Episode 181 w/ Angie Martinez

this is Drake Champs, motherfucker? Yeah yeah, right now. When we started this show, we said we wanted to end it you legends, and right now this person in front of us is not only a media legend, she is a radio legends. She is a hip hop historian. She's probably one of the only people who've got to interview Biggie Smalls, Tupac Nas and Jason. She got the Floyd may Rather of radio contracts. She she uh was raised out in Brooken, but lived out in Queens, loved out Quezer,

was raised out in Brooke. At one point. She has constantly stayed on top. If you will need to get hot, you need to get your point. Of course, you gotta come see her or you're nobody. You're to come under the table. If you don't, if you don't, gotta Anti Martinez Classic interview, you're the gume under the table. No one really likes you. I just want to do that out there. If you don't know what I'm talking about, your mother wanted only to that. Now. Now, you were

predestined to be who you are. Your mother worked in radio. So that's what I'm so happy to be here. By the way, I have some criticisms. Early criticism is what I've been trying not to host it. I would like to jot from my Dominican friends. Trying to take your drink to the bathroom. It was it was happening. We were not wrong at that moment. And then I went to use direction. I can tell you don't have that many girls here. It was up. You left the toilet

seat up. There was no like paper tie was to clean. It was like it was a guy's bathroom. You know what I noticed about, Like guys and girls use the same bathroom, but the girls you guys won't let your y'all just piss on the toilet. You want to let that ship touch you all, just right out these things. Yeah, you're perfect squatters. I'm gonna get you like but I'm gonna I'm gonna add to the drink champs. Okay, get you a candle and some hand to hand. We only

had we only had four girls on drink Chaps. We had amberos. This is the third solo angela Ye. This is a third third song. Then you came because um angela Ye came would envy within me and then I tried to want to let me because we want to think. We wanted. We want to get you because you're important. So let's gonna let you be. Okay, you really do have a whole and you drink that's all because you don't even have an just for the drink, Mr Granade,

I was drinking whole line you might appreciate. Okay, So so moms is working at radio, so you you get the urge from that. No, I'm a baby, I'm you know. My mother was like, I come from one of those families where you know your mom's was trying to get out of certain situations. So my whole family lived uptown. They lived in Washington Heights. My mother took me just to Puerto Ricans and your mom's Cuban to right. My

mother is Cuban. Puerto Rican and Dominican uptown. So where my family's uptown from Whington, Washington Heights and would Washington Heights right, So if you know anything about New York and from New York, you know that my mother took me the first. My whole family is up there. Tool said, the stop is like two D the same and whatever,

we have to take the train. She moved us to Brooklyn, but not just Brooklyn like the last stop on the train, like by Coney Island, but the Warriors where they ended up. That's where we were. So me and my mother moved to Brooklyn and my whole family, the rest of my family was because my mother was trying to find a way, you know what I mean. So she got a job. Um first that PolyGram record. She was like a reception intern receptionist there, and then she worked away to radio

and she she was never on the air. She was like you know, she worked off behind the scenes. Yeah, but I grew up hearing conversations about radio. I always saw that story. My mother was like I remember her talking about radio jocks, like people on the air, and she was complaining about somebody that he loved the sound of his own voice, and she was saying she hated people who just loved the sound of their own voice,

like they just want to talk, to be talking. And I always remember that even later, like when I would be on the air, like to make sure that I'm not just talking for myself, you know what I'm saying, to make sure that I'm like, yeah, it was real, stay with me. So I grew up in that type of environment. I got the book from that. And then when I was sixteen, she was coming up in her career.

She had been a music director. She got me an internship at the radio station, and then I got an internship at hot I was eighteen, and then I just grew up there. That was like where I grew up at the Rags. Let me stop you there, because let me just let me just tell you something. Now, this is completely not rehearsed. Who's your top five top mcs of all times? Is such a random just just say like rock, game, nas ice, cute, big, big punk? Does it?

Does it scare you that like almost everybody's top five. You probably interviewed, Does it scare me? No, I think that's amazing. I think it's amazing too. But literally, like when I said that just now, like giving your intro, and I thought about it, like People's Top five, jay Z is in People's Top five, Nass and People Top five, Bigg's and people Top five Tupart and you literally yeah,

you literally, yeah, that's amazing. I'm super grateful. Just hit me just now when I said that, it's not changing because you're still in the business. That's what That's probably what I'm more proud of is that I could sit down across from us generation somebody. Now, last week I did like blue Face and I saw that, and you know, I had a really big interview with Takashi before he went away for you asked him if you know how to wrap it? He said no, he admitted, But I

really enjoyed that interview. But that's probably what I'm most proud of is that, yes, I had those like classic moments, and I was lucky enough to come up at a time when Jamie started his career. You know, Nahas was around in Wu Tang I probably you know all those all those artists were coming up while I was coming up. Let me ask you a question what I thought was very interesting one time, Elliot, I'm still proud of your

Yes'm I'm trying. I'm trying to get down so one time, you know when I started to want to do this is not terrible, No, that's it is good, that the entire line. So I remember reading Elliott Wilson one day and he said that he had to come to the realization that, you know, he didn't want to be friends with these artists because he didn't want that's a lot. It's friends with Matt No. No, I know that now, but this is back in the day where he had to realize that he was not only a fan of whole,

but then he was also a friend. So he had to like to do that. And then you ever have to like Charlemagne and I have that conversation because Charlemagne came up under Wendy, Yes, And Wendy was always like, you can't be friends with the artists. You have to be and I was always like, it's not about what your friends like. I'm not anti artist or anti listener or anti fan like I'm pro culture, pro the culture right. So I never subscribed to that, Like we're all people,

we're all trying to do right by the culture. So I never really got that theory of like you can't be friends yet you can be friends, doesn't mean you can't tell your friend I was white, what you did, or or how are we gonna move past that? You want my best right? So I never really subscribed to you can't be friends with That's probably the problem. Not everybody is for the culture pro culture there are thinking in a different way. They're trying to get got you

questions and being journalists and that kind of way. I know. Unfortunately that's the time way in now you trying to do that with me right now, I'm just kidding. We we way. You gave me a big to tell you too. You know, you know what we did. What we did was we wanted to um. You know, so many times you get ten years in this game, they kick you right out of here, they call you washed up, they say you whatever, whatever. And I wanted to um. We we wanted to give a platform the people that got

these ten years. And and it's Asian like wine, you know what I'm saying, Because you have ten years, it doesn't mean you're washed up. You know what I'm saying. This is Vince Carter is going on. It's like twenty third season, you know what I'm saying. And I'm just saying, like, so were was the platform for us in the hip hop. So this is what we want to do. We want

to give people their flowers. Like you know, John Singleton had just passed away, and I actually had footage of us, you know, saying to him, you know, we love you, brother,

you know everything you did was great. So we want to do the same thing for you as we want to let you know how dope you are, how you had one of the most craziest interviews because I remember, Um, I remember New York kind of felt bad, like felt not bad, um felt confused because at one point when Park and Big was going through it, like when Pop said a certain thing, it was like it was on. And then did you actually fly to Cali to get

the two part interview? Oh yeah, definitely. Was that the Bay area or that was actually it was his house. It was that went to his apartment and shot it and we didn't shoot it was people always think I have this pocket videos just we took a couple of pictures, but it's just audio. It was like me by myself with like a little machine like this big and a microphone like yourself. Yeah, excuse me, like in a room with probably more people than this. I never traveled to

the West Coast. I'm twenty something years old. It's my first big interview, you know. He says at the beginning of the interview, he says, we gotta be wealthy. Hip hop got to be wealthy. Got no more like no more performing in coffee shops, Like we need money because we need to change these goods. Like he had great ideas, like We're not gonna listen, you know, I'm trying to do probably be a good interview. So I go on and listen to it, and he's what he said was

like what Nipsey was doing. That's kind of like like it was, well, those are seeds of anything. That's a great point. You know. I never got to interview. You never got to interview. We did on the phone. We did this brief interview on the phone, and I'm I'm glad I had that because I at least told him that I thought he was dope and his energy was so great, you know, we had a brief thing and we showed each other in a lot of love, and then I would cross his path because he was with

rock Nation, some rock Nation, a bunch of stuff. But it's just one of those moments where you take, you know, just you take that for granted. Like I was always like, oh, we're gonna and I knew it was going to be dope, Like I knew when we said it was gonna be dope, but I didn't push, you know. I regret that my mother, my mother asked me. She said, UM, sorry, I made this impression of my mother, but I do it. Let's hear it, baby. Um a favor said, okay, mom, what

you want? Said? I want to meet somebody? So I'm figuring that my mom's want to meet Michael Jackson. I like, she want to meet fucking you know, Lina Richie. So I'm like, who do you want to meet? She's like, big pun. I'm like, that's my best friend. Don't worry about it. You'll get to meet them. And I pulled it off for almost years and he died and he's

going to be around forever. If nothing else that we learned from moments like that, it's like to take what I love what I loved it that I see happening now since Nipsey passed, especially, I see people showing each other lout. Yeah, I see other rappers saying other rappers that speech. I thought it that was dope. It like we always do what said, you know, let's show people their flowers while they when we started that, Okay, that's good, that's good as the time I'm good and it's okay,

you can take you get to whatever. But he's also big. I think Schoolboy Que had done an he and he biged up Drake and saying Drake should be people should give Drake legendary status already at this point, and so I guess he said all these nice things about Drake, and then Drake took the moment during his speech at

this big Awards to say thank you. You know, like what was dope is that he actually was honest and said that he second guest if he should reach out to Schoolboy Q and thank him, and then he's like no, no, no, and he just well, good looking Drake is you also shout out a left frack city and all these little girls and boys are you know, are excited because you know his trainer is Hollywood. He knows he's from Left

Rack and he he did that. We'll play the clip you know has hopefully you got that so big that up man? You know? Do you think the reason why they don't give Drake his props is because of the ghost writing thing? If we're being honest, I feel like every rapper like you collaborate with people. You got people around you in the studio. I mean even I hear stories about Big being in the studio and Little Seeds would say a joke and Big will turn it into

a song. Done that everything. Yeah, and we literally took that. I mean, I don't know to what level. But you can't front that drinks, I mean what Like I just feel like, and I know there's people that are purists that like you got write every mar you guys, but I think people use it as it's an excuse because I think people for some reason just don't want to

give it up to the dude. I think maybe because he's too nice, or he's too I don't know what successful, you know, just like wait, wait, he's what he's too light skinned when he wears too many sweaters, you think, so I'm not sure. I don't know what is it? You can't front out of him, like what I can't. But I think that's a success side of it, that that draws out attention. He's a nice he's a nice guy man, and he cares about the culture. You can what don't you you have a problem with you have

something I don't know. I don't know produces. Yeah, yeah, I just got it all wrong. Yeah, you asked me that in your enneverybody ever does. I'm the one. I'm the one. I don't know. The thing about it is, it's, um, I know he would never do drink champs. And because because that irritates you, I'm not irritated at all, because it's like, um, certain people. I want to control the environment, and I like we almost turned down Will Smith. Like

he didn't. It's not like Will Smith said yeah, but Will it was like, yeah, we can't do the smoking thing. And the thing about it is, I want to control my environment. I learned that from Leo Colm's right, Leo comes back in the days Wait, Will Smith said he want to do do the show if he's I don't know, one of the one of the people. Will Smith's people's Before we got to Worlds like, yo, you know he'll do it, but just you can't smoke. And the thing about it is, while you come and we're not smoke,

we don't want you to give us those rules. You know what I'm saying, because it's actually my show and this is our show. Excuse me, and you know what I say. Minds, I say us, but you know what I mean. But you know what I'm trying to say, like I don't want I don't want the essence of this to go away. This is this is praising hip hop. Now, don't get me wrong. Will we take a Will Smith for interview? Of course we did it with Luke, but Luke didn't tell us not to smoke. Luke was like, yo,

you know you know Luke Luke Scott woke up. Yeah, yeah, so and we didn't want you to smoke. Really yeah, because he has he children, he's doing political stuff thinking he was running for Maya and got a lot of nerves drink drink with us drinking. He didn't want the weed.

Who knows that the thing was he told us that, you know, you know, so you know, we just want to keep this to the to the to the essence, because that's the reason why we don't interview new guys right, So the way, So if Drake, let's go back, like how you taking over? I go take Drake. Not doing drink Champs makes you feel away? No it doesn't. To take the truth. No, no, let me tell you what happened. Um, here's exactly what happened. I was on my squashed beef run.

You had to be for him before you know. I was on my squash beef one meaning fat Joe have reached out to me because I just spoke to Jay z all some ship and you know I spoke about it, so Joe knew. Joe is a close friend of mine. So Joe calls me squashed the beef with um, well, I put him in the right direction. I sent him to listen, just hit bleak will make it happen. So bleak Joe calls bleak whatever all the way up happens Joe more rotten nations. So I want my right. So

you're fairy con and like actually works. I'm like, I'm like Joe calls, He's like, Yo, it's actually gonna do the first Joe calls his own corner sides. So what happens is what happens is over your forty, who is um Drink's producer over forty. Me and him been cool since he did an article on the Vibe magazine and they said who's his favorite artist? And he says, nor, I like, what the funk out of here? Like you

know what I mean? If that's weird to me? So me and him starting a relationship, and you know, we just didn't drink chance with DMX, so he's no one can get any contact with dm Mexican cant too. So Obio forty calls me and says, yo, we know that DMX hates us because remember dmxic the Breakface Club interview was like I hate drink, I hate I hate these light skin, I hate his haircut. I hated saying that right, so so so so OI all reached out to me and he's like, yo, you know, we don't think he

likes us, but we know that you're cool them. Can you can we maybe squashing? So I reach out to the the DMX and I'm like, yo, you're not gonna, you know, like get them the phone crazy He's like, so I hug up the call again. I just hook it up and I get out of it. So that's where all is. So people might think that Drake owes me a favor for that. I don't. But then I heard through the grape vine one of his people say, yo, you know he loves he loves drink chess problem. He said, I

love drink Chaps. But I said, yo's he'll never do it, And I said why He said, it has to be an environment that is controlled, and that I understand. You know what I'm saying, because, like I said, that's my real smith is because because all right, the thing is, I gotta be in control like I don't want. But he got to be in control too. That's that's the

reason why it probably won't ever happen. Like we almost did an interview, right, I hope he doesn't mind me sharing the story, but well he won't mind because he's a fan of drinking. So when anything we said here is okay, hopefully no. But he wi almost did an interview. I had reached out to him when that whole pushing thing was happening. For me, I have a real problem with people. It becomes like this when everybody's just on somebody like it. I don't like when people gang up

one like it really bothers me. I don't know. It's like you don't like Badwagon, I don't like. But it's also like I'm trying to think of the words. It's not bullying. It's not bullying because everybody they all grown, everybody's a grown man. But it's like angry mob. And then once an angry mob happens and the swelling happens, it's almost like uncool to say if everybody's owing somebody and then somebody else goes. I really like that, like bullies them. Did you feel like that about Takashi? Like

was that the same viby? What do you mean about everybody talking about takash? Thing was different? We could get back to that. But when the pushing and Drake thing happened, I just felt like, yeah, I'm trying to see your anger because I didn't see I'm not seeing weird. Like no,

I'm not saying picture was the bully. I'm saying the internet the tone like everybody's like, all of a sudden, everybody gotta hate Drake just because pushing and so I had reached out to him, like you know, you know, I'm wishing you well, I want you to get past this, this too, shall pass, because it is we've seen this, We've seen the low low, and people come out with a here record and people forget. So even though it feels like the whole world is against you this week,

next week, you're probably gonna be fine. Like you're so talented,

this is gonna pass. It doesn't not the words. I just sent him a nice message and he hit me right back and was like, thank you so much, you know whatever, and then we mentioned we talked about maybe during an interview about it at that time, UM, and it didn't happen, and it didn't need to happen because you put an album out and he was back on top, and everybody's all, Drake, we love drink Kei Ki you love me, and we forgot about and his baby we got I don't even remember the point of the story.

The point of the story is that we almost had that, and then the time passed and I didn't even reach out because I understand that he didn't. He doesn't get anything from talking. He's ready back on top, the music, tanging, the music, speaking for himself. Because I always think about this, right, it's not just about me and my radio show. Woul getting my interview. It's also like what's best for Drake. It's probably not best for him to talk right now. So I'm not gonna push it and be like you

said you wanted to. I'm like, actually, he's kind of good right now, Like why would he All he has to do is it's lose, Like he's not gonna gain anything about over talking in a moment where he's back on a he's getting the graces of everybody back, you know what I'm saying. So I think, why would he do drink champs right now? I don't think so. I wouldn't if I was Drake. But I also think let

a little time pass. But it's fun because it's like he's got nothing to win or lose, you know, you know, you know what, I think it would be funny, Like like I think that him and meet together, You're gonna ask him about push. You gotta ask him about it. You don't want to talk as Birdman. Burtman sat in the same exact seat that you was. That I asked him everything. I asked him in the polite way, in the way that is niggerish, so he felt doble and and I'll do the same exact thing. The thing is,

I'm when you were too my world. You know what I'm saying. I feel like um and we respect the Dodge and we respected like yeah yeah, like yeah, like this, like I know this sort of rappers that won't come to me because I'm like the FBI, like I already know the question that I'm askings never come back, like I'm never doing it. By the way, that's the first thing that fact Joe said. But I was telling that today. I said when we um I saw speaking about fIF TV,

he was like, oh, no, I'm never coming back. But it is so peaceful here pleasant here. No, but um the baby ye but okay, No, No, I got switching it up. I was switching it up. It was because we were talking about battling and we were talking about draking to push your teeth. You also had a crazy moment when after Ether came out, Jay came out with this record superbly, and then Jay actually apologized on your

show And did you see that coming? Because no, I never see that coming, right, So what does what does he do? He calls you and says he's coming up because it was through the phone. No, first of all, I think Jay got the bad end of that deal, because it really should have been takeover versus either. Those were the two of their better records. We took my Battle of the Beats. It was the battle we did on hold, on, Hold, on hold on the days I got described this to the fast Okay at this point,

don't hit them the table, Okay. So it's the podcast was totally different from from when he was over there. But listen, Battle of the Beats meant so much like you literally if he was on the Battle of the Beach, you literally went outside in your hood and told everyone, call is fucking number and vote for me. Crazy. That gets the battle to beat if you want, you will

proceed to the next night. You weren't fives. I mean we had Miami, but you know you got ye kind of created something like that mixed we got already stuff from so anyway, so when that way, you know who helped me come up with that name was Salon, So yeah, we want the phone mad. Later, I was like, I want to do something. When we put two songs against each other, blah blah, and we were throwing names around

all night, what's happening? Asian friend man came up with the name Battle of beast and then Salam went and had Lauren Hill to the promo for me. So what happens? She was like, fine, it was Lauren singing if you win five? What was it? Five in the row? Yeah, then you go into like a hall of fame. Did you go into the hall of fame? But did you like actually get added to like like rotation in the station? Yeah?

Huge at the time. Okay, so battle Way, you know, that was like I was starting my career, so I didn't know nothing about my pal. You just started at that time. I mean I was I thought you guy felt like I was just starting. But I was already on nighttime. I'm so bad at years. Don't ask me. I don't know. Nineties. Nineties yeah, mid nineties, and I have went from doing overnights. I was on like two and am they gave me this nighttime shift. It was like a big deal, like oh ship people are like

a wake and hear me on the radio. And so that's when I was like, all right, I gotta make a show. And I came up with bad a little beats and no, I'm not understanding the power of it yet because we're developing it. There's no such thing as hip hop radia, like we're making it happen. This is so I just came up with it because it's was

something fun to do, okay. So but people started taking it really like it became like a thing like I remember lee Or calling calling me because I have put cannabis against I had a call from le Or Okay, like what and what is he saying? What mean for must win? This? Basically we would do when we have to do MG to make sure like it's not up to you, it's not up to me whatever. Whatever the phone calls is, who what do you want me to do? Okay? So batnd of beats happens. It was jas it was

ether again super ugly. Well that was years later. In the beginning, no, I'm asking for From the beginning it was no. But at the beginning is how I met J because I have put it. Remember Ellen Scratch, you remember that second I do remember if you said I'll taker night an I'll taker It was another song I don't remember the name right now. So Ellen L. Scratch had a new song now and I put it in bat little Beats and I was like, I need somebody

to go against this. And there was some kid from Brooklyn, jay Z ain't nigga and before it was before that, it was in my lifetime. In my lifetime, I put it against um Scratch. We didn't know who Jay was at the time. I just put it up j bodied Ellen Scratch. But it was ridiculous. I was like, who is this guy? Like, who is jay Z? Who is this guy? Why is the phone's going so crazy? And then um, I mean years later, Jay told me they paid people to call all night. But he told me

that that right now. But he told me that later, but it really got my attention. And then he wont he won for like a few nights in a row. And then him and Dame showed up at the station and they want me like Champagne and they showed up in the rock the Rocket Feller buggy Ete Bends and it was like a big thing. I don't never remember.

I'm struggling, what do you mean? You know? I just said, they showed up in a buggy et Bens with their logo on it with videos and that was that was never remember them struggling like I've never like you know, like you know this, there's a time in the rapper's life where you know, the train is essential, it's a part of it. I can't imagine him. It's like it's like waking up in the morning, taking a ship, brushing your teeth, and the train, it's all most of the

big all that time. I don't think I've ever seen like James underground. He looked like he was, yeah, I've never I've never seen totally remember him in Queens and he was and he was buying chrystal back then, and I was just like, what is that? But that was part of the appeal, right, like this guy, why does

he have this money? What's happening? Okay? So Battle of Beats happened anyway, so it became a thing where people were like really cared, and it was fascinating to me, like when he was actually all of a sudden really really cared that the apology. Did he call up or did he come up? I forgot I forgot that part. No, he was at the station that was So that was years later. So Battle of the Beats had this legacy

and then then the years was over. Whatever flex was like when the ether thing happened, he was like, we got to bring Battle and Beats back for this thing. And then so we did that for and it was eat the verse super ugly and of course eat the one, um. And then I think, guy, he was at the station. I don't remember listening to this. I remember listening to this, I know. OK. So it was a lot of people there.

But literally, as I was announcing the winner is NAS, I could see from my peripheral in the window, I could see Jay walking in and I like the winners. He contact on that. I knew well. I had heard that he wanted to come up, but the timing of it, it was it was not a comfortable feeling. UM. So he kind of came up and sat in the chair. He was like, it is what it is or whatever. But you know, I took it too far and apologize for that part. I guess that he said all that.

I mean not paraphrasing that he I don't know. I don't know how how it was out here, but in New York history, that was ill because that was like the first time we got to see a grown man and he was not comfortable. And it's all the interviews I had interviewed him maybe before or five times already by that point in our careers, and he was always you know, always confident, always whatever. Ran the show. He said,

it's something from his mom. It was yeah, he said his mother heard and it was like, why would you say that? You know he was I guess she was disappointed at him for some of the things he said him super ugly. So he apologized. But what I remember about that day and for me, what I don't know, just was a moment was after because I felt bad. I've never seen him like somewhat defeated and that. So we walked out the room. I was like, off the air.

I was like, are we good? Like I was worried that this is not He was like that's what I mean. I'm like, this is what it is. I can't there's not nothing to do here. This is what you know. He was like, no, I get it, I get it. This is not even I don't even worry about it. But it was like, I can't even explain it. It It was like he understood my role in my position and it was not a personal thing, and you know, he kind of just reassured me like this is out of

your control. I get it. You're doing what you gotta do. And then he just kind of left and then I was like we'll see we're gonna be cool or not. I don't know, of course, That's why I actually the Elliott thing earlier is like, was it every time you had to like set rate yourself and say you know what I mean? That's a specific time. Yeah. Of course Ja was already a friend at that point. He had already supported me so many years, and we did so many interviews and and but it is what it is.

I'm not gonna be like Jay Z one. He didn't you know what, I can't do that. He understood, he understood and respected, you know, Like how hard it would it be? Like, I mean, he takes his crap seriously. I take my two I take my job seriously too, and I think there's a respect in that and I understanding. And if somebody don't understand that, then they're really not

my friend. That's real, you know what I'm saying, Like, Like, how hard would it be like if if like your relationship with Jay and relationship with with Fat Joe, even Fat Joe, you know, when Fat Joe and fifty would befriend, I still had to interview fifty cent respect? How is that? What was your Texas? Like? What was your two way like when he was the interview with Vicent and fat Joe knew this. I mean, Joe loves me and I love Joe and it has nothing to do with me.

And so I always try to be fair and I always try to but also like fifties, you know, he's part of these entertaining funny he's entertaining, He's what is I've always been able to like, I mean, if you beat from with him, I'm not gonna not I'm not gonna stop talking to you when I see you and say what's up, you know. And if I had to say to you, if you ask him, I have to say what you did Tony was foul, I'm gonna say that to you. But I'm still gonna fire. Relationship is

still gonna be separate from that. And so I just always try to just be fair and truthful and and let that lead and then and then if somebody don't sunk with you after that, there's nothing you can do. You only can control how you walk through a situation. You can't really control how other people receive it. So Luckily for like somebody like Joe and I who are really friends, like you know, in their house when it's

I'm here in Miami, like they really friend. Of course, he couldn't understand because at first he was emotional when it came to like I know Joe, like Damni, I feel like my whole life right um. And at first he was emotional when it came to the Phisic thing because he had he had never experienced anybody in hip

hop say anything about him. So I knew he was off guard a little bit because it was like his first time and it was like and it wasn't like a guy said it and just was hiding that he was said it, and like, you know what I'm saying. So so I know at first wasn't a little awkward, not really, Okay, I mean I think I'm just careful. I'm careful. I'm always careful anyway. I'm always careful, not just to make sure my energy is right, like my attentions and my energy is right, and that's all I

can control. If I'm talking to somebody they say something crazy, I just have to make sure that I'm grounded in my intention and my energy. And then I said, I could walk out of that, Okay, you know what I'm saying. There's nothing I can I can't control. Everybody's energy has nothing to do with me. All I could do is show up and try to be fair and try to be you know, okay, do the right thing. But I'm bouncing around a little bit over here. Now. There was

this Biggie phone call. It was all right, um, well you a deep research, you know? Um was it? Hit him up? Hit him up? Comes out? Oh dog Pound comes to New York. Right, And this is this rumor that Biggie Small called the radio stage. No, that's not a rumor. That's actually true. It's just no one has proof for this. Oh it's on the internet somewhere for sure. And this this was on your show, correct, it was actually I mean I was at that time. I used to run flexis board, so I would be getting the

studio with flex But it really was flexib show. Okay, because because because he has a deal. Like when they put it in a Tupac movie, like they they don't play the actual footage. They play. They played great talking talking over right, of course, not they didn't really use any actual footogo. I don't think for that. I don't think so. But that phone call actually weird Snoop voice over. That was weird. That was weird. But so this phone

call actually happened. Yeah, it totally happened. So Big, this is the first because you know the reason why it's important this phone call is importan and this because this is actually the first time we get to see Big stand up for something. Like for the most of part um, I've had Snoop on, I've had Snoop. Yes, Snoop remembers

all of this, like word for word. Snoop and I have had many conversations about this because I always dissected like that because I always thought Snoop, you know, Snoop and I had a little weird thing because that's when they were doing New York, New York the video, right, So Snoop remembers all of that very clearly remembers the Big call. He remembers old people ran down here. We described that to us for people who don't know because

so Big just calls funk Flex. Yeah he was on the but but people have to realize it wasn't like he called him to tell him about you know, Big would often call into the radio, you know, So that night it was like, Yo, they're shooting this video in Brooklyn, Like Brooklyn stand up. It was something to that book. It was like, but that was it. It was like a Brooklyn stand up. It was. It was a sign. It was that's very clear. It doesn't that it got shut up. But that was the first because you know,

that's why it's important. But then again, you know it was. It was a weird time if you think about how crazy that is that we were also invested in something that was so dumb and kind of media created. I had a record called l also artist Artists. But the media, if anything inflamed it more covers didn't. That's what I mean. That was the media that like MTV news man. But it was just weird. Was that was? That was? You know why that was the first time. Now if you

had you was privileged to actually meet Big. I remember coming up to Big in the tunnel samm let's fry, I don't know, and Big looking at me like young man, chill out, chill. Big really tried, by the way, he really tried to like not, I kid you not. I wish I could tell everyone individually, like how far left they were, like how far to this area park was and how far this area Big was, Like Big really was like I never did I never did what they

accused me of. Like he literally told me that and that ship, but I never met Tupac by the way, I met Big, but I never met Tupac and um literally and it's the crazy ship is we did a record call l A l A. But we actually but we stood up for East Coast because I'm so sorry, I forget. I think I'm in a lunch room. So um when we actually did um mom deep and uh,

we actually did it. And I remember bringing it to Big and I remember him saying because it was for a Stretched Armstrong mixtape and Stretched Armstrong was hosting a bad Boy mixtapes. Remember bad Boy had to mix tape. So yeah, and I remember Big telling me to my face, I'm not going to use that. And that's the reason when l A l A came out the way it came out is because Big told me to my face, I not gonna use that. And I was like, I was so hurt because I am defended him. Yeah, he

didn't want to first of it. He was trying. He was trying to be the bigger man he was, and I think he just was trying to stay focused. That's probably puff was probably in his ear, like don't get distract I would imagine. I don't know that for a fact, but Big tried, and also Snoop tried. I think that's what killed Jo rule was because he tried to like go to Biggie route and fifty was just different. Do you think so you thinkthy was different than Pockets? He

like Noless. No, I felt like different, very different year. Both relentless. Yeah, both relentless, and both I just think one had social media when the other one didn't. Imagine the two pocket social media. It's totally different. That's a big punt on Facebook, big, Holy Moly, holy ship. Oh man, I had a moment just now. I'm literally thinking about I missed. I missed. I missed punning of course. Man, do you know pun got me super high on the

radio one time. I had never had any like weed cookies before, and he came to the show and he had a bag of weed cookies and he was like, YO, have one, And I was like, I had smokes. So I thought, okay, I can handle a weed cookie. And what I didn't know is it took takes time to kick in. So I ate when I was like I feel nothing, I'm fine. You ate more. I ate like half a bag. Then I did this older he fucking

sat there and watched me do it. And you know, because pun was an asshole, he was meaning the best way possible. He was like a jux him. It was probably hysterical, like she has no idea and so I had way too many cookies and about so we finished the interview and I was fine. I was like old cookies in the world my time, which is crazy what thing happened to me? And then all of sudden, I was like, and I'm still I had to finish the

rest of my show, and I thought. I said to Patty Duke, who was my producer, I was like, I think I have to go to the hospital pick up Speedy and Patty Doodle Patty it was I think it was both of them, and I wanted them to take me to the emergency room. I was like, I think I'm dying. I think I'm gonna die. In my heart, I think I'm gonna die, Like I just kept saying, I think I'm taking emergency. Anyway, they wind up taking

me home. Somebody drove me home and I slept it off, but it was terrible, like I haven't by the way, it's never again. I won't have it edible. I won't have a gun me I'm own because Punt ruined it for me forever. So, um have you ever? Oh, have you ever? Like? Have you ever? It's never? Have you

ever regretted the interview? Like if you ever? Like you know, it's like you know somebody like a Mike Kaiser tight maybe not Mike Kaiser, but Mike Kaiser type, you know who you play cards with it and they call you and they say interview. You know, um d C Jeffrey go, go, who's that nigger? Right? And then he comes and this guy he's gonna lean and he's I hate those interviews. He hate lean interviews. I do. I don't like. I

don't even like when people are too high. And you know, I love Nas, but not back in the day when Nas would smoke too much, I would I would hate our interviews because you know, he's smart and he had so much to say, but he would get high and he'd be like, yeah, no he wouldn't. So I would be like, I hope he comes today now high because I always we get better interviews from Nas when he wasn't. But I think, um, I mean later, he probably learned how to do interviews. Ear NAS's first show in Miami,

Illan out Scratch opened up and why Scratch. But I was so disappointed, unfortunately, because I think that now I was just so high. Yeah in the beginning, Yeah, because you imagine now Scratch, you know how they are there together interacting, there, they all energy, and we're already for noting that he just was there and you know what, you know, a lot of us was getting to learn our show. But I'm jumping around then later, But yeah, people if they're too high or whatever, they what on whatever,

then it's never a good interview. And also now I've learned that as I've grown, like I don't even want to you know, we see people that are in bad conditions. Sometimes I never want to interview somebody who's in a bad state, you know what I'm saying, because it's like I feel it's all meaning they high and they or they're on heroin terrible, I mean, drink whatever, but like and your this is about your own year. But sometimes

people I feel like I'm taking advantage. Like there's been people where like I literally stop the interview and I'll be like, let's do it. Another time. I'd rather do that than would let you play yourself and be under the you know that. Yeah, yeah with that, I'm not good with that. You know. Another funny story is when when you run a punt. It just a story of this. When you said Punn was like almost like a bully. Was when pun went to the flatform, right, you know

what he says, I'm thos a hundred pounds. Every time I see that, I hear that, I cry. But I remember me being in South Carolina and I had to show on South Carolina and for for some reason back then, people in North Carolina couldn't hear the South Carolina and vice versa. So I was in the next stay and Punk calls me. He's like, yo, you and um I'm like yeah. He's like yeah, well, I'm like forty five minutes away, come see me. So I'm like, all right, cool, you know what, let's just go. So I go to

see him, and the counselor knows who I am. It's like, oh, you're come to see punting. Like yeah, so puns like, yo, get a pass. They're gonna give you like an hour pass. So I'm like all right, cool. So I look at the guy like, yo, can I get a pass? He's like, yes, noy, but have him back in the hour and don't let him full you. So I'm like, alright, cool, I have no idea what he's talking about. Right, so I already

see where this is going. I put part of this is back in the days, you've got a fantastic, So I put poet of the fantastically driving a right, you know, the fantastic should be driving around. He's happy, he's but he's out of this ship. So he goes your bonna. So I said, what's up? He goes pull over to the KFC, and I go, yo, put him. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I know, like you're in a fat farm, KFC. It's not together. It's like, you know, Poem is a different type of dude, he said,

I figured it out. I said, what is that? The fat is only in the skin. All we gotta do is take the skin off of the chicken. And I'm good. Me like an idiot, goes to Catty. I'm like, you should want you don't want like a five? He's like, why not, don't worry, don't We're gonna get a five. Will come back, get another five and I'm come back. We get and I'm like you sure, He's like, listen, man, I do a deal all the time. I'll take the skin off me like the idiot twenty four or five

year old I am. I'm I don't boarded up thirty piece biscuits, macaroni and a diet coke, my whole boy on the flatform. So the crazy ship was he's it and I don't realize that you smell like grease, like if you don't if you haven't been eating fast food. So we walk in as soon as they're walk in there like nor we never again remember like we wiped him. We every ever this of him in the world. As soon as he walked in the Council's new immedia, there was like so I just remember, I'm just sorry. I

just remember that story because that's a great story. So all right, it comes time you from what I heard, you wanted to be the p d or of hot This is what this is, pure room up. I've never heard no inside information. And for some reason, these people say you know what you're and you're who you are. But then this other opportunity, this is a brand new radio station, they got the slogan flipped the switch. Everybody in death jam if you slip the switch, switch forever,

so people are skined switch. He was switch at first. Clue comes over, right, clue comes over, then envy. But there's no Breakfast Club, there's no number one show. Everyone is looking at this station like m But then there's something remarkable. What happens the Breakfast Club performs? They do it.

But since the and like when you thought the hot NY seven, literally you thought of Angie Martina, How is it to make that decision because I don't want obviously don't want to talk about the numbers, but obviously it had to be bigger than just the numbers, because you're leaving family, like I remember, like like honestly, and I'm saying this what we'll all due respect to everyone else, But if it was anyone else, everyone would have just

moved on. Like that whole week, everyone was sad, like I don't I don't know if it's amazing was going to be what it was like it was it was gonna be a big deal, but not what it was. I was not prepared for that, Like I'm prepared, I'm over prepared. Whenever I do something. I already know seven steps ahead what's gonna happen. I didn't think of a lot of things and how I'm going to do it and when of them and all that, But the reaction of everybody I was not all the way prepared for.

Like it literally was like like it took my post. In reality, it is a job, right it is, But this you created fas always had this fear of like being institutionalized in a weird way, like I would watch people be in the game and they only worked for one label for their whole career and then they're over and then it's over. And I was always I loved how we built it, we made it what it was. Flex is my family. He made you know, helped make me. He was um and then you know I have family there.

Enough is my brother he's still my brothers. Just spoke to the other day, text me just to tell me let me um. That was all. It was literally like three days and I still like Lauris styles. I just talked to the other thing also of watermelon shots. Watermelon shots shots good. But it was like I was I felt like I was being um loyal to something that wasn't there anymore. So it's like you built something right, you said, that's not there any more. We're talking about

the regime. Yeah, it was a different place. It wasn't the place was the original. It was Tracy. It was Tracy. It was jud who gave me my break. It was so it was just like we built this thing, We make this thing, and then this thing becomes something else, and it becomes more corporate and it becomes different, and all of a sudden, you're there and people connect your name with this brand, and I just started feeling like I wanted to control my own brand and my own self.

Like there was new people working in, new people in charge that I had no really connection to. And so what am I being loyal to? My being loyal to Flex and being loyal to enough, Like if we're friends and we're family, we're gonna always be friends. This is what y'all do? You do show? And then so people get pissy and then you make them talk about that, keep going, I'm not that's let's I'm not doing the show. Cool.

And so my contract was up for a really long time and they nobody, nobody there was checking me on it, which is kind of floating. So let me, let me give you two scenarios. Right, so I have all this this great career there and then what I just ride it out to the sunset and then it's over. Or do I look at my options? Do I look at I built this, not only this, but I built myself up and now I'm still in a position where I

have value. Do I just ignore my value and just sit here next to these new people and next to the family, or do I just look around and see what's my options? So what's the thing to do? Right? Contract been up? Nobody even they knew it. They just they know nobody nobody was either because they a little bit of taking me for granting. It was like a hand shaped like it was a handshake. Had my protect

was over? I was just working like and like month to month was like you wanted to be like the m D or the p D. Why would I gonna do that? You get paid less money than I get paid and you gotta work twice as hard. Why would I don't want to do? So? I know? Um, And so just what had happened was I looked around, like what's all right? So what are my what are my options? At this point in my life. In my career, I'm a mother, I got mortgage. I got like, like, let

me just know. And then when I realized because I always thought of them as the enemy, but then I was like, let me meet them and see what type of you're saying? Power? It was the enemy, right, So I grew up was what it was. And then you meet people and you're like, oh, ship, you're not bad people.

You love radio, you respect me. We start having a mutual conversation just to us because it's gotta be awkward, because you know why when we thought on Hot Today seven again, I want to reiterate this, we thought of you in flex right. Yeah, but let me tell you something, right, if I would have never moved right, I'm always going to be Angie from How Today seven? Do you think of me as Angie from Power Now? Or do you just think of me as a Martini? Okay? So what

that's very true? So true? Would that have ever happened for me if I stayed? Still uncomfortable? But how is this approach though? Because no, but I'm asking me the question. No to that question alone. When I asked myself that question, that's real? Do I want to be my own thing? Or do I want to just be connected to stand alone brand, a brand that is yes, we built it right, but now it belongs to I don't own it, it's not mine. If they want to sell it tomorrow, then

I'm out of a job. And then what there was no I just I just felt a disconnect from the brand and myself. I felt a disconnect. I didn't feel this kind of conflected build, this connect from enough, but the brand of the radio station. I felt this kind of different. But how did this other side even get to you? Like y'all first going to them? Because for years they would always try to come from me and I'd be like, nah, I'm never I'm never going over there.

You can't. You could never afford it was on that young dumb because I like, I owned the brand, the other brand, I'm owned none of that, you know what I'm saying, Like I but I was acting like that, but I was like no, no, no. But then once I had that realization, like there were some things that happened behind the scenes, some decisions that were made that I didn't like that I had no control over. We

did that show. I hated that show, that reality show. Yeah, there was decisions that were being made that were not in my best interests. So if this brand is not looking at my best interests, why am I being loyal? Why am I sitting here when there are other options for me? And so I started looking, and so I had put the word out that I would be interested in having a conversation just to see what's out here. And then when I did, I just felt like it's

a better experience for me to know what happens. That I don't want to just have one experience my whole career. But let me address like the elephant that I was in the room. At least. Then a lot of the blame was blamed on Ebro. Yeah, a lot of you I love a bro for the record, Okay, a lot of it was like, you know, he came in and at first, like now I consider him, I don't even even blame him a little bit at the time. In retrospect, I do not, because at that time it was a

new regime. He was trying to find his way out, he was going from p D to on air, and so he was kind of looking out for his best interest to an extension, which he's supposed to. But also it made me realize this is not my best interest, and so let me start looking out for self, right, let me not just be dumb and loyal and be like whatever everybody wants, but nobody's making sure this is

good for me. I had to back up and be like, hold up, you go to for advice, but when you make that type of move, like or you did this all on your own, like you you sat back, or do you do you talk to a whole boy. I didn't want to talk to nobody about that because I didn't want I didn't want it to I wanted to control the narrative that. I wanted to control the outcome

of that. And I have a theory that, like, everybody has the best friend, right, So you might be my best friend and I trust you, but you got another best friend that you trust. So I'm a volt Like if if there's something I don't want people to know, I don't tell nobody. And the same thing, if you tell me a secret and I value our friendship, I'm never gonna tell nobody else because as much as I love this person and trust them, they trust and love

somebody else. I'm very careful about that type of thing. So I really didn't tell nobody, like my man but about it, like he knew, but literally like that's probably it, like even nobody like nobody. And also I needed to figure it out. It was so close, and so it was so like a tender decision that I really didn't want no other noise. I really wanted to know I was doing the right thing. I've never seen like the industry shaking up, like it's like it really freaked me out,

like I can't, I can't even lie to you. Like That's the reason why I keep comparing it to the Floyd Mayweather because Floyd always seemed so happy with HBL and then to see him with like the showtime, it was just like wait, wait what HBO. We didn't see it like that. And the thing about it is like I know we spoke about it, well, isn't if that was my company we rolled that to the wheels fall off, or if that company was like, hey, you get to decide this, this this, then we could rocked. But like

it wasn't. I was a paid employee, no equity, there's no equity, and there's also no protection if you decide tomorrow you want to start playing dance music, which by the way At that time, it was starting to heap, but they were starting to play, don't know. It was like a time they were they were experimenting, and I just thought I had been there a really long time. They could easily make a change. And then but so

who do I leave my destiny to? Do I leave it to a company or do I take it into my own hands and decide was the better fit for me? And I also just feel like you gotta shake it up. Sometimes I felt I was a little comfortable. I could have just sat there and rolled that out, but I was very comfortable, like too comfortable where I'm uncomfortable because I'm too comfortable for you know what I'm saying, Like that was your you gotta get up, you gotta shake it up. And this is what I told Drew Sky

to remember that day. Juiceky was my show producer, and he was like he was very upset. Wait wait wait wait oh so he frowned out one air. Everybody found out that day. The only person I told the day before the night before it was Flex. I wanted to have that moment with him, but everybody else found out when I got there, Like nobody so and you said it on the air. No, I said it right before they knew. Everybody was already like in tears by the

time I got to the air. But what I had said to Juice I was like, you have to you have to shake it up. Like it's okay, we did great. Ship doesn't negate anything, doesn't negate My love for nobody doesn't agate what we did. But we're moving forward now, right, And so what happens is when you shake it up, it forces other people situations to get shaken up. So me leaving opens up a slot for Drew Ski or for Nessa or for somebody else to just keeps the

energy moving right. And so for myself and for other people, it's not just you know me, So do you ever a turn on? Listen to it? Or you like that ship? I have no. No, I have no. And I'm not even just saying this because it sounds cool, like I have no bad feeling stories it at all. People think like you said, e Bro, Like I love you, Bro,

you know what I'm saying. But I can't keep myself tied down to something that don't fit me no more because I love people like if they love me back, they want me the best for me, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I never really subscribed to we gotta be enemies because we work at different radio stations. We don't none of us own either one of those

radio stations. None of them. That used to bother me when um, like I stole an album released party or something like that, and the labels would tell me, what, we're gonna have a power party, and then we've gotta have a hot party. Yeah, And I to be like, why we just can't just party? And the crazy ship subscribe to that like they live like you can't know is that's only in New York, Like it's mainly in New York and not not in the import show in

Jacksonville and Fort Mine. Well, because in smaller markets that happen to get bustle. But they have against the trust me all radio stations. If you have competitive it's it can get very safe in corporations at only stations have kind of like pushed out of Jenn. Of course you're

not doing that to me. And honestly, that's one thing I was proud of, is that there was so much hostility between everybody I had and everybody a power and I refused to do that even when I left, because my friends, they friends, that's your friends, the motorcycles, the biles, the bikers got the best party like this. Man. You know, they provided us with that water, met us a rock. You provided us with some dog perry, y'all. You know what I'm saying, some more wet and and anytime you're

in South Beast, give us that address. Now you gotta check them at best Buy Liquor dot com. Man, were and give me the address because you know well you want to go to nineteen nineteen three sixty seven South Dixie Highway. God damn it, best Buy Liquors at a world dot com. Best Buy Liquor dot com. God damn it. God,

that makes the l's best buy. Anyway, I say all that the same, and I was proud of the fact that when I left there, I was able to maintain my relationships with people there and then also create new relationships like I didn't even I never knew Charlottagne. I never knew none of them. I remember the day you got over there and how because this is when I

knew that Charlottagne was kind of a genius. Was because he had like like beef with the whole Hot ninety seven and as soon as you came over there, he had so much great things. He admired you so much. And I love being able to break that wall down, like it's not that serious looking at what are we

talking about? It reminded me of one thing I had spoke to Flex, right, and Flex was talking about this guy so bad, and I was like, in front of guy and that just Conflex, And I was like, yo, Flex, he goes, it's just competition, like he always like that. He's like, yeah, none of this, I said on the radio. I just I just, you know, I just wanted to know, like we're in competition, Like I was like, I never knew that. You know what else I respected about Flex?

Up and tell you this is probably one of my favorite Flex stories. I come on, let him come in, Come on. This is one of my favorite It's one of my favorite people's stories, not just Flex stories. Was I remember Flex saying that he had to meet record the record the Meek. Remember remember Drake Drive. He didn't he didn't have it. It was a lot he didn't have. He was a lot, right, Yeah, everybody, I'm gonna play it the next day. Listen literally my flight. I literally

was like your hold. I was like, your look classic if I get on, If I get on this flight right now, and I missed this, I wanna miss this classic New York moment. So I actually stood there and waiting so botom line. Flex didn't get the joint right. So the next day I called Flex and I'm trying not to bring it up. I'm just like, yo, I got this record. The Flex is like he's listening, like who's on the record, right, but he does he wants to ask me. So Flex goes, how did I look yesterday?

What do you mean? He goes, He's like, how did I look us today? He looks a little funny? He said, was I making like a biscuit? I said, you bake it? And he said, like me, like, you know you looked at it? He said no, y'all know, I said, not not Flex, but did you did you never have the record? He's like those such a stuff. Told me he had the record, but I should have not listening to that, and this is why I respect Flex. And he goes, he goes, he goes, love, I know I looked at

like a biscuit? And I go, how do you know? He said, cause I stayed home the whole day. Yeah, and I didn't open my door for nobody didn't. But I had one delivery he said. I said, fuck it, they knocked my door, and he said, I open it up and open the delivery. And the guy just looked at me and said rough night. And you know, he took his losses his win. I had never seen somebody with the same smile that he had his winning because he loves the game. He loves the ups and downs

a bit. He loves he loves that's when he's lost. Like, I've never seen nobody like he's like you, I knew I funked up, like I shouldn't have said I had the record, like so like, I know, I know I asked you like in a certain way and the um. Has there ever been a time where artists has sat down with you said some crazy ship and then told

you you'll please erace that. Oh yeah, multiple times? And I tend to I tend to respect it unless they're in the wrong in some way like example, but really I won't because ultimately it's like normally it's nothing's that serious, like, but artists is really uncomfortable with something I'm not depressed, like because like I said, I'm culture friendly, I'm artist friendly. I'm like, we're all here to lift each other up. And so if something is said that's you know, that

hurts somebody, then we take it out. I don't care. That's fine. So that's happened, not a lot. I don't make it easy because I don't want that to be to become a thing. But it's happened a few times. You're gonna ask me not when, and I can't remember nothing. Do you have any like opinion on today's like media culture, journalistic culture, because you're saying you're culture friendly. Yeah, and it doesn't seem like today's blogs and websites culture friendly,

the ones that claimed to be the most culture friendly. Yeah, I think I think it's a tough I think it's a tough thing to keep going on. I got so we're back like four flats on the Cadillac. But um, so you also ran a marathon. Yes, it was a terrible idea. Let me tell you something. Twenty six point twenty six point too, but that I used to have to run another point, it's not every month you did this before Puffy or no, I did a way after I just did this a few years ago. I didn't

a year when I left. When I went to Power that first year, I was so like inspired, you know, the rush of going that rush I could you imagine a rush I had of that translation, I just want to pitch this. So you hate you leaving? Yeah, the biggest contract of your life. And you say bucket and then that's sort of sound I'm like, what am I gonna do? Now? Do something else that sounds like some rich people shop. I'm just doing because it was on my bucket list time. I'm a bucket list person, like

I used to I was a kid. I used to watch it like yo, if I could do that, I could do anything. I used to literally watch the marathon and think that. So I was a bucket list thing. And that's a specific marathon. Was the marathon New York City Marathon. So then so then another way, she just told you that like that. Sorry anyway, So, my friend c C. Sebatia and Amber Spathia they were doing this

thing the floor right whatever. So they were doing a team for charity, and I had just come off the high of this transition and I was like, now's the time I'm gonna do it. So we had like six so I told her I'm gonna run on the team. She was like, okay, great, she just mentioned the team. My son muld do it. She had a team because you know, in the New York City Marathon, you have to be like on a waiting list. Is that that that marathon? Like you can't just go run it like

we have to. I just can't say I'm gone. You can't. But it could take like two or three years to be on the waiting list to get accepted because it's full like it's every year unless you're doing it for charity and you can find a team to be part of. So she had a team registered to go run. So she had mentioned that our kids played little league at the time. They were playing a litle league, so she mentioned she was doing this team, and I was like, it's on my bucket list. I'm coming down from the

higher the transition. I'm going to run the fucking marrin. This is gonna be amazing. In my mind, it's gonna be amazing. I can't run. I can't run up the block without passing out, Like I'm not a runner. I don't even don't know why I thought for this, no listen to me. So when I told her I would do it, I had six months. So I was like, in six months, train six training much. I've be in great shape by then. I can't run to the corner store right now, but in six months, I'll run the

New York It'll be a great idea. Anyway, not a great idea. So I start training. I can't run a mile. I can't run two months. So no one, you don't like water keep black people. Hey, I'm just playing. It's a terrible joke, very racist show. Continue enjoy this. You gotta have a shot puff if you want to give me a check solemn. I'm not doing the whole shot, but it's very tasty. Um. Anyway, So I start training and I realized, wow, this was a bad idea, like

almost immediately. But I've already said it on the air. By the way, speaking of Puff, Puff makes a donation. I'm going to give you a thousand dollars for every mile you run each day, every morning, every night. Is gonna give me six thousand, two hundred dollars. So he says this on the radio. People are making donations. We gotta we gotta pressure. So a lot of pressure, and I already said I was gonna do it. I'm signed up,

I got a blog about it. I started really having like severe anxiety because I was like, I can't you know. So I used the app, right, and it tells you this is how you should train. Oh, you've got six months where you need to do one mile this day, four miles this day. So the days I'm supposed to do a I still can't run two. So I know I'm I'm way pat you know I'm way behind. But I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna walk when I can't,

I'm gonna run, I'm gonna walk. I'm whatever. So anyway, so about two weeks before we're supposed to run the marathon, they say you're supposed to do a long run. So if the marathon's twenty six you're supposed to run like eighteen miles and that's the furthest you go, then you rest, then you show it for the day. So everybody on my team is like, oh, because they've all been training there in great shape, they're all ready for the marathon.

They've all already run ten, twelve, sixteen miles. So we're gonna do the long run as a team before the marathon. Let me tell you something. I thought I was gonna die when I tell you die, and I walked half of it like I thought I was gonna die. So cut to the end of the eighteen miles, I'm hobbling to the car like I came and walked. So now we've got a few weeks before the marathon, and my my leg is funked up from the long run. So from that day to the day of the marathon, i'm

I can't barely walk, let alone run. So I show up at the marathon and they got us in the v I P tent because with you know what the Sabbathi is, and so there's like Olympians and probes, you know, athletic people didn't run. It was his team. So I show up. I'm I'm hobbling to the marathon. To the marathon, I'm already limping up to CEC who just struck out three thousand people brought away to think. So I hobbled to the thing, and now I have to run twenty

six point two miles. This is how no God is really Like I know God is real because I literally prayed my way through the whole marathon, like I prayed the whole way. Like first it was like get me through the first couple of miles. By the way, so let me just tell you this real quick story. So the marathon, you start on the Arizona Bridge. That's how it starts. And now I got my the whole team is with me. We got started at the Arizonal Bridge. We all start and Amber's there, Ceci's wife. We're not

even halfway over the bridge. This is the beginning of the marathon, and I can't keep up. Already my team is out. I'm like, just cold. Without me, You're not even likely. I'm like, go, I'll be okay, go on without me because I'm running mad slow. So I don't know. I literally prayed. But there was a point I got to like seven miles, and I was like, I'm gonna finish this. I'm gonna When I got to seven, I was like, if I could do seven miles, I'm gonna

do twenty six months. I'm gonna finish this. It took me mad long. For the last five or six miles, I was literally like like like limping running, like skipping and hopping running, And I'll never forget this with in Central Park and it's towards the end, it's like a mile left. It sounds like nothing, right because but go run a mile right now, it's still a mile, like I just did five miles and still a mile left.

And I remember thinking, I'm not gonna make it after you like, and I literally my body was like it was it was beyond my mind. It was beyond my prayers. It was like my body was like, you're finished. You're not going to do this last month. Your body cannot do all five barrels, right, you run through all five barrels. So you start, you said so, now you said you have, So where are you at? We ran through Brooklyn, through the Bronx. We did all that. Now we're back in

Central Park. Yeah, all of that. I'm at twenty five and I'm literally I could feel my you have like I could feel myself falling to like I was gonna fall on the ground. Five. I was literally like, this is terrible. I've made it this far. I cannot do another. I'm gonna die right now. The wall, it's like a wall where the walls. At thirteen, I hit that moppy on the Queensboro Bridge. That's where that when you hit the wall. That happened to me. I'm on the Queensburg Bridge.

It's freezing, it's cold. Hit the wall. I'm gonna die. Describe to people would do it because I'm in the ball means I can't run one more since time, but then you still have thirteen more miles. So I get to that, I hit the wall. I'm gonna die. I'm on the Queensburg Bridge. My knee hurts, and you know, when people are running, you start getting hustle, you start throwing your stuff up. People are throwing T shirts as you're running. So I'm on the bridge. It's mad clothes

on the bridge. So I started thinking, like I'm a mcguiver. I'm like, I'm gonna take somebody's tee shirt and wap it around my knee to stop the pain, and then I'm gonna be able to make it past like so I didn't. I picked up something tied it around the bottom of my knee because my knee was like swollen, and I was ready and pain. This is that thirteen I make it all the way to twenty five. Imagine that, and now I'm gonna not make it and this is not the wall. This is something else. I'm a mile

away and I can't go one more. I cannot do it. I'm gonna die right now. I can't do it. I'm gonna just lay on the floor. This is my one of my mind. What's that mind? I'm gonna just lay on the floor right here in Central Park. And it is what it was. I tried. I can't nobody fart of me. I ran twenty miles. My body can't do it. I can't do another mile. I'm gonna die. I'm literally running at somebody. There was this lady. I don't know

if she was all the black woman. I don't know if she knew me or she didn't know me, but it was like it was like an angel. I was like I was about to die, and the lady was like, I see you. You're gonna be okay. This is in the middle of Central Park. It's random, late angel. She wasn't a bottle of mar She was on the sidelines a shopping car. She had a shopping car. No, she was just standing there like a barricade. But I was going to She was like, I see she just canople

around me. But she's talking to me, and she's like talking loud. I hear She's like, I see you. You're gonna be okay. You're not gonna go down, You're gonna get there. You're gonna fish something about that lady like locking in. I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it. It's like when it was in Amsterdam there was a guy drove by on a bicycle and that everybody. I was just like something, it's not just everybody is like this guy good drips buying a bicycle and he says,

don't do cocaine. Like the same thing. Sorry. He said, You're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay, you guys. But it was like an angel. I swear you guys. Was that No, God's real number one God. There's no way I get through that marathon without praying my way through the whole thing. And then when I'm gonna fail, this lady is like screaming at me, looking my eyes, told me exactly what I need to hear to get

me past that that mill and I did. I mean, I was literally I was like the lights were going off, the people were packing up the bagels like people are going home. When I finished, like it was late, it was dark. My friends had finished two hours ago there, but I made it. But I made it a cause people around you seen your citizens and let me finished us a lot of money. But anyway, but now you can't tell me nothing. Congratulations of congratulations, you can do anything.

You can do anything? Really is it because you wanted them like strong minded people? It's just it was the bucket this thing. No, I'm strong minded when I when I'm locked in, you know what I'm saying. If it's something like I don't nobody wants to bell right, like you want to push yourself, And I knew I was

going to have to push myself. It wasn't like a real thing, but it was a good exercise for me to know, Like, honestly, your mind is like way stronger than you think it is when you're put in that position that you have to be. You know what I'm saying. If you told me we're outside right now to minds, I probably couldn't do it. But if you put a gun to my head and you will, like run two miles,

I'm gonna run two miles. And that's not only because and that's your mind, right, that's your You have to be able to know the drellaline because the thing about it, like I just want to be clear with the people, It wasn't like Power one of five was like I supposed to be the station to take Hot nine down. Like it was still secondary, right, Like I mean at this time, I mean coming up, I mean our heart you know later on, but at this point, like this, this is how New York City was looking at it.

Like back in the day, it was looking at it like it was the A side and Power was the B side. Yeah, that's always how the underdog starts. They were the underdog. Um so did they have something to do with your drive of completing it? It really wasn't about how or power. It's about my own energy and giving myself new energy, giving myself the freedom to try something else. And it's okay no matter what nobody says, what people's opinion is. I'm curious about how to with

another way. I've been doing it this one way for so long. I'm curious to what's going over here. I was. I was excited to work with the Breakfast Club, even though you know, I liked what they were doing. I like what my Heart was doing as a company. They were doing these big heart festivals, and I wanted to experience that too, and I didn't and personally, in my heart and my gut, I didn't feel anything wrong with it.

So I just didn't want to let other people's ideas kind of dictate what the rest of my career had to look like, because then you because when you don't, because listen, if you don't take control of your own self and your own destiny and you allow other people to run that ship, that ship could take a turn and you don't have no control of it, and then then what So I was really like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna drive this ship, like I'm gonna take control

of this and do what I want to do. Otherwise could easily you know, So how how because um we spoke about like you seeing jay Z the Rise of jay Z and then now you like you work with rock Nation, you have Hells with title and things like that. Was that easy for you to do that or was

that was that a process as well? What do you mean like I'm just getting into business because you get to see this guy, he comes up as an artist and now, let let's be honest, Jay is not coming to my meetings with me you know what I'm saying.

It's his company and I respected and he has been a good like I used my call sparingly, like I don't call him for everything, but if something big happens and I'm really confused about something or I need help, he has been gracious like that to me, Like I'd be like, I really want to run something by you, but I don't. I don't waste those on small things. You know what I'm saying. I call him when it's something I really feel, and he's always been good to

me that way. So being with rock Nation, it's not like Jay's hands on it with my career, but it's what he built. So it's this, it's a it's um. You know, there's an integrity about what he's done, and it's an integrity about how he runs rock Nation, and it's the people to you know, they what I feel like, that's that's that's the thing is Like you said it earlier, he was like, we don't own stock and you know, hot and power. But the thing is like what title.

It's like, we don't we can't call anybody at Apple like I'm talking about not you know, we could call um, what's my man? Named Larry Jackson. God bless him. He's a great guy. But you don't. But you don't only neither, So like, at what point are we going to start doing that? But if you ask me, do I support what I support title before? I support Apple? Absolutely? Does it mean I wouldn't do some of that? No? But why wouldn't we do that? We should? We should support

that in every way. I mean same what you sit here and vote drinking the rock, like you know, it's like, goddamn, we don't vote drinking the rock. We should try. I mean it doesn't always work because sometimes people what people build, it doesn't really connect. But when you can, we should support those we want to have. You know, we should be able to alright have those platforms and you know

what I mean? So, um, yes, before we get out of here, um, I would like to continue you in the picture with DJ Khalin, I really want you to say Kalid Caliver friends like kid and I would like because I'm proud of the guy. I'm very proud of the guy. I know I from this proud of the guy. He's Miami's very ask any questions because I feel like no, I'm just sayings like and it's like us. But how crazy is the house? Holy moldy house is insane. Yes, it's not so much that it's I feel like he

told his interior decorator kill Puff Daddy ship. I'm just being honest. I just feel like I just feel like he took his terry decorator as his friend. He's like this smike for Antonio and he never told Puff this is and he showed him every part of his crib and to kill it in every aspect. I don't know if he did that. Just be honestly, my mom, that's what happened. It's legal name was Antonio. My face. Interior decorating the ship was being honest in my mind. Houses,

I made it up beautiful. It's a beautiful. But what I love about it it's not It doesn't feel cold like you know, people make a lot of money and then they buy these big houses and it feels like a museum. It doesn't feel like a home like house outside inside yeah yeah, but it's inside. I know there's TVs and I have no idea how to describe this. It's cute. It's outside inside, but it's outside like family

friend and yeah, and he has listen listen. I don't know if you've been the pup Crib, but pup Crib Scott Storch, same ship. They had their studio to the side, like when you walk into has Oh, I went to that quick he has the same exact thing, but he went to interior decorators destroyest ship. It is very well decorated in my opinion, because listen, listen, college kid Callig, Kalid Chalet and Joe is looking like the illest competition.

Like it's like it's like, you know, brother competition. So you know, I don't know if you know Joe has the million dollar Ortumar forgets it's like a million dollars. Like I'm bragged about having a friend that has a watch, it's a million dollars. Two days later, College used to protect Kalig. Well, he gets Calli's name, and in my mind, I'm like, I think he went to his jew and said kill Joe ship. But Joe candy Man, because Joe taught him that level of competition. He pretty much Joe

put him on this way from the beginning. That's a fact that I'm so happy and proud of College. I am proud of College too. Give me one more watermelon. Before we get up out of head, let me get one more watermelon. But what is your favorite? What's your favorite? We are actually everybody this What is your favorite time by hip hop? What is your favorite laft? Whether you was involved with it or not, that's really hard to say.

I mean, m you know because as a fan, as a fan, it was when I was a kid coming up. That's why what got me in and it was it was two times right, it was rock Him because that's the time brock Cam is the time he's a period interview rock Him, interview you interview a sat Rocky who reveal that he was named that he was named the rock together. That's why I was like, that's one of your favorite But I didn't that one. I'm sorry. Yeah you google the fear I saw that no Google that

it was no Google back then. That was live on Hot Ony seven and he brought his mother was one of my now he called his mother on the phone. Yeah, yeah it was. But I know that I knew that Rocky was named after rock Camp. Had he had told me that on my show And then the next time he came and this is to look at rock Camp. How gracious he is he had, he wasn't promoting that he'd have no reason to come, and I was like, I would really like you to come meet this guy.

He was named after you, you know. And he came, and you know, if you know anything about rock camp getting him somewhere on time, we're trying to get him and then on time, right, so he had to be at a certain time otherwise he was gonna miss Rocky would have defeated the whole purpose. He came. He came on time. He was so dope and humble, and that's what I love about him. Number one, he's to me

one of the greatest ever. And then also he's super humble, and he's just my brand and my type of rapper, Like he's not really like he's what made me fall in love with hip hop. Like that's all that was like a brown mm hmm before we get about hit, is there anybody that you hated and then you like, you ask people questions and you don't let the finish start. I'm very good anyway. Spanish over No Rock was probably personally one of my favorite errors. Then also ros I

very much enjoyed the Black Medallion. I was very much like a tribe Leader's Jungle Brother You said, like I think of that black all that I was native to. All that was definitely like I know probably all the words a Younger Brothers album, like all the words me and Mary will do being by the way Mary took me and Mary will line for line. I could do a Junger Brother Soffie like the line for line. Still know all the words so that time. But then, as in my career, it's too many good there's too much

good stuff. You gotta have one moment though, where it was like, what was the moment that you like you, that you like you knew that this was for you? I mean different different ways, different times. I think the Park interview made me feel like the Park interview made me feel like I could do things that could matter

and how was your dinner? Park interview It made me feel like, oh, I could actually contribute to how things get presented, how things could be shaped, and I could actually help or hurt or I just started making me understand that. But then it's a called pull. Moments after I had a baby, I was feeling disconnected, and then when I came back, that was when the r Kelly jay Z thing happened. Remember that at the concert when R Kelly the Then both of them came to my

show in the middle of the night, remember that. Oh, and he had left McDonald's or some art. You know. What happened was the show ended. R Kelly broke out. Ja had to finish the whole concert by himself. And I'm in the parking lot, by the way, I just come back from Eternity leave. I have been feeling disconnected. I was like, I don't know if I love this ship anymore. I'm I haven't had, you know. I was feeling like And then I was in the park a lot and Mike Kaiser called me. He was like, yo,

Jay wants to come to the station. Now it's late, it's not even my shift. And He's like, but he only wants to talk to you, So, um, can you go to the station? Who wants to meet you there right now? So I'm like, okay, yeah, of course. You know this big thing just happened at the garden. He was r Kelly broke out, Twitter the Internet, but everybody's talking, everybody's outside the concert. I'm at the parking lot going to the parking lot and Kaiser called me. It was

like Jay wants to come up. So I call whoever was on the station I think was Big Dennis. I was like, listen, I need to get on. You can stay, but you you got to get up the air because Jay wants to come when he wants to me. So anyway, we worked all that out and then Jay came and he gave me the whole story. But it's the middle of the night. Everybody's tuned in. He had this big thing just happened at the concert. And then while I'm there, I get the call that R Kelly's listening and R

Kelly wants to come now. Yeah, so this is now. It's like one am, two am. I'm on the radio in the middle of everybody's listening because it's ship just happened at the garden. And I told you it was like Kelly wants He's like, you could talk to him. We're just about done anyway, So Jay Z tells this type of story and he leaves, and then like a few minutes later, R Kelly walks in and I do the R Kelly sounded. It was so crazy. The whole thing was just so crazy that I was like, this

is my ship, Like this is so good. I felt I just felt like this is I'm good at this, Like I'm good at this. I felt like even when I even now, if I go listen to the interview, I was like, I wouldn't have changed anything about what I asked how it happened. But you know, but also when you love what you do, sometimes when you when you're putting like whatever you do, if you play baseball and now you're at the World Series, you're like, this is my ship, this is what I came to do.

So when you have those big moments and those big interviews and you deliver, it gets those juices go, you know what you feel and I and so that made me. That brought me back to work like that was like post maternity. I just came back. I was just going to feel like myself again. And then that interview happened. I was like, oh, this is this is let's go, like, I'm back. I felt like I had been. Was that your favorite interview? No, I wasn't my favorite, but it

just had my favorite. No, that's too hard. I don't know. Did you have you ever felt as a Latina that there was ever anything against you being Latina? That's a good question. No, not you know what, what I noticed because if you're from New York, you know that if you Puerto Rican and black, we grew up in the

same way. There was no separation. Like I didn't even I didn't even realize that outside of New York things were different away from New York, and so in New York, it's not a big deal because I'm Puerto Rican and Puerto Rican and Black. We grew up the same. We go to the same corner store, we talked the same, everybody smokes Newports, everybody like it was like we lived the same life. So there wasn't a real separation. I

know it's in different cities. It wasn't like that, But it was until I got on and then I would travel that people would be surprised, like, oh, who's this. Remember one time I was somewhere early in my career, just started traveling a little bit, hosting parties. It wasn't even l A was whatever another city and somebody said to me, who you Lisa Lisa. I was like, Lisa Lisa, because that's the only reference of a Latina even in the space that they ever had. It was such a

weird and I was like, wow, people I didn't. I didn't realize until I went out of town that there was. But in New York that was never a thing. You know what I'm saying, And I love Salam always says the Salam just said this to me. I saw him earlier that he noticed that after I had, you know, become something on the radio, that he noticed that a lot of radio stations across the country started putting employing

like an Angie Martinez. It's still to this day. I was gonna say that there's still to this day like that everywhere, like actually that it's called that's like the most flattering things, like when I speak to independence and I'd be like like, oh, normal, um, you know l A, oh yeah, she has the Angie slot. And I'm like, Okay, that's pretty great. That's dope, It's amazing, amazing. So I would actually, what's the proudest moment? But you know this is drink champce, So what is the moment that you

wish you could have took back? Who's the worst moment? He was like, I don't know if I have a good answer for the question, because I hate to answer because I always ask people this question and then they're like you know, everything happens for a reason, So I don't think this is a drink chance. But it's such a shitty answer. I never want to say it, but it really is the truth. You learned from every situation. Um, I'm sure there's things that would have done different, though

I don't I don't know. I can't think of him right now. That's a whack answer right now. I'm sorry. You can edit that part out. You don't. Now. We try not to as a little as possible. We had the guy Rory here, he tried to edit and it didn't go right. He tried to trying to edit. To think about this, we want to be as raw as

it is. And I want to tell you, you know, to your face, um, when it comes to media, like I'm gonna see you my godfather, but I gotta remember like you're like you're you know, godmother, because like I've said this a couple of times, but I want to say this on our plan for him. I remember me and a she I just finally had the number one because I had to r e that hit number one on the Battle of the Beach and the number one

on Hot nine. But I was on the road. But when super Dog hit number one, I was in New York City and I remember this like it was yesterday, and you you called me up and he was like, bo and I guess, you know, like when I like person hit number one, they like they like to borrow this interview, and I guess I was like, I was just energetic, and he was like, Okay, you built for this. And you said to me, you know I'm gonna get sick on Wednesday, so you're gonna fill in for me.

And if it wasn't for that, so I went and I remember, I remember it was because I remember the the number for Honey seven. And um, I don't remember if I knew the number because I was practicing, or knew the number because I used to be thirsty trying to call in to get my record play. But I remember how I just putting me in that position. And and that's the very first time I actually got love

to interview somebody to deliver information. I always wanted the information to be delivered to me, and you saw that in me, and I know you didn't really know, but but you didn't really know because you're like a gurule. No. This is a thing thing I can see that in people. Sometimes I'll see, like, I don't know that you could, because you have to be able to command the conversation and deliver and have a perspective and not be afraid to have an opinion or I don't know, just just

be engaging. There's people that could talk all day, talk day, and who cares. But then there's people who can talk all day and then you you're paying attention for some reason and something about your delivery that keeps your attention, and that to me is what we all strive to be able to do. Um. So sometimes I could see that in people, whether it be on there or even Joe Button too. We saw that earlier Joe um back

him up, bat him up to him. He always had that too, Miss Lloyd's from Rappers transitioning because you know, you know, for so long it was either you you know, have a jump shot or after after your career is over, it's done, it's done, which is so whack. That's whack a cultural community. How do you grow like that? You don't have a perspective, You can't only have one perspective like I was trying, like, you have to be able to have an old g perspective too, and I know

you hate the word you do have to balance. It's like, we spent all this time to create this culture that you're just gonna leave it in the hands of the inexperience. You want to give the inexperience and the new the

opportunity to grow and have their own lane. And that's great, but you don't want to negate all the lessons and all the things that we have learned and also to be able to elevate it and pick people up by Yeah, the big home with little programs were important, but like I mean, and we've advocated for us to have a hip hop union, meaning like we ain't organizing the unfortunately you know what not anyway, but I think I think with Nipsies pass and I think this is Nipsey would

have been somebody to help lead something like that. Yeah, because because the thing about it is like, if Caress gets sick right now, I don't believe that it's on the responsibility of his family. I believe that he gave hip hop so much that he should get something back that I mean, not even get something back. His bill should be taken care of. He should have no worries do you do you believe. Of course I believe that.

I wish we were not organized. And I've heard people have this conversation over the years, but like, who's our leader, Like I don't even know how that happens or how we do have leaders that could I think and I think should give the money to David Banner and kill him. Mike, they don't trust them, they don't have they can create the money. Yeah, I mean I think it should trying

to kill him. I think SAG is a perfect example of what we could create in hip hop right now because all levels you can be and you ca look, there is another thing. They sent me a letter the other day. I was I felt offended. They said, this is my retirement of the company. Other then it was so it's a sack, it's the sad of music business. And they gave me they say, yo, listen, here's your yo. Not not at all suits with the s No. No,

I don't know what that is. It's something like that sounded no, no, no, this is that nothing to do this guy ship with your retirement. Yeah, this is a fact. I don't see sack. I don't know that sounds that's not that bang that you can tell you published you too, God damn all over the place. I have to pass you to Blunt because I passed everybody, and Blunt you just say no. You always say that I gotta past everybody. But I've been passing fact Joel Blunt for twenty one years.

You know he hit one time. But it wasn't a blunt. It was a vapor was there. It was weird and there he had a point, a little CV. I enjoyed CBD pen CBD not the same thing. CBD s No, it's amazing. I'm ready to let advocate for it. I got a company for you. Don't worry about it, Okay, I got a company for you. Say it off there, okay, but listen, I am just want to tell you that we appreciate you, we love you. You don't have been holding down. I I want to do norma you know, no,

no no, but guess what. Okay, we want to like I'm about to start. No no, no, no, no no. But the thing is to me, no no. The thing is, it's so corny when people big people. Afterwards, I want to big you up. Why you're here. I wanted you to tell you, like to your face, like I appreciate you. You saw something, you still something meat. Damn there, it was damn there fifteen maybe eighteen years ago, and you you told me feeling and I just wanted to be

on Hot ninety seven. I had, I did what I But that moment leads up to and the thing about it is you've been relentless, You've been resilient on what you do. Don't worry about it. When we have be with Elliott Willson, we used to call us that Elliott wasn't trained because every time something he happens, like but we are even great placed a great place. So big up Elliott Wilson. It's not called the Elliot Wasn't trained no more. We call it the adjacent Elliott will Train.

It's not him, but it's just played. But um in in in our world, it's so corny, like to big up the next person. And I want to change that. I want to change the narrative, but that I want people to sit down and say, you know what, what you do, what you do and what you did and what you've done is remarkable. And I would like to you to know that, I would like you for you to no, no, yeah, But we were talking about TMX

Jim Jones got he cry. No, no, it was because it was doing in the middle of the Cameron thing and oh yeah yeah, remember that keep crying our shoe. He cried with Flex first and then we had him the very next day and yeah, but they're a great place. So big up to Jim, Big up to Cam kick if we did not cry laugh because okay, you know, okay, if we were about childhood, right, I don't know, I don't know if you ever knew this story. Nobody wants to heart. Come on, got anything with this one? You?

I got one record, I got l A l A maybe t r yse like coming out a little bit right. So I'm on to roll with I Canlelly, I can Letly's gonna roll with kicking Free so I don't smoke. I'm like the wink stuff, even though I'm the guy who smokes, like all they are dancers and then people who don't smoke or at least bust something fucked up. So every like, stop I want to see here, free can see smokes. So we stopped bing here just good

reasons to me. You ever seen tape, I'm like, you know, I'm thinking he's gonna play me some DJ you know, like everybody, everybody's going I'm nervous, so I'm thinking something. I think you read babies from tape like something like that. So I was going on this rule and he got he got to save you. At the time, like the time, I felt like holy ship stick say and we like, he don't want to leave. It's my best friend. But little did I don't know? He said, you ever see

my tapes? I said, no, I haven't, and he bloods in the date. I fast forward a couple of pots, but he ended up with his legs like looking, why would you show you that. I'm like nineteen years old, I'm scarred and this is my favorite teacher. Just get a prey and I'm sitting there, you tell this story. No, he cris but he's like that he literally want it churned out and he's like, yeah, you never make that. From that moment on, I was scared. I would never ever.

This is horrible, terrible like this, so you're another bigger before I can't take. Yeah, but listen, from that moment, I've never been to another man's room. But it's like, you're come on, smoke. I I'm good because I don't know what you're gonna show me. I went to, I went to you went to Oh my god, so you came, you hung out and did I enjoyed myself to this was thank you for joining. Yes, and you have your own show I do. This is like your your nineteen

hundred show. You are be getting money for a long time. What do you mean hundred? Damn? You can show together too. We are going to do that. We're gonna day, We're gonna make it happen. Don't say it here. I like that. I like that. That's for somebody to beat us to it. You know we moved slow, Yes, beat us right. That's a good idea. So, um, what is your favorite part of the industry before we get up out of here? What's your favorite? Like? What do you can't deal with?

Like we you can't live without? I like that. I like the idea of that, Like the opportunities are endless, and I like that we've been around long enough to see what you know, to watch somebody like Khalid go from a DJ to what he's been able to build, or watch somebody watch j and what he's been able to build, or you know, just a different world. How you been able to evolve, Like, yeah, I just saw Snoop the other day. I went to his compound and looking at what he's doing in l A, and it's

I just feel like he should like scientology. Well it's kind of amazing. It's just like scientology, like you feel like incredible, you know, scientology, and he's amazing anyway. So I just feel like I never feel like there's not

another thing I could do. I'm always chasing something else I'm ow and the opportunities like are endless, right, and so we could always grow, we could always There's always even if I just was doing radio, right and I didn't have these TV aspirations and things I'm trying to do in different spaces, even a radio, there's always a new artist to kind of understand and a new thing happening within the culture. It's just a forever evolving thing.

So it just never gets boring, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's always I don't know, it's always growing and always you know, keep going. Okay, So when we interview every artist, we go through the discography. Oh god, that was something that you walk in here, Yeah, you were playing and your face was like, what are they doing you literally stop doing that. I don't really have to stop doing it. Don't to say something I used to be like that.

You never like that reggae thrown. At one point when I felt like I represented for reggae thrown, like reggae thrown didn't represent for me. I was bitter. So I hated everything that I ever did. And then I realized, fun these guys accepted me or not. I set me and what I did this history, and I accepted that when you think you'll ever be there, it's different for me, right because because you really like you literally you walked

to hand. Because I always compare it to like when you like somebody busting out, like let's say something everywhere you when somebody pulled out your junior high school photo, you'd be like, please stop pulling that. Same to me that time, I was like, it just feels. And also I didn't have the luxury of I was ready on the radio. I was ready doing so so by the

time I started doing music, I'm a baby. I'm literally writing my first eight or as ever, like I'm learning how to do this, but in public it would be a DJ call it because he was you was you have to be his inspiration. But what I was saying is that I didn't get a chance to. So we did the first album, which I think was you know, it was okay. Second if I could go it was

a top ten hit UM. But I don't feel like I gave myself the chance to evolve to the type of artists that I probably could have warned up becoming UM. And so because when I hear it, I hear the baby noess of it. I hear like like a fresh new artist who doesn't I'm still learning. I'm still learning.

I'm not as good as I could have been or eventually been, right, And so when I hear it, now that's all I hear, it's like, I don't know if it bothers me, but I have to get over that because what I realized I gotta get over because what I realized is that there are people that connected to it.

So I'll get some girl I meet, some girls should be like, well I love this, so abody out and I'm like you did, And I don't want to take that away from her because I you know what I'm saying, because of whatever my things are, So I really have to stop doing that. And you know how classic Ladies Night is. It was classic, yeah, super classic. Yeah, ladies and I was classic. And that was the first like, that was the first thing I ever wrote, was my

verse for that. Like I never wrote anything in my whole life until I wrote my verse for Ladies Night. Before that, I've only been on one other song and kras One wrote it for me. So it was like I did that with Arrest that he wrote it was just like spit this and I was like okay. And then the next time Lance was like I want you to put you on. It was like, I want to put you on Ladies Night. And then I had to write a verse. Oh, I always thought that was your record.

That was Kim's rick plenty tonight. Eight bars on the intro, that's all. I was like, you killed that, you killed it, Thank you you. I always thought it was your record, that's whatever you thought that was my record. Eight I was only on eight bars the intro. And then what what happened was because the other radio stations would hate because I was still on the air, the other radio stations would play the record without my eight bars, and I would be like, oh, that's some real sucker ship.

Even z One hundred, like the big pop radio station at the time. I'm like, I'm not even your competition, your pop. Why you cut my first off? Why would you do that? Like Mad Stations did that? Of course the country that would cut my verse off of the song it skim song. And they put me on at the end, and I was happy to be there. I don't care. I traveled to the MTV Awards with them. I did. We got nominated for a Grammy. It was crazy or for eight bars my first date boars I

ever broke. I got nominated for a Grammy with them, Angie. I just want you to know you're a super legend. You're a super queen in this game. Yeah, we love you so much. Um your you represent hip hop. Ah, you represented how to do business. I swear to God like you and Floyd was the first people like I realized, like, you'll put yourself before the corporation and put your family before it, and and the thing about it is, I

just want you to know you appreciated. I want you to know the dynamics when I thought of everyone's top five, Um, I've interviewed not one of them. You know, I'm only three years in this game. But when I think of everybody's top five, there's no one's list of top five that you haven't had. Like anybody name your top five? I don't know. You're a little wit. Come on the way you look at like Carros Yeah, yes, yes, yes,

okay as four guy, name the top five? Four man, Bibe Daddy Lauren m. That's a very poor going on, especially people at night. By the way, yes, yes, yes, and yes the top tive what's your top five? Jay z Young? You're so Kendrick's in there? No, I haven't done. Kendrick. We almost had a camera on time. Okay, we got one more. That's the only way it was. Once or twice we were supposed to come over here, come over here and listen. I'm gonna be honest. When you gave

me baby powder. By the way, Kendrick, it's time, Yeah, you gave me baby powder. Gotta say, I gotta say pot huh, I got too short? Easy, Mr Lee, they gotta go easy ease on your top five? And who else? Wait? What was the last two? Ain't both of them? I would take the easy? Yes, you interviewed easy? Wait? Did an interview easy? Because I wasn't not in the air yet but met Easy and partied with Easy and because he was I don't know how Steve Rifkin knew them

or whatever. But when I was coming up and me and Steve wi cool and I don't know, we're in the party, introduced us and we all hung out. And then so it's funny because I still have a business. He must get Easy must have gave me his business card. I still have Easy East business card. Like that was a flaw. That was a flaw. Oh wait, I have Easy East business card. I have Branson's business card. Flaws. He had a business and it was like music industry executive.

It is what it says. I had that. I have a pack of Newports that me and Pop smoke. I have had the box as like a couple of segarettes cement I have. I have like a couple of key pieces of museum basically, how about the I have a couple of key little It's gonna go in Nazi's hip hop museum. You know naz Is. I love he's doing that. Yeah, I got a few pieces. Look at the time, you got the new points that you smoke prop okay, I

the Newport lights on Newport regulars. Alright, I need to know that he didn't know what type and these he smoke lights. I was going a different opinion and it had like one turned over. Oh he had a wish, you had a wish? Holy Ship was a real nigga? Okay, this is yeah, That's that's all I needed. That's all I needed. So, uh, what's the worst moment? Why I keep little things like that when I feel like it's a moment, like even when like I had the little thing that Chris Brown wants did on a piece of

paper like a piece of art. When Takashi six nine was on my show, he was explaining to me the meaning of six nine because it wasn't what I expected, And so he took a piece of paper and he wrote the number six on it right, and he was like what do you see? And I was like six And he was like what do you see now? I was like nine and he was like, see, you just

saw something from two different perspectives, um. And he talked about how you could see somebody who does a robbery and you could look at them and say, oh, he's terrible, he's a criminal, but if you flip it and you see them in a different way. You can see this is a father who's trying to feed this kid. I'm paraphrasing the story, but it was about being able to see people in different ways. And I thought it was so dope and interesting that I I kept a napkin.

I kept a little napkin where he wrote the six of the nine because I thought this was like I felt, and I just felt in that moment. So I just found it the other day. I was like, oh, this is the sixth time napkin, and I put it with my other stuff and I kept it. But I have like little things like that that I'll keep if I feel like it's a moment. You ain't got anything from Joe to see for some reason, I feel like you got,

like Joe Joe something. Let me just he has a tennis ball from Caress one from shot six three Carros when first came here. He has a ninety two and my mind is eight tennis ball with a signature on it. At the party party and who remembers that he has a tennis ball. I brought it to him on the interview him on the show. That's the craziest thing, all right, this isn't my song calling I have to dance, Okay, on here, you want me to, Well, I'm not gonna do that. Okay, yeah, hey baby, this is this is

this is different. Okay, we're here. We're riding up right now. Mama's coming up to it. This is mama ship. She's she's a chance. Mommyya okay, I'm on my way back up. See in a few minutes, I killed that mommy, Ona. I had to pick up with my kid. That's that. So let's let's take some lor I think I think you were sitting down with us. So is there anything you want the people to know before you leave? When did that book come up? You got two books? You got two books. I do have to one about healthy

Latin thing, cooking and eating what I did. But then I have my memoir, which is that was like a real book book, A long time to write, like I would do it again. I'm right, I'm actually in the process I probably shouldn't say this yet, but in the process of writing changing the book to a script Healthy Latin make a script book. I want to be in a movie, like I want to try to eat healthy too, the movie we would together. That's right. I was very awkward.

I was Tuesday. He was Tuesday, very okay because like like we have developed his brother's just the like relationship. And then Dame we're in this movie. It's like, okay, getting the band together. I was like, well, I'm not I don't believing I'm wearing a rod. I'm not wearing a rock. We're gonna do that. He perfect, And we also did paper soldiers as well o paper soldiers. That's right. Let me ask you something, and I'll probably see a role for you in the movie. Let me ask you

this a promise. It's probably be the next last question. Okay, didn't you ever think that Rock and Feller, like when you see like you know, Dame and Jay, was that you ever thought that you would see it here? Now? No, I don't even think anybody could. How could anybody see that? But you I definitely could feel that. It was not like anything else, like how they were moving and the ship they were talking and you know, and the big vision that they always had. Dame was always like we

could do that ourselves. I could do that. I could honestly, that was very like influential to me. Like I don't know if I even give Dame enough credit for that because watching him make those movies. Never had megan movies before, and he was like, we know the culture better than anybody else. We don't make our own movies. That was really like inspiring to me and made me see but it made me see things in a different way, like

it's possible, but by the way, it's all possible. But you know, that was like and there was there was good to me too. I remember we did um you know, I was supposed to do American Idol one year. It was the first one. What happened with? What the funk? I do? Remember that? Is it true that you just didn't like turning down? I was very uncomfortable. The whole thing was really weird, and they wanted me to be this likely and I just was like I just wasn't feeling the whole. I can't be telling a lot of

people they whack in their face. I can tell you whack behind your back, but like like a I don't want to hate to hurt nobody feelings in the face, so that you was going to be the latter didn't wanted me to be somewhat like that and I which just wasn't me. And I was also pregnant at the time, which they didn't know, so I was already emotional about it. Whatever. But anyway, I'll tell you why I didn't do it in the first place. But when I got there, I

needed stuff I needed. Like we were doing the runs. I went out with them on the road the first couple of days we did the Trials of the Earth and whatever, and I had hit Dame because you know, rock Boy was popping. I was like, damn, I need a box of clothes. I'm doing this thing for American I know. He was like what what he gave me? This whole lecture about this is great for you. You should do it, but you know you're gonna be around

those people. You're just gonna move fast. People are gonna try to get you to change, keep people, keep the same people around you, because if you go into hollywooden you start doing that, you're gonna change. Don't let people change you, keep keep. And it just stayed with me, like make sure you keep people around you that keep you who you are, that you don't get lost in the whole other world. And like he let gave me like a lecture on it that always stayed with me also,

but kind of Mr leea sonny around and up. Yeah, take your cups into the back there, because you know Mr Lee will bring your cup in the bathroom and Sunny will break your right. But listen, listen what happens

to people, right, Even rappers are artists. You You you come from a certain place, you you're handling yourself a certain way, and then all of a sudden you get these opportunities and these other spaces, and all of a sudden you're around people got are not from where you're from, and then all a sudden the changes your perspective and you start moving the front. I get that, and so it's important to keep people around you that it's not just to stay grounded, but it's yeah, I guess, stay

grounded and give you that right perspective. And if you can't lose it, you could lose yourself if when you get too certain. And I watched it, I've seen it happened to many people. I know, many famous people, and I watched many famous people float off into this world and they're gone, and I just I don't know. I thought that was just dope advice. And he cared so much the way he gave it to me. That I just always you know what I mean. I appreciated that

as anybody ever been. Anybody like fronted on you and then they got and then they like they got go washed up and you was happy about it, like fun ever happy about it. I went to Allah. I'm in completely have cases because you know how many people see come and come and go. You know, they've been looking at me like I don't know waft and they're like the old man. I'm like, they're not alone man, and then they'll say alright, cool and then they didn't man that. Yeah,

they got their go fronts. But here's what's whack. You don't ever want to karma is I believe in karma, right, So somebody does me something dirty, I go, you hold that, you hold that karma. I'm gonna go keep it pushing and try to do what I had to do. But when the karma comes, because it always comes, I make sure that I don't rejoice and whatever, because that's because they're not bringing me back into it. And I see that with people happen. You don't spike the ball when

you see something like now, I don't do it. I don't do it because sometimes I do. I'm I'm very like, sometimes I'm very particular about my energy just going on certain people Instagram, but like, all right, he's still hurting that that's cool stuff. Ain't get up at all. Yeah, Sometimes to do it, i'd be fair, I'll be afraid of God. I'm afraid to have those type of thoughts because I feel like God see me, and he'd be like,

oh really, no, I don't have those thoughts. But I look and I say, Okay, that's a that's not just the thought, it's an action. It's too bad things. I've been afraid to let myself go into a negative place like that because I feel like I will be punished for that. I feel like then Mike Carment is gonna come back to me. So I'm very careful about that.

So I just let people we have their thing. And sometimes I have a problem with somebody and somebody come back around and be like, you see what's happened to them? Now that's what they get, And I'm like, don't please, don't bring that, don't bring that on again to me. This happened recently. But you do that. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah,

you heard what happening, right, I told that's me helping me. Honest. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm pretty but you know, you know, you know what got me like like, I have to start realizing that sometimes you just gotta be petty. Listen, out of out of how many seconds of the day there is, you allowed twelve seconds to hate. That's a lie in the particulars twelve seconds to hate on some ship, only twelve seconds to day. You guess what's gonna happen to you?

Twelve this seconds. It's gonna come back to yours at some point. No, that's why it's twelve seconds. You just get awad of it. You never think about it scientific like how did you come up with that number? That's how I called it. Called it blow blow fucking, blow fucking, blow fucking and just just seconds. Nobody at home take this advice. This is terrible advice. No, I definitely didn't tell them to take my advice, and I'll tell them

this is just mine. I like to go to Costcoles a piece of ship for twelve You allowed twelve seconds to be allowed. No, no, no, no, I'm not telling you to like to put you on Twitter, not telling you to put it on social media. I'm saying twelve sex, and you're like, if you want to sit because my man right there, he got on George. Right, he has George. We got to talk George. Like George jeans shorts. Now in New York, those are got shorts. Those are George.

George short pants. It's called George. They're short pants in New York. And in New York they're frowned upon. You are. So that's my mind. In my mind, when I looked at this George, I like him as a person.