Episode 207 w/ Math Hoffa

e F in English? And this is drink Chats, motherfucker. Yeah, y'all makes up. And when we started this show, we wanted to give off two pioneers. You wanted to give love to the legends. We wanted to give people that's been in this game ten years or more. And that's guys has proved their point and has stood there through the test of time. And when we talked about the brother that's here right now, he's one of my favorite battle rappers. I enjoyed two days in a row just

researching him, researching his battlefield. And not only that, not only are we sitting here because he's an artist. He's he's a battle rapper. But not only that, he is controlling the podcast right now. When you talk about battle rap, we shot at him out first and then Eminem had to come and shot him out after that. You know what I mean. But listen, let's just be clear. He was the first. But let me be clear. He's my friend. I've been speaking to him for years, been hanging out

for years. But I'm not I didn't shot him out because he's my friend. I didn't shot him out because he was a really didn't shot him out because he was hanging out for years. I shout at him out because he's dead. Seriously, has the best podcast out right now. When it comes to battle Rap. A lot of us can't sit around and just you know, absorb so much. But you can sit around and give him an hour,

give him two hours, and he'll let you. Don't let you know everything that's happening in the battle rap, everything that is happening in the culture, Everything is happening from people that you mess with, the people they don't mess with. In case you don't know what the funk, I'm talking to my math motherfucker. But make some money, silly, appreciate that. It's it's my heart throughout the years, like phone conversation and speaking to you, the knowledge that you share with you.

You know you you've been a real dude. But let's let's just that's just that's just boiler down, right, because your idea, I actually world is born three and a half years ago, murder Mook has stepped to me, and murder Moose said, yeah, I think he wants to do a podcast. And so I said to murder Move, the first dude who does a podcast about battle Wrap and keep sit about battle Wrap, it's gonna win. I had no, No,

I'm not. I'm not saying because your ideas affected better than I applied it like that and that's real ship, not gassing you up or nothing like that. But I knew to me and me as a person that I'm pretty much busy, right, A lot of people are busy like and battle Rap really conceals a lot of your time's like you get into it. So what made you say to yourself? You know what I'm gonna um, I'm gonna be the one to step up and cover our culture. Well,

this show is called My Expert opinion. And we live in an era where anybody who pick up a camera to a certain extent, and they got an opinion on whatever's going on, whether whether it's sports, whether it's hip hop, whatever, politics, whatever or they need is a camera. But a lot of the times their information is not accurate. They don't got no, no type of history behind what they're talking about. They don't they don't know the big picture. So I said, yo,

I'm Toddise talking about getting ship wrong. And I know it happens to like a out of other battle rappers, a lot of other rappers too, So I said, yo, I'm gonna make this show my expert opinion. So if you need to know something about battle Rapper or things going on around me or in this world, you get an expert to tell you what it is. You know what I mean? Now he goes a super duck o G shirt for you, baby. But um, but honestly, you just have voice. I got something, but you just have voice.

The five nine on right, And it was a part where I felt like voice. You asked voice, he said, would you would he be opposed to having Battle rappers sit with him for two or three months, like to shop at this Okay, now, no, no, you'll get it. I get it. It's like training. Yes, slap boxes is different for going in the real ring. So there's a lovely you can slap box and ship out of you like get him ready for a battle. You slap boxing the Long Island. It's different from slap boxing in Brooklyn.

Did you did what I'm saying? You might need to sit with a couple of Brooklyn dudes before you trying to slap back to somebody the little because and and let me, let me, let me um, let me try to reiterate what he's saying, is um when you battle rap, like we know voice have done, and we know he's battle rap before, but not on that stage like like

a joke. But when your battle rap, you have to have the most thickest skin in the fucking world because here you are, whether you could beat this person in a real fight or not, you have to take their abutse for that next three minutes, all for the next seven So you can literally sit that somebody you would

literally battle somebody that you beat up before. You literally just say before and just think you can still get you because he can say, like you know what I'm saying it's almost like a weakness and physically you can whoop his ass and then try to do it in the battle run right, you're not necessarily like and it's funny because I did battle those too, But it's just different from what it was before. So if you're thinking about, oh, eight miles, yeah I could do that, that might wrap

on a beat. No, it's not that this is more of a like sport. It's just how you move, it's how you perform. It's what you say is the Cadences' is so many things to it that we see, like artists try to come in battle in this in this new era, it's evolved completely different from what it was. Like Cassidy was once a god and Joe Buttons and Cassidy it's kind of both my boys, but they're kind of like the that that child that like when you look that up, like, yo, you gotta stay shocked. Smoke

you on the track. Ye, my boy that I used to manage the artists recognize don't remember recognized from him And then he tried to I think I forget what battle he just stepped into it again. It just wasn't the same. He got smoke. Yea, he wouldn't do it no more. He wouldn't were he wasn't doing it no more. He's a nasty MC, but he just he wasn't doing that anymore because it's different. Man. It's just you on that stage. You got to control everything, everything and that

that's a big part of it. And I'm glad you said. But I was trying to tell Okay, I was just trying to tell him it. Make sure we go back there. Let me let me make sure even okay, please, because let me put that you know I got then Okay, this is this is you and he's my brother's Okay, Um, that's not hollowing on that, Okay, Okay, cool, because I'm weird about what we was talking about. He was into this, the evolution of it. And Royce, all right, I knew

exactly what you meant when you said the world. But go back because look, you guys are talking like insider talking. Was listening exactly what happened with Royce. Can I say something and then you you tell me if I'm accurate

or not. Can you tell me what? Because I see your face you when you said the Broys, you said you look and Royce is like, and you know, as an m C supposed to be offended here he's like, what he's like, the last thing I need is help, And as an artist that knows how to rap, he's right. He doesn't need help. It's not that he needs help with no bars or anything like that. It's the it's

the stage presence, it's how you command. It's like I was watching I don't want to say this guy's name, but I was watching this guy today because I was, you know, doing my ship and all he was doing was going he were saying nothing, and I don't like, look turn them off and I turned him off and I put him on mute and me and my barb my was there and it had no effect to it. But once you did it, and that's like, that's a

that's that's a that's an art to it too. It's just yellings, you know what's funny, But just dropped the album, okay and them just drop the album. And the way he's rapping on the album, it's a battle rap format where he starts all calm. Yeah, he starts off calm, he builds a tempo and then by the end of the third verse or the second verse, he's bodying it.

He's just going crazy in a way. That's a battle rap format because it's one round, two round, and that last one, right, But just the verse of it, it's like, Okay, you start off calm or however you want to start, but eventually there's a tempo to it that has to pick up or the fans will be like, uh cool, you flip the coin. You always want to go first, or you want to you want to see what your

point is. It depends. It's a strategy to it. If you know it's some of my that's gonna bring up something about you, and you want to kind of like cancel out what he's saying. You want to go first so you can address it first. So when they say what they say, it's like, what we spoke about that one thing about you, bro, I ain't gonna lie re shuch you. And then I said, you know what, let mean we shure she's other niggers and I ain't gonna lie out of three hundred battles, watch three you know

what right now. But like I'm just saying that a whole bunch like it was three hundred, two hundred and eighty seven people brought up your name in their battle that would be like because math and then you a math and I'm like damn, like you're actually a metaphor, Like like what is how did you make your mark in the game history? It's the history of it. Like, um, when I started, I started in the street corners just like everybody else, lobbies, smoking people. Um. I remember I

saw Buckshot one day in my hut. So he used to mess my man keV oldhead on Union in Utica. So I'm a kid, like fourteen years old, ride up on him on my bike. I'm like, go Buckshot. He's like, what's up. I was like, Yo, who the hell is rapping Crown Heights. He's like, I don't know, shortiest man wrappers out here. I was like me nigger, and I wrote one for my bike. So I always had that like competitive ship and me. You know what I'm saying.

So I have battle dudes too. At the time, all tention ship but as as a battle, rap Ship changed where Smack introduced battles, no beat on the street, corner, murder, move j Mills, you know, just just move going in talking about this girl talking about Voto looked like he got hit by a t I mean he was going crazy on After that, ever, there was Fight Club. Fight Club took over battles for a while and was doing that was from Riggs was involved in some some capacity.

I don't I don't recall, but I don't. Everybody remembers International pomember him. So that took it to MTV and that kind of made it like quite a little bit. Matt was quiet at the time. He was mad at going to interview. No, I wasn't really the fight Club. Then the battles, No, not yet. Now, yeah, we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there. So boom so so I go to do the Fight Club a battle series

Jones for the first time, losst that battle tight. When Home came back, this is when the judges made it or the judges so came back started smoking dudes. After that, grind Time emerged. Grind Time was like the that's the one that Red went back and did the okay, right, So grand Time that came up, and like you know, everybody was flying to CALLI or coming to New York doing these battles. It was coming out of Miami sometimes Solomon Battle m Enes in Miami it was a big

deal on me and t Rex. When I battled on the Smack DVD, I was supposed to battle Rex when I battled Dose. Everybody remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that was in the Philly. I was in hallm that wasn't Hall. That was a pl Are not from he is from. He came down with Ciero. Okay, alright, cool, I'm thinking y'all went to Philly. Okay, n that I was supposed to battle t Rex. I got there. It was like, t Rex don't want a battle. Hold on for years, I've defended you, and I defended you behind

your backs. You appreciate it. He clearly was putting his head pause. I don't know does I don't want him to feel like I'm in front your face, but like after your head heard your flat TV explacation black, you know what I mean. I haven't been up there, me and him haven't spoken years. Put us okay, um, Like

I had to reiterate. I didn't want to go back there and watch that because I remember me agreeing with you, like not because you're my friend, but it was just like at the time, it was like give me my space, Like you know what I'm saying that y'all think it's a saying some hard ship about each other. The least you could do is not spit on each other and not put your hats on each other. Gave me the pipping. Okay, right, it was so you didn't know him prior to So I met him that day and I spoke to him

before the battle. I was like, yo, I saw what just happened, because they had a battle before that where in Philly. It was just the thing where they were just getting each other's face and that that looked crazy. So this dude was in his other dude's face so much he backed them down to the edge of the stage like Homeboy was by the stairs. Didn't make no sense to me. So me and my man is just standing on the side, like, no, we're not doing that. So I spoke to those I was like, this is

a good look smack or whatever. Um, we're not gonna do that started rapping. I wrapped, It was fine. He started rapping all of a sudden, crazy and he almost kept walking towards you. So that happened. Then the grand time thing emerged on me and t Rex was going back and forth as I called out t Rex that day when I said, um, I was supposed to battle t Rex, but he was scared. Now we're in hall on, everybody went crazy. I asked crazy talking, crazy Rex, ain't

battle me. I ended up battling. And does that ship happened? We talked the gymnasium. Um you saw people sliding across the floor types of crazy ship, and um, that's that's kind of where battle Rap kind of took a turn. You turned it, Yeah, a little bit. I played a partner. Now, now let's be clear, because I've seen like the blogs

after that where you was like you was apologetic. It was like, you know what, I probably still do it again if he violated, but I didn't want to bring that to battle that black smack the next day, like my full bro, what I mean? He was like no, saying I spoke the nick. I'm putting it out side right. So I'm like, oh, because because at this time, this is your first, like your first scrape in battle Rap.

That was the first scrape. It was like all right, cool people was like now to getting scared the book you or this didn't happen. No, there was no bookings. We was doing all this for free. Everything was happening for free. Every Smack Battle you sold t Rex on concert, all that was free, wasn't nobody getting pack? Did see Arsenals say something like that we was at when we was doing this ship for the barber shop free for nothing, thought, I thought that was exaggerated. No money, no money, It

was all about the love. Back then, there was a lot of respect. Everybody's mindset back then was I rap, but I don't got a hundred thousand and put into my project or my promotion. How can I get a name battle rap? Like if you remember back then, battle rappers was getting deals. Jim got a deal or a battle rapper. Battle Rapper started because so so that was the that was the thing, like, Yo, we're gonna fight club,

We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that. We're trying to get a music deal, but this is the way that we build our name up. So that happened. Um then grind after grindtime kind of started fading. Smack decided, Yo, um, I see you in t Rex going back and forth. We was going back and forth for like a year on World Star because Wretch was like, yo, I don't know why you called me out ain't nobody tell me you I'm supposed to battle you. Meanwhile, basically, no, he

told me you battle in t Rex. I show up. He tells t Rex, don't battle them. He clipped up, So clipped up, and you clipped up me. And I was ready for that. Basically on t Rex side, you're trying to say, I think so, because why would you tell me? Because it was like the Golden childs at the time. So I came through. I ended up battling dosed. That whole fight thing happened, and then that brought a lot of attention to the battles after that. Me and t Rex, back and forth, back and forth. I dropped

the blog, Um, yeah, he's got moll. I dropped the blog with t Rex on with like when you know them saved, saved the kids, African commercials. I put his his picture and then I dropped like a little song after this ship or whatever. Then he would come back and he'd be with his boys in the gambling spot and they'd be like, yo, math for w the mother. You say something fat we're running in your mouth, And I do a blog and be like, yo, I did what you. So we was going back and forth for

a minute. Finally somebody decided, I'm gonna paid for the us to happen, So Swag shout out to Swag from the West coast. He put up five thousand dollars for each of us to battle. And then Smack decided, I'm gonna start a whole battle league and it started from there, and that's when a lot of battle rappers started getting paid, started getting these checks and going to different areas and the smaller battle It's like five battle leagues in every

state in America. How about Drake right now, Drake just started. What did he did? He did the caffeine deal with Smack and I heard it didn't go too great. Um, yeah, it's that's not weird. Yeah, I mean he had one event and no one tuned in and no one, no, they tuned in, but the feed was messed up. It wasn't ready for how many people was gonna watch. So

then maybe you can't. The jury ain't out on that, but everybody got everybody got their theories because Drake is but he loves his battle like I saw him out head when the with Miami Heat won the championship. The second time I'm standing outside they closed the doors and mansion. We're trying to figure out how we're gonna get his side. Drake like this map let's go. No, no, somebody else sat me on the shoulder like what's up. He's like, Yo, you mad? I'm like, yeah, I see you're on the

way way brother, We love you. It took me around the block. We went to do the back way. I come up in the v I p. I'm like, oh, now lating overhead, Lebron, the whole team, everybody, Chris, Chris Bosh was on the other side for some reason. Everybody was here. Man, I'm just saying, this is just observation, just observation. So I get a tap on the shoulder. I turned around. It's Drake and drinks like, Yo, what's up? What you're doing here? Yo? You're going crazy this year?

You know you should battle Ka Sean like I'm like he was. He was like, Yo, what y'all do on that stage? Make what we do looks look like mom too? Right, I'm trying to make at that time okay, or because they're not more normal. When Drake said, what y'all doing that stage makes what we do look like child's play? I was like, what right with it like that. That's something you know comfort you know when battle rap, you know,

I'm all over the place. So but you know when battle Rap kind of made me say, like this might be a little bit iller than rap right now is when the tag teams. When when the tag team started going and they started making it one verse like like you know, usually would be one person and the next person go the next person. But when it was one ball from two different dudes and they were talking and

I can just look at that ship. I was like because I remember seeing k Shine battle DNA and then I remember them actually get on the same team, Like, yo, how is that? How how is you can battle somebody? And then like because because it's really not personal to a certain extent, we all want to be professional. Um if if nobody ain't never fight or nothing like that, Like why not if you're a team up and you can get a bag, why not? You know what I mean?

Like that, it's just like rap. Like nor if you decided to do an album with nads tomorrow, you know what I mean, you'll put together, you'll work together, and you'll make the money. That's the same thing the Battle Rap, the two and Twols though they two and two is crazy. They turned up I see the girl. It was one girl from Brooklyn and one girl from New Orleans. I

don't know their name. Jazz an official shout out the Jazz on the War Report Camouflage on I was just rooting great because I like I like le Say as a battle Rap fan, I missed so much. That's why your podcast is so important. It's because a lot of times I don't watch the contrary poplar belief. A lot of times I don't watch the games. A lot of times I was first taken out disputed. I want Sharon Shaw. I watched ski Balliss, I watched stephen A. Smith and

Max Kellerman. You know what I'm saying. And then I say, okay, because I only watched the first half of the game or the second half of the game. But now I know what happened to the second half of the game, and I'm fully informed. And that's what your podcast does. Make alloys for that, goddamnit. And I love that you had a female a part of it. What made you do that? What was that a part of it? At first? Cause I think I see a couple of episodes she wasn't right No, he's gonna sit here and act like

he can't tell me. Okay, keep going on the show, keeping the show, keep you need girls, And it was in my mind, but he was like, no, not keeping the show. What made you made you put it? Because the female rap, the female rap thing is big, Like it's big, but we all slept on it. I mean when I'm saying we are talking about the outside is not not you guys in this inside, but we all slept on like the w n b A. We all like the thing about it is like like like the

w n b A. They condunc though. I mean, these these females, they took a pulling off blocks like crazy. So so but what what what made you want to incorporate females as well? Um, I'm female battle rap queen of the ring. They've been around for a long time. They haven't gotten the same type of of steam is what we do because you know, there's a lot of controversy around what we do. It's all types of exposure going on. Just this past weekend, this dude came home

and this was his comeback battle. And dude he's battling, pulls out his paperwork like, nah, you're not a fish. You've snitched on your man crazy. It's crazy, right, But female battle rap, you know, just like hip hop, they kind of sleep on the females until there's that one that's like and then she opened the gate for everybody else. E Hart was kind of that one where it was like she could battle dudes too if she wanted to. But they're battling dudes now too. I've seen Charlie Cla

always battle dudes. Let me just say something because I just I respected females a little bit more because females they cut a little deeper when they go and they just each other. They the crazy crazy. Yeah, they cut deep. And when it started, right you go to a Queen of the ring events, it would be battle fight outside, battle fight outside, battle fight out, just battled fight outside. Some of the people just battle. Some people in the entourage,

other battle rap chicks. That's not battling that night, like it would be going down the whole night. I understaved the couple of these chicks lives, like yo, break it ups never been a problem for you when you battle because like again, you guys hit to the juggler, so you're not just battling, just Uh, you know, I'm just gonna use the painting. For example, you're not battling to paint, you're bound the painting around it. You know, bars about

their friends, everything, you know, every everything. It's get into what I was going at, what kind of studying it it is? When you when when you when you say you're gonna battle or dude, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you the process. Process cool. Look at the spaces. Cool? You got so happy? Don't get it cool? You you being in it for ten years. I got a history with a lot of people, so I've been around. I've

seen certain things. Actually something that at please keep keep your training though, even when you hanging with somebody that you're cool with, you're still keeping It's like to see everybody got a particularly you can drunk around me with your man. I swear to god, I think that's gonna put your too. He does it just collects data information, I swear today. But think about league. Push your tease. That's what I'm saying. Like everybody is just, but it's

deeper than that. The word played, the metaphors, the things that were doing said, the performance, jumping over each other, Yeah yeah, I've seen him like defend you in battles. But if you ever came down to it, you got boss for clips to know. We battle the whole the whole angle far battle was when when that situation happened in l A, when I went out there and I ended up fighting five dudes. He's with me, he said fight. Oh he said, he went out, He didn't fight. We battle.

I call him flip flops because he had on flip flops. He said, I had on slippers. Because that guy, I was like, what flip flops? So somebody trying to pop on your malls, you got on slippers. You ain't gonna do. Not be So the whole battle, that's that was the We got a lot of history and it's entertaining to see if especially if you start started with it from the beginning, can you understand some of the stories being

told on stage. It's still understandable for people that never watched it, but it's it's like it's like a soap opera for people who unfold. Like the battle between Me and Hollow. If you remember the n y B days when the Hollow was Me and Hollow was Cruel. We was friends and this then the third and then the fallout and then to see the battle. It's like, ah, this is crazy because I think they someone accused him

by hanging with somebody like that that you had problems with. Yeah, again, there was a lot of I went on a revenge tour. What about? What about? And I'm just asking you because you representing battle Rat. I'll be bringing this up the other day. This is one of the illiest rounds I saw it in a long time where the dude put on the dude's Walmart suit. Tea Top shouted to Tea Top shout at the room there he put on his Walmart suit. Now I thought this was like a uniform. Yeah,

it was a joke. It's kind of joke. So I ask and they said, no, homie really worked at Walmart at the time. And I'm saying, no, it's not fair, Like no, no, he wasn't working at that time, but he worked, but he worked in and Tea Top found out from that he worked at Walmart. He was like the gunbar king, Okay, I cool, and he thirt around.

He put on the Walmart Dude's coming out my hip like I was like, yo, he's like the red beam is from the checkout gun and even he said the type of taking the seat, like it's so much schemes, like when I seen I think it's it's k sean. He put on and he killed DNA with the DNA ship Professor, Professor, my homie, they took a ship. I didn't like that he attempted. He didn't. Actually, they're like no one time and they pulled them off the stage and it's like, yeah, they gotta stop that funny thing

they like just like spawn. During the tours Slow to Joint, he was supposed to light his cape on fire, but because of the issues I had with his people's in Calis, some of my people saw his man that was supposed to pass the light of fluid, he ran out the back door so he couldn't pass the life. It was crazy. Battle rap is just crazy. And when you say the incident with disaster, that's disaster and that was in that was in California. Okay, that's get This is your second fight.

This is the second incident. This is the third. Okay, we've got the second one wasn't actually the fifth, but on cameras right, that's no, damn, that's sex was just like the fourth cool. It was dose. There's some things happened in between the don't camera, it's not Google, it ain't suitable, and then the serious Jones battle happened. Serious Jones happened before disaster. Yes, I thought disaster was first. No Serious Jones called disaster and actually kind of egged

them all to make that happen. So it's crazy, all right, So so serious Jones. Okay, let's take because you had you said you met it earlier into Europe that you said you lost the first battle. Watch the first battle. So um, I lost the calico. Everybody kind of me out through a million, a million blogs, all math careers over. I went on such a run in I battled four top tiers in one month, which was unheard of until that time. Everybody was battling spaced out maybe five six months.

I started taking battles on every league, especially when was taking like six months. He takes like six years. How y'all gauging the winds though during the battles, I mean it's not so they aren't. They're really no judges. They have they all judge battles, but there's no judges, So you gotta beat somebody really bad, right, for their fans to be like, nah, he lost that because most of

the time sometimes they're even shot out to you. When when when when you're in the building and the fans are yelling three, it's so for me personally, I don't care about winning on camera. I care about winning in the building no matter where I go. So that's that. So I went on this crazy run. Well, I battled more times than any other battle battle Rapper had ever battled up until that point in one year, and Serious Jones was like the end of that summer madness. Three. Um,

I ain't a lot of Serious Jones. He had battle Jen. I think he's battle killed him. And then it was just one line he said, some ship. What you ain't you? You ain't over there billion people in China. You can't even God. I was in the building that night. He smoked. He smoked him. So what people don't know? He said, I did a lot of these battles for the bag so I could come out here to find my daughter, who's half Colombian. And I came out here. I was

out here for a long time doing that. That's another story. It'll be in a movie, right. So after not being able to find her not being able to communicate with her. Mom's to set up where I can see my see my daughter. I fly back to New York to battle serious Jones. I'm not in the right state of mind. I'm angry at life. At this point, I get on stage with this guy. He takes like fifteen minutes to get to the stage. He's like a pamp or something. He's dressing the paim. He had the whole body paint

on it. On the chicks. He brought up three chicks topless body paint. They were kind of nice. They were distracted. The crowd was nobody paying, nobody here, no rap. They were like, because you know it's a it's a battle rapper fan, and I'm sorry. They're are females. At these females, they're the females will read classes. It's not like going too you know, it's a toss upon the ratio. I got Capa and Cariga showed us a rough woman that him twice. But right, but it's usually more guys than girls.

So a bunch of guys standing up for hours see three topless women who walk out on stage. They ain't trying to hand wraps. So the Battle So series Jones Goes goes first. He raps for like eight minutes. The contracts say is supposed to be three. So I'm tired about that. I'm like, yo, you're not gonna tell him like Tom, you know Tom Tom calling Tom on him and nobody stopping him. Eventually he gets stopped. I set off my round. I said, you got on stage trying

to wrap that slick ship. I should cock back, take the top off like these three crackhead bitches. Everybody would remember that. So as I'm rapping, he's tapping these chicks like twerk bro. I'm looking at the crowd. They're all like. Nobody's saying no more at this point. And then he was heckling me during during the round, saying stuff and all that, and I don't like that. I don't I don't talk during during people's raps unless I really don't like you. And I just went I lost it for

a second and we had a fight on stage. It is what it is now. It's rumors that you guys were going to actually do all a one round battle rap in one round boxing. Actually it was supposed to be Me and Disaster. It did the boxing match, but we had some complications. The people that were trying to book it wanted us to go pro so that we wouldn't have to wear head gear and we could really get crazy. That's throw up in the air. If anybody

wants to put up check for that. Yeah, but but pay per view wise, that would probably do a good million as far as battle rap because you wor out, we did. We battled again. And the funny thing is, after the series Jones Battle, I came out here and I saw my daughter after not seeing her for nine years. That now, y'all, I love you. You're not gonna watch this though, but you know your mom's sick, you know what I mean. So we we did the battle again.

The crowd is just standing there like when you're gonna fight. We just we just want to see the fight. We didn't fight. At the end of the battle, we shook hands, we went outside, we did a blog laugh with each other, and that got the most views out of everything around that situation. They were just happy to see, Okay, these guys are cool again. Yeah, And obviously, like as a man, you have to apologize because of course, yeah, of course, because it really didn't have that much to do with him.

It was just what I was at. I remember, I think you said he was hungry or some ship like. I did that to mess with him, because because he did a blog saying, you know, I looked over way and did a dog he sucker, and I saw that. I was like, word cool, make a joke out of this whole ship. I went to lad. I was like, y'all, I was starving random McDonald's right after. I was. I was just messing with him. Battle rap. It's so like you can get lost in the world. That's why I

appreciate what you say about yo. Just watch the show and you because it's really a lot to take him. It's really a lot. It helps me. It helps me because as a person um like, like I said to me, I want to I want to say this real rap. That's where it comes from. It comes from that. It comes from me saying I'm better than you, and I'm go anna prove it right now the streets, right now. And if you're a real artist, you actually had to.

You had to have a battle somehow somewhere. I'm sure it's just like how many battles have you seen in the studio exactly just from entourages somebody that man nice. The first time I met dmx um I said that on the podcast, someone kicked his dog and the dog told him listen, this design the n speaks speaks animal. He speaks animals, speaks full people. This dog came into somebody else someone, but you meant the dog the dog listen. A dog came in the room studios, young around like

the job from Niles. Na's brother was like, just get out of here and kick the door to dog like this and look and the dog dm as the first time I met DMX, he walked into the door and said, nigga don't like dogs and song and I was mazed. I was like, wait a minute, he say, And I'm like, this is before d MS, before l L I swear to guards the first time I met and then he came in and then the beach was gone. He's like, oh, niggas Ryan, He's like okay, he just he didn't ask

to rhyme. He just st was like he's like, he's like my dog is good. It's like yeah, like holy ship, and I'm run and then Moose and made start mumming before we know what we just it's just like you said, we didn't playing that ship. It was no motherfucking thing. But that's true, DMX to speak the dogs for real, that's what I seen it. That's my first time time I've seen it. But the first time you met m that's the first time I met you. You remember the

first time we met? Damn, I don't remember. Get high lot, let's go, let go. We were mad and how did this happenes? Okay, so bees okay in New York City, New York City. I'm standing on the corner. You come walking up. We got a bogie. I smell a bogy. I smell a bogus got that you should love. I was like, yo, yo, annoying my name, man, I know who you is? Like points, I didn't some but I kid you not mad growth that you have done. The thing about it is you've done exactly what we've done.

We sat around and we said, it's great media coverage of our culture. But there isn't. There isn't our coach are covering our culture. It's not. And I ain't gonna lie to you like I said. I I thought I told him to move through it. Then, when I've seen this podcast with no disrespect to when I seen that he didn't have every element of battle rap. It couldn't keep me indulged. He had because he was king of that. Like the thing is, you got to remain king of

what you can at. Here's the funny thing when he battled a verb. One of the lines that hit the hardest was a verb told him you're not one of us who you had on your podcast, not one of us, and everybody went crazy. It worked against but then he came on my show and then he came back for two weeks, so it's good. It's good, that's good. No, no, no, no,

not um was definitely top ten. I felt like he was like, uh, Floyd Maywell at one point, and it was he the first person to like to make sure like the bag got up like you know once or something like that. He was He's been at everybody asked for. You never know what somebody's getting though, because I hear people in their battles saying I got fifteen thousand, but

I know otherwise you know what I'm saying. But for moo Mood said he was sitting with m Q Tip and Q Tip was like, Yo, why you want to come over here and be just a regular with this when you're the king overhead and he said that's when that's when it kind of hit him, like I'm the king. Okay, give me twenty thousands, give me thirty thousand, give me. So when whenever movie touches touches the stage, it's big money, everybody pays attention. I agree with Q Tip. I think

that I think that most of you guys, um. And when I say most of you guys, you know a lot of us, not just you guys. A lot of us think the grass is greener somewhere else. Like the thing is, like a lot of us would dominate hip hop and then go try to like make movies and be like, yo, you know what, sometimes you just stay with hip hops, you know what I'm saying. A lot of us and a lot of us are kings in our own right and just always thinks the grass is

green or somewhere else, you know what I'm saying. And the ice is not colder anywhere else neither. Not only the grass ain't green or the ice ain't colder, but but for for the people on the outside, we're usually thinking your grass is green. Joe Bunts came on the show and he said, I didn't touch a million dollars ntill I stopped wrapping. Wow. And I was like throughout that whole time, Wow, that's crazy. Joe Budds was terrible at battle rapping. I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

He didn't have the cadens, he had the lyrics, he didn't have the cadence. No, it's this performance to think about it as a stage presence. Like the thing is, Joe was such a cocky guy. It's exactly what battle rap exist, the cockiness. But he was not cocky on

that stage. He was telling people to chill out, and he was him being confident as a battle rapper on records like the let me just let me tell you something at rapper US say a half ass bar and then the crowd go crazy and the brownle rapper go let me cook, and that is just it's like he's cooking, And when Joe was like, this is my man again, Joe was my friend. But when he was like quiet down to cooking the kitten and say, yo, you know,

I'm sorry. You can't really kill a battle rapper hole in a mic like a cigarette anyway, right, And that was that was where he lost for when you picked up that mike and you're not you're not doing what we did. And remember he put it down and up with that Mike TSS shirt hands free. Let's get it popping. When he picked up that mic, A lot of uses ain't not but good for him because he's got a great profession after that, goddamn you, that's what I mean.

Let's have a battle again, though, my man, don't you have a battle again? It's some gucci. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he never did like you differently different, he liver different s. Pick him up. I'm proud of him, and don't ever get back in the battle rapping. That's it. You're my friend. He's a true MC. But the thing about it that's back to me and maths point. I think Royce's a true MC. I think Royce could actually survive, but I think that he does need the guidance of these people.

Like it's a different thing altogether involved into its league. You're not living and breathing that. You can't just jump into that because you can't just be nice on the mic and then almost play battle. I give you. I'll give you a perfect example. Kress One is one of the illest battle wrappers in the world. I would not bet my money on care just want to get I'll be alone. I don't know. I feel like he got. I don't think he could jump got man love. I

feel like a second to get ready for it. I think he couldn't you know anytime, but anytime somebody touched the chest and should get smoke. I love him. I just I would like to see he had a problem with man, I would see that. I'm not saying him to jump right into it. I feel like if you prepped him, you said, look, that's what I'm saying six months from now, this is what you're gonna do. That's what I'm saying. I feel like he could, he would get. He would he would take that so serious that he

would be ready. And you know what, in reality, Royce might be able to sit down and figure it out on his own. Bat we don't even do that. There's always somebody that you trust that you're gonna perform with that you're gonna spit your bars too. They're gonna be a proof reader. They're gonna be the ones like yo, when you say that you should turn this way, or you should say that, there's always somebody there because you

can't really rely on yourself. You're you're relying on your perspective to agree with two people in building agree, you know what I'm saying. So there wasn't no disrespect to Royce when I know that, But you know what that was. He's supposed to as a real m C you're supposed to. But then uh, as a person that loves battle rap, you have to go back and look at battle rap and say, you know what, I might not possess that

part of it. You know, I think I come up with lyrics, I come up with balls, but I ain't allow to you. I don't think I have what it possessed to really hurt your feelings, like in your face, Like, I don't know if anything I have that. That's why I could never be a real battle rapper. I could battle, but I couldn't be a real battle rapper because it's like ya like y'all nas me talking about Nigga's moms, Like it's not just moms we talked about. It's a

delivery of It depends on what your moral compasses. Me. I'm not gonna talk about your dead homies because I don't want you to talk about mind it might go left right, don't talk about my family. Um. I had a battle with someone who who who said my son's name almost stopped the battle. I walked away for a second, took a breather, and I came back and I said cool. After the battle was done, I was like, Yo, take my son's name out this footage, and it was like cool.

We respected. So for some people, you it depends on your moral compass. You're a snitch man. I'm having field day with you. You you did some grammy ship to your man or beat women or whatever. I might have a field day with you. But you know what we started off. We started off going through the process. So I get a call one day, Yo, what's this? This is Beasley or this is a RP or this is organic. I want you to battle this guy. I'm like, okay,

what's the bag? Okay, it's such a such a sun all right, cool, hang up the phone, think about it. What do I know about this dude? Is he hot enough? Alright? Cool? Alright? Cool, I'm signing a contract sending it back because it's like boxing. You know what you're getting. They know prize pot, you're not your contracts that he used to know, how does this happen? They what's yeah? Right? So it's like boxing. You know what you're getting paid, You know what I mean?

You come up with your own stipulations. If I don't want you to talk about a certain thing, I'll either call a battle of or I have it put in a contract. If I want you to touch me, I have it put in a contract. Doesn't guarantee it's not gonna happen, but you know what's in a contract. So the head button in box is not in the contract, but prevented, right, Like I'm sure Cassidy and Arsenal there was no touching. But you saw awesome grab a castle like that, you know what I mean? Alright, so cool.

Once that flyer goes up that this battle is is happening, whoever doesn't like this person, it's gonna reach out to you. Family members that feel slighted, it's gonna reach out to you. Baby mother's that can't stand a motherfucker, is gonna reach out to you. People he snitched on. Is gonna reach out to you. People they did bad business with. It's gonna reach out to you. Information. You have to sort through it because sometimes it could be a set like a k Sean and DNA battle a Verb and hit Man.

A Verb has a video where he's getting chased in a parking lot by somebody, but he had a he had a cast on his arm, on his leg, something was broken, so he wasn't trying to fight. He was trying to get away from the person. Somebody hit up Kaseean and said, Yo, I'm the person that chased him. Bring me to the battle. K Sean brings this guy to the battle. He introduces him. The dude laughs and walks over the AVERB side and they all laugh at Kaseean.

Oh definitely ain't see that. So that DNA had the freestyle. Like Kaseean tried to tell you, I didn't believe that book from Dave one. You know this is crazy, well, but we don't know if your off shows about celebrating people's lives and you know what you are life. We need to celebrate you are doing amazing things. We respect you and we're gonna keep saluting you. Salt. This is when the Starsky ain't hides you had lamar old him taking some shots a statement man. Lamar old him has

been a ball in battle rap many times. He has been involved. He said, Yeah. The bad thing about battle rap sometimes we cross the line. Yes, it does sometimes all the time, across the line, like um, people that die, like the young lady that that that died in Chicago in the freezer. She was used in the bar and that drove people in Chicago wow to the battle Rap. I had to do a video apologizing to everybody, like I'm sorry, you know I didn't. Sometimes we get too

thirsty for a ball. You're not like Jesse. I mean, it's like the comedy world where sometimes you know, sometimes sometimes the joke is too soon or it just shouldn't be made, like rest Peace, Rest in peace, Kobe Bryant, Yeah, that's not a ball. I had to put the tweet out. I was like, I don't want to hear no Kobe the chopper down and the Chopper this. I don't want to hear none of those bars ever. Leave that alone.

And everybody kind of retweeted and agreed. But I'm sure there's gonna be somebody who's gonna say a Kobe ball. That's the that's the little issue with anytime you ever felt like you went too far and you looked at your ship, and I was like damn me see too far or nah, they deserved that ship. Whoever was they deserved that ship. I say, um, if if I ever went too far, it was the battles that turned into fights that was too far, so serious Jones. Um, those

those guys here exact. It was like the first time, like I felt like I felt like he was trying the math hot for you. Yeah, is that accurate? It's accurate. But then when his people's got involved, it was in a math situation no more. Because he's from Toronto, correct, he's from Cali. He's from Cali. Oh, I've got to see. He's a Lebanese battle rapper from California and he hangs out with grape street crips. But shout out to them. They recently reached out to me where some things out.

But yeah, that situation was crazy. So so what was it? This is on his territory. It is on his territory, and he kind of baited me for it. He did a lot of blogs saying bath that when it come to the West Coast, I'm from Brooklyn exactly, I'm going you know what I mean. I went out there, Um third round, I really touched his soul. Because when we did the Total Slaughter battles, that's when all they put a whole bunch of battle rappers is in the house kind of kind of trying to make it a reality

type thing in a competition. While we were in that house, I remember Disaster sitting there and saying, sometimes he feels like he wants to commit suicide. And a lot of us were like, bro, your Disaster really lived in the house. I was the only due with my own room. Everybody else was ever so so so this, you know, he was in a distraught situation in his life where he felt like he wasn't making the fame, wasn't adding up to his bank account. His fame was way higher than

when the money he was making. He was really depressed about it, and he kind of opened up to us and he was like, yo, I'll be feeling like I want to kill myself. And I was like, damn, bro, like go book some more battles, do something. So when we battled, I brought that up. Wow, and that third round you could if you look at his face during that third round and hurt him. I brought up him borrowing socks from Big Team. I brought up an old bunch of ship, and I was like, you know, it's

a ship. They might have been used. There was somebody, el somebody. You're in a bad state when you got somebody, you know what I mean. But you're not in jail. But when I brought that up, I felt like that that hurt him a lot. In jail, it's okay, you brought somebody's socks and jail. It was like, fucking, I ain't got no just if you're not in jail, it's not you. Jesus, what it's going on? Continue continue my batter's as. So when I brought that up, I felt

like it really really hurt him. So for his third round, he was flusted. He couldn't really get his room together, and he was like, oh, I just put you in the face right now. I'm like, do it. Shouldn't have said that. You shouldn't have said that. I was not a good idea. So he popped off. I was like, okay, alright, cool said he jumped in. He didn't. He never jumped in Brown, No, he didn't. He grabbed my arm at a pivotal point. Well, I was about to delete the

death blow down he grabbed myself. I was like what are you doing, Tarlie? You know, I mean, so I'm fighting him his whole entourage and ship and you know she just got crazy. But but that's the show. Like a battle rap They want to call it a sport, but like every other sport, sometimes on the court, emotions get involved. Shi happens. Somebody's gonna whish him, Titty's out and they're gonna jump in the court. The cat run through the faild, you know what I mean, gone, and

things happened. So um, Nick Cannon put four battle rappers on the record. How did you feel about that? But you have accepted that call. If Nick Cannon called you and said I got you on Wild and Out next season, you know what's funny. You know what's funny. No, remember that time I came to the studio and I laid the hook for the Good Bell Game that that that project, and I was hanging out. Who was in the studio

with us? Benzino can't remember that. Benzino met me years ago in Brooklyn and I spit I spit a rhyme to him. He was like, Yo, you're dope. Come to the studio tomorrow. Came to the studio, met up with him. He was thinking about putting me down with the crew. This is when he was on Eminem's This is before this, before the right so boom. A month later, I get a call your math come through, yo, Yo, you're a lyrical moster. I want you to take this dude out.

I'm like, who and then them he was just hit like. I was like, I was, let me think about this before. I was like, I could buy past the shiny suits. I wanted to right now because the shiny suits was how you made it at that particular, you know what I mean? Seeing that with ya ya was doing your things on the army. So he was hurting. It wasn't a good sign. It wasn't a good sign to be a man. You us go sign. He's white and he's supped to skip past the side. I haven't see where.

You just made everybody feel like you want to win doing this shiny suit. That's what it was. So I was like I could astrono because they Missy came and he was astrono. I was like, damn, he's just what it was, bro my bad. So I was like I could bypass that all right. I smoked Eminem right now, sat down, I wrote like fifty boss going at Marshall, going hard. Hangman three made the beat. I show up to the studio ready, I had the Tiger. Bencino was like, YO,

listen to my comeback. I said, yeah, come on. He played to Die Another Day Debbie Joint. I was like, right, I hate it. Wasn't you know what I mean? It wasn't that crazy. But I was like, damn, you got his mom's on that, and that's crazy. He was like, yo, listen to the joint other man mane. I was like all right. He was like, yo, I got this group called No Dopes this in the midst Like what. I'm like, Yo, sorry,

what are you doing? What you do? I'm gonna make a whole mix tape of people dissing him and drop it with the next issue with his source. I looked at my manager, I looked at my other man. I was like, yeah, I don't. I don't want to be a part of this. He was like, yo, how you expecting alone? How you expect people to treat you like team if you don't act like it. I was like, no, I'm not buying that. I'm cool. I left that alone, left it alone, and then he did it and I

saw what happened how I played out. Thank you God for giving me the wisdom not to do that ship. Thank you. But um but yeah, that that was wild. That was super wild. Yeah. I understand a big Benzino man, but that battle RAPHI is a different thing because because um, I also watched Words the five nine and he said that he had a love for actual artists or T Greezy m and then T Greasy when it made a record eminem and it put put a line in the sand, like you know what I mean, like like them? Yeah

is that? Um? I know, like I said, I know, I'm bouncing around. Is it like that in battle rap where you like you could sit around and say, you know what, I like this a certain kid or like this certain guy, but they're getting the battle and they

like math like two plus two week. Yeah, sometimes math like because because you are named that people want to say and it's a bar like you know what I mean if they mess up in mathematics, cool, okay, but he'd be using you for he dissed me before get out of here, and I'm like, dam I was just Charlie. He just in the weekyd I was hanging out I'm

trying to know. He dissed me around like maybe he was hanging out this is around some MANNAE three around the series Jones battle and he just he just took the shot, and I was like, what did you say, fling? It was like something I could solve this problem. I

give math thematics. So it was like I thought it was cool to see sometimes, but sometimes, um, we'll be cool and we're just selling the fight, but there's always that unknown factor where Okay, we're selling the fight, but on the day of the fight, what are you showing up with? Who did you talk to? How are you how far are you taking this? You know what I mean? Like, um, the battle between me and Hollow when we did the face off, he was saying a whole bunch of ships that.

I was like, Hollo, when the fun did that happen? Like, No, I gave you, I gave you two ounces back in the days and you ain't give it back. I was like, what what are you talking about? Bro? Like this never happened? So who was who was the mediator of your face off? Um? I can't remember a name, but it was it was a check. It was It's never the it was it was it was It was said the mediator, like, you know,

like the person that's like like a referee type. So when we battle, he used that for a bar, and why being the first time you funked up the pack, and I was like, that's why you said that. That's just what I'm trying to say. That's I'm trying to say. Isn't these bars really trying to hurt you? Or is it trying to catch you off guard or both? Like it's like like like like right now, you're still like you still like something. You just say that it's those

bars meant to be true. Because the thing about it, if I can say ninety percent of it being true, but that timber cent that the punch line not being how much of it is wrestling? Yeah, I mean you don't know, you don't wrestling. Let me put it this way. Okay, Arsenal battle Tea Top. Arsenal pulls out footage top that's the big Boy yea the Walmart. Okay, Okay, he pulls out footage of tea tops Baby Moms. It's not topping

off another battle wrapper. That's not fair. That's definitely not wrestling right there, right there's kind of like how work You're doing this on stage and this is so, this is not I can't confirm or deny anything TA confirm with now? And then Tea Top brings up what happened to your man? They used to be at all the battles. Oh he's snitched. Now you don't want to be seen in public with them. So it's like you never know, but these two guys hanging around each other, do you

think they're coolest ship? Like, okay, it's a cool battle. Rap come off, the gloves come off, because you never you never know what to expect because like with t Top and um, I mean, that's that's the Walmart dude. You said, right, that's the dude that that put on the Walmart. Even that battle, I would be honest. I could tell they had friendship. I can tell they were friends, like they were like in between like smacking each other

fives and like that. That was like the first time Rum had no idea he was about to pull out the Walmall. It's like being in the c I A you know what I mean? Like like me and Tea Top, we was cool. Get up on stage. He brought up taxed on them, and I'm like, what are you doing right for God? Yeah, And we had a conversation about that too. You you played a part in a lot of it. A lot of this stuff that's going on a lot that's real. Ship that's crazy, that's crazy, that's see.

See this is this is the you said. I see you says, what's this? C I. It's like something. Let me just tell you something. If you ever noticed anything that's crazy about the government, they always say cee I. They don't blame it on the FBI. You know who the FBI is. You know who the d A is. So anytime anything funked up happening to the government, they say c I. And that's what it is. You remember what you told me about that Taxton situation. Relax. I

told you just to relax. I definitely did. Here's the funny thing. The night that Detroit a ship happened, I'm me and five mics. It's opening up for t I. He'd being around tr being the show and all like he got tear drops in all okay, and I said I had a battle coming up. So I was like, yeah, I'm a fall back. I get with you later, bro. I didn't go, but Troy goes through him. He brings banging.

Banging was supposed to be going to a yacht party, old white, white party, remember that, And you know, whatever happened happened. And Banger's girlfriend is my baby mom's best friend. So I'm sitting in the crib trying to put together these bars, and I walk into the next room. My baby mom is on the phone crying, and I'm like, what happened, Yo? This shot Banger. We gotta go. We gotta go to the city right now. I'll go to the city. I get there and I find out everything

that happened, and I'm like, wow, this is crazy. You know what the shame is about it? All man? And I pologized for changing the subject a little bit, but still staying on the subject. The thing about it is that is our first actual online crime. And what I mean by that is it all the rock the rock from a tweet. And I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna be one million percent honest, and Mr Lee, can you pull another shot. I'll be one million percent honest.

I really didn't believe either side. I really didn't believe it would go there because of with it derived from derived from a tweet and I just recollected fab and ray J's tweets, so that's what I compared it to. I was like, this is gonna end up the same way because for having ray J kind of like work their thing out. You know, it was not the same. It was not the same. So um again, you know

to think the thing that really hits me. Before I started this podcast, I had a dream about Tax and the dream it was like a warning, like you're from Brooklyn. He from Brooklyn. This is a certain stigma that comes along with us if you if you outside like that right where you're not gonna take no ship, You're ready for whatever. The dream was kind of telling me, don't

make the same mistake. Don't get so involved in in what you're doing to the point where you're gonna insult somebody and then have to protect yourself or have to be someplace a certain way. You think what I'm saying, and I feel like that's what happened. Tax had a very strong voice. He could have never beat with nobody

and probably still been successful. Yeah, but you know what the thing about was what was when I called you was the same reason why sometimes I called fat Joe and fat Joe if he had a problem fat jobs. Just dude, I'm pussy. I'm like your fat Joe. No one in the world that's gonna believe you're pussy. Like just let that guy say you're pussy. And it was pretty much the same ship I had to tell you were just like math, like you're document not being posted,

and just leave that alone. Just leave it, just leave it alone, because sometimes you gotta be the bigger man even when you don't. But that's what makes you be the bigger man, even when you won't. God bless, God bless stop less them, and God bless everything that God, God, rest of peace, banger. But you know what, Matthew was designed and you was meant for a different cause. And

that's why we're here right now. We're here to represent because your transition has been so prolific and it's been expiring. Like like I said, like I literally, like I said, I literally told Murder move your show, but not as good as you applied it, like with the barbershop actor, like I told you I got on the fall said everything about your ship is exactly what I want to want, Like I wanted to be an everyday format because you know I'm Puerto Rican. Tomorrow my hair's gonna need to

be cut again. So I'm gonna go back to the bottle shown be my boss. Right there. Look at that he got. He's the craziest nigger. My bar was the craziest nigger he got. He got so And I'm telling you like like like what you're doing and how you're applying it and how you're breaking it down. He's like when you go back to when you have Rappers on there, you have Muke on there, you have Joe Budge, and you go back to certain battles and you do that.

It's something some of the most remarkable shifted I've ever seen, because the thing is the same way we do with drink champs. Is like when I asked, now, how did you make world is yours? And how did you make the same exact thing when you're asking the person, how do you make that? Because these battles stand the test of time. Now, what what is your favorite battle you ever had to date? Today? The Hollow battle? Your battle once? Yea,

we battle once. But when I say ninety nine point nine nine percent of people thought that Hollow was gonna drag him somehow, and This is after Holow beat Loaded Luxcause who did this is way after that, because that's what Hollow was the man like after the battle battle Tape Rock and then I believe I'm I was the next battle. But because I remember this one, Hollow was the man like load of Lux. Was that nigger like

load of luck. He was Malcolm X kicking boss. I felt like he had suits on that ship like that, and then Hollow like beating him and then everybody want Hollow, But then everyone called Hollow a drug addict. But that's my friend. How was my friend too? You know what's funny? We got a YouTube friend, um Madic. You told me he was in the crib. Felt like my shot was big, pause was deeper in both of y'alls, right, it was a little heavier. What what's the your favorite battle? You're

not involved in favorite? I'm not involved this question to this day, I gotta give it up to the classic Loaded luxe in CALIcon. That was just the battle that the whole world was watching, you know what I mean? Like I had a great third round with t Rex that was like, oh, six million views in two days. Cool, But that Loaded Lux shit became like the Bible to a lot of people. It became like you would say, little Lux and murdered much Nah na na with which one?

The second one? The second one? When it was all the hype, Lux got smoked. Yeah I thought that. I'm sorry he got thirty. Yeah, we forgot that espression thirty. I don't know what he got he got thirty, Okay, Well, I don't know who wanted to coin to us, but if you if you want a coin to us on that, then yeah, he got foul battle in Solomon, right, I

felt like Much hit him with some ship. He name dropped me in that too, like, yeah, I'm outside of looking at But when he broke up his bitches and saying the problems that Iron Solomon was having with his bitches, you mean the one ball, Yeah, that was crazy. He said he had one ball. He revealed that he had one ball. Okay, he hits self revealed that. Y'all sitting there like that's normal. Ship, that's not the motherfucker has one ball. I'm talking about one ball. He has one.

That's that's gross. That's brother, you know what's funny. I didn't know how serious that was until I got Solomon on the show. I asked him about it, and his response was not or that's some bullshit. It was more like, yeah, it's funny how things get out there. He really got one ball. See about twelve minutes we had him all right, But I also so on that part where he said he's like he didn't defendively say you know, that was a bad rap ship like he supposed immediately she's supposed

to just clear the slate, clean it like talking. He didn't say it. So it's like, damn, I'm sitting there now for the rest of the end. You like this they got one bay? Yeah? Yo, what are y'all? What I know? I asked this earlier with the private investigator. But how do like Jesus like, who the fund is gonna come and tell you? Listen, I sucked his one ball, Like because he's the only one way to know you got one ball had to be down there like somehow meta female who d him and let him know. Yeah,

but how does he even confirm that information? That's a good caution, that's a good question. But but but but as a testament to like what battle rap is? No balls? Um Solomon coming back, Charlie Clips tried to do the same thing didn't work. They tried to talk about the one ball ball it didn't work. It didn't work. But like battle Rap, you leave it. You're supposed to leave it all on the stage, and that's what we do. We walk out there and it's like, you're gonna say

what you're gonna say. I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. In my imagination for the past two months, I've been imagining you seeing the worst ship in the world to me, and I just thought up, what can beat that? So let's go. There's a battle rap, right, Um, I see one dude like he battled Charlie Clips and all he was talking about was ice cream and cake. He kept calling Clips the fat nigger. He just came saying the ice cream, that's that's and then he was like all

this crazy ship like that's like what the fuck? Wait wait wait wait wait. We kind of got away from something. Okay, I don't want to get away Nick Cannon situation, them and them to No, he didn't. He didn't, and if he did, I would I would have declined all this decline. But from a battle Rap standpoint, me and Moot Mood came on that on an episode around the time that that that ship dropped, and I think, hitman holler yo,

hit man holllight me man. You know we were cool, bro like, we were just you know, we was just joking bro like yeah, but we went on for that. We was like, that's a misrepresentation of what we do. That record was not no, no, not not for him, but like we are the battle Rappers the same way that Benzino kind of introduced it to me, like Yo, you're a lyrical killer. Come kill this guy, and I

wrote fifty bars. That's what this situation should have been. Now, Eminem loves battle rap just the fact that he was he must have heard that record, like what the funk? Like I watched you guys like this is when you come up with and then we were disappointed to so at some point during the show, I ended up like talking into the trash game to to him, like y'all, that's that's saying it. It got crazy, But we wasn't

feeling that. We wasn't feeling that wasn't feeling that neither, because we felt like, I mean, Nick, at the end of the day, the only thing that Nick is my man. I really I really like Nick, say to but the only thing it's taking the person who as you right, Like, I don't think Eminem is taking a personal And I didn't like the fact that my pigs rotting for your baby moms. M do you feel what I'm saying. That's like they're not rotting for like okay, let's let's let's

get them. The whole reason is behind something he probably said about your baby bombs. That's very true. So like, no, I wasn't feeling that. I wasn't feeling that at all with baby moms is my pride carry And I agreed with you As far as the vest, he should not win a vest. He should not win a vest. No, no, no, one's not that serious. No one really wants to be brow way. That was wonderful. I love that ship. Now what's what's what's Let's just just fini us up the

tiger up. But I'll do some wounding away and ship all right? Cool? Um, So, what what is the criticism you have received of doing the podcast? Um? Recently I did an interview with t Rex. T Rex revealed that UM I did a battle in Vegas on smack. He revealed that the guys from Cali I had a beat beef with Beasley. Knew a month ahead and that they was gonna beat it, and he said nothing to me. Wow. So when I heard this on the show, it's like, it's like somebody sitting across from you and saying, yeah,

rest in peace. Probably you said this about you in the book, and you'll find it out for the first time when a camera's on you. And who's telling this to you again because t Rex he has an association with those people. So I found this out on the show, on your show, and I kinda got emotional for a second, and I lashed out about the situation that me and Beasley had and I edited. I edited out the footage because I don't want to be messy. The biggest backlash was why did you edit it? Why did you not

say how you felt? I don't, I don't think. I don't know if you guys ever had a show with you said something you felt like, you know what, I probably shouldn't have said that. A couple take that out. I've left, but I had a couple. You left it. You left it. You know why I left it. Math. Please remember everything you're saying. Please, because I don't want me to feel like I'm cutting it off. But the thing is, it would be unfair to Floyd Mayweather, it

would be unfair to Little Way if I addit it. Now. If it's something irresponsible, something talking about the person's child children or something like that, or something where I just outright I just did something wrong or the situation was wrong,

then I feel responsible to edit that. But if it's just bullshit and then we're just talking the thing about it, if it was something that can hurt somebody, all right, then and I knew what would being interpreted in a certain but what you should do is you should reiterate it in a hard manner because you know why you probably said it, and and you know in the rage. So that's why sometimes if a person would hit me with the same thing, I act like they don't bother me.

But I'll take two or three days or four days or maybe even five podcasts to actually to actually you know, um, I'll say something just like Tyler to create, I'm sorry, Um, Tyler to create a six months ago offended me. What are you doing? He just acted like a dick and no, no, nothing that he can't come on the show. He'd never come on the show and he's not invited. Um, but you know in retro respect because I don't have no

beet for them and I don't have nothing. And he went on his Instagram said he didn't have no bet for me. But he also said the only records he ever heard is from me. And for real, I don't know. There was a shot too. You know what I'm saying. He's like, you didn't hear the worry for I wanted to go in so bad, but you don't understand it. But hold on, hold on. Yeah, that's what he said. He said that, okay my shot gun ask okay ship

all right? Oh we get more shots? Yeah? Yeah, we could just do a little bit more, a little bit of tiger at each one, and it was a little bit of bombay. Let's do the bombay, but let me finish, right, So goddamn, I'm looking good, looking good? So what was I saying? So what I'm trying to say is when Tyler offended me. What it was was, Um, I said it on the same podcast. I shouted you out on Adam twenty two. Okay, no jumper, so um shout out to Adam when I've seen it, Tyler, I just you know,

I just naturally wanted to um. You know, I was like, yo, let me take a flick. Yeah, like dick whatever whatever up, moving on, moving on. But it was was I when I actually broke up the actually offensive Oh you're thinking Columbian White. It was six months later, so most people would say that was six months like why would you

even do that? And what I was saying was I was bringing up a thing of why I don't extend my hand to new artists sometimes sometimes when I extend my hand to new artist like I don't know, no, no on their behalf, sometimes on their behalf. The thing about it is I want to run artists development. I really want to help, Like yo, Math, you know how many times I called you and say, don't do that, man, But I don't get none of that. You know what I get out of that is this, It's just me

us being real, real people with each other. I say real niggas, but niggas real people with each other. And

I want to spread that. So sometimes when I see a young artist and I say to him, your homie for the room, and they look at me like and that's the That's the reason why I knew I had to keep getting money, because because I realized if I wasn't getting as much money as this little motherfucker's, they won't even look like what like I had to go up into may Back too, I had what they driving into. That's what it is. They won't even listen to me. But no, I don't want to tell you something. Yes, please,

let's say the shop after the shot? Know when and a R E dropped. These niggas don't know that. Man, Let's do this is bomb, this is bumbo. How to pronounce little Wayne ship crime level in in everybody else's life, but in my life saw a little man my girl. No, that's a world of difference, right, different shots whenever, Yo, you know Nori typing, nigga state real truck, I ain't detected fighting. Nigga plays you up with the funk on you. But on your halfway does like a halfway. But if

you bust the bus, didn't shut the funk up. Niggas snicks you know the words, just like you know, i'self wrapped used to say crazy good? You ever seen it? Clean splip joints in the car? Yeah, I do. I do that to my girls, Big of the Queens. Flip um I've seen, um, it's a lot of a lot of classic ship queens clip. I want to pick up to old podcasts because I want to start it off

with picking up your podcast again. Because because if I could big of you up behind your back, and if that's like, if I talk behind you behind your back, I should be able to talk behind you fund your face. So talk behind you behind your back when it's good or bad. I want to go behind you in your face. And I would reiterate I really appreciate me being able to take forty five minutes to an hour tour and I'll break your ships down because somebody it's just three

hours whatever, just like us. And I really would sit there and I'll just be like brounal forty five minutes, I would press pause, go and do whatever I gotta do, walk the funk out, press pause again, and just like do it. So I really want to pick you up. I really want to, uh say, what you're doing is phenomenal, jaw. It's covering you're you're you're a portion of hip hop and you're doing it so well, Well, you know what you told me years ago? Can you tell me about

told you? I'm gonna say something fly ship. I'm on the phone with Northy like, nor, what can I do? Man? Like I'm gonna break through that? He was like, in order, and it might not make sense to y'all, in order for math hot For to beat Math hot For, he has to do something bigger than math hot For. You said that, because I mean I was like right now, I was like like a young Jedi talking to Yoda,

like what'sing Math? You figured it out? Something for the culture, something not about me, something about giving information to the people that's coming up and the people have already been here sing in their praises. Something that that that everybody is going to appreciate. How you get to have it is bigger than me, not just making it about me. And that's what you did. How do you get to heaven? Let me just tell you something crazy? Did you said

that before you this podcast? Let's listen. You get to heavenary this month. You get to heaven. But my people who can never do something for you? And that's what you're doing with the podcast. And I'm just being honest, I'm gonna be elevate what I said because that's what you're doing. You're doing something for people that there's there's like when um, a couple of battles I went to, I haven't been to a lot, right because I just

like fights. I don't like going to fights. I like to watch the fights of pay per viewers, like the palls. But because I'm a foul take a lot of people's comebout and take a peep right now. So so what I'm trying to say is what the fun was I trying to say. What I'm saying, you're going to the to the actual Oh man, you lost me at that.

Bigger than the thing about it is the way the coverage of battle rap, because battle rap is a long fucking process, is right, would be like two minute rounds that should be seven, Like nigga, what type of two minutes are y'all talking about? My nigg But you know, here's the funny part. Battle wrap in hip hop's hand in hand, And one of one of my points that I try to push with the podcast is like, there's no separation. It's hip hop battle rap, same thing, absolutely

little hip hop. You go to the Philippines, the biggest artists in the Philippines battle Wow. There's ten thousand people in the tenders. The biggest artist in Russia. Battle went to and does you wrestle? After he battles? We started it, We started it, We started Battle rap Hipigs and their battles get like thirty million views and they got it from us. So another point that I want to make with the podcast is like I have somebody like Joe

Buttons Royce to five nine. It's no difference. You've probably been in the studio battles. Let me tell you something. Eminem will come. Listen, Eminem will come. That's like, that's like, that's not my dream, guest, bro, No, let me tell you something. I'm gonna be honest with you, Eminem. I can see Eminem coming into your podcast prior to us, because you know, we still smoke, we still drink, and I can see you know the drink how y'all drink drink drink, drink with a clear cup and it's and

y'all stay to the point. See, we want to get sucked up Royce. Royce was on before the Royce interview started. I was like, Yo, you gotta problem with somebody drinking. He was like, I've been on drink himps at this time. To tell you the truth, ironically, I didn't drink. Boys, you don't remember. Oh yeah, you didn't drink because you to confuses. No, no, no, I didn't know what you was talking. But yeah, I didn't drink. Every feel like that's helping people. You know what people? You don't think

it's helping. No, no, no, don't drink. Everybody has an individual problem. You're right. It wasn't for him that day. It was for me that day. I was him not drinking. Yeah, I'm not drinking. Royce was crazy that he doesn't drinking. Covering again. In the second day, it was my ten days being vegetarian, and I just didn't want to have ten days no meat. Pause. Well, I don't know, ye ten days. I flipped up last week it was my

son's birthday. Slip up tonight. I'm just like you know, listen, I sip all my son's birthday and Bennie Honnas I had with with with the black brother that was the chef. He said, his name is Black Knees and he put peanut butter on my shrimp and it was garlic. It was garlic garlic butter, and I'm not gonna lie. I gained four pounds that night because you know you go for ten days and no meat and then just fish. So um. But yeah, I feel more right now for

seventeen years years. I'm sorry, bro, I'm not gonna make it tonight, chicken chicken. If if I'm a cheat, I'm a chief of steak. Steak, Okay, okay, yeah, all right, yeah, I don't with red meat at all at all, at all. Yes, steak. I used to eat steak. And see I was in d f y and um when I used steak. Uh. This is a famous story, at least in my world, right in my little circumference. Well, I I used to eat steak, and I used to go on the being all the time in a deal. Why so it was

just dude. I think his thing was I forget I forget it. He was almost a brother. But he called me a savage and I couldn't believe anybody could call me a savage. And I didn't eat pork because that's to me, If you eat pork, that's it. But when he said savage, I was like your brother. I wanted snuffing, but I couldn't because you know, we just we just through the dorm. So I was like, I was trying to be nice to him because I was saying, in

the morning, I'm spitting on this nigga. So I'm trying to be like kind of nice Stone because I'm like you called me a savage, like there's no giving back for that. And he said to me, like a nice He said, brother, I want you to do me one thing when you get out of here. I want you to not eat um beef for those couple of days. So I did. I went and I didn't eat beef, and I was just I was great because I was the only black Puerto Rican that can play handball and basketball.

There's not this is this is very true. Look, look that's what because you know this is true. There's not niggas in the yard. We do both. You gotta make it big. You gotta even play hand Definitely gotball. I was a hand basketball. I could do both. And then I didn't have a fight. And then two days later, they had a cheeseburger that came out on the menu and I ate it, and I had a fight and and a brother. As soon as I got to the bank again, the brother said, I bet you you ate

beef again. And from that moment forward, I have never ate read MUTI you know what's crazy nice that I have a cheat night. Like the last time. The last time I had a cheat night, I choked some guy out for my girl and he didn't even I don't feel like he deserved it. He said some crazy ship and then you know, I was like, yo, you gotta apologize, brother, and he was like, okay, I'm apologized. But then he left. He didn't apologize. So I saw him talking into the boys.

I walked past them. I stood in the doorway. Didn't him walk down a block, falling around the corner, and I choked out of this motherfucker. But I feel like it was because I ate, because hit me out. I'm so sorry. In order to be no, no, no, in order to think like an animal, sometimes you need an animal part of you. But let me just say something. I was vegan for six months and I also hated that. I'm gonna just tell you why. No. I know it gets you angry in between males, but other than that,

I am from New York City. I cannot be a vegan yet. Just let me tell you, is like a major factor when you are vegan, right, you have no reason to be mad. Get me out. You don't have an animal instinct? How was a vegan and so be Live? You say Selb's earlier? So be Live? Was Selb's about here? I walked through so Be Live one day Nigga stepped on my foot and I said, how are you doing, sir? Are you okay? No? I swear to I was. Let me Let me just tell you something. Let me say,

how funked up I was a vegan. Let me just say, give me you a hippie fucking Gundy game. I wasn't a vegan. First of all, be stump me, and the be just walked away. To be didn't even like because because I was so hit me hit me? You knew me back then? Wait to New York City. This how this is how much vegan was sucking me up. I went to. I was out here like six eight months. I was just out here just eating. Motherfucking I say, I'm in porish. I mean porridge. Porridge you know with

Red Riding Hood and them niggas. You know that's what they have, porridge. You don't remember it? Blew the house down, niggas, three the three, the three little pigs out that page, niggas Google. So I go to New York listening just how much began have me fucked up? Right? I couldn't get mad for nothing. I just couldn't get mad, Like I just really like that was just too jolly, huh. So I go on the club, I think it was the China Club, and I got all my niggas. All

my niggas is in the club waiting for me. So I walk in. I'm like, what's poor? Why are you so happy? Nobody was happy with you? Just didn't give me a five because they gave me a big I'll be honest with you. When you change your diet, niggas be looking at you like what's your problem? And you start to notice like everybody is mad mad, and I feel so chiy I like this, yo, it takes the

edge of fee takes. You only had to walk to the bath, food, put water on my face, and then walk outside be mad like, Yo, what the funds go? He's like, there you go. I wanna take three weeks. I gonna keep you, gonna come the long way. That's the finale the other day, all right, So let's talk mcs. So what MCS you listening to before you start battle? Rapping? Before I start battle? That could inspire that in you.

M hmmm. See there's a difference in my situation. I'm not listening to rappers like people that rapp on beating if I am, I'm listening to m somebody from Griselda the Locks. So many of you said Griselda you're talking about currently, I'm talking about when you was that kid and you saw a buckshot. I was listening to the Locks. Cnn, um eminem who else? Scarface? Because a lot of battle rapping is telling the story, you know what I'm saying, Like,

that's what it is. And for me, I'm gonna tell a story, tell a story, type of type of dude. I'll find out something about you, put that ship in the story story for him, and fuck your whole life up, you know what I mean? Who else? By the way, this is the fastest pisser in the world. He will win a battle piss. I don't think you went to the very battle pissom. If I could think you went to the battleroom. I think he's right behind that curtel

he with his finger. I think you know why I hold it so long, because you know why you take two or three pisces in between. I just hold like battle rap would not exist if it wasn't for nineties hip hop. M Nineties hip hop was like and death Comedy jam because I feel like the funnier you are sometimes you can wear that to be a comedy element. No, no,

you say death comedy Jam, I say Uptown Comedy Club. Okay, same same from the same same thing, Because no you tell us did tell her like snap, you got the goal, you go. But if you tell a good all right, I'm gonna tell you something that after almost twenty years of of adaization, I mean, okay, I thought that he was doing bombay okay um. When people analyze the jay Z and the Nas battle, people always give it to NAS because NAS ranked. And I'll tell you why NAS

got dirty he got I'm from Brooklyn. My heart broke when I heard Et jumping the garbage can head. First it was over. It was like, is what it is? But ether was so I'm not just gonna I'm gonna take facts and then I'm gonna pair him with whatever funny ship I want to say about you. You're thirty six in the karate class, Tao. We try to work it out, like I used that challenge, facts trying to work it out like that was the ship that they're raised.

It's like, oh ship. If we were to ever do a documentary on battle Rap, there's no way that we could skip past the nineties beefs, the the snoop Dogs and uh in the CNN. But isn't it a comedic element a part of that as well? Because it is? There is because like let's say I go to London, I got a battle out there. You say, some London fucking um one of those ships that bro, I'm gonna say a joke. That's right. The crowd Now you're on my side, you know what I'm saying. So all elements

of whatever appeals to people, we use. So it's not hard for for for somebody to say, Okay, all right, I'm not from this region, but I'm gonna go to this region and I'm gonna kill this motherfucker who rules this region because I'm gonna figure out what the funk they like over here, and then what they like about me over here. And I'm a couple of at before right, third round. Just watch Drake's face during my third round he loses his mother. You know what I'm saying? Is

that harder to perform. When you see somebody in the crowd like a Drake or like a Buster, Buster is always want to use that. You're going to use that the same way that Mouke used on Buster. Load of Lux wrote it this about you, you didn't notice, and then he exposed that during the battle versus Load of Lux and Buster was in attendance. Next thing you old Buster signs murder movies. It's crazy, so strategic. But but I feel like there's there's no difference between battle rap

and hip hop. It's no, no, I don't even think that should be sad like, there is no difference. There's all one. It's all. I've never looked at it. I just feel like rappers are gonna be mad at me. But I feel like battle rappers get they more, just do because they have more to lose, Like per night, they have more to life. All Right. You know what's funny. Somebody pointing this out to me, it was like, yo, okay, a battle hollow. I wrote about twenty minutes of material.

Twenty minutes. That's an album, all right. That is a whole album, especially breaking up skits in there. Hell yeah, that's the whole album. It's the same thing. It's like it's like somebody presenting the work. The only difference is you guys get royalties. We don't get royalties. That's something I want to change in Battle has to change. That has to change. Play get rights and royalties. That's what

you guys are doing that. There shouldn't be a battle rapper who've had who's had a classic battle that's not still getting paid. You have to change. And I feel like the Battle leagues you are role King and the dot r B, all the top leagues. You guys need to acknowledge the type of But that's why I thought Drake. I thought that's what Drake was doing. I thought that's what he was at least leaning towards Drake did a

deal for the league. The league at the end of the day, it's gonna say we want to book you and you okay, here's my stipulations. Like right now you are row. I gave my stipulations to battle Guichi Dotti. Okay, I just see him the other day he battled, the reason why you're still seeing them is because we haven't been locked in nutty block. Right. Yes, I'm on point, look at you. I do want to get encourage my brother's life, build a platform, understand your power. Nobody is

coming to these battles to see smack Rat. They're coming to see you. Just sit back and be like, look, we can't battle until we're getting residuals on for these battles. No, let me tell you a path that I see here. Because when you're saying, like the whole thing we are hip hop, I feel like it's almost the same explanation that the B boys and the battle DJs who feel alienated and they created their own lanes and they almost feel like they're not a part of hip hop anymore.

When it's all hip hop. It is now what the graffiti writers have done, which is I don't even know. I don't know how this happened or this is what's happened. When graffiti writers put a mural up or do something, it's automatically copy written, even though it's on illegal walls. So you know that I don't and and look I don't. I don't know that people sue all the time when people here in win would and this everywhere when when when advertisers come in and take these photo shoots BMW,

this boom boom in front of a mural. They think graffiti. I didn't know that people are suing left and right and making money. I know friends of mine that are big graffiti artists. Then it just have lawyers on retainer. Go get them, get them, get them, battle leaves. We don't want to sue you. We don't want to do that because we've all played our want to build this culture. But it's time for battle rappers to get a royalty off of what they're doing. Is it time for a

battle rapper to control the battle rapper league? See they even go again with this gun fights, and you know what, I feel like that because as much as Drake again again face goes because there's a situation I'm creating called Friday Night fights, and I want to offer that to

battle rappers. You get a royalty or for whatever we put out, not only your check, but not only your check because the way that things are changing right now, just don't know if Amazon, everybody's trying to get a piece of something that people want to watch over and over and over battle rappers. Battle rappers should be able like Okay, Loaded Lux, you had a classic battle versus Calico. You never make both of it and people will watch it forever. Pops came out that different. That was that

was hollow versus load of lux. That was when he said your pops wasn't a gangster, he was just another law snigger. Oh yeah, that was like hard. But to know that lux, you're never gonna make another dime of anything that's not the stuff that's like. I don't think it's the league's fault problem. I think it's a bigger problem. It's a digital thing now because once you go, you're putting it on video. What's going digit it's digitized. It's all about how you figure out those rights right now.

Battle rappers are like early rappers slaves, where we get one check and bye bye. This ship could hit any type of check or the vigital check of a publishing if that battle goes viral, and it should be a sounding change after it doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. We can't even repost our own battles on our own YouTube channels without getting flagged from the league. Yes, but that's fine. Maybe you shouldn't because the league might have the right

to that. But however, however, many views that league's video gets, you should be able to get residuals off of that because you're creating your own property, which is your verses. But every right now, right now, and everybody who has because here's here's a difference in this situation. There are people coming up right now. They's say I don't want to rap, I don't want to make music. I want to be a battle rapper. I want that to be

my career. So we need to change this and we need to make it a situation where I do a battle for the rest of my life. No matter what that battle does, I'm gonna get paid. Everybody. It should be the industry standard from right now, so everybody else on your row, King of the dot alb, all around the world, in London, wherever you were, this needs to be the industry standard. So battle robbers canna stop taking battles for this check and actually have a future with

the ship. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. That is that is a serious stance. That is a I think it's a doable stance like doing it's a month multimillion dollar industry right now, right but after ten years, ten eleven, twelve years, there are no battle rap millionaires. That's wrong, absolutely wrong. Hip hop moved faster than that. After six years, there was a it was a hip hop millionaire. But that's why I respect Drake for stepping up. And he attempted to try to say if it worked or not.

I respected. Yeah, I respect to him. But you know what, it's gonna take a Buster Rhymes to step up someone of that. I know because Buster loves this ship. Yeah, I know it, like it's only a couple of other rappers I can just talk to and Buster. Let me just say the first time I'm at Buster looking up for Buster Rhys, it's on YouTube. He knew you rhymes and everything. He was just like, of course, I know

who signs solid. I used to put money on Iron Solomon when he battled that situation that occurred between you to no, it's beautiful not he really knows. He really knows. And I want to correct something you're saying because you said about hip hop millionaires. You guys are hip hop and need to be the other hip hop millionaires. He was like, Hey, I'm telling you, I speak to be boys, I speak to graffitio, and then they feel alienated outside

of hip hop. We are all a part of the culture. Man, Like, no, don't let nobody tell you just because there's famous rappers and this is hip hop. We are all a part of the culture. Whatever you know, and I want to follow the monica of what's going on in the Philippines. The top rappers out there not only make records, they battle, they do graffiti, they dance, they do everything. No, I'm not saying no Noriega should be spending on No I'm not.

But you're already doing it, man, because I'm just being honest with you when I saw it, Like I said, I'm gonna reervate what I'm saying, because when I've seen the podcast, I was like, this is perfect. This is perfect for a person like me that's busy, but this is perfect for a person like me have nothing to do,

because you know why you're given the expertise. I don't know if you sat there and said, I'm an expert opinion, because but that was an expert like I just I can see there and say, Okay, that's what happening, Like cool, that's what. And then, don't get me wrong, your co hosts don't agree with you all the time. They don't.

They don't have to spressing my home girl's her name, his knowledge and science space goes that's my, that's my and the other guy the other guy came and hung out with me and ship and UM, what I'm saying is you're doing a correct thing. And the thing is it's its opinions and that's what it's about. It's about covering your own fucking ship. And I really just respected. But the thing about it is fucking battle rap culture.

It's still in its infant stages. It's still but it shouldn't be the same way that actually hip hop popped up in like the eighties. Yeah, seventies, mid seventies, mid seven, but it shouldn't be before, Like financially, it shouldn't be. But what I'm trying to tell you until like you, you get the artist have been out for fifteen years, right, and you book him indoorf Germany and you book a battle rapper duz doorf Germany. I bet you that battle rap news Do Germany were potty sot out. I'm not,

you know what. What's what's funny about what you're saying is I went to Sweden and um, I want I want to remember his name. There was a huge rapper from Houston out there but he opened up for what we was doing, and I was shocked. I was like, how is he the opener? Exactly? United States? He's making he's making what we made exactly three times every night, exactly. But out here it's different, interpreted differently in different countries. Man,

it's beautiful. No man, goddamn, let's make a battle rap God damn so and in US men, and now you know, big up to our brother about to say Joe Biden, but Joe Button, Joe Budden, my Burgo brother, my um Jersey brother. Um. We've all been pushing for hip hop to have health insurance. Yeah, that's real ship. Um. And I want to continue this with you, but I need to have no problem. We don't got nobody the interview. Come on, hass Come on man, no roblem, Mr Lea,

we can talk Spanish. Hows may come back titled no met relax? What's what is it? What's the info? What's the info? What's the info? All right, get out to get out of the way, Mr Lea, excuse me, pretty sick? Three days with drink Champs, say drink Champs, all right up? D J E f N get a free suscription of motherfucking Drink Champs sixty days. I'm titled sub title dot com forward s last Drink Champs sixty days. We're here, man, get that free child ya day? Take a shot? No? No,

what's the next one? Who's that for? Sunny Yo? If you're ever in Haiti, check out Sunny DBT CORONIVS free. When you pick out you gotta relax everybody. Oh, she won't for yo. If you want to get a hair cot with he doesn't. He does not disinfect any of his clippers. It don't matter because he danced his baby well for bars. What was he talking about again? Before you want a speeding ticket, you don't go to jail. So we talked about I just stepped over put a

little bit. You should I go to the back. The healthy shuts me personally. You don't need bell. Email that email, grand Master cast, Grandmaster Flash, Grabmaster Flag. Charlie Chase, Charlie Chase. These motherfucker's running to health issues. I don't think they should ever. Definitely not them. These are the architects of the culture. But then we should all like like collect I say that to get it because if you really technically think about it, sh the caress One, all of them.

It's probably like the first real battle wrappers. They embarrassed their selling go hard, no cool, more D and busy beat. They definitely came first, more D and busy, but that wasn't technically on wrap. He was was face to face. That was the original battle battle rap. M Shannon caress One took it to new school battle rap. That's what jay Z and they did what they did? Was it

with jay Z? And what do you think? What do you think would happen if let's say round one was um not spitting the jointing he did on paid in full, you know what, freeway money bags brown, and then jay Z answered with the takeover, and then round two was ether I'm gonna be honest and they'll tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why might flip on me. But it took Nas a year and a half to realize that jay was going out him Wait wait wait wait wait wait, because you got me, you got me stuck. Yeah,

I thought now started the whole thing. No Bleak started it. No Bleak, I don't bring traps. He said he saw it. He's okay, but but from from my understanding, according to Clue tapes, the Clue tapes, NAS did a freestyle saying you think you're the king? Na Kings did the great Crown shout off. You know what, this is the thing the thing is about. It is this and we have the proof. I'm so glad because I don't have a

lot of ships stood here. It was like one of his friends from It's a Hood said, um said, um, some ship and Bleek was like what he were at me? So Bleeke said, he just went out and then if we did a whole little thing and I was like, Blake, you thought you could beat Nahs like that? It was something like that was like, yeah, yeah, it was something like that, and we went through it and Bleek thought in his mind he could really beat Nas. But but me on the other side, this is the part I

didn't get a chance say that. Um. You know at that time, I was it was nice seven and me and Jungle was the closest dudes in the world. That's my favorite. And um, I believe two thousand one is when Holds start taking the shots and I just remember us like saying like we're always taking shots, like and I was almost got a lot of things. Junor's jun you what years that but none of your join beans years that. Throw your hands up, throw your hands up. I believe it. That's two thousand and one to two

tho uh four. It's in that area. If I'm if I'm wrong, please tell me. Um what is it called? You know how mad come through the club? Yeah? But what's the name of the record? Though? It's um do it a get do it again? Do it again? Do it again? I said, I smoke on Smoke a smoke champ. That's for you. That's for you. That's for you, baby, God damn it. Nobody. But but but this the show, This is the power of hip hop. We crossed the

brands everything. We're smoking our own ship crazy. So look it's gonna be I said that year before he said it so, and I'd be like, I'll be honest with you, like, no's my brother then my brother now. But back then I kind of felt like he was a little naive, Like we're going on. Jungle knew me and Jungle Na's brother. Jungle is just like me. He's foul like and Jungle is to this deadist foul. But I'm just saying Joe found Jungle was like, let's get up. You know what

I met Jungle Battle of Rum Drum and Jungle. I'm thinking, but like, let's get a math. You just stay somebody with you. I'm just going down there just in case we got down to it. I'm just being honest, be honest, and nigger has never got hot. Jungle's day has apartment in queens Bridge, like c murder. I've being honest with you. See an apartment and I'm not playing everybody looking like for real, Oh yeah, that's that smoke cams, baby, make some noise for us. Aun. But back then, you know

you can. You can take it to that. Take it to that. Let's stop talking. You can get let's let's just do tig up. But give him a little bit more, do see, because we drinking the rest of the time, the rest of the tiger. Come on, let's just let's go coronavirus tiny, we get another bottom for a long time, brong time. I ain't gonna is that just mine? Just you disasplacted me. Give everybody else, give me everybody, give no not not in that. Give me a shot. Yeah,

don't do that. We do say and we know you we got ex so do say just in case you want to go home with that. I will. You know what I'm saying. You know, we take care of our artists. You know, you know that, you know I felt, I felt like I felt somebody just say oh at that point that I want my people. I want when people come to see drink chand on and people come to see drink chance, they know that they take care of their people. You could smoke, you could Joe live and

you could choke. God damn it, you know what I mean? Makes it who I'm not gonna lie after they take over your Yeah it remember that, Julia, that means it's raining. I have no idea why, dude, I'm trying to learn Spanish. I'm sucking up math. So Junior Ja, you like like the uyo uva. That's rain. You have a batter of the person that got racist. Yes, that's Sweden. Let's make some moist. Sweet. You didn't make a noise to the racist Swedie, you know, because I st him up to

Zat's So I was in Sweden. Swe did he call you? He didn't call you, He didn't call me nine it's not gonna fly. And he tried to call me a dead beat. And my third round was all about me raising my son. I even did the Elmo voice. People don't notice I got five kids. I had to learn to adapt my first I do cookie monsters. I'm not gonna do it, but yes you yes, damn damn. So, um,

what's what's what's what's the worst part of nobody? You're talking about the nas and jay z Okay, Yeah, I did yes then, and it took took it took some time for us. It's like, yeah, um, what was your stance during that time? This is sometimes I asked you if you guys came on March, I love to held on our show. All right, um, number I'll be honest with you all for years, um, and I say this respectfully. They were scared of each other, which is great they

should have been. Um, but me being I'll say outside and I say chill leader, I say hype man, I'll say everything. I was just like man like and and Jungle is his brother. So like when I heard he got a little cause little Julory, I just kind of like there was no like other other person he could be talking about. Nos did not feel like that, which was great, Like that was still and I remember we're seeing them in justice and was like, what's going on, being like, it's all love, and then the shot just

kept going, just kept going. But it takes time. That's my point. My point is sometimes a person would see like I think I brought this up because I said, six months later, I said, you know, I think that's that's why I brought it out. We just all over the place. It doesn't matter. But but contrary to what I believe you're saying, Jay started this, No, Bleak Star started it. He said, drink champs listen. They started it. But immediately if my little man is sometimes written, so

who you're doing? A little man is doing something I don't can, I don't call him. I stopped him, which means Jay wanted dicks right, So it's automatically like a coach sign. So it's all you understand, like and when yeah, so like Bleak, I remember that line your lifestyle is written, So who you pupposed to be paying a position? But that's light. At that time, it was saying your lifestyle is written, it's my number one. I'm going on record saying it was written is my number one NAS album.

You're all correct for your own opinion. You're not correcting this totality. What'smatic? Brother? Yeah, I don't know, man, it was written with so much better. The message alone was like, okay, it was written. It's classic. I'm not I don't want to take away from it. It was it's just allmatic. Thematic was still like if It Broke Brown, though it Brokeroundmatic was a visual movie. It was something that you can hear. It was an audio movie. Excuse me. It

was something you could hear that you can see. And for me, that was the first time in hip hop other than Slick Rick Children's Story and I'm not saying because n w A did that as well. I didn't see car. I felt like like I could visualize. I didn't want to go to Compton but from LA though you're from l A. It was the first time I heard it. I thought it was Rage's Island. I thought Compton was a version of I said, I don't want to go to Compton, like I don't thought they just

walking time. That's what I'm saying, Like you had something in two life. Crew didn't make you visualize what they were talking about. Yeah, I definitely did crew record. I just saw the videos so I was like, yeah, you know we might a buddy racket, and I think I think we're all saying the same thing but differently. But I think all Matic broke so much ground was the first album I heard that saw. Does that make sense? I heard it, but I saw it. But you. I was about to say that to you. I was about

to say it wasn't a Queens thing. He was breaking down Brooklyn. He was talking about other nations. He was New York City. So the thing is, if you're talking about Queen's I get that part. If you limit to me the just Queens that they say that Mac was a great album just because I'm from Queen's, I would also accept that. But the fact is he was talking about Brooklyn, he was talking about the Bronx. He was

anybody in any project. It was a New York anybody from a project, a complex or co op, if you were from any from from a tenement where you had other neighbors, you could relate to what Naa said. And I'm not saying that for a regional thing. I'm saying that because that was a but you understand the non regional aspect and you had to love it too. No, of course, I can tell you we loved it, but we looked it for different reasons, okay, And what was

your different reas proground lyrically for us? Like we had never heard around to stop you said you had never heard lyrically like that. I mean I didn't need him. Of course it was different. It was a little different other than I feel like that was the latest different because it was like a young telling you this was going on generation fact, the white Beard fool you right, right, But that's what it was, because it was like God,

it was a little bit older than us. I heard rock him when I was young, and I was like, yo, he's nice. But when I heard Nas, I was like, it was any more to you, And he's rock him right, like your older brother, Yeah, exactly, especially like your uncle. The whole fucking special on him. Oh Nas, listen, my my every day, let's come from school. This in the afternoon, Batman, at four thirty five o'clock, video music box, see this.

This will bring me back because just you're saying video music box, let me know that you're from the era of true hip hop, right, So now what happens you see these battle raps? I'm so sorry, I gotta ask about it. These neon niggers. They just they metaphors like I had to, Like I said the bad thing about me in the view in person for drink Champions. I've become to these people for two days. So for two days, I just explore your fucking world. You're still your sauce

for two days. And there was one like so, because you know, I wanted to respect your new job. I didn't want to just look at all your old battles. I wanted to respect your new job. So I wanted to look at all these other battles. And I started to see some new battles that was happening. So I had to look you know, certain days, certain days like that, I looked at the youtubes or whatever, and there was a lot of these new guys that they don't study

the craft at all. No, they studied metaphors. They study a pattern and they think that it's usual for everybody. Just like just like hip hop right now, where the baby had come out with a song, there's like a hunting and fifty people that will come out with a song used in the same flow. You hear that that pattern, one of them might hit, one of them might hit, and be like, oh, ship. Oh, this is the other ship. But the rest of them they're just seeing one thing

and emulating it. They're not understanding. Yo. The culture is really about originally originality, and that's the problem nowadays because I feel like I hear one record it hits, and then I hear another record that's just like it, and then I hear another record just just just like it, just like that a rap a dude to due to have a classic battle, and then I hear somebody else come with the same ship. That's what separates the legends

the Vets from the rookies. The rookies emulate the vet they come into this ship like, how can I be different the legends? I've been different. I created this style, so I got like the national Sunday, I put up a picture of me Holy Sue Serf's hand as a child leaning on me. You feel what I'm saying because my style it's what birth. Do you understand that you did what I'm saying And there's a lot of that. There's so many other rappers that could do the same thing. Noria.

I just want to say, what what? How many times was you sitting in the crib and somebody would be like, yo, I just heard a song. Somebody said, what what you want me to tell you what I gave to the game. I got a lot more than just what what? Okay, I gave what what I gave jump Off. You stood up for New York. That's a huge York when no one stood up for New York. And guess what, all of them niggas that's on that record, you gave it

to us more calling I get you the party. And to this day, I'm one of the only niggas going to l A to this day. You know, Dads is one of our closest friends. Corrupted one of found me and me and Eforty working on something. I can't tell you what we're working on because I don't even know what we're working on, just something we're working on, fucking and and you know so. But to tell you the truth, I'm a New York nigga. No matter where I'm at, I don't give a funk if you you moved me

to the Bay Area, move me to Miami. Is a person that's gonna come in there and say where are you from? And I'm gonna say I'm from Olkohol, Nebraska. They're gonna say you from New York City, your accent can't listen? Gay. One of my closest friends a lot of people don't notice, was John Singleton. Singleton with my homie that nigga did not live in l A. I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, nigga lived out here. I used to be with John Singleton about two or three days of a week and I used to me and I used to starve to him, like, yo, put me on snowfall, Nigga said, your New York accent is the most terrible accent I've ever Normally, I wouldn't even set you up to put your snowfall. I'm like, you don't think I could be a l A nick, give us yours right now. I can't do it. He was right. He was right because I did try to look in the mirror and I

was like your clothes more more. I like, damn, John, I can't do it. But then I met my nigga from actual Snowfall. What's my nigga? The British dude, this British that my nigga listen, that's super act. But then when I met him, I was like, he was like, hey, no, I have to hear a trip. I said, what being man, But but lets let me know I'm not a real actor like because I can't turn it on and turn it off like that. I can't be like you know, I can't be like your logo for life. Yeah, I

can play a Spanish nigga, annoy. I guarantee you there's a hit series waiting for you to play. Play a part in from l A. You want to be a wrestler, you can't. I got keeping tuning, iced t. That's my nigga. Keep me to he gotta see us developing somewhere for me somewhere. You gotta get out to see on that ship. That's my nig I like that like that, yo, math, I'm just being honest. Man. I have very fun with you, and I knew it was gonna have fun with you.

Hold on, let me finish my my champagne. Hold on, you're not done yet. I'm not done. I'm gonna yo. So, so, have you been following like what's going on in battle Rap like the viral stuff? Have not? Please keep with me on. I have been following as much as I can, but I I know I'm not friend goals. Have you seen that I have not seen best friend. I have no idea what's called taking a shot and Org definitely

have no Okay, it's out there. Check it out. T Rex from thinking with the little pimple on his side. You never saw it. Shout out to Rex man. I don't know what it was. A video that went viral recently with t Rex was you know he was in a situation wheelchair. No, there's something bent over and his man gave him a shot while they had something bent over and he looked at the camera, looked it looked crazy. Ninkus's still training ship. Yeah, No, it was the train.

It was just it was just in the same room. Was punned proud or Sash was proud proud because I ran treads with Planning and I was not happy about it. A couple hold on. He forced me. This really happened because because I heard every record were you and Punch and I was like, Dorian put getting alone together. This is awesome. I love this ship. I love this ship. These motherfucker's got the best kits in the world. You know what I mean? Um, did you actually get to

know we've done? No, I've done yeah, I've done some ship. Yeah, and you know you know, I really wasn't put it, but I have fun. I was eighteen and the time, I'll be honest with you, I've never seen like you know, the New York City. This is this slush on the floor like in the wintertime, right, he said, I've never seen it, just like pull bits. You can't look directly

at our asses. Part of that I don't. Part of it wasn't there just a part when I've seen like I've seen his like you know in New York City and the winter time, the slush on the floor and sometimes it lust it's yellow, sometimes a little bit of black. It's not really slush you want to Yeah, I've seen my niggs fill up super squirts what the slush and

hit people with it? What was it? You though? Oh, they hit bitches And I'm like, I don't know why, because the bitches sucked everyone dick it back in the day, It's just like it was like, it's like why I treat them like that? They're doing something like they sucked everyone off. Then we had a trayers. It was like queens against the brons, like who who could not not? Who could not the least the least the least. Yeah, so it was like, so we had a Queen's girl.

I want to ask you a question. So it was like, whoever buss first lost? So I think queens One girl because there's nobody is just the bronze but being punished routing the morning. What's in it? We don't know? I was in on that's fantastic, fantastic, not in the fantastic. So here's a bitch routing them all. But the thing is, no one could really know. It's fourteen negative. They're looking at you like this, you hold it back? Are you doing to me one time? You're like that id chicken

the front and cheating in the back didn't work? Wait, so what was the chicken the back? Dorm? To tell you something? You can say that just makes I'm gonna keeping away, Damn, you ain't gonnae noise? I think you know what these females for us do. That's at least we could get said. So, yeah, it's my man's batchelor's quality. It's actually sad. He used to manage young, but young, no sav that you should manage young. We remember this, not on on duckdown with duck down in them. Yes,

but he was he just he just picked up. Young Amy started off with a with a manager named Young sav He's from crime heist as my man and Duck down at his bachelor home of the regional gun Clappers. We're taking it back to black Moon every black Moon. They just had. They just recently had their twenty one anniversary. Yeah, they in the game down for twenty years and all day. So I went to his bachelor party. I was a young, young dude at the time, and he didn't want to

go through with the festivities. So he was like, hey, man, so what you And there was a chick in the front, and there was two in the front. No, no, there was two chicks in the front. Okay, man, but one of them. I just wanted to go to the back. It sounds like Eddie of the was for me. No, not for me. That ain't really to move, you know what I'm saying, Like, no Backhe looking at you different. You sure you want to miss? That's cool? Everything is what I like. What I don't like this is prior

to that. She don't get right. Okay, so I can fart in the face gets but I'm I'm really into this. Ship kept moving to the fact and I'm like, yo, what you're doing back she's got and I'm like, hey, you're gonna Every time she went for it, there was a change in the front because I didn't like it. You think what I'm saying changing? It was no, that was changing. Hey I don't like this, but the front wasn't stepping it up the first The front was stepping it up, but the back was a distraction. The back

was sucking everything up right like just started anymore? Yo? I said, yo, stop and she was like, nad situation. Basically she run on the situation. So after a while I was like, no, I'm good on this. I don't like it. This is what it is. But if you out there and you you know, you're a man and you like getting your ass like that showing you don't care, I don't care, because no, I do not like my ass eat and I eat the ash. That's what you don't have you have you ever felt that? Now? I

don't like it. I don't like you don't like like like I like it. I don't like what happened. How do you feel about it? So hard? I'm gonna go out there and talk about it. How many chicks would you say have actually performed this on you. No, I'd probably been like one or two, one or two, one or two. It takes a special chick, so I want to even go that around. I'm just saying it's becoming popular. It's just leaving mic down doesn't even looking like pause.

So one of these chicks, these one or two, it was all that. I'm gonna talk about names and show it's not a lot of names. You still gotta get names, not just areas with Miami. Miami and the freaktown. That's crazy. It's Miami really the free time. I mean, I mean, I can only speak nine bro, I lived out here for nine months. It's not the free time. Where do you live out here? I love downtown Miami. Okay, you're

not living in Miami, Miami, so it's real Miami. It's just like it's just being in the in the neighborhoods. In the neighborhood they eat mad over there. That's what y'all saying. I'm just just second. I'm just second. Hey man, all I'm saying it is I just tected it was weird too, but I was like, Wow, she really cast about how he she went for it, and she really wants to make certain Oh no, bus you been what's yours up? Your legs up? What you're you're not going?

What's your legs up? What your legs? Because I go front because my liking. I don't like this new Arab pon when niggas be having their legs up, I don't like that. Be it's not gonna stever. But I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say what are you not gonna say that? You're probably gonna say I'm not gonna say whatever. You got a finger pop or something. This is where finger pop gotta get back and style you want to. I want to be a finger pop and back. So what does I have to do with

that situation? I'm not gonna lie used to fingerpop Chase and then I put my hand by the side of the face when I kissed him and smell the finger and be like, oh no, I'm gonna leave it salone or way to go. She got some keep bring that back. We need to bring that back like turgoys for me to keep going. If you don't some of like Turgoys exactly, I don't know what it's not like rest in piece pop smoke, but broke to the party. I let tis I'm a turkuose. Let's give you a real rest in

piece though three rest in peace pot smoke yo. But how let's give him momasonas I mean, I'm not crazy? Is that for you? A Brooklyn nigga? I feel like the Takashi situation fu all up led to that explain that I'm making see makes sense because the way the kasi should have been rolling is the way pop smokes should have been rolling, right, not like that? Not only that, but this is an association security security, not them, but what they claim that was in association. That what I'm saying.

And then you go to the West coast. Who's with you? You're talking about gang gang ship? Right? I never I never really fully understood the gangang ship, and none of us fully understood the game ship. Even the people that grow up in the gang ship, they don't fully understand it. That's why they always innocent bystandards that happen. The thing about it is, we gotta start looking at each other as blacks. You gotta start looking at each other like

hip hop. We gotta start looking at each other like you know, the people who who understand the same thing, Like if I look at you like a king. If I look at you like a Farrell, it's hard for me to hurt you. If I look at you like a nigger, I look at you like a fucking you know, a cause or blood, it's easy for me to hurt that. The thing is, I want to I want to us to span. The thing is, it's bigger than hip hop. It's bigger than it's it's you know, we should ude,

we should we. Hip hop is a fucking nationality. And if you love hip hop and and and you white and you love hip hop, and and you Colombia and you love hip hop and you love hip hop, and you Asian, and we're all together, that we gotta all be together. We got to all be together. This myself today North, I'm walking down Lincoln Bro. I noticed that when a black person walked past me, get that I was. I was on the eyes, like, I don't know what's

at that's that New York at you? And then when somebody else from a different rains or whatever walk past me, I didn't give a fuck, but I kept paying attention, and I said to myself, what am I doing this? That's New York? What am I doing this? At the end of the day. Well, out here, I'm out head. You're probably trying to have a good time. I'm trying for good time. Why am I watching you? Why don't I suspect you of being the enemy? That's hip hop. It's hip hop, and it's New York and hip hop. OK,

but it's not good for us. No, it's terrible because years to get over what you just said, and years every time I ever seen another black person, I always was on guard. Every time I've seen another person who not even a black person, it didn't matter if they was black, if they had the Dodgers hat on, if they had a hoodie on, they had the same Jordan's that I was on. I knew they was on that type of time I was on, so immediately got on guard.

I took me a turn forty two years old, and I can sit back and I can say, what's up, Homi? How are you doing? Where you from? It? Really? Because I was just like funk everybody. The thing is, when I got into this game, I felt like y'all niggas, like I don't know, I ain't gotta be involved with y'all. And then as I kept elevating, I realized I'm the only niggative thinging like this thing is. Everyone else is happy? Why I can't be happy? And and as I elevated,

I realized that that's some real New York ships. Motherfucker's in l A. They all get along. Motherfucker's in Atlanta. That's where Atlanta's winning Atlantica. Look at another person running. That's not true, man, that's not really true. Just not everybody everything did everybody everything York. I'm sorry. I'm sorry because I should have realized everyone else is here. I

had an out of eye contact with him. So what I'm saying is giving him a New York perspective, like when we go out of town sometimes and just just to show an example of what it is, two tapes. We never heard of NAS in biggie collaboration. We never heard NAS collaborate from with anybody that wasn't from Queens.

You think what I'm saying we never heard was but but A was considered a quzy because of his affiliation back know he was from the most, but there wasn't too much of that, so it was always a separation. If it came to who's the best rapper, um, who's who's who's the most creative, who's doing this, who's doing that. We will always section off to our borrow. And it's part of the reason why the rest of the country ended up taking over hip hop. Like in other in

other regions, New York wouldn't let us in. They thought that we were corny. They thought, well of that's the South represented the South. At one point, every New York Brooklyn queens, five boroughs in Atlanta, I don't know five boroughs in Florida, but there is their own borrows. They don't just like over town. But it was if you came from that, if you came from that, it was a baking ignorance to the way that that that New York hip hop looked at the rest of the going

to New York hip hop to blame hip hop is it? Don't. No, New York was the mecca of it, the industry, but the day is Japan looked in it the same way Australia only because of New York. New York was the beacon represented what we represented, and the world gravitated to whatever you're We can absolutely blame us for what you saying. I'm just saying the South right now for running it. No, we can't blame We're not blaming you. I'm just saying

to you're not blaming it. But but but I can't see how someone from the South said, you can't critique. You guys can't say the critique, and then when I critique it from the outside say no, no, no, no, no no, But you guys you sinking. You guys are saying but from the outside. But when I say, understand, something started here and you don't get outside of what way. But it's just like it's every every crip in Los Angeles can always critique every blood in every cript from

New York. They can. So it's vice versus you're asking everybody who doesn't hit we can't. We can't because because you know why, hip hop and bridded in New York. So that doesn't matter if that's what happened when crips and bloods got exported exactly, Let's wait, christ and blood started in the West coast, right, hip hop started a new As far as I mean, actually, I think that's a bad analogy, to be honest, As far as we knew he was in no, no I was, But I

take it back everything. I didn't take what I was doing, but I retract you. Every set represents the area. No, no, but I take it back, so non ever set represents area. Right for New York, you didn't have to have a set. You was just from that area and that's what you sets. That's that's the same thing I'm saying. You was from that area and that's what it was. Okay, so what are we saying. But on the inside of it, there wasn't like a differential like the way there is now.

I feel like there's new rappers coming up that feel like I gotta be blood, I gotta be crip. That's a completely different conversation than we're happening. But yeah, but you're right, You're what I'm saying. You're right, You're right. But for us, like it was like, no, it wasn't under that I'm from our heights. You had the standing beside sometimes came out. It was against all odds to

say the truth. Um, Puff Daddy was controlling that. You think you said it earlier with Shinese suits and you know, I'll tell that to Puff. For the last two years that me and him, you know, the last couple of years, we haven't been been able to hang out as much. But the two years prior to that, I had to tell him, I said, yes, they hate you. I hated your ninety seven. Why might they hated you and ninety nine because you had Chinese suits shiny both Chinese and Chinese. Yeah,

so it's you. You. You represented the exact opposite of what I represented. Like you know what that to me? That was my shiny suit. You see when I look at Ray Kuwan, that's no beast pull up polo. That was my Basachi. That was my Gucci, that was my a Cougi. That was it. Right there. You see this ship this to the left of that Rabian rock Kim. I don't look they got Gucci, but that Gucci is not Gucci. The Naps there was a stick up kid named of course. Yeah, we're booking out right side. And

he might have got both of those changes. You feel what I'm saying from all many projects, he took their change. Listen, you don't know the history. I don't know that right here with Jazz old Um, I'm just saying that I'm from Queens, but a mother fucking b K Hort he knew what he was doing. He picked the nigger from Brooklyn that everybody was like, that's fifty fifty guy. Anybody you want to blood New York City. Take your brother Eddie.

Eddie has heroin if you want, don't listen to his name, yo, mad, No, no, listen so mad. What battles are you looking up to now? I mean you serve versus load of love? M h oh ship they battle before. No, they're contracted. We don't have a date on it, but they were contracted. Steve about Homie, right, and then loaded Lux. That's my man, mother, preacher, nigger. It's basically the dude this he's a new era. He claims the neighborhood. He claims neighborhood. He's been shot a

couple of times. He got shot five times. He's a fifty cent of battle rap and it's been locked up a whole bunch of times. And every time he came back came crazy. So it was like at one point I was like, damn, do I need to go to jail like because he when he came out of there, it was fury. Then we outloaded Lux, the performer, the master, that the one of the right now doing some ship. I don't know what he doing at any seven. I don't know what he's doing, even yeah, but he's nobody

here about that. We care about who you are. Lux versus Surf is gonna be the battle of this ship as that Smack is that you are what league Smack because at the end of the day, I give it up the King and the Dot, I give it up to r B. But Smack is really the person who created multimillion dollar industry from this. So the person actually right now, you got a two million battle, two million out the battle, and you could pick who what league you want to battle? What league are you be picking?

You're expect that your answer? God, damn it, I really do I really do that. I got you. I got you because not only he did, Like I'm really into this. A Smack DVD was what it was. I'm sure you was on it, million people on it. I was. I was scared to what I was watching. I was scared to be on YouTube. When YouTube was introduced, then we got to see where everything was worth when the battles got Can you remember everything we're about to say, because

let me just tell you something. That time when the Battles got uploaded on YouTube, you guys was worth more than us because people kept watching them, watching them listen YouTube first got uploaded. Battle rappers was worth more to rappers. There was Guchi Man interviews, he was fifty cent into interviews. There was Kanye interviews. But the battles, the numbers just kept growing and growing, growing and grown and grown, and Chrome Smack step back on saying I got to make

a dollar. This is a culture, it's real ship. May they happen. So I'm always gonna say, like for right now, even though I love all b I've made the most money in battle rap that I've ever made off of all b e. King of the Dot we got love too. I one of my battles. It's the most that I ever made in King of the Dot. But Smack, it's just a history there that's like undeniable and everybody didn't gravitate to it. And he feels like dom kid goes.

Everybody like diss him and pick him up at the same time in the battle always have glasses on because someone's gonna on the back smacking up forever, and motherfucker's will still be like Nahs, Smack Smack believed him, but fuck smack him around him like right now, like they you just think I smashed Beasley wife and no, I didn't wait, he wasn't ready. I Google that, you saw it Google, I wasn't on the man. That was a third page. That was a third page alone. Loo. I'm

gonna say this. I got love for Beasley R I love for Smack. You know what I'm saying. We both grew together. But I'm always going to be on the side of the battle rappers. That means you must be a cute niggers. Like no, it's a little bit d nam nice little look d nice. Yes, I see that like a little bit. I see that. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, but Unice does look like Beasley. That's crazy like that. Like, but at the end of the day, like they are

the most ambitious league in this culture. They're are the ones that's gonna like, I'm gonna hit this this milestone before you. I'm gonna gravitate these numbers before you. They're doing that to the other leaves. And I'm not mad like all be love all be the most felt like after like the fights that you don't even feel like you felt like that. It kind of it kind of it kind of something between us. Because Smack had um sponsors called exclusive vodka M when I'm hot. But on

June they said the vodka is not exclusive. That was ten minutes before I met the owner of Exclusive vodka, so he was in filling. So I understand it. But three and a half years I didn't. They did a bid for soul charge. Bro, I gotta be honest with you, as a person that does business, that's exactly the amount of time should be on time out. It should be four or five. Three and a half is probably lucky because had a shot a shootout? Did I say that? Did I say that? What is a shootout that happened

from the Hot ninety seven? Did? I had nothing to do it. I was not there Bang bang like that last best verse, best verse ever spit in Foxy Brown's career, Bang bang. So, by the way, I had nothing to do with that. But I had to wait four years. No, I was on the West Side Highway. I didn't make it. But what I'm trying to say is four years I had to fight that. Now that was the best Foxy Brown? What was it? How? First? Was hard? Wasn't it? That

was a battle rap? That was a battle rap. And let me tell you something, not not only was this coming like off of your solo Joy. When I heard Bang Bang, I was like, it was just Brooklyn, But let me just take I was gonna ride with Foxy, tell you what. It didn't matter that she was going against somebody else in broke. I'm gonna tell you what happened. I was just like, you never said the story, man, you know what. You're my friend that much and I

respect you that much. This first time gonna real the story. I think I prevealed it slightly, but I'm gonna reveal it in totality. By the way, I've been in the studio Foxy like years ago. She's crazy. She's crazy. She's a talent. Though around the time she was switching over the Bad Boy and she was trying to make that happen. Didn't I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't meet I didn't. I didn't meet her, And I was glad because I never wanted her to sign a bad Boy right.

That was like a kim thing. I feel you well. Anyway, after what happened, whatever, uh, quiet Storm is out? Mom did? What is? This is? The thing is we never intended on this to be a battle rap record remix with m I don't know what that's what happened to Kim remix of that that came out. What happened was I had a beat from their people. You know who did Bang Bang shout the algemist. I was on the phone

when it was at eight. So I'm not intending if you're listening to our verse on my verse, I'm not this and no one right, I'm actually this nigga my barow listen when I'll say I said, bang bag nigga, I keep going gas a big change. I don't like having sex. I like brain if smokes some blood fans with five and the range, and it's nothing for me to suit on your three or from left fract twenty minutes from QB I you usually just let us be

or find yourself shot up in the hospital. There's nothing to do with anybody, nothing at nothing, nothing at all. This is straight up me in mind, but innerstand boom. I don't remember Paul verse. But then fix he comes on. We could not pause this video. Go look at Bang Bang seeing the featuring foxing Foxy Brown, and then come back and listen to the rest of the story. So I'm gonna be honest with you. If Fox spare her first two verses. We looked at each other like, no,

because she was listen. The verse that y'all got is great. It's the crazier one. There's two verses. We have it on rail, I have it on rail. What are you doing with it? I'm never gonna put it out. I want to hear it, though I would like her hair. No, I'm gonna be honest. I would let her hair first, because you know, because and I think she would say to me, please don't put that out because we were young. We were twenty eight at the time. Ship that she said,

mind you, this is battle rap ship. This is the reason why I'm bringing it up. I never brung it up in anybody else, like you know, the shock value. And she was saying ship like and she was saying but again she was saying Brooklyn, ship that mine have not shouldn't, might have not should have been aired out on us. But she felt like but she felt like Kim did that with mob D. So she just kept going in and then and then and I ain't gonna I'm telling me this. The last verse that we picked

was the least amount of disrespect. I mean, and people listen, Wars that have changed it because of you saying that. No, she changed because of faith because we could we didn't have that listen kind of the heart to say fox change the verse. She looked at her face and she was like, and that third verson when she kicked it, it was like, damn and the only thing the third the third verse is crazy. I remember when he showed it to me when it before it ever came out

of hip factory. He showed it damn memories great and I was and you was. He was like, listen to this and I was like, oh, this is crazy, but mind you, this is with t Rex was sliming. This happen. But help me, help me out, Help me out, math, help me out. I want you to tell me was I naive? Was I stupid? Or was I being fair? Naive? Stupid or being fair? That's your three choices. Cast can't you remember because you chose naive, stupid or being fair? I knew this verse what it was. I chose to

continue to let it go out? Did you picked the lightest verse? I picked the lightest verse, and I also called puff Daddy, and I also called also she picked the light is verse at No, I don't know so she you had three differ version I had ninety. Okay,

so you so you you condensed it. Excuse me, let me let me describe it better, because it was three different versions of it, Like she did one boom, and we called out different that would do another one bone and then she had one that she was already broke. And I believe she gave you the good, the bat and the hugly Yeah, and you decided what you wanted to pick. I like you, I like your style. Yeah, And and she left it up to you. Damn, I feel like you're throwing it back on me. She was

just the show. If the one that you released was the lightest one, it was the leadest, lightest lights. But I can't lie to you. That was a dramatic session. It was electric because mind you, we did have be for Mark deep not at that time. At that time me and markteep is great. But as a people who have bet from you before, you always want to It's being honest, that's the crazy thing about it, because I

know y'all feeling the same way. We feel the same like this my no, I yet did not let me just be close, just clear, we really clearly squassed to be for MARKTEP. But when Fosse came, I can't lie to you and she shipped that. I was like, can I say something, this is watching, this is why people watch. We can potentially editor I mean, there's no reason, there's no reason to edit it. But when he showed me the verse, he's you said this is crazy, and you

looked at me. You were like and I was like, oh shit, this goes crost some ship and you still like you still got every version. I knew that we were witnessing history right there as well. Y'all just want to post one version on my youtubet. I'm so cool with Kim and Foxy that is that. I can't ever let that happen. But I will never let my memory die. But you know what's crazy, But this is why battle Rapp exists. That's a fantasy for us, even even the

rappers that we watched throughout the years. It's like, okay, you top five that are alive. It's a fantasy in our minds, like if you battle such a such one thing that maybe a little different is in y'all league. I feel like everyone like this is um. I asked me whether I asked, uh, Adrian Brauner and I asked Danny Garcia and I said, yo, do you never look at people like your friends? And they said never? And to me, that's how I think like battle rappers look.

I feel like battle rappers look at other artists and say he's never my friend. No, no, I'm gonna tell you. And and for boxes is probably the same way. After you fight, y'all getting closer. After after John, I got closer after mad people that are battled, it was like the war is over and we became people Like if he was practicing for a battle, he would call me and be like, yo, what you think it is? You know what I mean? So for them they couldn't because

people are allow that. Yeah, But in battle rat that's what it is. You're usually right after your last bar on the last bar, spit. It's like a weight lifted off. It's really like it's like boxing, like after boxing after that from bell ring, you guys, really you got locked out? Okay, that's very If you got locked out, it's gonna hurt get knocked out. And they had to shake your hand after that. But jeez, man, your math i'mnna be honest with you. Man. I was so excited. Man, I'm really

still excited. Huh. Quick time slip? All right, you're ready? Quick time? What's slive? I'm gonna free stylid quick time of slove. It's one or the other. I'm gonna give you one choice or the other. All right, Okay, are you ready? What's the time hove? I'm for both crazy nos Ezy e Zynickire, Cardi B. They're gonna hate me Cardi B. Little Wayne Drake Drake. I love Little Wayne, but that boy got a different type of ambition. Okay, murder much loaded, locks, move, I killed, move though facts,

bust the rhymes or busting. You're missing, y'all. I ain't gonna lie yo lost man, wait, I see how Look I was like, whoa, I got home voice? That do that for like for a living there, Like they try to find that chick. They work out, they do all that, but they're really trying to find that chick missing what I'm just saying, let me see it, see it right? More power to you. The fate of the balding, like

the balding wins. Tattoos are plane depending on what kind of lifestyle you into me, Okay, ass or titties ash okay, finger popping or air ticket. It's the last slide, right, what to do? Holy fret? Why you drinking water right now? And out? Let's do one water? It's lima water. Yeah, I feel like there's something else in there. Don't drink what else? There? Where? Are we going to Coyo Taco? Now? Let's gonna whatever? I thought? What happen? You want to go to Kyo? I've been to you with Coyo Taco

in the little private room. It's a little crazy, and I'm like Brott taking me bro You ever been in a crivate room with Happin't got a little dive bar that it's a little it's a little crazy. You don't want to dive ball like it's a little dirty. It's sleazy. No, they got weird nights, weird nights, different nights. What you meant night? They got a reggae night and techno night, a different nights. Okay, it's it's it's because you gotta

be careful, but just it's something about Miami. Miami. You can go to any party you want, but you gotta be careful because you might not want to be at a party. So you gotta be careful. Just like New York, dough New York. You can pretty much recognize from the Timberland. No, no, no, no Timberlands. I can recognize from anywhere. If I go to Manhattan, there's no Timberlands, and there, I already know what's going on when I see lofus, already know, already know.

I pretty much know. When people don't got no socks on and they're not Dominican, I'm like, oh ship. If they're Dominicant, I don't, I don't be along. But if they got no socks on it, they're not like you know, like your Alfred and Todd. I'm watching you. Alfred, give your speech. Give your speech. Give the speech. Alfred and Todd and Tod. This is just buddies. You gotta make it. I didn't make it out for the Todd. It's very watch the negas. I then pulled out guns on these

days like solo solo. Let's take it a picture. Moly, moly, guacamo it. Y'all want to say shout out to Noriega. Yes, I committed so much crime to his music. Oh man, but Math, I just want to figure you up Math one more time. Man, you're an honorable person. You're a real person. I watched you for years. I watched you take the stairs. A lot of people take the elevators, got people take the escalators, elevators, escalator, as long as you get up, it's not you don't understand it. Cars.

I mean escalator. You know it was. That's not escalate. That's not called escalator. Everybody know the elevator is much faster. I've seen you take the steps. Facts. Facts. No elevator went down because they didn't want to see me. The escalators and escalators in the state, I've seen them. Ships go to other way for you. You know what, I seen you stand tall and for that. Everybody here Shimira, everybody and dudes with off Germany, Shamira, everybody in Sydney, Australia.

Shamra floating right now. I'm just shaming places. Shanghai, that tip whatever that everybody in Tokyo, Japan, I've been Okinawa, You've been. It's been as it was the St. Peter Bird that was the most Brazilace. You've been the most brazier places. And they looked at you and said you're not even white because you hear a white Beard on the Spiritual, but they knew I was cubinga you. Cuban being was the first time I can't like Cuban man. Reason like a little bit, but man, I cannot conclude

this podcast. I cannot create this podcast without saying how much I admire what you did from being you do just a rapper to a battle rapper, to a blackber that makes songs. And even one time you try to offer me to write this man, Rob, I say, Man, you gotta relax. He was like yo, he I was like, I was just I just felt like, how right rounds for her? You gotta relax. I'm in a studio with you. I love me. Try to ma. I don't know, man,

but I expected that. I expected that. But let me just say something from you being regular artist battle artists to rapper to a person doing the music and continue to do what you gotta do and through this all, throughout this all, when everybody's like battle wrap is, it's gone. Whatever.

He created this show that I personally tune in as much as I can shout the misfit because I'm just like, I like, that's exactly what I need, Like I need forty five to an hour, like what happened, That's what happened, all right? Cool Boom. If it's one fifteen, I'll just I'll press pause, and I know I'll go back whenever I go back to Boom, and I do it. And I really really appreciate how you cover battle Rap, how you are a person from battle Rap and you are

the new foodball you are for them. You're you're flill them, after them, for them and them be them. And guess what, I want to support that clothing line. I'm want to smoke that watch line when you put it on the hat most of whatever you do, because you know why, if it's coming from you, I want me and percent respect it. I want me and I want a man in percent know that it's coming from a real, genuine place.

And I'm gonna say that behind your back. I've been saying it behind your back, and it makes me a sucker not to tell it to you in fund your face picking a picture, say I killed that. I ain't gonna lie I killed that. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Chance hosted by Yours Truly, DJ E, f N and n O R E. Please make sure

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