Episode 178 w/ Rap Radar (Elliot Wilson & Brian "B.Dot" Miller)

real taming crazy wall motherfucking y'all. I don't know what I say now. When it comes to journalists, these two brothers right here are the forefront of it. One brother is a goal to other brothers on his way to be a goal. One brother has been in every magazine from EGO, Trip to Vibe to x Excel to the Source. The other brother has just landed a multile monkey foot job at MTV and he's pushing the culture. These brothers got together. They formed website that was backed by eminem

and was one of the greatest. Then they formed their podcast, Coming and they brought it over with Hove and they backed by Tile. Right now, when it comes to journalists, you come to the people that's gonna brought the forefront of our culture on their back. These two brothers are here. We was down with him on CBS and now we're down with them the case you don't know, and we were talking about we're talking about motherfucking being down all for both of you guys. Thank thank you, thank you

both for both of you guys. This isn't no problem. But this isn't no no, no people. I've been focused later because but now, this is not an overnight thing for y'all. Like a lot of people might see you bet on uh MTV or see you know, Elliott on the Crown episode and see he pulled off for Nicki Minaja, see pulled off for Ross and people thinking that this is, like,

you know, just some overnight thing. I want to I want to describe it from the beginning for both of y'all, you know, whichever way you want to take it, from the beginning, how did you fall in love with hip hop and get involved with journalist? You know from Queen's right. So it's always been part of been part of where we at you know what I'm saying. So I just fell in love with listening to people like yourself, not

that good agree man, agreeing, listening to the greats. And when I went to college, I realized I get a check off of it to Delaware State University. I remember you performed it. I never say that. I'm just about to say this performing And he was like, YO, say it's hot, jail get it. I definitely remember that. The girls are easy out. You're married now, so so how about you, um um Elliott, You've been a little bit

more season in the game. Same thing. Growing up in Queen Run dmc L like those were like the blueprint, like, you know, loving hip hop and then you know, probably first seeing the source that you could like have a magazine it then the first time you wanted to like because you know, because because being a fan of the culture, and because you know, a lot of people can watch basketball. There's not a lot of people who can cover basketball, you know what I'm saying. So you know what started

was sports with me. My father wanted me to be a baseball player because he want his dream was to play baseball, So he actually wanted to name me Roberto Clemente. You could have been Roberto you know this black and my mom is Ecuadorian and green, just like he said Wilson Junior like I was some Franks. And so I grew up playing sports, a lot of baseball growing up. And then by the time I got fifteen sixty, and I was like, I'm not good enough to like go pro,

Like I'm good, but I ain't outstanding and ship. Um. So I looked at sports writing, remember like going wonder Wolf, Let's go to the video tape and how yeah, okay. I I got attracted to that. I was like, oh, maybe I could do that, could be a sports report. I could be a sports writer. Um. And then when you know, I started losing more interest in sports. The music and seeing that the music could be documented, you know, just excited me. And I was like that really was

my only career go, I tell you only. My first career goal was to be music out of the source. Well I wanted to be I wanted to get all the albums before anybody else got the albums, and I wanted to give the mics out. That's my only dream. So the source was so the source was already five topping prior to you. Yes, okay, I didn't, but they were. They weren't as big as I thought they were. But at the time, because I had Ego Trip, I had an independent thing going on with r Jenkings. Yeah, so

we didn't we thought the source. Once they got national, they were so far ahead, you know, and I was And again I just fell in love, I thought, because it was the first like I want again. I wanted that position. I saw Reginald C. Dennis with the shades and like the whole thing of like getting access to the music. That's the only thing about the streaming era. All fans not get all this access to the music

whatever DSP they signed up to. And you know, like Nory I got you remember when your album was rolling out, your album, so album they sent like a four tracks. So I hadn't even before that because I was just sent it to the lab, to the pub. But this department sending to the magazine. So at n RV, I think I had Body of the Trunk, I believe. So

I had Body of the Trunk, had super Dog. Yeah, this is amazing, Like this is like Noriy like like so that's what you did, Like you got the media to be that the thing I learned with the media. You would get the advanced cassette the artists before they roll out to get under set. And then with I used to I used to yeah, I used to lie to say I was a DJ to get the vinyl. I remember I was at the record store and I wanted to buy the reminisce over you. It's like two

and he Smooth. Yeah, this guy was called himself Seeing Smooth at Rock and Soul Records wouldn't sell me the record, and I was like, y'all want to buy the records. I know it's a white label. I'm like what then everybody label yeah, but they were saving the white label for like Clark Kent, like DJ. So it cut my hand just figuring out label. It was that and the fake in the Funk remix. So I lied and said I was a DJ, one of the Guide community. So I used to put and when I went to was

in my thing. It was like like I was like, don't send me the record. I'm gonna go pick up the record. So I would go up to the labels like don't say it to me. I don't get my ship, but steal my male. So I'll go up to the labels, and I want to lecture records to get the reminisce over you twelve inch And the college prone guy was a guy named Fred Jackson, and Fred Jackson had a book of all the contacts at every label. I was like, this is like a kid that kid saw. I'm gonna

get all these records. I'm calling like Eric Shelton and all those guys, like all these old promo guys. So yeah, just just the love of the music, just getting my hands on it, getting getting access to the content. The labels had the power, like the content was there, right, so the gate keeper, they were the gate keeper. They control the content. Now the content goes direct from artists to the consumer. So how crazy it is it for both of you guys. You know, um, it's your it's

your job to actually interview the new guys, right. I don't want to interview the new guys. I hate him, Right, I've just got a whole argument about Yeah, yeah, we went into the whole thing about because I just feel like they're not season yet. Like in order for me to speak to you, I have to be able to indulge with you. Most of these guys are on leading on and on and they give you that one word answer. I was on that side of the offence, and I know that one more answer me might I might not

be working with you what I'm saying. So it's to be fair, it's not all of them. It's not all of them. It's definitely not all of them. There's there's some greats out there, but I would like them to be great before they performed on my platform. But how hard is it for you guys when you sit down with a new artist and you see them come late or cancel? Oh okay, okay, okay, okay. What you've got hard stories that you're willing to tell us about you? Of the artists right to the d in Canada, we

didn't talk about this publicly. We actually talked about it um private setting that wasn't on a camera, right, But that's the first time we ever talked about it. Last year we had Drake booked. It was at the height of the beef and we went out to the Meek push your teeth. We're just talking about cool, cool things happened until they happened. It was Scorpion right before Scorpion and just dropped or just drop. Yeah, that's Okay. So we went out to Canada. You know, we went to

l A. Okay. It was almost like secret mission. We ain't tell nobody, Like we booked the Getting Museum out in Mallible I think it is. It's like some real fans, a big retainer right right out there. And we were supposed to do it on the Sunday, like around five o'clock or whatever. I get an email from this guy Elliott. It's not happening. I'm like me, like, at four o'clock, let who was the CBS. I had them all excited, it's my man's name. Who was the wife burning car?

He was like, he was like, yo, he's doing because it was basically stalked him the first time. This is the second time. He canceled him the second time. First time was the CBS. He was ready to do it the same thing twenty five hours notes. So we had a little planning out because he was doing SNL that Saturday, so we knew he was in New York all week. We just had to get him from fucking SNL to that CBS spot. You know how close that ship is, Like we're gonna, yeah, this story amountable, So I'm gonna

go back first. This is the first time he canceled. Take it back, Yeah, of course, and already for the late night thing, and he canceled last minute. He said. He sent me a note that morning like I was a girl like it was like a break up text, break up text like he's like. He was like, Yo, this is gonna hurt you, but you know you think

about it, It's gonna be the right decision. Comfortable doing this yet you know, I was like, funk, like this guy, and I had Bryan Coston those guys ready, you're gonna take it like a ten PM the CBS things. Everybody's so you cancel twenty hours. So when we got this one, I thought, okay, he said five minutes prior the same day, the day before going back to Malibu. What happened is but b I didn't know is we were doing. We

were dealing direct with Drakes. I was like, Okay, we're gonna get it like bhin thing Um and the Future the Prince found out his manager. So Future sents me down to something like real like and you know what's funny, like I would say, like the new generation of managers like him and him with you know, we come from that Roddy era where everybody's like gatested you. Maybe he was so smooth. We'd have a nice little lunch he's talking to me about. I was like Gage, like, does

he know I'm about to do Drake tomorrow? I can't get And then finally like, yeah, I gotta pull Drake out of the thing. I gotta pull Drake out of the thing. And you know the thing is with the Apple deal, which I don't think it's it's now had to do and you know, it was like they were gonna step out and do it, but it would have piste off the situation and up there situation. So basically, Drake is probably our biggest thing where he's canceled on

us with twenty four hours. Noticed twice that hurt Man and the getting ship. That was like we had the whole works, and it was to Canada, you know, like we said that wasn't planning on because we were going back and forth with him about locations. Miami was a location you just go to Obio Fest. He went, okay, both for y'all, Yeah, we didn't get the interview with that though we knew weren't gonna get it yet. But and then he end doing the shop, he get to

get the content to the shop. When he did the lebron right when that came out, we were we were highly set. I mean, I mean, I know people that's close to him that he's a fan of our show, and he'll never do it. You know what's honestly, sometimes that's honestly the most um how do you call it? It's sometimes it's the most complimentary because I would robbing you tell me not you don't want to do the show, then come do my show and then tell me. Don't ask me that did it right now? Well I wasn't

see that. Well, no, I'm gonna be honest. I wnna be honest. That was after But this is the first day we squads to be like like, I mean, because we had already had spoke. We had never seen each other. We seen each other at Club Live. No, that doesn't exist when I've seen him in club Live. Um, I think this is when Drink Champs had just started, right, But at the time I was actually filming my food show. So when I said with something, I was like, yeah, man,

I need you on my show. And he was like yeah, the ship right, And I was like yeah, and I'm doing the food show and I just remember him looking at me like, what the fun is he doing? Like he just looked at me like my man is out here lost, but it's okay, so um uh. Then after that, that's when Drink Champs had actually got our shot. Then we went to him and he had opening the Sweet Chick right when we went. Accidentally, it was after we recorded that thing with Onyx or Dame Dash or something.

No it was Onyx. It was was it back to back that No? No, yeah, it was on it, And then we went to Sweet Chick and then we went to Sweet Chick. Yeah, and then he and then he promied he was he knew what the engineer was, so I want you know what the engineer was. I'm like, oh, this guy's watching. You know what I'm saying, because you can, you can anybody could look and say, all right, you know, all right, see these certain people, the people in the background.

And to tell you the truth, I don't want to say I thought he was lying. I just thought he was, you know, just giving me the the industry ship until he said, y'all, I know who he is, but know who it is. And I was like, damn, okay, was genuine. It was. It was just it's just like grass once you finally deliver. Yeah, because yeah, you can phone to the ball you guys, and let me just tell you something. Let me just tell you some Let me be honest. Let me just address a situation because a lot of

people critique me about not asking him about Jake. Just right, all right, let me just tell you guys something because I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if the E got the episode is coming out prior to this or after this. But I just did a whole two hour interview with Gotti. You know how many questions I asked? Zero zero because it's not funny to me. That time ain't funny to me. The situation is funny to me. I don't want to throw gas on anything

that's already burning. If anything, let me throw some water on and if I could throw warter on this making it go more, I'm not even throw water on it. So you know what, I just let the ship go. You even trying to go there, I was like, because you know, my brother put my head down, did something. I think we just we just turned it because like like to tell you the too, how what more can you get from me from the Jay's story that you can get from anybody else, Like like he's told it

so many times. Jay has told us so many times their brothers is on a great and a great accordingance with each other. Why would I even know something like that? Why would I tell people? How you looking like the Drake Push or even um drinking Meek, Like somebody may lose a battle and used to think that you lost a battle was done, but now we're seeing that's not the wrong. Like people level up in different ways, like

cow Meeks leveled up. Look, how you know Drake lost the battle of Pushing, but Drake had a phenomenal year run the summer and that Kiki and all that ship in my feelings and all that, Like, so who's the real winner? Now? I definitely got one, And I definitely didn't want to reiterate that situation with him, Like, also, you ain't got new information to it, then what's the point? Definitely I definitely didn't. I definitely don't. And I love

the fact that I was able to do businesses. That's crazy what the time saying like I couldn't because we sat there and obviously went to a Big Dinner, Happy Birthday, Biggs. It was bigg dinner, and I've seen puffing and Jay talking, and I was like, you know what, I'm kind of gonna make these guys live live, like you guys are saying black Excellent. And the thing is titled like for those who don't know, jay Z is really out here

living this. Actually don't want to own your material for a couple of days and then yeah, that's still to me, like anybody, because you know, a lot of people could teach us um like like, you know, we could have went to these big we could have went to a couple of different places. And I said, you know what it's really is about ownership at this, especially what I've been through with the record industry. For me to go through that in the podcast, I would just be the

stupidest man in the world. So I had to take it to Silverman. I have no idea, you know, yeah, man, because he's not giving the thing about this this I don't know this situation. But the thing about is this. I think Daylight Soul will be happy splitting fifty percent

of their royalties three three different ways. Tom Silman, you still win still, But for you to do that and take people and they're not trying to leverage the majority at all that so so be that, Um, where did you land How did you land this MTV get I don't you know what, It's gonna sound cliche, but I just think by doing a good job, that's dope, Like just by doing the work. Because they reached out to me and it was like, yo, you know you have credibility.

You know, we've seen your work obviously over the course of the years, and they just wanted to bring that established that credibility back to MTV News. So we had a meeting and me and a couple of suits and still with epic or no not no. They said it was a conflict allegedly MTV Man TV is a conflict, that's what That's what I was told. He was out hit me too, picked TV. You know that's why that man. Yeah.

But yeah, they reached out and you know the rescient history even in since April, so things have been good so far. Little no access new guys. Yeah, I interview rock stars, pop guys and stuff like that. So it's different. You know, I'm happy because it's stepping outside of my comfort zone. Like the first time I interviewing a rock and roll guy and stuff like that. So it's fun. I want to real quick what I'm just curious, what is the new like strategy for someone like an MTV

nowadays it's digital digital, you know. It's just like you know when you're demographic, you know, so so a lot of the interviews on social media. You know, one interview might be on YouTube or the other one might be on Twitter. So just all the just kind of they got it together now because before all the yea, they didn't know what to do, right, you know, like we're trying to focus and bring it credibility back to the music,

you know what I'm saying. So when you used to hold that microphone, had an MTV and right, So we're just trying to bring that kind of energy back to the game. So that's what we had with it. Oh, proud of my guy. Proud of me too. I wanted to about me and you know, like Max the album called I Want to Thank Me. That's the norm. So have you ever picked the artist Elliott and been wrong?

Oh a lot of times? Man, Like a weas talking about it's mean that dude, but I always talk about Cheney like putting him on the cover, like because the thing is like I used to be like, you know what, sometimes I'll be like, well, people look at magazines and be like, oh, this is a really cool cover they did, but I know the time in the error, it didn't sell, like I had to sell magazines, so O favored niggas that putting numbers up. But gold and platinum like that

was how it was doing. That's that's why he kept getting the looks because fifty was doing numbers like he wasn't only just the hottest underground, he was multiplatinum. So Cheney's coming off three million with the right there, you know, the second album, so he's the biggest whatever. I did a cover with him and that that ship just flopped.

No one bought it and no one bought it. But but that was right the same time coming off this is what he got cover that's way down the roa that don't get you a cover coming off the Triple platte, that's that was called a break. But yeah, all the time, I mean I remember dealing with all the energy of like no shots to them but cannabis. Right, he was slaying the on mixtape scene like and then but he put out the album of White Clapping, and Ship didn't live up to it. You know, a lot of us

in media were like already hacking him up. So when he had to come back and say, nah, this ain't hitting, that caused a lot of drama with everything from Blaze to all these different magazines. So because we have Xeno on here recently, and he said his lowest selling cover was IRV Gotti. He said, he said, I was the lowest. He said that cause I asked him, I said, and he said at the time that he was, you know, representing for John IRV and C. So, um, so, how

does that really work? Like? Um? When because like I mean, you guys really had people's careers in your hand like you ever you ever gave you guys were gatekeepers as well, you ever gave a bad review? And what's wrong about that? Uh? Yeah, I'm sure I don't know more Report Game four and a half, you know, wen't know we got four? How you how you screwed me on the War report. Let's talking about it. I had I was actually a tower, y'all had like calmed down and Ship you got stuck

on you. We had a record card stuck on a couple of records. Yeah, that we didn't use. We couldn't clear the clear sample. That's true. I'm going off the advanced cassette's right. He's actually right. The Roy's DUSTI is proviolates the whole thing and all prepared like and at the time, you know, Carress wanted God so I I got. I got next album, which was not one of his best albums, so he got to leave review he got three and a half and then you see the second

reviews like seeing that four mix. But but it's like, who the fucking seeing that? Because back then people that didn't know thought they was like a fake mob. That's true. That was that was know like they didn't know, they didn't know the people behind it, but theyren't true and they hadn't heard enough. That's in the inside of the industry. We knew about it. We knew this ship is about to change the game, or even in New York per se because maybe people yeah, we at least that these

things about to shake it up in New York. And you know, busses on driving seat crazy like it has all New York's energy. So we do it. It comes out everybody's like, how to fun you disrespect the god teaching cameras but TNF and then you'll think it's pussed the album back, oh to no album. So I'm out

here holding the B no album to mix. I'm dangling for mix no. You know, actually Dan y'all, Dan y'all came back and then you'll added that R and B ship the closes were cleared that sample Sam and then you'll used the four mix is the ad campaign if your campaign, And then it came out later. But I was like early just you know, we couldn't clear the sample. We us back then, we didn't know that we had

to clear sample and you know you were penalty. Well well, you know, the whole time he was underground doing like underground mixtapes, we never thought about clearing sample. So when we um and which was you know, I don't want to take a shot, but you know, Trashold knew better, you know what I'm saying. And the fact not nothing to take no no shot at, but the fact that when I thought that he thought we wasn't gonna get caught, which is like a good way to think of it.

But then up you know, Sam Cooking and all these people that we were sampling they're gonna find out. So then we had to go in and we had to do it over. But you're absolutely right there. It was a record call stuck on you, and it was it was actually dope because we had a record call stuck on you instead of stick you, and it was like it was like a soft record. And you said that in the viewew like it was the holy record that wasn't good. And I was like, you know what, take

that ship over, and we take the ship over. So it was a report question, OK, no problem all the time, but I just wanted to know, like bust on driving, see why is he like half on the like, well to tell you the truth, Buster and Fat Joe. I do not want to say that this is a clearer this thing with them. I want to say that they were prepared and we had to turn in the album.

Fat Joe was actually on Channel ten wants to no, no, no no. He didn't lay his verse his verse, and I forget what happened, and for some reason he never laid it. Nabs was on music making let us calm down, um, and it didn't clear. That's the reason why he made it up to me and did firm album and so I'm saying on driving seat bus driving. See, he was supposed to be on there. He had knew who Eman Thug was. Eman Thug was this real underground only two people who knew, not the only two people, but the

two people those big Emon Thugs fans. Was Mace how the fun Dollars become a fan of the most burden Boutervard. So it was Mace and Buster. So Buster came in and he just spoke on it. He was forced to lay a verse. But we just we were so underground that we took that we just took was just like yo, fuck it and that was that. But that's what you see.

I was shifted though with your solo career, and like everybody that was doubting, seeing then when Nori dropped those records and the sampler came out of everybody was like no, I was up at the was like I was like, oh yea six months ago and then no, he had that momentum and then you know, you delivered with that album. Ye stink. You stank you so much. So now okay, you guys Um, at some point you leave the it's more towards you, elliott Um. The sources, the Bible. It's

the hip hop bix. What happens for you to start thinking that you're gonna leave and you're not. You're not just leaving. You're going to the the Mets, if you're the Yankees, you're going to the opposite. You're going to you know what I'm saying, Uh, what is it? The Lakers Worth Celtics. Like you're leaving Larry birds as as a Celtics and you're going to Magic Johnson and joining the Lakers? Like how how did you come up with decision? And then how did you execute it? Um? Corrupt had

a song called five Mics. Uh. So it was like the hook was like five mix. They're a kid to the store, say Corrupt, hold your cool with Mays and like he came off these planes back and five mix. I'm like, Oh, it's gonna be some chickers. It's thinking so called five mix. Um. So, when his album came out, I think it was Corruption or whatever. I didn't like the album as much as you know, I'm a fan Corrupt though, but the album wasn't it? And I think

that had that that review and another review. I think it was maybe shock or something and the mics I had given, they went back and changed the mics and didn't tell me. Okay, so usually argue it out with zeros and they was the editor at that time doing that. But it wasn't his fault day. They may stepped in and it was his decision because with them, I don't know,

maybe they just know it was to be fair. It could be because they thought the album was better whatever, But I hadn't never had them like go over my head and like changed the content because I would, you know, I'm real meticulous. I want to sign off on every page just like yeah. So I got the issue back and they changed everything, and I just called the meeting and I was like, you guys don't respect change. Who else corrupt? Really was corruption? I was called corruption? And

you gave him and you gave him two mics. I think I gave him like I was gonna give him two or two and a half in the gave him a free like something small, and then like something else got knocked down to like are it's like a half mike or whatever, Like I'm young, I'm you know, I'm frustrated, and I'm like, course you don't respect me, you know, because my dream was like to already do it. It was just like I felt the weight of like what that means, like fun the industry ship. I was just

being young, How was he? I was on some industry The ning is in the barbershop. Noticed it is trash. I gotta represent the people like there was no internet to now. Motherfuckers will tell your real time and ship is trash. There's no hiding it. But back then, if I don't go to whistle and say it's trash, we're living a lot. It is hot that we want we want to see the locks of space suits. We want to see that. We want them to put the the

gene suit on to get get busy. So I carried that weight and that Yeah, I just I just quit on some like emotion ship of just feeling like I wasn't expected. I didn't feel like I was ever fully embraced. I did what I had to do. I didn't but I didn't know I was going to double xel. I hadn't trip which I had on today. We worked in

an ego trip book of rapplers. So I jumped myself into that and then after doing that put my head down and working on that excel holid at me and I was like, you know, back then it was like the fourth for fit, Like there was rap pages that was blazed pages. Yeah, it was like they weren't even the third, they were maybe the fit for the four. And I was remember so then, yeah, I just I wanted a chance to show I could be that during Chiefs, I could run the table. So that's that was a

year later, and that's what. But the thing was when I took over ex Excel, I felt like my only goal was to was to be the best hip hop magazine. And back then it was very raw rock competitive. So I from jump that my strategy was gonna be. I was gonna bully the source. I was gonna just so, are you the one who broke? What's that? The freshman class? The freshman class that came later? What started with uh this year was Sigon Loupe and like all these guys

that was enough to have their own cover. But I was like, let's get them all together, but it was it was played off. Remember we did have Source, like all those guys like the ideas, if you don't have one guy who's strong enough, get all up, get all So that was a blueprint of that. That was I looked back at the work I did it the source and I'm like, that's an idea I need to flip. But then you didn't have a name for that cover at the source. No, I credited Juan Thomas. Two years

later he brought that idea back. He did it with Wally and all these rappers that sort of represented like the internet blog era. So that's who gave him the name freshman. He rebranded a freshman because because that's really the main thing that not disrespect no, but right now, like you know, that's when you do they waiting for the freshman class. Yeah, so my roots in that, my rootes are in that. But I did a different way. But they went back to that idea and we built

it and it did adult. It was the dope idea. So how did how did you? How do you guys? All right, no, no, no, I'm Russian. Let me let me let me start here here. Yeah, yeah, I want to know where do you think these magazines lived today? In this and not damn it's a good one, Like do you I know your magazines? It's about your brands. You parted into the dot com and doing this stuff, Like where do you think this all went like, is it is it relevant? It's about having a good brand.

I think whatever distribution we use when you hear drink chaps, do you think that's something we take a wrap raid off? It's really about brand, And I think the means of distribution don't matter as much, like if you look at it now, like even the envy like this end offew has to be videotaped. Like back then when I was on the stuff, we didn't videotape, and if I did, I was the editor. I didn't do all the interviews with the big stars. I found a writer that I

thought would be the best to do those energies. So I just think the means of distribution change. The biggest thing is about building your brand, building personal brands like you know what Brian be got million means will series, you know what wrap right on me? You know what your fen you know or you know drink champs, Like that's what it's about. And I think that sometimes some bagages half struggle with that, right because you don't have

the tangible anymore of that. But that model change. But is that you think that's all the way good, that everybody has to be a brand, that that the journalists aren't kind of you know, someone you don't really know. That's just the integrity of the journalist. I'm just saying as a question with Supreme, we don't know who Supreme is. That's a clothing brand. I think that's different what you're

talking about scrutinizing. I think I mean before like, we didn't get into this to be famous or you know, have faces out there. But I think it's just the evolution of the business, you know what I mean. It's like a DApp die And if you look to your left to your right, there's not too many people from Elliott's class we've been it's just ninety two that are still around doing it at this level. So they didn't build their brand most exactly, they didn't survive the evolution

of word. But there's people like there's a guy Yo who works for DJ Booth. He's doing great articles, Joe, He's but but Yow writer your Phillips's Yeah, So they're not really building themselves as brands, but they're doing great work. So I think that's really what it's about. So you can't rest on that lowls anymore of like what a magazine bram Man in that sense. You gotta do the work. You gotta put the working. Goddamn we got notes for these niggers and everything. Man she got no man be going.

It was I think it's like screw face and so you know, ironically, this was the place where we know, that's not where we started when we started. We started the old crazy hood office. No, that's what I'm saying. But when we when we like got um like going, this was this was it right side. On the other side, on the other side, did y'all come up with the Elliot Wilson because you know why, it was a joke. It was jerious a joke. There was a labs because

I hate him. I'm doing any other shod You gotta one. You gotta do what every one just do one, just trash like we need to kill the first first we even had to give me that one. Let me just tell yourself that people people, people want Damn y'all definitely did give me the bigger shot, all right. People definitely want to tell y'all. Um, the older that we get in this game, the more people want to kick us out. And I want to change that in the hip hop. I wanna you know, in every other genre of music.

The more you're in it, the more season you are, the more that they pick you up. Our coaches the only one you know. They don't even have a washed up word in um rock and roll. They don't have a word for wash washed. They don't even happen. You know, we're the only niggas that use the word washed up. And it's over for them. Like you know what I'm saying that you'll say right now, he get locked up. It's over. It's just we all. We're the only culture.

And I want to change that. And I want to tell y'all whyle y'all live while y'are breathing that what y'all doing for the culture. I've been a couple of your tactics. I follow y'all, and you know why I had you because I know, I know I'm not a journalist, so but I did. I try to have to follow what y'all doing. Salut and a worse as we keep doing it, don't we'll try again. We're trying to. Actually I'm not doing that again. Actually, better stop lying people.

I get it to kill. So what's what's the article you did? Go? Because I imagine that first we love hip hop. You want to be a part of it, and then you be a part of it. But what's that one interview of one incident that you did that She was like, what's your most proudest moment? Basically, damn in the journalist and like magazine, game whatever. Overall, oh Man, one of your most proudest at least I think about that, And I feel like I haven't done it yet because

I'm just like to celebrate yesterday's touchdowns. But I feel like one of the proudest moments is I think what we did together was. I was really proud of the first interview we did together on rap right over the Bible with Michael Jordan's because that was like first, like that crazy let me take let me speak about because that's exactly what happened. Something. You know, these brothers over there,

you might forget. You might forget hanging with one of these brothers one of these days, I might forget that. I'm never going to forget seeing Michael Jordan's. I'm I'm left Bractic City. I see Michael Jordan. I'm gonna remember. So when they answered me, I was like, damn, they sucked up. But for two minutes. I was like, I fucked up because I was like, damn, there's no pictures of that ship. And then I got the best fans

in the world. They fucking showed me this jay Z picture because that was the truth, like he really came and just fund with Jay and ran. It was a Marian carrier. I think it was a Christmas party. Christmas party, and the crazy ship was We're all getting money, so I'm trying to pay for fourteen other tickets. They're like no, I'm trying to pay for bottles. They're like no, it was all free. So you know, I wanted to stay

at the party. They're getting free Christis and christ I wasn't racist and ship so remember once they got racist, you don't say a whole switch to Ace. We're going going with Ace. But um so yeah, so that that but that was like our first viral moment that you hadn't launched the podcast, right, I hadn't launt that And then tax Stone when when when when Jay hit me and I was like this podcast ship is He had been telling me about podcast years years And when he

said that, I said, and when that happened? And I remember my publicist said, um, because I was Nikia Hicks at this time. After that ship came out, she said, there's no other interview in the world that we can do after this that they're not going to ask you about Michael Jordan's So she said you can. You can either continue to do your press one or take two weeks off and that ship. I said, I'm taking two weeks. So it was so it was that you got Michael

Jordan to respect listen for two minutes. I was sweating like I never sweating before because I was like, damn, Michael Jordan just called me a liar. You gotta what said? He said? It's three things he said. He said, one, Michael Jordan loves all music, which means he hates ship, which means he don't like hip hop. Because anything that say what I love it read hip hop, gush my teeth, just say I love all music. You don't love you don't love everybody. Then he said he was never at

that party. No no, no, he said, no, no, no, He said he loves all music. Michael does not know who nor he is very low blow. I said, I get it, Mike, I might not know who I am, right I'm saying. And then he said, Michael Jordan was at that party that part right, you don't let the rock, I said, And two minutes later my fans was like yeah really and I'm told my my whole timeline on Twitter was just filled with that ship. And then Jake

Jalen Rods picked it up. Yeah, you know, we put Jordan on the Summer Grand Scheme and I remember that's my first time learning, like learning like to win and don't spike the ball. Yeah, I could not spike the ball. I was just like, you know what, touchdown, go home. Like I never bragged about the ship. I never really like rubbed it in this space because I still want Jordan's like you real like trying to send you're back person. I said, you had a bad night. That night was up.

It was like I swear to guard. It was like somebody saying niggers, like sitting here in the white friends like what are your good close white friends that you like? What you like? Whoa Jerry? Jerry like you know, was like, man, that's how that's how I felt. I'm so sorry. I had a moment, had a moment. Okay that that that that's when I realized that podcast. You know, they just did a survey that podcast is going to be a

six hundred million dollar bit. You got five. I wanted to, but when I thought on the asset, you know what's crazy? Eventually I told this the way Kwan two years ago. He thought I was crazy. I think I think he thinks something I said. Eventually we'll all have podcasts, right, and eventually, why drop your ship with iTunes or drop your ship just dropping on your goddamn podcast. Just think about think about, like bick up to our carrade, Joe Buttons,

Joe Button has built his I'm just slexic. I'm justlexic. Joe is a couple of them. Joe has built his YouTube up right so tremendously. Why would you take a piece of art and give it to a labor to talk to your audience that you already had rights director consumer? Just think about it. I'm just thinking about when we get wise enough to know that like this, this, this is,

this is what we worked for. We worked We came from hand to hand off the street drug dealer, and now we're eventually going back to hand to hand because essentially we won't need a record label for nothing, right, No disrespect to everybody that the higher ups. There's always going to be the Kevin lows Is. It's always gonna be the Leo Cohns and the Jimmy ir Beans who figured out a way to make it work. But there's not always gonna be these guys. Why do you think

you guys have adapted to media? Like, what is that surprisect back in your mind? Actually, I knew he's gonna ask me that question. I had no idea. I'm gonna be honest. You always have respect for me, of course, I've always have respect. Actually, actually I actually went to college. It was in jail, but college, and I couldn't feel out um for the credits. So I randomly, I don't know if I randomly off I had love for journalism. I picked journalism, but I was loving show stays that

loved and journalism. But what I knew how to do was talk. Journalism told me how to talk because I was always a slanguistic journalism, Hey how are you doing? Yes? Okay, so what when did the thing? Because we would do practice like you know what I'm saying, like and and and that's where. But now the first hip hop podcast, I have to give it to Cyper Sound and Peter. That's the first hip hop podcast, the first artists rapp up artists, where the podcast is who Joe Joe? What glory?

I see he wouldn't call he wouldn't call it because and we're calling the Internet radio, which is actually the beginning of the v had that we wait long and it is, Yeah, didn't as we had it too. You're right, you're right, yeah, yeah, but I tea was you get credit for the first hip hop artist, my first hip hop artists. I've believe it's nice to beat Joe Bunn definitely if I don't you saw the weekend? No, no,

I don't Joe Had. I believe you're trying to google drink Joe had the first joey Okay, okay, yeah he had it first. Okay, let make but but wait, we can't negate that we were doing Serious X and Together, which pre dates Drink Chance. It was Drink Chance before Drink Channing, four years five years before Drink chats On before Serious X. Yeah. Yeah, it was the same ship

funny drinking. Yeah, we have all that. So so what is the what is what is the most like you know, three thrilling part about doing media, Like for me, I'm a fan first, right, so even right now I'm talking to Norrie, I can't tell you all the time I had to seeing the post wall like I'm just you don't like Boris and like I'm talking to like the superheroes, like I look like a superhero like Boulverine or something

like that. I look at it. So that's not to digress a little bit, but I love the fact that like I forget, like I think that you think that you're not a celebrity. Sometimes because you don't, you get excited, Like when I see you talk y'all just on the phone now, jay Z, when y'all was fighting, talk, let me tell you something, tell you something. You wasn't really bad at him noticing something. It's just something that he doesn't notice. But you said something to me that day

that really changed me. You said, the difference between us is we're really fans. And that's statement was so true to me because I sat back and I said, He's right, there's nowhere I could really be a fan of these other brothers because I was busy having my own ship. So what I had to do was I had to turn back to being a fan. I stopped doing shows, stopped going to the studio, and I stopped actually I

started actually taking this ship. I started having notes because the thing about it was I didn't take it as serious as that, and like we were playing around. We from Queen's were supposed to do that. But when you said that, you said the differences and you wasn't even saying that to me. He was saying it to a fan and he was like, the differences were really fans.

And I was like, you know what, that's absolutely true, even if we were playing around, and you know, when the truth is the truth, I gotta pick it up and I gotta eat it rather it's a rock or skittles, you know what I'm saying. So I picked it up and I ate it, and I said, the truth don't taste bad. I said, you know what, I'm gonna go back into being a fan. That's why if you look at the NAS interview, that wasn't Noriega at all. That

was poppy. That was that was actually actually and the thing about it not just not because I'll interview people who has never done and he have any success like me, and I'll treat him the same way. Because to me, as you said, we're superheroes ship that we have to

endure to be into this industry. Like this ship is horrible sometimes, but it's also the O G factor of why we do mostly O G because genuinely we're fans of these people we grew up with or he's here with, you know, so that's genuine, more genuine than if we had someone newer. Then it's not a genuine conversation, you know. I just hate I hate the one word as I

know someone who's not a fan of Youri. I don't want to get to this, I said on Twitter Stephen A. Smith dished you when you met him, and you didn't explain why, Like what happened when you did? He didn't you know what, I definitely worded it wrong. He fanned me out. I didn't realize when I was walking up to him, I was in front of a whole line of people that was waiting in New York this notice in Kenny Smith party. So so as we were walking through, he just gave me one of these and he moved

a back. I said, yo, say out, I might have been out before you like, come on now, Queen's down, And he just gave me one of the fool and then went. So I was like, I was like, oh ship, you know I got signed, I got but I posted the picture. Okay. You know sometimes have you ever met somebody he was disappointed? They all the time? Who's that's why I stopped meeting niggas. I don't want to ask yo. Let me tell you other thing. First off, it took

a home to literally call me. I don't want Superstars numbers. I don't want Wayne. Wayne had to grab my phone head take it. I was like, because I don't want to. I don't. I just so bad, I'm so mad. I'm so bad at getting rejected and I'll just rejected in directed myself like it dissed me so so I don't want to give you Leo Cohen's number. Yeah, that's how I listen. Really, I realized, up listen, just this is something I would be honest. I stually let me decided

Leo calls. Let me tell you what too. Yeah, wasn't was because it's like checks. But let tell you why I took that person, because leg is really really my guy. But I had took time to me I love you, I love you, but let me hear this respect I had took time with my life like three years where I didn't speak to no higher ups. I did speak to nobody that just was like I just wanted to deal with what I was dealing with and I had

lost complete contact with Leo. So I watched. I watched the episode and I asked for his phone on number. You know your Elliott, give me the Can you give me the why? I said, this is the first of I'm not trying. I'm not in competition. I don't want to be in competition. I'm actually hitting them like as a life coach. Though I'm alright and like you know what I'm saying. Like and you when when you took it like that, I said, Yo, listen, I thought I

was bad and battling. I thought I was bad with competitions. Oh listen and listen. I wake up in the morning. I beat my son to the bathroom just to piss on the toilet before him. So if he's sit down the toilet, when you look around, you looking around, you see that competitive. But when I see how competitive you were, I said, damn, Elliott has a problem and really okay. But when we came to CVS, no, no, I just

feel like one of the natural queens. One queens, we naturally compete, right, But then two that's also it's in you, like you want to win and win like like like I see, I noticed when I did your podcast, if this is something you taught me, and you kept hitting me saying, yo posted, post it posted, and I didn't know what what it meant at the time. So when I got back later, I said, this motherfucker loved it, like you love coming you. But but I do think that I'd like to think I've grown, and I think

it's error. It's not about that like overly competitive, like like nobody has. Like the thing about the whole Exxcel Source battle was I felt like the source had exactly what I wanted, so the only way to get that was to get it from them. You know what you're doing when I'm doing what your buddon is doing, like what beat I does. Everybody really is running their own race. And it's like it's not even more about like we're

all fighting for this one thing. We're all redefineding what it means to have a brand of podcast growth, so to be raw rock competitive anymore. That stople was played out that stock will not work, and I was and I was wrong to move that way back then. But because like Kendrick man, like listen, listen, I said it before, but I know Power one of five ain't owned by one of us. But the Breakfast Club is a part of our coaches. If you don't, if you don't come to see us, and again I want to make it

that's actually our Drake story is the Kendrick. Even though it was Interscope that was reaching out to Kendrick to we're ready to do it, it was coming from Rolling Loud and then that day I think they said, oh he flies in a certain time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So let me get back to Kendrick. Like the Kendrick, the Drake's Um, the Colds, I know you did called Ken Drake's the colda. You know, all of you guys that are special in your own special way. You guys are

the jupid of the planet system in the galaxy. It's important to come and support your culture. Yeah, Like it says a statement. When jay Z does four or four or four album and he books one interview and it's with Rap Radar, it says a statement. It's a statement. With Nos does two interviews and both of those interviews happened to be land on Tite, only two interviews for

the whole fucking thing. It says a statement that hip hop is supporting hip hop, So young fellas who are the young guns support this because at the end of the day, every itself and in some which way form of fashion. If it wasn't for people like us, it might not be people like you. You know what I'm saying. There might not be people like If you're a new artist and you're not gonna escape aid, understand it's gonna happen. If you're lucky, you'll be old. You got the certain

that he was over you felt off you. Yes, Now, like I said on your podcast, you know, um, sometimes it's hard to wake up and not be the man on Wednesday when you was a man on Monday. But for some of you people, some of you, some of these artists, actually have to go and listen look at that interview, because the thing about it is be humble on your way in, because you will be humble on

your way out. This ship will humble you. If it ain't, if it ain't me, if it ain't that somebody will go And you know what, I know this no matter how much your gangs. Now, it was there was always one nigger that was more gangster than me. No matter how much pussy I got, there was always one nigger, let's get it made. No matter how much running one, there's always three. Let's looking at me like I'm broke. So motherfuckers us be humble on your way in because

you gotta be humble on your way out. That's everything an artist. I think that's stunning on you. Why they was they was hot and then they dropped it, and then they tried to come back and was like and then they tried to come back when they had to cycle. That's I can't think we don't do it. It's like, you know, we gotta do it. Makes sense. I mean the problem with you get a certain status, right, it's like we say no more than we say yes, and I'd rather than that give you no assent to say no,

Like I don't even give you a nose. It's like we're not moving because the thing is also timing to like I'm not ready to move a certain way. So we were blessed to be in a position that we're very selective about. Like you guys, we want to talk to him like right now, pop smoke with that's my favorite new I like his voice. I like his voice. You like yeah, and you know what you know? I like about pop smoke. He sounds like pop smoke, Like Hi, yeah, that's that's unheard of right now. That's why I did

contest because I feel like, like we like cars. Yeah, we did forty five minutes with Megan, which is a really good interview, but that's a long time, Like that's probably the longest she could go. Like, like you said, I love Little Baby, I love Gunna. But they might not be ready for a whole hour of conversation. They may give you a good half hour funny minutes to a half hour. So there was definitely pressure in the

podcast that we gotta have a whole hour content. So a lot of these new artists may pop up, but they don't fit that paradise if you like that way. So that's why I came up with contest, because I felt like, if we're running around and we have the set place for the interview and they're playing their music, it's like I could get a good five to fifteen minutes and do pray content that way. So everybody doesn't fit the long form podcast model, but doesn't mean it's

not relevant. Like pop smoke is dope, but he's not ready yet to do like an hour. I don't think I want to talk about as music and that's how big and Nicki Minaj. Yeah, but you know it's it's almost like building up a cachet of stuff to talk about. You know, that's songs cool, but like that, it's gonna get you so far exactly because like you guys critique, yeah, they you know, I almost got to fight, That's what I was like, Yeah, what are we doing? Man? This

was after y'all actually interviewed him. Yeah, so what did you say to him that he was I don't know. It was posted interview, and I guess you know, as a fan, you know, people can treat you said that like his album, but you know, you know it's about his flow, somebody flow. I basically said that, Like for me,

I'm a very to the point guy. Like I felt like Wiley's music was too abstract, you know, he would like I would lose my train of thought with his robes, like like something like someone might say that about a

ghost face or rap corn that style. I just couldn't really identify with it, and that was the reason I really wasn't a fan of that stung with him and he said, you know, I think I think after say nothing in the moment, but after the interview I kind of expressed that a little bit more on two, you know whatever. Whatever. So when he was at the pool party, he was like, Yo, have a conversation. I ain't seen him around. Yeah, yeah, was saying about the silicide. It

was packed. It was at the Gross House, the big House in Georgia, and he was in rapper mode too, you know, because he was like trying to corner pool. It was a little bit of Molly involved. Yeah, I love so, Yeah, we're in a great space. So come up. So I go up and he's like, uh yo, man, Like, I don't remember exactly what you said. Ford. It was like, if you're saying then, I'm like, yo, what what the fund are you talking about? It? Like this body going around to me is his cruise ship. I'm like, I

was irritated. Whatever it was this way it was. The belly was somewhere I didn't see the first he was some else and I say, you know, I'm not doing this in with you, hil and then he was like, come on this side. Then I was like, let's go this side, right, So he's going to join. He's in my face and this and I'm We're going back and forth and I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna leave, like this is stupid. Part of the fight. You at the pool party. Next thing, we're gonna be world started,

world and not cute. Let me ask let me ask you real quick. Do you think and maybe it's more for Elliott? Did you do print as well? Yeah? Okay, So do you think that there's more be for Les beef in in this age versus the print age. With journalism and the arts, it's lessbief because somebody on Twitter is telling you your hairline and giving you you feel because the public is done them. You can't beat that. You can't beat everybody. You can't beat everybody up. You

can't block everybody. So you can't shut the lights out like if theyt saying, you know, Nori, no interrupted, there's too many voices. You can't shoot everybody like you can't like back then, crazy age right now, that's true, but I'm saying I think that more the regular voice gets in that chatter, like the majority you know what it is. You drop an album, you know you buy the weekend. Know how motherfucker's this feeling it? See it could be d o A could definitely arrival or likes with it,

Like you get that instant feedback that we don't. We don't control that narrative anymore like the people do because of social media, the Twitter, because the Instagram, they're gonna emoji you out, they're gonna say what it is. It's like it's all there, so everything in your face. You got to do with it. So it was a big one of the biggest moments for you guys. My proudest moment for you guys was when you landed at the jay Z can't happen. So first off, it was so

how does this happen? You guys called the sober House or same were calling so hard and you didn't know what everybody think since his house that they think is actually his house. No I knew that because you're a soul house like sib Yeah, regular regular. I need Malibu, Okay, I don't know. I can't get my mallible baby, let me say a little manible, come on, come ontr And

so how can I get in Malibu. Man ain't got me a whole toel October like said, gonna do a verdict on October, said why we got you in October? Like what, I ain't gonna holding batter right now. The reason why I got in so fast? I was actually there, like they're supposed to give you you you don't have a regular so you gotta pull up and you gotta say the people yo, for real and then they'll they'll

do back room fucking infamous. Okay, but hold on, hold on, okay, so you guys whole finally agrees because I know even if he wanted to agree, he's gonna take some time to agree because he's that time. The second time we had a Jay Z interview prior first time, it was a pump fake. It was I was driving to he was like, yo, I remember what was the message? Like

turning the mics on, ready to talk. I almost crashing my cars like happy, But it didn't happen because he was like, we're trying to get yeah, okay, and it's pump fake. What its like he doesn't know basketball. I get that there no push your t um with Jay push drug deals anonymous and he samples the White Girl used to be on Fox. Yeah, jay Z that ship kissed him off. Okay, so when that ship came out the next day, emailed me and beat out, I'm ready,

like who've been trying? Yeah, pull up, come to l A. Turn the mix up. But then he the Moistie stopped hitting us silence like then that Friday, I see tax Stone in his office and he's like, like the interview, that's why I went back. But going back to that, yes, so that was that was the original because that bothered him so much. He ended up, you know, cutting that records that represented his thing. But like that hit triggered him. So that was first thing out. But then the second

time to four four it's been out for months. It was like a couple of weeks and it was just random like because so he says, I'm coming to l A. No, it was like, yo, let's talk something like history who was trying to get to get there? So cool. So if you know Jay, he's cryptic, like he doesn't say

too many words. He talks like in riddles. He talks like Jesus, yeah you're talking about he emails you it's a synthesis, like this thing is ryding to me like when Jake contacts you, was just very cryptical, like you gotta like decipher the ship. So it's like, all right, we're ready, let's talk. So I'm like, oh, this is this is really happening. And so we and Ellie we

like scrambled. We go to l A. Right man, in l A, I'm not hitting them till we land, because we don't believe things that's real until they're really at this point. Yeah, So we get to l A and we're like, okay, what do we do now? And we hit JA like yo, we're here. What's the next step. He's like, you're a crew? No no, because I was like we're doing I didn't know if he's gonna do video. So I was like, you know, we felming, like but I don't even call the video. We don't have nothing.

We're just there. He's like it's Hollywood, man, get a crew, Like but you don't understand, like if you do production, it's not easy just to find that we didn't. I don't want to, like he didn't scratch this iPhone, Like we gotta get a crew. So we're like okay, and

it's like maybe eleven o'clock. It was black and white or it's black and white, but we didn't know what we want to do, okay, so back then we did them all black because I was supposed to be like the Rebird for the CBS era, like a different ships. But then what will Smith we did The color looks too ill with so then we were back to color. Will Smith got outside of that. So we're the airport,

were scrambling to trying to find a crew. But they were like, we're we gonna do this that right, And we said Rock Nation Office in l A. And he said so. But when he said so, ho, I thought he meant the sausin Holly Hollywood. Yeah, so house in downtown too, but the house Hollywood, that's about the downtown. Yeah. But then I didn't know about Malibu. Alibu. Fuck, That's why I like moment. I was like, we gotta getting a car because it's just like an hour so away.

So it was my first time then, like Elliot, don't drive right. So I'm driving the Mallible Way, I'm like being there, crash because the driver is beautiful. It's it's like ships driving like no ship, y'all almost make right, So y'all get to the mount. I mean, I'm gonna do a tager ball, but I want you the tequiladge shudge. Can you give me? He got me? He was on

the highway that story about himself. I thank you quite and I appreciate the other way and I hate it too, side as I don't give a fun So so it's all the same day, keeping driving a malliable. So I'm driving, crashing right up, driving to drive them out when you crashing and we get there. He's a drunk. So we get there and I'm like, oh, this is really nice and then beautiful and what was so ill was because I'm like looking at around, I'm like, it's like a Wednesday,

right middle of the day. You see what these white people in their laptops. Life is great. Like everyone's just chilling, smiles on their face. Member there, John Um, the publishing guy, he's a member of the always see them. It looks like a dope ass like apartment somewhere like in the city. The woman that you actually interview. I called it the Kendrick Lamar room because every time I go there, I smoke a with upstairs Kendrick Lamar and TV is downstairs

up side continue damn, how we making mallible happen? Tell you I would be in my friend. We go in the room and you know, food is coming out, and how do you how do you even convince them? Because first of all, I don't even know, I don't know who house is U a nonfillment place, you can't feel a valuable was even more strict than that, because that's that's a that's a that's a that's a a private within a private? So how did you convince it what

you just wanted? So that's what he was like that, But it's most like we have to make it happen. But then it's like you say it's whole, but you know, the funniest you ever say, fuzzy of it. But now when you first come in, there's like a girl, I said, right in the front, Right in the front, she had built up the system. I'm not trying to buy chother with the system that was running. She had hooked up the PA. She was in the seed. She was saying

that she heard the whole interview. She was with the ballad, but she was listening to us. So I just think they got they got excited, Yeah, they got excited. One it's one's brown scared and it's one of the real real dog okay, one of them. All up was listening to the whole interview, like so I just think like we didn't know the weight of the whole thing because we had never been there. Like look back on it makes sense. But that's since the palace saying holds the

ready to go. But none of that was planned. It's that we booked in advance, like when we come out, we're gonna do whatever. I was determined with Sam telling be Dot, I'm scared of things, gonna change his mind. He's done it before. We ain't hitting until we touched down, Like we just landed. What's good what we're doing? Like him said, yea, So we landed, and so what we did? We landed, gotten the rent of car, beat us driving. I'm like, let's en, um, let's see what we're doing, Like,

let's try to see. I wanted to get the clearance to pull up to his crib and get it done. And then he wanted the location. So with scrambling right Nation the Malibu and Malibu. So man happened and then all things we were setting up and it had the door open with the ocean and the breeze and the ship popping, and it was so dope and lush, and it was like no, but when we stopped filming, you know, we got to close the door because so when he came in though Nigga's got so stra truck, they forgot,

they forgot. So I was like, yo, running camera running again. But the thing that's great about it is that we hope. What what's great about hope is that you know, we we both have a great lection with him and we've had an ups and downs and he's a real nigger. We can really battle with him about certain things. But he didn't set parameters. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna submit to the process. He had the power that you may never see it like he's in control ultimately, but he gave into the situation and get kept und So it wasn't that you can't ask me about salonage elevator, so be that, you know, beabout the shooting. He should go for it, hena. So we got all that stuff and it's just like and then when I mean when I sent it to because that sense of approval, he had no changes. He didn't touch him.

He looked at it. So that's the hunt thing about like, you know, he's bad about ny To outside of that, you know, I asked jay Z, you know the infamous ninety two breaks at the fallback? He said, will never change? I actually, you know, what's the story behind that? And he really gave the story and I was like, Yo, this is this is great, this internet goal. Like everyone's like we made it, you know. So when the inter OFEW came out and that part wasn't there, I said,

what the fun is going on? And I'm like, I hit Yo, the ninetoo breaks you wanted to fall back? He was like, na, that was all Elliott, you take it out. I was like out. I was like, I'm reading, like not Elliott. But he made the right decision impression that was so bad? But but why would you do that? Yeah? Why the funk would you do? It didn't fit the whole FOURT four ship And then it wasn't like track

seventies some one ninety two bricks. The fun thing is that after we did that, the thing is round about the bricks all over again, like talking about that too, Like he's talking about the brakes all over again. What made even work really pissed me off at the ELI didn't tell me and had the talent was wrong. Okay, I see you now so now when my dad, but

I see I see them loading up man loading up. No, but but at that point, I definitely, I definitely have conversated you before I make it sision like it was a great experience. I still can't believe we did that, Like that ship is like it was like, like, no, you know what, I've been doing this for a minute. Fact that the fact that you don't know how hard it is to pull out the fucking camp first off that side of the room, because you remember, you gotta walk in and go to the rank, so that side

of the room is only where they even allowed. But it's like this, you're not gonna this. So when I when I'm not really realized that first, yeah, because I get you don't get cross to that. Why come up? You know why? You know why? I believe even if

we try to be black and excellent. So getting a hold is one thing, but getting him in that location meant so much more to me because I had just became a member and I was like you they told me that ship because we took a photograph after and in the picture there's like this clip picture over the clip it a little and said, we took the pictures like yeah, right three times. I didn't know it was malib something about the pictures. I said, there's something, there's

something that's ringing at me. And then I'm going removable and I'm walking through. And I walked through because I called the Kendrick lamarble when I'm like, kid, I really be in a teez motherfucker's I I see that. I'm going right now. The thing and the thing. The thing is to hear y'all say this story is amazing even more to me because I'm thinking you're playing that months in events the same day. It was like they didn't

know what he was walking into. Jay said, just do it there, but he did to me use that room, setting up that way, half the food, the whole thing, like you didn't know. Okay, now, Will Smith, you guys found the stunt on us earlier when he dropped the Will Smith that was that was fun. No, but yeah, because we looked at the thing was like, I was determined to make the whole title run different than the CBS. So let's just do black and white because it feels classic.

It's a way to reinvent um. And then but with the title one, they had setting up this Will Smith one in Budapest. They had picked us location and the blue there was like all my production cool was like the colors. I was like, yore black and white. I would be dead in all the time now that were black and white. But there was like no cut. They showed me the picture of it. I was like, guys, how what's that story? So Will Smith shooting a movie right, and he's going to be in Budapest for like a

month or two. This is the Genie movie. No, it was something else, so not a last he trying to kill himself. It's something coming out soon. I think they're using that technology where he's like looks really young or whatever. Okay, yeah, that's that movie. So he's out there filming, and um we were actually trying to get him for like a year, like he's just new the Instagram. And then it was finally like he's going to be in Budapest shooting this movie.

He's stuck here, Like he's stuck here for him because he travels a lot. That Nigg is like always like did he live on his best life for exactly? But there was like he got a film for these three to six weeks he's locked in Budapest. You know, could you pick these weekends? Like you can't pick this like memorial their weekend or whatever. So I picked the weekend

and we made it. That was playing out with bit More was like finally got listen, if we're willing to take the flight and go out there and get it done, let's go get it done. So we went all the way to Hungary. Was not about eight hours, eight nine hours, and we did that at his hotel that was at the fourth Seasons. But even he was impressed when he came out the way we had it set up and that's like the lobby or like a secret room in that hotel he was staying at. So his hotel was

you know more six star like some other ship. But we turned that whole set up the production crews like you see it like this thing. You know that ship is important. You know the thing you know you got you got on the shot. You saw him at the Nickelodeon Awards with the Nickelodeon a War, and I've seen him at the the ship that he had on Netflix. Oh yeah, the premier for the Alien the Zombie movie and Ship and that ship blew me away because you know I'm from left brack City, right yeah, right brack

City section two. Um, I really don't never think I'm famous. I never thought I was famous that all. And so that's why it's easy for me to do Dream Champs. It's easy for me to give people props in the set, props like I don't like to be picked up. Pause, Like I like, I'm better at big in somebody else out. So I see Will and he had to break for me. He's like, you know, what's up? And I said, Will Smith, you don't know. It was shocking because I thought I

had to. I had through somebody whispered to his ear and said, yea, that's Gnory right there. But he turned and he said, you know it, what's ups? So I'm looking for the person. Yeah, I'm like, no, you don't know what's up. And I don't know if he said nigga, but in my sounds, I game five and ship the room and I forgot what he said to me. But anyway, moving on, Yeah, hold that get just shot the So the other part of this is I'm in that l a um, I don't. I hate red carpets. I don't

know if you guys have ever people in red carpets. Yeah, yeah, it's probably. It's probably like five maybe seven of me walking the red carpets, and I guarantee you it was the time where I had no control of my career. It's Chris body seriously right there, like keep walking like the Scott or somebody like like that. Because I just hate red carpets. I've never understood the position of it, like you know, stand there, you're you know, we look here, you know, look here, look at like why can't I

look one place? Everybody take the one fucking picture and let me keep it moving. So I never understood it. So I go through the thing. They bring me these passes for the Nickelodeon ship. So when they go to the thing and they're like, yo, um, can you go to the red carpet? So it's just me, my wife and my son, and I literally had a panic attack right here and there. I was like what red carpet? I don't know, like and then the lady looked at me like okay, just flipped like like I don't really

the red carpet. So as what I'm saying, I said, let me walk the other way. So as I walked the other way, the first person I see is will Smith and he goes. He did to me again, what's up? Nor gave me a five? And this is the crazy shit. Also, I also don't think none of these young niggas know me. So me goes walked right behind me, and I swear to God, I don't even save up to the ogs. You don't say what up to me? I literally don't give coach k and and and P come to me

yourself something. But I wasn't gonna say nothing to I don't want to know. I'm not Joe. Butden, you know I ain't hating you know, I don't hear so so? And then what's is? Cardiv man? What's up? Nori says that it but he said what's uping? And I looked at the nigger because he was too far from me to reach y'all in the vibe. And then my son was like, then he would turn around. My son was like, give me is excited. He said, I'm like, he's some

ho shoe. I'm not. No, I ain't gonna lie. I liked it that because he he didn't have to do that. He looked at me and he could have easily turned around and be like whatever. You know. Yeah, we actually didn't try to be using for the whole crew. But what I want to say is the reason why most O g s don't give the young uns their respect is because we don't think that we have their respect. So I would rather not. I would rather not because

I was up to school you. But if I feel like you're gonna school me, you think that you've got a bigger chain on than me, because you might. Some of these guys might even have more money than me, while you have the longevity. You know what I'm saying, You might have better work to me. You might have better client telling me, But are you gonna stay outside as long as me? I'm staying outside all day. I didn't go on this side when it rain, I'm going

on rain skins when it thunderstorms. Don't getting under the thunderstorm. Yeah, when it's hot, out of playing, Skelly, I'm doing everything you said. When you see I always say some people on bill for it. You know what you mean? That man? You sad like when you see like what you mean like I would like to break it down. I know exactly what you mean. I would like you to bring it down because there's so many talented brothers that don't

take their talent as serious. But thing is, the thing is I noticed a cliche to say, but you know, uh, talent out beast people who's busy workers were working. You know it's gonna out work people with with with five six like I love it. I love I love to you know, just wake up in the morning and just think about more the every every great idea I ever had. I co signed it in the morning. I co signed

at five like this thought. This guy was telling me to do a podcast for so long that right, and I couldn't see his vision until I woke up in the morning. And I probably him like four or thirty in the morning. He's probably like, what is this problem? Every morning I waked up, I put my ship on airpin, I turned on I don't text. I said, I ready for me to rap radar man, thank you for coming out before we get out. Why can we do this?

Why don't get a nigger like you to do the national And I wanted to serious, I do want to know that yo, you know what um you know m hip hop raw Flush album two times? What a shame? And I stand medallions h to be told raw artests and Capone or fucking related. Wait wait, slow that I can't Capone and raw artests all fucking related, Like that's insane. So was supposed to be on the Roy Flush album? Yeah? I did ice that Medallions, I did that. That was that was my well when you did what a shame?

Like this thing is really going in. Yeah, you gotta remember that was an easy LPB easy LP did most of Yeah, he did bloody money he did. I forget how much he did. So I'll go back to being an interview. So I was okay, that was actually supposed to be capone Okay, and you know I was the next best person to go to, uh Warrior Flush. But I didn't know about Warrior Flush at the time. Was he was? He was? He was a real street dude like he was. He was the guy back in Mike Geronimo.

Mike Geronimo was a lot of people don't know a lot of overlook I was yesterday, but she was real. It was nas and it was Mike right here, bro, he's nipping at him right. It was really like listen, listen. It was like I listened. Even when when he com big al was bigger than NAS at the time when its Colombia, like in that building that records, No you

want to Columbia Records. At that time they signed big l direct and they got NAS, so they didn't know that vision yet big It was all about big Elig label. I was never No, don't know what I'm saying. That he was the guy. The reason it was great about Naz is ascension before the Alematic. I agree with him a little bit more, even more that he's agreeing with it when you're the guy at the label and the

label is the label. Yeah, because Halftime, because Columbia was a force to be record like this, So they was about big el Nas was the side rough house he goes. There were certain labels at that time that you knew. You go there, you blow. That jam has always been that label. They're just now losing that steam just now. No dispect to them. I loved them, but they're just now losing that steam in the scope has always been that label. But they always had sixteen artists that gear

that didn't work as well. They had six that fucking went through the fucking roof so much. But the other six teams you just forgot about these people balance that that that they were. And but now moving on to me changing stuff, you gotta start wrapped radar and you guys are backed by Paul Rosenberg, Yeah, and Eminem. How then do not Eminem? Technically? I don't know, but you know, and the site to be specific because here and he

was a little more hefty. Yeah, it's okay, but it's is Eminem's money somehow, somehow, how even how do you guys even get that meeting? How does that even set up to? I think that's an elliot question because the turning point was when we did them and this is a website, it's not a magazine, but it's not hard fifty. So we saw the supporting fifty when fifty was running the underground the mixtape ship was phenomenal. That running went

on before he signed a shady aftermath. The site supporting fifties, huh the site when you're saying, when you're supporting fifty site, magazine whatever, like already no, no, I'm giving you the whole how guess to Paul Rosenberg. So it really started with fifty I credit fifty like documented fifties rods, underground, dominating, come back after the after the getting shot, dominating the underground, running the game, and then he signs with he signs

with Shady Aftermath. So it's like, damn, like we had a good report with him. He was putting in the magazine every month. I was like, he's probably not gonna us because at the time EXXL didn't mess actually said I had to be foot the eminem before I got there, and I wasn't able to squash it. So he was pro source at that time. So I was like, aftermath of the Shady Aftermath finished, who would have thy? Right? Yeah?

So um, I was like fifties bowling up. But he's gonna like say, he can't sunk with us once he signs with them, they're gonna sunk with us. But when he when he popped off Noah, callahand Bever who's at death and now too, he says the me, me and Paul was first Paul Rosenberg and was like he wanted the comics at the time, you know, he was he was freelancing. He wont the never story, the whole fifty cent Eminem Dr Drake cover xx L. He wrote the cover US or you know, I just found out No,

it was a journalist. Always thought he was like a blogger complex. I had no idea he was the guy that was yeah, so like keep did that cover and like that was the beginning of me and pools Burg having to sit down where it was like I was only trying to get a fifty cent cover. He's like, how you want em? And Dr Dre I'm like, let's go.

So the thing is when I got when I got fired from a double XXL, Paul hit me up Poars and burg Eminem's partner hit me up and said, you know, your voice is missing from the culture, Like what's your next step? What are we gonna do? At the time, Peress Hilton represented the whole gossip, so he's like, that could be you. You could be the Elliott Wilson. You're the voice of hip hop, your voice. Everybody should read

your editorials. Your voice is missing. You could be the gatekeeper of hip hop, and you could be like, what's your voice. That's how we came up with rad That's how it began, and then we stout to be dot. We met and Georgia yea quez right now. It used to be that movie did it right there? Come okay, siss down the block ail you get eat God damnit. Georgia died and he's like, hey, I want to start a website. You know, it's weird because it's like two

thousand and eight. There is no Instagram right Twitters in its infancy, and the source had just lost tons of on the website, the recessions about to hit. It was a lot of things going on. And it's like with the dot com dot com. Remember they're like the first people that dot com was the first. Everything first, and you know, we come from journalists. Background journalist at the time used to look down on the website and the internet essentially saying go from journalists to a blog. Yeah,

and I was like a website. We didn't have a name, but you know it was like all right, I trust you. We're gonna make this happen. What they just told men bleak about that's hard to hold other stories, but anywhere we're gonna play that right now forget. So a week later we had to meet with Paul. He was like, I got the name of the website called right up. Paul thought of the name. Yeah, I was hoping all the names shout out and I was like, I never thought that. And it's like, you see the reason for

the name. It was a bunch of names, like it's one of like a generic kind of like one of the that that sounded like it already had been out, Like it wasn't like a new ship. That's true. We said rap raid of? You said what authorities like it already existed. We just started it sucked you, which was like, oh ship, Like so you guys have these websites. You all look cool your blog like she is popping. But his rap raid off, it's changed, game has changed, tagline quick,

household aggression. And you know we we we've settled on a date to launch at March night, which was Biggies passing of BRG and you know the rest of history have been at it ever since ten years right off, God damn it, God damn. What what does that backing look like? You know, to give me very much specific, it's like it's with a budget. You know, we had a we had a space. I was so and it was what he next. He was there for like six years and then I guess the rank got too damn high.

What was the coach like compulside, I'm saying it was him like literally investing in it. Yeah it was, Yeah he was. That's that's what I mean. I don't I don't need to know what the fun Yeah, he like I'm back in this and then you got are discussing

what it takes to make it work. Absolutely a real partner in that sense, and I appreciate that like him, he took a losses, took his chances like in that world because literally is he evolved because I wanted to be a big or just just wrap right of surpassive partner. I mean everything wrap Radar is still a partnership with me and him. Okay, the brand is still partnership. Yeah, that's dope. That's dope. Appreciate he's respectful. But like the

thing great about rap Radars it's becoming the podcast. And you know, I credit the guy's vision. You saw the vision before me about the podcasting to rap rate of podcast that was like, yeah, I was a SOMERF. I'm like, I don't see it because like you know, I p combat Jack. I was like, I don't want to look like I'm trying to like like want to set the bar in the beginning, and then Combat was doing his thing. R I p to him. I was like, I don't want to just jump in, look like I'm all greedy

trying to do a podcast. But beat Out was smart. He was like, you know there's a lane for that, and like, now, when you think of rap Radar, it's about the podcast. So I credit beat Out for making it happy. And when you think about it, behind the back in the days, the behind the scenes, the dudes was just behind the scenes. Yeah, I was the days. The behind the scenes dudes have their own you know, when it looks like it was a wonderful time, but

you were doing bad. You was doing rus because when we brought up fifty to you, he was like, he did not like it was what's about? I think it was Chass bless the chatd I think you did an interview with Chaz. It wasn't just that blah black hair chairs. Here's the thing anything, It's funny when people talk about um rappers like someone soul doesn't like you. Rappers don't like media, so it's like, so like the thing about him, he fifth we didn't have like that rapport. Everything once through,

Vanessa was all good. It was like, but I got no problem, Like I respect for him, like he set the whole ship off, like we mean history together, every run is phenomenal, like I was. I was. I'm blessing honor to be able to document that whole Let me straight to the point, because let me just do it and do it. That's a journalist, sir, obligated to you,

obligated to your audience. It's smoke Champs. So I asked you not to interview a certain person, and you felt obligated to you only because it was responsible something he already had said. That's why they got the end of what you mean. It means at the time he had did something that had piste off that crew, and then I gave them to respond to the situation because you know, like the thing was like same with the Tupac tupac

us Vibe. Tupac used Vibe to be his voice, magnify his voice about his issues about what this would biggie the whole thing. So it's like, do you blame the magazine? Do you blame why everybody blames Vibe for the same way Jenny and Business and fifty meant that we became

fifties platform. So when fifty had a problem with somebody, it got magnified because double x L would be behind this, So I have to catch all the heat that comes with that, right, And see the thing about it is that's the reason why I don't want to claim myself as a journe the list. It's because I want to give people. But the basic journalist thing is to cover

both sides. So if your side, we're not journalism at that's crazy about it because even when I did Ray and fifty right, it was like, oh, we didn't do it. Two months later I did Murdering because Murdering had got favored. I got raided by the fans. That's a story. So I did the whole bull's eye of the public enemy logo Earth Clubs that to this day if you asked Earth Earth Clubs that I always got along with Earth,

I got along with cats. So it's like everybody said, oh, y'all, En, let scopes, dick, y'all worked for Jimmy, I v your favorite fifty cent And then three months later, after the infamous covered, we covered the other side, which is the murder ink side of the story. So that's what I always tried to do. But I always always favorite Fifth because Fifth was dominant of the culture, like he Mazin belave it. After that conflict, he did the Curtis was Curtis album. Curtis, he wasn't that one that he got

on his f Elliott Wilson ship. He still did the cover and it was all cool. Yeah, he hated you. That sum wrong. But because I heard you say one time, you said it was hard for you to cover j knowing that you and j had became friends at one point, Well that was that. That wasn't in the magazine at that time. No, No, But what I'm trying to say is how hard is that? Because the thing about it is, right, I just watched the Love of Hip Hop, not comparing you to Jason Lee and no Way form and fashion.

But Jason Lee is sitting there and he's telling a one. He's like, yo, I gotta report that. I probably not. You're sucking some other bits, right. So now with me with me, I like like that day nas and be interview nas Naves could have had his face and a stripper's pussy that morning and my artist and with me and me would have not asked him that question. That's what That's what I distinguishedly makes me not a journalist because I would rather protect my artist, but as a journalist,

that makes me suck. You got. But what I'm trying to say to you is because I remember what you're saying that about Jay, You're saying it was kind of hard to cover him at well to accept that, Like I got to accept that we're growing closer and I do consider him a friend. But to be the good thing about him is that this thick skin. So it's like if you think something's white, he wants to have

that debate with you. It's like you can't like just be We're not here to be yes man carrosself a certain But that works with Jack, Yeah, it didn't work with fifty. Why we never had that report. That's what the twisted part about that is is that he never liked me. We just did great together. He never liked me. We didn't be in a stupn and it was great and I appreciate that. Like never like he didn't ask him, did you ever like Elliott? But rappers didn't like? Why

would you like me? I'm fucking media? Rappers don't like media. It shot to my journalist my nigger. Like rappers don't like a certain extate with people, get you fair articles, you start to build up a poor with them. No, but that was all. Really believe that's your report with Jay. I believe that. But one thing I can tell you, sincerely, Yes, I know you believe that Jay is the best artist

in the world. I know you sincerely believe that. I think that If you don't say, if you don't think Jay is the greatest of all time, you're just telling me who your favorite is of all time, like all that fift ship. That ship is depressing to me because it's like you're just like you have such a war view of hip hop. Of like when you talk about the greatest, it comes down to stats. It comes down to catalog and comes down the platinum records. It doesn't

come down to like lyrical, miracle, spiritual. It comes down to stats, like with sing basically saying the best artist, and that's subjective a certain point, but it's like you can't deny that one. It's type a little way to win the granby because it's the car the free time, We're all gonna clop whether we like him or not, because it's a little way it's time he wanted to think. So I think that is like this idea of like what is your personal favorite and what is the greatest?

Like we don't control what the greatest is stats, the stats like respect and what I'm saying. Some people on the different what is greatest mean though it's another thing. You're gonna make something personally great to you. It doesn't mean it's great, can it be? It's can have been more than one. So for jay Z, for jay Z to be whatever on the biggest scale, and I think so too legible goals, but also think Jordan's a goal. I also think bird is a goal and my wrong,

Magic is a goal. But there's always one validatorian the end of the day. Isn't that opinionated though? But it's it's generational And he's saying but and that's true. But but but at the end of the day, isn't it what you prefer? I think it's all about what you prefer, Yes, but you also take yourself out the picture and look at the larger picture as a whole, right, agree, Like I go to jay Z shows in their pack like

the B Side Show for instance. You know those things weren't cheap, and there was people from eight to eighty. They're reciting the words, and I alway is looking like you don't have to be a jay Z fan to know jay z music almost like a drink and his music has lasted the test of time and it's impact. You could be in the Bay Area and the forty could do the same thing here. I think he is a legend, but I think it's very regional but appealed. But it could be equally on that side as well.

They might say the same thing I'm saying regionally. We gotta understand that everybody has different perspectives regionally, right, but for what they think hip hop like whatever we want to add to these listspect forty, But I would use jay Z's approach and his music has penetrated the culture more on a national scale, more on a global scale than he for no disrespect because yeah, of course, so I think that's the reason why I would put him my number one as well. Who would you putting on one?

Though I got not the number one, but not And I want to be very very very very careful at this because it's not it's not because he's my friend. A lot of people, um illmatic meant more to me. I swear to God, I think it meant more to me than meant to him because of the time, like I would, living against the life, I can't describe anybody else or what anybody else was doing. I can only say what I was doing. And I got caught up

in the system. When I got caught up in the system, it hurt me to actually walk through people like queens like and I really had to fight for that ship. Cares One really put us in a bad position that it was like listen, listen. Me and I spoke about it, and you said, you know, we we listen to that in the bridge. It's true, but um uh all matic. When I listened to it was it was Biggie Smalls, it was Buckshot Shorty, it was all these dudes. But when al Mattock dropped, it was something that it did

to me. I've seen Steinway Street. I saw a story of hours. I saw I saw a woodside I saw I saw basically projects. I saw south Side, I saw a hunch seven got Broad. I saw this. I visually. I would read books, not because I liked to read it. I wanted to get out of jail. So when I would read a book, I would read Donald Goring's Horse Son, I would beat in Detroit or whatever the funk. Donald Gorman's wrote like, I don't like reading. I'm actually my name of my book is called reading is overrated? More

teen pages, four teen pages, hurry up, wake up. But so so what happened was I would read these these books like Dope Son, dopefee, excuse Me and all this ship And when Ill Mattic came it was the first time I visually saw an album ever like I visually described. And a lot of people would say, well, you know what that's because you're from queens But I wasn't in queens Bridge every day. I wasn't on staring Way Street every day. I wasn't in rats with projects. I wasn't

in woodside projects every day. What'side project wasn't from your side. I wasn't. I went to What's Side forty six and Bliss on the seventh Trade. I went to that school. When when Nas actually did that, I saw it. But even if I wasn't from that place, the fact that he described Queen's wridg that dope to me. When you

say the greatest of all times. And if you say that jay Z is the greatest artist of all times when when it comes to rap, yeah, I have to agree with that's it when you say that, because what do you say, say those words? No artists? You know? This is why it's such a tricky. This is why that black thought no wrong. How do we just think

with goats? I believe it is versus its artists like this is when we have those discussions, I say, artists versus rappers right, your rapping right, there's good rappers and rappers right this good artists, it is bad artists. Artists to me are how you construct the album, your songs, your versus your courses, the sales, the economics of it as well. Just rappers rappers can't agree with him when it comes to stats when you nobody turning that down.

So I think when we have the discussions more so about artistreet and I think about it, it's more, it's more, it's more I'm next to, but it's more of the what you prefer. Like like to tell you the truth, I'm probably gonna get so much slack for this. I didn't like reasonable doubt because I was broken, but it was an incredible Yeah, I just was broke but could not relate to it like I couldn't. It's like it's for real. It's like to this day, like when he

came up with niggas in Paris. Yeah, I went to a club and one of my homies bar fifty bucks for me. And did he go to the club and he said, what's fifty grand to a nigger? Like, and I'm looking like you just dollars you doing singing that line. But at that point, like I had, I was an ounce nigga, I was a quarter ounce nigger. I was a quarter key. I was a key dude, most I

ever had as a key. When you talk about you know these bricks and all that, I'm like, Jesus, I'm thinking, he lying, I'm not thinking this is really I'm looking at its aspirational. Maybe No, I didn't look at it like that. I looked at it like he was flossing on what's the next album after that? Okay, that's something. That's something one he had to marry go around where he went the merry go around, Sunshine, Sunshine after Sunshine.

That that was my nigga. That So I'm like that take a long time that take a long time at that point is that Listen, my very first shows was with jay Z. A Nigga l A l A came out the same time I hooked him up with the light skin bitches from my hood. Come on, he's been like about them, So let me say that correct because if you want to see I want to seem like, yeah you know, but um yeah, I had been. But after YO two Dan, I had recognized because maybe I

started getting money, okay, and it's it's that's real. That's the most honest answer. You said that. It was the most honest. Like if you're not making money and a dude is talking about making way more money than you, you're not talking about making a hundred hours more than you. He didn't wait making he listen. I had a five a five, so it was it was relatable. That's why I loved the fourth four four album. I feel like the album should coming because that's because I think about Graham.

It's my number to jay z albums, that's number two. The thing Grams, if you look at the tradition to the Grammys, they always like favorite is hardest, a little past that prime, like creating a gray body of work that like you know what I mean, mess certain things that that ship didn't relate to, like hip hop. When I was trying to give Jenny things like give everything in the Kendrick, Why could you gave it to Maclamo before. It's just like it was lame with me like you

got in front row like Jagga deserved one of those. Yeah, absolutely should have got that one. I'm high as fucked by the way. Chance. Come on, give us the smoke, Open it up, Open it up, show it to the camera, yo, shows smoke. Yo. Is this ship? You take it out? Man, I'll be scared of it. Train a day. What is that? Yo? It's just a twig with fucking frost. What we're talking about? We got saw you. I'm trying to get us advert smoke smoke yo, second hand? Yo. See his ain't drinks

become smoke champs. Yes, is always been smoked. He brought the name earlier. I'm not gonna I got drink, I got smoke dj LLC. That's right LLCC. Let's go and let's go. What's what's what you got and what's the ship that makes you wake up in the morning to be thrilled? Like like like like like you know what, you know what you know the crazy ship is right. Um, when we start this podcast, we wanted to just deliver information and what happened was you know smoke, right, people

want to live you know you're shign up for its. Sorry, Yeah, people wanted us to deliver I don't think you should. I'm trying to protect you. Why nig is nasty? Got like water with like a little bit like not just missingly drag a little bit, but it's all good or the yells. So what is the thing like, what is it like when you sit down with an artist and you get like for me, for me, right, I'm sorry to relate it to me, but for me to see nas talking about Prince and see now I's talking about

big big so elusively and he wasn't. He wasn't giving me one word answers to me, that's a thrill to bring somebody out there. Show what is your thrill when you do an interview? Um, like I said, just being a fan, right, so I'm talking to the superhero. So the fact that I'm getting But what happens if you're you're not a fan of this person. I'm a fan of the music. You know, I'm a fan of the coach.

I just want to do a good interview nobody. He wasn't a yeah, of course about it, but you could be a figure journey journalize you're not a little nose. But I can't think about who We've been too so many people that I wasn't necessarily a fan of. But you know, I love the music, but I'm not a jeezy active listener. But but I want to say something

about what he said. We keep talking about the naz episode that was not legitimately a real drink Champs and exact, and we have our story with that as well that we don't have to get into it, a little long story. But we were supposed to do it here in Miami, came here and then we went and did it at

his album released party. It would have been a totally different and yeah, yeah, yeah, but but but you know what it is like when when when we do it, because there was a live audience, so we had to cater to the audience, of course, and we only have minutes. I'm a natural former, so when I'm gonn that before, I'm gonna naturally perform towards the crowd. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, So I mean it was good. But the thing is one I was not asking about no, no, no,

his police questions. I'm not I'm not doing that talking because I'm I'm I'm a fucking baby father and I'm a fucking artist, and I don't want to ask me about my baby mama. I got like five, I don't even know, like even I had some time back in the days, So so I don't want that. So why would I do something to somebody? And not only that, like we're not only like back, we've pairing our relationship, like this motherfucker's hitting me, Like, why would I breaking up?

We don't do that, said to you, two hour interview with got it. He sat right here, He smoked weed, he drank all the type of ball he did whatever. And I've never brun not because that's not a hot topic of the conver but it's not our platform. We don't want to continue the gossteps. Not only that, the first time he had been you know, all here, he was warming with y'all whatever, So we let Benzino say whatever. It was warm with us. You know, we had ours,

So we let Benzino say, what's up? We also have a Benzino interview two hours not one. Elliott Wilson slammed that, Oh wow, plas, I just want to say he was possible. Yeah, is that he did say? Oh we got along. Yeah, it was just it got to the point where you know, a guy was running reckless, like we need to picture.

He had the g check me brung up Scott, he broke up you, he said, he said nah, And that's what Elliot and came on and Elliott took over this swear because he was always a hundred to got to that point. You know that we have to do, but we always a respect and that's what hip hop has to go into. But there unfortunately, I just love doing a good job. Then what gives me up in the morning. I love the fact if we do a good interview and contact someone, it gives an opinion about hip hop

and it's just the game. Now that buck, what is that? Like? What did you say? You said wasn't the top five? Yeah? I said, I said Stole was in the top five. Bad boy artist me and going back and forth, and I said the number one was Big of course, number two was Jada Kiss or I think Mace or Jada Kiss three was one of those and like Black Rob and I think maybe like Stoups like five or six, right, bad boy, bad boy, you gave him. So Charlotmi was like, Yo,

we are you talking about? Style? Is better than make somebody? What are you talking about? You're going drugs? Because if you remember back in that time, like Mace was the nigger going back to the Elliott says stats, yeah, yeah, at least it was a moment Mace was that good looking at you in your face and say I remember that, No, I remember, I remember that Mace was that not Murdervation was that guy, but that nigga he talked about what

murder he was riding up pre pre Harlem world. Maybe you talked about Murdervation cor Ma I'm talking about about. I'll tell the world that nigga was that guy, the nigga that did come to camera. Yes, that nigga double up. Mace was that guy. Popularity wise and lyrically. What was his own of No, you know this, nor you know that. I gotta tell you what that that's my eye it was. I'll tell you exactly what wasn't train. What happened was what happened was pol had got sentenced, right, well, Poem had,

what's that ship? Gotta diet in? And you know you didn't you get sentenced, so you gotta diet it. We knew he was gonna get sentenced Poem. He wasn't married this time, so Poem was running around sucking everything. God bless him. I would have been sucking anything too. But is that the train coming to so poem me, I'm so happy to be at the left Frac City nine seven days, seven little body apartment. So I'm so happy to be out the hood that I'm the first one

there when the studio is nine o'clock. I'm there at seven thirty, Like, I'm so happy. And I got so many rhymes that I wrote in jail. I got so many. So one of the rhymes was know this and know that voting Jack because both camera then you know, talking about questions, one of my favorite groups. So I'm sitting there writing a round and I wrote that up the jail, this and don't you know that? So I had the ship and I had laid it in Unique Studios. I'll

never forget it. I had laidership in Unique Studios and compone came up. This is when I knew Queensbridge is queens Bridge, niggas I got. I gotta relax and from left track. So Poe walks in the studio and Poe like, yo, this ship is ladyship. Do you know this? I laid it off with brand new be and don't let it go to you This before brand new bian, I was at my grandmother. She played this record. She played this record, don't let it go to your head. So I went

to east LP. I said, easy, LP, I don't know this record is because I don't hard to sampt that back then. So I said, he knew exactly the record. He's liked what boom laced the ship up boom. So I went in there. So now now let us listen to that rhyme and think of that beat this I'm leave, man, I'm leaving. That fits better. What don't let it go? So Poone walks in. He hears the ship and he's like, this is let me let me get my first ready. So I'm like, all right, cool, So this is like

my first production, like I actually produced this. I told them to temple this record and then the homie trash walked in. Twelve minutes later. It was like what the fuck is this? And I looked because I swore I had a hit. Yeah, I looked. He said, we don't sample like Puff Daddy, like Havoc. So they scrapped my record. It's the worst day of my life. It's the worst day.

I know this is a hit, Bro, I know it, So so do that certain body of that part I noticed, say but out voted the Queen's Bridge niggas a went but you held on to it, You held out to it. Yeah, that's just true. So so Nas is supposed to be on the album. He's on his record called music, Make this My brother eat money Bags. It's from my building Avenue, Apartment four teen B. I forget, which was way um so me money bags and OS had this record called

music and his stuffs calmed down. I don't remember if how does happened with trash replaced the money Bags versus He later verse, I don't know if that's the reason why NAS didn't clear it or or I've never got the full story. So later on they're saying, you know, we're gonna make it up to you for not being on the War Report that album. That's two big stars and Nas Bro. So we looked like we're the dudes. But we look like the dudes. That's the dudes. It's

not really, it's like they're Jason. They're on the corner with us. I don't know if they're coming in the house then, and I walk. Um. They invite me to Miami, ironically, and they said, I we want you to come on the Firm album. This is before they announced the firm, but what the firm was Yeah, So I'm like, yeah, I'll be there. They said, coming to Miami. I said, no problem. I'm waiting for them to give me my flight info. Flight infoe never came. So no, no, no,

they never even told me that. They would have said to come up on the wall Martin. But somebody was broken the time. This is after the war report. This is a fact. I'm still broke. So I don't keep it. No lies, no, no, no, no, no matter, no malleable nigger. I don't even got I don't even got so. So these nimes hit me and they fly me to l A. And when they fly me too l A, I walk in the first session. That's the reason why I'm still cool with Nature and I will always be indebted to him.

This is the reason why I put him on band from TV. First, I walked in the session. It was Nature's session, and Nature is a brilliant writer, but he just takes three days to right sixteen. Yeah, but he's sixteen that he's gonna take three days. Yeah, crazy Slive is going to this team got fifty seven sixteen, So I don't. And Dr Dre is on the fucking engineer. So Dre is waiting for Nature and you look an tell he's wresting. So he's like, this is the reason

why I always walk with Nature. So he's wrestling, He's like, yo, you're ready name, and so he's like I almost supposed to beat and he just switsches to beat and I'm just going like this and he's just he switched to the other beat. He goes boom and then the other beating. I'm not doing it to show up on the corner. I'm like yo, and Dre's like yo, homie yo noriy right. I'm like, yes, niggas, I'm sorry. Didn't like how you do drop its going on drops, So I said, yes,

I'm more. He says, he says, you got something for us, And I'm looking at Nate and Nate looking at me, and I'm looking at Nate like, yes, I have something, because you don't want you at your home. And this is because I knew what I was gonna do. I ain't gonna I had that it I ain't right that damn. I had to said, why did you know that would work? But once I heard the beat, it was not the helicopters, it was the um um I need you to that.

That was the first one. So when I came ship, I said, and that ship came out and this is crazy ship. This This is why I knew. I was like really thirsty because I laid the ship perfect Dr Dre. Don't tell nobody it was good. I laid this ship and he was like, yeah, I came out this before I had knew who drew perfection to see was he said, yo, listen, no one, and I didn't know what I was supposed to say. No, yeah, I did hate, so I said word.

She said, just do it again for arguments sex man, and I laid it again and then he made me late one more time and he told me later and then up people that Blood Money Part two beat so again I don't remember if that was track Masters beat and if there was his beat and he gave masters the credit that was tracks his beating. Well he pulled it up and that's how we got Love Money part to Member Money Parts Nation. That was done during the Firm album during Nature's session. Wow, if I was natured,

would if he would have hated on me? I don't even like, why is this left frantic Ship just thinking was one of two records in my session, Like just think about what we were talking about. He don't even know me. I'm man as Nas and Jungle guests. But y'all think it's magic and burg. I think he's made a lot of around. You gotta remember after the first off, this is in between them switching members that they don't

know what that is expected and just move on. Yeah, like we were supposed to act like this is he supposed to just act like, you know, you know, like we love Nature. But Nature walked in Ship. But he didn't know at the time. I didn't know at the time. Nobody at the time. They did that with the Fox, he joined the lat Familiar. They switched, they switched, they switched the verse. Yeah, but that verse, that's what the

thing is up was like then it came out. So when I gets outature and mind you, I'm thinking I'm going back home. No one's never going to hear these records. And guess what, no one's never gonna believe me. I never really told people that Dr Drake did because I was like, who is gonna believe me? Like I went straight back the left frack like it wasn't like I went back and I had a mansion and without the d and the firm, I went straight back to the left frack. And I did not think I was getting paid.

So they gave me fifteen bands at that time, the brands, So the record implored it for me. Yeah, And that's initially how me and Tragic Cort Beef because the same record he told me it was whack told me, and then he told my friend Left, who is who is the man? Right now? To the left was going on? He told Left, why would he take a CNN record and give it to them niggers that didn't even want to be on the CNN's first album. M m mmmm. He had a point, but he was wrong. Let's not

forget you told me this record was all right? You shut it down? You shut it down, that's trash. I don't want to seem like I'm because I'm not backing it at all, and no way shaped fashion for my fashion. But also I'm telling my side of the story. This is how I sort of time and that record I'm leaving is what made Nori so. So I was asking you a question. The thing was, I was a big Fife Dog fan, one of the biggest Fife Dog fans. And when I met five Dog, he was a little

like like a little like nasty to me. But pauls it because he was like, he was like, yo, I think you kind of nice. So I'm not going to trying to be your friend friends because I didn't know, Like that's how like rappers think, like boxes don't want to be your friend boxing meet another box, like what's up? Year? Yeah, I might have to suck you up one day? So yeah, so whf I think that? To me, I was like, Okay,

this this, this was this was dope. So that's that's how I eventually and if it wasn't for that record, I told that tons and a lot of people thought I was what was that when you nailed in front of did you know you? I didn't know. I didn't know, so I've seen the documentary on Defiant ones and and and people telling me how difficult Dr Dre is, and I'm like, nig I nailed the first one. But then I also remember I was hungry, like I was starving. But you feel like when that friend comes out, that's

the that's the track. Actually know what trapped? I thought was gonna be it. You came up, that was a good song. But if it wasn't for the firm you came up with it worked, hit me out and I would switch it back to yas. I wanted to be my interview of course, um, but to hit me out there was the thing was the Firm has so much

looking on him. Not because of the Firm, but because of that was Dr Dre's next project after the Aftermath, definitely, So it was so much that so whatever it was on and me, you gotta realize, this is some queen's secret ship. Nas and Jungle was giving me love because they felt like they wronged me on the war report and they felt like they missed the opportunity. They couldn't come back and say here goes this record. We those those ideas wasn't invented, Like now you get get a

new record, new that didn't start charging. Back then, no one thought of that, so they were just trying to write that wrong. But if it wasn't for that record, that record opened up everybody. Everybody remember that and then but actually recorded you came up first? What punt? What pun first? And it's the first time I've ever seen like like like niggas had a food budget, Like I

didn't know that. I didn't know, Like he came in with a food budget that's crazy, like he would or the twenty five pizzas and I'm like, yo, puns, it's four of us. So so I this industry, Yeah, there's so much ups and downs in between sideways when you interview an artists and think you did a great job, but you gave your honest opinion and these artists are not satisfied. How do you how do you remedied time?

It's almost like if you with your girl. You know what I'm saying, Like you don't give us some space and you know eventually they'll come back around. I mean that's all. You can't do it the end of the day. We're all grown man, man and women. We're adults. So you know, it's like you know you'll get over it. You will will come back to you eventually. I think that's the best. But absolutely stay hot with you. Ever wished you said something that you didn't wish you said? No,

what happens to actually the opposite. There's things that after the interview, like, damn, forgot to say that. You know what I'm saying that the biggest question I've missed the acts was how do you feel about utles? As I didn't care about question I didn't care about. Yeah. When I finished, I was like, damn because I had the ship wrote down ye, but yeah, we always do that. We do the most great energy. Were like, damn, we didn't ask the funk. That was the woman missed. So

that's the thing that's the biggest thing. Damn it. Goddamn man, I'm so happy. I'm so happy to have y'all love. Yeah. Let me tell you something y'all taught me. I mean, well, Elliott, you taught me um uh competition and the thing about it now, But you know what, I still take that.

I still taking the heat because the thing about it is wanting to be great have to do with wanting to be your greatest self, not who you're battling because if if I'm sitting here trying to be better than you, then then what happens if my true self is better than that, So I might as well just be a better version of me. It doesn't matter who if. So that's the reason why I love that we're all in

our own I believe you said it one time. I said, I think you said on Twitter you said drink champs were like the sixty Minutes and drink Champions like the Howard Sterns like accause it's different experiences, you know what I'm saying, like celebrity on I want to see norionas have a conversation. I was gonna be a fly on the wall appreciate you know, like like I always say, I had both of your pictures on all. So it's

a different approach. I'm more so as a fan, you know, a different perspective of a fan than you are talking to. But but you know what you taught me that brother, I'm just saying you when you said that to me, I don't know. We were twitter arguing that Twitter fingers. It's just it's just it's competitive nation. But when he said no, no, listen, listen, he said he said, the difference is we're really fans. And I couldn't argue with that. He said, yeah, I don't care about he said the differences,

we're really fans. And the thing was, I hadn't stop when I had to thick. You know when somebody hit you with yourth said earlier like it almost it almost tastes wrong, but when you put it in your mouth, pause, it tastes good. It's said, you know what, this might be the truth. Yea, this might be the So you know what I had to do. I swear to god I had stopped. I stopped doing shows. I don't know what. You know, how you look at this pop, go back to the toy, look at the finances and say, well,

what am I doing? All Right? If I don't need it, then focus on what is working. So because I was gonna be seven niggas at once, I was gonna be the rapper. I was gonna be up. But then I said, you know what? But then I said, uh, And I was trying to cater towards y'all style, or cater towards a Swede or Rob Marksman or Mike or bog Zilla a wall mikey Fresh said Mikey fresh Uh, Charlotte Maagne, and I said, you know what the crazy shit about all you dudes is, I'm glad I can't do your

job because you're good at your job. And y'all exactly what the thing is. I have to emphasize on being an entertainer, not a journalist. Journalist comes with me being to entertain. The entertaining you guys are having certain notes and certain times I don't even have to look at the notes because I just would rather be organic with you guys. But yeah, that's where I knew I messed up when I was trying to entertain with you. I said, I mean I was trying to be a journalist with

you guys. That that that that that doesn't that's not where we are. He's a d j im a rapper, so always keep it from DJ and a rapper. And that's when I said, I said, you know what, everybody could eat their own fruit. No one needs to. I don't need to, Like, no, we don't. I don't. I didn't at first because I'm being honest with y'all, especially in front of your face. At one point, I was trying to cater towards y'all style. I said, you know what,

let me try to cater towards their style. Then I looked at Charlotte Maine and I said, you know what, that's not gonna work for me. Um because the way Charlotte Magne how he asked it, he's not gonna work from just that's my boy, That's not gonna work for me. And then I looked at Joe. But Joe and c Joe Budden style is more or less talking about you when you're not around. That's not my job. My job is to talk about you when you are around. So

I couldn't use his neither. So I'm searching for the dudes. I'm looking at Sausage Jenkins old interview. I'm trying to voice. I'm trying to really get good. And what I realized my voice was already my voice. Yeah, don't try to be don't try to be a second coming of nobody, be who to be a second coming of r E be r e as as a motherfucking media guy. And I found my voice. Got damn so now working for MTV. All right now, now jay Z drops the album tomorrow.

Yeah it's trash, okay, impossible. Look at that that's the other biggest jay Z fan in the world. You know, I always have arguments with him just to just to get Piste off. But let's that's both. You know Jay, he's growing on his break. Yeah, he wants to do a reggae album. Times not talking about him, that's not talking about out of it O wo think it goes out does a reggae album. He geld gold front from Johnny Dang reggae colors. This nigga I'm hold for you said,

do you tell home this? Just try? Do you let it come out? He's gonna go this is gonna feel it, but I'm gonna be the guy to be the bad cop. He's gonna play it for you prior to coming up. Yeah, okay, remember he got right now. So he's in the rap Radar mansion. Let's just let's just stay inut. You're staying.

You're a mallible rap radar matching the new rap Radar matching the mallible bol comes in and you know from his swag he just left Kingston because he walked a certain certain I don't know why he has a take a set, but he has a take a set, Okay, and he puts it and you guys are listening, Lion, this is the greatest rapper all the time. Now start bottling. He's also a guy who cuts the checks. How did you tell the Y'allah this is not it? You kind of relax, you can tell him think about it's great

about James. He was like, you know what you're talking about? You back the real ship, Like so it's not about like nobody can tell him it's not the right thing. But you know, I think you had that one stupid like one stupid to the whole Snoop Lion this ship. I was like, I wasn't I didn't connect. You wasn't feeling a realcarnation. I was not stupid stupe lion. I went out on some real ants ship. But I didn't even all these years, I didn't really knew stop dog

and now dog me like real cool. But it's like he knows I didn't work with the Snoop Lion. Ja tak Yeah, that was that's not a class with j class. I'm surprised you brought that up. That's a classic. That was his first that was that was that's my reggae, Like I think it come to the game. Some don't get their props about reggae tone. I always get mad because people get at you because no, I did reggae tone. It wasn't bad. And now look at everybody. Never give me,

don't get look now, everybody, listen, listen, listen. I lost my whole when I listen. My friend, I told you, I'll get you next. One of my first fat Joe, called me and said, really stop it right now, buck, these guys do not continue with this my other friends. So the left of me walked in the room and said, I don't poke with that ship. That's the way it happened in my mind. I went to I went to her laughs. I was hanging out New York. I was filming. He was always filming. And then you did a verse

and it sounded to this gig. And when I turned the carmes enough to think it was just a product bad timing, definitely, you know what, you know, you know what, it's so bad to pack myself on the back. But I was ahead of my time that the thing was. I went we was bad from Hot nighty seven right

in front of the building started a radio station. I was not there, by the way, but I was going to Supress, the highway that traffic Honoday seven And the only way that could reintroduce us was through this reggae thing. So we did a record with Rain Wonder and Lexus Girl you want to take My life. You look Jamaica, look at you, look at you. So so that was how they started to reintroduce us. So I knew when I got to Jamaica, I loved this album. It was

just one problem, this just isn't my island. I love the island life. Jamaica taught me the island life. I just knew that a part of me belonged somewhere else. The island life period Jamaica taught me like that was the first time I said, you know what, I'm gonna fall in love with the island. But I just knew it wasn't myns. So I had to go to mind and I winded up in Puerto Rico. And when I winded up in Puerto Rico, I found this amazing music

that yeah, no one funcked with in America. So I got back to and I couldn't believe DJ or nothing and commit long and these guys wasn't playing it. But I looked like a hit to them when I'm saying that, I'm like, yo, you're gonna play. You gotta play, daddy Yankee. They're like dad yo, this guy like there you go, and then don't know more. They're like these names are wow and at that time the name sound but you know, you know why I saw it with a roll and

I'm gonna be honest with you. I've brung for Route to J. I bron for Route to N And they both had the similar story. One act why his shirt was so tight and the other acts why his choker was so tight. Forget which what which one was? What? But then two years later after oh No, because remember Corolla didn't just blow up after Super Dogs, a lot of people think that what what what came out of here? People? People thought we were both lucky. People didn't rush for

at first. People were like okay, and then oh No came out. Then that's when Mrical came with Black You ask, so Msica was the first one and then the big dogs came. But I don't know all over the place because I went to Puerto Rico years before it popped off here. Yeah, this is my my my perspective on it being Latino like here When I was doing my stuff, Everybody's like, oh, you don't do no letter up now I speaking. I don't. I was born in America. I

don't speak Spanish. But then I went to Puerto Rico and they was doing straight up hip hop in Spanish and my boy Echo shout out to produce a big reggaetone producer as well. He took me to a spot and it was Aga and all I could see was murder. She wrote looped, that's it. He's Spanish, that's all wrote flex This whack as but everybody's dancing. But I said, this is whack. And then my boy tells me this

is gonna take over the United States. I said, brother, they don't speak Spanish in the United States like that. If it wasn't take it over, what's my hip hop woun't be no reggae? What's what reggade would be? No reggae reggae don you won't have Joe, you won't have none of that. Have a real quick This is this

is my opinion on for all oats. It became an economic thing because all the big regga donadoes in the beginning that Yankee they don't they're ill lyricists in Spanish doing boom back in span we what he was in the beginning? Who ate wasn't Dad? Yankee's name was Winchester and he was That's what he was, Tony Touch mixtape, That's what he was. What I'm trying to say, is this the tourist side of the island or the country. And wherever they went in Latin America, they wanted to

hear reggae. That's the dance you need, dance music, and there was like, oh ship. It started in Puerto Rico, and then it started to spread. It became an economic thing. So when I travel these different countries, there's a battle in Latin America versus hip hop and they get thrown.

And now the trap music, which is kind of like don't mimicking you know a different thing, and it's an economic thing versus art form, and it's like a battle versus you know what we talk about all day every day, hip hop, boom bad versus this, and that's what's going on. That's the beauty of that. Nor being a pie and they're like Kanso was playing somewhere right now. It's like I love Lucy, Oh, let's play somewhere. I need a brag. Okay, let me just tell you something. Um, um, you gotta

tell it. Tell you guys down story without what because I don't think you've ever really told it that it was a mixtape version. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna save it for Latin, Latin version. We're gonna keep we gonna keep it here. We're gonna keep it here. Weren't keep it head. We're gonna keep it here this context. So you guys smoke champs. Yeah, yes, that's what it is. The smoke you guys leave you guys. You guys contract with CBS. Yeah, CBS. You guys, contract is going up

with CBS. I like, he's focused. How do we figure out we're going to keep it cultural and stay with the culture, because you guys, blew up. You just had the Jay Z interview. You just had the Will Smith interview. Technically, just over those two interviews alone and countless of other classic interviews, but those two interviews alone, anybody will come and say, I would like to buy this content. I

would like that. How do you choose title? But that those episodes were on title and I see this contract was coming to a close or whatever. The terms were and Elliot was just like just felt different, like the money was just too inconsistent something they got at the time. I'm thankful right they wanted it. Though. Remember when we kept going whatever money we were getting, I was happy, like, if you give me a nickel nickel, but Elliott saw a dollar and I was like, yo, it's cool with

this nickel. But I guess title he had a new situation over there, and I think I want to bring it over there. And it was because we gotta blow tight up. Because the thing about it is we all had an apple. We all have apple, and and I said this, I said this before, and I don't want people to think this is a racial thing when we love all the because because you know, you know, um, I love Larry Jackson over at Apples called cherry love

to all my people. But the thing is, when I say this, I'm not saying this this in their positions or audition, this in the companies they work for. But I like the fact that I can I could hit home. I like the records with this guy. I like that I did one record with him. It was all Kelly record. I'm not proud of it. I like I like you know, I like, you know, um, I about to say, I like, all Kelly, you got me up. You pick up the shot papers, all nice, big up to my people. Shot papers.

You know what we're doing it and what the smoke channel? To make sure you what was I talking about? Come on? I was. I was into that, I said, jay Z and I like the fact that I could call my CEO. Cameron actually said that one time, Cameron, someone could teake Cameron after he had left um what was it epic or was it? And a sony sony and he had signed to jay Z and I remember Cameron saying something and it hit me. For pause, it hit me in a way I have never been hit prior to that.

Hit balls hitting the balls that I mean, I understand that balls like, but I'm saying it hit so the way it hit me. He said, I like the fact that he can call his CEO. And when he said that, I said, oh ship. And here's the thing. Drink champs had became like a thing that people talked about. Didn't understand anybody who could cheek the Donas interview never seen. That was a hundred and six nine episode. You've never seen a hundred and sixty eight because we pick up

our artists. We didn't do nothing abnormal people like you picked him up too much. We picked every fucking body up comes. So there came a time again, I know ear fings gonna look at me. There came a time where certain companies, because it was a one subscription company who came at us a subscription company, and when a subscription company came out and they so when they came Paul, what would be the difference if we do it there and if we do it here? So I'll call Charlemagne

one day. Title was not in the are. This was just their situation and the massive pill. And I said, Yo, what did you what would you think? And he said, you know, sometimes when the culture blow up, the culture always get outside the culture. I'm not mad the culture to keep it culture. And it was the most simplest thing for me to do in the world, right. And the thing was, I like the fact that our bosses look like us. If they don't mind calling them my boss,

I don't give a funk. I don't give who's your boss? What you want? Oh my god? What did Jay say? What's your employer name? With your pieces? I like the fact and I like the fact that I'm the guy who I'm working with looks like me. I like the fact that guy that I do business with to get my thing on television looks like me, and he dances as well. He's wear shiny suits. I like the fact that when you hear us, it comes from a guy that if it wasn't for his career, I might have

even been here anyway. I wasn't rhyming like that before Illmatic had to change my whole ship. I think we all had to change our up at the Ilmatic. I think even Jay would say that. I think Jay did say that. Did he say that? He said I thought he was all on Blueprint three? So I like the fact. And there's certain people who would come and say, well, that's a Luminaiti, let's do what What is the next one? What do you say to people like that? People? You

know what they're saying, that you're easy luminite? What they say that they say that because you want I'm not that, because I'm not that rich, because you want MTV, because you want MTV and you want type this is the first thing that I have to say. But what did the rich one you did for the luminati, the rich, come on this show. What do you believe there's something called blackballing? Like I asked, somebody think about it. When he said, okay, hold on, actually the something called black baller.

And I think he gave the most best I'll take on the side of type the most guest, as you don't have to pass the most I wait for Elliott get the most best answer. He said, if there's such thing as black bailler, would you let them black ball you? Now he flipped it though, like, but that's not If you got wildfire, you can't be black You can't black I don't. I don't believe so many. If you got a Twitter account of instant, you can't be black balled. Man.

So unless those companies black ball you, it's hard. It's hard as black for you black ball you in this error. Yeah, because again you have a certain direct line to the consumer. Right back then we had to go through the direct companies. There was a little SoundCloud Freddie Gibbs. Freddie Gibbs left

UM and did well off for itself. Times back in the days, you leave this company and they'll quote unquote MA and you'll probably his blacks Like it's gonna make it hearty if he had to go through that and he overcame it. But this is what I think, and you correct me if you think it is right, if I say, if I say, I don't funk with Elliott, right, all right? So right, So it's not that I'm calling him saying don't funk with Elliott. I'm saying it publicly.

I don't call with Elliott has to make his I'm calling him, calling bet and saying, you're be got If you standing next to Elliott to me and you got beef, I'm not doing that. The thing is you're standing next to him, and you know that that's your choice. You may climate yeah, because because because I'm trying to tell somebody, like I'm trying to tell the individual there's like yo, because I know niggers don't want me on a drink chance. I'm like, you're stop it, man, listen, man, you gotta stop.

I like, yo, Never I've never had a conversation with j about you. I've never had a conversation but about you. I don't have a conversation but not. I'm just starting to do business with these people. But the thing is, you just think I'm getting wrong. What a billionaire and I'm talking about you. I got to figure out who this rapper. No, it's not a raper. But the thing about it is so many people who lose in life. And I'm not I'm not calling this person to lose it,

but but so many people are losing life. That's what they blaming on. They say that. They say that the reason why beat Out is winning, or the reason why beat Out is on MTV is because he's a part of Illumini. You know what I'm saying that it makes me feel like success. For you to even say that that makes it that makes me feel successful, like I'm in Illumina. I don't even think that. I can't even get verified on your sign to jay Z brotherly like yes, yes,

they think you're in a luminality. Yes, this is the first time you heard that I'm bringing into your fourth first brother. This is and they're saying about me. And at first I used to be um flatter because I used to be like, all right, that means I'm up. Yeah, I'm up. But now that that I'm actually seeing with it, I don't like it because I feel like they're taking away from my success. I feel like what you're saying, I ain't work hard. We got a hundred and sixty

nine episodes for a reason. You know, we're out here. I'm out here with five fucking gold, fucking platinum albums for a reason. This man has been DJ and for twenty five years and we even touch a fucking crate unless it's vinyl because he's fucking for real for a reason. Like, Yeah, this nigga is a stubborn guy. So I just say that, you know what I'm saying, like like like like this

is what I'm saying. It's like, um. And when they say that, in case you didn't know that, anybody who messes with Jay, anybody who kind of like gets close what Puffin wins, anybody who who does business with nos That's the immediate thing that they say, I happen to do business. We happen to do business for all three because the business made sense, not because we're down with anything. And these things have no control over our ship. That's one of the things that we said is like we're

not changing a damn thing. We're still gonna smoke weed. We're still gonna smoke the smoke camps with the white ship around it, that looks like cocaine in TBD. And when we and we're smoking it out of shine papers, shine papers we got. We're gonna be smoking blaze. We're gonna be We're gonna be drinking sut. We're gonna be drinking space. We usually have a space. Sorry hole today I'm still gonna do no listen, listen, you know, let's

take a week to come here. But I couldn't listen listen AI serious man, being honest, I don't need to have a conversation with one. Yeah, because a spade is very too expensive. But yeah, we got we gotta yourself because we want we want this ship to be oh wrap you rabble? What the fun rap rappers for us? You want to man? And we want you to know brothers.

You know, I think, y'all, I'm so glad that your brothers came and sat down with us because because a lot of people doing you know what, a lot of a lot of people thought that this was this was like a competition or beef and the things like that. And the thing is, I've warmed it it. I welcomed it because I needed it. I needed to be put in my place. I need to be put it on

my toes pause. I needed to, I needed, you know, because yeah, because the thing about it is, the thing about it is if anything comes easy to me in life, I don't want it like I don't. I don't. I don't know how to roll a blunt because it's not easy like I want. I want, you know, I want to work for it. I want to. And the thing was you guys, It was rap rad Off, You guys was establishing what was going on. He was the biggest thing. And then we came to CBS and it probably felt

a little crazy and it did. It did. Let me tell you what what what? What was? The first thing was the time when we interview tax Stone and the interviewed see the God. We had road weeds and the guy and in the next yeah, yeah, and it was like the rap Radar guy said, you guys can't be rolling weed in here. He said, was highly upset, yo. But let me tell you something be Dot Brian be Dot Miller, Elliott Wilson. I want to thank you guys.

I want to thank you, thank you. I want to thank you guys for doing what you do in hip hop. I want to thank you guys for holding down what you're doing hip hop. I want to thank you guys for doing reporting journalism the way it's supposed to be. I want to thank you guys for motherfucking monkey foot

in this game and not stopping. I want to thank you guys for upping the game and going out there and getting the jay Z and getting the Will Smith and getting the fun you gotta do and making sure your interviews is on point to make sure that my ship is on point, because I watched it me one of your motherfucking ship to make sure that I can

step it up. And I want to thank you in your face, not behind your back, to tell you we appreciate what you do for the Coach, that we appreciate what you do for the podcast game, and we appreciate what you're doing for title, because we're gonna make this ship the new Apple, Last Last. I gotta come on those big shots though I've been noticing. Yeah, I think it's been going crazy. Solo, Yo, Solo, Thank you so much, man. That was like a four hour conversation and