Episode 203 w/ Jaz-O

crazy Royal radio drink chaps, yappy y'all. Motherfucker. Look dude, how are you gonna do? Makes up? Right now? When you talk about one of the originators, one of the people that has been there, still still this test of time, still ill here, monkey foot in the game, got an ill distribution deal right now, we're gonna get into all of that. I'm getting into how they got there. But the man has been doing it. He's frong. We've seen him. The first time I've seen New York niggas in London

is with him. First time I see New York city, niggas go something where other than even from ship even I see them in Virginia. That was like Jesus, that was like, you know, that's Virginia was like fucking Jamaica. Like I thought you needed a passport to go to Virginia at that time. Like the man has been true to hip hop, has been one of the most lyrical guys here. I've seen him. I'm kicking Rome the other

day and he still got it. But the beautiful thing about is the relationship that you know, you know from from the beginning and and you know even the termorial to now where they at. I um, I what is that applaud that I commend that I loot that you know what I'm saying to see where they are, and the fact that people from Title's going hard for this. I was really, I really think that's commendable. Man, you know what I'm saying all these years. But in case

you don't know what we're talking about, motherfucking jazz. So one thing about googled you right, you had you had you have a neighbor um Eric Oliver. Yeah, Eric, that was the first person to tell you should write away. Did your research money because you know, why that name is. Listen to what I said. I said, that's a director's name in my mind, like that's just sound like somebody who's gonna direct Bad Boys five and Ship but ahead. So so, how does the person come up to you

and says, yeo, I think you should write a ride? Well, you know basically, um And how old were you when when he said this ship? Well he was about he was about nine, so I was I was like yeah. And it was around the time where you know they was, you know, taking the electricity from the light pole having you know, so you know he got the music out, just cat Lenney Morgan from the building every time they had the music out, Like I think, it was just crazy.

He's just he was good, good, crazy, you know what I'm saying. He just run through the lane. So I'm like, jo, they got the music out, they got the music out. So yes, that's exactly so um So Eric Oliver actually lived on the fifth floor. I lived on the sixth floor and six park at and his mother and my mother were very very good friends. So one day he was like, man, yo, you see how they'd be rhyming on the mic. You know you should rhymb on the mic just like that. I was like making out on

my face. You know, He's like, I'm telling you, I'm telling you the mic. I bet you kid. So he did the reverse psychology ship on me. I bet you can't. Yeah, so can you remember the guys that were rhyming on the mic that he was telling you should be like them? Uh, way way back then, if you were a DJ, you more than likely you were an MC two. When you've

got somebody back then, back then the DJ. But I wouldn't be here, it wasn't I remember like actually actually being like the second like that's why Eric B and Rock Kemp right right, but continue to continue. Yeah, so he you know, so he did the reverse psychology ship on me. So you know, my ego got the best of me. And so I wrote an eight ball run and he was like, yo, you should say that you should do this, this down and the other. So you know, I kept it quiet, you know, but secret you know,

secretly I was right more. I saw ascribing more ship. So um, then it happened that, um we went Red Hook Projects and uh, one of my boys are Ronald Henley. He's calling ron do. Um. We used to always go and because his uncle Mango. Everybody got to have a nicker name wrong dude, Like, if you're from the front, you don't have a nicker name. Wrong. Ex don't ye like this. We're going let's go there. So so Uncle so Uncle Mango. You know, he used to do house

parties a thing else. So one night we went out the Red Hook and he was doing a house party. So I, man, Ron put me on the spot. He was like, yo, don't you be rhyming and ship. I was like, now, I don't really be rhyming and ship, but I was. He was like, go ahead, man, because you know how the house party was set up, the DJ set up was in the bedroom and everybody was in the living room, you know, and they had the extension call all that ship. So anyway, so I started,

I started rhyming. Then we started hearing the reacts and they're like whoa. My head said like I got two three more. So I just went at it and that's what really started it. So what what you um was that prior to you going to Virginia going to college or that was after that? Was that was before? Okay? Okay, so you was in college already and you must have been like man, uh because but at that time, I'm gonna be honest and I'm sorry for Virginia people. But at that time, if you was from New York, he

was like from Brazil. Like we was excited to Virginia and boredom are because like we had to slang. So it must have been like good for you out there in Virginia. Most definitely, most definitely. Um I went to um Old Domenion University for two years, and um, I really I really went to college for my mom and for my grandmother because I damn sure wasn't going for myself. I didn't want to go. You know what I'm saying. I was, I was, I was in the street. You know,

I wanted to rhyme. I wanted to do everything is said. You know what they said right like somewhat because like I went through your good thing is I was sick yesterday, so I had a great long time to to stay in the bed and just go through your ship. Is that when you get your vocal vocabulary from Is that something that helped it was going to college or something like that, or um I think you had that prior. Yeah,

it was my mom. Okay, we'll be honest, yeah, it was my mother because like, um, I told his story before, but like she used to always, um, just introduce new words to me, like um, like one day I was either five or six and I was being silly and she was like, oh, Johnny, you're being so facetious. I was like, you know what's like? So you know, and I and she already knew I was very inquisitive, so I always asked her like what does that mean? How do you use with you know everything? So it just

went on like that. So I always and she knew I was gonna I was gonna dive in because I was always asking her questions anything. Like I used to ask a ship like what does nothing look like? You know what I'm saying? And she said and she'd be like, and I was five, I was yeah, yeah, that's it blown me away right now? What does nothing look like? Wow?

That's you think that's what makes artists? Because so many people right right UM, I don't remember who exactly it was, but it was like high school dropout, right and then everyone kind of like at that moment, like especially in the eighties, nineties, early nineties, everyone was claiming that there was high school dropouts. But now, now, if you would pay attention to that, this generation, those high school dropouts of our generation, that generation has made the dumbest children ever.

For this generation. You're not sorry, but you understand, do you do you feel like we fail them? Like we are direct the Senate because when you hear these niggas right nowadays, you're like, damn, they definitely didn't go to miss Ebanks class. Definitely studies. I think, yeah, yeah, I think that. Um, I think that we we we are definitely a part of the failure, but we were sort

of like an knowing part of the failure. I think that the failure or if you want to call it, that, it was a gradual thing over over really like decades, you know, decades of us um you know, becoming um, you know, coming to the cities, you know, coming from self destruction to drink something like yeah, because I mean we you know, when I came out, you know, I was talking about Islam. You know what I'm saying, black unity exactly. And it's just crazy like somebody said it, like, um,

I saw it on Facebook. Actually what they said. Um. You know, in the in the late eighties and nineties, you know, you had the um. You had the the rappers who really talked about being drug dealers down us and crowded it though flip like like a right cool. Not to compare them to crackheads, but our day not to compare themself. So good, you just compared, you know, I'm sorry, right, So what I'm saying in our day, crack was the ship. Hold on, let me finish it out.

What I mean is this ship and only assholes was actually smoking smoking it, like at first when it first came out, and motherfucker smoked in motherfucker's and because you know it was cocaine, was cool at first, and then mother smoke crack. And then when people feel like you're a victim, you're fucking you're addict. It has songs. We had mirrors in the hood, crack kills all this. That is the exact opposite. They have mirrors in the hood with people with double cups, and they have mirrles in

with people with percocet, and like that. It's perpetuate that I never listened. I have a lot of nerves because I'm sitting here with all this alcohol with a blood in my hand, and I'm about to open some ace of Spade. But what I'm saying, I hadn't I never hip hop, well dumb will be just dumb, like and don't I don't want to say that dumb because the kids there's a lot of dope artists, but the kid these kids, Um, I'm making great money and I got

to salute that. But I'm saying when I say dump dump the content being so dumbed down that you know what I mean, like, um, do you think that that that we would be at this level of hip hop? Na is crazy? Yeah, And I got to say this, and I say it often like you know, um, as far as the skills set and the you know, the basic like the level is far set in the ball as far as like songs and stuff like. But I mean, yeah, that niggas that was trash back when of course, you

know what I'm saying. So a lot of people, you know, they want to rally the troops and say, like, you know, this was the Golden Age and everything that came out was crazy hot and now everything is everything is trash And that's not the case. I mean, it's you got that ship regardless, you know. But there's a difference, like the differences that you're talking about, And it's the amount of artists to now because everybody could be an artists because they could record their crib and it's just like

you have millions of arts. Before there was a funnel. You got to get in the studio, you had someone to put your man's on into the label and then they put you out. It's limited were now everybody's an artist. Right now. I'm just bouncing around because that's what we're doing.

Drink chance down now. One of the things I would have I want to ask, it's like when when Jay and Nas was going through that right and there's a certain time and I believe he said from Hawaiian Sophie Fame or something like that, how did that make you feel? Because I don't know how. I just how did they make it? It was awkward, But it was awkward because um, I was accused of, you know, giving Nas information. It's like, yeah, yeah, I thank you for keeping it real and and me

and No, we didn't talk like that. You know, we had great Paul, but we didn't you know, we didn't talk. Um. So I was accused of that because people were saying, like people in the circle, they were saying like well how did he know this? How did he know that? I was like, he saw it, you know what I'm saying. You know, when I was signed the e M I, um, we did a college So, by the way, the first hip hop artist signed to just say that, just skip over, we don't get it. That's the first hip hop artist.

Chili Peppers and niggas like that, right, were different niggas deal at all. Like we'll get to that, but let's go into the wow. Okay. Yeah, So you know it was a situation whereas um, you know, they said, well, how did he know all that? And I was like, well, you know, we want a college store. Like he didn't. He didn't stay on the tour, but you know, he came out for main sorts. He came out, you know, for large professor when they did exactly. So we went

in Norfolk State. That's where I'm met now, you know what I'm saying. And he got on stage and they did the song and you know, me and J was standing there. Me was like, yeah, this dude, he's gonna be something, you know what I'm saying. Like that, we we went analysts that like that's how we did everything, Like we watched everything, but so I lost my thought. Yeah he was the accused of giving Yeah, so that's

just pretty good. Yeah, so I was accused of that, and I didn't give him any information, like and I mean no, because I mean everybody who really knew me, they know I ain't that type of you know what I'm saying. And if I got something to tell you that you may not like, I feel that in the greater or or in the big picture. If it's something that I feel it's beneficial to your well being, I'm tell you anywhere. You ain't gotta like me. I don't need you to like me. I don't give a funk.

If I love you, if I care about you, then I care about your well being. You can hate my guts, you know what I'm saying. I don't care. I live with that because I don't. I don't breathe and eat and pay my bills off or whether you love me or that, So I don't need it. What I do need is to be myself and my self determined that

I love everybody. So just to to to go back to that, like, yeah, I was accused of that ship and um, I think in a way that caused a little friction between you know, I was, yes, sort of like the beginning of things. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna get back to that because bounce around, because how did it fail to be um the first person on first hip hop on E M I because now the group now when people say A M if you think of uh, you know, I think Ray Kuan had to deal over there.

Now you think of that. But obviously if you're the first hip I wasn't first from your neighborhood. No, this is first hip hop deal from THEE Yeah, I was the first, same thing. Yeah, so it was It was weird, and you know, I felt like what I was fucking guinea pig when I was like yeah, because they didn't see the thing is this they didn't really know what to do. They just knew like they saw cold chilling at the time they started. They wanted to be involved quiet,

you know, cold chilling and all that other stuff. So they're like, yo, that's popping for them. Let's do the eighties. Yeah eight eight eight mm hmm getting money since eight? What up? What up? So you felt that they didn't understand Now, they didn't understand it all. And and the thing is they I was being promoted and marketed through the Urban Music Department, which actually they called it the

Black Black Music Promotions Department. Yeah so yeah, they weren't even politically correct back then, you know what I'm saying. So so um so yeah it was crazy. Um. After a couple of years, um, a man who you know, he's with me in spirit always and with all of us in spirit, My man Harry Fobbs. Um. He was a close friend j C who used to run we came um so yeah yeah so he so he and I became real cool and you know, he was like, yo, why ain't pushing your music through? I was like, they

don't know what they're doing. He was like, yo, you should ask some money. And I was like, damn, that ship is real crazy, but that ship makes a lot of sense. So I, you know, I inquired and they were like, you know, having come up. So he came up. They interviewed them, you know, none of that corporate paperworkship was like you won't. He became a and all. Unfortunately a few months after that he passed. Oh god, bless Yeah shout that Harry FIBs. I know you hear me,

bro bless God bless. So Um and then Hawaiian Hawaiian Sophie. Let's get to the actually making that record. Did that go to Hawaii for the video? Oh? Man, my childhood? Right, it was like right, that was ahead. But you know, I guess, you know, I guess that was they were in the process, you know, cleaning that money and ship. You know how they're doing. You know, you know, you go right the house over exactly, and that's exactly what

they did. But I mean, I think it turned out great. Um, they showed a lot of support and what they did and what they were aware of, you know, so I appreciate officially the first jay Z was ever on like like like video yeah, and like a video music box for everything. It's first like vidual got there makes some noise for jazz like that. When he could technically say I discovered jay Z. He could do it. He can

do It's not people can say that. I can say that now, can you has something to do early on with you guys to write because was it you who linked up with Kine and then you broke him around? Oh this is what happened. So this we're gonna we're gonna throw queens in the mixt Okay, let's let's get it, you know what I'm saying. So, um, shirt Kings, Oh, that's goddammit, that's you know, you know, Nice couldn't I couldn't afford shirt Kings back then. But let's go, yeah

that was the young back then. Ye. But but Nike from the Shirt King's Nike actually lived around the same way that Jay did. So what happened was, Um, I was coming home from from college after those two years, you know, I basically dropped out of that ship. So Nike found out, you know that I was back, you know,

in Brooklyn, you know. So I guess he had a heated discussion with somebody else because they were talking about this young cat that's supposed to be nice and and everybody, and then, um, you know, Nike was like, I think it ain't nicer than Jazz, Jazz and nice Nika period, point blank. Boo boo boo. You know what I'm saying. So they were going back and forth. It was like, well, let's find out. So he set up he set up the meeting, you know, and that's when me and Jay

first met. So I say that, you know, we had like a um, you know, rhyn first Jay was like and then he rhym and I was like, you know what I'm saying. And he was the first he was the first person that I ever heard Rohm exactly. So I was like, yeah, you know, I gotta I gotta keep eyeing on him, you know what I mean. So so to fast forward that Nike was like the Yeah, he was like a broker for all of this, you know, putting people together type of ship. So you know, I

guess Kane was getting some ship. You know, Kane and a lot of other rap artists of that time before Dad or wasn't before. It was around the same same time. It's just a different you know, different Yeah. So, um, so we had a situation like, um, the same ship came up with Kane and me like, no, I came just just that you looked like Nick ain't better in the jazz. You know, he was always screaming that then it ain't better the jazz. So so he set it up. Um.

I don't know if you guys remember Fresh Gordon. Fresh Gordon, he was a producer. He produced some stuff for the Fat Boys. He had a deal with Tommy Boy. Um, I'm gonna tell you another side story about what he's what he should be more known and recognized for. But anyway, so, um so Nike basically set up the meeting. So it was supposed to be a battle again, but you know in this came, this is eight and a half stepping came. Yeah, this big daddy came. He came, came already and ship. Yeah, okay,

let's go, you know. But so he said, so night set that up and we all met at Fresh Cards Crib and we did this. We did this little I guess back then you call it a mix tape, you know what I'm saying. So we recorded that and from then on, like we all, we all just became cool, you know, because um it was supposed to be a battle. But Jay was there and you know j and no like should he be rhyming ut this that? I'm like, come on, man, like if this means you, let's go.

So we just did it, you know, Gordon, he ten minutes, whipped up a beat. We just made a record. Yeah it wasn't a but it's like I'm going to be yeah, I'm doing yeah. Yeah. So we started and we we established a relationship from them, you know, being Jay's go out to Queen's check on Kane and he started he you know, he started coming to Brooklyn and he was in Brooklyn and queens around it and yeah, yeah all from Marcy or you from Mary to or no, yeah,

the race. And I'm source money to correct source money. Yeah, because that's the funniest thing. Right when I was googled yesterday, I was pulling up the thing, it was like it was like almost like the roles is almost reversed, right. Yeah, it was like at one point, you know, he was voicing your opinion, right and you know, got worked out or whatever, and I see it, so I said it, So suce Money interview popped up. So the sce Money interview,

he said, he said your jazz. Oh, and he's talking about you because at the time and then now it's like the roles reversed. Now it's like, you know, you you got business with Jay and you're like, you know whatever, and now it's so much money, like sitting back and he's saying like, oh, Jay didn't do right. I can't really understand what what's going on. So I'm just being honest from the outside of looking in that trying to

do my research. But I could tell there's nothing I can ever get unless I got your brother standing in front of me, what what do you what in your opinion? What do you how can you break that situation? Now? It's very simple, you know, um, one of the greatest axioms I've ever heard is ship happens. Okay. But what you say axioms? They need to take that one? What the fund? Does that mean that I need that from the later text me because I need to use that.

That was hard right now talking at the same time hard. That's hard to make that ship happens okay. But the flip side of ship happens is that people react a certain way. So the thing that's and that's the key to it. Everybody focuses on the ship happens part, but nobody focuses on how do you respond to certain things? So, like you said, similar circumstances, right roles, reverse different responses. Keep it right there, y'all think all of y'all get it, And we need to have some money here to it

to take you know. I'm I'm gonna be honest, I don't know where this rumor started up. We wouldn't that he's been black balled for drinks. Absolutely not true at all. I mean, no one will tell you the tooth. No one in this deal. And we've just because we've only been in this deal, like not even a year. No title, everybody tell you the truth. The first people Title has ever called for is deal. Yeah. They never asked for somebody to be on and someone not to be on

that never they have, never the first time. That's why I was impressed. I was like, this is dumb. I was like, you know what, me knowing the history because that's something I would like to do for trash something you know, Trash actually put me on. You know what I'm saying. We had our descriptancies and we still have our descriptcy. I'll still seeing ship and be like this

nigg is out of his mind, but he's mama. And I was like, that's that's real ship because it's one thing that you're doing business and it's a whole another thing that's to reach out and make ship happen. And that, to me, I have to applaud that. Let's applaud that. You know, it's a flawed that. But now now, because now where does the original flavor come in? They come

in with Dame dash. Oh, that's why they hall of Names right right, okay, and actually yeah but actually um Ski is from North Carolina, but he was he was living in Harlem. So hold on, that's that's that's not totally different, completely different is different? Yeah yeah, ok yeah, yeah yeah yeah. See that's where Dame Dash comes in. That's because probably to that there was no Dame that there was no bigs right when you and okay, all right, so this is this is good ship. It's good ship

for hipoply Gas. So yeah, so, um so actually one of your previous guests, um Clark Kent, introduced Dame Dash to Jay and then me and the rest of us and give you a little uh something. Y'all might not have known that. Um, the whole set up originally was for Jay, myself and Sauce. We were a group and we actually the name of the group, yeah, Paul's hard Pack,

hard Pack. There was a game in Miami careed hard Packs. Okay, so that I was about to ask you with you and j ever a group too, what was it the originators? A no, no, that was just the record. Yeah yeah, but hard pack. Let's take it from the hard Pack. I like it. So so we did about we did about I know, I'm gonna get calls behind. Um. So we did about we did about six or seven songs together. Um and uh, you know, Clark produced something, Ski produced

a couple. I produced a couple. And just to be clear again, so everybody knows it's Jay Sauce money and you Yeah, that's hard pack. Yeah, I just want to make sure. So Jay Z gotta relax. Just black his face out for the rest of the evers. It's not gonna be that hard. Just stop. I'm not doing it

for you. Uh So. So, UM, there were slight descraping seeds as far as like, um, you know, the decision was sort of made that you know, Dane would would manager, so he wanted everybody to sign and um to Rocket Feller to Dane, to Dame's management, like to sign to him his management, and everybody didn't want to do it. You know, I didn't feel like I should do it. It had nothing to do with um my report with Dane, you know what I'm saying. It was just something that

I felt didn't do. Yeah, and I think at that time Sauce felt the same way. So that's what happened with that. But um, but yeah, that was the that was the beginning of that, Clark uh introduced all of us. You guys had records though, is that six right? I wouldn't say records, I'd say recordings. Where they are? I don't know wherever they are? Police surface, Yeah, I got yeah, you know if you like ster Rynds, Buster Rounds got DA's from eight. Do you ever hang out with Busting

round your listen? He is crazy? He having the he'd be having the old school dats. I'll be wanting to say, yo, how the fund? Do you even remember where he sent his at like I'm doing. You never seen? He has the rails, he has everything. But I'm sorry to cut you off. No, no, it's cool, it's cool. So you don't know what these records exists at all? No, Yeah, some engineer is somewhere like this, somebody whatever. So it just didn't make for a good joke. You know, that's

the hard packer. I definitely definitely that's hard man, that's hard. That's hard. But um so now this London trip, right, it's so it's so iconic because we get to hear Jay even talk about like him going to London or whatever, but ironically this London trip he actually went with you. He was like, so came you to describe that for the people, because the people, I mean, that's dope when they see j and the Beama and it's like his history. But it's it's it's it's it's dope and it's humbling

to know that that. When I found out, I was like, it was actually a trip that jazz oh from Jay So so you could describe that. Yeah, So it was the um you know, it was I don't know. I don't well, I know why. I just don't want to bro you know, do that to people. But we we went to London to record my album, so it was myself, J and RV Gotti and still the m R. Yeah, this was yeah, this was Goody told us that it was so yeah, so we um. So we were there for like two months. EARV got homesick, he broke out

and we stayed. But it was it was a very good experience. Besides the food, you didn't know how to eat rot back there. I couldn't find a rollti. They wouldn't take us to it. They wouldn't take us to Brixton because photographers from London. Yeah, my first time, that's the first thing they said they said, go see the roster them and I went straight to the roster on them. Now they told us, they told us go to the studio because they know, you know what I'm saying, go

to the studio. We went to the y you know sometimes you know, play some ball and back. You know. I did have a flat in this affluent area somewhere. I don't know where the hell we were, but we were living good. But uh so, um that that was.

That wasn't a very great experience. It was. I couldn't believe it, and I really I really couldn't grasp what was going on until I had an actual um release uh celebration shan you know, uh you know really for the completion of the album in London, and we were in a Cadillac stretch, which was almost like having a Bentley stretch at that time. Here that was a ghost you know what I'm saying. So basically, um, then it

hit me. I was like I'm doing it, you know, because the whole time it's just like regular ship on me Irvan j We clowning around ship. We go to this this restaurant every Wednesday and we run into all types of people that's coming through like I'm at Anita Baker out there, Keith Sweat came out there, George duke Man Live forever, um. So yeah, so it was it was a great experience. But that's when I realized I was like, oh, oh, this ship is real hip hop and go it could really go exactly now you fort

to have jay Z on your cover? This is your album? What made you? What made you say that? Like, Yo, that's that's who? Then are you saying yeah, Like I wasn't the label. This is what I heard. The label was like, what this is your album? You should be on here solo? And what I heard you said that this is what I want to do. But I just want to hear from your mouth, like is that was

my bro? You know? And I felt like, let's make some noise f man ship the real ship and I st me stop you because poison't doing that at the time. I you've seen it with Ray and Ghosts, right, Yeah, you didn't know that came from here, that this was. That was the first time someone put like every now and then these pody see somebody with their HOMEBOARLD, their dancers or their dances or somebody like that. You never see somebody d D but was in a group together.

First I've ever seen the artists have another artist on their couple. What's this? This is? This is the first time. I don't know if I'm you know, and I don't remember. I didn't remember. I remember you being the first one. Yeah, that's all I remember. Goddam, I remember I got there. Okay, So here just the three years agree where I was just asking, like, what made you want to do that? Like you know what I mean, that's just who I am. Man, I can't help it, Like you know, I'm not it.

You know, it's intellect behind it. It's like he deserved it. And I felt like, damn all this bullshit I gotta go through or that I went through to get to that point. You know, he shouldn't have to go through that, you know what I'm saying. So if I can make it easy show his face and everybody like, well, what does he do this time? I was like, she wrong, you know, And so I basically that was just how it was. You know, I didn't have I didn't have

like a steady DJ. So I was like, you know, and I could be on here by myself, but that's not that's just not how I feel about myself. And I feel like, you know, our greatest value is our value too up. Yeah, I'll you know whoever you whoever, you express yourself too, and you know that to me, that's your value. And I just that's what I was just compelled to do, and I told I fought for it. I was like, Yo, that's my man. And it's like, you know, you're gonna have problems if he ain't on

them on the album, least on the back. They didn't put him on the front, but on the back, it's like, y'all gonna have problems. I'm not gonna cooperate and you already gave me money. Let's let's salute to that man. Come on, that'slute. That expect that meet a lot, like a lot of them, tell your something. I know I said it off camera, but I had to meet you a lot that saying diego. I still haven't stopped shipping from that from nine years ago, my bro because to

my boy cows. But I ain't gonna front. That's how quiet taste, right. I think a rapper mixes brand as a matter of fact, the rapper from the West. I think it's something that shot I got, I got a shot at me. I want to that's not gonna happen. That is not gonna happen, Sarah, We're gonna do a shot. Come on, let's do a shot something. I'll tell you. I gotta take my swetter off now to compone. You know, a Cossi clothing. Jesus, you know what I'm saying. I

gotta support your homie. So um, alright, it's gonna start sweating. We gotta start remember learning how to make sweaters without the ship that stick to your ship. I just put this shot on one time. Come on, remember there, it's limited now, there's no more, no more time, especially with the corona of virus. Ship got the stretcher, right, So listen, let me just tell you something. I don't know if you know, but our show is about bigging all legends up,

you know, every other every other culture. When you have ten years or more, they call you season. There's people right now getting seventy years old, having contracts and touring the mother phone world and continue, and they call them season. And our culture. No other culture is a word called washed up. Only our culture. And I fucking hate that

me personally. I want to I want to say that we are legends and we are superheroes, and we're going to continue to motherfucking keep our legends and our superheroes alive and keep your motherfucking relevant. That's what this show was about. So we celebrate your life, we celebrate your legacy, and we celebrate your career. And that's what the fun Job said. So little old Sunny you got a shot? Why you got the shot there today? I hope I

got a stretch over there for you. We just drink virus the way you gave me the broken Yeah, let's let's stop with the coronavirus. That's it too close in my hood? Yeah, that's it was late. That's called tiger bones. Actually it's actually a herb. It's actually not supposed to be many herbs. It's not just one. Yeah yeah, but you see one shot. That's we're supposed to do it. So now now the rumor is, you know you want you want jail, you're good Originators drop one of the

illest records. First, I'll subscribe that, like, because this is the first time you see your man like like he's shining and then he comes and he puts you on. Originators is that how that or I'm missing a couple of things. No, No, it was we you know, it was during that that time and you know he was bubbling and uh, you know, I guess the idea came up, and I think that, um, they felt it inappropriate to do a song like that, and it would be, um, it would just be bigger to have me on song.

Oh you know what I'm saying. Um, so you know, love is love and you know he called me, I'm actually I'm actually writing a book, um that that gives the account, you know, the backstory to all the events leading up the student. You gotta have a script to that book. Well, actually it's it's gonna be. Um, it's a volume of um what I foresee as numerous volumes, and it's basically gonna be like an analyzation of some of my landmark versus and gives lessons in poetic license

like MoDiP is similarly metaphors. That's the right time to say that, you know, because we want to tell you, because the right time to do ship like that, because content if you produce that ship or you produce it and just you know what he's saying the book right now that like me personally, I'm not a read book a round. You know what I'm saying, Like watched the Ship out of something, though you watched I watched the ship and watch my next movie wait more than I

read your books. But I love the book to man. Listen. I'm not in the audio books yet. Okay, I'm not into it yet. I feel like I'm gonna get into it eventually, but I feel like I gotta go back to reading some more. I'm reading Message to the Millennials. UM's it Islam came he um, and he gave me a book. I read the front praise today. I felt good, um yeah, but then I realized the color. Yeah I read. I read that. I read the one page and then I read the back. I said stuck start start started,

and we yeah yeah. So okay, so what what what? What? All right? What is your favor it thing in hip hop? Is it making the record or performing the record? Mm hmm ma. That's that's a tough one. But I will I will say performing the record. And the reason why I say that is because it's you well know, yeah, yeah, how do you know what works exactly? You're gonna stand in the way, but you know, as we all know everybody doesn't really perform to the same extent as they're recording.

So to me, it's sort of like a crown achievement when you could get on stage and you could give it up the same way that ship sound on the record. You know what I'm saying, it's special and it's special and it's unique because everybody can't do it. You know,

everybody can't do it. So like I've always prided myself on that on breath control, like all the technical ship that you know, nobody gives a funk about when they listen to a record, like, oh that ship banging when it's in the club, and just do the other on his riding music. That's all they're thinking about. That's all they're supposed to think about. Your job is to do all of the other things, the intangibles that make the record what it is that makes them not think about

any of that ship. You know, that's that's ill because that's you know again, you know, I could take this young generation because I have to write. And that's the difference between their music and all music is you can tell we didn't punch in. You can tell we didn't have the technology the technology to go, you know, stop this, and that's why you see these guys, they all they flows and going like this, and it's it's not that they're going, which is exactly that's imps. And that was

my next question. It's ever been somebody who was scared to say I don't I don't want to perform after him? Oh hell no, never, never, never ever got to make some noise for that. I mean on stage, stage, stage, stage, okay, club, I don't give a funk. You're that confidence, I'm jazz. Oh right right right after the way this, I gotta ask you that right now you're getting a record withhold. Right now, you're taking whole head off. I ain't trying to take his head off. I'm saying that you ain't

trying to take his head off. You just playing. But now he's gonna he's gonna put his best foot forward and put my best foot forward. I got. I got great confidence in myself and I got great confidence in him. And you know, I've told people like it's like y'all think is sleeping, like you know, like it's it's so crazy like for what we here, like he's still that far beyond the nine percent. How you know what I'm saying, and you gotta you gotta respect it. And and now

that's one thing I did for see. I was like, as long as he maintains his normal health and everything like that, he's gonna be able to go. You're gonna always be able to go. And you know, Nigga is young, middle age old whatever, like they still like I hear stuff I don't. And I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't really listen to too much ship. I barely listened to my own ship. And like, I don't really

see nobody you know, fucking with him like that. And if they do, they need to turn off all of the auto tune and the super punchings and all that other ship. We don't have no punch of Like, so what timing was off is like, nah, I gotta do that. You don't remember that ship eighteen pounds right? And it was crazy. I used to be in D and D where they had like, um, you know, they had sessions where they had like you know, house music and ship

like that. So you know these little parts where Nigga's going Nigga with the motherfucking um raised the blade yea, Like I saw this one cat I can't remember his name. He had like if somebody, if somebody slammed the door, like he probably killed him. But because he had, like yo, I'm telling you, they had like thirty little slithers that he had lined up that he had to take, you know on as an edit you know, to do some

ill last crazy you know. You know. That's what I'm saying when these kids be like I did, I did the record that like it sounds like you did, Yo. I think I sit in five minutes. I know you put no affort at all, and your engineer didn't care. Just aside, like they just aside. The engineer said, D and D shout out to Premiere. You work with Premiere, right, Oh, most definitely. Yeah, you know, I'm just you know, I'm just saying it for the Premiere produce one of the

jay Z disc records. This is awkward. Let's just be clear. I mean that we got to talk about it, I believe, so that's popped up so as I don't know, because like I said, you had so many beach you just go yeah, and then I don't really really kid man, like I was, I was more listening to that stuff like I would listen less to anybody else. If I was tracking ship, I would be tracking who was listening

to my ship? You know, however that sounded, it is what it is, and what was the actual discrepancy because everyone when you when you google, like I said, I had to do my research, and it's great that I was like kind of like, you know, out of it yesterday, so I had all the time to keep going. And one of the stories it says, um that it was over a contract. Nay. The truth of the matter is, and I hate to burst a lot of people's bubble,

but it really wasn't anything. It was between the media and certain crab as bullshit weak motherfucker's in the circle. That was basically it, you know, saying saying certain things like all right, I give you example, like like um, and I'm not, I'm not I'm not boosting myself. I'm not. I'm not saying this egotistically, but I'm I'm sincere to a fault sometimes because I give people too much credit.

So like if somebody says something or they'll say it to me and they're disgrunted about something, and then it's like, all right, that's confidential. I respect it. You know what

I'm saying. So then if somebody, if you turn around and the same person that said that to me goes to the person and and they say something about me and then say and try to fix what they said, and then the person that they're talking to comes back to me, then I gotta let it go because the same thing you're asking me to do, you ain't do it. You just you you know what I'm saying. You just

let that ship loose. So it's like, nah, I'm not gonna do it to the point where I'm gonna take a blow for you and make myself look a certain way. So it's like I'm gonna give it up. You know what I'm saying. This is what happened, is what happened. You can put the nigga on the phone right now, I'm and say the same ship that I'm saying in your face right now. So I'm sincere to a fault. And I think a lot of niggas around that time in that circle, they ain't like that. They ain't like that.

And then you know some of them niggas, it was just bitch ass niggas. They just wanted to be closer to this dude, and they knew that there was nobody closer to him than me because we was bros. You know what I'm saying, And that you know, that's just that was that's it. That was just it. I don't want to name names because I don't want nobody coming at me and then I gotta hurt somebody, somebody hurt me. I'm not impervious to paint to to to um injury,

but I am almost yet. But you know, it's it's beautiful. It's beautiful to see men be men, you know what I'm saying. Because the thing about it is they say, how you come in is how you go out? Right. If you come in, you come in butt nicking, and how you go out you go out. But Nick, and the thing is if you can, you know, make amends of the people you started with and y'all can get some money together and do some business together, that's a beautiful thing. So like, how did that like how did

that comes seen? The first picture I believe was with no I d yeah, so um And I don't know I forget where that was that. I figured that first picture in Chicago, Okay, okay, and he's from from from the show so how did that happen? Like, because well there was tell you something, not not the only the

industry was shocked, but they were happy. It's like the first time they was like oh yes, like finally like like you know, all the Jay's discrepancies, we you know, we we can see without but this was something that I think everyone was just like that's dope, Like this is like sincerely a dope thing. Now the business part was later, but let's subscribe that first picture when we've seen it was you j and no idea. This is for years of termoil going on in that boom. This

is it. Yeah. So for um, firstly, there was somebody I was doing some business with in Chicago who's from Chicago. Um, they're actually from Detroit, but they live in Chicago, and you know, one of their main things was to put us together. And I was like that's cool, that's great, but you know, let me let me press the button on that. So they just jumped the gun, and you know, it's like, you know, it's the perfect opportunity. This is that and the other. So I'm like I'm a half

the least resistance guy, you know what I'm saying. So I was like all right, let's see what happens. You know what I'm saying, I'm not worried. So um so he said he you know, he talked actually talked to uh Emery Jones, so homie. Yeah, so we so we basically he so Emery set it up and um so we got you know, we went to will Call and we met in the green room and it was just regular ship. Like I ain't seen him since last month or something like that. He's like jazz, It's like Jay

was good, you know, handshake, hug. I could literally see this going on, but literally and and and it was it was. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. Um, And I always liked my chances with ships, so I didn't expect any I didn't expect anything negative, you know, because I mean everything was you know, I wouldn't have got that fall if it was you know, something was you know, right.

But um, the beautiful part about it was, Um, he just stood in front of me and you know, I didn't say much, and he didn't say much, but he just went like this, and I was like, that said everything. And I was like that takes me off the hook because now I ain't gotta be awkward and say anything and ship and he ain't gotta say nothing. So we just thought some yes, what you've been up tune? You know, a little ship, you know, nudges and ship like that.

You know, so it was beautiful. Now I ain't gonna lie act the same and just being honest with you like like like like it's it's the smoothness that's with you. It's the same smoothness like you can tell like I knew you weren't gonna yell this whole interview. I like, you know what I'm saying, Like that's like that's the good thing. Like I said, I was just sold exhausted that I don't want to subscribe myself as being sick yesterday, but I was like I was exhausted, But the good

thing was I can still move my motherfucking fingers. So I just kept watching everything like I watched everything about you, like this is the thing is like I get into our when I'm out the interview you, I'm you like that's how much like I want to be in Cotnegro, you know what I mean? And I just knew. And the crazy thing is is that a marsy thing like with y'all y'all, y'alln't blow y'all cool now, It's it's not that because I mean I know a lot of things like I got like, yo, man, chill out, they

just said what's up? But no, I think sometimes, I mean it's an expression of our own egos when you coming into contact with someone and you tend to, um, you know, you have kendred spirits, So you like, I like that, dude, he's cool. You know what I'm saying. It's because you see the things that you like about yourself and somebody else. So I think that has a

lot to do with it. And then around that time up until like for so many years, like we were around each other all the time, so it would be times where somebody would say something and we would respond with the same phrase at the same exact time that type. So so yeah, maybe you know it resonates to this day in some form of fashion. So then after you got to see each other, Um, how does this business deal happen? How does this happen? Because you know you

gotta see each other, that's great. Just making amends, That's that's good enough. Like for me, like, yeah, you know, um, if I have be for one of them a while ago too. When that happened, right like like two or three years ago, I think something like that. But then now this deal is announced, your imprint, this is your ship right, correct me if I'm wrong, and it's a it's a distribution deal. Yes, it's a distribution deal. So how does this happen? Like? Well, I mean it really

wasn't that complicated. Um, this happened. Um months later. This was on the On the Run Too tour and he was in Detroit and so I told him, I said, I was, you know, I was doing some business in Detroit around the time, because one of my people told me, he's like, yo, you know, um, same time you in Detroit. You know your man is gonna be out there. I was like word. I was like, so, let me see what's going on. And then UM like yeah, man'd be great to see you. And he was like, yeah, that's perfect.

So you know, same ship will call and we were chopping it up and you know, he was just doing this thing, relaxing, um. But he kept asking me like, so, yeah, what's up, what you're doing, what's going on? You know? And I was you know, I'm usually very transparent, but I wasn't you know, And you know, I said, you know, I'm just but I did tell the truth. You know what I'm saying. You know, I still you know, doing music. You know, I'm waiting for the right opportunity, you know,

to to make certain things happen. Press some buttons. And he was like all right, So he let it go. He saw that I was sort of being a little bit evasive. But long story short, you know, he was saying, um, he was about to you know, prepare for you know, the stage and everything, you know, so I basically pull them to the side and chop it up with you for a second, like you know. And I asked him. I was like, you know, I know you got you know, this this strow and this that and the other, and

that's what I needs. Like can you help me with that? He was like saying, no more. Ill connect you with my people now. Is it a goddamn at that moment you had to humble yourself to do that or not. Because some people feel like egotistical, they can't do it. They can't ego is a big thing. They can't go in Like some people can't can't remember their little homies.

Turn it into the big homie, you can't see you you even though you see opportunity, you won't go for the opportunity because the ego is in the way of it. Like I can't do that because of this pride I have. Yeah, No, but I mean I looked at the big picture, like you know, opportunity knocks, you know, and and also um, and deserving as well, because you could even be deserving and not take the shot because of the pride, right right, and and I felt like, um, and I still feel

that way. Um. You know, people say like, oh, it's great, you know these things that are happening. You deserve it. And I and I stopped him, and I tell them, like, I don't deserve the ship unless I take it. You know, it could be I could have all these accolades and all that ship, but if I don't get it, I don't deserve it, what I'm saying. So that's and and I you know, that's when I just asked them. And you know, it wasn't it wasn't a big thing for him to do, and it wasn't a big thing for

me to ask. You know what I'm saying. That's a beautiful thing though. Let me just say that outside of looking at it. You know what I'm saying, I mean because um to me, to me, that's exactly what it is. Man like you know, um, I know your brothers are brothers. Like you know what I'm saying. That history y'all got so rich that it's like that's rich, that that's rich

in itself. That's the definition that rich to me is when you have the rich history, when you have that type of ship like that, and um to see it coming back together in three sixty yeah yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, that's that's motherfucking dope ship. So I just want to commend that. I want to salute that. I want to salute you. I want to thank you for being a part. But we ain't gonna be in there. I don't know. I'm gonna take some more. No, no more shots, right yeah, one of one more? But then

you know three is my lucky number. We could do one more. I heard you how you running up and down the beach. I can't take to me because it's scarce right now, okay, all right, well, so um now when you see you come from the era, I know, I know this little crazy we well you come from error and then I come from the error right after you, where we avoided cameras at all costs exactly, like it

was just totally different. Like now you walk around, these people are just filming you without how do you adapt self surveillance now, like everyone Jesus you don't like me and so gave me that. That's okay, I'll take it down times tonight. But how do you adapt to that like that? I mean with me. You come from the super drug dealer era and and and I don't know, yes, super drunk, you know what I mean. And no one wanted cameras. I don't know when people will be heated

you take a picture of them. But so so so two stories. One as a child, like it was like I never like and I had like one of those fathers is like trying to you know, just calling you, bribe you into it, like come on, let's take this picture. And I'm like, I don't want to take a picture. You like, I get your quarter. You know back then quarter was like ten dollars a lot, so you know, um, back then the bag was down. Else said that, so um, so I don't really want to see a type of bone.

That's what you cheated, not to you know, um, yeah, so as I got older, like yeah, you know, with the with the things going on, like nobody wants wanted to be in pictures and what was so funny? I just recently UM shot the video for the first single uh M A R C Y And of course I shot it in Marcy and you know, some of the ogs came out and I was like, yo, y'all want to getting this shot and he's like, now you gotta do. I'm like, come on, man, a hundred years old, you

can like you're still You're still do it. Ain't even that it's that cold they exactly, it's the cold. They fall like cold. My code is keeps a lotting my brothers, my people in there. I literally got the biggest shot here now I am here. Now will be little on the plane. Lassy projects got you, you got jail, you got source, you gotta fleek. What's the new generation coming from? Right?

Because you because I understand your dealer is a label dere Yeah, well you can sign other people, correct, you can have other people to distribution there excuse me, Okay, no problem, let's talk about might just so weg wine that that's the only thing that makes it work less, drink some more like I'm sorry to be honest, I mean I'm game. Okay, let's do it so you can actually sign other people. What what would you look for in a new artist? Would you go back to Marcy?

Or what would you do if I got to? Okay, I have to because so many, so many people fail where they where they come from, like and for us, that's a large that's that's a big part. It's an integral part of what we are is where we came from. So it's important to go back to where you came from, find what you are or what you were, and and nurture that. It's like helping yourself and if you could have that, you're trying to that for somebody else. Right, it's the key to being a master and the servant.

Like people look at a master and not realize that a true master is to serving the vote. You know what I'm saying. So it's so you know, so it just keeps going in the cycle for the most part. So that was hard. A true master is a servant. You can't really be that guy unless you serve someone else. That's so, what's the next step? So now we got the deal? You say you gotta take it. M hmmm. So what's the next step from man, Um, just push the hell out of this single project. You gotta tell

us about the project project. The project is called the warm Up, which is more controversy. If anybody familiar with you know another project that which is out now by the time this comes out, it's out now. People need to go pick it up now. Yes, UM, all all

major platforms. Um it's ten joints. UM. I recently had a a listening party in Chicago that turned out really well, and UM, the consensus of what I'm getting is everybody saying, Yo, it sounds like a motion picture and you remember your thought. But you real hip hop? You're not. You're not you know, you don't got t pain on your ship, but do mean nothing pains not hipp not not pain, not real hip hop. I'm not a rapper, but I'm not. But

you know the atal tune. What I mean, you ain't know, you ain't got you ain't got a future joking about um, you know what I mean? Lane gay not one. And that's that's no disrespect to anybody, no disrespecting myself. You gotta keep it. It's authentic to you. Yeah, yeah, So how difficult is that? Because making music and this time, do you try to cater to these new guys or do you say, funck these motherfucker's Let me stay in

my lane? Well, what do we say? My The saying I always say to myself is is stick to my guns. When people ask earlier correlatively, ship happens? What was it called that word or axiom? What axiom? Axiom? What's the axiom for this one? Stick to your guns? Stick to your motherfucking comes the axiome? Goddamnit. So you kept hip hop? Yeah?

I kept what I feel is hip hop. You know, I had to give them that triplet ship and then double up ship, which is ahead of his time when you did it, like, if you were ahead of your time, then doesn't mean you can't be ahead of your time now, because let's let's be clear. Let's be clear. If you listen to originators and you hear how y'all motherfucker's was hitting the cadence is a lot of people will call

that like a down stoup style. They will say that, you know, all that flowed it was a certain rhyme style, and that's I kind of feel like that song was even called the Originators, that's why. And I'm not and that's not to douns out people because downshop people actually what I'm different. But when you when a person trying to do down South actual flow, I feel like they

go when they like listen to Originators. Am I don't line for saying that or no, okay, no, that's the to me, that's the um, that's the foundation because wasn't nobody doing it. I think I think people say down South flow because of outcast who made that that south. I think down South more popular, but down South flow was really an accent of down South. When I say that,

I don't mean down South people doing it. When people immulate the down South flow when you this is my down South flow, and I kind of feel like like they but the original one was the Originators and bucking on like nah, it's true, Okay, it's true. That was the original one. Um and it was actually the original Originators, which was on my second album. You know I had that flow back then. Yeah, and and and actually um,

what that flow was it was a triplet. It was a triplet as opposed to like how they double time nowadays. It was a triplet style. Yeah, nobody was doing that. I'm not gonna lie. I just felt good about this. Hold on. I just didn't want to stop it. Like I just like, listen, we are friendly. Didn't put it over your no, no, hold on, hold on, this is space. We don't put that in the trash. Put it back down, put it back We're feeling good. We have motherfucking jazz

O on the building. Man the Originator, one of the super legends. That's what this show was about. Man, the show was about. When we started this show, we wanted salute legends like you wanted to salute you know. Uh. The ellest thing about I always say the illest thing about motherfucking Batman. It's Clark Kent, right, that's Batman. No, no,

that's Superman. That Superman saying by saying that hip hop to me is both like hip hop to me is is The illest thing about us is the our superhero capability, but then our normal capability. And that's what I love about our generation is that we just have to continue. And the thing is the thing that me and my partner we sat here and we thought about we said, Yo, listen, man, these people don't salute the people that have been here too long. They want to kick these people out and

I gotta change that. We want to change that, and I believe we are changing that. So I just want to salute you, Jazz. I want to say how much you appreciate it. I want to say how much that I You know, I'm a hip hop fan, you know what I mean. So I've seen you, Like when I seen you know the history, Google everything, and I was

just like, this is so dope. This is and and you know, for you and homie um, you know, to start out together, you know, go through, your go through and you're coming back together, that is a beautiful thing. I think this should be a man actified. That's what they're called, right. It makes that is bigger magnified. I feel I should be magnified. I feel like it should be saluted, and I feel like it should be praised.

You know what I'm saying. And if anybody else ain't gonna do it, guess what, I'll be very happy to be the first one. And you have more than welcome, you know, on drink Champs anytime. You know what I'm saying. You want to promote some other ship, you want to go on here, you want to do your motherfucker you know, you know this is hip hop. This is what we

made this for. We made this for legends, and I'll be gosh damn if every legend in the world don't feel welcome, and your motherfucking if you don't feel it, you have the motherfucking pass god damn thing. Let's pitch it and take some drops and I'm gonna finish. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosten by yours truly, d J E. F Fenn and n R E. Please make sure to follow us on all

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