Episode 166 w/ Kareem "Biggs" Burke

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motherfucker's still out here kicking ass. He looks like he's motherfucking twenty four years old, you know what I'm saying. And motherfucking incredible hawk shape and all this type of ship and if you don't know what I'm talking about, my motherfucking homeboy big Burg. Now one of the one of the things that struck me very earlier. You was involved, you're involved with this movie O G. That's that's that's yeah,

that was incredible, right, Hold hold on, y'all. We're gonna act like it's already out because by the times to the movie O G came out. You know what I'm saying, HBO correct? Okay, okay, are so, so what was the first one? O G? O G? And then it's a hard truth, the hard truth? Okay, let's let's take what O G. So. Um, obviously it's about a guy who get locked up. Now this is this is your story or no, no, it's not my story. So the script was already done and it was most of it was

already shot before I came on board. So they wanted me to executive produce it and to come on and amplify the message of the movie because I speak to that anyway about social justice, reform and UM and restoration process, the restorative process. Wow wow, so um so, so how did that process happen? Like someone just reached out or Yeah, they reached out to me, and then once I've seen a little bit of the movie, I was like, this makes total same to cut the movie. Yeah, some of

it was shot. Yeah, but Jeffrey Wright being I would say one of the best actors of our just to do the play Malcolm X, People's people people that. Yeah, he's on West World. Yeah, incredibly, People's Shaft, right, That's what I knew anything James, A couple of James Bond movies as well of Jesus okay and so so so. How so this movie that came to you, they asked you to be a part of it. You read the script and that's what convinces you. I've seen I've seen it.

They had some shots, so I was actually able to see some of the film. Okay, what's the next movie? You said, Yeah, it's a Hard Truth. So it's a part two to that. And we got the inmates actually interviewing themselves. So the difference the reason why O G is so special, other than the story and the actors. That's the only time movie has ever been shot in the prison, and over a hundred fifty of the actors are all inmates. So if we get best actor and

best supporting actor. The best supporting actor is gonna give me, which has never had. And they get paid as well. Yeah they got paid. Yeah, I mean it's a very small feed, like when they get paid in prison. They got paying. Jeffrey Wright took the same paid for his for his role as well. He wanted to get paid like the inmates. He's all was the call um better the actor. It was tough because he's playing an inmate alongside inmates. So he took it as a challenge to wow,

that's that's amazing. Now that's what the golden line. You got the fourth come on sleep pop bottle. We got the fourth for November. Fourth for November. Yeah, we launched actually coming back out in November. Of the ones It's Cold, come On, come on Together Here. I five different niggas of different generations. They all said that Mr Lea, you're in the movie. One thing is in the seventies sixties, everybody grew with Mr Lee Clear handball. So yeah, I'll

definitely play handball. I'm not called Loe to you. That was the one thing guys I was I was like, good at jail, was like I was like, yeah, I'm sorry. I was the only thing, Like I was the only black nigger that played basketball handball. Like you know, if you play hairball, you got that, you play basketball, that's it. But I was the only dude that could play ball because I was, like, fucking I'm black Hairporter Weekend. Speaking of that, what do you think of when you hear

this twenty one savage thing? You know what I'm saying? What the deportation? Deportation? Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about it, but obviously I don't know if he was born here or not, so I don't know the legality of it. But I mean I'm all for him staying here because because you your background a similar to that, right, Like I'm actually standing in Puerto Weekend, Okay, but you're from the US. Okay, I'm time of s Puerto Rico. Okay, cool, cool, damn.

But that that that struck me kind of like um, kind of like hard because but what he so he was actually born out the kind I believe he was. Suppose he outstayed his visa supposed me. Yeah, but I'm using a feeling I think gainst him, which he had expunged. That is what I had read. I would have bet two hundred thousand, like you just say a two hundred THO. He's from the UK on Atlanta, I would have bet

all on Atlanta. Yo, this guy he's ill. But yeah, God blessed because Slick Rick went through the same thing. That's very truth. So he totally forgot about I remember Slick Rick's wife when I was on radio, she was doing a whole campaign. I forgot about that. Yeah, we were able to figure that out. I don't know how they figured out. Slick Ricker was the first hip hop guy that got the port. Yeah, and French Montana just

worked your ship out like he's good. He's I think, you know, stopping were good and I messed up sound French Montanna he just got his his his ship and you think you think it's becoming harder because of Trump. I don't mean to get political, but I just we had it was right. I mean it could be. Yeah, he's got the he's at the forefront of that Trump.

We need a pardon that right word. You know. You know what I thought about Tom Kanye, we need a part for you know, the same something I thought about that. I said, that's how Trump is gonna be hip hop accepted, like he's gonna come and just release twenty one and just like I'm just saying like I'm just saying, he released him, big meach. You know, if he releases him and Patty Mason, Nika's got nothing to say, man, let

me stop. No no no, that would be a reach though, that would be that, that would be I think that prison reform, you know, with Meek is um a forming with Jay How important is that? I mean big time. I mean, we know what's happening, and all the people of color that's suffering from that, is the communities that

suffering from that. So if you've got somebody, you know, like I said earlier, to amplify our message, and somebody that looks like us, that's talking to the youth, talking to the people that's in power, saying that something needs to change, then it's you have a high higher chance to get that mess and you cross. You know, you've got j Robert Krass, the owner of seventy six is Meek at the forefront of but it's really Meek sting. They're just supporting them. That's that's um Um. I'd like

to see that. I'd like to see the growth in in the youth I'd like to see him hanging out with Robert Kraft like that a lot. Meek has grown a lot. Man made a matter of conversation other than him telling that you know, he just made twenty million or seven months. You know, you know what I'm telling me about what what he's doing, Uh, you know for the for the communities and stuff, because he went through that.

You know, you don't want to go through an extenuating circumstance, to go through some hardship to have to come and do that. But you know you learn from that. I did, you know what I mean, I'm sure you did. Well, let's make some noise for what do you feel us necessary for our culture to continue to grow because at the end of the day, like like we said that our first interview, you guys were like the first people

that developed luxury marketing. Yeah, like me, Like you know when you put the rap on the beds them, it wasn't like you know, the E class like you know, the classes considered a low classes back then, that ship was considered Like I asked, so, how do how do you develop that type of mind state? Like like I think it came from you know, when we were kids. You know what I mean. Rather teenage and stuff always

wanted what the older kids wanted. I mean it had rather so you know, in our neighborhoods, it was always the older hustles that we looked up to, and we wanted to do what they did, but do it better. So now that we had some money, especially some legal money, we was able to put it to something that made sense. You know what up, Drink Champs, Army. It's two tho nineteen.

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let your going, let's go, let's go, let's go. Yeah, let do we do? But actually, let's talk about that, because that's when I actually got introduced to this uh daily on the first time you drank it there, yeah, oh, get out of here. I thought you was far fun about the surprise, it's smooth, it's nothing if that's not to say it now because Puff actually sucked up the surprise. Oh yeah, words because when I was with him the night before, he was like, yo, what we're doing? Them?

Are we're gonna tell this to I was like, I don't know. I surprise that. I'm like, He's like, come on. That was crazy because we used to have a meeting before that. If he was it was like, you don't get a drunk, so they weren't me. It didn't happen. I was like, I was like, I'm so glad because I can't hold a surprise. But but this was the most a luxurious This was the most illest dinner. Like people really came out and show you love, Like like,

how did that feel? Like? I mean it felt good man, especially everybody going around saying something good and stuff like that. You know, I don't really celebrate my birthday. Yeah, I mean I celebrate, you know, my birthday. You know, you feel like it's your birthday. You don't really want too much. But when somebody else as you could to celebrate. So I just got used to that. We're gonna change that up. We're gonna start celebrating your mother. So you deserve it.

God damn it. Now I learned when I was in Mexico. I'm going back to the dinner, but I learned when I was in Mexico that real to kill a drinkers drink it like that they sip to killer. Because I used to always think to kill it was a setback like a drink, shot drink if you pour in the shot glass, but you can said, I mean anything, you can sit or but you go straight to the best when you do it as a shot, right, you go

straight to My birthday was it was? I was in the shot mood and the next day you did a straight to kill her too. What was that ship you had at um the mallable place? Oh mescal me. Yeah, it's like it's like tequila. Yeah it's not. No, it's not to kill us. And it's like the family, you know, but it's different, just like how this gin tequila mescal it's its own category. So let me ask you, why do you drink straight, strong fucking drinks like I guess

something this used to it. So getting back to that, to that, to that, to the dinner. It was so great, you know what I mean a lot of people in this industry. That's what drink champs about, dream champs about giving people their flowers, you know why they alive and and give it like, um, this was this was so dope. People. We were going outside and it was so crazy to see like these these billionaire people without security, like the security was going to with the Papa rosy like the

fun out up. But they were chilling like this ship was this ship was dope and and and this is your friends. You said, you told me something that was very interesting on the phone, uh, like like last one or something said, you know, this is the first time you and Papa actually spoke so all these years spoke about I spoke up actually last year, Grammy, the first time we had a conversation. And they're both from Harland. What's going on? You know? What's crazy. I mean, it's

not like I've seen him around Hall. Yeah. We had a conversation and then he had ca and back. It was like, you know, me and Bigg has never spoken. And we exchanged numbers and he was like when he when I come to l A, he was like, YO, make sure you holler at me. And I've seen him at that at the Oscar party and I didn't call him. He was like, yeah, you thought I was drunk, but you didn't call me, so you know, I mean, we

end up hooking up after that. We went to dinner and went to his crib and stuff in his office and ship. We had a good time. They had a good relationship and you know now we're now we're friends. Got damn yeah, man, But I don't know if you know, man, this it was like it was Kelly rolling right there, it's Beyonce. It was more people in the photo of the photo by itself that wasn't even happening, That wasn't like there were certain people that didn't. I thought it

was powerful by yourself. You know, that's something powerful and and and how does it feel that to know that and all actually wality if you really wanted to like make something happen, Like with something the biggest, you can actually do it like there's a lot of people. Yeah, You're right, I never thought about it like that, But I'm saying even after dinner, it was just good to see everybody around together, Ship celebrating it was it was truthfully, it was a great It was a great thing, man,

A right, that was. It was very much appreciated, especially tend tend speech ten speeches definitely figures because I killed you now one of the best stories I ever ever one of my it's too He's got two of the best stories of my life. One is when I'm the recent one I told you where I've seen him went to the jay Z concert and I just seen him looking and at first he wasn't drinking. That's what Shawn was there too, Yeah little okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, um,

and I've seen he wasn't drinking. And Jake came out and he just hit me on my shoulder and I was like, who man, you know, Biggs ain't aggressive like that, so big was hitting me man hard? Ship let me look. So I looked and he was just so happy seeing jay Z walk out on stage and to me. That's the definition of real friendship. You know what I'm saying. I don't know any of y'all listen and then y'all understand what the funk I just said. This man flew to see his homeboy. You got to see his home

on stage. It was just so happy. You know, he's getting the money over this, you know, the toy like that, But the way he was so happy, it was like you felt like you felt like like you was picking up the bag right there. And I was like, yo, that was that was a beautiful moment for me. Like just to see that there's people out here like that, you know what I'm saying, because I know where we came from and where we started from, you know what

I'm saying. And to see that it got this big, you know what I mean, to see him up there and ship and killing I mean, you know, Jay, his feet used to be planted in the middle of the stage. This nigg is running up and down a hundred feet, going up and down side by side and seeing that alongside be you know what I'm saying, doing something incredible. It was. It was It was a touching moment, man. And to see how big not only that the company, everybody that came through us, the legacy, you know, it

was like everything that came together was right there as well. Definitely, like the bag isn't always money something I talked about the relationship. It's not about the transaction. But I saw it like so sinceris like like I never had seen nothing like that in my life. Was just like sitting there. He was just so happy, and I was like, damn, I want I want my friends to be successful to you know what I'm saying, ship, Yeah, you guys gotta

step in up. Another one of my favorite stories was I remember I remember this is right before you got into the trouble or whatever, weeks ago, and you would watched every hour of Obvious in game and every game. Come on, I know, you go to the the biggest house. I hit him like, yo, I'm home. I'm like, all right, cool, I'll come up with breaking saying. Gria and I swear to going. We watched like at least nineteen our lives and games together, and then one day we went to

the club. Obviously walked right by us, and it's gonna say with something. Obviously he was like, and I don't know if I like him as a person. He's so much sense to me because just think about it, like, of course you like a person, don't mean that that's who they are in real life. So he had cut that off from the beginning, like he was like, no, I don't know, because you're you're absolutely the person that you was like on television. Can does not have to

necessarily be that that person. But now you's cool. Yeah, yeah, goddamn, it makes some noise for that man. Come on, come on, now, you already know we had we had some of the most famous battles and drinking you guys. Yeah, yeah, you gotta hear this. Oh he's just because like like he's like cool, calm and collective, but he's a fucking animal, right, He's a drink. He's a drink. Cham for sure. I don't know if it's a battle, no, it's not a battle, but in a mind he always secretly battle, I guess

because always wins. Listen and London anywhere, I'm still staying and drinking the last It's very true, it's very true. But in London it was. This is the most interesting one was in London because um, that's when you guys had armor there, correct, yeah, these guys had armadale and by the way I promoted, Remember yeah, I didn't the crime should have brought it, come on, but I'm not. So I'm supposed to bring that. So where in uh this this, this, this, this this this uh indoor indoor

pool in London. It's a house with the indoor pool. So I'm should I've never seen before. But for some reason they're like, yo, let's go, and we go. I'm told about this is shot for shot to the very last shot and then there was one last shot and then Temple took and there's one last shot and then Temple took it. And then he looked at me and he said there's no more. I said there's no more,

and he felt like open. He felt big hit me like and I was like, yeah, I didn't do this all the top of me while he doesn't do this all the time. But I was like, yeah, man, do you think, um, you think Rock and Peer would be immolated? Like? Um, I mean it's tough right now to do something, to build the build a business that big and to have everything under it be successful the way it was. I want to say that it can't happen, but it's gonna be tough. It was just a different time in space.

And when you say you like you have the liquor, you had all the executives. So you think about Eve pm who's at I C a emanual a Capital, shariatt Interscope Latres at Universal all of the Atlantic. Now she's a Capital's executive vice president. She just got bumped up. Goddamn. I got so many employees, even everybody went off to do great things. Even the family tree that was put out right, I think, who was it that trying to dispute it? But a lot of people didn't understand the

breakdown of the family tree. When id flex talking it right now, I totally forgotten. So like, do you want to explain that a little bit? Like, yeah, the family tree? Because Forbes was doing an article on me and they wanted to show a diagram of what we started and how it was a snowball effect that created all these

other different either exacts, businesses, careers, you know. So we had and it was hard because there was a lot of people before us that could have been on that tree, right Claude can't Kenny Burns, like these guys, Eric Gotti. They didn't come from rocket Feller. They were pre Rocketfeller that helped us build these companies that really couldn't fit on it because I couldn't put them under that, you know what I mean. So I just kind of put

what we did, what we started and from there. But and even with that, because it was maybe the last two days and it was last day, it was a deadline, and I think I added a couple of more things and I was just like that and put it out. So with Flex when he was talking about that, I didn't understand what he was saying, or maybe he didn't understand what was going on. So kind I think he

exputed to be like exped easily. You see a lot of people don't know how close people like if you look at street is watching, I'm the only artist outside of rocket Feller that was on the streets watching. You look at the professional I'm on it. Uh So I had a relationship. So a lot of people don't really have the movie, say property movies I started, and one of them I wasn't paid for. I was in um that day with the other ship paper. So just then, boy was like so a lot of people didn't understand

because I know when I spoke to Flex. He was like, how can Rocket Feller saying? I was like, yo, Flex, I was actually been down with him like ten years, Like I mean a lot of people didn't know it, but if you look at the album, yeah yeah, so a lot of people. But I get reflectors coming from But I just let him know, like listen that we bring up me like, yeah, incorrect, you know what I'm saying, but there's a lot of inconsistencies, but maybe he just

don't know the whole truthren right, right right. So with that being said, you we we we You ever looked at another record label, it was like you they remind me of how we used to do it, Like is this someone close to you guys? Or that really? I mean because of I mean puff was he did. He did a lot in the space that was like a little bit before y'all right, yeah, not nothing after about I'm like with U K and um yeah yeah, Q and UH and coach K is doing over there titely

T Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Yeah they're rocking over there too, so yeah t D and UH coach coaching P they're killing them right even um um Hybridge. Oh yeah, I'm Q P and M. They're killing it to Yeah, and you imagine I'm heavy your opinion. It's been a whole bunch of this talk going on in the industry, um and the world. That's frequently used as coach of voting. Yeah, what what do you? What do you?

What do your stance on a vo I never really thought about I hear the word throwing around a lot, but I never really gave a thought or what it meant or this and that. Truthfully, you know what I mean, there's so many people would have different definitions for it. Um. I mean, I don't really look at it or say this person is a part of stealing the culture or doing this to the culture, this and that. To me

the coach, it's a match culture right now. So for in order for rap or hip hop to grow and had to grow outside of it's a media base, right and for it to get that big, it's not all inclusive, right, there's skating, basketball, this sock like everybody listens to the music. That's why it grew so big. So to me, it's just mashed culture right now. So if somebody's taking advantage,

I don't think it's a color thing. It could be a black person or white person, if that's the case, to say, if they're a culture vote or not, Yeah, that's true. What do you what do you think about that word? I mean, I agree with what he's saying. I think it's just complicated, like it's just who determines who is the culture vulture, right, because I mean you have to go into that person's history where they come from. You don't know what their life entails that that makes

them a part of the culture or not. Right, that's true. I mean, it's true what you're thinking. I have no idea to tell the truth, because, um, if a person comes from outside of our culture quote unquote, and and it's just as dedicated as me, then I gotta i gotta show him some love, like as a person kind

of made me. You know. I don't want to say because I don't want to like selfish myself out and say like, well, if a person made me a certain amount of money or put me in a position, then you know, how could they be a coachable I just don't. I don't. I don't really get it. I don't really know, you know what I mean? So, um, I try to, but I'm trying to be enlightened, like to even maybe maybe people have differentiating business and culture and that's where

it gets money. Because if that's the case, you could you could be from you could be from Gagade Thrown when they're coming and doing a hip hop and that's the city, you know, being a culture more right, You know what I'm saying from different whole different cultures. I'm saying people could do dirty business moves that might be smart business moves but might hurt this individual that persons like you're a culture vulture, right, but you could be

just straight up the culture. It's not about business. You're not involved in the industry side of things. And you know that's that's the where it gets a little bit of confusing, Right. What do you feel like when because you knew early Kan yet you don't know? I don't know if you do, but I haven't seen you around crazy can yet like that too much? But I don't mean to call them crazy like that, but you know what I mean, Like, you know Magna Kanye, Um, what

do you feel about Magna Kanye? Because I mean, you knew the South side of Chicago, Kanye, You I don't know. It just seems like a lot of confusion. So I mean he admitted to having a problem, right, so he sees you, Yeah, he's bipolar and things like that. I mean, I don't agree with a lot of stuff that he's saying. All he's been doing um in the public with Trump and things like that, but I don't know what's reasoning for it. Like you said, I didn't have a conversation.

Last time I've seen him was in Paris and at Virgils at the Louis Vuitton show. So I've seen him and gave him hug, told him I loved him. He turned around and said I love you too. So I just like, look, I'm proud of you, man, I'm proud of all of this. You know, look what we did and how it trickled down to even what Virgil is doing. And that was it. That was that, you know, the

end of the conversations. You ever saw that, you ever saw that he would be in like this type of weird position where the hood love him, like we're gonna still buying sneakers, but we're like kind of like confused on how to support somebody who supports Yeah, I think a lot of people are confused, you know what I'm saying, because he's putting out different messages, so until it's something that's clear cut, it's gonna stay like that. What would you take on the super Bowl? Because I mean I

wanted to. I wanted to Watchestery tell you the truth and it was I'm not mad that that New England one. You know, it's good to see history, to be a partner. You know what I meant by that was like the entertainment part because I don't like it. Oh yeah, yeah, you don't like you? Who's the Adam Yeah yeah rox song? Though I saw that, I was like, alright, col and the double change. I didn't check people that chokers? He is that a culture? Big boy, big boy? That was?

That was okay, big boy Cuddy Brown. I wished we would to see more of that, like to give big boy that whatever man he should have might be Travis Scott have a minute clip you know what you're missing? And I've got more time than that? Was it last year the year before? I would I wanted to see more of that. And you don't get paid for the super Bowl. I just found that. I didn't know that now you don't. You don't get paid for the super Bowl. They'll take care of you, no idea. Yeah, no, I'll

take care. NFL won't pay it. Yeah, if I don't play Pepsi probably no, no, no, you don't get paid for the actually halftime show. Yeah, you know you get one more. Yeah. Yeah, it's mostly don't check this and we can't come back. Yeah. I mean listen, now, don't get me wrong. You say Pepsi. That might be, but it's not from the super Bowl. It's not because owns a half time Yeah, but it's not paid. Yeah, I

don't think so. I don't think. I think they take care and travel your head, the stage tribes, your tour bus. But you're giving you and then they they're giving you a look, so they feel like, I mean, that's what essentially, that's what That's what I heard. That's what Jane turned it down was because I definitely not one. He didn't want to do it because of Kaepernick and Jay don't do nothing for money like that. Like, if he wants to do it, he'll do it if you didn't paid

for him. And that's but I've seen him turn on a lot of ship for some big amounts. That's great. Do you ever think you ever think Jay would be at this level because now again you started for the bottom bottom bottle. Boy. No, I didn't think it would last this long. That's honest. That's like a motherfucker. You know.

We would have a good run. Yeah, at the time that the average lifespan of five years three albums back, so it was three you know what I mean if you come last that long, Remember, artists would get one single. She wouldn't even get to your next single and you out of it. But in the last when we talked to you before, didn't you say you were the one that didn't believe him Originally? Yeah, originally don't Yeah, I didn't. Um, I didn't particularly like Jay's music. It was after the

battle with DMX, but yeah, I would. I didn't want have thought that he would have lasted twenty something years and still be this relevant today versus like what's free? Yeah, that's great shot, Tom. Mostly it's about to get crazy. Yeah, man, so don't let me getting you guys have jam Right, you guys are all three partners. What was the moment where he was like, wow, this is because it's because everything was based on Jay at first as an artist, right,

and it's equal partnership sorry. It was equal partnerships with with the artists, you and Dame, with just Zing being he's the artist in equal partners What was the moment where he was like, you know what, this as an entity is going to work? Reasonable? That reasonable? That the first one? Yeah, I mean, you know we're listening to the music. You know, is when you hit the album before anybody else said it hasn't hit the word, the world hasn't heard it. But you know you're sitting on

this classic. You know what I'm saying, So you just can't wait till this ship get out. You know what I'm saying. The artists you've meant originally the sound the original yeah originally yeah, but we're just friends. But I'm saying that to make that album from that artist to he has some songs already, so like coming to Age was one of the up older songs on the album. That and uh we got the ones that like three

songs that clocked it. All the clock songs were old, old songs, I think, And I think he mentioned this, why they sho feel like that? My fellow like what then, oh yeah, that makes sense? Ship your car learning So I actually had this on the riding that blessed it up. I don't know why I can't use the go to so far, I can't get used to it. I like talking about it's a dangerous drinking brother, he said that, man, you know who else is it? Like? It's a very

dangerous faith really, Oh she's she was. She was trying to drink us on the table. I'm talking my she that recently. Yeah, I'm telling my new cameras are round. She just just drinking and drink. I'm like, yo, come on, she was drinking. She's she's vocals like that, Like I can't lay. Vocals is drunk. That ship is real. So so um, you come home from jail, people don't even like hear hear from you for like six or eight months, no one really hears from you. People hearing you all.

No one one sees you. You come out and you hit, you hit the scene everyone. Because I gotta reiterate this. I know I touched on a little bit before, but the word was Dame dash Uh. When you was away, Dame dash was going on radio stations. He's promoting. He was like, niggas ain't writing bigs and niggas ain't seeing bigs. You ever, you ever got the word that that that you felt like that, yeah, I mean him spoke about it, and I was like, I told him, I said, look,

I don't feel that way. So you telling the public that seems like it's coming from me, you know what I mean. So we had a conversation. I was like, I don't want people to think that because if I signed somebody, I don't sign them, and saying, look, if I ever go to jail, I need you to be there for me. It's a business move, you know what I'm saying. So nobody owed me anything. We paid somebody to make an album and I was it right, So

nobody owes me anything. No, no, no, it's real. But that was the That was the So what was the first reaction to when people see you coming back in the business? People see the first time was when I had a fourth November because because people don't really know who you would, I don't know if you would like Dann, I don't know you jail, I don't know, but it's not I don't think it's a good thing. Those are both my brothers. What beautiful. So from then to now,

those are both my brothers. Whether they do something, I don't agree with them. Sometimes I don't agree with my family, right, so still family. We built something together and we created history together. Nobody could take that away from us. So if somebody's doing something that I don't, I don't need Rew, I probably just not. I won't be around at that that bad energy, but it doesn't take away to love and what we built and started to get. Goddamn, that

was so smooth under it. That's a real nigga ship man. That's some real negga ship this in this day of click bait. But before you go there, I think you're talking about the cloning line still first, Okay, yes, I want to what the inspiration behind the closing November? Yes, yeah, well that was in existence already and I spoke to somebody who was doing it and I just came and financed it and became a partner. So since then, um, I acquired the whole thing and then I have new partners. Now, okay,

so you're dropping as a whole new season. Yeah in November. But back to what you're saying. When people first seen it was that and then it was at the Kanye um That's Square Garden. That was the first time I've seen Jay Kanye and um, yeah, a lot of people. Actually, how was that? It was funny because people always said, you know what's gonna happen when you see and I said where everybody had probably laugh And that's what happened. We all just started laughing before we said the work.

So we just laugh gave each other hugs and stuff. You know. We talked for a bit and then we end up listening to Kanye's music and then I've seen them coming out and he actually was like, yeah, I want to support you on the clothing line. I heard what you was doing, so he must have been paying attention. Yeah, Kanye, And then under how all Redo ninety six? Yeah, Redo, which was Rock ninety six, So that's a yeah, No, it was Rock ninety six. I just changed the redo.

But that's a luxury line and I use it as a special design unit just to collaborate on the luxury level. And you gotta like Barnies and stuff like that. Yeah, Barnies. It was in Luispia, Roman Italy and also revolved. So how how dope was it? Because I remember that pop up the first Although you said you see each other in the image, g I don't think you have two pictures correct, Me and Kane know the pictures that came out like jail no, no, no, I didn't take any

pictures like the first picture we ever saw. It was at the Problem to pop Up in l A. So how did that feel like? You know, like him just coming out of support because you know he didn't have to, you know, not, you're right. And then he hit me and he was like, Yo, I'm in Mexico or something, but I'm flying in to come to the you know,

in the pop up. So he flew in, came and then we I don't know, it seemed like a hundred bottles we popped used to spade and then we just had a good time, you know, just laughing and push. It was there, jest ski you know what I mean, a lot of family hip hop. You know, I mean to see everybody together. But that's what I wanted to do, you know what I'm saying, to bring that that that old family atmosphere back taking the whole. This is me just not knowing the Rockefeller symbolism. Is that the same

thing you're talking about? To pop up? Yeah? You know what in the so Rock ninety six was about that because we were celebrating the twenty years. But it doesn't It's not going to be just about that aesthetic. So I have reasonable doubt that's more of a merch line s Street where that speaks to more about what we created in the beginning and on our business tip. Does that ever cause any friction with anybody that was partners

with you at that time? Or is that freeing three for you to do what you Everybody could do whatever they want, like any of your partners, because you guys were all eager partners. Okay, because in Armadale, you you is it true you came up with the mix or something like that, came up with the name, uh, the deal and uh and also the um yeah, the liquid. Yeah, so I picked that out. But you weren't a part of rocket Ware everything. Oh yeah, so rocket where I

used that. That was a marketing arm. So I just did it all across marketing with the music and in the company. What do you mean? It was a marketing arm, but we cross marketed everything. If you remember all the companies, we had a sea because I worked the labels side, and I had to work all those brands exactly right. So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask this question because the fans would kill me if not. And everyone always is

curious of this strong brotherhood. You know, you got you Um who have your own crew, came in with your own crew. We got Dame who has his own crew, came in his own crew, and got Jay as zwn crew came on his own crew, and this big conglomerate. Everybody always they speculate what was the breakup or what

like what was the actual thing? Like like if you look at these blogs, they always say, well this is like you know, Star say this, and these people say this, and then Inquirer say this, and the thing about it. When we did that Dale in ninety seven, the company was always gonna be sold, so people think it's a breakup, but it was being sold anyway. Yeah, so just like they had a formula put in, they knew they were selling.

The only reason they extended because we were selling so many records, So we was actually pushing the number that Death Jam was going to get up because we were selling so many records at the time with Rockefeller. But yeah, we knew in ninety seven we were selling in two thousand two. The only thing is we did an extension for three more years. So that's why I went from two thousand to to two thousand five. And I think with Ormkanto and yeah before yeah, so that was the

tail and of it. The dale was up, so you know, so that's why Jay death Jam and then we saw the d d MG. He wasn't rocket filling anymore. He wasn't you know. Everybody just went in there their own thing. But the theory is that it was Leo Colms, right. I think I think Leo gets that unfairly. But that's just me looking from the outside in. Um, that's that's the theory. The theory is Leo Combs did something to break you guys up. That's one of the theories. It's

fifteen million theories. By the way. Yeah, I got I got, I got, I gotta hit. I think I think I heard in the movie. Made it confusing too, definitely too. When it came out, we actually had a meeting. He was like, YEO, where's this stuff coming from? Because it was actually on the news saying that we were breaking up. So Jay Caleb, it just like yo, y'all saying. We're like yo, now you're saying it. So we're laughing with each other because at the same time we're making the movie,

but none of us has going where it came from. Okay, I mean, so people don't know about those meetings and we're laughing about it, you know. So it's a bunch of theories. So you're saying that Leo cons couldn't have been there. I'm not saying that he could have couldn't have if I'm just saying that it wasn't the reason why Rocket feller this first because we sold the company

in two thousand and five. And then there's another crazy rumor right that when Cameron became the pres this is this is like this is one of the like the illest ones because well he never became the president. Whoa dame said that he wanted to the Camax with a certain amount of money that he never got and he turned it down. So I'm supposed to be king. We didn't have Twitter back then, so it was supposed to be Yeah, I heard that story from you guys. I've

never heard that in public. I heard that like I heard days say that, and I heard you say that. I never heard it in public, though, but you did, you did? You did that That had people salty, like even like like state property or something like that. You want to say that because Beans was about to be the president to the president of his Yeah, it was gonna be too co presidents that would that would have been that would have been crazy. And this is after

you guys sold it already or not? Okay, right Jesus man, that's you got. You got a rich history. Man. I'm might take a fucking shot of killer. We don't gotta don't want to take the ball. You're taking shot Columbian white if you want, I take a shot Columbia White. Man. I'm not really ship No, but what is it? Though? It's the process before rum It's not what he's like? What then? Is that true? This is what Columbia's They snip cocaine and then they drink this because the Columbia coach,

I'm drunk, become wrong the king. This is like you know the filter. Look, this is taking you noticed? This is not good. Yo. I don't know if you're no Biggs. But we celebrate all We celebrate all people. We celebrate all champions are CEOs. A little out of this is not good. That was not good. It tastes like licorice. Hey, don't talk about about my living man. How you know,

how do you know what talking about? You're talking about the time phone party as crazy and so so right now Hallam is being like gentrified crazy, like you literally can you know go outside and there's someone jogging? Why you know, it's definitely different, Like how does how does that feel? I mean, you want to neighborhood to be better, but at the same time, you want the people from the community to have some ownership, which isn't happening. So

I think that's the mishap. A lot of times these communities get gentrified, but no one is saying, you know, this is what you can do to build a business, to own a business, or to do something to be a part of this long term, or to try to bodies units once they start turning into co ops and condos.

So that education process need to be there because that's what gentrification is, what driving the process of right good if there's some ownership, yeah, because right now they're right now, right now, little Haiti, they're going through the same thing. They taking a little Haiti and they're taking baby Porter

we go, Baby Porter, we go? What was baby? That's what saying back in the day Port reach we are right now a little Haiti when which is that's where we used to go to all the Zoo nation jams and that you couldn't that ship is uh village when wood? When Wood? When village? They tearing that ship to the but it should be baby poarter a week og. It's like Bertha commented, uhould have a birth of comment date, Paul, I think they still got that the part, but it's

not what the flag, it's not there. They got a part. We get restaurant though, let me big party. We gat restaurant if I see that one restaurants so we only the only Spanish restaurant. You go that like it was in Malibuok, I'm gonna tell you the South game little. When I'm in l A, I eat white, I don't eat. I don't eat on the ground. I said, I'm not going only Yeah, I'm not gonna like what are you like? So? Yeah? Everything, yes,

but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. You know, I'm kind of mad at the people who first brought me to l A because I felt like I've missed like eighteen years in my life. You know, I've been going to l A for twenty years, like out of seventeen years, this is the only year. Like last year, I went to Malibu and I was like, always been this ship from the young day and now I'm there all the time. I love Valiable. Big up to the fires and all that that happened. Man, everybody not big

up to that. We don't want to pick up fires. That's fighters, fire fighters. You know, it's crazy. Daego was here, it was it was Impaliable. There was some ship happening with the lights and he was like, yo, we kind of like predicted these fucking fires, but moving on and you and Diego predicted the fires. Yeah, we kept seeing it was something on the lights, like when it rains, like you thought it would catch fire. Yeah, Like well

like I can't. And you know the crazy about Valiable they don't sell plastic, so they don't sell like well they aren't blaming the power company. Yeah, at least I've seen it, Like that's that's the old holy ship. I seen. Did it? He did it? So, So what's your favorite, uh if favorite moments in hip hop right now? Right now? I don't know if I have a favorite moment right now, but the most exciting thing for me right now I was working with St. John. You know what I mean

to be honna bring but that's dope. I see you passionate about that, though not seriously because you know it's in fifteen years before, you know, since I did anything in music, And the last two albums I did was Kanye first two albums, right, so college drop out, late registration. So to step out the game for that was his first two yeah wow, So to step out the game.

All this time, I said I would never ever be in music business again, and people ask me over and over you know what I'm saying, and managed to do this come being hard to CEO running this, I wasn't interested, but something that I was passionate just kind of drew me back in and the music, the artistry, and then building a relationship with him and showed me something different.

And now seeing how good he really is, I'm like, the creative process is what I enjoyed more than anything, you know what I mean, being in the student and being a studio all day. So I love to be in the studio forere produce a pulling up a track, seeing the head movement, seeing the person come up with the words going and actually create the music and then you know, especially when they hit records to see that from scratch. That's one of the most memorable times that

you even went to Hot Night the seventh Way. Yeah, like I heard recently, I went to seven to Like that's that's deep. Like you know what I'm saying, Like you know you Yeah, I'm back all the way back. That's hard. That's hard. I mean I don't do nothing half way. If I do something, I'm all in. That's that's why I take my time with ship. You know, that's all just a blunt half. Its like you want roaster or no. Okay, okay. Do you remember when he was on the other probation. You used to use me

as a guinea pick. He used to be like, y'll Nori come over all right, and used to put like fucking a pound of weed and tin cookies like this doesn't match up. This thing you can't put you can't meet tin cookies. What are you doing? He makes ten big cookies like this guy. One time we drove home from this I was a sweater guard. I was doing twenty miles like this. People good, Like I can't go no further. This is it word but but you know, um, so so life moves on. You come home, Ah, you

start the colthen line things happened. Then you get to see that your two brothers ain't talking right, You get to see that one is on one side and one is on the other side. Yeah, like one what is? What is? What is? What's the first thing you think of when that happens. I mean I didn't think anything. The last thing I've seen was them together at Shaka Shaka birthday. Yeah, and then after that, d no Shaka that you start chacka pillar. So I didn't see them

after that. Yeah, there was a Jay show with Kevin Hart and everybody, so Jay Dame took his daughter to the show, so they weren't speaking. It just wasn't hanging together, just like I mean, we all speak, but it just happens that now, you know. I mean, I spent a lot of time in l A. I see Jay Moore, you know what I mean, because I'm with Ti time a lot. I'm with Emory all the time, you know what I mean? Yes, so that all allows you know,

that time allows us to spend time together. But I've seen Dame another day too, Yeah, at h at a dinner friend, I had a birthday don Okay, so I said, everybody wearing it? So how about how about every because every for the most part, um when Jay first came out, we don't even heard of him through song. Yeah, like a lot of people didn't like it was crazy because as much as I know all of y'all, me and every had just really met each other. He's like, yo,

then we just met each other. Like how how dope was that for you to come home and see that he had a position and pulling one and he was doing when Emory came home, I was here, so I actually picked Emery. Uh, get the funk out? I thought. I thought, no, no, I picked em up. I would actually take him to work every day. I didn't know that. I thought he came home. Then you came home. Yeah, he came home. I went in years later, Okay. So he was like, I only want you to pick me up.

You know what I'm saying. When and you know, we spend time. But Emery, people don't know, it's a real entricate part of Rocket Feller. He's there from the genesis. So Emery Dna is just as much Rocket fell as anybody else. You know what I'm saying, the same way Thai Tai, same way, be high, the same way bleak. You know what I'm saying. Clark Ken and everybody else that helped us get to that point. But Emery. You know, so what was the story that made Emery famous? What

was it? He was in Vegas and he when he got his name Vegas. Yeah, when he was at the crap tables, at the one that starts to g good. So yeah, we was out there. Well there's a couple of things, I mean from even in my lifetime. We shot the video and we brought the whole island out of Champagne. So he yeah, he brought We can't just see that he just please remember that story. But when we went to London that day, we brought the whole hotel out of chicken and wine at a little thing

like that. But he brought the whole island of the champion of that. And then in Vegas, you know, he went off and was at the gambling table and then went and brought a bunch of bottles and stuff and then made this little area all v I P. So nobody knew who he was. We got to fight sitting in front of Dr Dre. This is before we had any music out, so you know, we did, and the security started asking you can We looked them, man, we lived them and he's all NBA players and ship. We're like, yeah, yeah,

he's good. He good. Nobody knows that we bought some much champagne. They thought we were somebody. But that was all Emery and and and Emory on top of that is the one who created all the lifestyle at rock Nation. So you see the paper plane hats, that's Emery. Anything with Puma, that's Emery. You know what I mean, all those collaborations Rihanna, Big Sean, Miekmill, all that stuff goes to Emery. He's the one that's at the forefront of that. And and you know you gotta kind of pass through

that bridge. How pro how proudly would you see that? I mean, I love to ask my brother every time that he wins, I win and vice versa. Goddamn it, goddamn makes him look take a shot of wine because I'm not can't do that again. You're gonna do it. Let I go, rock I go. You will go to killer a little shot. I just got have some of this. I got straight to kill it. Don't do a shot you're gonna do a shot. You wanna do a shot. You wanna do a shot. Man, it's for your birthday,

My birthday, the birth Take a shot. Everybody take a shot. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. The Pons shot the Burros and sequel all all right, come here and here, guys on the first time we see twenty people take shots of the first time on drink chats. Everybody's gonna take a shot. Well, pump this ship when it came on? Is that dollar that's real? Pia Pia Colora Surrock. I'm asking you, brother, you don't know. You didn't charge you that you pick it up? Jesus? Is

this something? What's wrong the white? Is this something in there? Oh? Yeah, all right, cool, that's what I meant. Yeah, I want something, Colada. Can you take a shot of that? Yeah? Something everything? That's like? Now the ful baby? So you want to take a bringing me bringing st John? Yeah, get everybody there, shot at me. Start the next segment, like a right, why are you bringing to look it in the bathroom. I'm not I'm not comfortable with that stick point your ship.

Damn man, I caught that one. He ain't change ain't change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he broke the bottle. God, this is like I don't know eight or something, Yo, yo, give it, give him that raspberry though your white family. She dropped me off. She would friend. She was back, if I tell her somebody's bad, you guys. Wait, he's like talking to her now like all the time. They'm like you know what I mean? Oh yeah, what's the what's the white girl

and the white girl? Um? Kylie? Yeah, yeah, she came about her like yeah, we're just waning already had drinks, so I was like, yeah, She's like they put me onto the Christian Dio cafe. I didn't even know that. They like you go shopping and you go stairs, you get coffee, and there's like some flock it out. Kylie, yeah yesterday when you're going, you're not coming out this week, Like no, no, no, I'm gonna miss that one. You're

not gonna I'm gonna do that. Yeah, because I got ship out, um, and I got a couple of more things. But then after that, after all star going, I'm trying to get a month to month and yeah, building okay, all right, I was gonna do the one better because I wanted to do the two duplex. But I was just like the one. Yeah, it's just it's just us for them. Yeah not but that. No, man, I'm gonna ford to killing Yeah, put a poor shot to Yeah he Tracy with a drinking to kill it. That's hard.

That is hard. What is this is something? Colado? Yeah, it's up my speed? Did you watch the glasshold on? It's okay? Sorry, sorry, we do it, y'all. I don't problem. Yeah, can we forget? Everybody be out there say the Grammy. I'm gonna skip that one like I skipped super Ball. I wanted to. Oh yeah, I guess everybody. I want to say some money yet yo that I know what I'm gonna do when I go out there. I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, Like y'all know eat you change? Yeah, yeah,

what you know? And what you don't change? At day? What happened to the shot? Oh let's go, let's go everybody, everybody, it's my birthday. Let's is your birthday? Or drink chips halloo? Like that line? But what is it? Because one year we all even Gando came out. Uh, we had a Rocket Feller show just to give a little We had

the biggest read the song. So we still we still had yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we had it first and it was frunny because one night, uh we went sport sporty with de Parade and it was I think it was rocket Uh lack Familiar had a club, so I think he or Bombino. You guys had had the father up. You guys had true life. You guys had

me and it was crazy. I remember you. I think it was just you and J and I was at the bar and you just drink the killer all night and I looked at these niggas and they wouldn't sweat. I was so mad. I was so mad. I was jealous. I was I can use that word. I was jealous. I was like, damn, you know after two shots, like it's like ship didn't come down, my ship right here? Then, I mean your under all start acting up, you know,

but y'all think it's went in sweat. But what the fun we kind of training that you kind of drinking training did y'all go through, Like you guys don't sweat the funk, Like even right now you're got sweating the shot. Take up my ship now, now say listen um for the people that don't know about you. Uh you're like in the records I heard, you're like, uh future Lauren Hill and like Bob dealing. Wodamn right put that shot

on the shirt. I found you got ship to be honest, because like your style is so unique, like it's so like like that. The one thing that I hate about this young generation is I could always identify when the person is right. They always say, all right, that's him, that's him. The thing about you is you can you so versatile that you can you can be any anything ever, Like like I heard records from you, I was like,

that's the same guy. Like if one would be so laugh and then one would be right to the car and then one of who It's like I've never like I know why he's you know what I'm saying, Like you know because it's but how you do Like first of where you from Brooklyn? God, damn it, he's still your. God, I would have something like like what I'm saying, like I just thought it was like somewhere like we didn't

real didn't know. I can't believe it's like flat he's still your Damn you a murderer, because I don't everybody's When I was in jail. Everybody's New York. You're actually East New York. Like, yeah, you got a body right there. You know, I'm like anybody but East New York. So okay, talk about your upbringing is and like how you doing inspirations? Yeah, he's somewhere he's saying, I need to hear what your inspirations. Well, I grew up bouncing between Brooklyn, East New York and Guyana.

George soun Guyana. So that's in South America. Yeah, yeah, I'm West Indian because Guyana's West Indian all over south right right, right, so Spanish you know what, I ain't run into that pop that sounds yeah good, you're thinking Ghana Ghana Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean in South America, right, So it's Spanish speaking or you know, put yours in different visions. But we spoke English, we spoke Pats and this French Guyana started. It's a geography lesson that, right.

So I grew to boss in between Brooklyn and Guyana. So my influences just answer your question. I grew up when I was in New York. I was I was listening to it was Rockefell, I was listening to J I was listening to um Bleek, I was listening to Yeah, I took some of it back with me, right, because you know, you get to take things back with you. But when I was there growing up for Real and Guyana, I was listening to Beanie Man and Spragger Bean's and Booty.

It's heavy. You can't escape. That's just that's normal, Just like it was doctrine to listen to Ja in New York. That was you know, that was gospel. You just that's what you had in the Caribbean that deserves around. Ala also shout out the says because you know what he was signed The rocket Fell at test. It's on the record with you, okay my album. I was hanging out with call it the other day and he played me a Sissler no my bottle sizz and boo Juice. Right.

I knew he went to Jamaica. I knew he immediately gotta booge you. I'm not gonna lie to you. And you know, like reggae music is like my third or four favorite. I don't want to ask it in like like you know, now I love my shot. I'm gonna shot a ranks things like I'm old school shot, right, I'm um, what's what's the other nigga light skinning like special ad super I'm like that, so but I ain't been into like reggae like that like that man, but

he was tapping your shoulder time. I ain't gonna say that. I'm like, what's going on? But college playing this ship? I was like, Wow, he got some ship. We'll thinking about DJ college man, I want to give up. What did you guys talk about him coming on drink chain? You know why I didn't bring it up because I'm too classic classic? Yeah, because not to he broke it up. He broke it up. He was like, listen, this is

when I'm gonna do it. I was like, the conspiracy that you've been coming up with, No, I think it's still a conspiracy that I was going up. I think you think it still is, uh conspiracy? I got now we got no problem. So class someone that class you sent me up. Okay, here's my conspiracy there. If is a great guy, that's that's you sent me up to. Nothing a great guy. It's a great guy. But you know he has the same part of him school class. I've seen him personally tell people I'm gonna suck you up.

That's my I'm just saying his eyes. Man, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I've seen Tim in a occasion or two. I thought I sign listen to this. Remember my thought solid this was it's a whole cup quota point. Okay, So my theory is at some point, you know he has things to be out there working Street Team doing because men came up around the same time he did something. No, I didn't do anything, but this,

this is the hate to train. They don't want me to finish the start, but they did so angle and I don't. I'm not sure of cow yet. I'm not sure the show and we're all home team should be on the show. We should have been on the show back and when we started the show. One million theories. I think it's incorrect that I think many times. Yeah, I'm bugging. I'm just bum fucking with you, to be

honest with you. But a part of me that's something doing to drink Chase and I ain't gonna be I'm going to l a. I'm sure you ain't gonna have Yeah, I don't want it's real. No, I mean it could be real. None the confess he knows it. I mean one you saying that I love for each other him d j If this is an actual cover, yeah, d j Iri And on my way to l A today, little so Um A part of it's just a piece of me that feels like, um, there's a piece of me that feels like you know, I don't know what

he's trying it with you. I mean I won't do I wouldn't be on the show that day. No, no, but I could be wrong because he I think it wrong. The thing about is this I've been to I've been to his cript twice. I'm too. I will not ask you for anything in your house. I kid you, not other than wis the bathroom. I'm just I'm that type of nigger. Like even if my next door neighor invites me to a party and I see the party going on, if that person doesn't reiterate you know, you know you

gotta come to the party, I don't. I don't never want to be the intruder guy. Like I wasn't intrude at one time in my life and I didn't like it. So I don't intrude at all, you know what I'm saying. So when I'm at when I was, you know, two times I'm at his spot. Um, I don't bring up drink champs at all, you know what I mean. I just I just like, yo, I got you know, because one time I came on the boat. Uh you did what? Yeah, yeah,

that's he's supposed to do. But remember Mr Levy one time he came on the boat with Brom Mr Child, I put an old liquor in the world and he's like, yo, I got it all in my crib. And then it's like, you can't really violate. You can't believe like I got my own food, Like you look like a fucking Safari hunter, you know what I'm saying. So I had to leave it all. But he plung it up, and I think he would eventually do it. I think he's gonna do it.

I think that the conspiracy is wrong. Yeah, I hope. Really. At the end of the day, we came up together in Minami, and I'm hell of proud because I'm proud of the home team. Anybody from the home team that wins, I'm winning as well. And Cat has gone beyond anybody's expectations and I'm proud of that. And that's why I want to showcase him to represent my side and drink

champions Miamist. Respect you God damn makes some more. Now, what what kind of pressure that you face, because literally, this is the man who finally put on one of the greatest people on earth, especially as the MC is that pressure always, that's something that you know, it makes you want to say, you know what, I'm gonna go on the motherfucker wake up in the morning, you know what I'm saying, And I'm I'm like, how do you feel about that? I don't think about it. I don't

think about it. You know. It's funny because right with friends, right, so he has this tremendous legacy and he's done the impossible things. I'm thinking about what I'm trying to do. Right, I'm thinking, you know where I came from and what I want to go next. So when I wake up in the morning, I'm like, Okay, what's the road and after get that so that I don't feel any pressure outside of can I buy my mom is Chanelle Wallett that I just bought for myself? What what's the next

ten years gonna look like for me? I don't think of the pressure, but he's not, and it doesn't feel that way because I'm hungry. I just wanted. I just wanted. I don't I forget right, I'm sitting in the corner and I'm hearing the stuff. I'm like, oh, this nigger did what right? And but I know that, But that's not what I'm waking up thinking. That's not the urgency. It's is two niggas moving around and we got a whole other plan and we want to do something. All right,

goddamn it? That was That was all? Now? Now? Um, now, who was your inspirations? Like, besides a jail or something like that? Like, who is somebody to look at the new generation rather forget your inspiration? Somebody are your peers that you that you? I mean, you gotta respect Drake, right, But there's you know, there's different tiers a you're talking. I remember when when I grew up watching Rocket Feller,

I respected the business model. I was a kid. I was just like a broke kid in East New York, like a bummy bearfoot kid from Guyana, just trying to make something. And that I was like, whoa, this is a path here. There's something that you could do to something to be executed here that makes sense. So this inspiration musically and this inspiration business wise, right, and you come from hard circumstances and you try to make a road map out. So I was looking at business and

were you born here? I was born here? Okay, Well, how did they totally one savage thing affect run me the wrong word because I'm first generation American, but I grew up bouncing between countries. You could have easily been born. Yeah, my mom's scraped to make sure we were born here, just to be on this soil, because that meant something,

that meant they couldn't send this back. No, and they're trying to change that law now even if you're born hire, Yeah that parents bring the kids like give birth here. They're trying to change that law. Words they're calling anchor babies. I think I think I heard that, but I ain't a little lesson what that meant. Yeah, anchor baby, which I mean in some realities, people do come here to give birth here because they want a better life for

their children. They're trying to change those laws. I'm sure a bunch of our parents did the same thing. I mean, just to get here. Just a scraper right, right, So when I saw this Tony one Savage thing. I'm like, this guy, he was just building his life here. He's gonna be repped from his kids. He got three kids. I didn't know that. I met him a couple of times, but I didn't know his entire situation, but I could he got no UK at accent, so he's he was born. Actually, like,

I'm confused because I know he's Caribbean. He was, but I think I think I think the UK owns Dominica. No, I don't think, so. I try to look that up because I was thinking, is it is a Commonwealth, But I don't think it is. Just that will check that, because I think if you're born in the British version of islands, they say that you're probably the UK. Those aren't British territories, Dominica or St. Lucia, which is isnt UK British, isn't the UK. That's part of Britain, UK Domerican. St.

Lucia is in a part of that. That's what you're right, right, right right? I think is because I was at six seven, that's what he's at. He's what he's he's in Dominica because he's from there. From that he was born the Dominican guy he was has do with the UK. Yeah, we're going down right, yeah, yeah, no, no, no no, but we investigate. We're investigate Jory, but we gotta figure it out. Yeah, we gotta figure it out. But goddamn it.

But but you know, they're saying real quickly, the conspiracy behind that is supposedly came out with the record that was touching on immigration, touching on on other social issues. Heard that and then all of a sudden, out he's a target, and then that he did it Instagram live and he was actually saying snitches like some some crazy ship.

And not only that you're hanging out with because because God bless me, God bless everybody around, but you build miss jail reformed ship, you gotta be squeaky fucking clean, you know what I'm saying. Because you're you're trying to say that old least it's bigger down the business should be. You know what I'm saying, It reversed and people gonna

target you for that, you understand I'm saying. So, And then you know, one of the last three times I saw Bleak there was they was together twenty one and them, so I think he could meet it. Excuse me me? Yeah, So how did you feel being at that dinner man? That was wild? That was a wild that was wild. It's wild right because I'm looking when I look at the picture, I'm like, nig that happened. That's crazy. Because this this thing is out of his mind. He would like,

y'oll just pull up. We just we're just nothing is then like you listen about the like fucking whoever we're walking over big black. I learned facts we were doing. We were we went there something for BT real quick, right, signing that this thing is out of his mind. They said, um, I remember I'm just in the room. Just what he's just talking on camera. They said, if you can go back in the pass and you could do anything or you could change anything or something like that, right, don't

make me, don't make me contorted. But he said, They were like, what would you do it? He said, I would go back. I would sign St. John earlier and make Rockefeller bigger dynasty. I left the room, and I really think he's gonna be the biggest brand as a male, since Kanye has a brand musically, I think he's gonna cut the edge and then do something that people haven't seen before and we got it on. I'm gonna be honest, I was honestly believe that that's not something like my

legacy is on the line. Believe you know what I'm saying. I put that ship on the line to come back in the music. I could have did this with a lot of people, bigger artists, you know what I'm saying. That was already selling a lot of records. But I chose to do it with him for a reason. I don't tell you. Before I ever met you, I had a conversation with him, and that's what he says. He's like, that's partly the only person I come back to the music business. Well, I was say, because I played the

album for Nori. I don't even know if we met yet. Me and uh sat and I played it for him. He was going to Malible. So the music first, yeah, purely off the music. Then we just no, no, we just became friends. And then he played he had a he has an album out now called Collection one. So album yeah yeas yeah, that's an album that's been out in March. So when we met and we talked for like three hours and he said, come to the studio,

listened to his new project. I was like, oh, ship, he did it twice because I was definitely convinced, but I was like, I don't know if he could do it again. And I heard the new project, I was like, let's dude, it ill because the new album jinx like everybody's first album. For two months, we just was friends. You know, We're just hanging out, going out, eating, shilling, bringing people to studio listening. First of all, I don't even go to studio, so who you know what I mean.

I started bringing other people to listen to the music, and then I wanted to see if I was bugging. So I was like, let me see if everybody else feeling the same way that I feel. And everybody was like, yo, this ship is crazy. The other like two days ago, I was at three days ago playing some songs for Jay because I told him. I said, look, man, if I knew Michael Jordan's and I'm playing ball, I'm gonna say, yo, it's my phone. Correct, I'm gonna go to the best.

I'm like, Nigga, I got this our mom. I need you to see what's up. So I played him songs, some songs that he doinged on the album something like fifteen, and JA was like, Yo, this is incredible. He said, you didn't play not one black song. He said every song you played was incredible. Right now, that's that pressure on you? Or is that like it? I'm supposed to be like this at this point. This is what I signed up for, I said, I said, this is what I wanted a right. It's funny you make the Michael

Jordan's reference. I wake up every day and I tell the people around me, I want to be Jordan's. So if I gotta be Jordan, y'all gotta be the ninety six bulls. So the only pressure is the pressure I give myself because there's nothing to go back to, there's nowhere to fall. I'll tell you something that was a funny story. I can't tell you the player's name because I gotta protect them, but I remember one of these

players they drafted the Patriots. They go to the Patriots my homeboy, and he called me like two thirty in the morning. It's like, oh, I'm pretty he'd be gonna practice right now. And I'm like what He's like, Yo, I'm not used to this, But that's the type of ship that to be a champion to do. Tom Brady was like, Yo, two thirty in the morning, cold nickas and say let's go to practice. Who's gonna tell Tom Brady no facts? Who's gonna like, No, I don't want

to practice. I'm drunk like whatever you at, come and pull up. And that's what it takes to be great. It's just you just gotta just do have any fucking thing, and you know you want the path, my brother, h you got a great team behind you. Want to another famous story. I used to remember. I remember, I just smoke haze and babies to hate that smoke, Haye, stop smoking right there, you know. In fact, I'll take another shot.

I remember. I remember, I remember, I've been bigs used to like because I would, I would smoke, but I wouldn't like search for the like the best of the best. I would be like, if if it's be I'm good, like I ain't even want be plucks. I'm good. And most of us was like that. In New York, this motherfucker they had a week called Harrod Wanna. I had no idea what it was. First of all, I thought I was doing HEROD sound by the way, Harojuanna, Let's

go it was the best week I've ever smoke. But we went too so we're doing ninety of rock nineties six. Your position, um uh, with everything you've been through. When people look sometimes and you know, I like the I hate to bring it up. It's just you know, people ask and people see you and Jay so strong together. One of the things is why you and Dame is not all together. I know. People always say it's funny because it's not like if I go to his house, I gotta say your damn, I'm going to Jay house.

You gotta show up so we could take this picture. It's just just happened. No one thinks that though. By the way, I think Instagram is super constrocted, because some people really construct the Instagram like they think that their life is that chronological order. Like someone told me, someone told me the other day, we're gonna get right back to this. Some one told the other day, yea, I picked you up, and you ain't even like the picture. I said, I ain't seen it. Like it's no conspiracy.

I guess people in my dam said I hit up. Said that's not a question for me, but him again, Like I've seen certain ship go to that like people like early on, like you talked about all the crews coming together in Brooklyn Hall and and everybody out of that, Me and Top Top probably hung out more than any

of us. Wow. So back then, even though Jay and to you know, everybody know the story they grew up together, but it was me and to Top almost every day they get every day now no pictures dare so what they're gonna say, Yo, why damon Jane and this picture? Because being time to hang out just certain people click up. And that's just how that doesn't mean you don't have love for somebody else or something like that, you know,

even if two people are getting along or not. And just you know right now, that's just you know what I mean, where I hang out most, you know, right all right, So um again this is something that's on the internet. Um, choke, no joke, I don't know, of course, you know, choking joke accused. Um what did he say to little guy? Oh he's trying to somebody before you even going a story that day is a lie and he makes up a lot of ship. Okay, Yeah, So don't matter what the story is, it's probably a whole

bunch of spin on the trip. Cool cool. We'll leave it that we're at that. I right, you got something because I gotta take a peep peace, but really taking the shot. Oh where I'm man? Shot totally the guy, I totally. I'm having fun. Man, you just say something pictures. Let me just tell you something. Big. I just want to be honest with what everybody everybody Big is one of the most genuine people I ever met. I feel like you should be praised. I feel like you should.

I feel like and that's the good thing about you is you don't You don't even give a funk like you don't give a funk about having props. And that ship is just amazing to be because and you said something earlier, you said, Yo, I rather celebrate other people's birthdays. That's exactly how it was. One Big don't got a shot? Yeah, what's going out? The next thing? I got a shot. He's making a speech's making a speech. You gotta connect.

He liked the Delhi got damn. So you know, and I just feel like, Paul, Yeah, shout out to put me on de Yeah, shout to revolt shot on my birthday. That's became my favorite to kill. Okay, all right, that's what you're trying to do. You can fill me up. Listen, I ain't back Paul time, So listen to you, babe. Saw a little family St. John and the motherfucking building in great hands. We respect you. So what's so? What's the plan from here? Are we signed up St. John

to rock Nation? Are we signing them to a title? I've seen pictures with you in l a read? Is that a thing? On? No? I got options? Man? Yeah? I mean he sign right now? He's label lad okay? What is what ling? Was he? What is hitco? What hiteco? Hitco? Okay? Because he up out of the yell y'all, y'all gotta mean so he had a hitco right now? It's that. It's the So what's the next plan? Is that the album we scale it Collection one came out last year,

do it again, do bigger? Go back on tour and did two tours last year, did two sold out tours on the project that you wouldn't have heard salable in a sexy car, right, that's the word, Like two world tours. I'm gonna go back and do that again, but this time on a bigger leave more silk, more leather, a few more blondes, you know. And it's not about being signed to somebody else. It's about God complex. So that's the company that's being created right now. That everything I'll

run through. Okay, would that be your label controlling yourself? Yeah, it's the same model. It's the same model we saw before. You know, with new information, it's like not to say that I don't want to put it there, but I got to watch it. I got to watch Rockefeller in two thousand and five, six seven. Now I got not got the end of work because mind the whole book. No, no, no, I'm gonna be honest and this this I'm gonna say. This is not to big you up, but this is

to big you up. The Chico starts with your music. The music speaks for itself. Everythink that's the problem with artists. Most artists have the music and don't have nothing else and the attitude, you know what I'm saying. And the thing is, you got the music and then you got the person. So the thing about it is, if you don't go to where you at, it's purely your fault. I'm just throwing it out there because that means you didn't work hard enough. That means you didn't. That means

you missed the morning show. That means you went to the tunnel, you know, I know, my old nig thennel. But that means that means you when the club live, and then you forgot that. You gotta wake up in the morning and go see motherfucking y'all got I mean, and y're gonna mean it in the morning. And that's the thing is fall in love with the work and never the money. And this she would always follow you, my dude. You know what I'm saying. The money, The

money will come once you love the work. You know what I'm saying that. Yeah, yeah, I believe, And I don't believe in chasing it back. I don't think you have to. I think even that will come. It's automatic. When you find you hit your stride, things just sort of come right. Like we this morning. I was this morning, I was in Jamaica. I spent the last ten days in Jamaica. Not on vacation, although you know it looked good, queens, Okay, okay.

I spent the last ten days I was working on music in Jamaica, like I'm the studio, like fourteen hours a day and on sageration, right so I get out the studio this morning at like six am or seven am. I hop on a plane. We get here. We hop on the offer plane. We're here. All was after lots of roles you did. I'm on South Africa and South African lobster tails, lots of roles. By the way, we was in college clip me Lenny asked at DJ college and we were talking about your instagram. How vegan right now?

Something about being kind vegan, no white, a vegan plate. But the chicken the waffles. Yeah, we got chicken and waffles here. I didn't see that. I didn't see that. She was amazing that. But didn't you be saying I didn't eat this far. That's that's that's the part that our collar and lines, dam pete, because that's what they eat. Yeah, I would be like, yo did Like you got to watch the Whole Food Blog. Yeah, yeah, shoot eat, I told it, they just watch eat all that foul fit

yo letty stuff in the dessert was counting. He's that way callis not needing a dessert. College is on shout out the color right a wrong. Let me tell you something. Just feel worth foxes. He can work, but you kind of you kind of have a little bit of money because the crazy ship was the chef because they already cooked this. So every time you know, he goes and grabs something, that's a person that comes up to him and says, that's such such an amount of calories. Nor

it was. It was amazing to me a human calorie countra. Yeah, it's amazing. It was amazing. Like I'm just telling you, that's the last Like he was sitting in the person was like, look, you can have this, but if you have this, you can't have that. If you want to drink of wine, a drinking wine, but that drink of wine is gonna take away from him that piece of such the weight Watchers, the weight Watchers program, the calorie amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. But listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.

I don't have money like DJ Cale, So me being all that ship, I was fail. I think you you know, I think if you want that J shot the funk out Caulgary County, I would lose Calgary cal He I would love of Calgary. Carroll Love was like four or five years ago and use like yo, bigs, I ain't gonna lie more my ship. Yeah you know when you using jail, I was I was three, I was almost

three pictures right now. It was even right before that after when you was doing that the whole thing, right yeah yeah yeah yeah, ain't the same, but at least I got it down three D the calorie counter. No, no, she was not, like see weight watchers is different. See to think about it is, but that's not weight watchers know it is for calorie No, no weight watch this period.

You can actually cheat. That's why you can have pizza like you ever seen over and promoting that ship and over we have pizza and ship like that because they're not talking to real fat people. Man, I'm just telling you the truth. Actually, yeah, yeah, I'm telling the truth. Yeah. It's like pounds gave sent some certain places, but it tells you what to eat. Yeah, like you know, how were you eating dessert and all this ship? He was like, ye,

don't trust me. That's what I know. It's a calorie county. Don't what you do? Like, So that's most you're allowed a certain amount of calories, right, two thousand day, I say fifteen hundred, right, that's what that was where my mom was at. Right, So that's you say, you have that little pizza. That pizza might be worth several hundred calories, right, so now you take that seven hundred calories. Now you

have what we said fifty hundred. So now you have several hundred and fifty left, eight hundred left to go. So you just work around that and as long as you stay there, then this ship drops. Yeah, but nobody has and you gotta drink. That's behind your sholder. That's what I'm trying to say. That's that's my point. My point is, you gotta have that bread, and you want somebody you respect to. You don't want somebody you don't respect, saying, hey, put that cheesecake down, like put the funk up, make

him now that the cheefecake. You want somebody, you know what I say, You want somebody even respect. So he got a couple of dudes that like, we got something to me, you know what I'm saying. It was just like yo, you know, over the room, you have that chicken na. But they were just like, you know, letting them know, like because that's the one thing, but showing too. For certain, nothing's worse than trying to do something and

not accomplishing that goal. You know what I'm saying, so if you set out to do something, and um, that's one thing. I guess he's focused, like he's he was serious Like the last a couple of times I've seen him, I got on a drink. I did not get him to drink this time. I don't think he's a big drinker. He's never been a big drinker. He's seaful, yallow and rock and yeah, he's kidding him and told him he didn't got a drink drink. I think that's when he's

scared though too. I got that way sober. I think he thinks he's gonna get here, he's gonna have a shot taking ball. He's gonna start talking about don't drink on drink. Yeah, we don't mind it because we'll get the f joe. But it was here. I didn't drink nine due the first episode. I didn't drink. First time. You didn't drink the first time, Luke, Luke didn't. Luke

didn't drink. I think he didn't smoke because he because high school, we all smoke like we didn't smoke in front of True Life and either of these for all right, come on, people were coming here. You know what I'm saying, yeah, just getting when you talk ourselves. Yea like ship should be really like people were scared to come in. Who

else said they were scared? Joel Santanna. A lot of artists done scared because I see Juel, She's like, yo, I gotta prep for this ship, I said, And then you don't gonna work out they come to drink care just come on, here we go. We're good man for listen, man, I want to thank both of you, brother, thank you, because again, in our culture, in our generation, none of us back each other up. Everyone wants to compete with

each other. Everyone wants to say how much better they are the next man, or how much more do they put it into this game as the next man. I wanted to stop that. I wanted to have a show where we could sit down and just give people their flywers where they can smell them. They thought us, where they can tell them they drinks, where they can drink them, and they you know, they thought us where they can think of I know it's a little little scary, you

know what I'm saying, But it's it's real ship. It's real ship because none of us, our community is just doesn't exist. No more where we just say, you know, you're a great job man. You know what I'm saying. You know, I respect what you're doing. It's they say that's thick rider nowadays, Like if I say your good job, you know this dick like, that's that's not that's not that's not real man ship. I'm a man. I can say great job, drain like the way you took that picture,

you don't mean nothing. That means that's I'm big enough, great art, big enough, great work. But in this generation, they will try to make you seem like you're a dick, right or your your you know, one of them the foul names that they use, And that's that shouldn't be it. We should say great job. We shouldn't say your bags. Man. I'm proud of you. I'm proud of how you came home and you just took to the ground running, and

you should be saluted, you know what I mean. I feel like in this generation that they try to trying to take that away, and I don't want that to happen. I want us to always as a culture. And when I say as a culture, that doesn't mean ratio, that means hip hop. Believe hip hop is a race. Believe when you vote a couple of years you say you said you should check black then hip hop. Well look it's seriously, it's good that you guys got a platform like that because y'all able to give people a voice,

right so you said it earlier. How do you do it or how do you reach younger kids or speak? But it's platforms like this because it's not many, especially like what new artists you know what I'm saying, like St John like to be on the cusp or something, not trying to do it after it already took off and had success. What you would you know what I'm saying. You guys had a foresight to see that ship. So

it's platforms like this that that's what's helping hip hop. Well, well thank you, because this is what I want to continue to do. I want us a culture to continue to pick each other up because it's it's y'all bottle man. If everyone is riched and you know what, what what who can be the crutches? You know why? I don't forget how it goes, but nobody can forms. Everybody le each other crush exactly man. And while we're in that spirit too, you're giving flowers, fan your self some flower

you did a lot. Let's tell you something you don't never got to do because I wake up in the morning, I need myself flowers. Ain't day I'd be like, nigga, you the ship, you ain't gonna work flower girls. Yeah, I got higher myself myself, little girl, let's come out here. Yeah, grown up listening right now? He was wild nigger, right, I gotta n o y E stands. That's really stand for niggas on the running. I'm not hearing running, but I ain't that I wrote that album. You should take

a shot to that. Hold up. We got god there wrong with you? That one you don't like, doesn't worry. That's don't blowing up right. I'm figured other. Oh yeah, you gotta drink that one. Person. That's just oh yeah, you gotta drink that one. Like I ain't gonna miss a leaf. You can hit me a little heavier, hit

me a little I'm not going to driving me to night. Paul, Hey, you know you gotta remote that at the place we're in right now, Like when we came up, there wasn't a lot of different people of color that you could look up to that has success where you say, oh I can do that. It was just sports music or you was hustling. So now you've got people like Maverick lebron Right, Steve Stout, he was to do rich Rich Faul. Yeah, but that's all a part of Okay, that's that same fruit.

Because we're trying to get Anthony Davis, the Lakers man, we have to see all those people in the different you know, different businesses. It give us a lot of you know what I mean, young young kids hope at different apvenues to get out. So I'm not m imna wake up. I'm gonna wake up a flatbush and I know I got there, Zombi after this ship is good. Well, since when you becamele to kill a drinker, I've been drinking to skail for a few years, and jail was

count There wasn't killer the jail. It was but drinking to kill while I drink everything. Okay, now you're a really drinking. I don't know where literally beer came from. It was by the way. He started out as a rum drink. I've always been a rum drinking and then I was a bad turning. I was amazing, I was amazing. I've been just Bocardia. I mean, I like BOCARTI not to make this corper diplomatical for sure? Or what's the nick Robin Rosa? They I said, Rob Flood, you gotta

stop doing come home. Brother. Don't know about me drinking beer. No, I'm saying that it was funny because I used to drink beer all the time and used to drink the hard look because of my lady man and then my ladies to three yo. What's the game man, drink chance? I mean, you know what, we're family're gonna want to take pictures with y'all. So we want to thank you all, you know for just coming through because this is a real show. Come through again. Let's come through again. You're alumni,

you know. Say I got to get you a chain. Get you a chain? Now? How we cannot not talk about rocket fell Yes, I'm might use the backs to pass. Yes, I think I got it somewhere about so y'all know at that time I had two originals. I gave norin my original rocket of my neck. Where we were at in the village somewhere village so like my park, I remember we did that. Just think we took we took

the pictures. Never signed a contract. We worked the record the business running talk song of all time, work the record without the album. Yeah, that's a whole of that could have produced it. It's true, but in my undersigned the contract and we don't know when the show and listen, listen you wanted it. No, you ear his side and you know, you know singles have rocket fellow lows have a single. Yeah, this was some three h sign Now I got you sign it. I let little listen. We

paid for the video. Yeah, you know we did everything. No, it's not you. I like to get away with your story for Yeah. I was begging them. They were so rich. I was like, give me the contract. It was like we got you fam the nigga didn't care. I let you get a story. But that's how that's how they ran the building because Cam was supposed to do that. Every bird came was supposed to roll it over, like you know what I'm saying, like this roll because we're careful.

I was. I would have man, I would imagine because I was like you already, like just get to me, and he's just like, no, be good as long as things as long as these do. I wasn't like leaving listening. We're gonna bring the chain out so we can at least see what want I don't make. The boy with the un was on the listening. Man, I'm gonna duplicated. I'm going to Julia and be like you're making the gold some scritching, saying that motherfucker the tickets it gold. Like.

That's that's where the story gets complicated, because I had both, and I don't remember when I ain't gonna live as somebody gave him both. I was taking a lot of eggs and c and modegyang. Listen, man, I'm still affected, but by the ship I was doing back then. So I'm like, you know, sometimes I wake up, I don't be knowing what listen. I won't up. The other day I had an old dream that I'm smoking cigarettes, having smoke cigarettes in a year, make some money for that guy,

and the listen isn't my house. I'm I'm gonna turn up the balcony. Got there then when you're not not really you can't call it the terrorist. You ain't gonna lie. Yeah, but listen, listen, because we're keeping good body. We gotta get out of we gotta get out there. I gotta you know, I gotta fiss first. Please, don't want to go to the bathroom first. I've been holding this this whole time. I wanted to say thank you, guys. I wanted to say thank you because this is what it is.

This is a hip hop show for hip hop people, and we're gonna keep this ship hip hop st John Man. We don't understand what you're doing. We're proud of what the you doing. We want to be the first show to say that we knew that, to put you on here. We recognize. So when a year later or two years later, when you're the biggest thing in the world, I'm gonna be honest, We're gonna pull out this spot and say

we talk. We know that we will do that. Were like that claim your prop you gonna You're gonna give your credit because you know why one thing for show up to them a certain It's like he just said that about Jay earlier. He said he doesn't does jail do not for money. This is the same way. This dude ain't doing that for money. He's doing something because he's passionate about it, he believes, he believes in it.

He don't funk with any trust me. I try to get into funk with so many different things, and if he wasn't about it, he ain't about it. And that's that's that's genuine. You ain't gonna find that in this game. So um, you know, cherish that ship and make motherfucking couple of million dollars, my dude, and the next time Mr. Child's on, you got damn