Episode 162 w/ DeLa Soul

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These brothers that stand in front of us in a lot of ways, If it kind of wasn't for them, they probably wouldn't be a Noria opponent, Noriega or drink champs. They paved their way the label that fun to me. They were on first, they were doing it. These guys are legends. These guys stood here to the test of time. They're still making music that are dope. They working on the album right now with per Man and Pete Robs.

These brothers are which when you call up, look at the word legend, when you look at the world classic legendary, their pictures, it's right there. And I am here to respect their legacy. And if you don't know who the funk? We talked about it to my motherfucking day lines all now now usually on drink camps. We started off with the beginning people's careers. But there's a big elephant in the room that I feel like I don't want to go around it. It's a movie I want to put

in the beginning. Can we popped that bottom? It's the lace. Let's put this hell. Because what people don't know is everybody hit the internet that said that a certain label to which his Tommy Boy Records, which I was signed to at one point as well. And I've I've made how I uh stand? I said, fuck Tommy Boy. The niggas just suck. It was very elegant. It was a very elegant statement for what for what it's worked very late,

I thought for sports on myself. But when I heard of the fact that they wanted to take your catalog and we just tripod at a rate of temper set, and that temper set would be split between the three of y'all. Yeah, yeah, so how did how did how did how did that even come about? Because the music is not available online? Right, it hasn't been, hasn't been? Why? Yeah? Ever not not? I mean we we missed the whole that part of the canine. Yeah, before we even get

to that, let me ask you something. In the original contracts there never stated anything about digital. Was no language at the time, the bank language for it too to just happen if it was never there. It was, I guess I'm not trying to was specifically cassette by the c DSHA and CDs was was was even in eighty nine? Was c DS? I think maybe they probably admitted it just now I was just starting I mean that, Yeah, I mean it was. It was. It was language in

the contracts, but it was real vague. You know, I'm not certain exactly what it said, but it could be something like, you know, CDs, cassette, vinyl in any format. But so he could or any new change for now, how did you get um this information? Like a Tommy Boy reached out to you guys or you guys weas out the time boy if I releasing this and that, Yeah, I mean Tom Suleman reached out excuse me, individual number one. Yeah, yeah, he reached out to us, you know, just doing trying

to do the right business. I got the I got the catalog back, and I want to release you guys stuff. Now. He got it back through Rhino, right because I believe Rhino had it because I was trying to get my thing back at the same time of that. Paul so um, So he comes to y'all and he says he at first he wanted to do a deal with it, like he or what it was. He presented option, the option

we spoke about that we felt was unfavorable. It was either we do this if we didn't respond at a certain time, then he would resort back to original contracts, which was contracts we signed from one. So we responded. We responded and saying that you know, we responded like we were supposed to. Yeah, So it was supposed to then go from there, but we didn't really get any communication going until the final hour, pretty much almost about

a year. So we kept trying to get in touch with him and our lawyers was trying to reach out, and uh, we heard nothing from because I imagine this had to be like the last rout of you guys going to the internet. I imagine it was talks, you know, prior to that, well, it was definitely talks. So it was a lot of talk, you know, it was evaluated what was in front of us and really trying to figure out work to do, how to approach him, knowing

knowing who he is. All together we've been in a relationship, you know how so you truly got to thank for your yourself for the team, you know, and you know, once we became came to a meeting of the minds of who we knew we're dealing with, it was time to strike. But we didn't give him the opportunity to speak in the very final hour. And then speaking in the final hour, he didn't want to make any changes.

And to me now, speaking about my own situation, because I tried to get my two albums as well on the War Report and one of the things on in the r E album, he didn't he didn't want to negotiate with me because he said it wasn't be cooped And I'm like, who gives a funding this be coop to? Not moving forward? Why not split we go? Like you know what I'm saying, Like, isn't that the simplest thing? Like And I'm not trying to like you know, like like you know, be smarter than what I'm supposed to be.

But what I'm saying is, why wouldn't me go fifty fifty alcohol there? I would be happy to promote this ship. You know what I'm saying. Some of these kids don't even don't even like something. So man, this is this is an emotional topic for me because I'm directly affected. So when I seen you guys on the internet, um, moving around a little bit. Let me let me how did it feel to see the hip hop community you know standwich like, I mean, yeah, it's it's it's always

a good feeling. Um, we kind of felt there was there with you said, so I kind of felt that they was there, Okay, you know, just just waiting. I mean we you know, from from the climate of what we felt with our kickstarter. Yeah, you know that climbing kind of told us that people out there who care. So when it was time to sound off, we kind of felt like it was gonna we was gonna have, you know, an alliance. But it turned out a little you know, it's it was honestly say, it was comforting.

It felt it made the decision to feel right, you know, especially for somebody like hole Hold maybe don't honestly say maybe been in the room with him maybe three times my whole career, you know, and don't even just know each other through the music that spoke voluables. Well, you help raise all of us, you know what. It's the artist absolutely yeah, and then nas Nas question Droby, you know master Ace. I mean, I'm sure at one time

or another everybody said this story. So you know, you see people coming together, artist fans, whomever, because in some way, shape or form, they've either heard it and affected by it, you know, let it to it somehow. So I mean wet So we had a few records exact people reach out behind the scenes, you big students. You know what I'm saying is like in my mind, I felt like it was probably hard for a lot of record exact

people to speak out. I don't think it is anymore. Well, I'm just trying to say, like unless they have dealt and done this to other artists themselves, so it's kind of hard to be pointing a finger, you know. You know what it is. It's kind of fly now to own your masters, like you know, like like back then, like we weren't really thinking about that, like I'm speaking about myself now, yeah, like I was thinking about it advance, you know what I'm saying, getting some jury, you know

what I'm saying. And now I was like, it's like it's fly to actually own your your material, you know what I'm saying, because we want to leave something to your your children. So the thing about it is like you haven't seen a person that you know lives in the projects for thirty years. They don't they don't own it, but it's their house. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It was like, you know what I got, I got on set literally prices for for not a lest years.

They faint red, but that is there that she feels like she owns it. And like the projects, a good thing to do do the pro to do is tell you know what you should have on that, you know what I'm saying, You still on that and that's Tom Sillerman. If you're listening, because I know you are you. I know you are Tom Sillerman, And dude listening, this is the best time for you to lead the pack. You lead the way and say, you know what, I'm gonna stop doing business. We're looking at it in this way.

You can take this time and you can flat this whole ship and you can be there with us. Say you know what, I'm gonna get a friendly presentation so everybody and then you feel queen land teeth was gonna come out and only body, Nationship and everybody else is gonna say, you know what, this is the guy we were wishing me with a new back. Then you can lead the path. You can lead the path, trust me, you know what I'm saying. So we got that out the way. We could keep going. I mean, you know,

oh yeah, gonna go back back into it. But I'll say that's much more, you know. I I like to give people the opportunity to change because we have been given an opportunity based on how we grew up, where we come from, what we could have been doing, based rock Me as a thing that actually been a significant part of growing us to be the men we've become, you know. So I would like to say he would change,

but I don't know. I don't know the way we've done business over the years, and the man I've sat next to talking business with, I don't know if he really has the ability to change. So I'll worry about that. But you know what, maybe it's you know, sometimes in order for it to change, sometimes you got to look at yourself in America. So maybe so maybe this is it because maybe he just doesn't It made me think this is it's just us. Maybe fix it is just you.

Maybe think it's just me. Maybe thinks it's just a lot of people. So maybe he sees this interview, Like I said, he's gonna see this because I would watch it if I was him, And maybe he see this interview and say, like, we're not trying to be unfair and we're not trying to dis you, disrespect your legacy, disrespect your name or anything. In fact, we're proud of it.

We want to claim our history. And the guy, I mean, you know what I'm saying, I will honestly saying by by signing to Tommy BOYD was a significant part of what their legacy was then yes, yes, and that's that's I may not start home. So shignic false bottom z five them soones with Jake. You know, I feel like you know, we've embodied that, all of us. You know, we've all taken a piece of that on into our succesch swea, the blood swear, the tests for that, whether

we claim it or not. We were all that, were all and it's fair fun to share that. Like when we spending we're out here those guys stories that's that far different? Well they might be even worse. You know what I'm saying. To think about y'all, y'all leading the packet, the things that y'all maya is y'all knew how to use the internet, Like you know what I'm saying, Like so many people don't know how to use the internet, bro, you know what I'm saying, Like y'all used perfect because

you did not this? Did you know? You didn't say you say you just said I said that my bad time. You know what I'm saying. But um, you guys knew how to use the internet. And so what what is your end result? What do you think they get we get in with this? What? What is what what make it at this part ownership owning it all right, owning owning my catalog, that would make a world of difference, That make that make it that make it easier to

show for work right? And what do ye think at a moment, at a moment like as an artist, because that's little ship. That ship is really like we worked hard for something and really know that. But we were doing a young man in front of the world. And you know it's time to make that right man, It's time to make that right now. And all fairness to the business we've been dunk doing. We've done nothing less than partnerships since they left. So and here it is.

We've been blessed to do a shoot. We've been blessed to continue to tour tremendously. I mean Lobberry Congress, I mean you know Library of Congress with the catalog that people can't even get, you know, so you know, I look at you know, my comrades such as yourself missing only in particular when she had a great moment like fifteen years after work it and did the Super Bowl. Bro,

she does it like a million downloads. I didn't work it if I'm not more so, I was kind of speculating what could it have been for us behind the White House? Yeah, that you know what could have been just potentially being Obama's request, you know, all right to perform at the White House with comment in the roots and doing me myself and I tem just be my laws. Let's do it ship man. We gotta get this right man.

And again moving forward to to new artists who watching this, Uh, I want to you know, people to know that it was a lot harder to get off back then. Show you actually had you actually had to have skills now to say you guys don't have skills at a different time and ever so, and I mean to tell you got to outright everyone in your barrel when everybody to get to ale, it was will Will Will Will Will

back then. I mean definitely coming from our demographics because I think we our gateway was always trying to get on the radio. We had to get on radio to be able to do our think. I mean, I wish we were able to do it like n W A or too Short. I wish we could sell out the car in New York. We would have never had this issue was always getting to that conduit which was up in the beginning, in the beginning, that that's that that was the goal was uh, you know radio radio, I think,

I think, And it was cool. It wasn't tuning I'm affordably take yeah. Yeah. It wasn't art as hell or was it easy cool? It was hard if we you how to even get somebody's attention, like Prince Paul, like you always heard somewhere Big co sign. It was very sodom that somebody want to rack contest like steps to sign Ago whoever? You know what the fact boys who

want to rack contest. We knew Prince Paul, but but I had to get his attention first, not take a minute, you know what I mean, and hoping that the stars just lined up, which they did obviously, but even even then he didn't make no problem. So it's based on the position. And Chris Paul was a producer as well. Rights remember sign okay Ya and his groundbreaking his y'all were at the time too. That was did y'all think we might like it might be difficult to break this music? Yo?

As basically saying success for us was hearing Magic the World World premiere, and I was off to the military. He was already in architectural school. He was off the college. It's like we was about to move on with the life. Yeah, to get a re up to do like Pottles in my long He's like, okay, you know me something you know. And then there was Potoles and Jennifer, and Jennifer was out of respect answer to Jim Browski because we were the jungle brothers. With Jenny, it was like Jenny Jimmy

and became buddies after a while. Right, let me ask you your because your names and fell back with y How did you come up with that? Who? What? Po started like yoga? Yeah? Yeah, I started the back which okay, how did you start with that? Um? I love this name ball stop sound uh as a DJ like I just want you know. My mother was from the country wins Burro, Georgia, and she always was saying in my house,

you know you better like eat up everything. And you played like take that bread and stop up the soul sounds like he was a d J playing on the sounds and stop up all these sounds for DJ. So when I started back towards trying to be an MC, I just turned everything backwards. Pass suck came pass yes sound became do new You know what I'm saying. That's right story for twenty years and even are you want some more work? Yeah? Yeah, but we got white wine.

You got white wine. Got take a bowl? You requested it, so we went and found take a bowl here here, give us some more. What do you You don't drink? I don't drink. That's some one that's a wine associaf he got that. We don't know if y'all know. But our show is to give all people they flowers where they can smell. I hate the fact that when you've got ten years of more in this game, people want to say you washed, but in every other genre of music or every other they say you season. So I

don't want to change the genre. And I think I'm cool enough to do it. You feel me because I don't want to push all legends now need to be like yo, that nigger with my nigger. I'm telling you right now. I love you, brothers, my brothers, I love y'all. I don't raise me. Y'all raised me. I've heard all your albums, and it would be I would be lesser than a man for me to be able to sit here and tell y'all. How great y'all man, you understand saying And that's when we got to our community. Gotta

start changing that. Man. I don't take me nothing less to say that you're great and what you guys, your legacy should be in gold. Let us heaverywhere. You know what I'm saying like that, I shouldn't take nothing away for me, my brother. You know what I'm saying. You know that the Mate was one of the first to reach out. Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's true. Within this is an industry. He was like, you, I'm a big fan with y'all doing. I can't wait to go. You're

not gonna drink talking about what y'all gonna slop. God do I remember for a right one day he was DJ for me the old time. I was like, yo, Jill's like, already keep it for it. Oh man, I'm so excited to have y'all in man. Um, So let's go. Let's let's take it back to the very first album. I want to Let's thank you nine correct, l I got no hold on, hold on little I gotta know,

I'm trying to step my game. My phone on, alright, cool, alright, cool on Okay, yeah, next to night and not okay, like a not excuse me, uh we feel high rising first album, guys are going in what is your mind? Friend? Who? Who's out? By the way, who? Who? Who's out? Like that? That's yeah, DC was but you know, of course everybody rock him. You know a pmd T was early nighting. Okay, So try us, y'all, little brother, Yeah, hit us right, you don't get to yah. The Day to Tell was

like nine hundred was like the first Hue Tank. So the first album, Okay, y'all going there like who because you know, in your mind when you're making records, you want to be better than somebody something who who? Yeah? Who was a was a public enemy y'all was like because you don't, I don't know if it was about being better though, Okay, I mean what did we aspire to be? Like? There you go? That's from d MC carress one Ultramagnetic Ultramagnetic yea, not definitely, you know, but

we were students of all that. We were students of Treacherous three and all that. You know, BDP. You know, I'm I'm a little all over the place people, you know, okay, okays used to coming up to the school box and flys and all physical favorite we all he touched us all the same truck, the only outside of who could come up to our school without the principal kicking them out. Yeah, I'm dislikable when you'll see people like for real, do

y'all do do you do? You? Because you know he's he's direct correctly, y'all, like you know what I'm saying, like a whupe fiasco. Uh even like Jake Hole, like you know what I'm saying. So it can't be like when you when you when you see artists like that, do you see yourselves and them? Definitely? I mean even like our future like y'all yeah, yeah you know yeah, Especi see picture we our future. Yeah, I can see

I can see him and him tap into y'all. Now, Now, who who was artists as fans fans of y'all that you never expected? Who's as Day Chappelle is a big one. He's huge days So man um man, I never thought of Russell Peters at the Comedian. I got to know Russell over the years, but when I first met him,

I had no idea. Right now, honestly, I mean, I'm sorry to cut you, but For me, it was always like to see like hard rock made his funk with us, Like Yo, the day I met Um when we was rock recorded Anonymous Nobody Elseum and I met Uh, I met Twin and he just came up to me like yo, like I'm a Daylight fan and like, you know, I'm so used to listening to him and all the Alchemists

Beasts and yeah, you know what I'm saying. It was just like just dope to see how he was really into a ship like Cameron, you camera, you know I can see that. Yeah, I can't imagine not being a fan of Yards. I know that's to be. That should be like like that should be like like the first like if you get a hip hop card, like that should be like the first question, like we are you at your Daylight Soul list? Like you brother, you know what I mean, You're gonna pass this course, you ain't

getting no card. We're gonna start making hip hop cards. Man. So when it's definitely finding out the different songs catch like like rock Cam like Saturdays Cam, like I know and that you think dudes are like something Honor like Peace Parts or something like that. But now he's like right, like Saturday's cam, like I know, from three three ft high. So it's funny. That's a beautiful thing, man. So now let me get to uh Tupac Man. At one point Tupac hadn't been because y'all was cool at first. We

were watching. So we move from digital digit pocket like you know, like Parks smoke, so we did. The crazy thing is just come from well, I think it started from what the video for ego tripping, Um when you got to the big eyes. No, we're we're in this uh, we're in this mansion. You know, we're making fun of ourselves in terms of like playing off, like if we have an ego, but someone's questioning it. So Dave's riding around in his car. It says like he don't even

own it. Stuff like that that checks and stuff like that. But I guess Park thought, um, we're basically Adrian was managing him at the time. Reached out to to our people's right at Tommy Boy and he was just like yo, he just feels like, um, y'all are trying to playoff in this I Get around video and he was like yo, and he was like pop, it wasn't even like this did you do underground pot right he just first first

okay when money fees in that single? Yeah, yeah, So and the way it was related to us, like Pok was just just disappointed because he he loved us, mean, and we immediately let him know. Liken, like we had no thought about that. We didn't even see the I see the angle. Yeah I don't notice that. I would probably said something, but I didn't even notice it. But I mean like kind of known when he was alive. I'll apologize straight up because I I didn't see that,

and and that's definitely works on the intentions. I love the brother. Yeah, it was unfortunately weird because when we were told, I mean, we immediately was like, no, that's not even the case. And then Adrian gave me the number to speak to him, so you know that's by that time, he had a crib out in Atlanta. Um I tried to call him. I missed. I think I missed this call. I called him back, but I left the message. I said, YO, hit me back. He never

hit me back. But so then like maybe or whatever year or so later, when you hear hear what was going on the album, it just called us off guard because you know, populous people. I mean, I remember a time went on. You did a show out in the Bay, you know, great show, and after the show, I'm standing outside and some dude came up on me like yo,

you know, like you just send Caress one. I was like what, Like I was like carresponds a god to me, Like no, no, because you said in that song Aple Connections, you know you're not a vegetarian, You're not scared of beef. And I'm like, it's just a metaphor thing and what's gonna cares one of the vegetarian and he does. So then the dude was just trying to get at me, and Pop came out of nowhere. It's like you're young, and like that's you know, that's people's and like so

Pok kind of saved me from any problem. So I mean, like pak was always a good people to us. So it's saddened it happened because we just didn't understand where it where it came from. Left really got a chance to fix me. We tried, but didn't even know that I'm talking about like this man, it had even been four or five years ago. I ran into assist at the airport in Atlanta and she was like, Yo, Pap was a really good fan of yours. And she was like,

I'm telling you straight up, like he loved y'all. He would just hurt when it happened. And I guess you know at that point, you know, Parky led his heart. So yeah, well that's what it was. I'll bless you too. Got your own dunk sleeper. Ye, goddamn in that night. Huh how did that come about it? Yeah? We did two of those two wrong. I think the first one might have been like two thousand and four. Yeah, yeah,

we had the high Time three guys. Yeah. Yeah. People throw at the eghs was like teenage ninja ninja turtles. They would they like nicknamed them that, but they don't when I do what, they're the champagne. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Come on, Yeah, years later to talk about it out. Yeah, yeah, leaving at home on purpose, leaving home two much, lady, you called me before you got a whole case. By the way, I want to

let y'all know if you switch the lot one of more. Okay, I'm gonna let y'all know if you're gonna take this, we do not claim this. We do not. We do not promote this. We know that this is the worst thing ever. Yeah, we're all well aware that we are search in general that comes out. But we celebrate hip hop. Okay, damn give me a decent side. Okay, No, decent side usually made me disrespecting Bill here, don't you got you said you wanna take woman? Y'all heard you? I just

he was funny. Yeah, they went and found it. Man, you make out the world it is. It just went crazy. We gottamore who We celebrate y'all legacy tonight. Let me tell y'all, y'all legends. We support y'all with y'all movement. We love y'all, and we left big people. We're gonna do doing that. Everybody got something, ye yill man, he said, what is that? That wasn't talking, boy man, there was lying Boone's tasted like boy, you tire? That was horrible.

That's healthy, right, Hope it is hope straight. You're right? Did you every thing hip hop would be just big? No? No, I mean hip hop was enormous At Run DMC, that was big enough. You know, walked this way. You know, you couldn't even think how much bigger it could get, you know, what they were doing. And I guess I guess you know, when you were a kid man, all you thinking is like Norri said, like you thinking just

how you gonna benefit from this directly? You know I'm gonna I mean a chain, I'm gonna be you know, I'm gonna be doing it. But you never look at it as you know, a business and you know, income extensions and branding all that. Yeah, we never thought that. But it's nice to see it happening. Man, it's it's it's a beautiful thing to see us to us opening bigger doors and and getting into bigger and better places. And you know that, I guess the what kind of

is where we are at this time? And hopefully it can revert back to you know, the artists of a goal. It's his ownership of things, you know. You know, it's good to see the new young folks, you know, doing a business accordingly to a different standard. But you know, there's a lot of us, you know, who are even before us. It's like I always say to myself, why

isn't there a Vegas show of hip hop? You know, why isn't there a show where it's like it's you know who see you know what they're doing it now, they're doing it. I think two Chains has one and he's like, he's like he's a young Yeah, he's a dress I just left l a and because a billboard in front of the hotel. So they they they're getting more. I think Nellie had one president. I'm talking about even bigger than that, Like you know Blue Man Group. Why

isn't there a presentation? You know, I think we can go in those directions, and that's where you can begin to incorporate brothers like Grandmaster Flash and Bellie Mail and Work and people who deserve those positions and that should be part of owning things and being a part of the history and the legacy of it. You know, we don't expect them always excuse me to put to put records out, that's not what you know, really expecting them to do. But there should be opportunities for them to

reap off of the what they create. The architect absolutely, and it's not about that era of saying our older guards got to come at somebody and and expect something. There's enough money to be made, where like an opportunity you know you've seen it done. Another genres right, So it's not like we are. It's a motown review. Why wouldn't it be a profile review? Are? You know what I'm saying, Like if you have these artists, and what do you guys think about, like the streaming that like

the director to consumer. You know what I'm saying, Is that something that you guys are fans of or you know? Um, I wouldn't say we're against it, you know what I'm saying, Like because I imagine the time. I remember at one point I wouldn't throw a record out and it wouldn't get to Japan, So you know what I'm saying. Sixteen days later and I remember a time where in order for the record to get to London, I had to physically go there. Right, Yeah, I'm getting old old, you

know what I'm saying. I don't know if you I'm not stop. I don't know. If you remember we was at your show at Subterranean and London You've got totally shock. Everyone knew your lyrics. Oh yes, damn man comes a

car you yo, yo, listen, listen to yo. Yes, no, I remember when I've seen y'all in London and it was it's lousy right in London and y'all, and I said, we are doing it's like you gotta show in two weeks and I was like day bed two weeks and I remember, I remember that was doing features ya kidding? And I never I had never knew that. That had never made sense to me until ten years later. I said, holy ship doing exactly what they right, Yo, that's it. That's ship is ill like how life? How life? You

know what I'm saying? Comes together and I think, you she gotta be some noise. But I got what But let me get back to the point I was trying to make. Was I remember I used to have to picity. I could go to like to a London didn't or to a jamaicap or to a scott or whatever to like promote the record. Now I can actually drop it one place and you can actually see from the comments this guy's from Switzer Ryan this. I think that's amazing. Question. You know what I'm saying, how you feel like? I mean,

do you get them take? I would need to entertainment to take is you know we're really making no money off this anymore. Now we're kind of using our music more to promote and got game money and resentuals off in other areas. I tell yourself something, when you look at the streaming the people who pay them most and I'm not on jay Z's pay roll, it's title. Why is that? Like? Why is title given paying the artists more?

Like like Apple? We can put it on Apple, even put it on Spotify and put it on a title. Why is specifically paying more paying more? It's because it's got a lot of to do it whole and pro artist. You know, the beauty or of his position, in my opinion is the period is now. You got a coach who played the game, right, there's we always other coaches who never played the game. Why are we gonna just go out of supports titles? Why? Why has he banging

on that? Why is it investing in that for the last When are we going to like suppower our own like y'all great examples, because like like I'm sorry you cut you up, but I'm like when y'all said something the whole if I like the whole hip hop community, like I have power right now, you know what I'm saying, Like I wanted to let you let you know that y'all in the position of real power because it's it's even the young kids are tuned in because they said,

you know, nas is there, Hold is dead, and that the subject, the subject matter is what matters. So, um, how do we how do how do uh capitalize? I mean, it's great to monetize it. It's great to be able to harness it and and changing change it into opportunities to earn from. But you know, it's like, because of the subject matter that we're dealing with right now, I also see the opportunity to make legislation, you know, to help your artists, future artists coming. You know, we could

all monetize this. There's great ways to to make that happen. But we also got to think that the power is greater than just dollars and cents. So, I mean, so I would love to see what comes out of our you know madness. It's legislation changing man, people fighting and pushing for that. Hopefully this is this will inspire an attorney.

Hopefully this will inspire young entrepreneur or someone who's in the game right now who feels like we need to just change the rules a little bit, you know, So capitalizing off it can be dollars and sense, but streaming the business model behind streaming is still unfavorable. You know. I just think Title is the best company, doing the best they can based on their competitors, because they still got to compete, you know what I mean. And you

can't eat Robert Hood. He can't. I means much as he's trying to be still can't be a fool in business. But do you guys have any of those aspirations to to lead that way or be leaders and and make your own companies and consult companies to to avoid these things for future artists? Inspired inspired to be and a lot of it comes out of these mistakes, you know, because that experience we need, that we need that. You know, I'm always down to be the model for change. You know.

The minute I touched hip hop culture and changed my life period based on what I know it could have been. So therefore I was always inspired to do the thing. But it can it is, you know, I want, I wanted to learn. I was at Rush all the time. I was still attributed a big part of my success today to the things I've learned around Elizabeth Street Rush, all this management. You know, people just people have may be hey man, we was a carduit even for Chrisler. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. We we was there before all of them. Yeah, so and here it is. I would say, it's but even our mistakes in that situation that allowed trying to do with dead doing a lot others to do with dead doom at Chris like you to even be the guy he looked at to be like, yo, you take over then. And one thing I can say, y'all, I'm proud of every decision we made, good and bad. Lisa was ours and we live in Pla was hours when we learned from him. Yeah, but it's a what

I'm mushing your guyana non don't know, y'all. Stuff with each other, always going in the back. They were really people sometimes because a whole bunch of fights back. I'm a but but I like it, like it's crazy because today you can't very very early, all right, That's true. You would have to come out. You know, I'm the early nagg. I'm the early thinking and Pold is always the late thig and I'm just sort of your face. It was like past, I'm not sure if you're the

early guy. Listen, I don't actually funding me coming back. I want to access that has he even the lake out lately? You can literally don't you think I'm the early guys? He just asks you to act as I think when I got When it comes to the club, when it comes to the clubs as the earliest, I'd like to be there when he's clock. No one's said, still sweeping, who what are you doing? Him going to the club when no one is like when they still open it up and people want still wiping down the tables.

This ship he got, his bottle of rum, makes some going to finish. We walked up, man, So what what this one is the best? That's the best. That hip hop is stuff for you man? Yeah? It a for the us, a chance to travel all around the world, right, learn a lot, you know, I mean, and I'm sure you can attest to it. I mean, we all feel

where we're from is our world. It's our goal. And when you're able to travel, you can see the differences, and then you can also see what is so similar with you and someone from Sweden or someone from Cali. You know, support my family, yeah, without question, you know, doing something you love love, Yeah, and that's the biggest thing that finding out, Uh, I got something for moment love question for y'all or actually a story she wants

to hear. They don't let it be about she said, a fight on she said me another one too, Oh god, she said, he's from the team. Big fight at Queen the teeth is be their party mks in Manhattan. Oh gosh, you got a story for that one the Kingdom man I mean it was Rocket not too Dave too. That was Christal. Was they slash christ it was? It was a night Chris Letting got cutting his face. I never know this story ship. Yeah, so it was Padnimonia that night.

That's all you know, you stuck for your family and handle ship. Yeah, pretty much. It was one of us. Don't tips that. No jungle was Jungles. Of course the ladies was then all a lot of people from Amity, but just it got crazy. But you know so that it was kind of one and not only that. I don't all that was going on. Somebody tried to steal uh just the cash. Yeah, the club. The club never

heard of this. What was what was wild about that night person to me is that this is pre internet and and that happened like people in UK heard about it because I guess at that point it were just getting on the phone and calling somebody, right yo, like this, Yeah, I still have facts, but she ain't gonna lot of school. Yeah. We gotta with the we gotta with the paper roll or just the individual paper roll. Yeah, yeah, we got the analog. I'm great my life. Yeah, I still got

a package. Yeah, y'all mentioned Jungle Brothers. We've got to talk about the creation of native to Yeah, yeah, I mean native tongue. We had this gig in Boston and Jungle was on on the bill as well, and that's when Us Jungle and that's who was native tough to begin with. It was US tribe and Jungle. Any idea came from from Jungle Brothers from Africa. Okay Africa. Yeah, we met at we out of the gig exchange numbers.

Wanted up hanging out. And when you say Africa, we said about it after the baby bag Jungle Brothers, Oh yeah, yeah, Africa, j bs Um. We did a show with Jungle Brothers in Boston, met them and then from there we just created a relationship and then eventually we was in the studio and and we invited them to the studio. For us, it was like studio is just like inviting friends and if you happen to be there, you're gonna be a

part of what's going on. Because back then we had rails email correct, right, So you had to be in the studio. Yeah, I said, I said that said about that. You know what, I'm like, you just running out a little doors, like you had to go to the niggas Like remember I remember I had to go to the seabuster rhynd. So I had to bring the rail there. It was like the day of my life. Literally, ship, we have to work out CHRISTI fun before you before

you could even record, you have to strike the tape. Yeah, you have to run the whole tape all the way. They put medio that this preset was our final mixus. Man, Yeah, was this guy's got it so easy? Man? Oh my god. You bird a punch And I didn't know what a punching was until two thousand and five. About I'm just saying, I ain't punching for I ain't punching until two thousands for work. Because I'm told about Unique Studios. Most of my ship from those days with Unique study deals. At

that time, Unique was not digital at all. Criteria out here It was not digital at all, so it was it was one take Charlie for me, Like, that's how it comes from that area. You gotta don't get away from that. That's why that's why our music. I just se y'all niggers the news this, y'all. That's why our

music sound much better than y'all. That's why y'all. Ship even listen to your album eight now and listen to somebody from right now, you can like, look, look how because because these guys aren't even mixing right now, they just they just pointed a little bit. I throw it out right. They don't give a fun music so disposable right now. Back then, the music lasted that whole year. That's why I get called to the classic. You didn't listen to an album for a week. Listen to an

album that old fucking year, all the credits. I'll be dropping it right. I'm dropping balls right now, right, Holy ship, it was better back there. I don't know if you talk to yourself, if you can say your mind sometimes I'm not. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, let's look

at the quality of it, the qualities. Listen, how many classics came out like right now, it's probably one classic album that came out last year, probably right saying J Cole, Yeah, yeah, it'll probably be It'll probably be less than ten if we really get crazy, like we wouldn't use all of all. But in the nineties, like everybody that dropped was a class I mean, it has to be something too not

compare in the process. The process was more difficult back then, where now it's like you can you can record album on your phone right right that because the process you want to be careful and make sure whatever you put us exactly what you wanted to put out. I would imagine its product it's more of a field, you know. I feel like now it's definitely more of a field. You can make something on your laptop, press the button,

it is out. You know, it's I guess like how you're saying it's like listening to music that it would be like extra p making a beat in his crib. Is how the finished product for younger cats now sound like actually can get to beat the nads And now you're going to give it to the engineer because because to be fair to say, young cats right now they might be thrown out what would have just been demo records. You know what I'm saying, It's like, throw it out.

I didn't want it right, but you gotta, you gotta, you gotta respectfully understand what the technology. You know, my my kids, young cats listen to everything in headphones and buds. You know what I'm saying. It's not about bumping in your systems. What I'm saying because because you should do mixes in all forms on headphones on all go in the car. This is in the car. Know, working with Pream the other day he did to say and thinking like yoo, okay, I gotta go to I gotta go

to the car. He got he had to hear it. And you ever been a studio with frame and he makes a crazy beach in the racing terrible definitely. Yo. Let me tell you something that hurt my feelings. One day, I'm sitting there, I'm hitting with PREMI and was like and I'm like that is it and he goes it ain't right. I wrote you two telling me that you yeah, and you like, I know you the perfectionist thing now, I know who you are. You know the buns. I

plant motherfucker right here. She got to be right, and I love it about him, like because I'm the one who and he we like work so well together, Like I'm the one who, like yo, I like what I did because I just felt something. But David been like your morse. But I'm telling you could say it better, you can do it better, like Dave has always been that that first of all potential, right Yeah, you gotta see ptention on everything. Yeah yeah, and push that as

far as you can. So that's just my fix. That one of the first of one with Jae Della correct went around that time running False Side really no False Side False Side got before us did. He did. He did on the album remix for fart Side. He did an album he did, drop Dropping and Druning. Yeah yeah yeah. J J. Dill did Drop Running and he did. Yeah. I think yeah, I think I think Dela got in with with with False Hide before us Tribe obviously, yeah

Buster probably yeah yeah. YEA was just undeniable man. Yeah yeah. Got an album covering out on mal Or Yeah yah yeah. Premium sold on the Rocks, Rocking Premiums. Incredible Challenge was parted three. Yeah, because we eat on Tommy Boy Damn I said the name we was okay, y this okay out of bust because we could have said some I real have got another type of boat out on the you gonna get this race it. But but we were, Jeff were gentlemen the old feel the same way. I'm up.

I was just trying to say we were when we were still on Tommy Boy and we wanted to do like a triple album. You know, it was like, Yo, this could be really a dope thing to do. But then then you say triple album. Wouldn't I need him clarify it would have at the time. Yeah, I came out with a noble and we was like, well, let's top all of that and do a triple But you know, exactly exactly, No, man, this is this just like how you said, we're trying to be We are a gentleman here.

We you know, we get it when when a person deserves it. But Thomson was like, that's crazy. He didn't like he just came up with a better idea. Why why Well maybe and I just couldn't be baby, Yeah, but what was that idea? Why do three records when you could just do three installments? Like why do you record three budget per You know what I'm saying that good and that's what actually yeah, yeah, that's when the A Y series came. One of us that much music. Man,

something gets lost in there, you do. You feel like you're waiting from that song that So that was a good idea and we did a o I one. We then O I T Yeah, and we still got to do a O I three. So that's something that we were coming around to it telling me what folding you know what I'm saying. Wow, And that's when everyone went into the to the WIA matrix and then labels was trying to pick what they want. Electro one at us. So we actually met with Electra well Sylvia Rosa because

we are talking right folded. We all got absolved. Yeah, I've been yeah, I've been the same. It's crazy like the back back yea technically label made yeah technically you know. I was a promoter for Time man. Okay, tell you Sylvia really wanted us on Electric to be wrong. Yeah, I think Wrong's She's an epic man. We want black CEOs, right, yeah, we you know, we met with her. Look like it could be a good thing, you know, we were we were kind of like, yo, like this could be cool.

But she wanted us to do the entire album with Timberland, and it was like, all right, you know, we don't necessarily know Tim like that, we would like to know if people be interested, But then we kind of had our organic way of doing things, like we didn't have been ill you know what I'm saying. I see that though, so you know, it just didn't work out. She wanted certain things creatively we weren't, you know, yeah, just like just like they just I'll give any creative opportunity, you know, shot,

But I really didn't see that. I don't wish it would tie Tim, but I see for World War so if our world would have he would have what held Because I heard, you know, play your music. I know because the back y'all y'all sound I'm personally driving, So okay, you no, I'm just saying, like, just like as y'all were saying and David saying earlier, Um, you know, you get props with props to do what I mean, Like Tommy Boy always allowed us to just have free reign

over our creativity. So immediately seeing Sylvia trying to control it kind of made us me like, I don't know if we could it would be it would work it when you felt like it controlling it always at a suggestion, because you know, you figured I knew Sylvia, you know from Renee of Clean being there that I was like my brother in law. You know, I would always powers

that would step up there a lot. So you know, she was just very like adamant on, like, yo, and I see this vision for y'all attempt to do the Oh album. You know what I'm saying. Our manager at the time, Corey Smith, you know who was listening. Yeah, you know, Um, it just didn't seem like it would work out the way we would want it to be. So she was cool with us saying like, you know,

we don't need to be there. You know, we felt like that wouldn't be where we wanted to be, and Atlantic going through trying to pull us in, and even the gentleman who was overseeing everything, he was the head of we are, like we want to this. He was like a big day life and he's like, yo, why don't you just be Warner Brothers. But we was like, look, there's a perfect opportunity to be to be independent. So we kind of asked for it, and you know, it was the best thing to ever had in our career.

I mean that's like the biggest blessing man, just to be depending. Yeah. Yeah, there was there a learning curve that you when you were independent, you had to figure things out that you didn't know. No, no, you're just already kind of knew. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean we kind of made sense. It was comment sense, yeah, pretty much. And the responsibility ultimately it was on us everything in the parts board and not to cut you.

I'm still going back to that. We we spent so many years having control of how to do things creatively, but and could see at like say with us being wanna rush rush and death jam of course was so blended. We would see how Russell would talk to their artist like your hell, you gotta do this. You'll get on a train, go get it with boys the man go. You know what I'm saying, Yo, you know matth, you gotta do this. Like we just we couldn't go to a label and having a label telling Daylight what to do.

We have to be able to do what we need to do. So we need to be on our own. We needed to be independent to stay in control of what we wanted to do. You know what and you you honestly like me an independent more than the main Yo. Well, I mean we would never major. I think when you think some would say someone say that, I would say that, I think I say point, I mean yeah, yeah, because you can't be that Actually was all penalty backers when I was Yeah, that was boys a little yeah so

um so yeah. So so essentially that means that to all settlement was the I mean the time boy was the distributing, so that so that that yourself made them better. I mean, of course the comfort of a label was like it almost feel like you got staff you know already there. People know their job, they know the business, they know how to get around. So the comfort of having a a company of corporation as a team, you know, Master Philli, you got a partners. Yeah, mass Pillar is

a dope. I'm throwing the project with them, a dope, let's dope, dope. They're doing good things there. Yeah, it's probably the best of both worlds in the sense. Yeah, the last album we put out anonymous nobody and then as nobody, you know master Phil wants to be involved. Um, this is the crowd funding. Yeah, yeah, wanted to have someone. Yeah, we don't even have someone dis I did think let

me ask you real. Sorry that good, but did y'all break I felt like y'all broke records in terms of artists raising money, did you or at least look, let's let's get into that. Let's get it, because that to me was I mean, I saw what was going. I was getting all the emails one side of the game, but I was getting all the evening. It would be wasting money for the budget of the album. Yeah, and they raised an incredible amount of money. Yeah, it was

six hundred gan um days. Yeah, didn't waste voice for that. Man seriously made the noise from fans. Man, you know, it was those smokes that came out. I mean, it's it's it's you know, it's a flattering thing. Eleven thousand people raised six hundred thousand dollars. How what was the budget? Was? How much did you put that you were trying to raise? We were trying to get one fifteen Yeah, yeah, obviously we have seen it that in three hours and were

like three hours when week hours? You know, And I feel like the man, I don't think number the number was contented on what we were looking at around the industry at the time when we were considering that there what was coming. We're star ranging from a hundred to a hundred and fifty, so anybody road of what we thought was okay, what was achievable. It's a difficult thing to excuse me mas to be asking for money. It started and it almost a human you know, feeling like,

am I begging here? Am I gonna look like I ain't got it? And we live at the time of the internet way there's some people who so it was kind of weird. So we didn't want to seem like we was greedy. We didn't want to seem like we couldn't afford it because those were that wasn't that The idea was too almost raise the awareness that you could do this our sounds and it's pre sales. Really then you do donate, they get the album. It was a man like a lot of you know, we offered a

lot of things. You know, if you if you give up five grand, you go toy shopping with Dave. If you give up five grand, you go money man. So that time we got the recognize what do you get? You got the flash and also I'm sorry Dave. Within context of it, all immediately working on the album. We were working on the album, and we all knew labels that were actually interested immediately off the top, you know,

from the band we worked with to ourselves. We have people definitely wanting to hear it without hearing anything, very interested in doing anything but Davis. But as creative we were allowing ourselves to give the album. Is what made us once again think that from a creative standpoint, we put this on the album because we put a song with you know, I don't know us and David Byrne and he's singing and then we rhyme like could we

really do that? And that's what made us think like, well, why don't we raise the money to just keep it be able to keep it totally creative, you know what I'm saying. And I have a label think like, well, yo, we're like you gotta you gotta put Kodak Black one. It's one record I love astrictions that wouldn't come with

being on a label with a short budget. You know what I mean hearing is it was already twelve years we had made a record, so you know, looking at just the business side of it, that wasn't a good thing. For us, no one. We couldn't done a good sort that you guys did it because I think yeah we congratulations congratulations as well? Why why why? Why why are you ain't positive? Why you ain't uh trying to be like the head of Sony. You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying, Like is that is that our next? You know? You know what I'm saying, because like is it? We really are people from within or at least systems? You think that's the thing. You know what I'm saying. Not for us, I'll speak for myself perfect Like I can see you like a Spotify like you know, you know what I'm saying, like like like something like that, that's something interested in not me personally. And I think that I got those type of people

in my band, but not me personally. Okay, it's um, I'm a creative, That's that's who I am. I got ideas, you know. Now, Can I see myself in a position where I'm you know, creatively you know, pushing this preaching company to consulting? Right? Absolutely? But you know I think the the executive and the things is something that we would probably speak about and try to inspire young people

to aspire to. But for us, for me personally, I love music, man, I just want to I just want to rhyme and that I mean, that's that's that's where it is pure. You know. I definitely love music, as as David saying, but yeah, I would, I could do it. I feel like, you know, I've had brothers trying to push me to that, to that that place. I want to work at Apple. I just too much. You can buy it, but you mean you buying it at a podcasting Apple Music Jackson, what's up with that? Actually? Seen

years on an independent level, I've been doing it. I got a label call Man, I wrote at d V on this christ at one time perfectly got an artist by the name of Bill Ray. God damn it. So I haven't foreseeing this internet thing wrong when we was coming up, you know, even from the like. So when Prince was seeing it, even from one of the one they just say, Prince, Prince got a print story. You just tell me you'll got don't tell me you got right. No, I heard I'll be flowing around na I didn't get

you say what it was like. I didn't give us a Prince, wasn't I need to hear I need to I'm sorry, I but I need to print stories. Is that they're gonna Jakes. I needed shot for some reason. I like Peter. Sorry. It was like he was like, wait, you like because I should feel from the head. I'm here, I'll put another one in there. Okay, I want to tight Okay, tight even, but I took it. I'm saying to stories held every drink. By the way he said, you're saying, you know, I've never met princes, and I've

never met too. I've never met to well, I think kind of meet him. He can't to our shop. He would come to our shows first. Yeah, I can tell my friends are stories like the very drink chance. It's like I'm stretching right now, some great prince. It's like I'm drink yeah yeah, trying to wrap a book that I'm a big Price fan. Yea in my mind, my mind like I saw like when he came out the whole idea. Wait wait anyway, do it? Okay, everyone lessons. Okay,

you know the first story we want to hear. That's a more champagne, don't kay, okay, solo solos the day. It's terrible, man, I'm gonna say I ain't good. Ship's crazy. You know what's crazy about when I'm talking about I feel like every fire Right now, I'm waiting up in the morning, and my body says you're any stay My breath says that right now. It's like my brain, my brain texts my heart says you're an asshole because that ship is horrible. Okay, ship go back. We're all right.

Let's hear this quote. Brain we're working on want to say the a y moza thump outum. At one point, it's better to be good possible news. It's a press story basically at one point, a mirror of quest Love. Basically, we're just trying to work with him to see what he could contribute. So I went out to Philip Roots. Yeah, so the question would always work out of Electric Lady, Electric Lady with the white cat. Hold on because I know Electric Lady that James Hendricks Jimmy Hendrick studio and

the cat was Jimmy Hendricks. We had called it in the studio Electric Lady. Anybody, this cat is the weirdest cat, not just so it's weird. I know the cat. You don't know whether the cat just come up. He's just come and look at you and it's Jimmy Hendricks. It's likely something you shouldn't go. I'm sorry I had Lady, was a vibe. That's it's a weird vinument. That's when Fun got us and dead um laid band from TV. I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that was that was that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Do you know what I'm talking about? You know what clout? Yeah, I'm it's weird. Still the training prints up. Let play basically a lecture, Lady, I'm there with him. Man, We're trying these different ideas to try to same quest love our fans don't what's love? The roots? Yeah, that's what I said right now. You call a point. If we had we had a drum sample in this song we had for the mos a thumb problem called you and we wanted to see if America play over it. Question, Yeah,

what's love? It could play over? So when we get to to the session meet the session is set in stone. But when I get there and like questions telling me like yo, I'm sorry, I'm like sorry about what? Like yo? The session is still going, but you know the God is here, I'm like, you know what you mean to God? He's like Prince is here. At the time, Prince was in the studio and he was playing this new album for warners. Now this is I guess after the whole

slavey thing. I think he was back on track with Warner Brothers and he had this new album that he had, so he took control over all the studios and Electric Lady show that the Warner brother people could be listening to all these different tracks. I'm a Prince fan, but as a man, I was fucking pissed. Basically the studio. Yeah, try to keep me. Yeah, I got what, you know, like if West is with it, like everyone was with it. You know, the I'm sorry, I forget her name. The

young lady was running and managing Electric Lady. She was like, Yo, I'm sorry, but you know I'm you mean, you're sorry. This is my session. So Prince did come down. It was like, you know, he came to me like you know when yuh you know, just same time you fast like like this, you know, he said, you slapped the shut out of you, said, Priss kid, was you said what you didn't get you right now? You have perf I'm yo tracks yo, I ain't never heard yo, right. Fans but I just felt like, yo, us up that

everyone felt a just do to keep me up. But he kind of came down like politely apologized. But I'm such a fan, but I couldn't like, ain't I have to be like yo, I'm pistol like that, But in my face I was like, Yo, I'm fan, but yo, you fox up my I would hold it like you it's okay, track to something and I would piss their quest. I was like, yo, the nigga just said like, yo, the God is here, like like if it was his studio.

Like I was like yeah, and is it true? Like the Prince like four leven two right, yeah, he's short it in fight he was just God blessed the dad em print short. He didn't go to listen with dead Fight. Let to a come on my side for Prince and fight right one too three don't want you about it. We lost somebody in Miami hip hop profile producer Prest and Peace things God bless man Rest. So what do you? What do you? What do you guys want to leave the hip hop and hip hop couse? Remember you for

one day each one of y'all. Individution three black men struck together through it all. Yeah, I did this this stick together. He has been together for mad you know. So poly hate each other, yea love each other, but y'all brothers, they're like your little brothers. And ye know, I know I've got a partner. We we did till you got no other way, did it this way. We We're gonna finish it this way, you know. If anything, Let's change the landscape. Let's get our roses while we're

alive and every day, you know. And that's where this whole issue lies with, you know, individual one you know, and the label, and you know, I just want to really just continue to do what we do, what we love to do. I love detail and making music. Man created a little producing it. They love what I'm saying, you know. And as you see, where the ideas go

with business is because of what we've gone through. So of course we can see ourselves in these executive positions on some form or another, you know what I mean, Just to make it right for the future, And like Dave was saying, legislation that's really more important, you know, changing the laws of how things have been structured, you know, because even with the streaming, it's still a little green area that if you look at it, it's still a grey area, you know what I mean, It's were making

change right here right now, and it's a mentality that you're trying to do your best to get rid of, you know, in terms of the industry as a whole. You know, like funny enough, like it's like saying that everyone makes such a big deal about this red maga hat. It's like it's still like a mass I had, like

a make artist slaves again. It's like you've got to get rid of that whole mentality for the entire record company is know what I'm saying, It's that had running around so out of being seen, and you know, the intention saying that I was a night man should going to my whole body and you said that, but the same question to you the last thing you give hip hop, you know, just honestly for me, just we were creative dudes who had fun and shout I have just trying

to be blessed at giving the best we could. But in this industry and this music, for me personally, I kind of got a ca what maaze it? I mean, I hopefully, hopefully we could be the model of trying our best to make it work. It isn't always pretty, it doesn't always feel good, but at the end of the day, you know, I mean, in some cases, not all cases, if you work hard enough and you appreciate the magic that you make with the people in your circle,

it's kind of hard to go find it elsewhere. You know, you want to keep that magic going. And I think that's what hip hop for me is. I know what it is when you get that moment where you hear that beat, it's like, oh, you know you write that versus about the magic in it, right, It's like how it feels yeah, yeah, And I think even whether it's it's it's we're talking about hip hop as a body. So what you guys are doing here, it feels good.

It's a magic. And I think when you can when you can show that we could come together sometimes worlds apart and keep something going and build from it and make it better and it create new things, that's important. Man. That's that's what I would want to You don't want to embody, you know, as you know what the daylock do, like just the idea of staying together through thinking thin and making things work and giving that example of others to let them know that it's possible for them as well.

You can you can sit three man group, got me goals, got the box. What do you think y'all rank yourselves? I mean, what do you what do you what do you think? I mean, I can't say ranking number, but I always say the future town, right, So I think right now we'll probably be that group, that three group, three man group that stayed together. That's that's the only thing I want to believe that we could lide on.

And I'm not gonna say the meigo's gonna break up or whomever gonna but you know, staying together, we'll probably hold that record. I think we're gonna hold that record. It's more, it's more than a business. Yeah, it's more than business, and it's more to constantly it's safe to say that you guys haven't had a fair shot because it usually hasn't been the catalog that hasn't been introduced.

Yeah it was, Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's a it's it's it's easy to say you're the best in your number one when you sit down and look at the facts, how long, right, you know what I'm saying. When you look at the body of work and how long you've been in what you have done. That's that's what really kind of claims that we are the best of that category. So right now already is talk to me when you hit like. You know what I mean, You talk to me when you hit like, teld to

me when you hit five. Yeah, just just just just just to you know, reiterate something. UM fans understand, because we don't want to seem like the people just complain. I want to I want to be clear. What they are sold is saying that they that can rectify the situation. So the fans are clear. Now when we switched spoke to the label, we spoke everybody, but we're want to speak direct to the fans. This is what who needs this body to work? They need to wake up in

the morning, go jogging and stream. You know what I'm saying these albums? So what what what does they like? So actually accent for to ractify the situation the fans do with what you call it? Um? You know the one I would sincerely asks, it's support of the fans and the culture. You don't press play if it actually comes up, it comes up online, you know, don't press play until we give it a go until we actually say YO, were happy. Thumbs up, guys, let's rock. We

made up to kiss. We made up? You know what I'm saying. Until we say we kiss the made up, do not press play. If anything you can get grind date you can. You can definitely get uh anonymous robody. You can get those two things, you know, and you know whatever else we put out with the Pete Primo record, look out for that one, and also look out for l Y three. I can get all that, but all the other stuff from Bionics on down to three ft high rising, don't press play there. There's nothing else I

can do. Because let's be honest, fans are don't on the best places the day. That's your choice. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying they're gonna be that. You don't know that when you're doing that. What else outside the story is the story? The truth is the truth. One thing I know, people do feel conflicted. We felt conflicted. I want them to have it, I really do. But it ain't right period. So let's get it right. And if you want to support, don't press play. So we

gotta make it catchphrasing. Put that out there. Yes, yeah, Yeah, I concur because it's like it's like it's like like college captain feeling, you know, like people want to support Captain. People said want to watch this absolutely because you found the players out there. You know, people out there that's playing. You know you you're connected to the game your whole life. It's America's thing. Just like hip hop. It's America's thing.

It's the world's thinking. It's an international fact. Yeah, and we ain't really still playing it fair. So I'm glad we got to accept to see this say this story the way it is because um, and I'm personally a witness that you guys are out here. You know, I feel like, you know, the older you get people out here complained. It's like that I personally know that everything you guys are saying it's the true because I'm in

that boat. But yeah, I was like gonna say, like y'all on the front, I'm in the I'm in the back of the kid. But I know nothing. The less we listen ain't boss. It's just going down. We're all going that. I'm not happy you're going through that. We's hurt, you know, because it's instruing. It's the same as actually it's the same as it was a whole ship. And then that's one of the things. Unfortunately, it's like you know, power is the powers want to silence us daylong. Specifically

what you said, I'm sorry, the power. I'm gonna call it the our individual one. And whenever they want to silence us, they cannot because they know brothers like you exist and that's got let's know we're gonna and it's and even Domino and even out even outside of that entity. And let me also give give the props to to pup daddy level vote staff. This is very important. Listen. Let me just tell you something. Every people we interview right now that should they're coming out to a June

they pushing this up, they don't do that. They put in the cliff. That's how important this is. And le't just tell you something ship. They be people like we'll be trying late and they'll they front they these people we said day they said, let's go push it was the idea to push it up up to the vote. Sad you know that's holding us down. And they understand how important y'all message is that we know there's sometime the whole episodes like you know exhibit episode we could

be damn into that ship last year. It's about this week, you know what I'm saying, because it's a time they thing for this show said, but this issue was so important that all of the staff got together, like everybody pick up Averca Rich everybody, which everybody all more people were um uh pick up to them? What was Michelle robbing? Um um sharis pick up to hold them like this issue was so important for hip hop to stand behind

y'all and saying, you know what, y'all not alone. You know what I'm saying, Like back then, whatever it was, we need to stand together, and we need ownership of these properties that we made. That's not blood, sweat and tears and sending to these albums. You know what I'm saying. That's that's that's hard work. And you know we were all young and might have signed some dump ship as contract. Funk that that contract. Let's make it eve. It's a week and you know what we're not saying, even kick you.

I try to buy the ship. I try to buy my ship towards world. I heard, I heard, I heard when I try to buy it was bright though it wasn't that more so um, but moving on, UM. So, I just wanted to let you know that I personally identify you know what I'm saying. Man, I wanted I wanted the fans to know because you know, this is always gonna be these these these young fast oh those old guys, and they don't understand what's going No, we're not here complaining, man, exactly. This is not a complaint.

We're not out here, you know, chasing the check either. This is about doing the right thing. That's all that, and hopefully it'll Yeah, you know, the unfortunate thing in the record business, there is no good business definitely, you know, and unfortunately you know that's been the case for a long time. I mean movies like uh, what's the what's the name of that? Records and all that that's documented the same attainment's better for you, right, It's just right,

it's this same thing. This is This is really about hopefully doing the right thing by the artists and respecting the culture. Man. We want we want folks to respect this, man, Like outside of outside of the culture, you'll need to respect this. You earn from it. You need to respect what we do and and and all offend us to being seventeen years old, signing the contract fresh out of high school working on Texico gas station. I was a

record deal versus public guys at Texico. What you're gonna take that's real ship and and and having a following all the rules of what you learning vicariously through the music or like a rorist one who's actually saying your guys get a lawyer. Got out of your from set saying a guys, get a lawyer, shark d and this music he's saying the same thing, you know, when they want to dress different issues. So we've we've done that. We've done you know, we did our best to read

our control and have a lawyer. This is Yeah, in addition to that, man like, what we're fighting for, it's nothing that we based our lives on. We didn't live off of royalties. We worked hard for life. So it's not like you know, we're you know, we're fighting because we've you know, uh, we've even been able to see what could come to us. We've never tasted any of that. We're just fighting for the fact that we can possibly

need this stuff to our families. If you have any effect on any of this curt stuff, Yeah, trying to say they're trying to make up the money from that. I don't know what they're trying to do. Man, all we know they're on things and from the past ending. Yeah, things are still pregnant because that was all new back then for hip hop. Pretty much nobody knew that was gonna happen. Like you guys kind of opened that door to it. Yeah, I mean you figured hip hop was

still very I'm load alive. You know, New York hip hop could be New York kipop, second hip hop and so on. So I mean, like, if you're talking about a record selling in New York, is gonna gonna sell a certain amount of copies. It was on the record companies to say to themself like, look, this is funny hip New York Philly d C. As a record company, you don't see that necessarily be cleared a sample because this ain't gonna really go on the way outside of that.

And I'm also remember what I'm gonna also tell you what I think fuck up about the patrics. Right. What happened was we would they would ship out these records right at these records. So let's spose you shipped out five yeah, thirty days on the return of those fractors. Correct. If those brackets didn't return, they would automatically say your gold yea, yeah, yea, you know what to say. What I'm saying, you will automatically me gold. But you will

immediately be old that drugs on. So you could like those records can actually come back. They had thirty days to come back and they didn't come back. Thir days they counted as a set and that's how they jerked us. That's one way the way making one of the ways. Right, things gotta be anyway, it's amaz that's not that was crazy. And then it was it was I remember, like you know you said it, you said it earlier. I remember like the charge of me for chip overseas then I've

never been too. I was there, like you had a billboard and some they act then there was no internet, so I'm like, I had a billboard at Linda for you had you had a time square in Japan. There was no pitchers back then, but they would charge you for ship like that. You're like, what the fucking I know, how was that bug? You know what? I feel like I'm any church right now, I'm reaching that got the ghost of the Holy spirit air about people that we both know, but I won't air m out right now.

They are friends of ours. When I worked in marketing that got caught with me by accident, faking ship that they were riding off to the artists getting paid in their pocket and I wasn't getting paid as the street team. And then by accident the check came to me accidentally to my DEMP Champ people. I people because they're friends, and I let them now. But I called him out at that moment and I said, I'm keeping this check because it's in my name, and they called me, don't

give me someone that. No, no, no, no no no, certain get none of this jam. I don't know when you whistle it was a big check when you whistle about saying, I just yea, I'm just get like gonna the first because you know what what happened was the reps in the labels. They would overcharge for everything they did for for you guys know what I'm saying, and they would not purchase this or not pay for this. And when street teams, they were just happy. Street teams

are fans I have. You could be working these records, so we would do whatever whenever for these arts and the street team makes that the guy running the street team, that the label would take advantage of that. I wasn't the guy to take advantage of. I'm just talking for myself. I would get was stubborn nick I was supposed to do stub stubb, I would right, That's what I would see it. That's where I'm knowing this type of sense. Let's check him in. I already knew what's happening, but

I never had the proof of the check. Check Right, A check came in the mail for a lot of money for a big more day weekend. We usually get paid a little bit more Monday, more day we get in those days, but this time this check was this big, right, and this is when you was a bat to because we're not saying little. He was say you called me, hop you called me. He said, you've got to check out tail. I said, I guess you know this industry's

we heard all the same stories that he heard. Yeah, people really appreciate whom we were as an artist as a group. You don't let us don't like look, man in your contract, somebody's holding a dirty Yeah, some crazy don't smell I don't know my man I don't want me from Coloma. Yeah right now, the said, damn man, we didn't learn any Come right he listen, I'm not smoking right there, man, just start that was sucking me up like this and trying to compete because he's she's strong.

He got to smoke that outside. I don't know what he's smoking dad any week, Okay, it's just let's trapping. I want to try to keep a straight race now. Want Yeah, I'm not doing smell he smell right, it's keep go outside with that big It's all right, please, Okay, you got the kee the face race so right, because he's blow that I brought down definitely that make smokes

something different. Smoke about you went to wall. I was saying how long we could have people and I don't need to put the names up there, but people from the label respectfully letting us know, like yo, you know, you know this particular single could have could have did this, but the machine pulled back because if it would have did what it was supposed to do, that it that was naturally doing, we would have got to growing money in being you know. So it's that type of stuff.

I mean, like it was being at ship. It was being up at like Tim Guan Rush, like you know, just learning how you know these herd companies are signed artists as his tax right offs even like so you know the businesses and left them out on purpose and you know, give you that money so you can oh yeah, so many are you know they purposely tanked that person's career. Yeah, we had that with Mother Sippery from Miami, an amazing

artist from Miami. We thought she was it. She was they called her the female nas come out of Miami and island music shelters. Uh, you know a ship man. You know. One thing we don't want to do is we got the mean gags. I see that you look at that's the British walking, but it's focus them. You just slided. Listen, man, I mean one thing I don't want to do is rash. Yeah. Definitely tell the story for what it is. You know, it's history. Yeah, history, what it is? You know it's bad history once again.

But let's hope it's not a lot of you say that when you say bad saying listening in the business practice, but you guys have had a basic career. Yeah, you get business practice, but based on the perception of the company that represents hip hop and that Timmy Boy logo is the hip hop you know, that's the people stand You know, I'm representating the hip hop and still practicing the is this model that's that's definitely like slavery. Yeah, you know it is the more of the story that

none of these companies are really hip hop. Man don't represents you. We can't say they represent hip hop ultimately at the end of the day. Or business is business saying business empire, do you know what? Yeah, you know what you are. People are what you are, what you negotiate, you know what they are. Wrestle would say, yeah, you know what I know, and I can hear what you work and give you negotiate and say you get what

you negotiate. You know what here it is. You know in times, you know, were making overcast ourselves or maybe even undersell our subs depending on the person you are, you know, depending on where you're at that moment in time in your life and what you need versus what you what your situation is at the time. You know, so it's all give and take here. It is, even hip hop at that time, it was independent for all of them. Deaf Jarem Tommy Aways select records. I mean

from the time I have been conceiving it. Yeah, they were seeking from two you know, I think you know from what I do know, Tommy Boys relationship with Warren Brothers hadn't been with everything. They were still doing their thing. It's why they did penalty because I think they even saw themselves as a sonny. So I could see why you say they were major, you know what I mean, because they didn't see themselves like that chap they've been.

They've been in the game, went in a du cham when you think about it, you know, out Records doing that thing. You know how many albums as under you're having with them, six or six six album and then there's another album they made up on y'all right a life like a lot of kids. They staying stories. You know. They may have put up the fun Out album. I wouldn't even name that. That ship when they got to relax, Man.

I just want to salute y'all so much. I just want you all to know that hip hop is with y'all. We with y'all, drink Champces with you. We know you're not out here uh complaining, y'all here talking the truth. I don't have complaining with what is y'all wish you which you be right from to y'all, you know what I'm saying. And um, I just want to salute you, you guys to your face. You know what I'm saying.

I want to shoot you friend, like I want to try to culture that truly stuck up for us, you know, and helped us make the noise, you know what I mean, And truly seen works really wrong with this whole thing, you know, And y'all honestly, whatever he decided to do is what he decided to do at this point. And you know, I want to move all my life And like I said, I just walking about said it earlier.

He's when I spoke to I supposed want to do a third person am I took called Randy actor, so right, I said what he called in and he said he didn't run a coach. He said he wasn't hit by that bar. I was trying to get him a call, and he said that he didn't want to call in because he's actually trying to work it out with you. That's true, brothers, that's true. So he said he's trying to work it out with you. Brother, so he didn't want to mess this something by you know, getting on

and something. So I respected that. But so that's true. That's okay, Yeah, okay, that's true. I mean that's that's what we're trying to do. That's what we were just trying to do. But because we just we just want to find an happy place with all this, and we've been we've been really open to, uh, all the dialogue coming in from people hearing about this, fans or even

people just kind of like on the outside. Whether they can look so like if we support you, but it can be like you know, why did you but why did you sign this? So why did you do this? So hopefully man even on their side, hopefully they have people having a constructive criticism and speaking to them. If you see them, see Tom see you'll speak to him. Yeah,

I think he can. I think he can listen to them to the interview and actually neither way, you know what I'm because there's a lot of people who need these albums. I mean, y'all want to need these albums. This is a part of hip hop, that's a periods helping hippop. We can't tell the story of hip hop and did not have that there, because right now it isn't there. It's just that there. That's like having an empty book that's not having and that's the book with

no chat. And that's that's being able to see the dual value. The value is in the culture, in the history as well as your pocket. And if you only got a concept of one, that's where the problem lies. You know what I'm seeing Where y'all came in on this so young and early, maybe he should understand that, yo, you just he just has to break even on this to make more money in other areas. The white us to be the fire festival guy. Tom, don't be the

fire festival guy. Tom. Don't mean that guy that I think that we have been able to sustain and achieve since they're back. We've been doing off things and been holding our corner, probably not been holding our horner, and probably never said anything right. I mean when they took whatever liquid. That's coming about this chance to say, you know what these are kids that I signed is the kids I was part of their career when and now

they've grown men. Let me do business with them as something this is this is your turn to do that, and you can leave the web and say, you know what, I'm gonna treat them like man. Maybe that contract for these kids that they signed when they were twenty seventeen doesn't hate culture and didn't directive part the situation and say you know what, I would be a business partner from here on out. Yeah. Partners, Yeah, it is the

key word. Right. That was a good question. Sometimes good partners walk away and they and they don't don't want to walk away. I kind of log's dead. We cannot walk away. What I'm saying like he could not or maybe not or whatever I'm saying is being about him Georgia trying to bas storm with the language has been in the contract. He can't truly do what he wants. But really he doesn't have to say he can make it. He could make he can make it right the balls

on his right. Hip Hop is looking at now. Now. Now it's not just y'all and him talk. That's true. It's hip hop true talking to him. Yeah. I need, I need, I truly believe, you know, he he should make the right decision. He should, he should, he should should. He shouldn't be shooting forward because that's what he will. I don't think he needs to help. I don't think

he needs it. I don't think so. No, I think he's well off, So why not make the people and if he doesn't need to become good partners with these guys just to the right there right the opened doors from now more a better opportunities, opportunities, it all falls. And I don't trying to count his pockets, but exactly, Famulus, exactly,

that's so little motherfucker's okay, I'm not. I don't know if you forgot to say, like because they brought to our attention, like when we was obviously all that Tommy boy, you came in to interview us or something, I was already interviewed. We was doing that then, damn like ninety three doing night gils in jail, just like a great story. You know. I don't know where that used to say, Yeah, I'm gonna tell you where I had to little cameras some amazing. I knew that then that was going to

be the here of that. I don't know why I used to always feel everything, you know, I didn't know the internet it would be what is what I a better description? I knew information was instant, and he wasn't living in that time right right. I just knew that. Like That's what I was saying earlier was I was a paul that when I dropped the record, my fans in London wouldn't get it simultaneous, right, like that would

bother who really did it? From me was mf door, that's because we don't even know if the nigga mumtaally I think it had seven shows and was like, I'm sure remember that all that work from him mysterious feeling like it's only a half full of dudes that could do a show, actually start up with show and not show. And he's want we're gonna remember you want to drink chance if you ain't know if you're saying, yo, have

to wrap it up. I'm just trying to say, like back then even this think of cold it like yo, man, like this dude did a dope job, like he could do this ship. Like he said that then like about me, I was like, Yo, that's really you know what I'm saying. So to see you doing this, God at least put my call night appreciated UNS. I swear god Yr story is so real. It's so real, so touching to me, you know what I'm saying, I would have to leave the same campaign. I figured once I heard y'all I said,

and he wasn't even about me leaving. My campaign is about me joining y'alls. You know what I'm saying, and jumping on and supporting y'all. What y'all need first, I would like, I'm not even wanting to negotiate my ship. I want y'all shipped to me right first, for me to even consider it, and then I'm gonna follow y'all. You know what I'm saying, because that's what it is. It's not about selfish, being selfish times about being with

the people. So I'm standing with y'all and we rove you and mind I'm saying about y'all first, You first, Ya