Episode 163 w/ Birdman

your boy in O R? What up is d j e F and this drink Chance motherfucking happy our Max something. And when we started this show, we said we wondered interview lets. We wanted to interview people that's in this game ten years and more, that's making the mark, and that's standing here when I'm still looking in front of his brother right here. He is one of the most remarkable CEOs. He has changed so many people from the hoods, lives,

made the millionaires, made them stars. Right now at the three hottest people in the world still signed to him right now, going through a couple of different decades, had the original cash money and then now that everything that's going on in case you don't know where then were told ab that now you you were like the cash money period, were like the inventors of like being independent definitely, So how did how did how did you guys go from like, you know, being in New Orleans being independent

and to you know, universe who getting wind of you guys and then coming on and the difference between independence before you guys, like the Ruthless records and the records, but what was the difference from them to you guys. I kind of studied all the guys who did it before me, but just to bring you to the essence of where I come from, how we come up, Um, you know, just growing up in the boys home and you know, just being in the streets of my life.

You know, we lost a lot. So I just felt like when the university approached us, I was already five six years independent, and I felt like we had blood on this money already. So I refused to give up anything. You know, I was a young man and that was my mentality to that. You know, Um, it wasn't about the money. It was about me being able to own my ship. And I just felt like we lost so much the gang so little, so none of that ship even didn't even matter to me. That's what it is,

That's what it's gonna be. If not, I could continue doing what I was doing because I was making millions of dollars a month anyway, So when I went up to the New York to visit with whoever we were gonna visit with, it was gonna be my way or no way. I will no way. Per Wow, how did you develop that mentality? Because so many people at the time, um baby was they were getting advances and they were happy with that and going something, you know, a couple of a couple of cars and sneak. How did you

see the bigger picture? Now everybody wants to be black, But she was doing this ship And when summers Ago trying to say I came in the game, it was just like I just felt like, you know, but I lost so much, but I lost standing my whole family, and then much of my partners and all the niggas to me died to see me be successful or see us be successful. So I felt like, how could I give somebody something that they didn't work hard for? Man? That me was, how can I give anything up that

people died for So I went up. There was that mentality and and there was gonna be that or nothing. He wasn't hurt you for the money. We was already making millions of dollars a month. It wasn't about the money. I still wanted up great deal harder than that, because, um, in the beginning, you know, hip hop was in the East Coast and didn't win West Coast and didn't went south. But even when it went south to the wild for it to calm to Louisiana, you understand, I'm saying, So

how hard was that? Even when it went it kind of like went to Texas first, and so how hard was it? You got to see the ghetto boys? You got to see them. Yeah, I was inspired through all that. Button New Orleans always had a culture, right. We was able to about a week move and do what we do. Drew out Old New Orleans, Texas, Atlanta, throughout the South Alabama on the area. So for us, we were still generating a lot of money, and it just we were

putting out a lot of music every month. So once I got the hustle of it, and it was spreading. So you know, back in them days, you had to do it from the turf. You had to be in the ghetto with that ship, every neighborhood, every project in America. We didn't been in the motherfucker. So for me and for us, we were just trying to really just get out together, all right. And I found the house of which was music, and we just stuck with it, kept it. Pemper,

who God damn you got that? You still know the open up thame? You know it's a classic way of open up champ and we don't gotta do it around hood niggas. You you pressed down on it and you open it up. It's no, you're just going right behind me. Get my fucking yea man, you know things something bad. Brother, You're gonna get your life together. You know you come up in this exactly. Yo, let me just tell you something burn man. Yeah, Ever since my accounts with you.

This is why I was important for me to do this interview, because my account is with you. You're a man of your word. If you tell me, yo, I'm gonna do something. We have always did it. They want day one and I got I gotta give this out. A lot of times I see people, you know, go on the internet, their opinions, and their opinions is their opinions. I don't you know that's them. But I gotta speak up for you. You know what I'm saying. I gotta

speak up for you. If every encounter with me for twenty two years has been pleasant, it's been real nigger ship. I gotta stand by that. You know what I'm saying. I can't sit around and just you know what I'm saying. Um see all the chip, let me get some a little bit more. You ain't drinking champaign right now? You got your own right, You guys got damn all right? All right? Cool? And I brought you that bot so I ain't gonna lie. I'm putting that in the crib.

I ain't gonna lie. I'm burman putting that in the crib, man, like I got these things here. Man, I'll deserve that bird. I I only deserved that the trenches. Yes right, let me let me keep you, let me keep bigging you up.

So I'm gonna tell you what happened. I went to New Orleans and I was trying to I was trying to get a record from Master Pier right, and remember what this was like ninety seven of something fresh off of Wordport or fresh off War Report and all is not no, no, no, this is after and all because the band. I remember, I was out there, some girl said you gotta fucker cash money and I ain't here niggas yet, So I was like what And she had

put me on the Juvenile. I think it was four hundred degrees before the Um the hot, this before the hot record, and I was motherfucking cash money down at that moment. So then we I didn't find linked up with you on the melbn Front album in New York, and you told me I had just wanted Juvenile at the time. You said, Nah, this little nigger right here, it's gonna be the biggest thing in the game a little little more. To be honest, he was shot back then.

You don't remember he was he he he used to talk. So when I left, I just trusted you and I believed you. And if if you remember that record, I let little Wayne go first. You know what I'm saying. But you told me that years ago when juven I was the hottest in the game. You how do how do you develop? How do you developed? Foresight? And seeing talent like that, I just think it's one of my gifts.

You know, I can see that ship before they see it in their selfs and and I believe in it, and I give my all to it, and then we ride with it until we make it happen. That this doesn't mean that it's gonna happen fast. And everybody, we didn't come up in the social media era and you had to do that ship in a different way. But I think it's just one of my gifts, burning always, and I believe in it. If I feel it, I'm going with it. I ain't gonna think twice about it.

And I think one of my blessings I was was an artist and I noticed how artists thinking. But they need to paint how they paint their picture. And I love the nigga through their thing and I get out the way right, Um, now you're in juvenile they're doing an album together. Now come back? So how how how did that kind of come about? Drew it all? Man? Now? Just stayed in touch, right And I just personally feel like Julie, he's a nigger that's boring the rap It

really can wrap right man? Um? And I wanted to you know, Juwish signed to Cash Money Runny now. Um, I just felt like, for now, it's a great way to bring you back. I don't want to just throw you out there because I think he got so much to offer, and Towny wise, he a bad motherfucker. So I thought this would be a great way. Let him do this and then go do his thing, because um he definitely boring the rap and he's gonna he's gonna impress a lot of motherfucker's with this project and with

future projects that we're gonna do together. Julie a bad motherfucker now, But you got right now presently you have one of the number one records in the world, Bust Down Tope, that's on Cash Money West. You can't stop. They got there, keep here here. So so so because obviously you know from your affiliation, we see you know whack who's where it's red, you wear red. How how does someone come to you and say, this is a young brother, I believe he's crib and does that make

a decision and or so it's about pure talent. What Man and me was, um Man Wag always had a relationship. It started with the big thing you me going to Caligora and I moved to California, and I say, you know my love for music, I won't go over there and start a vibe. Let's get a vibe going. So I hit whack and say let's start cash money West. I want you to run the whole. You'll be the current. You do your thing, and you're from the turf. And just to make the artist feel cool, I got one

of their own and represent what we're doing. And we put the play together and Blue Face and Young Savages the first two artists we signed from sim w wow wow. Blue Face is taken off. He took off, took off, make some noise of blue paper. I think I think that's dope too, because um see us, you know, on the East Coast, we grew up just thinking like when the blood she's a cript, it's automatic, you know what I'm saying. And nowadays it's it's it's it's it's more

like about the green Man. You know, I'm an old head in this game. I ain't tripping and Young got talent. We're gonna do it well. That brol was the blueprint of that as well. You know what I forgot about that. I forgot that Shi was actually you know, that was a fact savvy and blue Face, both on crips both, But do you ever get slapping from like the like the blue Bloods come back to us. I mean, we're just looking for talent. I ain't man ship. We're trying

to make money. I ain't with the bullshit, man, I ain't trying to be tied to the bullshit and heard. All we want to do is make money and do great business with these youngsters and keep them, keep building brands and turning them into millions, hunting millions into buildings. That's the whole place. So when you're thinking like that, you ain't even got time for the small talk that boyshit. We're just trying to take this young man and make him as successful as possible, build him to be as

big as possible. That's all that matter. Only got that makes it looks for that got. I was your man name, the king, the King of r and B was his name. What's up? He had hit a young man. I've been working with Jock quis Folk going on five years, and they one I saw start them in it. I just you know, it's a process in this ship, you know. And I stuck when we believed in him, and I think right now twenty nineteen. This is your for all

the hard work he put it in. Your great young man, come from a great family, and I think he's gonna be one of the best for a long time. And not just saying in there because he with me, because he's talented, He right, he can, right, he's going there. You know, young niggas doing five, six, ten songs a day. Man, they're really chopping it down. So for me with him, I'm gonna work with him and we're gonna hustle real hard. He got his own company that I embrace called f

y B with his own artists. His single of his new album come out on the twenty second, then his album coming out either April or maybe whenever he choose to drop it. But I really expect a lot of big things out there, young man. And it's gonna be the year and the turn to print. And we believed in him day one, and we're gonna continue to believe him and let him paint his pitch and do it thing. Is it safe to say games Game album will be on Cash Money West? Say that again? Is it safe

to say the game I will be in? A game is managed by running cash Money or West? Game is one of my closest friends. I really like Game and if I ever got a chance, as ever got a chance to work with Game, trust me, it's gonna happen. So that's like almost, that's like maybe like I got a chance because I think he's you could put a game in a boat with the bang the Ken drew a little drakes. This man is a real That's what we said. This nigga boring the route. You got a

few niggas really boring the route. We kind of felt like Game was was was super dope, but we felt like he didn't need to take the certain tactics that he was taking this route around like with the Kanye ding. We didn't agree with that because we dropped that game. It's too nice for that, Like he's too good and literally he could get to that same my partner of embracing let me do whatever the Funky wanted however he wanted to do it. But I believe in this talent

and I'm gonna bring my expertise to the table. What would I bring the table? I come with power with this ship, and um, I think he's a superstar. Have you have a dealt with something like that? Like where um artist was gonna talk about artist that you may be cool with, like you know, like like if it was cool with Kanye and Game when that Kanye's wife, Have you ever been in the ball or something like that. We wanted to atom change something or something like that.

You got other nigga business. Ain't minds alight, But I got enough of the main got going on. That's on them, But I got nothing to say about it. They get it out, they live, doug with it, whatever they want to do with it. Fuck it, just leave it over there. Ain't got So in the beginning, there was a cash money rough ride of tour DN widing my partner Swiss on them as we grew up together in this game, you just spick them up of respect. But I'm not gonna lie to you. No one thought that tour was

gonna survive. That was you know, I'm about even like the openers was killings, like everybody was just that fit. The cent opened up, that was he was the opening. That's what I forgot. I got sold out the fifty. That's one of my one of my close friends. Okay, okay, so how how was that? How was cause what was because you know again at the time, New York was running ship so much that like they didn't really acknowledge other places. But this is you, motherfucker's is the hottest

people on the motherfucking planet. How did that? You know? Not only New York embracing you, but the world somewhere looking at you know, New Orleans from here on that. I hon't sleep, bro. We was young, and we didn't give a fun. We were just young, excited to be out of the project. I used to have a bus with at least a hundred with me. My whole neighborhood was whatever. So we wasn't already tuned into what we

was doing. We were just happened to be out together making money and we could buy our mom's houses and cars. We wasn't tuned into after all, that ship. So like, now let's take you know, we're gonna take this ship serious and get jigged with it. Let's see that we can make a hunting million, a couple of hundreds of

billion dollars in this ship. But when we was doing them towards we were just running around having fun getting money, not really the stores, popping chap We were just enjoying that ship, just to be you're just like a dream come true because the ship happened at a real young age for all of us. But when we got all that money like that nigga thought they was dreaming. Facts, how old when you got the deal of just signed

my deal? I probably was nineteen making twenty. Why ain't I've been playing with millions of dollars since there was thirteen fourteen years old. Man, So we grew up in business, they've been. I've been with Universal twenty three years and I was seven years independently before that. So you know, it ship been like we grew our life up in the music business and at a young age playing with a lot of money. Wow. Wow that that that sucked

me up. Just now, that that sucked me up. So at some point, right it looked at like like Juvenile had laughed or turk Cat laugh for me he had left. It looked like it was just you, Manny and Wayne. At one point Did you have any doubt? You know, because at the time Wayne was not the man, definitely, and I remember him like somewhat put in cash money on his back. But again that was like, you know, it's like your son, So are you thinking like this is the one or that I'm thinking this is the

one because this is my son. When all that ship took place, bro um kind of fun with me because I never thought it could have meeting people like you know, we just go separate North hard, we come up and we really started with nothing and not blessed. I gave my life to this ship, and I honestly gotta put my everything online. If I was gonna die, I was gonna die, but I had to kill. I was gonna

whatever had to be done. I was with that ship. Um. So when it did happen the same day, having Wayne came to me like, because I was in my feelings about this ship, like y'all niggas know what it is. Nigga, y'all know what it is. Y'all know what it is. He was like, Man, fuck them niggas. Man, I'm better than all them niggas together. Anyway, that ship woke me up. I said, you know what, right, the nigga, let's go.

And that ship turned me up. When you never looked back, and what's the first record when you've seen, like from that moment that you've seen Rain performed. He was like, I just think it was right, and he right, he was dropping mixtapes when I went to a show and I'm thinking of the words now I'm just peeping him. I'm just peeping him because I'm used to always being on stage with him. So he was like, I got this tonight, you chill, I want you to watch me. Wow.

When I saw that ship, I was like, let's go. I knew he had it, always knew he had at it. But honestly, you know, with all the love and respect um situations diversity and make a man be a man and make you stand and losing them man man waynet just go harder. And there was situations. So it really turned him into a monster because at first he had the build monster, but when they left, he was gonna eventually be who was gonna be. But the leaving ship made a nigger just be more creative and do their

own thing. And one thing about cash money was like um uh, like you said, he was influenced by Jay Prince, like I seen y'all was influenced by excuse me, excuse me. I was thinking he was in ghetto boys because me, but um, you guys always somewhat did your own thing, Like when we see you'll come out with the helicopters. They think it's we're thinking like that because like helicopters and um what what developed that was? It was? Was? Was? Was it because they had other people who popping from

New Orleans like competition just our early days. But I would just painting my life in our ether day. All that ship was me just saying, fucking this is how I'm living. That's what we're doing. Is how we're tuk them with it. We're gonna get helicopters, all kind of ships and puts in. But that was just a fantasy. And Nigga head as a kid just want to live life a certain weight. And I put that ship and

turned in into reality. Ever you ever thought it would be this big though you you you have expectations, but when you live in it, it's something totally different. In our first expectation was just getting out together and then as you live in you know, every day of life is as an experience because I never lived life like this. You know. I mean, I come from the slums with this ship. So any one of these all this is

they come from the slums too. So every day of life is an experience because Nigga never lived life like this. So for me, now, I didn't think it, but once I've seen we could do it, I went for it. And a lot of people don't understand. Like you'll see a new artist, you'll put him in the studio with you, your hang out with him, Like what what do you develop? Like just show a love like even like with Young Dog and Rich Homie Kwan like, um, like you show

love to them like you. I don't think you had to, I think, but how do you developed that? You know what I'm saying? It was true somebody else, but I saw the talent and thug Doug about the other board to the game, but it was always what I saw in him, solid soldier, real gangster, funk with him till the day. That's my partnm of that brother. But I saw so much talent in him at a young age.

He was nineteen when I met him, and I just felt like, with my platform, we can make it my stock and the birl ain't seen no ship like this sill and we started that rich gang ship. But it was really about him, definitely. God that God damn, I God, damn. I mean I want to take it back. I want to know what in New Orleans and in the days when it was y'all and no limits, how was that for us that don't know, you know, what's it ever like? Because we know it's competition, But what's it ever like?

You know it was beef or something like that. Well, certain artists cash money limit that ship was real. Yeah, they ain't sunk with us. When Klio Magnolia pro ship, really it was a project beef like a different We're from two different projects, so right, that's what I'm saying. It just didn't never mix. And me and his relationship never mixed. Maybe the artist is, but we didn't funk with each other, so they couldn't sunk with each other.

But not because it was beef or was there a little We just ain't never vibe and no beef, ain't nobody dead, you're in it, but we just didn't never vibe. To this day, we just never vibe. Goddamn all getting me wrong. I got the most respectful you know, for my same cities. So Niggas then came up and he did some ship. Nigga's still trying to do it out thirty five albums in one year, you know me, So that's a lot of hustling but that's solute to everything

he's doing. Are not damnit go damn. That's respect about that. So you're rebuilding this, Wayne is taking the flag ship. Now who comes first, Drake or Nikki? Because when Wayne, obviously Wayne had to come to you and say, you know, because you're you know, you're sever the bigger company. So Wayne has to say, bird baby, we're gonna side next. Who comes first, Nikki or they both came at the same time? Damn? Oh? So that's it was that like

the Young Money Star Money. Yeah, so you you look, money was already around they want because yeah, you had like who was the guy j Males? No, they come after, they come after all. But Young Money was squad up and all that other stuff was doing. But your money was just an imprint until we felt like it was time, until we found Drake and nick and then so what's your first impression for Drake? Because at this time, right Nicky, you know, there's other artists from Queens, there's other artists

from New York. Maybe you guys ain't work with something, but there's other artists in New York. You identify that there is no other let nigga from Canada, not at the time. Not at the time big up. My brother called it out of Fisher was don't want you to st so but you know what I'm saying, there's no because so this is actually he was already an actor. He was an actor, but he was an actor or some ship. No one that was, you know, but in Canada they know about it. So what's the first thing

that pops in your mind setting down Canada? Niga Canada. It was a name. I ain't even know where it was from. I would like that nigga cold, I said. The first day I met him, I told him he gonna be a legend. He said, for real. I said, Nigga, are ready a legend? That nigga bad. He come in the game as a bad man. When I just heard this mix tape. That was the first tape he ever done. He eventually farmed to be who he is, but they won when we met him. He wasn't who he is

not but the first first. But that's two different machines. They do music in two different ways. See, Wayne started something with that song postitute. Niggas wasn't singing back then. Niggas was still rapping and he did that prostitute and that kind of changed the game. But Drake already was doing all this ship. So when he came in. Over a period of time, Drake been around with us ten twelve year he farmed into something that what he is right now, super super superstar. Now Nikki is you said,

came at the same time. Your first pressure of Nikki was when we first seen it. He showed me a DVD the same day with d I'm assuming okay, the same day we did a men the first week on called the three I think, called a two and called the premature ever won that world um, and we flew in. I just seen something in uh and he really seen. He brought it to me like we got she gonna

be the female on our young Money. But you can see but being around Nick and she eventually farmed into something right because we give them so much freedom to be whoever they want to be, and she farmed into Barbie now moving around a little bit. Have you ever like you know, tried to make an artist artists and it just didn't work. And just everything you could do the music business, brow of ship you do might not

work exactly. You know. I've been with Jack Que's four or five years to it even you know with Tucker and I've been with Wayne, Way ain't had the longest running all of them. Wint was around ten fifteen, twelve years before he He always was successful until he took it though. You know, like Nicki and Draking them, they popped off top, they went straight up. You know, Wayne had a longer rode before he maybe because the ambition was hired and they wanted to go where Jay was at.

They dont wanted to see what they feel to be up there, and that's what nigger shot to. That's what boys on that rap ship as far as that rape that's gonna went up with it. Where do you put cash money when you can get to like a death row a bad boy? Anybody? Where do you wait yourself? To me, with all respect to everybody that ever did this it, none of them have done more than me. You got a billion billion records and I sold over three hundred billion streams and not the did over five

hundred and seventy five million on iTunes along. I'm sorry, I'm not counting your money. I'm just saying just say that one one time reference yes, and did over three hundred billion streams and I did over five hundred and seventy five million on iTunes. I found, as I said, I felt like I felt I got checking my account just now. A lot of the hood cantle did it before me, but I respect what they did and how they've done it. And I looked at all of them and I just wanted to be better and do better.

And you know, the crazy ship is when I when when I have baber Shop talking up when the cameras ain't around, and you know, they compare you guys to the Jay's, and they compare you to the to the to the ditties and everybody. The difference between you is you did it mainly on music. I did it all music, music, music, Goddamn it, goddamn. When they gave it up, I hugged it right. This was the life I wanted, just the life I chose, and I refused today to give it up.

I love it, wow. I love the hustle of music. I love to take young black men and make them successful when got nothing. That's an ambition for me to see the talent and a young man who see it in their self. But I'm gonna believe in them and show the world what they got within them. That should have rushed from me. Right, How do those deals that you created early on that were monumental change when for the streaming era, Like if you have to adjust what

you were doing or reapproach it. Hey, streaming is the best thing that ever happened to the game, because now you could, you know you could. It's more money in it. It's more money in this game now than ever been. So for a young man who's streaming, he don't need all the things we needed back in the genie nigga could be doing that ship off of YouTube and social media, or get him a bag. It's so plentiful now all over. It's the money is. You know, the money just way

up for these youngsters. You could do more what I did in thirty years. I could do it in five years. I'm gonna do it again in five years. It's a different game. It's a faster I prefer to then because it makes me appreciate it, because I put in the body of work for that ship. But now it's a different hustle to me. It's easier, but it's more plentiful.

It's more money for everybody. It's a different game. And you see these niggas running around with all the bags on the phone by the ears and ship because Nigga is really getting not the music business is way up and it's it's dominant urban with the culture now. Now, like I said, we about around a little bit. Now, I want to hear top thank you and say thank you for coming through because in the world the public

haven't seen you. I try to talk less than don't talk at all, and let my actions speak loud of the words. Goddamn that for the last time of the end. That's kind of saw you was when you said are you finished? All you done? And it was the most classic legendary ship and that was hard call that what you Okay? Of course, Now what exactly was it? What was they ab What do they do to make you? Because I haven't seen you mad like that ever? I never I know each one of years they had tod

What did they do? Let me get into what did they do? Oh? How was that? I just had some ship on my chest? Okay, really was charlem Mane Okay, okay, goddamnit, Charlemagne. I just wanted to see and face to face and let him know you slip stopped playing with me, respect me. You're disrespecting my name. You're playing with me a right respect on his name. We got respect with your name over here. We want you to know that we got the fact on the name over So did you know

that was the most viewed like um two minutes? Yeah, yeah, that was that was viral. That was viral like and I can tell you was trying to keep you a composure. You know you can't trying like I have a nigga behind but but you haven't talked to the media since that's real ship you sat down with us. I try not to, but you know you in a different culture. Brot Yeah, slay each other and then we had a mutual friends and we both together many holding home on everybody,

please make sure your phones is all. I want to give a moment of solids to one of my close friends, Birdman's close friend. Um see low on the kind of three one two three value has to close your eyes for a second. God bless you see low yo. That ship Let me think about it right now, like that ship me because I didn't see that coming man, and that nigga loved you but was on the plane and me. We all flew out there together. But you know, life goes on that nigga loved you now you're real sign

and yeah we're miss him. I missed him to man, great fella. Now all right, we're moving along, right we um, we're here these rumors about you and Wayne and all this crazy stuff, right, those moms take over, right. But then there's a moment where you and Wayne is together and y'all hug each other. Why do you think the Internet and blow that moment up more than they blowing And this is just this is just honest, you know

what I'm saying. Because if if they're gonna blow up, you know what they think went wrong when when they see that moment that it was corrected. Why do you think the Internet don't give it the same energy. I don't know. I must have been talking too long, but I really don't know. And I never get caught up in the internet ship. I don't give a funk about none of that. Right, I'm gonna live my life how I live my life. Wayne. Oh, I love him like

a son. To the other day, you know, we communicated and my son to me before I et man, my own son, it was my son. So um, I don't I really don't give a funk about no Internet, and I always take the lick, but fucking I'm still standing up. I'm gonna still be a man. I'm gonna live it like that. You always sort of stood that ground like Wayne is my son, at like you never had caught a moment where you got mad, because like you said, like you know, a lot of moments I got mad.

But still when you look at it, when you look at somebody that were considering it was sunny, you gotta suck that ship up. And no matter how I felt, I sucked it up. You know, he and I was feeling some kind of way, but it didn't matter. I just sucked the ship up and kept it moving. The only thing I could do is just keep hustling because I knew, man, it was gonna adventure to get back together.

You kept saying that I wasn't worried about that, But for me as a man and what I got in this game for I just wanted to keep hustling and keep making talent throughout all the storm. That one of the people that was vocal Um when you guys were beefing, and then one of the perfect that was vocal after you guys, like you know, gave that hug. Was Ross right now, Ross Um, when you guys gave that hug and you guys squashed it, Ross tweeted out. I think

he instagrammed he said that was honorable. So I guess that was his way of apologizing to you. Do you do you accept his apology or for the track? For I guess whatever he was saying, because I just came up and my mom fucking business. I don't get into other nigga business. I'm in a music business and my niggas business from another nigga, another nigga business. To me, that's a violation. That's how I come up, man, You

know simple. I ain't never been no man to speak down on no man and this music business never did. That ain't my thing because I know how hard this ship is. I ain't hear the downplayer nigga. I won't see a nigger come up period. So for me, I was speaking down on the nig I would never do it now, but a nigga disrespecting its fucking fucking my bitch. We could kill shoot whatever you wanta do. But for as me, speaking down on the nigg in this game ain't my because I do my thing for sure. For sure,

that's my fucker. That's real. Ship, that's real now, Um like moving on, like I said, a bounce around. Um have you ever received slack for like having the tattoos like on your face or chose a funk right when I put them on my face? I ain't give a funk. I did that ship at fifteen. I knew I was gonna be a dopeboard when I was born. I never my pops was a dopeboard. That's what I always that put tests in his face. It ain't too much more ship you could do as you're gonna be. There ain't

too many doors you can go in. I perhaps to choose hip hop so I could walk indoors with this ship on my face. But at first, you know it was gonna be a dopeboy From me, that was it was for me? What was it ever a little awkwardment when Dog and Wayne wasn't getting along, we talked a lot about that ship. But I nicked that ship in the But you know, Wayne, my son, it Doug like my let brother. So to me, that was to me that I was like a family situation. That ship wasn't

gonna go nowhere. It was gonna be. It was gonna be, and we're gonna leave that alone and get back to it. My whole thing was to get them to work together. That was my plan was At that time. We were going through changes with artists with the Young Money Cash when the ship, so I went to embrace you know, thug them and went to Atlanta and started the Risk Game ship. But my plan was always supposed to get

them to work together. Now us in uh New York City, we had this group at one point called Murder Thinking. It was jay Z, it was job at DMX. We were supposed to go make an album. You think Wayne greg and think you would ever make an album like that Dad plans. They did a few songs, but you know, you never know everybody, brother, everybody is in so many different directions. But Nigga's playing with hundreds of niggas of dollars,

so you know, it's a lifestyle with that ship. Wayne got this life, Nikki got a life, Drake out a life, I mean Drake got his life. So everybody's in different areas doing different things. But so for them to come together the door, is it possible? Yeah, definitely, But will it happen. I don't know. They're just too fucking business. Just everybody doing their thing, you know, everybody. You know. In younger days, we probably could have did it easier.

But now you remember Nick's playing with hundreds of millions and they all got tours and scheduling. But honestly, I think it could that should have happened because they're the most retalented in the game. Now. Colin on his way to Superstar, I don't know if I've pronounced his name right there, I said it right, Yeah, on his way to Superstar him he was on he want on Cosh, then he had a ree time on cash Money, and now he's just it's just you know, big huge mobile. Um,

how was the experience? Like? What what? What? What called it? On? He's still same nigga? Yeah I met him. I was Canada hustling, and when the nigga hustle, what you could do but respect it. Yeah, they're gonna find a way, get away, make away. That's the only thing I could say about me at a real hustle. You're gonna get it and you're cool still to this day, because I think Bross has said something on the record or something.

It man. I always did good with Cataklager speaking on me, and think made millions of dollars with me with one another. They ain't never gave him a penny. I was putting millions in his pockets. I always did good bye. I'm doing any any young organizations that you see right now coming up that you feel like y'all back when y'all started. I like what Pete doing with QC. I like when ain't doing. I always felt like we need more CEOs in the gang. I really like what he got going on.

He hustling, and I like what top Dog Bill, you know what I mean over that, what he got going on, you know, that's great keeping that legacy on West alive. And I like what young Doug farming into because he's finding talent doing this thing. Um, you're gonna see a lot of that from Jack Queens. I think you're gonna see a lot of that from the new artists, and the youngsters gonna be putting Nigga's own, gonna be putting their own brands on. I think that's what's gonna keep

this ship going at a heavy pace. It's when star artists put out the rappers on Right now, Mystical at one point came up with it. How how did that work out? Because he was nom and did you receive any termoil from y'all being a line? You know, Mystical and all them artis just was caught up in some ship with what's going on with men due they always wanted to work together. That just that we didn't buye

so it would never happen. But Mystical came. I've always been a fan of Mess from New Orleans legends sound like a free agent Bootcamp Click. I think was this crew, right, this crew or something like that on Yeah, they had beef kind of with Bootcam Click in New York. Oh yeah, I do remember that. I do remember that we're there the project with and it was proud of it and we're still a crew to day, right respect How was

the time like with Bust the rhymes? You know, Bust a different time, respected Boust the determined, busting, Curt stop brother supposed to stop keep getting that ship. That's a beautiful thing, yo. So um, I mean besides you getting getting money, because we know you getting money, but why why you developed like you know, you developed a positive at so I want to say that like it's like you don't get involved that, he says, she say ship. But it's hard to win this game to avoid that,

you know what I'm saying. So how you developed that type of attitude because even me I fall like I'll be having to raise some ship, I'll be saying something mother like Conna pick that up, and I got to erase the ship, you know what I'm saying. Like, but you don't feel on fall victim, like like I see it ain't here it up. But I see it ain't here it up. Okay, I just don't get caught up into it. I'd rather chase the money than the bullshit. Bullshit is it, bro, I chase the money for I

chase the bullshit. I'm not gonna entertain it. I'm not gonna really waste one second on it. I got too much other ship I want to not try to do, but I want to be able to set the bar so high and this ship that maybe the nigger who can touch it, he not even much on this planet. Check. That's my only mission in this game. M to keep running it up. Goddamn is the first of the best buy lickers. I totally forgot for all the providing to look at the day. They We're gonna make sure they

got the name of the drinking again. Drun sense serrial, You're gonna make sure they got to sit serial in there because Birdman don't brought me the big bottom. I'm taking that homes. I'm not sharing what these things that are not worthy my friends and all that, but yeah, best buy dot com out here, bess my lookers, you know what I'm saying. Now, Are we gonna ever get another Big Timas album? Oh? I doubt yeah, I doubt it.

Why I'm just not with it. Okay, I ain't with it fresh my part and I love him not better. We talked it all the time. You know, he do produce for me for certain things, but other people. But all right, I ain't with it. So there will be another Big Timers. There will be another Hot Boys. Um maybe a Hot Boys because maybe a Hot Boys b G be home this year, so wow, wow, we'll be crazy maybe get something like that though at all? So who was our boys? Is? BG? Turk Wayne and Juvie? There?

Yea if people eat that up there? But I got a home that was Did you really have a homma sitting on thirty tools? Man, we were living that ship. I always want to ask you that, like in real life, not always want to ask you that. Man. Man, So um, okay, all right, hold on hard Jude, dudes. So now people don't we don't talk a lot about the Slim. Slim don't really talk a lot. He's to the side, like say a couple of words about Slip. What you know,

because he's mysterious. No one knows none of the coolest thing on the planet. That's right, my brother. I look up to my brother. He means everything to me. Um, you like a daddy to me, and everything we wanted for Slim. But none of this ship be still going on because I was. I was, I was kind of ranching with this ship. Snip really maintaining thank you know,

he kept all the pieces together, goddamn it. And why why do you think about like people don't talk about him more is because he's the he's the behind the scenes. He played it back. I feel like he's like the bigs of cash money. Yeah, like the sense that I will get. But he totally one thousand percent the shot calling anything go down. Snip called all the shots. Now. The first single that you gotta signed was artist in

Kelo G. That was the first release. That was the first release ever on cash Money, ever on cash Money Kelo G. He sound like he's still selling piece killed God bless so man a god damn it? All right, but what was the year that cash Money started? I'm ahead of my Federal tax I d number and eighteen nine. Now I came home from jail and nineteen eight and nine December ten, I started my label, got my Federal

tax I did not my February teen. I signed with Universal nineteen ninety seven May ten, and still Universal's a partner. Just have been that twenty three years, same team. A little Wayne's first album, A little slim, No, that's a brother wine, that's a board a little way. Okay, we be getting money for twenty three years from Universal. I'm just supposed to be looking crazy. Goddamnit. Damn I'm coming

your money. I'm so sorry. I probably know you. I probably know is to keep it g with your brother made two billion dollars with you on the first university, not to mention what you made before that independently, and one big other dollars. I broke down with Wayne Drake and Nike it and that was Drake still signs the cash money are they all three stills? Technically is together from life? Okay, okay, time when you cut the checks like that, ain't gonna going alright, money along. That's that's

that's beautiful man, that's beautiful. Man. I was so glad, you know, as a person that you know, seeing see y'all from the beginning. I can't say from the very very beginning, but like from the ninety I was saved

from ninety eight to ninety seven on. You know, when I seen y'all, right, the party situation, that's the reason why people ever noticed, like we're supposed to be media or whatever, but we never talked about that because I know you have relationship from the beginning, and when when I see the termorial, I wanted to look at the end results. So I chose not to ever speak at

because of that. And I feel like no one could, should should tell you the truth, like when it comes to y'all, like especially if people who know y'all relationship, like this is real ship, Like I know you love that nigga. You know what I'm saying, And I'm expected you. I expected you, expect expect you and respect your stands for never falling victim and like, I'm glad that you told you that. Man. Listen, man, it's been times, Glaur, I almost did, but I did. I never almost. Okay, Okay,

I would never cross that line. Like I always looked at him as a sun. So I could have ever disrespected. That wouldn't be a man, That wouldn't be a father. Know what I'm saying. I'll never disrespect some mind. I called it my son, so I would never I just suck it up. I didn't. So how initially did you like? Kind of um? Fix it was? We talked, talked a couple of times. Um, that was important to me that

you know. I started with Wayne. I gave my all to my son and he gave his all of me so to me for me to continue to do this business, I had to fix that with him. That was the time I didn't want to speak on it. I wanted to speak about y'all, you know, fix it the situation because UM, so much in community, it's always the bad part that's promoted. But where when the good part happens? Why then we don't show with that same energy, you know what I'm saying. So, like I said, I commend

you on that, commended him on that. I commend your brothers. Um you know, back to find a situation because the one thing you don't ever want to do is, you know, let your family members to be affected through money. You know what I'm saying, because that's gonna come and go. But now I just getting a little um awkward. How are you and Tiger stand? Because I though he was supposed to be signed to the label or something like that, and he said that he was on Interscope or some ship. Uh,

you know, that's a whole another movie. Okay for the movie. That's a good another situation. But I always did great by Tyger. I put millions in this pocket. I ain't never violated that young man to speak in my name in vain in any kind of way, you know what I mean. I always stand still solid with But you know that's you know, that's a whole another other ship. Do you think that sometimes people blame you because it's that's the easy way out. I'm the gangster, so you

know what? All right? Well, you know they got to stand on that ship though when you were saying that ship, because eventually, you know how this ship go, bro, You never know. But it's the music business. You never fucking no. You don't burn no bridge, not one of them. All Right, the music been You're gonna run past. I'm gonna be in this ship for real. I'm big dog on this ship, so I ain't going nowhere, all right? What was the

track that y'all together? The first time to Cash Money work with a New York artist, I did a feature. What you mean? It felt like that we was already a fan. Ain't turning on that music. He was more to date with them than me. So when we go up there, we go check, we go hit every ghether, we go on every project. We're going nigger's hood and

just chill. That was our whole mold. When we're going whatever city, I'd have been in every ghether in America because we were here in Miami and it seemed like Cash Money wasn't really doing a lot of features, at least not not outside the area. I wasn't the niggas do features, So it was a big deal. And we saw that feature down here with certain niggas. Because I ain't wanna hold myself. I hold my niggas. We ain't gonna be man man any niggas ain't help us do nothing.

I ain't trying to be cool with no niggas. I don't want to be cool with no nick That was our my top. But certain niggas were funcked with and you know, and we did that ship. So this day, baby, I still got that twenty five yeah relationship with mother. I ain't know why. That's why. That's why I wanted to personally do this because you know what I'm saying, Like, whatever was the opinion of anybody else's, that ain't my opinion. But I gotta stand on what I know, on what

my ground is. And whenever I stepped to you, and I came to you because I remember, you know, not too long ago, should I had a rain feature. I was independent like a motherfucker. I ain't had no nothing that hit nobody. And I said, and you said, you could you listen, partner of me? You did tell me, don't you have no other nigga called me ever again, nigga, you better called me direct? And I was like, my

bad man, I'm never like getting my nigga. I was like, he said, yes, just because what happened was you know what I'm saying, And me and him had lived in a close facility of each other. I don't want to say where, you know what I'm saying. I don't want to say we're gonna that, you know what I'm saying. Um, And I just, you know, I just didn't feel right like reaching out to him. And he was like, don't you ever not feel right? Nigga, you reach your pattern exactly,

my brother. I appreciate that, brother, because you held me down. And UM, so I wanted to do this interview personally because, um, you get a bad rap sometimes so many people say, you know, bird man is this, and bird Man you don't speak, So sometimes if you don't address the rumor, the rumor becomes the truth. So in this day and time, you know, I wanted to come out and and can I tell you how the person to feel about that?

I don't get it. Fun we got there. That was the hardest answering because you know, so um, we we've been recently, um seeing uh the emergence of black excellence and black ownership. I know I've been talking on it a little earlier. Um, what is the next step for us to to to to grow as a people, whether it be us as hip hop people or us as just you know what's the next step for us. I can speak on the music part of all in their life. You know that ship going different ways. But for the music,

we need to just keep doing. We're doing. I see the young and starting to spread their wings, you know, signing talent, getting talent, and there's so much in the game right now. It ain't like it was when we was coming up. The ship then changed for real and it changed for the best there. So when you got these young and out here doing it, I keep doing it and keep doing it harder. I could tell the

niggas go harder. Don't ever think you because you're doing it, you're cool, nigga, go harder, like like, I know you are a real music guy. Right for years, I've seen you. I go to certain places, You'll be there. Do you ever like see because some of this music out now it's kind of trash, but it's hit records. Do you ever say? So what do you say? You say? Do you care or because like you you know if a record is mixed or not, different game? Bro Okay, it's

different game. Might you got a lot of old niggas tripping on a new game when I was listening to you gotta get with this ship, getting left behind this ship. It's a different game. A lot of niggas don't not a transit of trane gent to what's going on. Its been trendy. I've never been a follower, So for me, we're gonna start what's going on. But you gotta see what's going on and know what's going on. You the way these youngster doing music now, you can't compare how

we do music and how we did music. We wanna even understand that ship. But I get it. I understand it, and you gotta get with it. Okay, So what's the next step? What's the next move here? Let you see I want to do. I'm doing movies, okay, running fumes. Always had my cash in the documentary. Yeah, I got my champagne, got a few different hustles. Um my stunt of brand. That's within music. I don't want to come outside of music. Everything I'm doing with it for entertainment.

You understand me. My liquor and everything we're doing. So still left forever with me, houses and the kind of subjects to whatever right you're right that forever I think at you and flex I respect that I don't. Let's come back here, Let's come back well, Bro Burtman again. You know, I want to thank you personally because you ain't have to do this. You ain't. You ain't. You don't have to be questioned or or you know, interview at all. You you you know what I'm saying. You

all who you are. But I wanted to, you know, say the side that I see you from. You know what I'm saying, and because I just feel like sometimes it's unfairly how people view you. You know what I'm saying, So as a person who knows you and not for just since yesterday, I know you for for wow and always always if you said, if you say you're gonna do something, you've done it. You know what I'm saying. And I wanted to honor that, and I wanted to

respect that, and you know what I'm saying. I want to also, you know, pick up to McMahon and pick up to Wayne, and pick up to the whole team, because I love when y'all together. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm that I'm that guy who's who seen it from the beginning, so I want to see it like that for the end. So even if I'm eve, you know what I'm saying, I'd rather be that this ship

together forever. Where ain't nothing gonna change that, this ship together when when they bury us, they're gonna bury us in the same city. Goddamnit, we got forever. Goddamn. So I want to personally thank you over half of you all be if man, can I say something. I like what you're doing. To man, I sell you transformed. But remember when you're still doing other ship in the city, y'all building with y'all building. That's what this ship about. Man,

goddamn think so much. Try let me go thank you, my brother,