Episode 202 w/ Royce da 5'9" & Mr. Porter

trick up for the hay Hank big blunt game. This is the killer in the what up is d J e f And this is drink Chess motherfucker yahyalla makes un And right now the brother that we got in the build him with us top tier when I say elite lyricists, when I say top five, when I say go I was the goat ring on. I was anticipating

the goat ring um. But when it comes to lyricists, when it comes to you know, staying relevant, you know, sending the test of time, not only uh looking young, feeling young and acting young and out here looking good. You know what I'm saying, been through different errors, still the tests of top still here and he's on the illest press run I've ever seen his whole career. Like a lot of people say that Alan and he one

is uh cheap. They are showing they asked with his projects today because they got him everywhere, I mean, and with the coronavirus. I do it and stop. This guy's everywhere, I mean, from the morning shows or wherever. And I really appreciate I really seeing the reinvention. I really really

see the relevance of what's going on right now. If you don't know what my voice the this is a phenomenal running I'm seeing you on like, you know, besides the album being classic, just you know great, I'm just you know, as a media guy, had to you know, go on and click and see where you was at everywhere. This is a great one. I think this is like, this is probably one of the biggest since I've seen the years. Uh, how do you feel about that? I feel good about it. Feel good about it. I Mean.

The important thing for me, man, it's just to make sure that I um, I try to stay as in control of the narrative as possible, you know, I just want to make sure that I drive the point home every opportunity that I get I'll make sure that I let everybody know that it's honor and the privilege to be here. And you know, just set good examples, set good examples, be positive, and and just hit as many as many outlets as possible. You know what I mean. I want to show. I want to show the young

is that it's cool to just be yourself. It's cool to do it without the antics. It's cool to just make it about the reps. You know what I'm saying, Like that l A Leaka's freestyle, I'm not going bue that was so disrespectful than man. It was just like it was like I felt like he was a wrestler. It was just you was just like I feel like he was the snake and Buddhist, the barber's beefcake at the same time. It just was just like you just was showing these young boys, this is how you rap.

Like he was just it wasn't let me just tell you something. It wasn't much so of what you were saying and how you were saying, And it was the comfortable you understand what I'm saying, Like so many people when they comfortable, it was like I can tell you it's just you had to your what is the call of sports jackets? Jacket on you? It's just like like, like does it come that easy for you after all these years? It's hard memorize, That's what I'm saying. It's

hard to memorize. I mean it took it took a long time. Some of it I wrote on the plane. You know where l A leakers they want you to do like a few takes so they can get different angles. Yeah, I ain't going up. There's my friends, but I ain't trying to give eighty nine balls. But wrote some of it on the plane, some of it. Some of it was just bars I had in my phone and I just kind of pieced it together and just kept listening to it over and over and over again. Always have

a problem. I always have a problem memor You're killing me with it. And I thought it was up. But I'll just I'll just up for it, man, you know what you just the last time, the last time I did something, I did flex, you know, shout out the flex. And I hadn't done anything since then. So I just really wanted to like, do you be tiring people like asked you to because now, especially after that someone everyone is gonna want to respect that for their show like everyone.

I don't. Man, I feel bad saying no manically where it's like especially when it's like sway, you know what I'm saying, like cosmic card, You know what I mean. Like I feel bad saying no man. But it's like if I can't, if it can't be like at least close to a moment. Man, I don't want to put myself in that position because I know, you know what I'm capable of doing, and I hate to just do some half has ship for somebody. You know that I'm not prepared to do. And I'm always like prepping for

so many different things, so it's hard to just trust me. Man. I did the l A Leakers thing. I took it hit in another area. Probably hit you because because not because I did. Um, I did a show. I did a show in Detroit. It's like, um, the Allegory show, and I went up there. I forgot that I forgot to wrap into a couple of songs up there because he was so much focused on Lea. I just didn't happen. I just didn't have rehearsal days. Something that you made

up like, um, it was hashtags on Instagram. You made up. I don't know if you're aware of this is every time a girl like I just seen Lorie Harvey, there was like, Hi Lorie Harvey, and take dinks back to Hi Rihanna. Let's let's take us through that course because why why did you feel like you had to say hi Yana fifteen thousand times? Um? And it was and it's for some how it worked. Damn. I can't even remember what I was thinking at the time when I wrote it, when I wrote I wrote that, though I

wrote that for ya wrote that. I wrote that for that okay, and you had the whole award saying and then now it's a half tack. Yeah. I just wanted it to be catchy, you know, I'm just wanting I was just trying to come up with something catchy, you know, the same way you know, did we write songs, you know what I mean? Like, I just wanted to, um write something that I felt like it was for that moment that was that was plausible for that moment, you know what I mean. And Brianna was hot at the time.

She's still yeah, I mean, it's just you know, I just was that your shot at her, like you thought you thought she was gonna like d MU or something. I don't know if I was sticking at that's what. I don't know if I was giving myself. But I mean not just um. I think I was just expressing my love to her, all right, No, that was that's that's lover her. I mean I was just speaking for

us all, you know. And now everyone uses that that thing every time, like like I guess that's like flirting words, like they're saying Hi, Lorie Harvey or they'll say hi, you know Amber Rows or whatever. But it was down to you ever respond to that at all? She said hi back. Oh that's all. That was good enough in my mind even another day. Because so now the big thing that's happening right now. You went to the breakfast club.

You were I believe you spoke on T Grizzy and then T. Grizzly responded back, and I gotta be honest. When I heard you speak of on the breakfast club, I wanted me to person agree with you. When I heard he Grizzly said, I didn't understand his point. Then I listened to it the third time, listened to you a third time, listen to him a third time, and I pretty much was a split decision because in order for you to get your point, you had to be in this game for ten fifteen years. So I understand

how he couldn't relate that. But then I was just standing him as well for him saying, you know which I don't know, and I won't disapprove by anything that, but he's saying I got one foot in the and then so I don't believe you addressed that yet. So I would love to hear and I heard you had a conversation with him. Yeah, of course, of course. Um, I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I understand where

you're coming from. Um I think, Um, I didn't go in death about me and Marshall's conversation, so I can so I can understand how it can be misconstrued. It's this simple though, Okay, Um number one, I'm not like this guy who's like behind closed doors determines when and where and how Marshall raps and when he's gonna rap.

We were just having a conversation, you know what I mean. Like, so the whole point was to let these guys know that you never know who's watching, and just to be careful not to burn bridges and the reason why, the reason why, the reason why. So this is one of the things that I expressed that I expressed them when we talked. This is after he addressed the situation. So I made I made a song called Lighters right, Okay, it was the song that I had then was on

my album, you know what I'm saying. Like, So when me and Marshall did the Bad messieviol album, we ended up putting that song on the Bad Messievio album. We put Bruno mars on it, big hits on you know, like the biggest song of the year, number one song of the year. So I tried to use that energy to build Slaughterhouse. So that's how we came up. That's how I came up with a song called My Life for Slaughterhouse, which ended up not being the right song

for slaughter House. Okay. Now, the fact that I had a song of that magnitude and wasn't able to build slaughter House, and I also wasn't able to build myself off of that song. And it's only because of the energy, the massive amount of energy that Marshall and Bruno brought to the song. So when you're talking about building a brand, which I'm very familiar with. There's a way that that's done. So when I had this conversation with Marshall, it was way in the beginning for the fatigue. Nati is the

first of his kind from Detroit. He's the first guy who's ever came through the door with no stamp from nobody. Sean had Kanye, I had Marshall, O, we had Marshall, everybody has. He was He's the first of its kind of come to the classic record out of the gate. You know what I'm saying. So I just didn't I don't want to see Marshall jump in stepping, you know what I'm saying. So like what I was trying to explain to him, like I would never give my opinion in a way that's gonna hurt you. You know what

I'm saying. Anything, I want nothing but the best for you. If I make a decision, it's because me is an o G. I know what's best. But that doesn't mean in my opinion. It doesn't mean that my opinion is the determining fact. That it just means that's how I feel. But the point that I was making on the Breakfast Club is just to be careful because I didn't stop the song from happening. He stopped the song from happening by dis and Marshall on the album. But I also said,

it's not something that can't be repaired. So accountability is a big part of communication, being able to hold yourself accountable, and it's also a huge part of success. That's what I need my my youngest understand in your opinion, what was it? What was his his his discrepancy? What was this problem that he reached out to M and M didn't reach back, or he wanted to get him our record. We didn't get into that. We didn't wen't. We didn't talking. You mean, why did he shoot at him on the right?

I don't think. I don't think it was a particular reason. I think it was. I think it was more. I think it was more supposed to come off like a friendly jab because when I talked to him about it, he was like, I didn't think I didn't think it was a big deal what I said about him, you know what I'm saying. So we came to this conclusion, if we're in communication more, we don't have a problem. Because that way, I don't I won't be presumptive. Was I won't assume you mean ABC. You won't assume I

mean ABC. We're just always to be clear, and that's how we should be, you know what I'm saying, Like you just always like that. Why does it seem like we beat for people from our inner cities, because it's just it's just something we used. We used to doing that. Because I can understand why the young is in the comments. It's like, oh, you hate it on tea because they used to niggas hating. They used to the O g s hating. The same thing happened to me, niggas hating

on me. You know what I'm like, Man, I refused. I refused to use my platform and divide up against my youngest between beef and then just having friendly competition like hip hop. Just hip hop sometimes don't happen. No, I know, but I mean I did. But what do you think in this situation that line is crossed? I think I think, I mean, honestly, in my opinion, I think he probably was just looking for something to create some more smoke so he can keep that moment going.

He came out the gate with a classic that's a tough tough position to be in, especially when you're just getting out of jail. You don't really because I don't. The song is so flawless and it's so organic. I don't think he even really knew what he did when he when he did that song, and it resonated with everybody like that. So to have to recreate that same moment, it's tough to do, you know what I'm saying, Like

to keep that going, to keep that going. And I think that M's level of success and sometimes my level less success, I think that they sometimes assume that we're just detaction, that we got paying them no attention and we're not for them. And my thing is I need to take the steps. I need to take the steps to be able to bridge that gap, just to make sure that they understand, even if it takes for us to come outside of our comfort zone and somehow meet halfway.

And I need him to understand that the unity is where the power is at, the unit, that the power is in the collector say that you know what I'm saying. So so I mean we understood each other after we after we talk, you know what I'm saying, And what what myle what mole is he from? Is that is everyone from a mile in dep I think I think

T is from. He from the West side. I know, I don't know exactly where from because he's so much younger than me, But I don't know exactly he's the west side of though, he's the west side of Good God, I don't want y'all got dude from the dad to get them a man, you know what I'm saying. We're gonna be man. Listen, listen, man, We're gonna be good. All of us are gonna be good. Everybody's gonna be good. Nobody's gonna We're not doing that. You're not doing You're

not doing that. I'm not gonna let that happen, you know what I'm saying. So, this is this situation, I feel like I'm I'm I'm ahead of it. I feel like I have enough control over it as the O G and I've been here before, you know what I mean. Like, I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable in this space because I know I know how to turn things around and flip them into a positive. I know how it is with what the outcome is on the negative. And we've been there. You know what I'm saying, what do you think the

first time, like when you see him? Because because like I believe he um on the gram he was like, why would you block me? There? No? Why would you say no? Like, so, what was the first thing that came to your mind? I was thinking to myself, block you, brother, block you. But before I could even like, before my mind could go in any direction, Jaylen Rose has already

hitting me. He's blowing me up. Because that's why, because y'all from me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jaylen Rose is already hitting me, like, yo, Yo, I need I need to make sure that you and T Grizzly seeing eye to eye. Man, let me let me know if I can link y'all. And I hit him back like of course, of course, and we got right on it. We got right on the text thread and he was like, h T was like I think it maybe just be a misunderstanding. And I hit him back absolutely, brother, let's let's just talk.

And um, I said, I actually was he gonna be free an hour? He said, yeah, called him an hour. We kicked it quick. Yo was trying to say, so, no problem, okay, okay, okay, okay yo, We're gonna have to do this but the joint guy is is broken in the bottom. I'm like, leaning, yeah, we got a bad ship, say like this, so I didn't even know we got bad chip yeah everything. Yeah, yeah, but I had to I had to switch man heroin he was believing that now yeah, sir, so yeah, but I had

to just let him. I had to let him know. You know, it's love and respect before anything, you know what I'm saying, Like he's uh, I talked to it. I talked to a few people in passing about him in the word on the Youngest now as oh man, they're just young, they're young stupid, they're crazy, they're young stupid. I'd never give up on none of them, you know what I mean. Like that's just yeah, because I was young and stupid or probably you know what I mean.

And they they're young geniuses man, Like he grizly did some ship that none of us did, none of us and that needs to be saluted, you know what I'm saying. So it's like a win for him and even m had a co sign brother, you know what I'm saying. So for him to come out the gate like that, out of nowhere, about before I even knew who he was. I heard about him through World Star and I'm from Detroit.

You know, you know how amazing that is. So it's like, you know, why would I why would I want to block that name is a synonymous with Detroit Trick, Trick like um like I always think like anytime this beef bing within like Detroit, like that's the guy who steps in it, and that my bugging. Sometimes sometimes it depends on what the situation is. Me and Trick, you know, we tight. We didn't even speak about this. This didn't even this. This came nowhere near that. No cause got made?

Where Yeah, in Detroit, it's a little small when you're talking about important people, you know, so like no cause got made. I think he was really challenging the O G S, which he's supposed to do, you know what I mean, Like we don't always do everything right. They gotta make sure we're on our toes too, And I told him that. I told him, you know, if it's if there's ever something you think I'm not doing or you think I'm not doing right, you can always call

me and challenge me. You know what I'm saying, bring it, bring it to me, make sure and I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to do, and I'll do the same with you. Let's keep pushing each other like that, and let's make this ship great, Let's make the city great. Let's break let's break all the cycles, you know what I mean, Like we did that. We did the bickering back and forth phone TV for the world to see us look like some fucking buffoons. Beef this, beef, that,

beef this. There's no no money and that, no money and that, no power in that, no anything in that. It's only one one type of person who can monetize that, and that's the powers that be. You know what I mean. We'll never be on the same team as them, because everything about them is to our detriment and as long as we continue to divide, we'll always be pawns on that chessboard. We gotta start thinking different, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's what I'm trying to get

them to understand. And we all work in progress, and I'm gonna keep I'm gonna continue to just keep doing my part and I'm gonna keep showing them love the way that I'm supposed to. That got that, How did that? How did that convo with him on your album, Like, how did that skit come about? Him? Talking about what he was talking about? You took it back to the old school with the skits man and even Jack drink chaps from the skits. We don't here. You gotta call

us for climming. Don't worry about it. But but that was deep. That was deep what he was talking about, you know, Like, and it was you'll be kicking that ship on here. You know, we got you, we had, but we should saying he got m on the skid? I mean, was was that meant to be a skit? Was that a convoy y'all recorded for something else? And

how did that come about? We were having a conversation. Um, we're talking about a lot of deep things, talk about white privilege, talking about hip hop, about being a guest in hip hop stuff, Lord mar be talking about like we're talking about everything. You're talking about everything. I mean, me and me and M. I ain't spoke to him in a minute, but me and M we sit on the phone for hours and just talk about different things, different things, how they're affecting us, how they affect our day.

You know, Um, perspective is like a big, big topic of conversation, perspective, the way that people see things, and why we think that people see things in a certain way, you know what I mean. So we were just kicking it and he just talked for like maybe ten fifteen minutes straight. I didn't say a word. He was just going off, not I don't know, like mad ship, but just he was just kicking Ship, like you know something like this is gonna be a skip for something. He

were just talking. He just sometimes you just get and I was just sitting there listening to him. I was just like, why is it being recorded there? No, no, no, no, no, this this isn't what you So after we got off the after we after we was done talking, I was like, Yo, do you think if I sent you a beat you could say everything that you just said or something some derivative of it. And he was like, Ship, I don't even know what I was just said, but I could try,

you know what I'm saying. So I sent him a beat the next day and he went in and he talked for twelve minutes. He talked for twelve minutes, and UM, I went up to the studio when I listened to it, and UM, of course he wanted to run and running by Paul, that's his partner, So he um sent it to Paul. Paul just took it. Paul has a way of like hearing things, and he himself edited it down, you know what I mean, Like we rappers, we babbled, Paul edit it. Yeah, Paul edited because Paul. You know,

Paul is an attorney, right Paul. So Paul took the fluff out, you know what I mean, Like he edited out all the fluff and then made it a straight thought, you know what I'm saying. So he you probably cut it down and like, what was it six minutes maybe? Yeah, And he cut it down and that's what what you guys heard is is is what he edited it down to.

But there's still six minutes of cutting room floor stuff that didn't That makes some forgot got that the first time you stopped to for real, y'all battled on the phone the very first time. Yes, I didn't know what to see. Will remember this, I'm sure you remember this. It was me Forrell Marshall. And there's a group from

Ohio called the Clinic. I can't remember how many of them it was, but the niggas was nice, so it was the clinic, it was Forrell, it was me, it was Marshall, and everybody was taking turns, just rapping on the phone on the phone. This is uh, this is still the nineties because this is before this is this is before he got signed. This is at least ninety nine, he meaning because this is before Marshall got signed, but before. If it's nine, then that's the super Dog that's after

what what So this is before that? Then this is before that. Well, super came out, came out of ninety eight. Yeah, so they got to be ninety seven. Yeah, so man, so maybe you know what it might be the beginning of the the ninety eight because came out of June. This is definitely before that broke. I would have known him from you, okay, what I was spotting you? Okay, so we we didn't know him, Yeah, we didn't know that time. Yea even ill so you don't even know what this is.

So I know he's a producer, but I don't know him. I have I don't connect him to you, Okay, you know what I'm saying. So Rob was Rob Walker, um, Rob Walker Erica. They're working at Quest Records. You remember when Rob work a and R is in Quest Records, and he's like, um, yeah, Rob got this uh in Derrick Jackson, Derk Jackson, Quest is Quincy Jones Labor. Yes, yes, for people who don't know Derrick Jackson's that's the one

who started master the Scott story. After that, yes, okay, time of Boy Records, Okay accent he talking the most ship. He was like, yeah, nigga, like he didn't one who put the clinic on the phone, and you know, they all like, yeah, I got my nigga. Well I got my nigga. So Rob had for real, uh Rick had, Eric had me, I had Marshall. I brought him in and then um yeah yeah so we so we were on the phone and then we all just going, everybody just going taking turns going, and all while we rapping.

Marshall yeah yeah, everyone and who else is on this phone and everyone, everybody including for a holy and I'll remember for real, he reminded me a lot of nos. I remember thinking he's smooth, super smooth with it. He's kept rapping about the band's wagon. He kept saying something about the band's wagon, and I remember I kept saying, what then what is no? Did I look at it in retrospect, the nigga probably had two or three of the moment I looked back in time, I said, looking

for Roles, watch this right now. I'm a big watch guy, right, I wasn't it back then, But I just look at his watches and I like this cheap ass brother watched Years later I figured out that was a fucking Richard male. Ye had one back then, not nine the nineties. I'm like mid two, thou know what I'm saying. No one knew what the robber watch was like. Like if we had G shops, you got all right now, brother, then

you get a lot of one. Well yea, So he's been his advanced, but that's crazy advance that that that you were like, that means you actually spoke to him prior to me, because because I met him, I met him one day throughout the next day and then recorded Winning the next day, So that means you technically met for realm before me. But you got in the studio with him for I got the shoot and I knew it.

I knew, like I knew as soon as I met it is weird, as I said, yeah, look as soon as he came to me, he was like he said, no one listens to me. The first person who listens to me is gonna get number one. And I said, did he say that? He said that, Bro, He's a amatonic jewel dropper And for some rejews, I believe them, Like listen, by the way I got to know more record at the time I got R E. Norri stands

for Nigga's on the Run Eating. My album's done. Rob walk Up talks so Mary Moore and they get me in the studio and it's like he's like, your album's not done. Like he was cocky was back then, like like what, it's just for all this is no, this is for all the chat. But Bro has always been the front morning. He's always been like Chad is there but for so so He's like, no, your album is not done. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, Like that's how cocky he was back then. I'm like, dude, I

actually literally handed in my album. He's like, it's not done. So if this is to Super Doug, listen to what what what at the end like your eat nor the remix because we try to sneak it on as a remix. You know what, I'm saying because the album was already done. But moving on. So um, I also heard you the reason why no artist is allowed to go to Tom Superman's apartment. Uh, I feel bad about that, man. Come on and I feel bad. Let's get into it right there.

I sold. Then I sold. This is the that I sold tuning in for right now you was in Okay, let's go. Yeah. So um I did. I did a meeting. I did a meeting with Tommy Boy, me and Eric. We did a meeting with Tommy Boy. Um with a cat named Tyrone. Tyrone. This is after you made a decision to go with Tommy Boy or Dr Dre. This is for this is before, So this is this is first we did. First we did the meeting, he said, he said he fun with the music. I think he

passed it. He passed, he passed. So Um. When I started working with Dre and Marshall, I was working with Dre on the Chronic. You know, word got around the industry that I was working with Marshall and Drake. I did. That was around them and everybody on the East coast. All the labels on the East Coast wanted to meet again. You know, once they found out of course. So I went back and I met with Tommy Boy with the

same records. Did he have an adeline on when Tom silver Um, I don't remember the home said yeah, yeah on a regular day weird ship in the world and looking like ye running. Yeah. So when when I went back, the meeting was a little bit different, you know, like it's like the whole staff was in there, but it was kind of like and everybody was all excited about these same records that they passed on. So um, one thing led to another. I ended up signing to deal

with them. Um they gave me a million dollars. So um, I feel like we gotta make some noise. Come on, man, I'm sorry forget Yeah. So um so Tom Silverman he bet the farm on me sort of speak. I think you know what I'm saying, Like, I think that was the last kind of deal like that that he did. He really believed in me. That's why I got and this is this is two thousand and this is ship Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm two thousands. Yeah, because I didn't get the Timy

Boy yet. I remember, yeah, okay, because I remember remember there from the beginning there. Yeah, yeah, you know what I remember because you were there prior to me, and I was always on the timeboy, but time boards I'm on penalty was own by Tommy Boy. But then they kicked penalty out and then I was fully on time Boy. But you was there. Pride, That's why I know, yes had to be. You was one of the reasons why I went over there. Listen, let me just say you

something about Tom Silman. A lot of people that get slack. If you show Tom Simmerman that you're working and you got something like he will put the break up. He would like, we just said, that's why you see. I didn't flinch, but it's just it's just I feel like, you know, hearing that I sold story like um and hearing the practices that he takes, he owes a lot more to hip hop. Like they think about it is this we know we signed these these these kids deals and used it and then for it to be twenty

five years thirty years later. I think I think people deserve it like UMU, whether you were cooped or not. If you have an album for thirty years, twenty years, twenty five years, I think the rightful thing to do is split it. Yeah, because everything else is changing exactly everything. Like if you if you own my album for twenty if I wanted your album with twenty years ago and you came to me and say, Yo, Nori, let's do

a split. No no, not only would I want to split it with you, but because I know you would want to go out there and promote it. Like I feel sad sometimes when when I go online and I stream a Daylight Soul so a show and they won't even do those records, like they don't make anything out the polish inside. They won't even perform sometimes, like at least I see, like you know, Trutch and Naughty by Nature, at least they'll they'll perform those records and stuff like that.

Like sometimes like I want to hear potholes in my lawn, you know what I'm saying, Like I want to hear all that stuff, but that that that that boughted me. So Tom Shimman, I don't know if you're listening, but yeah, I think you can make it right man. I think it's not too late, you know what I'm saying. Moving on, So, so what happened in the apartment though, so um so we needed somewhere to stay at um in order for me to to record the album. So he gave us.

He gave us his apartment, you know, one of his spots that he had. Uh, he's subleasing this big gass apartment. I'm not gonna say where because I don't know if he still has it, no problem, but it was a great it's a great apartment, man, it's a great apartment. And I know I remember just being in there. I remember just being in there and little to all of them. My um My, my, my bro, my Bro came into town. This was when um Marshall wanted the move man, if

he should want his first move man. That night we were all just like happy for him, you know what I mean, And everybody was like drunk and high. And I remember it being about ten fifteen niggas in the apartment and everybody's from Detroit. Everybody flew in and everybody was standing in my well, it was my apartment at the time in my mind, you know, so you're occupying it.

I just remember. I just remember um My big Bro getting into it with somebody and the he brow with him, and I remember them having words and grabbing each other, and I remember my Bro grabbing them and pulling them into the bathroom and slamming the door behind them, and I'm hearing nothing but just rockets in the bathroom, and I was just thinking to myself, like, it's not gonna be good. This is not gonna be good. It's not

gonna be good in there. YO. So about about five minutes later, they come out breathing all hard, and I hear my big bro like, because what the dude was supposed to be like muscle and he was like a was supposed to be able to throw your big ass around like that. Oh my god. I go in the bathroom, but and the fucking shower out is torn down, the mirrors off the wall, and in the wall. Bro, it couldn't be worse than what I saw in there. And

I remember just thinking to myself, like damn. And then you know, they stayed for a couple of days, so the whole apartment was kind of like trash. It looked like some rockers that stayed there. So, um, the housekeeping lady came and she didn't even clean it. She just looked. She just took one look at it and turned around and walked off. And she did like a report. I guess weekly she has to do it like a report. She did a report and she said, and I quote

people to do that. I quote she said, it looked like a crack house in there. That's what she told That's what she told. Her reference point was what was Tom's phone call to you. I never spoke to Tom Silverman after that. I never spoke to him after that. They just told us we had to get out the apartment. And when I went to turn the album and we had a meeting, it was time at that meeting, the last meeting. Now he wasn't even that eating. So we went to play the album and they wait until we

were done. We had five Neptune Records, five Neptune Records to just Blaze Records. Um, who else do we have either, we have Primo Records. We had a star studied lineup of producers, and um, after we were done playing a record, they were like, okay, okay, yeah, we we liked the songs, but we don't know who you are not listening to these songs. And I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out what the funk they were talking about. I thought they were hating. I was doing that accountability thing

that we do when were young. I couldn't hold myself accountable for ship. I was like, they're hating on me, and they didn't end up accepting the album, so they didn't release it. And that's how I ended up getting released from Tommy Boys, so I can move to Sony to Colombia. Wow. That that that's how the Tommy Boy

thing ended. I wasn't able to there's an album to them that they felt was and you think you think that was close to the department thing, or because you think that that that you wasn't showing them in retrospect, the apartment thing probably had a little bit to do with it. But I didn't know how to make album. I just didn't you know, it was a cohesive album. Yeah, it wasn't cohesive. It was probably it was all over the place. If I can remember back properly, it was

just a bunch of different songs. I was wrapping good on all the songs, but there wasn't a complete thought. And that's people wonder why to this day I use skits. And but when that person said to you, we don't know who you are now, I think that that was great advice. Yes, yes, I think that I thought that was artistic critique of that album, Yes, I didn't understand it. I think that I think that every artist should do at least one self defining album. I think that every

artist should find there's owns self definition. The b could we not have more noises happening in this episode? Yeah, so that that self, that self defining thing. You gotta go out and you gotta find that. You gotta find out who you are, and once you get to that place where you know who you are, express that, and preferably if you could do with your first album, so you can get that out the way, it can be like an introduction, kind of like how reasonable doubt is,

how eomatic is. If you could do that, you know, war Report exactly, If you could do that from there, it's very easy to build the brand from there. That's kind of crazy for me to hear you say that, though. That's kind of crazy for me to hear that you didn't think your first was that it wasn't it wasn't you know, reporting about because I was fresh out of the open mics, So I was fresh off that phone

call with Reil and them. You know what I'm saying, Like I was a battle rapper, I was I just you know, my first love was battling mcs, rapping about how good I could wrap, impressing other mcs. My only dream was just to be accepted by red Man and rass Cash. Buy what I'm saying, You know what I mean? So you know, like I did all my evolving in the fire. You know what I'm saying is that recording process.

M did a joint with the Neptunes around this time. No, he um, I remember I was getting in the studio with for real Um for the for the because they're never on record done a record together? Right? Oh yeah, that's right. Then my forgot about that. Yeah, we did. We did. We did a song called She the One, Me and Marshall did over over a Neptune beat. Oh, She the One. But that's never seen the light of day. I think it may have been on YouTube, but it's

never it's never officially. No. And we also got in the studio together for the what was the Football? The football movie with l Cold and Jamie and he give give us under right, it was that movie because for any given Sunday. Yeah, I need my plock for that too. Yeah here write that down to I'm missing nothing to lose it's only five soundtrack missing Foxy Brown Joint. I'm missing what was that give Sunday? And I'm missing like two,

two or three more. I don't have my my chronic plaque, not like you just from Yeah, I'm not gonna lie clue DJ clue. I should have a DJ clue. I got to DJ your shout off to DJ clue, and um, I just don't have any more space on the wall because big space. Mr Porter, Mr Porter, you know what I was gonna put my R Kelly plaque. I got a R plaque. I'm so sorry, don't put it in this ship up. And it's gonna put it an X

over it like look like off white. But it's gonna because you know, I don't want to throw the block away. I mean eight million. I don't know this guy, but I don't want to hang it up. I don't want to be like because I mean, I noticed that people come to the Creator like, oh, ship and then they oh, look at that. I used to look back at Oh. I had kind of do it that should I like, But you know, I didn't know they were gonna put black axe over there. So it's going they're gonna say

it's off white. I'm saying, no, it's off are even don't collecting my cup and plugs in my place? Yeah? I get it, I get it. Damn we went, we went crazy to be went all right? Cool? I got notes here. Goddamn, I hold on, she's been a year in jail for drinking. How the hell does that? What kind of what was you drinking? Brother? What was I drinking? Yeah? Because it's very specifically, it's not like he was drinking straight director jail drink. Yeah, I was drinking, don't pass

go to tronka yah. Yeah, I remember you was a super straight patron guy out the bottle type. Yeah, okay, to look at what happened. Yeah, so I was drinking patron um And what happened was um, I was, I was. I was drinking and driving. I got I got pulled over a late at night one night and my lawyer, I remember my lawyer when I got that offense, pushing the court date back because we're gonna try and beat it.

So um. They put me on this program called JAMS, and that's basically where they assigned you a color and if they if they if your color comes up, you gotta check every day. You gotta call this number every day, and if you call it and you hear your color, you gotta go blow into a device That next morning, and my color came. I went blue into divice to the device, and I blew dirty because I was drinking the night before. Okay, okay, damn that's that's that's something

that we kids need to know. So if you drink the night before, I said, it is still in your system in the morning, don't let nobody else tell you different for sure, because you know, like I left somebody, that's what it was. I wasn't like little drunk. I wouldn't lit up. No, I wouldn't lit up back before. I wasn't wasn't lit up the night before. But I drink the night before, and somebody told me, yeah, man, all you gotta do is just stopped drinking it, you know,

eleven o'clock or whatever. He said, My god, yeah, So so you know, I'm listening to this stupid nigga. So so I go and I'll blow I'll blow dirty. So that's an offense. And then before I can even go to court to rectify anything, I get another one, another d y. I get pulled over again. So I got two in the air at the same time, and I blew dirty, terrible, terrible. Oh and I got and I got driving without driving with license to spend it offensive

running the current Well yeah, bench warns already. No, no, no, no, no, it's just it when you get caught drinking and driving that we don't even discuss because they're drinking and driving is such a big deal. Driving license just just a bigger deal. See you today, Like DMX, you did not pull up today. You had a driver. He was very conservative, very drinking. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Listen, everybody

go with DMX. The driver drives for about ten minutes and then actually like more like oh, let me get out the call, hold on before anything happened. But he loves the drip. He's a speed with me. Let me tell you something, brother, like this is my eighth year. I'm going eight years, so that makes a noise for that. You know, I don't want you to stop where you're going with it. Just so you know, today this is

my third drink champ, so I'm only drinking water. I'm gonna drink I figured, I said, you know what, let me joining them. Don't make me feel bad. I'm saying, I'm still getting spoken, but I could, I could do I could do a drink. Chance. You know he's not drinking. It's okay. I'm so vegetarian fasting, you know what I'm saying. So yea yeah, because I'm still eating cheese. Yeah, but you know what I mean. But I'm like, you know, I'm from New York. I got look slimmer since I've

been trying to think taking me over. That's my nigger, that's my nigging. So, um, what was you talking about? What was doing? I was saying, I'm eight years sober now, eight years sober now, and I'm still having it. I'm speaking sobriety events, do charitable things, preaching on the positivity. Oh you smoke weed? Nothing nothing. If you don't do anything back, then do you smoke weed? Just just drink? Okay?

And you think you think that that was like, uh, that was a downfall for you drinking because of how much you drink. Yeah, I think the amount that I drink would be anybody's downfall. You know. Um, I just don't think it's possible to be productive and not really be coherent most of the day, you know, Like I wasn't even really good for a phone call after ten pm unless you like close friend of mine and we're

like talking crazy shit. We couldn't. I couldn't conduct business after temp m you know what I mean, because I was just I just used to be lit up, and I mean it's just, you know, it started out fun. Then it just turned into a problem, you know, And I got I'm obsessive, compulsive by nature, you know me and you talked about that the other day. But yeah, I'm obsessive, complosive. But whatever. What that means is whatever you into, you into, Yeah, go all the way like

eat pussy eating ask too. It wasn't okay. So what was your conversation with Joe after he uhm m this uh Nick Canning My conversation with Fat Joe with Joe button after button this eminem after he you mean when he's when he uh when he talked about this album he said, yeah, he said that he said the trash or something like that. Yeah. I don't I don't remember

exactly what I said. What what what said? Um? I just remember us having a long conversation where he expressed how he felt about it, and I expressed how I felt about it. I think I had just I just went this podcast as well, right, yeah, I went, I went,

I did. Um, I had just did my rollout for my for my album, my last album, Book of Ryan, and I remember I went through that whole rollout, and I remember just I kept having to like talk about Joe, um in a negative I kept having to speak about him, but his name kept coming up, but it was more in a negative sort of light. You know, like people were kind of like not pitting us against each other, but the way that his dan was coming up. You know, Um, I didn't like it because you feel like Joe could

have said a different Yeah. Yeah, yeah he could have. He could have. Um, it was a zillion different ways he could have handled it. But just in regards to me, you know, um, I think I'll remember telling him something along the lines of, man, I don't I don't deserve that, you know what I'm saying, Like what I don't I didn't sign up for that, you know what I mean? Like it's what we said earlier, like I'm I'm just about the wraps. I'm not about all of this, saying

like I'm not about you know, the gray area. You know, it's one thing or the other thing with me, you know what I mean, Like you're my friend, you know, And and that's how I am with my friends though, you know, like if if there's an issue, if I have an issue with some of one of my friends have issues with something, we bring it to the table. We talked about it, we yell about it, whatever needs to happen, and then we come to a solution, a resolution.

And that's what we did. We came to a resolution. He told he apologized to me, He told me he loved me, he didn't want me to feel like that. I accepted his apology and that was to my job, right And um, you think him and m were right to partitiation or that was just his opinion. It's not really a beef. I think it's definitely not a beef. It's not a beef. I mean, m didn't like it,

you know, like I can't. I'd be a fool to say here and try to speak for Marshall, you know what I mean, Like he feels how he feels about it. You know, we've had conversations here and there about it. You know, Joe feels how he feels. I think anything can be rectified through conversation. If that's something that they chose to do in the future, you know what I'm saying right now, that's dope. I hope, I hope. I

hope they work it out. Um. I just I just feel like, you know, I get with it's coming from because it's coming from like the inside, you know what I'm saying. And because I think Marshall was that album still we went like platinum and still went or whatever. So like do you do you you ever think how how weird that is? Like you can see a person like how big Marshall is or how big jay Z is and how big Dos is and they pay attention to the little like yeah, like that's kind of like

how they got to where they are. Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like if you think about that's how they got to where they are, and it's like it's inspiring. Man. In I was just talking about this the other day. I was saying, you could you just have Floyd on the show, and um, one thing that I admire about Floyd in the ring is that the way he makes adjustments, you know, like the champion in him comes out, Like when he got caught with the Big Shot from Shane.

The champion in him came out, and that person right there, you cannot judge that person, you know what I'm saying. That person right there's the top, the tippity top of the top tier. And that's what I think that we're seeing Marshall doing. Now he's making his adjustments, you know, like he's he's he's been flawless. He went flawless for a lot of years straight, and now he's under scrutiny and he needs to find a different way to do certain things. And now he's making adjustments and they just

keep getting better and better and better. If you look since Revival, ships just been better and better for better. Now his last this last album that he just put out music to everybody, to me, in my opinion, it's the best one since Recovery. You know what I'm saying, He's got music already that he's been recording, right, I'm sure I don't mean you would know you produced produce. I produced. I produced two songs on his last on this album. I produced two songs on it. I'll produce

You're Gonna Learn and Darkness. So nothing that you've produced that you know is coming out still not that I'm aware of. But you've given production over. I've given it. He got he's probably got some Yeah, he got some beats of money he hasn't wrapped to. But um, I don't know. I don't know what he's been doing. I'm talking to Marshall in a minute. It's been months months, so I don't know. I don't know what he's been doing. But um, when he's quiet, when he's quiet, you never know.

You never know what he's gonna, you know what I mean, Like he's doing something he ain't vacation And I'll tell you tell you that now, Tory Lanes. You want Tory Lanes. You have some backing for Yeah? On Twitter? Okay, y'all you worked it out. Of course it wasn't. It wasn't over the headline or nothing like that. Come on, I'm just saying, you know, it wasn't like if I could, if I remember properly, he was. Somebody asked me on Twitter if I felt like this is how they worded it.

They said, do you feel Tory Lanes one against join the Lucas? And I tweeted back no, because I felt like join the one. But I was about to. I was about to tweet, but Tory came with it because I'm a fan of Tory. And before I could do that, he was on it. He was on and I didn't. I didn't add his unge the whole America one. Yeah, he was just he was just on. He was the only one at that moment. I love that fire though.

I love that fire was it wasn't no, it wasn't no offense taken like you really love battle rap like that. I love it. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you the other day, I've been phoning off on battle rap, like you know, it's like really takes a couple of hours of your time, you really. But the other day, obviously, um, I was probably one of the first person I know Marshall picked it up to map hop is um what is it called my my professional opinion or my expert opinion.

I've been big en up forever because if I can't watch the battles, it's like watching first take sometimes, Like sometimes I don't watch the games, but I go and listen for sick anyway, So I'm listening to map hopor whatever, and then um, it goes off and this is a battle that I just saw and let me know if you saw this. But the dude, this is the first like friendly battle I saw in a long time. And I could tell these guys were friendly with each time. But the dude battle and other dude he puts on

the Walmark outfit. Did you see this one? And smack? Because one of the dudes worked in Walmart and the dude got the dude got the drop that he worked and Wald what Yo, this was hilarious. My god, you gotta look at this stuff. He put the Walmart offre. Yeah, So I don't know what's going on because I'm out of the loop, right, So I'm I don't look, so I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. Okay, guys, I don't know what's going on. So I'm looking and he's like, oh, you think I

don't know where you work at? So he turns around and they put a hat on him and they put a vest on them. But from the angle and watched it, I can't tell. We're gonna investor ship. So he turns around, he goes, he goes some ship. You to do that when we walk out of the store, you'd be checking out receiving this is the craziest ship. So, I mean it was like the first time because battle rap at first to me was was your friends, it was yo yo. But then somewhere along the line, you know what, let

me bick a map off again with him. He on into snuffing to the game and everyone knows it down. Now this is a possibility. You can't get snuffed or you might be the one doing the snuffing. So it kind of and then now I'm started excellent. I seeing more and more fights. So even see a white guy actually used the N word and they snuffed in which I think he should have got snuffed again. I think the whole crowd should snuffed him. Um. But you know

it's it's it's it's it's repetitive. It is so just for me to see two brothers just go on stage and I mean they tore it into each other. So you should google it's smack uh Google. We'll come back to it. But it was I could you not, Like tears came out of my eyes, like literally I had to call my man Will Millions. I was like, yo, who is this guy? He's like, oh, that should happened in Queens. I was like, damn, I didn't even know what happened, and I couldn't because you know what it was.

It was on like an Explorer page, so you know how like you know how you like something will come up on on that somebody you're not even following, for somebody your affiliate following, and that ship popped up and how could you not? It was one of those those joints Royce. It was so good that I don't even want to be winded, like you know usually see it was good you want to watch, but he got his

wonder course so good the first time. I didn't even need to I remember, like like if you don't even remember the words, I remember the basics of the conversation, but if you finally let me know. But a battle Rapper, didn't you have a league? Wasn't you a part of the league? Like? Okay? That was the only thing on BT correct now. It was on the Fuse network, on the Fuse Confused network. Basically, Basically what we did was

we put some battle Rappers in the house. You ever seen the UFC reality show where they are where all the fighters live with each other, and they all came they see the UFC one I thought, I thought the Rappers one was the first one. So that's where the UFC thing was first. That's kind of like where the idea came from. Okay, so we put we put Battle Rappers all in the house and they all battled each other,

battled their way this event to this big event. This is a you know, you remember, I'm terrible with years, man was I know I was sober. I know I was sober. I remember, I remember because I remember. If I wasn't sober, I wouldn't remember. Um, I can't remember exactly what year was, but um, I'm pretty sure y'all

can fact checking and just on the screen. But it was everything was leading to this big event which was loaded lux Verse Murder muk too, you know what I'm saying, which was the follow up to a super super classic, super super classic battle in battle Rap history. And I believe we both times. Yeah, we put it in. We put it in. Um, we put it on pay per view and it was oh, I'm sorry, button hollow as well. Do listen, I listen, Joe, You're a man. Do not get a step in that battle arena again. I was

very embarrassed. People to Mike, damn you don't think he did well. He did that, you know, I can't, shouldn't he just shouldn't have put the mic down. You know what it is. He's a virgo virgo and we're very annoyed. But the thing about it is our power is not showing re annoyed. Right, he showed he was annoyed that

day and he lost from that moment. The thing is that that's the thing is like you ever noticed, he ever noticed when a battle rapper is battling, they'd be like, let me cook, let me cook, let me, let me, let me relieve it, let me work, let me work, let me work. That's said that distracted him. The crowd is distracted him. But that's the way of saying I'm not being distracted back. But now listen to that same person saying you chill, y'all. That's not the same confidence.

If y'all, if y'all, don't shut it up about now, every tetop, Okay, y t toop did this thing. Man tetop did this thing. But you know so, um, I don't. I don't think. And I heard you say this the other day, and I think that's it's funny. I think Joe is better at this profession that he is at rapping. He was a damn good rapper to lys top Ti lyrics, and you know he did all right at at the battle rapping thing. But in terms of no, no, no, no no, let's let's stop, let's stop, let's not be

nice about that. Let's let's just be clear, let's just be clear. I'm sorry, he's my friend. Let's just agree on this in terms of rapping, terms of rapping, rapping, Yeah, that's like what I'm saying. Like, listen, I make great party wrappers, I make great regor, but you get me to be scoop and scrap, I'm not gonna be good. I'm not gonna I don't know how to do the kid and play like. I don't know how to do that. So now I can't. I can't, you know what. Let's just be clear. I can do I can wrap, but

I can't dance. And I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something. I don't really get a lot the with them. I got about four steps in me and that's it. Family, not gonna be happy, but but I got to my my, my, my two to mean steps to two steps. It's so mean. You ain't never gonna catch you on You ain't never gonna catch up. No. Flocker recently just said he he said he was a

whack rapper. I disagree with him. I disagree to I disagree with him, but he said he got to the level Do you think that's that's possible nowadays where people could come into this game knowing that they don't that I don't think in Rocker's case, I don't agree with them, But I'm just saying, dude, there's so many people that are coming in this game now and they say, well, I'm gonna just be like a French Montana will just be like all They'll say, like a Jim Jones or

something like that, as if French Montana or Jim Jones didn't bust. They asked were they're trying to say? It's people that you know, not spending fifteen million hours on lyrics. But do you think that as artists nowadays that does that that they've actually come into this game just for the money, and then that's that. I think it's just about it's about knowing. Goes back to the self defining thing that I'm talking about. It goes back to just

knowing you and then playing to your strengths. You know, everybody is not a super technical lyrical miracle m C. You know, and Walker, Walker just he played to his strengths. Now, I heard songs where he was bussing, when he was straight up bussing, But it seems like he made he made his mind up like Okay, this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna pursue it relentlessly and nobody's gonna stop me. And that's exactly what happened. Honest. See what he meant he said compared to his favorite rappers,

he you know, comed him paying respect. That's just can't say Walker's whack. I ain't gonna he probably what he probably means by this ship. If I'm not gonna be the best at that, then I'm just gonna do this because he's He's great at what he did. But I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily believe that lyrics is the only thing that hardest. Were the best lyricists there were that the flow to me, to me, Biggie's flow. He had lyrics, but it was his flow that that made

you gravitates us. It's a master, it's a master. It's a masterful way to do many things, many things with the rapping ship. You know what I'm saying, like, um, geezy Geezy to me is a lyricist. He just hides it. He hides it in his wag, you know what I'm saying, Like, It's just he has a way of reaching you. He has he has a way of getting directly to his points without using a whole lot of words. And he does it in a way where his inflictions he knows where to put them at in terms of the core

progression and ship like that is genius. The way he does it, it's just not right in your face, the technical part of it. It's just not right in your face, you know what I mean. He has the ability, you know, it's his ability. His ability is through the roof. It's through the roof. Is just done a different ways. The cat I haven't. I haven't, but um it's kind of Is she the one who made the cow song? The cow song? Let's google that. Google that. I'm not sure

the cow song? Right that? That ship chips going right now you ask the question? Come on to a much more with the chair, get another chap? Have we gotta set up so what's going on with mother? Was holding on? No drinking and you never smoked the drink. Yeah, you used to be back in the days, and it was one of the perfect pills too. Listen, man, I'm not

gonna lie. That was the only the only Like damn, I am I going to my exec days right now that I know that's bad for you, But I just like that's fucked up, like like I actually was saving marriages. And one point lies, I ain't never heard that up said after the war war war just in my mind, man, see that. I want to know what war seen my mind as a war. Man. Listen, listen, because probably helped couples. Yeah, your ecstacy, No listen, listen, maybe you can. But yeah,

one person, it's a problem. It's gonna be a c they gonna be. But this is what I heard. Ecstacy was made for people having mad up is the original reason why it was made. Yeah, listen man, I'm just being honest man. Yeah, yeah, because because you know, like if you ever seen your boy ecstasy, like he'll just

be like man, this person because the same ship. But yeah, I'm gonna lie, like the detwelve like like that to all I felt like y'all did a lot of drugs, and I just felt like I should have been there with y'all at that time. At that time, No, man, I don't know how much, how much how much asked what y'all getting and it was college it was it was that was like college ship. He was getting white girl one wi like, yeah, I was getting the bitches right. It's just too much, too much what I mean, I

don't know. It was like it was just we was kids kids, So I just felt like wild ass parties every so um after um Proof what what what? Because everyone sit back and uh, And I believe M said it on the record he said, um, truth is and Proof died, so did the group. But a lot of people say it's even deeper than that, like it's saying a part of the Detroit die when Proof died? What

do you what? Do you guys feel like that? Yeah, But I also feel like I think a lot of that when that happened, you gotta think that the again, in star power of who M was, who M is, that overshadowed everybody grief too, And like a lot of people didn't get to you know, it was like it became about him and how he was grieving and yeah, yeah, so you know you kind of missed A lot of

people might have missed it. A proof was so important, you know, it just got overshadowed by that, which is something that happened when somebody that big, but it was for me. I felt like that. It was like everybody was going through their own thing individually, but you couldn't really go through it without getting Oh man, I know him funked up. I know, you know, like that just made me not It just made me get away from it. But I was coming once the once that happened, I

was done. I was done. No, just with the group ship. I couldn't. I tried, but I couldn't really keep going on, you know the end of it. Basically, Yeah, I mean business. You gotta think business people handle business differently. And I was affected a lot in it because every time I would do something, produce for somebody else, or do something, it was going back to recouping the deal that we

was in as a group. And so when I tried to go my own way and do that, it was like they didn't understand why I wanted to do it. But that's what happened. And you and you improve y'all. Yeah you got arrested after Like, yeah, I pulled up. Damn your Mike is there? You got you gotta forgot pe infection on the ship. I forgot first. I ain't even trust ourselves, like let's do it's a guy. But so then, how did you work that situation up? We're been jailed together and get out of here. He pulled

out on each other, the dog with the jacket. I was in the sale. I was in the sale and he was in the sale. Next ye mean we're talking to each other through the wall and this is jail for each other. The wall um Proof was Proof was like he's such a dynamic individual. Man. He was having like the phone was ringing off the hook, different lawyers calling. What I was saying, This nigger had all kind of food being brought in and you know what I'm saying.

Like it was like it was like crazy. He was actually the reason why I got out so fast because it was like he was he was bringing too much attention to the like the pre sinking ship. Did you notice he was like bringing too much attention to the precinct. They just let us out. They were just like, man, we let y'all out. I think I heard you know

what I'm saying. So it was like, but we we were able to talk and just really put things in perspective, and that was like early on I think I learned the words of communication just by going through that with him, because like how deep we were into the ship, you know what I'm saying, And then how we were able to just nip it in the bud just that fast, just talking, you know, because right before we got arrested,

you know, it got tense. It could have went one of one of two ways, you know what I'm saying. So for us to be able to nip that in the bud that fast, and then for me and this man to get as close as we ended up being after it just it's a testament to you have to find resolution, and then you have to also realize how powerful we are as a collective. The things that me and this man can do in the studio together, it's way more valuable than any type of energy we can

cross being negative toward each other, you know what I mean? Now, what's the difference? Um uh? Because Drey was up front about it and Puff was up front about it, what's the difference between like you writing around for Diddy or you writing around for dre uh did he did? He is way more picky, well, at least at that moment, Jack obviously, because I'm here, I'm hearing, I'm hearing the dres. Is he real picky now? Because back then and I when I was working with him on that Chronic on

the Chronic album, he wasn't. Really, he wasn't as picky as Puff. I've never been in the studio with somebody as picky as Puff. Playboy put that thing on that Playboy just made me write first over and over and over and over. And I just walked away from that situation learning so much because it was up until I worked with Puff that I never rewrote my own raps. So this nigga made me rewrite the same rap so

many times. I'm thinking to myself, like, wait a minute, am I not putting the same effort into my own ship? So what pup project are we talking about? People like yeah, I wrote tell Me with Christina Agiley, so so, and then how was and you wrote Kanye Ship. I was trying, I was trying to look at that crazous. I felt my eyes and started like get funny and he looked that day, I gotta let it go. But um, but

that's a beautiful thing. I think. One of my favorite rappers, Easy Easy on the Record, said, I didn't realize this. Twenty years later he said, I s Q right, surrise that I say, and I was like, oh ship. Three years later I was like, what the fun he was? I listening to the businessman talking, Yeah, I've been businessman. What what makes what makes them different from Drake? From Drake? Yeah, Um, I don't I don't think it's much of a difference.

I mean Drake to me, it'd be hard for me to like put a finger on exactly what Drake is in that conversation because I don't know. He's an R and B singer. Don't R and B singers get away with that. But you're trying to say that, I don't want somebody else write about how much? How much is other people? Right? Because when I've seen Drake interviews, he

pretty much he said he write pretty much everything. And he took some ideas we need to go fund me for good, like we need to go fund me not fun like money, like he need to have some fun like that. I think you need to go to a dream park or something like great adventures like that. That it was a little sad, bro I apologize when you look at it from his perspective, the way he was saying that, I was like, damn, that's his perspective is perspective.

I understand where he's coming from in that sense. I just you know what the thing is this if you've never been a casual to a war like sometimes you like, I've been a casualt to you a war, I've been in a place where a person used me and then they they and I understand it. You know what I'm saying. I understand. I understood where I had to be at that moment. It's not in this level. It's not in this level like this level like when I seen him and it was what m if you're reading this, it's

too late. And he was saying that everyone's posting a plaques and everyone's collateral damage. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So I would hope that they reach out to him, because I mean, both of them at this point they're cool. Yeah, but how would they do that? Was he being with them too? That? No? No, what it was. What it was was Woma has it woman? Has it. This is all what do they call it? Um here saying what

do they say? Um? So the speculation though, um all allegedly all allegedly allegedly Meek DJ Drama cool people both from Philadelphia meet, goes to Atlanta see his this record a couple of weeks later. Is that same record he heard with this other dude spitting on the radio and that happens to be Drake that spit in these lines, Meek has that in his mind. Whatever happens, I think Drake is supposed to come out to the concert with him, he doesn't come out me. That's when me does the

thing on Twitter or whatever. This is all allegedly, right Boom Quittin Millers caught up in this now they all did because because you know, no one else later on we found out of this DJ Drama people say that. People say allegedly that because Drake was messing with one of the DJ Drama's girls, that he's no longer with maw. So this is why D Drama owes us this story. He has to come on here. Um. But so during

the whole process, Quentin Miller's court in the process. At first, it looks like yo dude, you get you get what you get, right, you get what you get. You use on that side, that side, then the side squatss to be. Yeah, I don't know whose ring is that is, but you gotta grow up. You gotta get out. You gotta get out. The toys arrest man, that's the Dominican barber. That's that's to us close man, toys arrest isn't even over no more. But yeah, I mean quitting, Um, I listened. I've been

the war, like for twenty years. I'm doing different types of war. I never feel sorry for a person they get caught in collaidal with damage or this is my first time when I've seen him like he didn't even have nobody feeling for him, Like it was a selfie like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean, Like I don't mean it like like you know, but he was like he just I think he looked depressed though, and it was snow, but I feel like

he has shorts on. Doesn't worried me the most, really depressed, like he didn't look happy. It was not a happy thing from Yeah, I kind of agree with you, and that's like that's the kind of ship to me today. That worry me, like about a lot of arts. But that's what see you know. But that's the difference between you working with Dr Dre and a puff where pretty much upfront about it, and then you're working with a person because a lot of people that's that's how a

lot of people probably fail. It's like, yo, if I'm gonna let you give me a couple of bars, that's between us. So this was like the first ghostwriter that was that was labeled a ghost because most the definition the ghost is you don't really know what the funk it is, you know what I'm saying. So this is the first ghost writer that we've we found out and it's for a big artist because I never knew. I

never knew any ghost writers. I never Yeah, but who didn't like for I knew he wrote for let's not be clear, let's not let's not act like we didn't see produces ghost produced as well. Yeah, coming so many times that I was like, you know, got an L. S. B or got a Kirk Gotti bet and track masters to me on my on my ships never came to the student session. I don't know what they deal becausists of I don't know how that worked, but I know that you know what I'm saying. And to me, that

was ghost producing. I think the production thing is a little bit more blurry though, because the producer be like, no, it's gonna workload and then I'm gonna I'm gonna pick out things and to me, I got to disagree with you. To me, it's a little bit more fouldent because at least it's that artist you know saying it, but a

producer is not even getting the credit. Well, I mean that's the thing, Like if you always make sure the person get the credit, the problem is that person is getting the credit, they probably have a problem with it. Later you can have that agreement and then they come back and be like it's like but if you're doing that and you're going out of your way. Back then,

credit was everything, right, that's all you want. Now today you don't know who the funk did what unless you got women once a more those there's a lot of that to go on with those two. Like I mean not saying they're faking the tax, but they have whole units of people. It's not like just one person, Like I know, I know a lot of the dudes that do it, like they make a million beat today, but like sometimes they still work or they collabor a lot with a lot of other you know, to producers today,

it's never just one thing. To me, it's like there'll be a lot of people in the room. Sometimes you know, it's bad. It's bad when the person the beats and all the producer who's quote unquote producing all, he's doing his drops. Sometimes production is being a conductor. Yep. And that's what people don't understand. That's actually the original producer. It is the conducer of a band. A lot of people didn't say this band of sound and I am

the producer a lot of producers. There's Whoopoff made magic with a lot of producers. Is a producer magic producer. It was with earth Gotti, may Magic with them as soon as earth Gotti, as soon as Drey, as soon as Paul left them. I'm saying reducing those are the saying it's a deal because under that when they were doing it, everybody was fine with the situation. But when those records take off, then they're like, he's not the producer.

That's that's right, right, that's actually that's that's when it's corny. Yeah, what what's what's easier for This question goes to both for y'all, because there's there's this, there's there's beatmakers, and then there's producers. Like I always credit for Rall but being my first production I had, I had beats before, but for Wrell came to me and was like, just give me the rhymes. That was and I had the rhymes and he did every fucking thing. Whoever whisper with blacks.

But what's the difference to y'all, what is easier for you to work with a person who's producing the beat? Are just doing a beat or a person who's actually producing the record? It's dead for the hook there for the and now as a producer, yeah, I mean I can. I consider myself a producer, so I could do both, like, but it's just it just has to be a producer that I trust. So if I'm working with him, I'll just give I can just give him the raps. I'm

good with that promote. I can just give him the wraps, you know, um if it's if it's um. The difference to me is a beat maker just makes beats. That's it. Beat maker makes beats and and they're good too. I'm not trying to beat Let me let me just clarify that, I'm not trying to sound dismissive at all, Like beat makers are dope. I love beat makers. Beat makers. They can send beats all day and we can take them. It's a different part of the process. Yes, it's just

a different part of the process. A producer seats to all the way through, so somebody like him or somebody like me can come into the room and we may take something away from it that may make it what it needs to be. It's just knowing how to get it there. That's it. Everybody start out and when you start, when you go in the studio, you're gonna start off just making beats. It's gonna be one thing that you're gonna gravitate towards and anything you start producing that idea

more than something else. You spend more time on that one thing. Right, So I think everybody can do butth But when you say a beat maker, that's people that I think about when I go to something the beat to beat, uh, like showcases and stuff like that. That's what they do. They come into wow you in that first two You know what I'm saying, and that's it. They don't even think about the music and how a

person gotta wrap over it. You don't know what party gonna wrap over none of that, Like I'll get it. I used to give him a beat and we used to Now we won't probably have those arguments be could I give him the beating in here give back? And it's like, man, why you wrap over that part? Yeah? Like I didn't know I was getting on the nerves when I was doing that. I realized that until he started happening to produce for Marshall and I get him

a beating. He took it and flipped it all around and made it and I heard it like whoa, But so now I know what are he's talking about. If you start off with just some people start off they just making peace. But until they learned, until somebody turned out enough music from him, was like, let's say they get your beating, you don't rep on and it's like, damn, man, why ain't it landing Because you're not producing it for somebody, You're not leaving space for him. You're just trying to

show off. Like I love the idea, but you know, I might take the idea and turn it into whatever. You know, you might break it down and give it to a person and arrange it the right way. You might change something slight as and sneering something. Those things matter, The little things matter. So just depending on the person and who you're getting from. There's a lot of beat makers, but producers, it ain't a lot of that going on.

It ain't a lot of that going on. You could tell. Yeah, it feels that way too, because a lot of the records wouldn't sign the same producers help with the artist development too. I think that's a that's another element that's missing, the whole artist development. That's that's what I'm drying back to the game. Should we need to work together? Yeah, I want to. I wanna um. I want to help

round artists. That's all we're trying to do. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, like because I mean, sorry like to say this and like, you know, sorry to bring this up, but you know, everyone rest in piece to pop smoke. You know what I'm saying. Let's have a moment of silence. If your guys are back there, let's don't let's don't move for at least eight seconds.

For Kobe, you know, I mean recipes Kobe of speech prop smoke, But it was something that hit me about pop Smoke was I've been going to those Hollywood hills like where that should happened for twenty years. We only rent those places for parties. We do not rent those

places to stay to live there, to live there. So I felt like, you know, that's why young homies, you should reach out to your ogs, you know what I'm saying, Like he could have hit a person like Buster, and Buster would have told him a meeting like yo, you listen, man,

that's that's cool to kill there. But you know, it didn't necessarily have to be meat, didn't necessarily have to be you know, but bust the rhymes a fact, Joe, Like, there's people that could tell you I'm saying, especially being from New York, Like, that's why you know, it's important you guys with a t grizzy situation because he should reach out for game for you like and especially because I don't I don't you know, our time we really

didn't have drama like that. But the fact that's got to remember Biggie Smalls got killed from he was going out there, so we was taking precautions like I remember renting those mansions or renting those houses rather and not even staying there. Like we would literally rent there, have a taste makers meeting or whatever, have something, and then as soon as we would all break out, you know what I'm saying. So when I seen that now to say that that was the only thing that happened to Pops,

because I don't want to you know what I mean. Um, but it was just it's just simple game like that that we can help our young brothers with, you know what I'm saying, And um, I want to. I want to help do that. I want to help people transition from being just a rapper to being a personality, to being a podcaster to being h radio or someone on radio or something like that, because you know what, rap is a vehicle and the vehicle is not something you

should live in. Vehicle is something to get you from one place to another. For that, I felt smart just now, I'm not drinking. The journey. It's a journey. The success is a journey. I've been telling my youngest this. This is the success is a journey. In the art itself is a destination. It's a place that you need to get to get to that place and just express yourself and then through that all things are possible. You could

do anything off of that platform. And you know what I noticed very starry to cut um change it up a little bit. You know, I notice the older we get and we're still successful, the easier it is for the youngest to listen to it. I feel like, the older we get and if we don't have that success, that we don't have certain that's easy because I used to be like that when I was younger, Like who is that? Like you want to tell me what did

he go platinum for? Like you know what I'm saying that you'd be saying, like dumb ship like that then. So that's the reason why I'm gonna be honest with you. That's the reason why I don't reach out to some of these young generation dudes, like because I figured myself like when I first, um, I say this, I've said this before when I first met Walker Flocca and when

I first met me, I didn't like them. But I realized I didn't like them because they reminded me of me, and I hate see twenty four year old met eight. I was like, what them like? You know what I'm saying, I was like, that's wild, Like, do you think do you think though that today that that is that we totally acted different though we treated like I was excited to me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah difference. It's like they're

only excited to me. You think they're just excited to meet the people that I mean kind of kind of you know, I mean it kind of it kind of um damn. It kind of existed the fact that you know, we all old niggas godless of we want to you know, we're looking good, we're looking good, and so many other people like Kanye is actually older than me, but Kanye came out later than me, came out in that type

of generation. So they look at Kanye like he's twenty years younger than me, and they look at me like I'm nine hundred because I came out seven herb and seven. So they're like, what, you know, what I think they need to understand they should try to understand is that we don't have to care. That's where we could we could take it. We could take our money and just go chill on the boat somewhere and be like we got y'all, stay in the trenches. You know what I mean,

because I don't think it's a young man's game. I think I think, you know, but I don't even say because of that, I'm I'm talking about the way that young people look at evolving. It's not a young man no no, but for them, the currency that matters is like s and follows. Like if this old lady is popping, she's the ship right now. So it's not a young man or young lady's game anymore. She's popping, So I want to take a photo with her, So that's what matters. Like, Yeah,

that's what matters. That's what that's interesting though. Yeah, that's like that, that's what That's what we're having a hard time wrapping our heads around. But like all is the biggest R and B singer out right now, comedian, Yeah, this is real ship. Every fucking record he dropped I funk with Man, don't black Man, Don't cheat, um uh my ole bit, and then he got this other ship. I ain't even on this ship, but I look nasty.

I'm like, what the fun people are making nasty videos and they got wild looking the nigga, looking at the nigga, nasty. Holy ship people. People, people are open to be entertained in any anyways. Anyway, little Walls the biggest that Nigga is like the new usher that little ball the new usher man. But but real quick, but back to everything

we're talking about. And this is my opinion. I think that what you're doing and it's it's about us being comfortable in our skins and doing what we do and and artfully doing it and not thinking about what they're thinking about, which is the likes and the follows is what's where we're gonna We're gonna follow that lead. We need to be the O g s that we were supposed to be. That conversation, it's like, don't numbers and all that kind of should it just never mattered. It

can't matter. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter, man, don't matter. That's all they think about that. I mean, we gotta pay bills, if we gotta pay attention to all that ship. We gotta understand that it just happens. Though. Yeah, I got like, you know, friends, you know people that I do. You know I do things well, you know, and they'll still be like, can you follow me on the grams? Like you just asked me for Yeah, you already following like me, this is the fun up world we're living in.

You know, like this is it's currency. It literally is like when you think about it in that way, that's

the currency. Listen, that's what they But we can't see it that way of coming from where we come from because you know why we was talking to move away from the cameras we were talking, not like if we really know people from our era, like the first five minutes of them being on camera it's uncomfortable, but they technically be looking like this like anybody that's really from like the nineties, that's really they're like the first five

seconds of them walking into something st pay attention, then looking at their head down because everything that they were towards said this is the you know, we're legal now, so that that it only takes five minutes, So that six minutes you're like, yo, motherfucker, you gotta get in here,

you got do your job. But that first five minutes, that's that's why I know Meek is a real nigga's because if you look at Meek's interviews, like his first people like this, it's because he comes from that that like to stay right from the ship as opposed to this. Like I said, there's people that do things for the people are asking me for a favor. People will ask me to do this or ask me can they come over here? And I'll do it and I'll take a picture with them, and then they'll say, well, can you

follow me on the girl phone? And I'm like, damn, my dude, like I followed you in real life. In real life, you just call gone. We had drinks in my kitchen. When you have that, that's all that always bothered me. It's like, you don't like this, you don't do this. You don't do this, like you got my phone number, just her favorite one. You don't even follow me on the ground like like like you deliberately not like I over that my phone is that I'm not

following listening. You know, I just can't get around to it. You don't that you're not even gonna see the message. I ain't gonna see you. One of my holies, one of my tour of my homies, is arguing one day about me on my ground, about me. It's like, you know, he said, you know the homies. See you said, now, I don't think the Homiesee, you got so much followers. He said, you know, he got to see my name though, said listen, man, homies, you know, and I did see.

It's like your comments. These things had a twelve day comments like you know, I'm looking like damn nigga. Now I'm not answering, you know, because I wanted to. I wanted to do the little hard and like you know, high watching like you know when they're talking, like I listened to it. I watched it. I said, you know what, other niggas just fight it out. I'll tell you. I'll tell you another thing I learned. I learned the hard

way to following certain women on the Graham's cheating. Oh yeah, yeah, and like if you realized that, yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Wait a minute too, okay following brother, Okay, No, I knew that when you found it. Don't like a picture like like divorce, you got a pretty talking you you like it? This man copy minds with you here, like I didn't know that's like the new form of kid like. I didn't know that. First of all, I didn't know how the d M. I didn't I didn't

and didn't know how to DM. No, I didn't know a DM. I didn't even know it was a whole. No, the that's a hold on the planet knows another DM in the DM what g and then primary, oh yeah got multiple MN ship. That ship I don't even get because well I found out every now and then because it'll be an artist that would hit me, or be

a football player that would be like yo. And so every now and then I had to learn how to do that because someone wanted to see me in the club and it'll be like a real like like yo, and I'm like word, and I'm like, how about to do this? And I'd like to do One thing you don't want to do is actually white how do you work to d M s Because it's like it's like figure it out, Like I was like, this is in

case of some accident. I don't want to do. You know, I don't know like it listen, ain't acting on it when you know everything and then you want to look and say alright, cool, this it on me. I still got it. It was. It makes it nor that it's not. But social media, like I always imagine Tupac with a Twitter man like man one of the East Coast, West Coast, because I think he wouldn't hear. I think he would have hated Instagram. I think Pun would have destroyed Instagram.

He would have comedic. I think he was I think he would have been the main killer. I think Biggie Smalls would have been the thriller king TikTok, yeah something. Biggie was one of the most trendiest, funniest people ever hilarious. Pun Pun was big was like no hold on to be back. Big was was was fun because he was the first one, Like he was the first one I've ever seen it. So I felt like Pun took all

the Biggie ship and took it and perfected it. Like Pun would really have water gun fights, but I'm talking about zero zero below in the morning, like like, like, listen to me, this is one of the fucking worst ship I've ever seen. They was running traders with these bitches. We want to find that. Hey man, it's running trisy business is on. This is on thirty second or twenty third Street like by Kelsea Dina And I don't know why they wanted to do this, but this is how

it was in the nineties. So Pun stances two boys to fill up the super Squirter. But it's zero below outside Bro, this was the the Sprint of Vans. Before they was to Sprint of Vans. He was calling the fantastic right. So they jump off with the two girls and punting. Since this guys the load of the Supersquirter. But for some reason, I go off to smoke a cigarette. I smoked cigarettes there, and I see them loading up the supersquirter. The problem was they were loading up the

super Squirriter with the snow slush. M hmm, foul. You know. I imagine there's some yellow snow. I can't visually see it, but so I looked, and this is when I knew I was officially a foul nigger because I was smoking a cigarette and I seen the girls coming out. I could have fully warned these bitches, like go the other way, but I wanted and everything. My mama heard. My mama telling me, boy, tell them, girls are going and I was like, Mama, let me just see this. And I

stood there. I looked, and they didn't even talk to each other putting them. They just looked at each other and then chicks came out and they squirted up. And I'm telling you, it was so cold that her ship got icicles like her damn, And I was like, oh, and then she following around him. I got the ship on tape. It's terrible, Like it's terrible documentary. So you you forgot to mention that she were videotaping. Yes, I totally got that. More got told you I saw that

was part of the whole process. I was mama and video table. I wasn't proud of it, but that's the ship that we used to do in the nineties. Like the nineties was just a totally different era. No one was telling y'all, this was none of this. Do you think a person like Sakashi sixth line would exist in this game? Then? I don't know if they would have been able to know, but I was around. But you know what, I'm gonna be honest, and I think me and Finn has admitted to this a couple of times,

not once. I think it's awful, not him per se, not him per se. But like I said earlier, like I didn't really reach out to a lot of the young dudes. I really just didn't because I for a long time the older people in the hip hop at first, they really didn't accept me. They didn't embrace us. Like that because the older you know, the Mellie Miles, the Grand Master Flashes at first, and now that I'm not in their position, but now that I'm older, I see

like like like I like Gazella Gazella the other day. Um, you know, we want them to get on. But you know, it's not like I gave him a trial period, but I wanted to make sure they was gonna be like and once they was there, like and I felt like, I feel like Mellie Mele grandmus to Flash cool heard. I feel like all of them kind of gave me that too. It kind of was like, I, homeboy, you got a great album, war report is good, boom all you came back with an R EO or what what?

That's something different? But they made me and then once I said yo, I'm here. Once I then they embraced me. You know what I'm saying. But I felt like I felt like this whack. Let me tell you why. I feel like you should embrace everybody from them agin and then and I feel like it's oppously. I feel like we should brace everyone from the beginning. And then those

person uh get their way out of that circle. They earned their way out of the circle, as opposed to say, you know what, I'm gonna keep you out of the circle until you you deserve yourself in and the way less mistakes because because you know what, I took on that thing, and I would look at certain artists and even drink chance. To a certain extent, this is only for people who've been here ten years. So um so so even it's to a certain extent, it's like I, um,

we have to bid certain rules. We have to like if a person's here for seven years, you're putting in network, and I know you're gonna be here. You're here for five years, you put in net work, I know you're gonna be here. You gotta you gotta, you know what I mean. So but I think there's no but I think it was all. I think what the reason why I said is our fault is that when we grew up and saying the nineties era, early nineties, we wasn't like I didn't grow up in grad match flash Mellie

mel Era, I didn't. We didn't dress like them. Actually that didn't era, do you know what I'm saying? But that yeah, and even then. But but what I'm trying to say is the Arab right that we were listening to was bigging them up. And so we took them and said, if you say that this is the way, then this is our pioneers, and we gotta respect this.

And so when I said that what what our generation did, and I say, all, I'm not saying that I did this, DJ, I definitely didn't do this, you know what I'm saying. But I'm saying totality, we did not do the same thing for the younger generation coming after us. We didn't say, hey, guys, we're gonna pick these people up so much that you're gonna have to automatically say, of course these are our pioneers. Of course, these are the people we should look up to.

We stopped because this is when hip hop started making money and we wanted to be forever. We wanted to be popping balls in the club, and we were like, we don't care about people before us, and were looking at we were looking at each other as competition. Yeah, and we was looking at the young ins like competition back then, you know, and me getting drunk every day. But it's a financial thing too. It was a financial stop putting things in perspective. I'm just on the chase.

I'm on the chase, and I'm figuring things out as I go. Now that I get to this place, it's like fun. Damn. It never was about that. It never was about that. It never was about being a tough guy, never was about you know what I'm saying. Like, and then you're able to put things into perspective once you get to that place, you gotta apply that ship. You gotta apply it, you know what I mean, and started

to cut you out. But the difference is I feel today is that people respect the dollar, what what people made in this industry, where I feel like our generation respected what you did for the culture, Like you didn't have to make a goddamn dollar. But if you, if I knew that you were important to the culture, that you were the richest person in the world in my mind. You know, I've seen that Mexican kid that rhymed on l alekas what's his name, I don't know Mexican kid.

He is hard what's his name? I don't know viral from Tiajuana at all. Yeah, but he don't look at like he looked like he's moving reeen like he like he don't like like hey like I'm told about, but I'm to about his bars, like I don't know what to be seen playing. Let me see, let me see his face. He's on the l A leaguers because I was on yard long here. Yeah, like I told you, look at the wolf. What's his name? Let me see? Yeah? Oh man, he care because I'm watching l A leaking

ship and then he popped up right after that. I'm like, because I'm looking like, hold on, man, you know, booming and he starts spinning home and ship hip hop is different, man, But yeah, we sucked up? Man. Just what the fund is that a lot of people. I felt like some people may have may have been they might not be able to embrace the newer generation because they feel like they ship might be running out, or they might have been a little scared the turner, you know, the past

that along the fast. I'll tell you the truth. I think it's actual. I think it's deeper than wrap things. Actually, the neighborhoods like if you realize and again, um, this is allegedly because I don't know technically, if you look like Chicago, I remember Chicago was safe. It was still dangerous for people in Chicago, but it was safe because all the ogs had everything in control. I remember going to compete Green two thirty three o'clock at night and

nis like, Nori, you're good. I'm hearing shots and like the shots going over there. You're good, you stay right here. I remember that. But then it was up time when they took all the ogs away. And this is when Chicago to me, this is allegedly. There's no pure facts. This is just what I see since the o G since to Larry, who was since these people got took away, Since these you know, I don't want to keep since they got took away, Chicago is the wildest place on art.

It's not one of the wilders. But I'm telling you that. For me, I don't know saying this is facts. But when I seen the old g s there, I felt safer. It was it was an order, like people wasn't just doing nothing. Now it feels like the wild wild Watch. I could be wrong, but but what you're saying happened on the street level. I feel like hip hop didn't itself. We took ourselves out of That's my point. My point was we followed the streets. I'm saying that right, But

the streets people got locked up. The system took him out of the streets. We just said we got locked up to but it's it's reporters just said it's we got locked up. In the mind. If I helped this is a little dude, then they might start working with him. Something. I felt like some people might have had that right, and they've been and of course the younger generation we I mean ship, we might have felt like that plenty of times when we walked in and people was more

scared of what you could do. Of course you're scared people when you do that fast, because that's that's that's what it's about. Collaboration is about me giving you my fans you give me. Yeah, that's what That's what we were. That's what we remember. And we can't deny the the industry side of it, Like the the machine that doesn't care about culture, doesn't care about what's going on. They're just like, we just want to make money and investment,

and so they don't care. So whatever they think is a fat they're gonna go ahead and replicate it and then keep it moving, you know, and then they spend marketing dollars to market that to you. Right, This is the kind of record you need to be making. So all the youngest coming up just all they gotta do is watch TV and they just want to be that. I heard you say that when you got the Sony, When you got the Sony, that you hired the stylus, you you had grinded what that wasn't your that that

wasn't your idea. No, okay, you remember the stylars name. I remember her name, but I don't want to I don't want to say because she was a good star, she was a good stolars. It just the things that she was pulling. It wasn't me, you know what I mean. Everyone has a shiny sup moment in the hip hop everyone um today huh today, I'm telling like us, like

our generation. I think. I think. I think I think because when we come into the game, we're accepting, you know what I mean, because we don't really know exactly what we I didn't know. I didn't even know how to make albums, So you know, of course I was willing to try some ship because at that moment, I just thought I wanted to be famous, you know what I mean. So it's like, you know, everything is trial area, so you you're willing to you're willing to try some things.

You don't want to be looked at. It's hard to work with. You don't want to be looked at. It all these things which I ended up being called all of those things. Anyway, you look for change. And I used to go on the elevators and white ladies just look at me and be like, what did anybody look at you crazy for having a goat? Because you know, I'm just white. People looked at you. Everybody looks at

you crazy. But but but but but in retrospect, because goat like really something, this is nominous for our culture. I don't see other people saying go and really like, so you have a goat grain You've ever been on a plane and somebody just looked at you. I haven't warned it on the plane yet. You haven't worn it on the plane yet. But it attracts a lot of attention. It attracts a lot of attention. That's why I don't really wear it that much. I mean I had it. I had it on pretty much every day for my

for my for my press round from intensive purposes. But I don't really wear it like that, man, you know, because whenever I wear it. Somebody asked me something. It made you get it. I wanted to pay my respects to all the goats. I wanted to pay my respects to all the goats. And also, um, I think the world on myself lyrically, and I want to show the younger generation that you should think the world to yourself. So you know you are saying you are a goat.

I'm saying that. I'm saying that. I'm in the conversation. Now, goddamn, let's say you are saying you are. I listened to your albums. I wanted you to not I wanted you. I wanted to catch a slip up. I wanted to catch like you. You know, I'm tight with a vocal or being lazy somewhere, and you really took gift for the time, and I am I correct with that like you like damn always. I mean not when I was drinking. Okay, yeah, I listened the whole for the album. I had to

do the whole ship all drunk. I did it all drunk. I wasted. I'm telling you this classic though, what makes the classics. I'm telling you, man, you go back and you fix all that ship. It's too clean to this day. I won't. I won't. I won't sucking drink while I vocals because it's a wasting time. You notice a difference, No, I always slar like even if no one else can't catch it. I listened to myself and like fun because you're thinking more now, Yeah yeah yeah black. Then it

was more of a film. Yeah yeah, So like, um I did uh? I record with Mr Elliott on um I'm flat album, azy dogged out and I'm gonna get what we did. And I don't know if it was Missy people's I was drinking with, but I got drunken ship and I just laid whenever the fundus up and then Missy later hush, And I just always knew to change my first I always knew, but I go, like, damn, we did it like in the same vicinity, and if I do what, I'm gonna be able to suck it.

This this as a girl too, she might just really blow it up. And like this didn't change and ship, so I just left it. But I always was. I believe she's smoking. I believe it, bro I believe I had two worst to make it worst smoking. And I paid the vote too. I paid it to smoke me, but I always knew and I crep with that, and since then I had never recorded drunk again, Like I mean I have recorded drunk, but that that record has never came out. I mean like that version of me

being drunk. What about body and the trunk with nas no body? Trump was so with Ship yea, but not when we're smoking, like when I say so, but I mean not drinking to me, this is this is this is my my cigarette instead of smoking cigarette. But yeah, that was a sober session that ship. Um. Yeah, I spoke to the other day. He's I think he's in that light, living his best life out there Bahamas. All types of ship man goddam you know that that like when I hear you guys speak about him and see

the normality. I don't know if that's a word, but you know, the normalism. It always because like like when I speak to Jail, I speak to that, like I always was saying, I always a funk with them, like ask them some normal ship like just to see if they know. And it's always like it's always crazy, like you know, Um, I suppose Jay the other day and I was just like, um, it was I didn't realize

it was um the day pop Smoke died. So I was like, yo, you know, be safe and you know me, and then he was just like, yo, man, the kid was only twenty years old. And I was just saying the generic would just be safe. He was like the kids only twenty years old. And I was just like, damn, he really fucking knows, like I ain't gonna lie be things that I wouldn't be thinking about. None of you

niggers never thought out. You wouldn't even understand the level of Hollywood, my dude, Like, Yo, did you see Kanye? Just now? Kanye went to Sunday service in Paris and he had to do with the umbrella for it, sneakers, Oh my god, what we had to do with the umbrella? Just wanted seekers what you mean for a sea look like he had other security, right, yeah, other security out

there as he was walking out right. But so he's getting out to the joint, so it looks like if you look, it looks like he's just holding Unbrella, but other people there if you look at the wide angle and other people there, so it looks like this guy just he got steps off the car and as the one sneaker comes out, the umbrella comes for the sneaker,

right that. I never saw that before. I said, I think we should make some know how, you know, if the petty motherfucking I don't spend that half an hour and try to figure out what the fun is because it's not. I was like, only ship, but yeah, that's I don't know how you got here? How did you get here? Came back? I don't know how long, because like you were meeting to be in Hollywood. If you can't, yeah, I don't know. Let me get back to that. Let me get back to that. Let me just tell you something.

You know. The King does the moon, Yeah, like that. VALUE took pictures with recently, the King of some fucking moon though. Yeah yeah, man, I saw you picture all over the fucking gram. He's from my ans, he said, he's an print of someplace in Africa. For real, I'm taking prints with just that. Drugs, Like I was supposed to have his phone number, so that jam I was talking about when these guys were talking about jeez, so you guys don't miss doing drugs at all. Right, listen,

man each his own because he me me. I believe it's it's about the person. Like, you know, it's about the person. Like, um, I've known a person named Keith who five years like crazy, then five years, will go to the army, then come back, two years, will be out head in two more years, go to the army. So like I knew people who knew how to really really control it. So um, but then I knew people who did who could I know people who are still out there. So what was the moment where it was like, yo,

this is it for me? What was what was your rock? Is it rock bottom that you have to hear? Absolutely? Absolutely? I think, I think um. In order to truly get yourself prepared to go into sobriety and work the steps and work the ship, you gotta be over it. You gotta be tired of it, you know, like into me. So many different things happened to me as a result of just being drunk all the time. And I made so many bad decisions, you know what I mean, like hurt people, you know what I mean, like just just

everything bad in my life. Just you know, I nominated was always alcohol fat bitches, Uh, A couple of fat bitches. I mean that was easy, that's easy. I feel like he kept the standards This is in no way any shot too over look, what do you call it? Plus sign plus size women. I was about to say oversize that a little bad would have got bad friends. This is in no way any type of shot to plus

size women. I don't think I've ever really done that like that, But I mean it was way deeper than that, you know, like I got into a car accident my first bolder. Let's keep it light right now. A couple of ugly bitches though, yeah, we all business. We all snashed the ship in the morning. Was like, no, I think I think that was like part of being a rapper coming from the nineties. You know, we just did as the Romans. Dude, we just came in. We have a wing man. Anybody, I'm not gonna lie, let me

your something. One of years of faces, not recently Capone was the best wing man in the game. He'll take the one anything, they'll take the friends no power, Like you know, you got the bad one and she got the ugly ugly that like different you look at du get all your other friends to be like, you know, I got I got, I got, I got Kimberly Sydney what Sydney, I ain't gonna I kim believe I got Kimberly, all right, they got take sitting, I take down take anything.

Then my whole, my whole career is wing man in the game. My whole career. I've been with my wife the whole time, and so my whole drink while I was drinking that whole process with just a struggle to try to stay faithful, you know what I mean? So I never was the wing man? Ship? Was you a wingman or been winged? I've definitely been you've been a wingman. Don't tell me for amy, don't tell me you how he was a wing man? You know what I do know? Yah know he's a way man. For proof I be.

I definitely women proof. He did not play but a man approve of grabs some tricks on the dance, but we'd be dancing and Ship, I've been a wingman a couple of times. Have you been a wing man? You? I'm not gonna lie if you were drunk that you might have been wing man together. You seem a little wing ish me and now hanging out together in that and that way. Now, yeah, I know, huh crave digs funk. You acted like you the devil that knows Scinder give

me sight to grave days, dude, are you wrong? We'll see. What's your favorite part about the game? This what just seeing. And when we first started working together, one thing I wanted to do was hear people mention him as the best th I don't know if we talked we said it, but it was like one of the things that I was like, Yeah, I want people to know what I know about you, and I think the growth and watching that growth and watching it happens. Being a producer ain't

just producing music. Sometimes you're producing people. You're producing character and trying to Because when he went through, that's what made me be like, all right, I'm not gonna drink. I'm not gonna do this. It made me chill the funk out because I seemed like all of your unit got tight after that, like m you um even like yeah, y'all tell me, do you tell me if this is straight? Like around that time, Dr Dre made everyone go to the studio that I mean, to the to the gym.

I heard. I heard he made the engineers. I heard he made the intern He definitely did. He had everybody on that. Yeah, it was all on it. When when everybody that was there, you know, but and it felt like m did somewhat the same thing, which didn't force nobody to do because it was his battlem Okay, So still in the studios, there's people still smoking around. Don't know that that's it's just I mean, slaughter house. At one point, it was a couple of times, but he

wasn't at the studio all the time. He used to let us use the studio sometimes before I had my studio. Who's spoken sort of house crooking Crook smokes, the guard smokes Guard. Now nobody was smoking. The Joe smoke cigarettes back here. I'm not even sure if he smokes. But it was just a lot of drinking. We used to. We used to use his studio and he'd come in and the next morning and they'll just be bottles and ship all over the place. He didn't care, okay about that?

Is that a trigger for any of y'all, like when y'all see um Like, not for me, but I could I could see where that could be problematic for somebody else. I just prefer, I'm sorry, I mean to you, brother, I just prefer everybody to beat themselves, you know what. I'm saying, because if you know, like if you get like when we worked on the last Slat of House album and I first guy sober, the one that didn't come out. I used to be in the studio Niggers

used to be hiding bottles and ship like that. That's worse. Now. I feel like I'm being handled. Treat me like an addict, you know what I mean? Like, I just want everybody to be their selves. Whatever you need to do to get in your element, please do that, man, Because it's not like if you're hungry and you smell some steak being cooked. You know what I'm saying. It's nothing like that.

It's way more mental than that, you know what I'm saying. So, and you're not really defeating I don't think you're really beating your addiction when if you hide from it, right, you know, it allows you to keep exercising what you're already doing. Smoke a cigarettes. People will walk away from me when they're supposed to cigarette. I was like I said, I said that the guy outside of Houston is not gonna walk away from me. He's going to smoke a

cigarette in front of me, just as well. I said for my friend Sunny d bt he smoked feet cigarettes like pneumon your feet and sand paper. It's terrible. That's what kind of marble American spirits Americans American? So you let me tell you something about the one with the Indian man on the fun. Yeah, you know, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about fun.

Let me just tell you something. You know what you say they say, they say, if this was a person, this is if if if, if I don't give a funk about my life, was a cigarette right there? That ship right, yeah, that should smell. That'shr oval power to goal. You're smoking. To god, that's just my like fucking bust. Smoke is horrible, my god. So you guys don't miss get high. That's good, that's great. Let makes no noise for that. I don't massic. And you you faith, you

you have you have a girl? No, no, no, So you're out there still still still I mean, I mean, you know you can have people in your life, but it's like trying to figure it out. Is that like I haven't done what I wanted to do with my life yet I'm not there, So it's like, what can I offer you if I'm not happy? M Jesus, you know it's deep. I can I can love you, I can love you, I can work with you. You can

you can ride with me through the journey. But then the same thing as being artists, the destination, family is the destination. So until I can provide that and give you that, I can't give you that. I finally happy. He's strapping up straight, Strap it up, strap it up. You know nigga's out here going wrong. Corona virus without the coronavirus. I think it's going niggas going wrong without

the coronas growing them. Are you know what? It's that That's another reason why I'm faithful, man like I wish I would be caught dead using a goddamn kind brown ass man, Doug, I ain't gonna like your colors. Just think, just think. Coming since last you, I was like, where did this come? And you don't want to go to your calls and you with Charlie. Okay, tell the story. This grand used the corn together. No, that's not true. This can't mix up his own stick. What are you

talking about? Then he had Charlie in the equation though that was some weird all he was there, Charlie char we're not gonna go down this path. And when your friends both use the same column bottom not no, no, no, Bob, listen, you will say it out. You will hain't out that. What happened somebody left the room and somebody else picked up some joint off the ground. Already you into town. That's what happened. I won on Charlie. I want nobody else,

don't remixing, and we set the remix. You' he fucked you wasn't second shure, I'm playing some good And then I heard some others hid. We already said you're good looking at homie for giving me a huge on that he took me shit off hand. Listen, he hid far nory like tet and know he's like you. So when I found out and said, yo, you know this ship come, I'd say, whoa. I wasn't used to my navy ship

at that time. Things different. No, it was like I used to use comsas maybe but hey man, let's make some noise for you have been using can no classmate here ye here with you know, but but but what every year there's a measles just the mom's just all this ship and I thought you was naming gangs, the mess and the mothers very you know it's something that ship that just pop off? Who's the other ship was

in Chicken? Was the ship in the chicken? The sorry no no, no, that's you're talking about all of these new viruses and by the US. Yeah, like and right now you're going on Amazon. You can't even buy the ship out of the face man that they'd be having on They can't even buy that joint. So where do you get them? Tyrese House? I think Tyres He's the only thing guys left. You got the only black nigger one.

I thinks bing them all um big, But you think you think that we are scared and the purpose he putting us in scared or this is something that's one million percent? Will you're speaking about the coronavirus? Yeah, yeah, particular in particular, Yeah, um, I believe it's I believe it's something that came from Asia, all right. I believe that because they said that somebody bit a bat and that's how I came. But I been a bat. Was

want back? He been a fake he It was always fake wants the o G he was that was no if you believe that was real, bro, oh, Dominican public stopping really getting one of the Yeah, I totally no. He did it one time, but not every fucking show. Yeah, it was alive though when he did it. Yet, Oh man, I believe. I believe in both. Though. I believe in um. I believe that a virus can come here from another country. But I also believe in population control too. I believe

in both. And niggas sucking animals too. You can believe in the media sucking it up. I mean, listen, doctors sucking it up. We can we can then up. Thing is this to me? Every year we had something right. Every year was something that new popped up. That's crying wolf. When the real ship happened, ain't nobody gonna be ready. You know why I think this is the real shift happening because Trump is saying this is not the real ship.

That's just skis. You know, he turned around today here yesterday because the first death in America happened, and then he said, oh, I'm sorry, it's real. Not the state not watching the d c oh Seattle and all that. Whoa, they got the best butt out there. Well I'm not, I'm not, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it is. You know, we don't know if once she wants once people started driving the ship like that, I just I'm always I really be ready than not. Bernie Satons. If Bernie Santons

get it, we finished. I don't know what people think that. Why do I don't do you? I don't do you get a cold right now, Bernie Santons, this is my man. Oh you know you're saying if he gets oh you're saying, if he get the fun, he get burn food. Bernie, I'm gonna tell you why I'm Bernie them tell you why I'm killing. Mike is a very close friend of mine. A lot of times I hang out, will kill the Mike. We don't post pictures, we don't, you know, just hang out.

The other day killing Mike comes to town. He said, Yo, I want to get some weed, I want to buy some food. I want to want to drink, and we're having a best time. I kill the best best time. And he knows when I started to drink. I don't want to be political at all. And because he's a very smart person, so when you drunk, you don't want to hear no smart shit. So I you know, I'll make it clear. You know, let's dumb it down for me. The drunker I get, the less I want to comprehend.

So and this out is when we're just killing me. Just chill me Ian and then in't forget how it happens. And he just serious. He was like, yo, Bernie's for us, And I was just like he knew my stance, he knew everything. But for the way he said it and how he said it, I was like, you know what, I'm working with you, and I'm working with him for that. But I do look like I think Aunt could beat Bernie Sanders in the fight who stand up and think I think I think it might funk up Bernie sadus

man because the camera's focus like that don't matter. That don't matter, man, the resident to be able to fight. Yeah, Obama, let let me tell you something. The way Obama shot to jump shot, you could tell you know what to do up throw all right hand for real, like you know what I mean. Like he's saying, Bernie a little old. I think Bernie. I think Bernie, I don't know. I'm not sure Bernie can stick with us. I'm I'm damn you, I'm gonna with Bernie, I'm sticking with burn What is

it the burns? I'm burned? YEA got something to say on that? Who you working with? You don't like it? I really feel like to me, I always feel like it's like the one thing that we're doing wrong and it's just you know, for me watching that the one thing you know that you notice about Republicans they don't give a person is a murderer. Yeah, ain't going as long as they're going for they Yeah, they stick with their party next sell. What we do is no man.

Wenna tore down everybody first. What's called it was winning then Bernie was winning. Bible was. What we gotta do is figure out with everything anything you want to work. It is some kind of unity you gotta happen, right, And everybody keep on talking about how the black vote is more more popular. To me, it is letting me know that how powerful we are. And Mike Bloomberg is trying to buy our community Like this nigger, let me just tell you something. I can't go nowhere in the hood.

Bloomberg guy, like that isn't the hut. He's just blowing money because ain't nobody. Yeah, yeah, you think it's gonna work. No, I ain't gonna lie something. He's gonna take some money though, like something. I mean you said you can't do that though you can't pay Yeah, you know not the vote for them, and you know what, that's the people that Turner was. I think he's the Democratic ship. But what I will tell you about Bloomberg is he funked up stopping first all that ship it's foul ship. But the

ship for that ship did mad foul ship. But I'll tell you this. The way you correct foul ship is to do something correct about it. You can't do something correct. He has your time to try to get voted, but the fact that he has a black agenda makes that ship kind of like, well, you can't believe it. We get to the office, you can't. You know, somebody people can start doing this. You got another RoCE prior to I think I'm getting high off contact. Okay, good, yeah,

I was. I'm sinking down more into my stoically. This is my first like really really And you watched Bill Moore who I watched Bill absolutely not well he talked about him on the time. Oh I watched Bill Mark. But what he said gave him because because of the Nigger Ship. Yeah, oh, but he just watched the actually show. When he did, okay, I didn't feel I didn't feel like he meant it. And you know what, it was Iceque checking him. I watched that too. I love that good.

When ice c checked up and how he checked him, I immediately forgave. I'm not boycott. You can't forgive him for it. I mean I did I forget. I don't think you just forgive me. Forgive him. You know what it is? He used a joke how I would use the joke. And that's what it thinks being around brother sometimes, like you're listen, it's a habit. And I don't mean to take out for him, but if you hang around your crip homie, trust me your cause your cause, no

cu us, it's just inevitable. You hanging around your blood holie. After while, you're like blood, Like damn what you catch yourself. I feel like I'm a black pool so much. I feel like Bill is a brilliant man. Brilliant. Yes, he's a brilliant man, and I feel like he knows better. You know that, That's what I think. I feel like. I'm not like I'm not like boycotting him or anything. I just I just have n't. I take more Gucci a desire to get back into the show after I've

seen him. I take more fistic Gucci Gucci, and I did with Bill More because I kind of don't know him as a person. I don't know him as a person, but I followed, you know, his other shows, and I lead him to him. He's definitely not racist, He's definitely not that guy. He used it in the wrong way and using the wrong content, you know, and he shouldn't have used it at all. I never I never took to use it Allucci is a big corporation. I never took it as him being racist. And remember Bill Moore

was live, especially irresponsible. He was live. Bill Moore was live. Is not live. Gucci has to go through a whole bunch of processes. It was playing out that that kind of scene playing out to me, Gucci, you know, Bill More again, it was and I'm not defending them because he doesn't need me defend on them, but it was live. It was something He's like, Hey, I'm not I'm a I'm a house nigger. That's what he said, and it was. It was definitely shouldn't have been said. Definitely was wrong,

Definitely was out of content. But I feel like that was live. It was it was. It was a mistake, Gucci. There's no way you couldn't have known him that, you know, having that And it wasn't Burberry, I think too. It was it was like somebody like it was like Claire. It was like back to back in a week, and um uh it was Burbery, right, it was Burber. And this is what this is what, this is what I feel. I don't know, I'm off off subject. So we all did this boycott BOYCOTTI Gucci, right, not all of us,

we most of us did right. Then Gucci comes to the hood because two million dollars to uh well representative Gucci gives two million dollars to I believe a black community. I forget what it was. And Dapper Dan is there and then not everyone's back wick Gucci, what is your stand? So Dapper Dan is a legend, but no, no, not that dad. We know japer Dan, we know that one, like that's the legend with Guccio, with Algen for sure, but the actual situation because he didn't have nothing to

do with that. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't know um enough about that part of the situation per se to be able to speak about it intelligently. I will say this, Um, I agree with you. I agree with you. I don't think there's some like that a trigger like a trigger like that can be pulled without it being well thought out and it's going through proper channels. And I just feel like somebody should have

seen it before it came out. And when things like that happened, people need to be held accountable, you know. And and and it's okay to accept the apology. It's okay to accept the apology and move forward. As long as we can move forward in a way it's helpful to everybody. And these things don't just keep repeating ourselves. What would happen if we really controlled them dollar, Like if we really said, yo, you know what, for the whole month of March, we're only gonna wear makes it

mong yellow. We're only gonna wear this, this, this, and that. We're only gonna buy this type of groceries. We're only gonna buy what it happens to we really controlled our dollars, and I'm not let me let me make it bigger than just black people. Let me let me clude hip hop. I think I think it would be that moment that we realize the value that we bring to this country. We're real, lot, We're real. That's how powerful we are. That's what the introtion from a com um. But we

will we will also too. To me, always feel like the Boogeyman on short space at that point. Remember tos Oklahoma. Remember that's why that happened, because of that, because of that unification. Because they unified and they did that. I heard why a fuck up um say the other day he said a Puffy jay Z, Birdman and Dr Dre always to get a label. There was no one would be signed there would it would be no more labels. It would be no more labels. Like that's they forget everything.

I mean, we were all signed to them. We will all be like, give me an independent deal, give me a major deal, whatever, and that this would be us control of us. Like why the funk that doesn't really happen like it might. Nobody really say it. It goes into what I've been what I've been kind of saying throughout my whole pressure run is um. We just need to start thinking more as a collective than as individuals

you know, Um jay Z Puff Dre. They don't have to be their own entities, you know what I mean, Like they can also think it's collective, just like us as artists need to think more collect ship the same way that they Walker is saying that they conform something Ship me you Walker and killing Mike can form a label,

you know what I mean. Like we just need to start thinking about how much more pertinent our movements would be if we started to think about the possibility of us coming together as opposed of us looking at it like we're in competition with each other. I think what Waca was saying is like the tops and then all of us will right now, right now, you one pick

up the all. Like I said, I love what Alan is doing with you, and he's a good guys you know the other day, but no one would really sign with that, Like if they had a division, if they had an E one division with Dre, that people will go over there, you know what I'm saying, Like I under staying, Like I imagine one day with hip hop

controlling the hip hop. This is the reason why even drink chapter is this is because we want to be the people that you know interview to ours, people have been in the locker room with you, like you know I got I don't have one album, like I don't have one hit. I haven't tremendously have a whole bunch. I have real stories playing catalog what I'm saying. And not only that, I still go to other people's shows,

like Freddie Gibbs the other day was out here. I went to his show and he trying to give me the co on stage. I was like, that's not why I'm here, Like I'm here to support you and watch and I need to understand why you're the next guy for the next generation. That's I'm really a fan. I just feel like when we do can really really control. Like that's why I love, uh what everyone else is doing with me, not just us. You know what I'm saying, I salute you don't get me to be from with nobody.

You don't get hit me because I don't really care. Like we're not in the competition. And that's one of the reasons why we did the deal what we did, Like we could have went other places and really really went outside the culture and really secured futures for us, but we said we were to stick with the culture, you know what I'm saying, because it's things that you know, certain companies probably won't let us say. Properties probably tell

us its dumb the weed. Now certain companies and party you know, tell us, you know what I'm saying, don't interview this this guy, interview these types of people, you know what I'm saying. And we wanted to stick with the culture. But I wonder when when is the culture gonna want to stick with the coach? Like when are we gonna like you know what I'm saying somebody when it's always got to be an example, man, you know, like we trend. It's a trendy. We follow the trend,

like we wanted to where to go change it? Like don't it don't have to be the top tire of money to do it, you know what I mean. So I think it's gotta it's gotta start with that because jay Z could do it, Drake could do it, they all could do it. But so for week, Wow, I love the fact that you keep saying that we gotta take those steps. So at one point Dr Dre gave you advice because he was going to you and your wife. It's like twenty years or something like twenty when he

was thinking about getting his wife. Didn't girlfriend an abortion? Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah he um. He just told me not to do it. He said he didn't believe in it or an abortion. Yeah, oh no, me neither. Yeah, I mean shop, I'm either thinking now, man, I have as many as possible. You know, I got plenty of babies I got, I got, I got five kids total and ship. If my wife was witted, I have five more, ten more. I'll keep having them much

that they should have worsted the five nines out there? God, damn it, nins of them. How about you? You drawn playing something out there? I'm trying to My daughter was just my god, what my god? Though? But that's my daughter, okay, so what I mean like and she got three little ones, so they like, that's my whole little team. God. So what's next for you? Man? Album? Okay, you can produce your own ship too, Yeah, don't okay, now some of that heavy listle okay, okay, now, but this one's the

first one. Ye'all did everything, Okay, y'all both always produced or this was something that you just learned in the last year that's it's a year, that's it. Maybe six months. That's crazy. You like Kobe with the Beetobin ship. You know, Kobe learning Beethobin in two weeks? Did yeah? Yeah, no one else two weeks huh yeah, listening to it. He told himself, Kobe Bryant told me, Brian told himself Beetobin. He probably just he probably see he's one of those people.

He has the propensity to be able to practice around the clock. I love the practice. Yeah, didn't see Kobe strue. No, come on, man, y'are like the only two niggers in the world. Michael join him another try man, man, Man, my heart, I don't cry like that. I never cried like that, but I don't want my line like I don't want to cry. Yeah, I never cried like that, but you know what it was. It was just something I just couldn't turn away because I actually this is

my ghost right in thing. I actually did a record with Kobe, and I wanted to write his rhymes so bad, Like if you actually put up that record that he got that he's biting my side, Bro, he's trying to sound like me. Bro. Listen, I'm just telling you this is real. Ship. It's real ship that's white like he went to track Masters. I'm saying like he like bite me nas and like hold I forget to drink where he's he's um with a suit on. He's like he's biting my like the Iraq. But you know how I

usually that you know, you know, back whatever. But so I was so, you know, wanting to write his rhyme, and Kobe looked at me like Kobe Bryant, I got my own ship, was like, oh ship, So I went I watched this ship and then Michael Jordan comes up. And Michael Jordan comes up, he goes, I'm gonna be another criming mean for the next two years because he's the ugliest cry ever you ever seen. Oh Michael Jordan

cries hugly bro Like that's an ugly crying. My dude, like he cries like he just like he like pieces of ship. But yeah, but the Kobe um and it was it was also another thing that that struck me is um. He said that Mike went to see Phil Jackson one day. And when we went to see Phil Jackson, the first thing Kobe said is, you know you bring

your shoes, Like he constantly like competitive, like competitive. Did you feel like that with Renegade, with with eminem because everyone really says that this is the one time that Jay took up took a loss with with people? Did did you know I feel like that about our version or their version, which whatever version you want. Oh, well, when we yeah, when we did our version, Um, we

didn't realize that it had the potential to be that special. Yeah, we had a lot of songs already and I think it's me and Marshall, so that was one of the same verse. Yeah that was on with you okay, but see me and him, we approached the beat similar, very similar, So we attacked it the same. So take me off and then have Ja come in and put his verses on there, and he attacks the beat totally different. He b yeah, he lays back in the pocket. Did J get to hear his verses? First of all, you don't

know that, okay, okay, okay verses. And then when J lay his it became magic. It became it didn't sound like that when with me on there like to me, to me, that's a great record, I've never kind of and I get slacked for saying this on this I think Earth came on here. I get slacked for saying this. I always look at the record like a great record. I've never really looked at like who outshine who? You know what I'm saying. I get that this is a

competitive sport. Yeah, that the people. But but to me, I don't feel like I should get criticism for just looking at the record that saying all right, look look says painting for right. I just look at that art, I said, painting for I love. It's the certain individuals that's say that paint is perfect. Yeah, and it's certainly gonna say the fall is perfect. It's all perspective. That's what I'm saying to me, per I just I just

love the art. I think the way that they had, the way that they attacked it, they attacked it too totally separate different ways, so it's hard to compare to two it. All of it almost just boils down the preference. It's what you prefer, what style you prefer, you know what I mean? J did it his way. It's not the illest J versus you're gonna hear M did it his way. It's not the illest in versions you're gonna hear. But them together as a marriage and it being on

a blueprint to Special Man's Special. It didn't sound like that when it was me and Marska. You did you think it's because Nas put it out there with Nas by eating He said, Immine invited you on your own hip, you know that something? Yeah, feeling that put people in because that was a classic moment, you know what I mean. So of course that's gone. You know what I mean.

I love hip hop man, and I'm just thinking about I said you was staying, you know what I mean, and and coined that phrase you know what I mean? Scam alright, bick up SCA's I love hip hop man? Yeah, so what what what makes you? What makes you keep going though? Like I mean, listen, I'm gonna be honest. I got tired of this game at one point. At one point I didn't want to look at the mic, I didn't want to look at the stage. I just

wanted to get so far. I really had lost it, Like it took a lot for me to come back and get And I remember Ferrell Imember with me calling Farrell and Frells like I don't do hip hop no more and me being like, what the are you talking? About motherfucker, are you gonna give me a beat? And I like I had didn't. I didn't know that sometimes you get out of the zone like I didn't know, like sometimes you just need to going to your own world.

Have you ever felt like that? Um Nah? I think with me when I was a little bit of love for it, I never lost any love for it when I when I got sober, it just was a reset. But like you had a girl cheat on you before? Have I had a girl cheating before? Like you know, like, let me what's growing up? Yep in high school? But come on hip hop and cheating on you? You never felt bad? You don't remember how the hip hop cheat on me? What do you mean? We gave six nine respect.

He's an affraternity regardless if you like it or not. Man, you know what, bro that got even the same thing though, Yeah he's infraternity. He is a rapper. Like I always felt like whenever I did something, I figured out to make it just my place in hip hop. I carved out my own place, you know what I mean? So I never felt I never felt like, um, I was

on the outside of something that was happening. I just somehow I figured out the way to just survive all the different all the different like ways the hip hop evolved in all the different spaces that it was in. Whenever I needed to release some music, I found a way to just make it exists with whatever was happening at the time, and that that kind of chases a

little bit fun to me, you know. But when I got sober, it was like I was starting all over because everything that I did drunk, it was like a thing of the past to me, because my approach to the music was totally different, because it was like, now I'm clicking on our cylinders. So it just gave me a whole new reason to just kind of start over and build my brand from a different Plus I had a better understanding of how to build a brand at that point too. So first it felt like this would

never happen. But I feel like, oh, slaughter House, it might be happening. Another slaughter House happen. Why do you feel like that, that's not that's not the card. That no way, that's never what happened, That had never happened. That's not possible. Nobody, nobody in Slaughterhouse could be replaced. Bro. You know, like if you if you replace like why being Cordor, I mean Corday. It look if you if you put Corday in there instead of somebody else, then

it's a whole different group. Florida huh house a little okay, different about I'm walking around I'm talking about But man, listen, man man man hip hop is so beautiful. Man. So so what's what's the what's the next transition? Like after this? Is it? Is it? Is it? Getting the movies? Is it? What is it? I never had a desire to do movies ever. I never had a desire to act for some reason. I don't know why, because that seems like the obvious next step for most raptors to me. I'm

having fun in the production round. Um, that's what Chuck D said. I think Chuck D say, yeah, yeah, I have no desire to But but I'm you know, I don't. I don't close the door on the because I never know. I never know what I'm gonna wake up and want to do. But whatever that is, you know, if I decided to take it on, man, I just put my best foot forward and put into work and then just

try to get good at it. But right now I know that I'm not much of a multitasker, so um, once I'm done making albums, my passion is to put it into the next generation, the next group of artists that we're gonna be working with under heaven. You know what I'm saying. That's that's that's my company, Heaving Studios. I'll see that. Ashley Surrell. Ashley Surrell, she's on my album. I'll heard her on my album. She's like nine songs in man, phenomenal. Bro It's phenomenal, And I'm excited for her.

I'm excited to the possibilities of what the ship is gonna say, Like when it's finished, I'm producing on it as well. I'm excited about that. You know what I'm saying. He's producing on it. The course, my man b Jones is producing on it. Who's another young producer coming up phenomenon And you know, like, I want to be able to give her all of my attention that she needs without you know, making making my own albums and trying to focus on her at the same time. Yeah, I

can't do that. I can't do that. How about you? What are you thinking about acting on anything else? I think the only right now for me is like doing. I never really put my fund into the solo realm, so that's what my mother does. But I'm gonna change what I'm doing. I want people to look at I feel like what I'm about to do with this record is like make people change their whole perspective on restarting and age all of that. I'm taking all of that out the way. So you've got the spikes on two

taking it. I'm literally like you, like you tell them the warriors to come out, come out, you know, you know, you know. I don't want it to be looked at. Is one thing like that since people mixing up, I feel like Drake sing and wrapping all that ship, like, but you don't do it. You're gonna do it right.

I mean, you guys are legendary, man. Um. I want to thank both of your brothers man for coming out here man just kicking hip hop man, because I still see it, Like I said always, I really looked at all your interviews and I really and I was like, damn, this is a great run man, And I really want to say you deserve it. You know what I'm saying, You deserve it because um, you're doing it the right way.

You being the purist and you're making grown up fucking raps like you know what I'm saying, you're making age appropriate music, like you ain't sitting there talking about you know what, like you know what I'm saying, Like that's when he's eighteen. Goddamn it. Like we can't keep doing that. So, um, you know, I want to thank you, man, I want to appreciate. But we got a couple more minutes, right, we got a good woman. So anything else you we want to say, you know what, a man to add

on what we were saying about. Um about helping the young is developed. That's another thing, like our studio, like having studios, the studio, we want to turn that ship into like a hub, you know, like if you just think of let's use Deaf Jam for an example. Right, Paul is over there, like all of the left right, yeah, he just left, but all of the artists on that

roster that is just kind of sitting. Imagine if it was just like something we could do where we cut some type of deal with the label, they could just send him because I know Proof's son to sign. Phenomenal phenomenal young artists people like that come through young rock we helped develop them, make sure that they get the records that they need, and by the time we've done with them, you know, they're totally efficient out here to be able to grow, you know what I mean, Like,

it's exactly what you said you want to do. We want to do the same thing. That's why I was saying we should work together. Yeah, yeah, well I was saying anything else you want to do. I mean, that's pretty That's that's where we are. I think that's our narrative. That's what you trying to like as a team. That's what we're trying to do. It's like when you think of Jimmy jam and Terry looks to me that it's that new version of that I need to beat, nigga. Look at the look at the eyes I need to beat.

They could bring me out of the driver, I know, if y'all know, man, our show was about celebrating the people's lives and their careers while they are alive. The fact that so many people would say, you know, this is great, these guys are great. When we passed away, man, we want to do that now. Like I just seemed the image of pop smoke and it's great. You know, big up to the people in Paris who participated in

making a hologram image of pop smoke. But I tell you what would be ill, like, you know, start doing hologram images of people who are alive. Like you know what I'm saying, Like like a ship Nica feel good while he here? You know what I'm saying, Like ship Nigga Drake deserve a holograms sucking put your teeth, fucking voice sucking, Rick Ross fucking you know what I'm saying, Boston rhymes, fat your You know what I'm saying. Everyone like making a thing, don't make it a thing for

people that's dead. Making for a thing for people that's alive. And that's no. This to the people who actually did that, because I thought that was couraging. I thought it was dope, But I also think it's backwards because I want to show people love where they're alive. This way, it's a celebration when they're gone, because we was already it's a continued celebration. Guess what, we was already celebrating. Your monkey asks when you was here, you understand said just do

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