Episode 169 w/ NAS

Chats Motherfucker? Yappy hour makes up. When we started this show, we said that there was no platform for legends. When you have ten, fifteen years or more in this game, they want to call you old, they want to call you washed up, they want to say this over for you. And all genres of movement like rock and roll, jazz, whatever the older you get, the more season you get. I wanted to change that in hip hop, so instead of us can playing about it, we did what the

funk we had to do. So when we throught of this show, the person that's here that's our guest today is the Empity of me of that is the guard m C. He's my favorite MC of all times. I never even told him that this makes me a kind of fake nigger, like I told him that, like I said texting right. One of the best business man. He showed Queen's Bridge people that not only you can be from the hood, but you can transition yourself into being

a real full fledged businessman from the world. Showed the world this man has done whatever he had to do countless times and he's on top. He's number one m C. One of the illdest lyrically ever inclined, keeping the classy, keeping the clup. See, I've never seen them on a bump day. Neither then they've never had one bump day, Like everybody has a bump day. Nows like at one point you're gonna come outside like a you got to.

But if you don't know what we're talking about, me too, about Niles by the way, By the way, they still like being called Niles Estoball or yeah you don't give up, Yeah I don't give a thing. Cool got them you already drinking before me. So right now we're celebrating lost tapes. So let's take those those tapes too. So let's break down the origin of lost tapes. Lost tapes is the

records that didn't make the album. You could make an album out of your side, but yeah, yeah, you know you got the records that you didn't he wasn't sure about, so you just they sit around. What's spending time? Is this that these records are like win and win, like two thousands seven to last year. Yeah, it's different albums. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of albums. So the crazy thing is, um, first, um, first time I actually met you, met you was on

Vernon Boulevard. I think he was going on tour and you was your your homeboys is playing this record that I've never heard before in my life. I heard it one time one time, Odie. I don't know if you remember this story. I'm walking through Vernon Bulevard cause you shotted me out without actually meeting me, like like, and I finally met you. They it was playing this record. Now you tell me if I'm bugging it was there's a lady cops sucking the thugs dick on some bug ship.

Yeah that record up. No, he's looking at little STAPs for that record. I'm looking to lock. It's the first time. I feel like little Wayne bit your ship, oh ship. Yeah, you know when I when I heard that song, it reminded me of that ship. But I didn't think nobody even that. You wouldn't even heard that joint dog. That's crazy. No one knows that. I was like, Yo, how long ages is? And you heard this record? This was after it was written. This was after it was written, and

this is the fifty dollar Panta sonics. I ain't making no noise. He's come on, ain't making no noise with it? Man, please get the money. Were walking through Vernon Boulevard and obviously obviously uh it was marb Deep that was coming up. By the way, um the Prophecy tribute. We'll go right to that. I remember they playing in a fifty dollar panastic. I remember I was like, damn, this nigga saying that he's sucking a lady cop. And I had never knew that people can say that. I was so scared. That

was like a nigga album before Nick albums. That's the truth, you know. I remember that song dog like, I think Elios might have did that. So I didn't know what to do with the song though. You know, that's that's that's lost, lost, lost, that's like that's twenties something years ago. That's crazy, bro. And of course I shout at you out because y'all was coming up and I've seen that ship and I'm like, these dudes, these these are the

dudes right here. So it's like, so queen ship, you know what I'm saying, seen them coming up, capone, noriega. I knew it was gonna be on. Yeah, for sure. I ain't gonna lie to that change. That changed my life because, um see, I know, I know you humble and um and you don't realize that you're the greatest m C of all times, the greatest mc all um. You could worry. I'm gonna be cocky for you. This is this is where we're here for. Um. I want

to tell you. I want to get to gotta say I'm happy to be here man, man, you know, yeah, I just want to tell you what al Matock was, right. Um. It was a point in time caress kind of sucked us up right clear. It was I was running through spar Fit and I was running through Rager's Island. They were saying, queens, it's bron snickers. They know I didn't not like that. So it was one period. I'm sorry

cause I've never told you this. This is crazy. It's one period that it changed the course of Queens m and I don't know if you noticed, I'm sure you know it. It was ill matic when when that's a fact. Listen, it was Queen's nickers blowing dudes every day. They had to get it on because it was it was the joke of the town at the time. It would say

Queen's you turned around here. But the ill Mattic came out and was like, all right, you know what you're talking about now, because that's how you you you you described the picture of Queens and Queensbridge in a way like Donald Gorman's to think about why people read books in jail as they go to that place. So everybody when ill Mattock came out, every body actually it's not only just from Queen's braves, but they was from Queen's period. Do you know that I heard? Good looking? Though, look

your Careress story is like, uh, it's incredible. Care Arrest is a leader, he's he's one of my favorite rappers ever. So when I first when I was putting out the Automatic, it was like almost two show care Arrest one. It was almost that was part of my drive because I had to because of what he had done, so I had to. It was part of it. Was like, yo, look Caress were here, so you know, he's one of

my favorites ever. But never mind saying that it changed the course of queens or whatever changed the course of hip hop period, Like did you even imagine that you would just change, like the evolution of hip hop, because it, to me, it changed. It was a new era in hip hop when Thematic came out. Lyrically yeah, yeah, I mean we had rock him and we had we had lyrics,

but it just it felt different after Atmatic. I feel you it was like I had represent It was like like Norri said that the pressure was on the Borough and my projects, so it was like and then just getting in the game, you had to have something to say. So I definitely had to push it, push, push the pen hard because it's not but it never flew and people like me, I'm in Miami and I feel like I was in Queensbridge listening to what I'm saying. It was so vivid, appreciate. I'm not gonna lie to you.

I think I could quote that album backwards. That's how good I know that. I know I know the album better than you. I promised to you, I can you. I can sumend your verses than because it meant it meant so much more than me because we were in we were in the pen now when it when it came out, when I was in the p now, I was locked with the Brooklyn guys. And it was Biggie and it was it was a Buckshot. It was Buckshot

and and and I knew mind you. I have met you through a Canelli, but I didn't know that was you. And then when you said when I was twelve, I went to health of stuffing, Jesus, what was room with you? Sack or waving automatic guns and nothing? Everybody ever? Did everybody ever actually that question? When you were twelve? Me went the health is nothing, Jesus. I was. I was sick at um what was happening in the black community. And I felt like what was pushed on us uh

on a religious level, um was before my time. You know, the Black church is powerful, definitely been there through the Civil rights and all of that, and still powerful to this day. But I was I didn't see it as a black thing. I didn't see it as I saw no ones coming to save us, you know, So I just felt like it's me against the world. Had a very rebellious spirit back then, like serious. So yeah, but you know, I love Jesus. That's my man. That's my man.

And it's also a rumor that's been looking around that it was you and Acnelli together. What you mean, like like when y'all went to the deal or is that true or something like that? We used to go um the Columbiada. You're talking abou No, not before that, being accused to meet me at the last car on the train and we're gonna go here, or I'm gonna come pick you up and we're gonna go shop. These tapes I Cannella used to get me like motivated to go

shop demos. He for somehow knew he knew where the officers was, he knew who to go see, he knew he made meetings with them, He booked meetings with like like real people. The barbecue and all that after after because I met him doing a lot of the barbecue. So he was like thinking like a businessman like he was about it. I didn't. I was like, are we really going to these going to these offices, like yeah, yeah for sure. You know I joined the Taliban right now,

you've seen them lately. Look, you know you're going crazy, pup don so. So I need to ask this question because as a fan, this is a hip hop fan. No Wu Tang came and they destroyed ship, but it was a skin on Ghost Face album. Yeah, goddamnit, dj J, what's what's rock? That's a skin? When they said a big nas ship, Yeah, they said ship. Um it was um, that was a talk. So that was a talk. I

just I couldn't believe he said it. So, um, it's over the album cover right because Biggie because I had a picture of young me on the cover, and then Notorious b I g rest in Peace had a um picture of a baby that was going to be him, supposed to be him. So of course people start comparing because they was comparing us anyway. So then the album cover came and it was like, oh, so Ghost said it. I said, Uh, it's straight blood sport out here. It's war. Absolutely.

When Ghost said that ship on um a raised tape, Oh that was crazy. That was crazy, man, because because it was something after that I think puff Big called me. You've never heard this story? Now, Yeah, Big called me and he's like, yo, fucking with the wound niggers. You knew they said that ship. And he was like, Yo, that's how you feel away, bro, because me and him was tight, so we you know. I was like, yo, I mean that's ghosts, ghost faces, ghost face, there's no

love loss. I didn't know he's gonna say this ship. And he was just he was a little disappointed because he wasn't trying to bite off my ship. No, no, just just in general because he he wasn't coming at it like that. Because if you listen to this album he rapped from you tell the whole story and ship. So I never I didn't look I didn't look at like like, I didn't look at it that. It was just competition at that time. So at that time, I was like, I was riding with that a little bit

because it was competition. So it was just one for me. Other than that, bust Of Rhymes had told me a story because I bust Of called me all care bust I forget Buster said, yo, tell nas about the one time it was you him and method Man in the studio. And Big was supposed to come up, and Big didn't want to woke up flights, the stairs, the elevator. The elevator was broken, and Big had a car accident, so he had a cane and he's like, dude, he said, I love your niggers, but I ain't want to like

the stairs with this bro. His ship was broke. Something was broke. He had a car accident. Yeah, that was a crazy session. That was gonna be some ship. So I didn't lea no verse. But the next day Big came and and he did his ship. You know, that's the only verse that Big when that pocket, Yes, the double album, will the double album. He had some verses for him, but you're right, that was the one when he went right at him, right, Adam, you bust have played me that verse. I was gonna bring her here,

but I said I don't think I should. I was like, I don't think I should. So that's that's so. Yeah, Okay, it comes a time after Illmatic right where it was written. Well, now, oh I like that. I like that. I like so so it changed from the project kid to like, uh uh, Big, the big guy. I remember track master tone. We're asking him so you'll track myster tone I want to do? Um uh, what's what's this thing with Lorman? My toes said, I will never give you that record, I said, jess Us,

and did you will see at lash from? Because you you you? It was almost like you not like a backpacker. I don't want to say like a back poper. You was like the king of the underground. And then as you transition to it was written it was like, now you're a boss. But as soon as you become a boss, people kind of you know what I'm saying. Did you did you like see that? Like crossover? Yeah? Oh yeah,

big time, big time. When when we first put off the record, it was a white label, so they didn't know who was singing it, so they didn't know it was her, So they're thinking, why is somebody singing on this on your record? Bro? Like what's going on? And I'm like, Dog, that's the that's Hohodini, the beat, that's Whodini, that's something she's singing. Curtis bow Dog. This is this is hip hop to me. Um, it sounds good for

radio too, but I'm just saying it's hip hop. So this is what we This is what we're doing the way the way the thing was changing. It was like radio was opening up to us. Hot Night the seven was now a thing, and that's opening up to us. So if we can have a record that the streets is into but also has a appeal to go a massive hill, to go massive massive, then you had to

do that. We had to do that to get to the next level, because you know, that was just the the challenge was to just you can't just be rapping. You gotta make records too. It's like keeping your authenticity but still for sure. And then and then it's Lauren Hill, you know what I'm saying, So not that I'm so good. Then it's Lauren Hill. So it's like but then of course you know people wasn't ready for the transition. And now and now you're on tour with Mary J. Blige,

Nigga's out there out there's stepping on ship. Yeah there doing it Like like is that what you're at in life? Because you know we're here, we read all you know the about the stock and everything you got is like when you come out as there's things that you want to do. You know what I'm saying, because I feel like you wanted to do the tour, like I feel like, yeah, there's a lot of things you can say no to. Yeah.

We've been talking about it for a while. So after New Year's I've seen her and we's all hanging out and um, I said, Yo, do you want tour this? Yeah? She was like, Yo, yeah, let's do it. So I was like, wait, wait a time out. That's how y'all said it. Y're just somewhere said it's easy. I heard her up, I leave friends like you now let's make that. Yeah. Yeah called. I said, Yo, you want to do this tour? She's like, let's do it. Let's do it, and she

was serious about it. So it was just a great time. And your first date was Miami. Yeah, West Palm, West Palm and the show was crazy. Bro. Yeah yeah. Shout out to Mary. She's she's honored to be on tour with her man her from What's the four one one for Gan Pouba. She's always been at hip hop queen, you know what I mean. So it's like queen of pop soul, you know. So that's a sister. That's a sister. Before we move on, I want to say welcome on. My brother do was man, I miss you man. You know, um,

you know, I'm welcome home. My brother got damn okay. But but when you said, when you said hip hop is dead, how many like dms you got from the young niggas? You know what I'm saying, Like it was to kill me, man, because what you were saying was explain to what you people you're saying it's dead. I was just because we didn't have no control. And it's like, you know a lot of people took offense to it that I didn't think it was gonna take offense. I'm

talking about, let's wake up and take control. As soon as we put out a record, there's some political or some religious or whoever leader in the community that's trying to build a name off you and start to protest your record. As soon as you try to build your company or trying to be independent all the labels, you run into trouble, you know. So it was it was so many people in control of where this thing was going.

And it's like I thought, we's had a great time to turn this aroundt didn't control it basically, not like not like what happened, not like what's going on today. You know what I'm saying. And also, you know, um, I probably thought a few a few people could have stopped making records. I probably thought you couldn't even say something about noise one time. That's not that's not hire. I was dead. That's this was family ship. That's what's

mad about something. Stay here Because at the time when you said that he was living in Atlanta, Yeah, out of cribb in Atlanta, crib and McDonough, Georgia. Okay, but that's who took an offense to it, right, man, Atlanta took offense because because Little had a shirt that hip Hop and Die lives in the South man. So I felt, you know, I did that, but they know, so I felt like I felt like, damn, it's it's not really I didn't get the point off right because the wrong people.

I wasn't attacking Louda and my guys. No, no, it wasn't the case. It was just like tell you true. I forgot why I said it. But essentially it was so long ago. It's something pissed me off. Something pissed me off. Essentially, the breakdancing, the graffiti that's what you mean, right to breakdance and the graffiti culture. It was. It was all of this stuff that even today, a lot of people don't care about it, and I like to.

I like to care about it, Like I like what you say about when the show starts, like give them their roses while you could smell them. A lot of people don't realize the great history here. That's that's that's why we're trying to well, that's why we are building a hip hop museum and the Bronx, you know what I'm saying, because it should have been here, It should have been should have been this way over due. We're

building one here because it'll be great. Because sometimes the kids don't see why they shouldn't go far, go that far back to to listen to some ship, you know, but if you go back there, you might discover some new ship that you could be doing. You know what I'm saying. Like I looked at them old dudes, or I don't want to call them old, but the pioneers,

and I learned from them. I learned from them, and so it's like it's important that the kids today know how important they are to this whole thing too, you know. You know, one of the one of the one of my favorite days of my life was. We was in Massive Hill office and because I had thought Rock Kim and Eric B was toring, idn't. I didn't know that because I see rock Him, but I see Eric B by itself. I didn't know that Eric being Rock Kim.

I hadn't been together so long. So he said to me, you said your Nori, you want to go to the Eric B and Rock Kim show. And I was like leaving it up to me now, yeah, and then we went there. So this is this is the favorite part of my time, as as all the accolades you got as much as you know, you can say, you the man. I saw you sit there and pay homage to Rock Him. It was the best day of my life. Bro. It was best just to see you humble, you like like

you were sitting there. And then Rock Him started to do like two or three records that I never heard of. I thought I was the biggest Rock Him fan. And I watched SNAs you knew every word I love. I said, this is why I sneak as the king of hip hop? Can you remember that day? That was a great day. That was a great day. I got my big change. I just got my big change. The first day heavy. So you're really a student of the game of hip hop. I love it. I think I am. Ok you too, though,

yes I am too. But now now my throat because we all up their age, So my throat something at all of us. What are you listening to right now? A new new nigga nas niggak. There's a lot of Dirk snigger, a little dirt, okay, a little Dirk, A little Dirk. He just came home, right, he just came home with the baby. The baby, the baby, the baby and his little baby. Now, no white gotta be someone new old Dreamville joint, Dreamville joint. Oh, Jay Cole, that's accomplished.

The revenge of thevenge. What's that called? Don't because the niggas got ball homie reason from TVs problem. That's what you're listening to? Dirk a little bit? Yeah, the baby, um little baby or the baby, both of them. Okay, that's hard. That's that's forget. That was that was That was old Bam My answer right there, that was that was that was um who for sure? For sure Davies for sure family in retrospect um, like I have to say it like that, but always people always say you

the second coming of rock him. I feel like Davis is the second coming of Nos or he's just his pause, his own coming up coming. You know, I don't know you know what I mean, but you know what I mean. Um, I think I think Davis is the first Davies Todd. Yeah, that's hard because sometimes that name and it would be feeling like some people don't like that. So I would be honored for somebody to call him that personally. But

he's his own man for sure. Have you have you ever seen somebody never mind you of you like like like you know what I'm saying, Like you know, everybody bite your style and ship um like like they you said, holy shit, Uh Loupe fraz Loupe or season Loupe. You know it's two different loops now now Karatele baby Charibe is hard, Yeah, both for them, both for them. Loupe, No,

that's my nigger. I got love for Loupe. I just still want him to apologize to trim Core question from that day when he came out there and he messed them cute tip lyrics. Remember, I just wanted to say, I'm sorry, that's it. So I'll be on Loupe's athlete. You know, I love him as a brother and as a fan. But you know he went out on Tropical Quest. You don't remember it was a tribute to Tripic Core Quest. That's it. I love Loupe like clear. I just want to want to show coming up too. Oh all right?

Yeah you so you don't even knowing what you know? You ever throw a hip hop? Like? I know? I know this is like a cliche type of question. You ever throw a hip hop? Really best? I always wanted to be. I can't. I can't say that. Um, I thought that your own wings chap, Yes it is, you can have that, NAS's yes, it's not. Oh oh god, we didn't have to ask you. Oh God, it's chance, baby, Yes we have to ask you. God, damn the God. And see what you say. Don't matter what you would

you like that? Would you like a shot? Nas anything? You're doing what you want. Okay, let's let's do a shot. We ain't gonna say what shot we doing? Um, it's not a wingstop, by the way, man, shout the wingstop who provided us some wings to shut out the cherry. That's best by bestos bests. Ain't gone be so mad? Advertisement talk about rich found niggers. Stop stop, stop about this episode about you, brother. This episode is I'll do

so you know what I want to do. The Queen's get the money, but you know I want to big up too who I feel like don't get as much props, and I feel like it's one of the best executives ever in the world. And I know no one's not gonna know. Horm about to say right now, Jungle. No, that's that's one of my favorite I tell him that, and we've always been when I say it, so he think I'm playing, but I'm like a jungle. You're my favorite executive. Like because he was hood, he knew exactly

what to do. Like do you remember we made Body in the Truck. I can't forget that. I can't you know wait how wait you mean the way we came up with it was it was it was it was jungle, It was Jungle. But before we get into that, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you a crazier story. One day were in at the studio, me you and It's Nature Session. So Me and You was both for

Nature Session and NASA. It's it's the song. It winded up being called you with threat, but me and You're in the studio and Nate just said so track master tone, track masters, period plays the record, and Nation said you're gonna take this ship. I'm gonna go home, and me and you just looked at each other and as soon as nature rolled out and you just bodied the whole reord. You don't remember that there at first it was just me and you. You remember he came back, and then

he came back. Then we was found niggas throwing it out this so your drive, it was your drive though, was like nothing I've never seen drinking motivated me. Thank you somewhere like with you, and I'm like, if I stand next to Homie, we're gonna make some real records. So it was your drive, bro, and your vision, bro.

So it was just riding with you man. Thank you, my brother, Thank you, because I don't know if I ever told you this, but if it wasn't for I'm leaving, I don't think I would have had a solo career. And I don't know if you remember, but you guys started recalling the Firm album in Miami and you're supposed to give me a flight and I never got that flight. But you gotta you gotta relax, You can't blame. You gotta shut up and just wait for your hunger. And

then one day Jungle called me. It's like, you've been in l A. And I was like, nick I made l A, l A. I don't want to go to l A. They're like, this is the only holl let we need you on the Firm album. And I flew out there and you know who the fund is the engineer, Dr fucking dre My bro. The only time it's been the room with Dr Dre's because you asked that. But I want to go there for a second. The Firm album, what was the vision to even create the Firm? And we need a new firm. But that's it up I

needed I needed uh my niggers, you know. Um I was dolo really so you need to squat up because everybody was squatting up. So it's only right. Um you had Junior Mafia, you know, you had um even you know wood Tag. It's a lot of them, death rows, a lot of them, you know. So I had to squat up right here, and let's I want to want to record reflect because all of people throught up in the air, who put on Foxy Brown, she was signed to you. Nah no she no, No, I lost the bet. No, Well,

can I retract the question. Let's bring up you know um A Z introduced me to Foxy. He said, I got a girl. I gotta girl that's called I'm like, nah, when it's not gonna happen, they this girl Kim, It's there's no there's nothing we can do to get anybody to go. So Kim was out already before you met Foxy. Yeah, I lost another back. Gay continues if it felt like y'all were creating the firm on mix tapes. I mean I might be completely wrong, but that's the way it felt.

I could answer that, but I'm let him answer it. Just doing joint on mix tape, it just felt like the firm was being created before our very eyes a mix tapes. We we did mix tapes with DJ Clue. We started doing stuff to promote the albums. So yeah, we started doing that and that became the thing. So we were using that. DJ Clue was our key to the streets, and we just started doing a lot of mix tape stuff because we couldn't wait for the albums

to come out. Yeah, but but A introduced me to Foxy and I met her and I'm like, oh, she's a beautiful, beautiful sister. She got bars, Oh she's gonna win. So once they saw that I was invested, Um, everybody just just went crazy and we were flying up Me, Foxy and Um, flying floor to our l A to talk to Jimmy Ivy to get it, try to get her deal. No. I already had kicked it with Dre

my first album. He came to one of my shows and he was like, Yo, we gotta work together and at the Grand Slam Princess Club in l A. And yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, so so but yeah, but we were flying around shopping, shopping with trying to try to get involved. But at the end I saw she was already up and she was already on her way, so I stepped back and let it go. So um and then and then so the firm forms. Yeah you figure you figure, uh it comes out and then Dr Dre says this

one line. He says some some ship or the firm flopped. Everybody's saying I turn pop or the firm flop. Y'all are the reason Dre ain't getting no sleep. So funck y'all so so so were you at in your mind frame like at that time? I mean, the expectations of East Coast dudes rocking with Dr Dre at the time was a lot, you know, and um, so it did platinum and if it didn't do three or four platinum. When Platinumney got gold black. Yeah, I'm gonna go to you.

Never got that. I didn't. I didn't get to my own. I would have my own. I had no idea that its actually been platinum. I'm now about to go out to give you your platinum. Sure, So so what's your what if you had and I needed you on that album? Yeah? You was our guy, and talking like that, I'm thinking, got a fact I felt. I felt that now I'm leaving songs I'm leaving don't want to I'm leaving was the song that really was our presence in the streets

in New York. That was the only song off the album that went crazy on mixed shows at night, was this, so that talk Now, they didn't hit this and at first some of the some of the people was like, you know, you're bringing too many queens guys into the fact. It's chill. You know, why are you bringing them in that talks and I said, now he got to be on the joint. So yeah, because they was acting like the production was too big for us. Firm bit single.

We had InVogue singers and their cars flying off the roof and the ship he he leveled it and that was just our vision. Also just knowing that he's the one that's coming, so that talk, that's real ship. But that man, I don't know what they're single, but we're still gone. We're still gone. We're still but they're singing in a little bit. I don't know what they're singling. It's like they like the plane coming in right now. They're going like this, But we're gonna still go because

you're the king. M c Okay, now we're here. So if you had if you had one album, we gotta do a shot. We don't even do shots. This is terrible. This is we're not We're not. We're not this new shots with everybody. You can pick your poison. We don't have to say what it is. You you pick it off camera, pick it off cameras. I'm head to Henny you right then we're gonna hit the Hendy. Then do you want to hit the any exod. I'm not gonna lie. Let me tell you something, Nas, you're the only nigger

that can make me drink hennessy. You know, last time I drank hennessy, I woke up in flatbus and like flat bus, we're going flat buys. I'm like, why am I here like this? The old flatbus, not the new flatbus, not the new flat buys, the old flat buys. So god damn, alright, we're gonna do Henny. Listen, listen, let's listen now out here. This is beautifu for me. I'm keeping it real. I'm keeping it now. Let's keep it real. Let me tell you something. I have so many fights

before Illmatic came out and well Made came out. I ain't gonna lie. I had at least two weeks I didn't fight, wow, because niggas was like your queens. Niggas got it. Wow. Why everybody always why they always trying to bully queens? Man? No, No, I ain't gonna lie. Listen to caress you made a lot of killers. I told them you made a lot of killers because that queens ship was not funny. Man, It's not funny. So

a little but you know what, Allmatic little brother. So now if you want you to know, we don't want you to go away to have to tell you that we love you. We don't want to have to you go away. It's something happening to tell you that you appreciate it. Here right now, your flowers is deserved. Now we know you got all accolades, but you know what, every now and then we gotta say thank you because you know, if it wasn't for Illmatic, there won't be

no norry. And that's a real ship. You know what my em C name was before all Matic, m C y'all who with the ball to beam? I wouldn't have worked. No, I wouldn't have worked. People didn't work. I needed this. I needed how you can make up these words? That's all about itself. Uage. You gotta trade all your crazy show. I'm gonna tell you so funny ship with y'all one day, yo.

I don't I don't know if you had the Northern cavan, I believe, and your came and you picked me up, and me and this nigga both didn't know how to roll weed. You remember that I was. I ain't gonna lie. I'm keeping a hunt. You're gonna look at me different. But for like two weeks, I was nas weed roll up like that was my dog, like it was cool. I was just like, all right, cool. He came up and I bowed up, and that's when we do. We're gonna flushing metal. And we did not have a driver's license,

none of I still don't gotta drive. You gotta drives. I got him out a few years ago. You're not driving. Let's see and tell me what the fun the reason? No driving license? Thinkers and Jungle still smoking bogies? Still he still smoking both. You're gonna get Jungle to stop smoking bogies and I'm gonna get the drivers, like, please, let's do that. So your favorite error in hip hop? Even, let's do one more shot? I mean I'm into that. You don't have to if you don't want to. I'm

with you. Your favorite error in hip hop? If you have to pick one error, one error, run errowt be honest because I put them in the order. You Oh ship run DMC fat boys. Um that ship was magical to me, man, that ship was magical? Is your favorite? The early the early eighties, the early eighties, Um, cougie not coushie wrap but like before Coushi rap um llo coo Jay's original I need to be because the words he was using, he had to go to the dictionary

and I was like, okay, it's real. And then he dropped, um that I need the rock the Bells, the new one that we all know today. That was crazy. So so that error right there was like him and mc shan was like, um, it was real crazy because I walked to the record store and by the record so, um, that was crazy to me. That's number one. That's number one. Some of the illest um things that I ever mentioned on Drink Champs was I told a person that if you want to study hip hop, I think you should

start from all Mattic and then go backwards. Remember I said that, So at first I thought everybody was gonna like, that's blasphemy. Ironically, it's only a couple of people who said it was blast but everybody because the thing about it is, and this is all due respect to our forefathers, it really wasn't saying champagne and getting pussy in, you know what I'm saying, Like, sometimes that's what we need to relate to to get us in. Like the Donald's

Gones book. So I say that, like, if you study illmatic and then go to to cool her reverse engineer reverse engineering, and ironically only had two people who disagree with me, that's ill. That's ill. It's crazy, that's crazy. He just look at me. That's that's very crazy. I'm a fan of the show. And I saw you guys interview Caress one and he said some words that humble me down to the to the floor and we talk about yes, sir, and I love the conversation you had.

You told him that he created a lot of killers and queens that should But just to bring him on this show and talk about out the art of it, it's like, it's like, that's what I love to see. So I don't know why I brought that up, because he was talking about and then going back and you want another show? I feel like you want one more. I'm just like, that's it. It's no, you know, I

really I really appreciate you, though. My brother. Let me just tell you something, man, in a lot of ways, your birth career because of the album you made, and I followed this suit you birth Mark Deep and Mark Deep kind of birth CNN, and I will always do that so when you got on the Lost tapes. On the Lost Tapes, you actually got a tribute to Prodigy. Yes, yes, breech politics. It's about it's Queens Ridge politics, but it's love to him and I do a little more. Man,

come on, come ain't front. You're like violating me, man, give me, give me, come on, man, you're like disrespecting me in front of all these people. Man, I'm a man. I'm a man out here, nig So, Um, I'm sorry. I sorry. I had a side, not that I thought it was just me here. So you gotta join Queen's Bridge politics. Now, this is because the thing about Lost tapes is taped through different periods. So was that old

record that was that was last year? What I did that? Yeah? Wow, you talked about the memorial, the mural and yeah yeah that was last year. Um. I never I never thought we'd lose p right, and he lost them too soon. They rest in peace. He um. Yes, we can make noise for that. Yeah, you know, he um. It's hard to get into it because he's not here, right, you know. So it's a lot of things that went on that I wish never happened, so that you even say I

wish you never wrote that book. In the rhyme, he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was You never know why people do certain things, you know, So I think he was probably going through a lot of pain. But the politics of every hood, you know how it is, the politics of every hood

is what it is. So if I would have finished that song, if I would really have been four or five minutes long, to really get into a lot of the history that that I that I watched growing up, a lot of people that taught me a lot I would have to get into. Yeah, God damn it, man, I see this shot. Got damn it, God damn it. You take a Hennessy, man, take a Hennessy got I got damn Yeah, she got real, she got real, she got rem she got real. It's only for this NI

And it's an ex so ain't I ain't? So? Like, as a kid, you've growing up loving Hennessey, Do you realize you got a fucking job? You got a Hennessy deal? Like that's crazy deal, Like you got Hennessey and like you you can't tell them that, like to put me off the black list? You said, Nike, Yeah what you mean? Yeah, they put you on the black list on the black list, can you help me? I'll have a Nike. You gotta Nike, you something. I'll watch you on Instagram. You got like everything.

Please can't you tell them? Because I ain't tell them. Please give me on the black list? I can do that. Do you think do you think there's something called black balled? Because you know, like remember when the firm actually dispersed, right and it came time for NASTI standing on his own. I remember almost each of every member like actually accusing maybe you or the industry of that black balling him. I'm black balled. Do you think that exists? A black

balling exists? Do you think that where? Is it something that organized? It's really basically people just saying, don't sunk with that person. Do you think it's more organized than that? Um? No, I don't think it's that deep. Um I don't. I don't think it's that deep. I mean, what what is black balling? Like? If if somebody says they're gonna black ball you, you're gonna let them black ball meeting. So

I don't really care about it. So I'm sure people people tell me all the time, you know, they try to black ball you. Sign they try to. I don't FaZe me because I'm not letting nobody stop me. So people probably try to pull the rug from under my feet a couple of times. People trying to pull a rug on everybody's feet. If you let them stop you, you ain't built for this game. Goddamn serious because so

so low statee suit. You have a party recently at Massive Hill office, and you said you have enough for three and four. I do, damn nigga, it's you got records? Yeah, not like three and four do. Come on, let's go. It's go on, smell you, let's go. You got three and four and besides your normal albums, I got yeah, I do with some big artists features and I can drop another one with features because this one, the two I kept it no features. The next one production definitely.

I got love to all of those guys on man, but there's nobody really, there's nobody rapping with me. But the next one, the features are crazy on part three. Yeah, Okay, let me ask you one question. Is there anybody that said no the nis like, is there anybody because I feel like you can think about Jesus, I'm just throwing it out there, like yours basically here. Yeah, I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. I'm what I'm saying. Anybody ever said no, like like yo, I ain't working with you or not they ain't working with you, like they didn't call back Carlos Santana something I don't know, like somebody weird. Come on now, pick somebody weird. Don't do that, say Joe Rules. I'm gonna be faking upset like I'm just playing now. I'm sorry. I want one right now. I didn't. I didn't ask for a lot of I didn't really ask

for a lot to be turned down. Um, there's certain people I won't dead call because I just know they're not gonna probably do it. Like wh who you? Who you winn call? I want to know this. I've seen you Flix with Madonna, Nigga, so I know you went there, Nigga. Come on, let's go there, let's go there. So who who are you going? So? Who would who would not be nervous to call? I want to notice that. I want to think, uh, because you said it in your rhynd. You got naked pictures of God? So like no, I

don't know, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. They go, there's no one like you gotta call God, you got you gotta God text message like that and say, yo, y'all is I too? So no one's never front on. You never wanted to feature that. You never got shot at. Somebody. Somebody had to say, no, I can't baby shot. I don't probably be heard. Yeah, I'm not saying this coming right now. I go, I don't think I called her for a record, and I don't think I've a called

her for I got it. Okay, brents ho, let's take it over. We're gonna edit that. We that say I got it again, I got it, I got on. Who is it? Princes Peace? Prince? As soon as you said prince, everything got purple to me right here. I'm just a couple, Okay. I didn't hate the story. Now, um did he answer the phone? Because I felt like he answered like hello. Michael Jackson was low, like hello. Okay. I saw it him because he came to my UM I AM album

released party and no, Princess Prince. So was he flowing? He was Okay, he was what he was, and he had this bad joint with him and I was like yo to the chick from the last dragon vanity, like in my mind and my mind, just let's just keep the story like that. Now, it's keep going. He was with the chicken. He walked in with Avaloni. Let's take it from there. That's my own story, your your life. Let's go. I can't now I was one of them. It's one of them, and I just you know, I

said it. I said it. I pulled the Nory move. I said, yo, look man, look, you know, let's do this. Let's do this ang And he was like, you know, do you own your master's away? That's but he blew my ship because I was like, I don't and I'm far from it because this labeled about four or five albums, so I was like, damn, drop to jewel to jewel. He he kind of helped me see the future and he was like, when you're own your master's give me arrange. Everybody thought he was crazy the way he was doing

it with his master. They thought he was crazy. Slow clapp slow claps. Slow clap is different. That's when you're like, that's hard. But but we um, we kicked it a few times. We got cool. He was he was he very cool dude to me. He invited me on stage and before him, I was like, I can't go out there, you know, like like I didn't go because you know, you know, Prince might have had his ass out. It's different Differry Prince. It's like, you know, I understand, I understand, man,

that's that's one of the gods man Prince. Yeah, but yeah, um he I think everybody went to work with him. So the pressure that he had from everybody, what he turned Michael Jackson down, the pressure he had for people want to work with him, it's crazy. Yeah, so who hold up? Damn Oh, we love Prince stories on it didn't have it give us a Prince story was having said he made the beat Coprins. Okay, but straight you went to Wyoming, like and you worked with Kanye. You

didn't work with the regular Kanye. You work with Maga hat Kanye. Did you know it at that point? Did you? Did you talking about that? You would just just like, you know what, let me let this nig be crazy. Yeah, I took it too far. I went to still genius. Man, we still love him. I want to be from them right now, like take a beat, but I'm gonna te him take the hat off, nig. I'm sorry. So so he called me and he's like we always talked about him producing my album. So I'm like, he's like, you

ready to this is this album? I was like, Yeah, let's just do this album. So it's all right, Cool, We're gonna figure out the schedule. Um. Once we figured out schedule, before we started working, he wanted to announce the album. And that's not cool because that makes us. It puts the pressure on, makes us have to deliver the album the next days when h the Trump thing when crazy? So my phone's ringing, yo, Wayne, because go

to the other way. That was tough. That was tough, because you know why you like you like the hood Savior. I don't know if you you ever accepted this pressure. But whatever nas do we do? If NAS rocking Nike, we rock Nike. Naas rock Slilke shirts were rock silk shirts. If NAS get a half moon in the park, nick I just stopped getting a half in the park. Come on, come on, you still over there, half moon? So whatever

you do, we do. So if I'm just curious, like ya ever even had that talk or you just like you know what, let the music like, it's like me and for real, I don't. We're not getting a studio with real. I don't talk about ship. It's about music. I don't talk about subways, publics when Dixie Pigley Wiggily, none of that ship with that nigger. We just just chick stick with music. That's all. We got to pretty combination,

you know. But so did you even like talk about that because all you just like sucking stick with the music. Who's that Kanye with the Magna hat? Did he kep? In my mind, he didn't come into the Maga hat right even from Queen's rizns you gotta step it up? Yeah? That was that was That was some ship because um, you know he got his uh, he got his ways of thinking and doing things. You know, that's what's sweat he is like nowadays it's called trolling. Do you you

know what? You know what trolling means? I know you're rich, but you know what trolling means, like like trolling is like to do something to Yeah, it's a lot. This is retro. This is retrostro I would say that Kanye is a retro. I think that Kanye is a troll. You understand what you're trying to say? The things that his way I don't do ship like that. He's he's he's a genius at what he does. He pisses people off, but he's a good brother. I'm a real good brother.

I'll take another shot. Um, come on, come on, Mr Lee, now your investment because I don't. I don't want take a different with my father team. It's about loss takes two, so I want to get into that. But i'm your investments. Um ring, Yeah, I got that at my door right now. That's a fact. I use your investments. Um what else is here? Part of uh uh? Box lifting? My son got hip to lift right now? Come on, I just heard your saying shots and up. But how how did

you What was the anthony? So I always say that you know, dyslexic, dyslexic. You know I'm probably be dyslexic. Like at this point, just let me just rote. But what was it that said, you know what, I'm gonna start doing investments. I wanted to do that from watching TV as a kid. I wanted to I wanted to be a businessman when I was a kid, Like I wanted the office and a briefcase and in a suit, and and I wanted to connect dots. I wanted to make big things happen. I wanted to see things happen.

I always wanted to be that, you know, you know, life takes you in another direction and you're going to music and then after a while comes back around. He's like, all right, I got timed down before I didn't have no time. I got time now. So it's like something like the kid on the internet. I got time today because I got time today. You always tell you something it's it's the same as you though, you know, like it's the same as you. You're a businessman. No, no,

I ain't gonna lie. Nos, I follow you like I'm gonna be honest. Um. I wondered that that should hit me there in a different way, that should hit different. That's it different, goddamnit. So who it's still hit me. All right, hold on, let me let me get my life together. Wait for one moment, so I'm not gonna lie. You're seeing you transition and like becoming the full fledged

businessman that you are. It's so inspiring. It's so like inspirational because I remember, like me, you and Jungle just you know, sitting there in Justin's and eating fried fried chicken and just like talking about it. And I'm gonna tell you something that I know you don't remember or you maybe you have. I filmed you in jungle and um, we we're talking about this backpack kid hop at the time, and we all hated back back hip the time. I

won't say what it was, who it was. I don't say who it was, but you know what you told me? What what's that you said? Your one day they're gonna pay you for for your conversation. You are nostro dumis That's what you told me. But it's your gift. That's that's your gift. Your word play is crazy, bro, That's

why your flow is crazy. That's why what you yeah, what I'm telling you when when you know, I remember I met you and also in dn D studio and you came to meet me and you told me what was going on in your business and what you wanted to go on and and and the whole contin his whole in R E. R. We was there for that, like we got you, let's go. And so anybody that want to complain and say somebody's holding me back, this is this is proof. We were proof no one can

hold what's destined to be nobody. So what you did was what I did. We got here, we came, we saw, we conquered. Anything else, it's bullshit because I know when you was getting at with that. No, not because you know, I see so many people, because I mean all of us as rapp us. We have people who we want to bring and bring with us, for sure, but then there's certain people that don't want to work, but they

think that they still deserve to be there. So the thing is, you just gotta just put it in yourself. So I followed your footsteps, you know what I'm saying, And I followed what you was doing. So you know what, man, we got any more questions? I mean, I want to keep talking about how you was going. I want to do body in the trunk. I just think that it's important for people to understand, like the evolution of how

we can diversified ourselves. But other things like you said, we're doing podcasting, Um, you're doing the enough announced this massive pill deal too, that I should go right. You just announced it right now. In case you don't know, every time you hear drink chance that ship is gonna be on massive Pill. Make some boddamn yo family such a beautiful energy. Yes, good energy, and we want you to know. Now, let me tell you something. Let me

tell you something. Listen, just because we down with massive pill or whatever, you sell you the biggest artist, one of the biggest artists in the world to me, the biggest artists in the world. Because I'm pleased and yeah to me, I say that. And you could have you could have went anywhere, but you came to us, and I'm pause, Um, I really, I really appreciated that. Now because a lot of people don't know. They're thinking that

we just did this. Now. You showed up to our main headquarters in Miami like you're seriously on the first Yes, the first day of the tour. Yes, I gotta come see my guys. I never did it before. It's family time at the time, it couldn't have been better. Like I said, I'm a fan of the show. I love what you guys do. I think there's no show like this in the game. It's pure, it's right, and he's drinking. It's it's a brand slam. It's beautiful. So I couldn't wait to be on the show. I saw Steve shout

on the show. He's crazy. I ask you about that. Yeah, care arrest one I saw Oh man, it was daddy came with Yeah, so so you know, keep doing your thing. Yeah. I just want to thank you so much because you're you're not your whole letting out here. You know they'd be like ninol go out here with the whole baby. Yeah wait wait, let's be real though, good though you got lost tapes to You're gonna have with you drink

Champs with Nas Part two in Miami. I just want to say, because you know what, you know what, it's so perfect, you know what, I could go in, I could go in for six hours, but I'm gonna man, I can't believe it's going pooked. Yeah. Yeah, you got to celebrate. We gotta celebrate with you. So yeah, celebration once again. I just want to say thank you. You know what I'm saying because at the end of the day, certain people don't have to do what they got to

do to keep hip hop going. Like you're at a level where you can say, you know what I can say on Wall Street, You're still here. You're still making business benches with niggers like us just trying to get apartment and I'm coming right, Yeah, come on but I'm coming there. But and I just want to thank you because in case you don't know what you mean the hip hop, if it wasn't for Nas, it wouldn't be a whole genre of music. It wouldn't be a mob deek,

there wouldn't be a component in oriega. There wouldn't be a the Locks. There wouldn't be there. It's a lot of people that you birthed with that drug dealer, real nigga rat that that I know. I know. I know you're humble, your burger of Stember sixty set, so I know you don't all right now, So body in the trunk? Do you remember how he made Body in the trunk? All right? Hell yeah, I don't want you. We used to hang a lot. We used to hang a lot a lot. Used to take me to seafood place. He

always had a style about him. He could be in the hood, but he knew how us spin niggers and then we go through the fly ships. So yes, so body the trunk, Yeah, that was us in the studio. Just just want to make records. This I'm gonna be honest. This is what you said to me. Because we had had like seven records at the time. And I don't know if y'all know, but none of your niggers in this room was lucky enough to have seven records with nos I, so relax. I had seven So and now

I said, yo, let's do a concept record. So the whole time we're driving, right, I ain't gonna I got out of controls okay, So as me driving to the see you, You and the Hit Factor we already but I'm with Jungle and the Chapelle. So they keep they keep battling each other, gets somebody in the trunk, y'all, somebody in the trump and then they just so I walk in the studio with you, and I'm like, yo, um, let's do a concept record. I was like, all right, cool,

and we started thinking of concepts. I went to the bathroom. They still the bullshit, I said. I came back in. I said, did you hear what they're talking about? You're like, nah, I said, Yo, he keeps talking about the body of the trunk. He was like, that's perfect for the concept. Yo, that's my ship. That's that's my ship right there. That

show is crazy. No, that was a crazy joint because it was like you had to like a movie part and then that had the sound effects and to beat the stupid beat, go dumb, y'all should make a movie right now, that motherfucker. But I got the Jungle all the time. He I hear him talking that ship turned on a song. It's like, oh ship id be later he getting little ripped. I ain't getting paid for that song,

pub That's not true. I paid them for the whole motherfucking executive producing because you know what, And I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. I owe Jungle more. I owe you more because you know what as a friend, as a like, as a friend dude in the game. What happened was I took that whole album on my own and y'all didn't. I didn't take over, but you came over and just let me know you did your thing. He was helping me with the spices over here and

over here. And I can't never thank you, incredible, bro. You couldn't do that. Thank everybody can't do what you do. Bro. Thank you. My Brother's what it is. So listen everybody, before before we get out of here, we also got a big up. Not only are we gonna break news massive peal, Yes, title in the building with us too. V. Let me just say something. Let me say something to the people. You ran a play right there when we say something to the people real quick. Good friend of

mine named Peter for Massive Pill. Pete said to me, and I don't even think he knows he said this to me, but he, I mean knows that this was a heavy weighing on us. We had a heavy deal with our Heart radio. I don't get too crazy details crazy, all right, I gotta relax, you gotta relax. I see people way, chill, all right, chill, nick. I know what I'm doing. But Peter said something crazy to me. It was in Bahamas, and he said, our heart ain't gonna

get y'all. You're gonna do something crazy and our heart ain't gonna be there. And as wild as that ship sound, it was very simple. We know we say wild ship. We know that any other show can be censored and can be tamed. We know this. So instead of our Heart,

he chose motherfucking mass of pill. And I want to I wanted to record this show that because I know Peter didn't know what he said when he said that, Because he said he said, he said that ship to me and said it so nonchalantly, but it made so much sense because because the thing about it is, I want everybody listen to this, not because I'm ill. People, because I'm ill. Go where you appreciate it, Go when you celebrate it. I'm going when you tolerated like I'd

rather be with my people. Like I never had business, I never I never had dreams of doing business with Warren Buffett or Steve Jobs or things like that. My thing was, I want to do business with puff Daddy. I want to do business with nads. I want to do business with a whole because that's who I look up to and that's who I can see myself becoming. So no disrespect. But why go to Spotify? Why I don't got that guy's number? I don't even know who's

Mr Spotify? Who is that name? Hold on, hold on on, and let me tell you there's nothing more hip hop. Did I kill that? I killed that. There's nothing more hip hop than to say, I say a Cuban kid from Miami. That's right. I tuck that ship. It's sitting at the table with legends, nonetheless, and then we can announce a monumental deal in hip hop revote and massive palms and on that note, nas nas, thank you so much.

I want to thank the massive pill staff draft to add to Peter, so damn so many of them all. I forgot the London girl. Forgot her name? What's her name? What's her name? The London girl to accent the publicist. Okay, I'm a big up to the title little big up to a revote, robbing and every everybody, Yo, Na you do ro think a drop drop? I know, I know, I know, I get drop