Episode 165 w/ Freeway Rick Ross

Almost said Militiam in Crazy Rod Radio, Al wants you actually that right? Well, let me just tell you something. When we started this show, we wanted to big up people who are legend in this game and people who are groundbreakers. When we talk about this man right now, this man has broke the mold when it came to being entrepreneur. Rather than just lowering it's just drug dealing. He has took himself from nothing. I believe he started operation from three hundred dollars and the man made close

to a billion dollars in the age. The man has since his time, he's still here doing what he gotta do, saying in pride, you know, have his children, uh to the tests of times and was a part of the c I A contra controversy and he's still alive, still here to prove it. I was watching the documentary knowing documentaries, knowing I'm gonna see him today. Is still scared of this.

She's like, Oh, I think they're gonna kill him, like from back then, from back there, like you know the city that he enough Like if you don't know what we're talking to, we're talking about. We're talking about the legendary, the motherfucking monumentum freeway. Rick not one of the one of the one of the curious things that Mr Leak he posted the Champagne Police. Don't make it salid a gunshot, a lot of tangs in here. We don't like it.

Don't like that. So one of the one of the crazy things was you wasn't born in South central n You're actually born in Texas. But it was was five years old. We moved about four okay, maybe right right right before five okay. Because you know why it was funny because you're demeanor with sometimes when I see you, when I look at you. You You mind me of a little jack, And that's why I thought maybe, like you know, like it just did to me. You know man that

you know we come from the same area. You know, he from Houston. I'm from Tyland, right right, right right, So so goddamn, I don't know where the start. I told you to stop that. So first of all, I don't know if you know, but the drink chance, this is a place where we pick up our legends. We want to get on their flowers. Now. So many people when people passed away, they want to say how great they were, and you know, the bitch very and the people.

The people get up there and say how holyer than now and how much this guy changed to later at this point, we want to give people their flowers now. One of the craziest things in the world. And I knew we got Dominican hit, but I had always start a Dominican invented crack that Washington stories to the out side of the s is they they got the wild cowboys, right, the wild Cowboys. No, no, no, But you know what, after your story comes out, then the story is fixed.

But I always had grew up thinking that a Dominican kid from Washington Heights was playing with cocaine and just invented crack. Can you tell me my child hold sucked up because I was wrong? Can tell me first to my face, you can tell me you can't give a glass. Let's take it from there. Yeah, well I didn't invent crack, right, Okay, when I'm credit for its being the first crack you in the now. When I started, there was guys in the street that was already cooking up very few though, right, Um,

I got it from them. Okay, you know what I'm saying. And was the base first? Because base was like it was free base, right, freebasing was it was a real complex. This whole table would be full of chemicals when I first started, it was real complicated. Ether that's what Richard Prod got burned up. The Richard burned up. He was base. It was flatable, a lot of hazardous equipment. And then uh, one day when the homies came and he said, man, it's better when you use baking soda and U since

sounds healthier for something. That's from how we uh got the recipe? Right now? Who invented it? I really know you know the story? Ben? So Now when I'm watching what was it, Cracks in the System, that's my documentary, don't watching it. I forget who said, I don't forget. It was the c I A or Cia guy, or was the newspaper guy. And he said that when he when he further looked at it, it really wasn't like

it was racism. It wasn't really really like they was just trying to kill black They was trying to um get whoever blocks Michael vena agent who worked over in Colombia, Peru. Uh, and he was based out of New York. So that's who that was. And he said that he's one of the first ones to see it, uh, even before it got to the US at that time, talking about yeah,

it was paced. Yeah, and he knew that once it got over here that it was gonna have a devastating effect, but he didn't know where it was gonna have a devastating effect. Because when he's trying to say, it's like you're saying it was more political, Yeah, because it's racial. I had always I had always heard here on the controst. Again, nobody really know about the racist thing that that that happened. I mean, it's far just say, you know, did the

government and liberally put it in the community for blacks. Uh, that it was affecting certain neighborhoods at some point and let it keep going. Well, I've always heard um me growing up thinking I had always heard me growing up that it was actually invented for the black panthers to destroy them, like like, you know, get a couple of people again, I'm getting the East Coast. I'm play one years old, so I'm I'm a lot you know what i mean, younger than what's happening, but I'm old enough

to almost understand. So that's what I used to hear. What one of the things, you know, the black leaders always said that the government was bringing drugs into the country, right fact, Uh, Elijah Mohammed Malcolm x us No, No, they always said that it was a government that they were exactly. I mean, what what wind up happening with with with my situation is that it brought all of this for a front of the future and they had actual evidence for the first time where they could tie

a government operative directly with a street dug. Right now, when you were doing it, did you know the level you would at because you were the first one, so so like you all black Pablo basketball, So how like, well, you know you gotta you gotta look at it like this here. I was nineteen when I started. Damn, uh couldn't read, couldn't write. Then watch the news, uh All, I saw what the big homies was trying to do,

and I saw what they was making their mistakes. I went in and corrected their mistakes and made basically my own form of of getting down. I had no clue about the war, Nigga Rockwood, where my man was. I mean, I wouldn't ask my man where you live, you know what I'm saying. That's just something you just don't do that in the game. You know, Like if he wants you to know where he lived, he gonna take you

to his house exactly. You know what I'm saying. If he don't want you over his house around his wife and his kids, you don't go around his wife a kid. That's just how the game was. So I never really questioned how the whole thing was was was lined up. Now. He had mentioned to me before, Uh, we're fighting a war in my country and we gotta win to get out property iman back. So I understood that because I

was fighting from my land. When when you think he's saying that, you're thinking, you're not thinking soldiers at military, You're thinking thinking blessing cricks. Yeah, I would think that's what I was thinking. He had right, he's done with the Santhinisas and all that stuff like. Correct, he's in the Contract Dealing Act, fighting against the Sandinisas. I don't know nothing about the Sandinistas, I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

knew it was all covert ship going on. It was, but it was people in the country that knew that there was a war going on in Nicaragua, that America was fighting this war, and uh, that the contract had lost the war basically and they had to be pushed into the US. Uh. They also knew that these guys still wanted to win this war, and that these guys

that start selling drugs. I mean, the CIA admitted that in their report that eventually they became aware that these guys weren't just fighting the war over there with the money that they had got from the government, but they had took this money. Uh, my informant who was also my drug supplier, when he testified what's his name, you didn't know any of that, that he was any of that government was oh no, no, no, no, no no, no.

I thought. I mean, you know, when when you're growing up in South Central we have a dislike for the police, you know, I mean I didn't send on the curb when I was four fifteen years old, you know, getting the curve sho down, don't move, put your bike right there. You know, all y'all shitting on the curb. Don't nobody move. We're gonna run everybody. We're gonna make sure these bikes ain't still. So we already had a dislike for the police,

distrust for the police. So, uh, it was no way that we would have been informed that this operation was going on. You know, this had to be something where you was politically uh connected to really being a loop on this. And like one of the first time the police chase you, they shot at you, like a few times. It wasn't like put your hands up, it was like, let's kill them a few times. Well, you know, you know I got so big and I was able to

outmaneuver the cops. You know, they couldn't figure out why they couldn't catch me with no drugs, you know, why would they would raide my houses? And it would never be drugs in my houses. So they got mad. You couldn't live with Instagram, ball cameras, cameras. Oh no, no, absolutely correct, because back then we could hide more. You know, pody didn't know how you. Nobody knew how you love. They don't know how you dress. You know, they're looking for this guy driving around and you didn't have a

police record back then. No, I didn't have a continue This is crazy. So they didn't know. All they knew was Freeway Rick. You know, they don't know my full name, they don't know my address, they don't know who my girlfriend is. They don't know really nothing about me. The only thing that they know the first time that that that I got tipped about them about this this task force is uh, my gardener had had had came in the house one day and he was like, man, hold on,

let's make some lords for you. Having a gardener back of the day is just getting gardeners in the nineties. Right now, I mean the task force is not it's prior to d A. They're prior to d They just with what they did with the task force is City Hall had a meeting and they say that people in the neighborhood kept bragging about this young guy, freeway Rick, who's having all this money. So city council did it.

They had a meeting and they took five of the toughest police stations in Los Angeles and put them together and they called him the Freeway Task Force. These cops job was to bring me down. Um along the way, they started stealing money, robbing people, forging search warrants. I mean, they was some of the biggest crooks that you ever want to see. So um My Gardener was the first one that tipped me off to the Freeway Task Force.

I didn't know nothing about him, so he tipped me off, and Uh that started a whole another Uh what do he said, he's seen police coming around or something? No, he have. He brought me a newspaper article. It was in the newspaper. The city council had had this meeting and and so I didn't read the newspaper, so I wouldn't have never called it. But he brought it to my attention that it was in the newspaper and they had one of my houses inside the paper, where this

informant that they had called was talking about. My house was protected by the police. He said that every time he came over to Robb the house that it's always police in the area to protect the house. Now, I never saw that, you know, you're not. So that was my first time becoming aware of them. They had never raided none of my houses. At that time, I had no no police contact. I mean, we was like just running free and wild. You know, we at this particular house.

This is where our race cars. We didn't we didn't even have dope at that house. That was like our house where we kept our race cars. You know, we had top fuel cars and in approached our race cars and bikes and on the side was on the side of the freeway like we always stayed. You know, that's where I got the name from. Um. That was like our drag strip. So we just clowned and partied and you know, had mad sound equipment and barbecue and every day and people would just be coming in and crips

and bloods and you know, more like a meeting spot. No, no dope wouldn't be there and if they ready to house, you ain't gonna find no dope. Um. But we found out that they were watching that house. So that was the first time that we became aware of the Freeway Task Force. Not not only you, like, um, you were like the first person that at least back then, because we thought the Bloods and Crypts were really killing each other, like they couldn't be in the same vicinity. It was.

I remember, that's the first time I heard that there was a guy that dealt with the Bloods. Yeah. Well, you know what what happened is is what I found out, and a lot of my guys find out that when it came to money, guys will put their differences down. You know. It's it's very rarely that that that happened. But um, it started to be where crips was selling on blood streets and Bloods were setting on crypt streets, where they were more corporation than than than than the

world knew about. And it was just about making money. You know, when you're making money, you having fun. Do nobody want no killing and no shooting because it's gonna bring the cops in. So um, that was the first time that, uh that I had seen since the beginning. Uh, I reven want the Bloods and crypt Us play football against each other. It was like this neighborhood against that neighborhood. And they would come. And one day we were at

the beach. We broughe our bikes to the beach. When we got back behind beach, uh d is the one right by the house, the closest to the house, about five miles from where we grew up. So when we got back, we see the tape all taped off and the police is there. Well, one of the crips had killed one of the main bloods and that started the first clash UH in our area, which the crypts started

in our area. I thought Raymond Washington was a jacket or summer that was something that happened prior to that, uh at the Palladium or something that may have been later on down the line. Yeah, this was after h This was like when when the crips had first organized. Yeah this seventy maybe like seventy eight, seventy nine ish something like that there. Um, But how did you avoid um like being able to deal with both? Well, when I was young, I wanted to be a crip. Yeah, yeah,

I mean I was die hard on being a crip. Uh. But my mom was one of the ones that you know, you don't play with my mom and she didn't. She didn't whoop you, she beat you. My mom takes the telephone car, didn't whoop the belt switch? No, no, no, no, no, you're gonna break that belt. You're gonna break that switch to my mom will get the Stenson car. And uh when you went to school the next day, you had web marks on you high and then you don't want nobody to see you. So moms weren't having it. Um.

So when I got twelve, I started playing tennis. Yeah, and I did. I did at the Ash came down to our school, uh high school. I was. I was good enough to go to one of the best black tennis teams high school tennis teams, and in l A and Arthur Ash came out and gave everybody on the team awards and and played with like four the top guys. Uh. Yeah, I did get the meat Ash. One time, I would think neighborhood kids will try to take your rackets from your song tennis racket. What now you said, you little

figure role right now? Figure that's oh that's the bag because that was a part of the figure or South

Central sent you. Okay, who I always thought figure roys where the Prosser teams were Okay, I always thought that for some reason reading Donald Goings books or forget what author I've read, Figure Roller, I always thought it was in the big area when Figure Roy is one of the main UH through ways in Los Angeles, it's like maybe the second or third biggest street in in l A. And then Figure World runs side by side with the

One Team Freeway. They separate each other, and my house set right in between Figure Role and the One Team three. So that's where Freeway. That's where Freeway came in there. Now, did you hold on before I get to the rap shot, I don't want to go to the just still up the drop skid. You got something going in my notes, I mean it goes beyond you helped Denzel Washington. That was that was HARRYO. Harris. Michael Harris did that. You didn't need the Baker, But I didn't even using a

part none of that you. I mean, And Harry was we was we was cool, you know, we was potting this. But I wasn't a part of him with his with his play checkmate. We were we were kind of like almost like uh, kind of like rivals but not really rivals, you know what I'm saying, Uh, Because he claimed, Uh, I set actually right. I think he was blood. I think he grew up with the blood. But then he

you know, he ran with the sixties too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you know when when when you become a certain statish in the in the game, you have have to transcend past that gang banging you know what hoo did you from? What set you from? Uh? Even like with me, I didn't gang bang, but my neighborhood is Hoover, and everybody considers me even as jail, the Hoovers told everybody I was Hoover, even though I say no, I ain't Hoover. I say no, you Hoover. So it's still

hard to transcend that. But I still deal with the sixties, which was Hooverish number one enemy. That's my next question. How you think you were saying that? But well, you know, you just have to be bigger than than than the situation, and and a lot of times you have to make up your own mind. Like me and Big You, you know we men, Big You like that Big up for you were about to get get him in this game.

Bring yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my man. Big You doing some big things out there too, you know, um, but men, Big Ben Partner's uh Pete Whack who Who's I don't know how much time Whack doing right now. He might be doing about forty years. But he's one of the founders of the sixties and we've always been cool. So I was able to transcend the neighborhood politics. You know, I didn't allow the politics to dictate which direction I

was going to. You know why, you're a strong minded person because me being from the East Coast and not seeing the blood and I see in the crypt when I seen it on television, I automatically was gravitated towards that life, like I automatically wanted to study it, automatically

wanted to be a part of it. So when you'll be involved and be able to say, you know what I'm gonna be, that's probably like the most disciplined plenary and type of ship I've ever heard, you know what I'm sa And you know, us as blacks, we don't have much that we can be a part of, you know what I'm saying. So that when I was coming up to see the cameravity with the Cripts and the Bloods, you know what I knew been putting to the founder of the Blood. That was my man be putting up.

Matter of fact, right before he died, I was trying to get big putting to write a book. I was still locked up. Yeah, I talked to you too, I believe when I was locked up. I don't know as soon as you got you just got out of print. Windy Day. But Wendy Day, Okay, I was not throw out on the phone. Told I talked to you through um what's my homeboy from the Jungles? Uh? Yeah, many, I think Windy it was really okay okay, because she was telling me about when he was getting out. You know, Wendy.

You know Wendy Day, help everybody. Ye, yes, you in jail, Winy Day, and you got a reputation when Day big up the Windy Day. That's absolutely and that's my girl. Let me hit you with this this this, this word, because this messed me up. Continuous criminal spree. Yeah, that's the words that got me out. I still don't understand, like like when you said that the difference. You can't understand the difference between okay, career criminal okay, and a

continuous criminal spree. A career criminal is somebody who commits a crime, go to jail and it does it again, get out and then do it again. A continuous criminal spree is meaning that you're committing crime over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, but you have been arrested. So it's a continuous criminal spree. But

I don't know the difference. Sounds good, okay, So one means so continuous spree means you're doing it, doing it without getting caught, right, So if you uninterrupted, okay, that's a spree. So that's how you'd be your case. Because they said that you had the three strike law, because they used that as they said that my case was a three strike. I was a three striker even though I don't eve been in jail one time. So I figured out that what I was doing was a continuous

criminal even though it was in different states. See, they thought because I was setting open Texas and Cincinnati and Louisiana and St. Louis that all of those was different arrests. Right. But what I tried to have to get them to understand is that it was a continuous criminal spree that was uninterrupted and in order to be a career criminal, you have to be brought to your senses. See, and you're not a continued uh career criminal if you're not brought to your senses. If nobody ef yeah, I mean

I got, I got my public defender. You know, he's working with me and he's writing everything up. But this as you reading yourself, I still can't right there. Well, you know I couldn't write the briefs and none of that, but I know what I wanted my brief You know, I read, so you read. I read the books to know what the briefs supposed to say and and and uh, like I said, I was. I was in the books

all day. I started too. When you came across those words, you understood those words immediately, absolutely absolutely, because like I get what you're saying, but it's still complicated, like what you're saying, Oh, no question. The judge didn't understand it. She didn't understand you. She just didn't understand my prosecute. My lawyer didn't. I paid that dude a lot of money due the dude who did my peel. The dud who did my peel wasn't in love the judge, the

guardian who went to trial with me. My trial lawyer said, hey, man, that little money you got left, put it on your books. Keep that because you're gonna need it. You got a lot of time to do. In fact, I had to go with another dude who hadn't even talked to me, you know what I'm saying before, So I had to get him to understand what I was saying too, because he didn't really understand it either. They was all more

can serned about crossing state lines. So you're saying, if you got caught twice, the nick could have proved that you was, it would have been a correct convicted twice. You could have you got caught more than twice, but convicted, right. And I've been convicted twice. But it was the same criminal spree I went to. I went to Texas and I said, I'm guilty. I went to Cincinnati, I'm guilty, Louis, I'm guilty. But it was still I never got out of handcuffs. See, they took me from one state to

the next day to the next day. I was never bout the handcuffs. I was always like this here everywhere I went. It wasn't like I got out and I'm friend, and then I started slinging again and got caught. It was like, oh no, you've been in this state this day. Then we all been looking for you. So when they got me, everybody want a piece of me. Wow. So let me let me ask you something that's a little

off subing, but it's on subject right. How could every movie or every every like ending to something always says this is the last one, like this is the last And when I'm watching your document should be you're saying you're out, you came home, you build a community setting. It's hard, man, It's hard not to go back, you know, to the whale. You know, when everything's get tough and uh, you have a tendency to go back to your habits. You know. Like a person who started trying to stop

smoking cigarettes and his wife started acting up. He picked up a cigarette. You know what I'm saying, something go wrong. He picked up a cigarette. So with me, my crutch had become selling cocaine. Cocaine made everything better for me, no matter what was going on. I could go sales from cocaine and get it up right, acting up, I

gonna make some money now she felt good. You know what I'm saying, uh, so so so we have a tendency to go back to crutches, and cocaine have become for me a crutch because one of my how we were so poor. Right, let me tell you I was the first time when I got to jail, I run across the dude I went to junior high school with right and uh when we run into each other with man, you Joseph Petrie and he's like Rick. Man, He's like, and I heard about you, but I didn't believe it.

I was like, what you mean? He I couldn't believe you made that kind of money. I said, why not? He said, Man, you was a poor dude in the neighborhood. He said, I remember when used to take tennis shoes, tennis balls to your tennis shoes to keep your feet from being on the ground. And you and your brothers U should change pens with the same pants every day. We all knew y'all was running each other's so so to to too come from there to wonder where I

wound up. Money had become my escape. You know, that was like everything that I wanted. I didn't want nothing else. I wanted to to to fix my mama. Floors. I wanted to put windows in her house. I want a new carpet in her house. I wanted to have a new kitchen. Uh, to do the things that I felt would make her life the way I thought that should be. You know, this is my mama, that's how she should

be living. And uh, that was my goal. And then nothing else really matter, and um let's make some looksture. I got that. That's real ship. That's a real ship, like you know, Uh no, no, we'll do a little bit more than them. To come back to that. I got so much going on in my head. Yeah, you got so much to a very interesting guy, like and I think about it, let's getting more in the resting up. And I think about it as this. A lot of people would have been in your position and came home

and did it again. Well you know, I mean I did it that second time time. You know, I did the food that second time when you as famous that second time or like you know what I'm saying in the streets, I was like the dog boys knew me. It's it's it's almost like right now, you know, like like uh now you TMZ famous. Don't work around nigga, don't work around. Still, it's still it's still when what I what I know about my my famousness because I study,

I study everything that I do. I study. Um, the people who like me usually dough boys first of course, next hustlers, hero and athletes. So it's really a male base of guys who are trying to get money or who like money, either one both of those already the same. You can't separate the two. That's my fan base. Those are the people who who bought my book, you know, like it was guys in the street brought my books. And man, I can't even read Rick, but fuck it.

You know, I learn so much from you from the videos and when you went to trial, and I used that ship right now, So uh, I understand who support me and who who who liked me? You know what I'm saying. And I also know that those the motherfucker's who run the streets, you know what I'm saying. That's why I can feel comfortable by going to any city in this country and don't have no problems because the dudes who run them streets funk with me. Well, you was,

you was the literally the first co king kingpin. Well, I mean, because you know we got we got young basketball here. We're gonna bring him in. Um. But have you ever have you ever ran into other than the nicka rockingans? Have you ever been like Colombians or like anybody other than that level? Because I imagine you they ain't had to be ringing bells with all the cartoon. I mean, you know, I should come down here, you know with the Nigger Rock. This is the where they

had their meetings that with uh. This is where the Colombians and the Nigga Rock was just meet right here in Miami. I was coming to Miami two you know. Uh. They would make me come in and come to the meetings and sit down and tell them what we could do. You know how many kids we could move. I remember the first time I came down here, man, and it's in the book too, and UH and they had me. I brought all my money down me. I brought like six hundred thousand, six fifty. That was every time of

the plane. Yeah, we flew in on the pane with my boys. We flew in on the planes. We went to UH, I think we went to us. We went to Jackson because we didn't want to come into Miami with Miami Jackson, Jacksonville. Yeah, we went to Jackson and we took a round. We drove down so we do the deal. I bought a doll and when we finished doing the deal, we had fire hollars, no car, no plane tickets, and no money at home. So we're sitting in a hotel room with twenty bricks and we like,

I was gonna get this ship on your drivers. Like, so we buy, we buy, Uh, we buy suburban. We bought old subourban. I think we paid like twelve hundred dollars for it. Man, and uh, we're rolling back. We stopped in Georgia. We rest in Georgia, but this country. Yeah, we drove all the way back to l A. Listen, I blow the motherfucking car up in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm following the diesel truck. It's raining like a motherfucker, right, but we're seen to be rich. I'm going to be rich.

So we're rolling. It's about eleven o'clock at night. My boys asleep. I hear him. I said, man, the truck ticking. They said, what we told you, don't drive this motherfucker too fast. I'm trying to get home. So well, just like and this blew up right right on the side of the highway. So yeah, we call over. We grabbed the bricks out there, back the suitcase, throw them in some bushes, called the toad truck to come get us.

Told truck come get us. Now we're in Tennessee. We got like three fifty dollars, no driver license, no more money, and nobody to call. So twenty bricks, twenty bricks. The toad truck take us with the twenty bricks because we throw the bricks back in the car. Once the toad truck cook up, we're fend the road. So he takes us to a junkyard. Oh white dude, Man, I never forget this dude. Dude, coolest motherfucking New World. Man. I

love that dude. I wouldn't have made it without him. Man, that that favorite he did for us helped us out a lot. So we did. He's like, man, it's something funny about you dudes. Man, none y'all got driver license, y'all can't get a rim car. What's going on with y'all? So we got the bricks in the back of the car that broke down. So he said, you know what,

you see that old truck over there. It was a little small forward you all truck a little little bit one and he said, uh, y'all give me three hundred of hollars and uh man, we took that. We got to Vegas. We drove with all the way across country. My boys was big too. Man, there's about six too, so his legs is all over and we're sticking. It was the stick shifts. We're hitting each other. But we got to Vegas, man, and the boys came and picked

us up, and we was like, man, we are. So we took that and that was our first time hitting a million dollars after we dumped that. Now, let me ask you something. Was the cocaine cheaper in Miami or at that time it was. That's the reason why, because because that's where we always heard like colways coming to cheap. Though back then it's like forty five thousand of keybows, But in l A it was like two d was

cheaper for that sunder. Just because I'm from New York, so I need to know I'm she wasn't New York. We wasn't even going to New York, New York. Then when started going to New York to like eighty five Jesus. So everybody from Miami was bawling. Yeah, and Miami was Miami was a place, you know, that was the word. It was a port entry at that time. You know, the columedies was coming here. That wasn't before the columedy start coming in to to l A. You know, once they

found out that l A was a bigger market. I guess then they started pointing in the l A. And uh that's when the price you know, the price war started because like I said, when we first first kilo we bought, we paid like forty five forty seven four but ounces, you know, we should pay thirty three seven thousand, forty seven thousand po kilo, but ounces we should pay the first ounce I brought up pay thirty two two d two hundred ounces of cocaine, and so I had

to break it down and make gold and make like nine thousands all for one ounce. O what's my man? You said you gave him? He he read up with eighteen hundred. He gave him two ounces and he sold it out on that what's his name? He's a coach now, Uh, you're talking about coach Ward or you're talking about Han Cho. Uh, probably I think you're talking about Hancho. Know well he said he sold it out the same day. Oh you talk about coach Ward. Coach Ward? Coach Ward? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

what coach was? He was a little football player, you know. And those are kind of guys that I you should look for, you know, I should look for it for dudes that was discipline. Hit me up. Yeah, I got you coming for you right now. But look at that person. It's my birthday. We're gonna celebrate. Why didn't nobody telling us his birthday? I don't already celebrate that ship no way thought? Yeah yeah, coach Ward, he was a young dude, you know, and those are the dudes I should look for. Man,

good dudes, you know, ain't getting high? U trustworthy? You know you can give him something that a rule in your crew, don't get high. Because I noticed that. I tried to try to implement that. But you know, dudes don't listen. They'd rather be high and have money. And that's my next book. Whatever I did you ever around? Did you ever try I tried to go about a week, maybe two weeks a week? Now, what did you try to dry cold? I went hard because all realness back then,

cocaine was looked at like the rich man. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I wasn't getting I wasn't using it because well I was too. But let me say this here. How the reason I didn't use because when I first got involved, if the homies all told me like, if you don't get high, you're gonna get rich, little motherfucker, because I was like considered young. I was nine team, but I was like young for the dudes who was involved with with with with coke at that time. Um,

I mean the Graham was three hundred dollars. So the only motherfucker's could have for it was like pimps, glorious doctors. So motherfucker's like me and under me, they really didn't have no money. You know, I have money because I have no sense to hang out with the pimps and and uh that's how I really became exposed to the game from hanging out with them. But at that time, man, it was it was so damn expensive that did nobody did. Nobody had no money to get that. Could you think

you could you think the error? And again we're not glorifying I pople understanding that this is fact. FU facts it's history. You think you think a person could do it on your level the way you did it back then, Like like you know, you ever ever meet Don Diva the FATS magazine. It's hard. It was like, man, this this kid might have did it more bigger than me. Like it's hard. You know, it's really hard to h to duplicate that system. But you know, these kids are

smarter now, you know what I'm saying. They they learning how to manute. Now. I couldn't manuver in this system, you know, Monet taking pictures of me. I'd have been like hold up, man, you know it's a total different error. You know, like now you know, like my nephews come and show me the dudes is selling dope on the internet and all that. You know, it's crazy. Yeah, hey,

but they're doing it right now. So you know, I don't know how they're doing it, how they's working, you know with us, you know, we're here in the shadows, you know, when we got down. But it's a different era. But for some reason, these kids are gonna figure out how to make it work, you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure that there's somebody out there that's that's I mean, you know, like Big Meat. Did you know Big Meets came up with a formula that worked during

that time? And I'm sure that there's somebody else right now who's figure out how to, uh how to beat the system. Now, that's that's funny you bring up Big Meets because one of the Big Meech's biggest downfalls. The people would say it's it's just flashiness. Yeah, was like, you know, I remember going to a club kid you not. It was fourteen of them and they had fourteen Lamborghinis outside. I was like, there, no one crived with someone else

quick I was doing. I didn't leave me to after he failed, Okay, yeah, after he failed, you know, Wendy hooked us up and she wanted me to uh work with him with his case and talk to him and men him was writing through Wendy, so, uh, I was corresponding with him and he told me what that offer when they offered him the deal, and I gave him my personal opinion on on the deal. You know, I didn't think that uh. I didn't think they had any

issues on winning this case. Uh and and I thought that he should take the deal even though it was thirty years. You know, I know, dudes that I wish they would have took the thirty right now. They didn't did thirty and still going because they didn't take the deal. So I thought that it was in his best interest

to take the thirty year deal. But and in in in the life that you guys live, it's being flashy bad like how like you know, before John Gotti, we really we knew of the mafia, but we didn't know what about like you know, and I'm coming from Queens where he's from. So when y'all guardy start flashing and he started actually claiming that character, do you think that was bad for business? Like? Absolutely absolutely, my guys, man,

one of them just got out to man. Little Tommy. Uh. Little Tommy was like eighteen years old, he had two Rose Royces. Uh. Jermaine Jackson had bought a Ferrari and didn't have all the money to get it out. Jamaine Jackson. Yeah, Jermaine Jackson. He had a terrest test Rosen. He had the first testar Rosa party in the country. And the Testarossa was sitting in there on the showroom floor and Little Tommy passed by and saw it, and he walked in and he told them, man how much for the testarosa.

So the man told him the price and they said, Tommy gave him ten thousand extra. You know, can tell Jermaine to wait till the next one. That's so. And then he wrecked that one and everybody was laughing, and he went back and bought another one. So, uh when when they did this, it tipped the police off to what we were doing because uh, for a while, um, the police and know what we were doing. Like when when you know, I got the sheriffs and died. It the cops that was doing all of the stealing and

okayument yeah, I had to. I had to take care of them. Was hurting the hood. They were stealing and robbing. There's being robbing and robbing and then with sendail. They would rob you and send you to jail. I'm like, I can go with being robbed, but you ain't gonna rob me and put me in jail, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, I had the problem investigator to investigate them. I spent a hundred thousand, my lawyer. I go see my lawyer. So they're just ready my girlhouse. Right. No,

you never had no dop my girl house. How I know we ain't forgotten no dope in there, you know, because you know how you sometimes you know we do. We used to keep by doping cars. You know. That's how we beat the cops. They didn't understand the car game. You know, you go to the trunk in the car, moved the car a block or two down the street. Never see until you need it. Um, they're never gonna know. So we always kept out doping cars. So sometimes we

will forget. And they had ten fifty keys in the trunk of the card the car and open the trunk and I know how ship in here. So I'm saying when they waide their house and sit, damn, we need that ship in there on the hexadent or something. You know. Maybe one day we were left it under the state. Well cash. If they had said cash, I would have said yeah, you know, yeah, you know when they said dope.

But they said dope. You know this, my girl. You know what I'm saying something like, no, I ain't buying that, So I gonna tell my lawyer, right and I'm like, man, I know it won't doping now. He said, oh no, you gotta have you had to at least him dough man, I ain't lefing to dope in her house. So he said, oh, so you're saying that crooked. He arguing with me. I'm this motherfucker, right, He argued with me. I said, I said, man, weren't no dope in there. So he said, well, do

you think they croocket get a private investigator? Because I never thought about it. I ain't know nothing about no private investigator. You know what I'm saying. I ain't never been the court. Yeah, So I said, well, man, who was a private investigator? So he put me up. I had a private investigator. I gat do the hundred grand And so dude followed the cops around everywhere. They when he went, okay, this is yeah. So he followed them around and uh, he started bringing me back to evidence.

You know, not only from my crew, but they were also doing the same thing to other crews. Um eventually they had a hundred fifty people that was in prison. And when when they finally arrested me and indicted me, I hand the investigation over to the prosecutor and like, I don't know what y'all trying to do, but these dudes here then will be your witness. We got too much dirt on them, so they let a hundred fifty

people out of prison. Wow, So they're like sending my my notorieties and Big Putting, the founder of the Bloods, was one of the guys who who who eventually got out, And I didn't even know, you know, Putting was one of my guys who he was. He was getting this stuff from me. Uh, But I didn't know that the cops had set him up until we all sitting in there together and he was like, yeah, man, that motherfucker's

followed me from your house. This is another time where the officers start talking about the judge because they had the judge on another same case. Yeah, that's the same thing. That's the same case. How I knew to be smart like that, and I didn't the lawyer put me up. But I was just I was just keen to what he was saying. You know, when he telled me, he telled me that he don't believe they're doing it. This motherfucker. He's so smart, you don't believe they're doing it, right,

You think I'm lying a little. But back then it did probably sound crazy because we wouldn't we hadn't hand. No. So this this is probably one of the craziest cases ever in the history of police force. You know, and you know Rampart was offshoot of the Freeway Task Force. Remember the Rampart case were the dudes was stealing the money and doing all the stuff that came out in Let's not training day like based off of that. Training day is based off of that, but it was deeper

in training. That training day didn't even touch the surface. You see these cars in my face, all this flashlight therapy while I was handcuffed, handcuffed my legs hog time the dog. The dog bite me and they hit me in the head with flashlight steal flashlights. They got these big long ash steel flashlight names cracking you in the head. I mean, you go out and then they wake you up. I'm gonna be honest to this day, l a p D.

Is still the scariest niggas ever. A lie, I'm legal forever and radio l A p D. I'll be looking like that. I'll be looking like I don't know why I looked all the way, man, I don't know. I was scarting that most races. Yeah, and they got black and white cars. They just they chest rated the shares sheriffs, the green cars though no chrifs black and white to both boy black and white ones just got chef road on it. The riff run the county jails, you know,

they run the jails. They just got them for having uh this coat, this white coat colt speaking body, they got coat. I said that these these guys they own boat too. They got so they was in jail having dudes fighting with each other, uh, just doing all kind of insane ship and the fiends just arrested, you know, they arrested their head Chaff. He's in jail right now.

But yeah, for the same stuff that he was allowing this this activity be going on inside of our jails, and um, all of that's just continuation of what had started back in the eighties. Now in l A. It's so like racial, like that's the most racial. Um when it comes to streets, it comes to the streets is like real rate. Like in business, this Mexicans in the same meeting, it's blacks in the same meaning. But when it comes to streets of l A, it's it's really segregated.

Blood absolutely scripts. Then there's Mexicans and then there's Asians. You are at the level you was at. Did you have to deal with each every game? We already know we were estab. I didn't really. I didn't really deal with with Mexicans until I went to prison. Okay, when I was on the street. Um, the black community was so strong then that I didn't really need to come outside of that that community. So I was able to

to to other than getting the drugs. I could stay inside of my little comfort zone and and and make like I wouldn't if you walk up to me and you was white, I what you're talking about? You know you wasn't even interested in white cousin He's making a was not. I didn't need that because I had the cream of the black market. So this feasts, don't go forget your thought. But my neighborhood, that was our goal was to have like Barney coming from Rego Park to

come to off like this real nickname party. And we used had his white lady named trans Am. She she used to come through in a trans Am, but she used to come to and buy like a five hunting pack. Like you know, to us that I was huge. But your goal was that I had the whole community, right what what what my guys depending on those you know, or they guys who was on the streets setting the fifties.

And but I had got to a position where I wasn't selling less than like twenties, thirties, forties, fifties huntreds, you know, so I didn't really need um. You know, Barney coming through a five runter trying running one of them doing five hundred dollars right, give it to her exactly, exactly, exactly exactly. You know. I had. I had a guy that wrote around with me every day to give our money.

That was his job. When people walk up to me at the gas station, Oh my mon is and give me a five hundred, give me three hundred, you know. And he was taking him out the one dollar bag and he like many pocket put together. Where is that y'all? Do? Man? Man you see to fight the other day back back here before you go jogging. He just hand out money for real. That I mean, you got on some man back this don't know. He was robbing for real. He was selling coking giving it back with a lot of people.

They look at that as as as paying taxes, That's true. When I looked at it, is taking care of the hood. You know. I was in Jamaica one time and uh, flow out there. This dude name't do this right and do this had had the whole community. Like I didn't ask what he did. He had had the whole community. And we had to fill my video there. We had to pay him, and he wanted to meet me. I met him in the cave and too to three years later in the cave, well two three years later, I'm

sitting there watching um the news. You know you're making you better know, dude, who do what this is? I've watched the news and I had I know idea. I have met the biggest drug dealing and to make it. And I'm sitting there and the whole neighborhood would not give this thick up for like three or four days. They was backing down the pool. Whatever the whatever this happened. Now, when you're feed the hood, they're gonna look at the hood. Will hold you question? That was my question? No, oh no,

no you ain't. You ain't playing. It's like one time I had a little incident, right, I had about it. I don't know what happened, but I had like ten keys and I was at my mama's house. In the car that we've been keeping him in. The homies needed it, so I take them out, and my mama's fence and my next door neighbor garage sit right next to each other, so I had a little hole in the middle of it. So I said, I'm gonna just throw them in between the fence and the garage until I get ready for him.

So I threw him in between the fence. I'm just chilling, you know, I'm gonna play me some basketball and to the fellers get back. So my mama called me. She said, hey, Mary, say she got your package. I said, what she got my package? So what I'm saying is that the neighborhood. And she took my package and put it in the house. You ain't gotta keep it back there. You're righting in the house. And this is a lady that's like seven

years old, you know what I'm saying. So when you're taking care of the neighborhood, even though she wasn't making money off of me, her grandkids was okay, and she appreciated what I was doing for her grandkids, and she was showing the love back from that by you know, making sure my thing was good. That's one thing about you know, hustling, um is you can turn you can turn it around if you want. I mean, you can

do good with the bad that you're doing. Like you know, I know so many um Kenny Anderson, It's from my hood and I remember, uh, well he's a couple of years old to me, but I remember him trying to like, you know, him having a cold spreak, being in college and trying to go to the NBA and him having a cold speaker, trying to ask somebody to hustle, and every drug dealer just just told him to shut the funk up for the every drug deal amount count and eat up and pay for whatever the funk he needed

at that time. And he had he had to do ship. Well, you know, the same thing with a little D. You know, a little D from the Bay Area. You know, he just got out I'm d too short in a big home. Yeah, that's my little man, you know, he yeah, you know, being him man when he was about man, he couldn't have been more than seventeen. I met him and miss the Fast Store of the Bay Area. Yeah, that's what he told me. He was here there. Yeah, actually the

first time he introduced me to him. He was about seventeen years old, and one of my boys put up in the van. He's been telling me about little d You know, he had been hitting me, but he wanted to go directly to me. So, uh he had he had connected us, and uh, you're a little dude. Was like, I said, how much money you got me? Seventeen years old? You had a million dollars, So you know, it was like it didn't matter how old you was. It's just a matter if you had the game to to to

to to put it down. So uh, it was just so many ways and so many different dudes that was was getting their money that I didn't need to go outside of my community. You know, you got dudes coming throwing down five hundred, six hundred thousand, so you know, off a six hundred thousand out a deal. If I put a hundred out of that for myself, I'm happy. At one point, you were making more money than Magic motherfucking jobs, you know. And uh, how did that feel?

With Magic sign this contract? Right and they put in the paper, I think he was getting like one point two billion. I was like, damn, I'm glad I don't play basketball I'm not gonna lie, you know hard that statement one. It was like damn ship. It was like, damn man, he only gonna make two million dollars in Yeah, he in trouble. Wow, that is crazy, man, that is crazy. So now come on, everybody, everybody could who was close,

come over here to go. So you're in jail, you probably reading, you're doing whatever, and I'm rebuilding and rebuilding. I'm rebuilding and I'm like what I did because I got exposed a fair time when I went to jail. You know, somebody put me up on him, right, A couple of Muslim brothers, just like, man, you don't know about fair Con. You don't know about Malcolm X. I ain't never heard of Malcolm X. I ain't never heard about fair Come. You know I knew took it big on.

You know Tony Stacy's cartoon big quick. What do you mean so mussling brother? One day he was like, man, come on, go to service man. You ain't doing nothing today. You know you ain't giving no tennis lessons because you know that's to my husble and that you was giving tennis lessons. Um, So I go to serviceman and uh, I see Farakhan for the first time in the jail. Yeah. So I'm checking him out. Man, I'm listening to how you talk, and he's like, oh, the black man is God.

Black man can do anything. Like what is the smuggeran talking about it? sEH lost his mind. I'm a dun't eat. I'm a get sir. You know, I'm appos to sell dope all my life. I'm not getting back out. You know. We're doing the same thing, like I just sits the first bit. Okay, So I'm checking him out and you're gonna You're gonna get me. Loaded's okay, you burny, don't drink, It's okay, but I don't drink. Man drinking today. Bring your birthday. Listen to celebrate your birthday. We celebrate in

your life and most important, we celebrate your survival. And I don't want to cut you up because listen to man, this black man who could kill every day for doing the for a spectrum of what you did to life the society for you to live. I think that that should be celebrated. I think it should be a charnished I mean, I think it should be a love. I think that you know every I think that what you're doing is honorable, because you could have just said, you know why I did this and fun up people like

and that's it. But you're out here trying to make a fu change a change that's motherfucker. That's sucking dope. You know what, I'm gonna read the books. You know what I'm saying that the books. But let me ask you, because I see, I see what's going there. But let me ask you. So when you first heard hustling every day, I'm hustling every day, I'm hustling and it's time flattered, flattered, and you said that's high. Yeah, alright, was flatter and at the same time. So I don't really know how

to feel about this thing. So I get on the phone. I started calling people in who know this story, you know, because I still got my music. You know, I found alcoholics while I was in prison. But wait, the group that yeah that's got signed just put them down with Kee Tee. No, ken T put them down with me. Ken was my man. You know, if I if I listen to Keithie, I'll be the key of hip hop. Right now, I slipped on hip hop, d J Pool and key T try to get me do hip hop

right before I was going to need a baker. But what I did is I went with the dudes with the I see Oldis Smith had at that time, Otis had Johnny Taylor the whole mag and then it convinced me to go with him. He took me to Dick, Griffy Berry Guardy and they all say hip hop is a fad. I was tipping with hip hop, but I didn't get all the way in it because them too, them, them dudes had convinced me that it wasn't gonna last.

But I had them like this here, but I didn't know that I should be telling them what to do instead of that. Then King t is telling you, telling me hip hop is the one. What I'm saying, it's crazy. So you would have been the first death ro Really this here, really listen to this here, and listen to this. I go to this house, I go to this house. Right Who who stays at one of my girl's house? Sometimes? You know what I got. I got like four girls,

and I say house and house house. You know when the girls ain't when I ain't there, they bring when their little cousins over somebody and you know from company. So my one girl, My one girl. Her little cousin is a goop what's called man Cap who was the first group on our records. Um, that was her little cousin. Her other cousin was another dude named Tail who who DJ. Pooling was like this. So they would be at my

house all the time. I would come over. Theyre being they're making beef bla blah blah blahla beating on the table and all that ship and they're like, man, you want to do Pools record. You know, he's gonna work with L cool J. And he's doing this and he's doing that, and so you know, maybe maybe because you're the financier of the hood. Obviously I got the bread. I don't know what to do with all the bread

I got. It's hard to hide this ship. We put one down the bill with the people garage and they're cutting holes in the back of the garage and taking the safe out. So, uh, Pool takes me over to this house and I go in to apartment. Wasn't the house in his apartment? So I go in this apartment and so forty motherfucker's in there. They're laying all over the floor and looked worse than my crackhouts. So I'm like, what the funking on here? Is this? What y'all? They

got wires everywhere turntables? I'm like, fuck. So when I leave on the Bay, should I messed with the motherfucker's with the high rises in Beverly Hills olders Smith did Griffy? Or should I mess with these young for seventeen years old? Who tell me he needs two hundred thousand? Oh, it's just tell me he needs six. I already gave him the six Huntred, So now I'm the banging. Should I get Pool two hundred? See? Pool would have told me he needed forty thousand to do album, which where the

rap album was costing at the time. I would have gave it to him. He's trying to go big. He was trying to go big, and I just gave oh the six hundred. So I was like, I ain't ready to put this kind of music on, this kind of money into the music industry right now. W A out yet out y'all? From I go me Dre when I get out of prison, out of it. This is the first time to get right now like years ago and I d when I was in jail, but I never

met him. So I go to his house about five six years ago, right right before we was doing Cracking the System, because Dred told me when I was in jail, He's gonna do the soundtrack. He said, whatever you do, I'm gonna do the soundtrack for you. So I go over to his house and we're talking about doing the soundtrack. He was like, wait, you don't remember that house. I said, yeah, I remember, I came over there. He said, I was in that house the day that you came jord. Wow.

So when it when it hit me, it was like, oh fuck. You had an opportunity to have doctor Dre at that time, and really I had to hold because I had Oldis Smith and did GRIFFI was the first distributors. They were the first independent distributors of black music. Uh. Did Griffin New negotiated Shugs deal within the scope. I don't know if you know that he negotiated that. That was me and Harryo with Sally's when they started Death Roll.

That's when they first first started. When they first started Death Roll, I met Sill to day Harryo met Shill. I was in the same room with with the day before she'll got in me and Harry. Oh, David Kenner was sitting uh the attorney booth, and Harry told David Kenner, I'm gonna make you more money in the music business than you ever made as an attorney. I was sitting in that room when he told him that we was

in jail. It was in m d c. L A downtown. Wow. Well, you know, HARRYO have been in in in Pelican Bay, which is considered it's like solitary confinement where where all you got to do is read books, read newspapers. It's really the high profile maximum security. That's where they put like the worst are the worst. You dudes who came who can't walk to mind uh, too violent, too much pool. You know, the don't want you to get no mail and then want you're talking to nobody. You don't get

no visits and why you ain't go there. I didn't go to the state. I went to the Y's right, that's right. You know, Harry went to the state because he had a kidnap, attempted murder. So I said, now back back to Rick Ross, right, So back to I'm sorry Rick Ross right. So the first time we're you robbing okay, okay, real quick, before the Freeway come to you first. No no, no, no, no no, let me let me, let me, let me because Freeway, even though he came out before Rick Ross, I feel like Rick

Ross was more, that meant more to you. Yeah, but I just want to know timeline was that had free Way already come to you? He didn't come to me either. Okay, so let's take it from there. I so you're in your in jail obviously, Uh yeah, um, every day I'm hustling. Yeah, what's just something that you can relate to? Absolutely, that was my saying. And then did you know that when the people played this record, this artist's name was Rick Ross?

Or did you you knew that prior to listen? I knew before the record came out, you know, And yeah, we was. I was studying the music business because I had sought my mistake. You know, I'm like in there, like you know you've done? Motherfucker? What the fun was you thinking about? You had you had it in your hands? How did you How did you let this get out your hands? So I'm in jail, networking, you know, turns in the windy days, and people had already told you

as an artist coming out named Rick Ross. The magazine, the magazine before you ever hit you know, we get all the magazine. We didn't. We didn't, said, yok we didn't. We didn't. We didn't hear Rick Ross two. We actually heard the actually you know, I mean, y'all hear the magazine. What was that magazine that was coming out of the South. Julia Beverley, she loved him. That was her boy. She blew him up man, she got she I think they might have been fucking. That's how we thought that jail

it was. That's how she was on. Okay, So back first, at first, every day you're hustling. It's a great record, amazing, great, great record. Every hustler had to love that, had to love that. And then this is this is why I'm involved, Because in the record he says, I know Pablo Noriega the real noise. So he's trying to this is I think, in my opinion, that's the reason why I didn't take that line. Never personal. Not when I first met him,

he told me it wasn't it wasn't like that. But when he was trying to apply that, he was like, your status correct, But have you ever dealt with Pablo. What he did is he switched it up because he didn't want I mean, you know he wasn't. I spoke to him when I was in jail. Oh oh yeah, I had. I had a phone call with him, and he had a maildown before the record or after the record came out, before the restaurant, because he was at this time he was when I first found out about him.

He was just doing the magazines and he was writing for he was stepping Starter was right for treating up. No, no, no, he was getting ready to his album is get ready to come out? He was getting ready for the album out. But he was, you know, before before the album or the record comes out, they do the magazines first. You know, you're doing the old zone. So I seen him in the magazines and I'm like, I know, somebody got to notice, dude. But I do too many people. So I'm hitting all

my boys. So one of my boys, he write for Smooth Magazine. He's, oh yeah, he'd be here Monday at nine o'clock. I put you on the phone with him, So my boy, I called him. My boy put him on the phone. He don't know it's me. My boy just handing the phone. He had met somebody want to high let you. So he get on the phone. I holler me, oh, man, you don't know. He thinks he's been set up. Oh big home meet got his bodyguards by itself. Oh big home mee. I love you, and

you know, just like jacking me off hard. So I say, uh, I say, look, man, I got some my beers for us. We can do this thing together. You don't have to be me. You can just be my supporter. Um, okay, okay, IM will come to see you and I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. So I called him like one more time after that, and uh, he put this guy Pucci on the phone and uh, they sent us a busiting form. So I sent him to busity Forum. They never feel a form out. Next thing I know, the

number was changed. You know that was an end of our conversation. As you think, that's where I ret wrong, because obviously it's because obviously you had to feel flatters like me personally as a person was a wrapper, right, And um, I wanted to just just show you the similarities in my situation. I had never I had never chose the name of Norieg I was actually in jail reading a book about Noriega, and the ship was so thick.

People I think it's the child. I was like, you think you ain't beating that ship, and just like playfully grabbed a book for me or knocked down or something, and they started reading. And then whatever they asked me on that page, I had knew it. So people just nicknamed me Noriega. No, no doubt, so I had. I still didn't go by the name of Noriega. Um. So I came home from jail. When I came home from jail, Capone had came to see me, which his name was not Capone in jail um but and he kept calling

me Noriega. So people in my hood thought it was funny. So I was like, we called this the Noriega too. We called him Ariga too. But in retrospect, I reached out to Noriega's family because I knew how it could be, you know, tooking the wrong way right. So when I reached out and I couldn't get the actual um contact that I wanted or someone that was you know, valuable to talk about it, what I did was I changed my name in the Northy right and I totally get

that because I never named myself freeway right, Okay. I grew up on the side of the freeway. And when we started low riding, we started low ride. It was a dude who was like the king of low ride at the time. And uh, one of my little partner was banging his wife. He didn't like it. You know, I don't think so you know, we like a lot of people don't like that. Years old. He like when five eighteen year old banging his wife. So he found

out that my boy banging his wife. So he's like, oh, you junky ask freeway boys, and it was an insult. Freeway we should be an insult. You didn't want to be no freeway boy. That's why I was asking. You didn't read the article about my obituary. You missed that. When you missed that, you got to read that article because l a Man magazine. Uh, this dude came to visit me at the prison when I had my life

sentence and he called himself right in my obituary. He wrote for the l A timesh and he was saying that this was gonna be the last time that he ever wrote about me. Okay, so we just at that one he talked about being a junkie ass freeway boy, and that's what they felt about us because our cars was raggedy, they smoked, they shook. You know what I'm saying THEE So I understand totally what you're saying about somebody giving you a name. So how how do you

think you and Ross could have avoided? We would have both been huge right now. I mean I would have gave him the freedom. He would have never got in toy with the g D s. If he'd been messing with me, Him and the g D problem never would have happened because I would have been able to handle that right off the rip. You know, I would have took care of it. Larry who was Larry Who? Okay? I would have knew how to to navigate to those situations.

I mean I had ideas one when we talked the first time we talked, he was gonna do a show. I said, listen, man, let me give you a tip. Look what you do. You get ready to do your show? The next show you do, let me call in let him here. This is before most people ever heard the federal president. This is a call from a federal correctional institution. This is Ricky Ross. I said, listen, if you do that on the phone, you take my call, you let the whole audience here you talking to me, they don't

love you. Ah. And he didn't get it. He didn't understand how much more that would have solidified his authenticity of of be somebody from the hood, you know. And and it was tips like that that I had for me and him that we could have did. But like I said, he didn't really understand. I think he was more concerned with me discrediting his credibility. You know, if it's a real Rick Ross, then why are you Rick Ross?

You know? And I think that his people started to put that in his ear that he couldn't align himself with me. It would be impossible for him to align itself with me because then it would discredit But this is a real Noriega and I always show love to the Noriega family. But see, you can think for yourself. You you know who you are, what you stand for.

When you don't really understand that. It's like me, if I didn't know who I was, I wouldn't be walking the street right now like I'm doing a movie right now. So that we got to eleven million in the bank. You know, I'm saying, we're gonna start shooting hope. We felt well, we got the script doctor. So working with the script doctor, we we were doing the script right now,

kind of everything up and everything tight. So me and he was talking another day, I said, I see men, cous Man, we gotta do another movie right now, as soon as this movie is done, we gotta do another movie with me making all the wrong choices, Like every time one of little homies wanted to kill them, my fucker,

I said, go ahead, he put the trigger. Bam. How would my life had been so much different if I couldn't be strong enough to where these dudes get into it that I don't had a power to say, hold up, man, don't pull that trigger. Don't you shoot him, get him a path, they didn't walk away. It would have been a whole lot of difference. But some people don't have the power or the strength to say don't do it. They're more worried about or they're gonna look at me like I'm soft if you don't do it. But me,

what I did is I was like, okay, you kill him. Okay. In the movie, this is what this movie is gonna be. But this is what I actually tell my guy. I don't want abode like whoa hold on? This is this is what I should tell my guy. Right, I said, all right, we're gonna kill him. I don't kill him. That three hundred thousand old. You think we're gonna get that back when you kill him? Any chance of us

getting that back ain't no chance. Okay, that's cool. We don't get the money back, but we're probably gonna get it back Noway what the police start the investigation. Okay, they arrestless. They ain't really got the evidence, and the arrest as all right, we all go to jail. We got a bet out how much that's gonna cost us? How much you haven't FENSI to charge every time you do a case hollars everybody that he touched You know, he don't touch you if you you don't talking about

thirty I see. So it's six of us. So you know we're talking about three hundred thousand. So we already don't blew that three hundred already we were don't we're don't. We're don'ta chunk that three hundred at three don't not turning to nine. So I was able to take my guys and explain to him that you don't throw good money at the bad money. Sometimes you gotta walk away and say, you know what, that was my bad. You know I should have knew. I have a model that did I go by is that I don't give people

something I can't afford to give them. If I give it to you, I can afford to lose it. To lose it meaning to give it alone for a hundred thousands if you don't pay you back. And you know that's that was all good. But what's the difference between like Freeway taking the name, Rick Ross taking a name between them both they got both of you. You know they're not the only ones. We got Rich out of out of Kansas City, free Rich. Remember you ain't never heard of rich. I told that one went over my head.

Richard Rich is hard like Kansas City. St. Louis the Bay Area. I think, I think, I think hard hard to Kansas City. He set it out for. But but but that's a different freeway. They said it out for you. You know, they show you even though none of them gave me no money. But none of them ain't gave me no money. But you know, nobody came and say, you know what, I'm gonna through a show for you. You know you you want motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. I love you to death. You know I got your

name tacked on my hand. That's how much I love you. None of them didn't do that. But at least when I come to town, they come out, We sit down, we talked. You know what I'm saying, It's like we got a relationship with with old boy, he deliberately lied to me about us and building a relationship. I was more concerned about us building a relationship than than than some money. So I knew him. I knew when they

bust some doors. When they bust some doors, I said, if anybody out they got money, I'm gonna get some of it. And no way, y'all gonna have no money and I don't get none of it. But do you think that's why he was kind of scared? Maybe maybe the one point you said is uh, like you said, it's the real Rick Ross, But you think it was kind of scared that if if it's kind of scared of a lawsuit or a storation type of we did we did do it. Lawsuit. Yeah, and I'm sure he

was right to the lawsuit. He's probably probably thought about, you know, this guy's a big drug you know, um because you know they getting short exactly, Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of games. But I've never been with this story man, you know. But but you can see how he can miss construe that though, can you see. I'm just I'm just trying to do good. But but you're

still supposed to know who you're dealing with exactly. And that's what that's what really fucked me up about the whole game right now, with all these motherfucker's with money, all of them, they got money. Right now, I don't respect him, don't give a funking and and anything. I'm gonna hater, but they don't understand the mind, you know,

even with Florida. You know, Floyd picked me up from the halfway house, and all I wanted from Ford was me around the game because I know if they put me around the game, I'm gonna figure the motherfucker out. I don't care what game it is. You put me in jail, I'm gonna know how to read, I'm gonna learn how to do the law. Who I was doing other people about how I got dudes out of prison. I don't got him bail. When the lawyer said you ain't getting no bill, I showed him how to do bill.

I showed him how to go. Oh, look at this here the judge. The judge only got two ways that he can depart from the guidelines. Well, we were seeing the point cooperate with the government. A post conviction real delictation. So if you go to a a class, you start taking drug classes before you go to court, before you get convicted, they're gonna change that is post conviction real abilitation. Now to judge, he give you any monet of time to you. I just get somebody the game. The other

day they called me crying. Oh my niece he feeling go to tail. I said, why you didn't call me when she first got arrested. I said, you, my girl, I would have gave you this ship for free. I said, look when she got to go get they do this, do that, do that? Now the judge is gonna be able to part from the guideline. And if you don't study the law, if you ain't in tune, you ain't gonna know this. But that was my game. When I

got in Tune, I knew how to get bailed. I knew how that I couldn't get myself out was my case was so enormous, you know, like it was guys in there that were so cold, but they couldn't get their self out because the case was so horrendous. You know what I'm saying. They killed three or four motherfucker's and they're not gonna let you out. But no matter how smart you get in all, you're not getting out. But they knew how to do the law. And that's what I had did when I was in there. I

had studied. Basically, what I did is I started studying the law the way I sold dope. I loved it. Love love selling dope. When I sold dope, I loved it. I was winning to die for it. I was willing to kill for it. I mean when it was a time that they was like, oh man, will uh, they're talking about they're gonna kidnap you. I said, just there was a word on the street, you know. I mean, you know I'm running around with two three I'm run

around with two three million in Deffel bags. I got two three dudes, can my deffle bags with honey in it. So the word is out of there. They're gonna kidnap me. So I put on my bulletproof vest. I put my pists on my pocket and let's do it. You know. But I'm gonna be a quipped, you know what I'm saying at this time. Mothers ain't wearing bulletpool vest at this time. This is like early in the game. You know, we go get the bulletproof vest that that the forty

five bullets won't go through. Because I'm always trying to be up on the latest and the greatest. I got no crud have been home, you know. But man, he was telling about how you invest in big coin. I was like, fu' not for some people. It's still a long term investment for some people. At words, we gotta cut them, Okay, we gotta, yeah, we gotta. You need back. You already know we're back at Drake Chaps, and listen right now we have the King Cocaine and we have

the the son of the Queen of Cocaine. This is crazy, Mike, what's going on? Brother Selda ain't gonna show out right now. It's a matter how two episodes in um Um two episodes, and I believe and that's that's the clothing line. You're buncle. So I'm telling how it is growing up in the house of how is it going growing up Blanco uncle? I think freaking vosh Fred. I mean a lot of people want to throw you know, a little bizzas on the things and over exaggerate. But when he came down

tune it. Let's say the Sopranos, it was the Blanco house. You know, it was business on the street. But no guns at the table. Don't say nothing crazy in front of the kid. Bodyguards say there they come, eat with us, but no guns at the table. And mama was a strip one. Yeah, sent you to school everything. Yeah, it's not like you know, it's like people like, you know,

like waking up and Mom's like, hey good. I mean in my later years as I got older, you know, they had to do little things, but they never when my mother put me in arm's way, the baby right right. Yeah. Did you ever think of that that some of your babies will grow up like and eventually lived like lifestyle? Yeah? Yeah, you know I had two sons that were really three that that took the gangster lifestyle. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, I got. I got three sons have been to jail. They go hard.

You know what I'm saying. I was just with one of his sons. Yeah, yeah, he was just with one of my sons who just got out of prison. A matter of fact, Yeah, I didn't even know that. And you know I knew of his mom in there was any like cross well you know, uh the niggarackas you should talk about her. Yeah, Mama Coca, and she knew of him, and they knew the same people, so they probably sold the way to the same people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we I'm sure that that my guys was getting

it from her at times. I say that they definitely talked. I mean, you know they was getting it from uh the brothers Escobar and his mom. You ever seen a little trouble ball brothers. Of course, my brother Cheeki Blancle was the prodigy of Pablo ands with Choice and he was the baby. He was there prodigy. When he jumped out of doing his seven years in the FEDS, he stayed at their house week and a half later, sent

four hundred. I heard you saying the reality show that you'll never go back to Columbia as much as I would love to see loved ones and everything. I can't. I got an asylum in this country. But you gotta what an asylum. It's called the Convention against Torture. Oh, I don't even know what that. You can't, I can't. You can't visit because of that? Yeah, well, I mean because of that and because I choose not to, I gave up that life, you know, And I mean to me,

that's what made the show even more real. I was watching with my girl that part, and I was like, this is where I think this is not a regular reality show, because Doc, if you would have gone there, I would have been like, it shows how real it is because it's still fresh. Well you know me, you know what this is. This is kind of recent in

real time. Your mother passed away, not that long ago, assassinated, and my brothers were my brothers were Sassinday nineties, two thousand and one, even go to be God bless man.

I'm not gonna lie. When I watched Cocaine Cowboys the same way I watched Um, you know um roll Ship, It's like, um, the level of that lifestyle, I just I just couldn't see that, Like, you know what, I'm saying like obviously I sold drugs, but I've never was on y'all level, like that level at all, but like, um, that that level of like like I heard, I heard you say that you if a person stole from you, you just wouldn't work with them. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was cheaper for me not to work

with him. I mean to kill them or to to to use my powers. I mean, you gotta be careful because you become a bully. But you can start bullying people around. You know, you got it easier to become a bully. It is easy. I mean, you got you got. At one time, I had like all of the shot callers damn near in l A, all the black shot callers a under one card, you know, like for the people that who was like the one of the founders

Great Street, like a hunch. I need you. I can call big you a big cal from the sixties, you know, putting t rodgers from the Blood. These were all like my dudes, you know what I'm saying, Like right now we still like like this here, if they got it, I can get it, you know. Uh So when when when you're in that position, you have to be really particular about what your what your decisions are. Your mom's was like the exact opposite if she she got a

hat missing, according to the documentary. I watched that documentary like my mother had the same and she told me this when I was a kid, that it doesn't matter if it's a hundred dollars or a hundred thousand dollars, it's the principle. So yeah, I've heard little stories that work. Whoa I owe is you like when when she was like like a like mother say that I was turning seven years old, my brother's turned My brothers were all arrested and died when I was seven for the biggest

money launching case in California state history. My brother was nineteen years old. He was worth a hundred million dollars already. He was where he was a charts prodigy. Nos Cheeky Blanco. Cheeky Blanco handle the Bay Area, Beverly Hills a lot. They dealt with a lot of uh. I would say. My brother Cheeko was the first Columbian to deal with the Afro Americans on the East Coast. And my mother was the Queen of queens. You know that Jackson crazy

and we did something cool the hell over there. I mean we used to go out town and there's uh, you know, a process so crazy even that your mom's moved over there. It was I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So all right, So because what made you dude? The reality? So what does this is? Well, you know, I've been in the business for a minute when I met you, gentlemen. Thank you to see you guys do what you've done. I congratulate you. Ten years ago, you guys gave me

my first interview. So what made you do the reality? I started getting into the business back then. I would see if anyone my partner Magic was in the music business, what it helped me get into the business. John Gardi, Buggy segu you know they did it back then. I saw we grew up on hip hop. We grew up on you you know, you know what, We grew up on some mob ship of these guys becoming metamorphosizing into

these legal entities jay Z Damon Dash. So when you grow up in that area and you see, damn these boys talking about the dope that ross. So these boys talking about my mom and Pablo, but they look like dope dealers. Damn, I live that lifestyle. Yeah, if they don't gotta worry about the jack boys, the criminals, FBI, d A damn. I want to be just like jay Z. I want to be like that guy right now. You see you see what he talks about Rick Ross? Right man?

Uh see how he felt? Right now? There's actually because out the records O tons name it. No, there's an actually records label called yeah records get Betty? What is it? Betty blocks? West side Gun? What's your Who was Conway? Right? I heard that stuff that he felt like. I wouldn't Okay, you knew me before and I was a criminal, and you knew me when. I would have took a different route. But I would have expect it with this gentleman, a legend. I'm not a legend. I'm coming to be, but I'm

from the streets, so I would have loved and appreciate it. Yo, Mike, can I wrap with you? Can I hang what you can? Can we probably think about this? Yeah? Can I get my buddy and his approach? His approach? He said, he said he reached out, He reached out. They spoke and he said that he felt like the lines was, how would you go about that? He should have never had to reach out. They should have reached out to him. That's how you spell me. Yeah, so you need to

expect that. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it, Jim, because that's what I'm doing. I mean, next we'll talk. I mean, if honestly, I think somebody did something to me, somebody did be a favorite, and somebody did me a favorite, I'm gonna reach out and in paying back, you know what I'm saying, as soon as I get a chance. You know, we we don't take from the will to never put back, you know, otherwise pretty soon a well

gonna be tried. We gotta always put back. Well, this could be the platform where they reach out to you, and maybe you gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest, you know what I think, me knowing like like both of you guys, I just feel like the community knowing. Yeah. I know I don't know well enough, but I know him enough to know that. I don't think he meant malice. I think I never no, no, no, I think I never said that. Yeah, he loves me to death. Yeah,

I think that's us. I think you tattoo a motherfucker name on your hands. I love that motherfucker right along. I mean, if you look at his fist. I saw him in the magazine. He was like this here he had my name tattooed on his hand. This motherfucking love with me. I think, I don't think the only thing he probably mad about he can't marry me when he held me, you know what I'm saying. So, because you

know what, I think, that's how it starts. I think you know what it is, so many black of us we call ourselves Escotball, right, we'll call ourselves Gotti, right, and then we'll call ourselves the Gambino family. And then we realized that the Gambino family even like black people, right, And like you know what I'm saying. So, so this is the first job, this is given both of your brothers. This is the first time people from our culture is

actually emulating our own culture. So that that's the one thing that's good about I respect that that's the one thing that's good about it. Praising the black another black bout, you know what I'm saying. And that's the one thing, like, no matter how you feel about it, it's like at least that praise our culture, like because it would be hitting that's remember when she said leaving the Federal building, the black widow called me miss white, and I heard

that something like so I love that. So in the Friend of the Friends, no no, no, no, but I understand that. And then no products with that. But let's do something together. If it's really I feel, and it really is that way I feel. I mean, if we're gonna keep it real, we can be like Donald Trump and everything is what it ain't. You know what I'm saying. What he said it is, it's what it is, and

what it said it ain't. It ain't me me and people outside looking at I could tell that he he wanted to do the right thing, but I felt like he got he got railroaded. It's it's like this, it's just like this. You know what I did when I reached out to noriegas fact, I just didn't even know you reached out actually did because I actually wanted them in the video, I don't even get Remember he was do he wasn't killing I wasn't I wasn't get permission.

I was trying everything I can do. We shot the woman, but I think wasn't let him know, like, yeah, I'm not tarnishing your name. It was the room and I never spelled to the same you know, his his name is spelled r E I E A G E E E I E. So I wanted them to know, and I wanted, you know, like whatever, like if I can help out, you know what I'm saying, something like, because I wanted to know I'm not trying to tarnish your name, and in fact, I'm actually keeping your name alive no doubt.

And I recognized that I recognize what he's done for my name. But at the same time, I wanted to exercise to power, right, you know what I'm saying, And he could have allowed me to exercise that power quicker. Now I'm going to exercise my power. They're gonna fill

me in another couple of months. They're going to know that this mone is the same mind that that that took a hundred and twenty five dollars and my partner had a hundred twenty five and we build a three million dollars every now and then empire, but a million dollars every single day. I'm getting ready to implement that again. But he could have escalated that. I could have been doing that six years ago in a perfect world. What

what what would you in a perfect world? Right? You came home, he gave me a job, said, come on, man, we're gonna go talk to your p O. I'm gonna tell your PO that you're canna be working with me domin legit. I ain't got no criminal record, because you don't even have no criminal I interviewed him for the lawsuit. I am him downtown and they say, oh, you've ever been to jail and he was like, oh yeah, yeah, well what did you go to jail? Four? A marijuana one time? So he had a clean record. My PO

would have let me round with him. You know what I'm saying. It wouldn't have been like, oh, we don't want name with him. But now, now, just being DEVI advocate, what if he was like the position that he could have offered you was something that he would have thought was beneath He made me thought I didn't handle position that was beneath me. You know what I told myself when I was getting out. True. But listen, I'm gonna

be honest. I'ma be honest. Let me just let me just let me just go to I would tell you, and then you know why, you know this is why a lot of people are sometimes be scared to do something for the street guy because they don't want to offer him a position where you're kind of like a soldier when you when you were boss. And so that's why a lot of the street guys can't converts, because the person that's trying to put them on knows that or feels that these guys more of a wolf than that.

But the I'm gonna have to stop. Stop. You know, you don't get your research on me. Yes, you know how I carry it? Even what if he did, but he was supposed to know me. He had studied me. Rest that he had studied me, all right, he used my my sayings in in in in music, so he knew who I was. Yeah. But but but in all due respect, you could have still been a killer. You could have still been a killer. He's just nor he

had researched nor. He had researched me. He read my cases, he read my cases, he read all the articles, he watched all the dollar documentaries, and he knew about me before everybody else did. No, I agree, I agree, But what if what if you know the person who's not used to dealing with a person of that caliber. Is he just made the wrong move where we know he we know he had never dealt with the street dudes. You know, I know, I know he had credit cards

in high school. A lot of people don't know that. You know, most of us ain't never seen no credit I've seen I just started getting credit cards two or three years ago. But he had credit cards in high school. So he definitely didn't know about the streets. You know, but he should have had enough sense to say, I studied this dude. I know this dude's background. I knew that this dude ain't gonna extort me. This dude don't extort people. He not in the extorting. He into making money,

He's into making moves. He's a thinker, he's a shaker, he's a mover. That's what he was supposed to see. And for him not seeing that, he swept on the game. I agree, but I guess I can. I agree with you just one million percentage, so you know I agree.

I agree that everybody should pay homage to the people that come form, especially if if you take any part of their life, if I take any if I started naming myself fucking Supreme, I should be calling you know, to to to to job rules, was calling the earth guy that should be making sure that I noticed that. I took that part of it like the first person they ever met, a supreme You gotta do that one

million percent. But then certain people just don't know how to approach things like no, I agree, and I said, sensirely believe that if you guys were to have a little conversation, I kid you not because like like me, like it's a sensible guy. I'm just trying to. I ain't got no problem with too. I would love no problem with I don't need his money. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to. I'm cracking now. You know. I'm fixed the beef T jay Z and Fat Joe. You

know what I'm saying. Come on, let's have another one with both, y'all. I'm good. I'm a good beat squash because you know, but it ain't no beat, dope. You don't know what I mean, don't be misunderstand it. Ain't even have a misunderstanding. I mean, it just ain't nothing. You know, we don't. I'm sure they can figure it out. Miami boys break bread just like sure you could break a little like just like just like let's I always imagine that when I heard myself up records and they

lit right now, they fired up, seen the videos. It's good. My own boy went through the stores. Ship, you know that. I just came from that. I thought, But what happened, What happens back in your day? What happens If that's what they think you reach, They saying, well, we don't got no breder for you, but we gotta perspect. Man. Listen, I'm not gonna tell you I'm filthy, filthy, rich and as that. But I'm comfortable, you know, and I work

hard for my money. I'm gonna keep it real. Motherfucker went broke because the federal guvernment took every motherfucking dollar I had. So now I'm rebuilding my ship. What we do and what my generation, my generations after his generation, we learned from watching him. We learned from watching him. Are we're changing the game. When you're dealing in a corporate status and you're here moving in the room full

of vultures, but all these vultures have suits. You learned a lot, and what you learned is to be a corporate mind. I'm not gonna lean on the niggas why you know I'm not gonna lean on them because I can't. Why because he taught us not to go back to jail, right, you know what extortion is what I used to run my record label, like, so I ain't doing that again. Like my daughter said, I'm legit forever. So why would I even approach these gentlemen talk to them the wrong way?

What happens if you was to reach out and you felt like it was like like sometimes I'm gonna be straight over you don't want some bread, I'm trying to like Sue or something like No, not that if I would, I mean I can't. There's no grounds for it. So I've already had that question. That's that's a real last name. That's a real name, right, Yeah, I know they have their their complete legit, and kudos to them. Get your money. I have no hate for people getting you have anc

But if that's your life. No. I owned the power of attorney for myself and the Blanco last name, but before my mother passed away, I wanted to vote her life attorney. So what happens if you want to make something cocaz Elda you have that? Yeah, I mean, you can't challenge my states. It's my favor. Can't challenge my you know that's that's that would be honest. Both of you brothers. Take you off for showing up because you

know what the crazy ship is. Now what happens is you know someone because I'm gonna do the same thing to be so I'm gonna take Nori. But the first time you ever heard slime in the music business, that's me. And now you hear that, you copy right that ship. I ain't feeling reason to copyright that ship. We was using it as a joke. My boy, my boy. He was saying, Yo, he's gonna go to get a pepper dime sandwich. I said, pepper din, I said that sound

like pepper Brody. I don't want that ship. Nigger came back. It was a turkey and chas I said, they I don't eat turkey, don't eat palk. I said, well, let me get a piece. He said, nigga, you slime. That's it. That's how the language all this ship, these things they a criminate to blood language and then Clinican this this game. Listen, that's bullshit. She was made up on the last There ain't street of medicine. Pepper died Turkey and cheap sandwich,

real ship. So I feel I've been the victim. They took jump off from me, and they took hate rade for me. Here's a whole words of me. Then I take my name and take but this is the same as action. So I feel you brothers, my brother, Yo, Rick ross Man, We've been trying to get get you here forever. Man, you're a real legend. We've been trying to hit each other. Yeah, yes, yes, man, And you know what. You know that that's how that's how the

Lord works. On your birthday, you got a chance to sit down with us and salute to have a couple of Man, Yo, let me just tell you something that he said, brother, what load all legends overhead man, and you are a pure, certified legend. I love your story. I love the fact that so many people let me just tell you about you. So many people would have folded and said, you know what, I'm going home, I'm going under under the cracks, and not have told your story.

So many people are scared is speaking about the c I So many people are scared of speak about the conscious and all that. The fact that you're in the front line and just letting people know, Look, this is my life. This is real. This ain't no, this ain't no motherfuckering made up story. This is real life. And that's that's real. Shift. I salute you, I commend you, and I want to say that you know everyone shs to salute you and commend you mad because you've been

through it. Said he introduced us years ago. Our X brought me by your way. He's the one that brought me by. That's my little guy. Remember tennis balls from Trust Everything and you you know your mother is a legend. Um you're soon to be legend. I love what you're doing on the street. Three episodes Tomorrow Monday, Tomorrow Monday night. Give up company to giving me some company. Man, So listen, man, I think both of your brothers we're coming through. Man.

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