Episode 161 w/ DJ Jazzy Jeff

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yap Yaur makes up now. When it comes to legends, when it comes to legendary DJs, when it comes to people who've been down in this game forever and have maintained relevance and maintenance consistency, this man picture comes up when we googled him Jesus and his picture came out. The man is consistent. He's out here, He's still got love for the game. You know, so many accolades, so many are different things that he's done, and he's still

out here, still working, still doing. It's still out here, still out here with gucci hats on, a nice classes through the well, hit through a cameraman and doing what you gotta do. In the case you don't know what we talked about with motherfucker, let it. I honestly, I honestly get stoked when I I speak to people like you are people who laid down the legacy for people like me A E F n um And when I look at you guys, legacy and like did did what?

What time was? Uh? Let's let's take it from the beginning. Let's take it from the beginning. How did how do? How did you even? How did you get start? How did I get stuck? Um? Who inspired you? Too? Well? I had some older DJs in my neighborhood that would do do all the block parties, um, and I think what it was. I would I would go to these block puts. Doesn't feel it and I would go to these block parties, and these guys would they would be on these enclosed portraits so you would never see what

they look like. But and they had these massive speakers, and I always felt like they were the puppet masters because they got you to do whatever they wanted to do with the music that you lady. And I wasn't the one that was at the parties or at the block parties trying to get the girls. I was looking at that into a house like trying to figure out who the wizard was. But I couldn't see his face and how he was pulling these strings and making anybody

do whatever he wanted with his music. Um, and I got to a point that I was like, I want to be that guy. I want to I want to have that level of control that that he has with his music. So you know, it literally started from grabbing man. It was it was a DJ named Disco Dock in Philly. It was a guy Disco rat Um. And this was this was pre hip hop too, so this wasn't you know, this was they just playing mass production, grass construction, funk

and soul records. But it was just you know, they had the big yet yet, but they had these big giant speakers, and you know, we just get on the bike and you would ride to you know, you ride twenty blocks because you heard somebody would have a block party and you would just go and just you know, watch them do their things. You know, a couple of hundred people on the street dancing um. And it was just kind of like that was something that I liked. I liked the effect of him playing this music and

it had on people. It was like yo, like he was the pie Python like he you know, I'm like, you could have told to do anything, and we probably really did it, depending on how you string these records together now describe to us Philly back and back in the day, because it had to Pully has to go through so many different transitions. So the was because UM us in hip hop us in New York. Problem. Uh, we knew that it came from the Bronx. Well, it was always around it, so was it like that of Philly.

Wasn't hip hop just everywhere? And we we would get tapes from the Bronx of hip hop, Like you know, everybody had a cousin that lived in New York. Everybody had a cousin that was from the Bronx, which anybody probably live cool with Flash or hurt Um, But it was just like you would get these tapes that would be a hundred generations tapes of t Connection and the Fever, and you would basically imagine what these parties were like.

You know, to me, it was thousands of people in these parties and there was massive sound systems and those parties could have been in the room like this, but it was just what you got and what you imagine. But that that was it, you know, we um. I feel like the hip hop scene in the Philly was created off of what we thought it was in New York because there wasn't videos, There wasn't any of that, so you didn't really got a lot of Philly that cool.

See Sandy being um. You know they came up before you know there was they was around the same time the same time. Wasn't there was a group? Right? Was the name of the group? TV? What CB was a group? Like? Because we did were like the first rap gagsters like technically like I mean we heard in w A and all that, but no one either jazz. You know what

I really started like that was it was school. He d school, he did and as he did, got at all that he was the first rapp up that was actually living in his literally just you know, he was talking about his neighborhood and he just described it to a t and it was just you know, you know, we didn't know that and did that that it's goods outside of New York. When we started the hand of that, it was like, X, really, motherfucker's by the way, we don't know if we know Jazzy Jeff, but this is

a show where we celebrate our lections. You know what I'm saying. We were were we were now the first person that we interviewed since we won the award. Let's big up. What was the name the National Film and televis Television A War? In true drink Chace fashion, we seen on one of our friends to pick up the war. We don't think we're gonna win, by the way, generous,

we get a Saturday night last. We don't think were gonna win, So we sit on home, Jimmy kimbers against and Homie I travel to know and Homie actually goes there. It gets the award and in to drink chance fashion, he breaks the award getting into a school he took pature. I'm wanting to he dropped junk family. I also Bob, we had it. You want to pick up to aunerable old staff man get a wonderful event yesterday and um,

they all came together. They was all stressed out. I love to see them all stressed out, but I'd love to see them all and he took care of everything, so I wouldn't want to pick them up. But now let's get back to Philly, right because in a lot of ways, the biggest artist to date right now is meet Mail right for for his triumph. But if it wasn't you guys, do you see the director like he's like the new Philly King or or you don't see that? Yeah?

Absolutely absolutely. But I don't think we ever looked at ourselves as Um. I don't want to say Philly King's because like myself and Will, I think you know, Philly was where we were from. Um, it was a little weird back then because there was a point in time that we didn't feel that we kind of got the love that other people got in Philly, Um that people

got in different states. Um. And I really think looking back at contact, it was because a lot of that was new you know, anybody was trying to everybody was trying to figure out what it is we were doing. We don't know how long this is gonna last. Like so I don't think it was people just didn't didn't show love. You know, radio stations. I think we're a little bit afraid because they were kind of like, we

don't know if it's gonna be here, you know. Yeah, so it's like we're not going really lock in to this. So I think, you know, Meet coming along now, um and, and Philly has always had champions that they really really got behind and they wanted to kind of go beyond Philly, you know, state property and beans in that whole thing.

Like everybody was super invested the routes. Um And, I think, you know what, like Meet being the new younger generation, but also going through what he went through and coming through the way that he came through. It's kind of like he's not only put himself in a position that he's a champion in Philly. I think that's gone way beyond too. Yeah. I um, I just feel like the hip hop history is so rich and it starts from actually history, but actually you guys are originators, like you

you gotta claim that you have to. We were one of them, you know, it was it was you know, it was a time, like I said, we didn't know what we were doing. We were we were thinking that we were imitating New York, you know, and Philly is a very DJ heavy city. It was the DJ was first. That only happened because we thought the DJ was first in New York. We didn't realize that the rapper took precedent and then the DJ was the person to back

him up. We came with like, listen to DJ is first, and the rapper tells anybody how great the DJ was. That's that was me and Will's dynamic. That was Steady be In in his DJ's dynamic. You know, that was that.

But that was what we thought. We thought. That's how it was so not realizing that you kind of created your own version, you know, your own spin on it that you know, it was kind of okay, you know, but because like I said, we didn't have videos and all the rest of that to kind of make everything seamless, you know, it was just kind of like I gotta tape.

I don't know what Cowboy looked like, I don't know what d mel looked like so, you know, in my head, I'm imagining, you know, I remember seeing the first picture of you know, Theatore and the fans Plastic five, and I'm trying to figure out who was who, Like, you know, when I found out the light skin, Dude, ain't they you know? So you know it was it was all of this is priests? Are you just making it up

as you go along? Now? How you like? Throughout all your years, you never got in trouble, Like, at least it's a public guy like, You're not a scandal. It's not Google, would you know what man like? Because Instagram wasn't a live listen. If it wouldn't be listen, it wouldn't be hip hop, would not be hip hop. You know. Um, but you know, I think just listen. I in spite of how willing the records that we made, none of

us grew up in the best environment. You know. We grew up in inner City, We grew up in Philly. You know, we had our share of ship and just you know, and and it was what it was. But it was kind of like, you know, I think our approach was, we're not really telling the story of where we grew up but that doesn't hide how we grew up. But growing up like that one thing that you developed is smart that it's kind of like you don't tell

your business, you don't put your business out there. And I think some of those old school lessons that I got, I just kept with me that it's kind of like, you know, it's no one is squeaky clean. It just depends on who sees your dirt. But you see how easy it is nowadays, Like these new kids they're saying and then the next day, the next day they're on

their tomorrow sniff and cocaine off Kimberly. I see, you know what we never we never had a twenty four hour a day camera on you telling like, you know what's messed up about this generation? They put the camera on themselves. The people. I was like, let me ask you a question. If you got in trouble, would you go to Alvy Square Mall in New York in the food course that bring out your trouble? And everybody's like no, And I was like, that's what you just did. That's

exactly what you just did. And the people don't understand that. It's kind of like you know, you you that's how you know I've come from the same I just used that same reference the other day about obviously we're going to do it to be to the side and said album. But yeah, that's the crazy thing is they actually but um,

but I've seen I seen a documentary one time. We're talking about you and Will on tour, and I think y'all was on Queen lot Teeth with Chalk and everybody was looking at y'all different because y'all had pop records. They was considered pop records at the time. And y'all was going on every single night and still bosting ass on stage because that's that's what it was about. Kid

with the records, y'all. You know, like when when we when we went to New York when we did the whole lot of Union Square and all the rest of that. We have one record, you know, we're going up did to do girls Ain't nothing but trouble. But it's kind of like, yo, okay, well we gotta do this freestyle, you gotta DJ, we're gonna bring out the beat box, like our job is to entertain you. So it's kind of like, man, listen, that the least important thing for us on the show was the record, like we the

records are given. Anybody know the record, but we gotta get him with all this other stuff. Let me ask you something. So you as a DJ, right and when people cultique records like that and you're out DJ and like, because you know, I assume you and you you know the records that that planning. Did you ever like come and try to persuade like the group to go a different direction? Like you know what I'm saying, OK, Like

I don't mess with people's creative direction. You know. It's kind of like you know this this this is you're doing something that's inside of you. And you know, to me, is you have the ability to say if you like it or you don't. I ain't really got the ability to tell nobody change shit, you know, because that's I don't want anybody to tell me to do the same thing. You know. It's all subjective. You know, every A and R that you talked to at every record company was

giving you their opinion. Nobody's opinion. Law, how did you connect? Um? I was really big in the city uh as a DJ, and Will was in the crew. Um he was in the crew in a sexon city in Windfield and you know, you know of people, you know because a lot of times we're on the same show. Um. And it was crazy because this was pre cell phone, page or any

of that. So when you had to get a call because he was in the house, and I got a call like yo, somebody wants to do this house party on fifty four from Windwood, and I was like cool, and I picked up the phone and you know, picked up the phone and called the guy that used to MC for me and he went in the house. Couldn't page him and nothing. So it was kind of like, listen, I'm gonna go do the party. You know, I just

can't get him. And when I showed up, it was two doors down from Will's house, and as soon as I was chilled up to set my stuff up, he came in the basement and it was kind of like we knew each other, dapt each other up. He was like, yo, where's your man Ice? And I was like yeah, I couldn't find him, and he was like, yo, you mind if I rocked? And I was like nah, And it

was just a natural chemistry that we had that night. Listen, I kept saying, if Ice would have picked up that phone, I might not be sitting here, you know, that's crazy. It was just you know, and then that turned into what you're doing? Them are what are you doing next Saturday? What are you doing? And it was probably seven months later we had a record out. What was the moment where you was like I made it was the parents just don't understand. There's there's a point in time that

I still don't think I had that moment. What you have? Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I think? Um? When we we we when we put out pants, I meant we had signed of Rush and UM management and I remember when we played them and he's the DJ on the rap for hour Russell listened to it and Russell said this is going to be gold in four weeks and he was just like the US management UM and we and we didn't believe him, and and the record

actually went gold in five weeks. But what it was, we were on tour and it was kind of like you started to tour off in your the third actor going and then a week later you're the fourth factor going on, and then a week later you're the fifth actor go on, and you're not realizing why they're moving you up. And it was we do any shows with run DMC and like it was a pack tour. Yeah, yeah, And it was kind of like every night, you know, will start coming to me. He's like, yo, like is

it me or is the cheers getting louder? And I'm like, I don't know, I can't tell, like you know, it's you know. And it was one night he did parents just don't Understand and and he said the first verse, and he told me that he was gonna try something.

He said the first verse and then he said in between the first and second verse, he was like, listen, I'm gonna say the first line and I want everybody to say the second line, which was really dangerous because if nobody said ship, we would have been And he said, I remember one year my mom took me school shopping in twenty five thousand people answering, and and that was it.

That was kind of like because once again, when you're on the road, you don't you know, you don't have any frame of reference if your record is getting big, you know, I know. So it was kind of like, yo, like this is crazy, you know. And it was, you know, before we end up getting off the tour, we're right before run DMC was, was that ever rough between you and world? I want nah, nah, you know, I mean trust me, you have grown pains, you know, because we

started off so young. But it was wild because one of the first times right after we got together, I mean we sat on the steps um and it was wild because of me Will the manager, Jail and Charlie matt Um and yeah, I saw and Will was like, yo, man, I want to do movies. And I was like, I want to do music for the movie. So people would always be like, didn't get strange, you know, did you feel like Will left? He was like, nah, Like this was planning from day one. None of this was music.

You were scoring most of the movies. I was like, I did all the music on The Fresh Prince of bel Air. The thing still, I'm gonna tell you something, you know what. And somebody said this to me not too long ago, and and and it freaked me out. He came up to me and he said, let me ask you a question. What is the biggest hip hop record in the world. And I started going down the list and like Dr J Snoop Emina, and he was

like the Fresh Prince of bel Air. He said, that is the biggest everybody knows that everybody was in the world was an over dred and and I never thought of that, you know, especially when you realize you record it was. Was that just the theme for the show. Did you actually drop a record? Um? The record company put something out that I found out that whole show was made for the ship. We made it for the show. Wow, Uncle Phil passing away, what you had a relationship, very

very good. Like he was like hip Hop's uncle. He you know what, because that was like our family like that, like the Fresh Prince was everybody from the project. That's what we greamed of doing, Like somebody, We're having a rich family somewhere and everything gonna flies out. We're gonna live in Bellair and Uncle Phild's gonna be all all good. And so I think hip Hop took that one. Yeah, like hip Hop Actually, I mean he was. He was.

He was my vacation dude that because he would, you know, in the off season, he would just get in the car and him and his friends would drive from cross country and they would they he could tell you every great restaurant, every great beach, like he they were traveling. So you know, I would go to him. He's like, yo, if you know, the best beach in the world is in kN Kom and the best restaurant is here. Um. But he would always pull you aside drop some knowledge.

He was a huge music and jazz fan, so I would always, you know, go in his room and he would slide me new CDs and and stuff like that. When he was he was he was cool. He was really cool. What's what's your favorite ever in hip hop? Nineties? On that nineties? Gonna give you ten years or what ninety two? I would almost say, no, not necessary. I would say probably between eighty eight. Okay, this fucking phenomenal years. That's a great decade. So let's let's takes Sea Ansars

in there. Him is in there there, we'll tang Tang'll take him out Nary too, so we'll tang the discovery of mutanger. What's something that that that shocked you in hip hops? When you sat back, he was like, I can't believe hip hop went this far um because you come up with the morals, but you know what, you know what it is. It's kind of like when you come from the Moralds. You saw how it got m more. No one gave a shit about hip hop until they

realized that hip hop was making money. When we boycotted the Grammys, it was because you wanted to put it on television or you wanted to exploit it on television, but you didn't want to show the category. And I'm like, wait a minute, hip hop is hip hop. Hip Hop was, arguably, and I want to say this might have been eight

arguably the top three music genre in the world. If you got nine country and what ston categories that you're televising, then you're gonna televise one of these hip hop categories because on the scale, it should be up there every hip hop category and should be up there based off of the level of the music. And so for them to kind of disrespect it, and this was at a point in time that you had radio and talk show hosts that were blatantly saying hip hop is a faddis.

So you're together, y'a boycott the after ye we were just, you know, we got together, Salt and Pepper, everybody who was nominated, and we were just like, we're not going. We're gonna go to all of the functions and we're gonna talk about why we're not going because they not only were we nominated, but they wanted me and Will to perform. So we were like NA and understand at that time saying no, you don't know if this is the kiss of death, Like are you in a position

to say nothing that they're just gonna say? You know, but everybody kind of banded together. Um, and that's why, you know, hip hop has kind of for for a while kind of gotten to be a staple in the grand news. But you also watched when you started when people started making real money in hip hop, and they started noticing when it got to a point that somebody like mc hammer sold twelve million records and now you know, through media you're starting to see the fruits of his

labor more then people. Then you started to realize corporate America is going to turn in. It's no different than the DJ culture. You know, I'm in DJ and for thirty something years, so being inside the bubble before the bubble got big, you got DJs into making six hundred thousand dollars a night a night, I'm like, yo, But all of that happened when corporate America realized. As soon as you put Calvin Harris made sixty seven million dollars

in orbs. Now everybody wants to be a DJ because it's now it's big business, so you start, you know, I think I think there's a level of hip hop that does not belong to hip hop and like sub genre type of stuff or just you know what, I don't believe that. I don't believe that a lot of the commercial hip hop that's on the radio is picked by the fans for sure, like something like like trust me, They're just like yeah, So it's kind of like it's almost like they're never gonna say it, but we we

let you hear what we want you to hear. Like that's why the underground has always been a certain level of purity because you can't really control that, Like you gotta seek and look for stuff. But the stuff you're saying, like a label can pay for the next that it's just terrible, you know, but it's just kind of like you don't realize that you don't have that level of control. But that level of control is only because of the money.

As a DJ, have you ever as a person ever came to you and said, ye'all want to pay you to play my records? Every time you spend like no, I mean no, and I've been fortunate enough to keep myself out of the circle. You know that. It's just kind of like, because that's what's the new thing now, DJ is kind of big. Artists go to them, pay the dji him three grand and the DJ playing him

and then and he's the only DJ playing up. So it's kind of like, you know, you know he got because it's like no one else playing, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, I think that lowers the integrity of a DJ. How about you here. I know, I'm sorry. It happens like said, you know, you use DJ in a lot in a couple of times and person came up to you. It was like, y'all over your described. You don't have to you know, don't please give you as okay right now, just my record? Oh wow,

what I'm saying happen often. It okay, yeah, but you know they're doing that now, like I think all this we're talking about, Yeah, but it's now it's like social media is almost becoming the DJ two. Now they're paying people on social media to do something, to record, to play a record, like yeah, I heard that, I'm paying people to stream records now, so there's like companies in Japan and everything he's saying about like how people aren't

really choosing anything. Algorithms is the same thing, like you think you're picking something, but it's being chosen for you. But but is it our choice to turn on the radio and then know these songs? Because some of these songs I hate, but I know every word of that's program A programmer told me that they actually have a mathematical equation that they know if they play a record a certain amount of times and the day it's gonna get stuck in your head. Have you been disgusted from

hip hop yet? Yeah? I wasn't say he kept too positive. You don't say no, Yeah. I mean the funny thing is, I think I've been just disgusted at some level moment from the beginning, Like there's a listen, there's always been a good size and a bad side. I said that, there's always like I'm like, yo, this didn't just start that it was bad hip hop. It was bad hip hop in the night, you know, but it's just it's so much more good that you gave. Felt like the

good outweigh the bad. Now that's why I'm a problem with saying sub genres in hip hop, I think it should just be good hip hop and bad hip hop. Can't know because it's been bad. You start making excuses for ship, you know, like, oh no, because this is I'm this genre of hip hop. You know, I can't say good and bad because just because I don't like it and subjective. No, I'm saying it subjective. I'm not saying that it's automatic whatever you think it's good and bad.

Oh yeah, I still I don't want to call it bad as I don't like it. Like there's certain people, there's certain artists that I don't like them, but I get why other people like them, you know what I'm saying. And it's like, so I don't want I wouldn't want to call them back, but I can't. I can never criticize somebody that I don't like because I don't eat cheese. I don't think people who eat cheese are bad. It's

just something that I don't do. So it's just kind of like, you know, if it's stuff that you don't do, now it gets a little interesting. As a DJ, you have you gotta figure but you gotta you gotta figure out, yeah, you know, and and there's some people that won't draw the line, you know, or or draw a hard line at curating, and you know, I think it's once again it's subjective. It's kind of like, you know, what type

of DJI are you? But that's why the DJ is own entity as an artist, because people buy into what your tasted. Yes, you have a DJ, and that somebody came with you is like play some to COPSI six times now, because once again, if you're smart, you know how to navigate yourself that you're not putting yourself and I'm situations. I had a Vegas residency for seven years. You know, me and DJ A M you know, had great times in Vegas because we would pushed out of it.

It was, you know, like I always had a massive level of respect for him. I never forget one of the first time that I went to Vegas and he was playing and I walked in and it's two thousand people, it's one thirty at night, and he was like, yo, did you did you hit a new Bob Deep record? And I was like no, and he was like y'all And I said, what then are you doing? But like he just dropped it. But there was a level of respect that I had for that, and he's kind of like, Yo,

I'm the DJ, I'm the train conductor. Everybody's on my train. They're gonna go wherever I take him, you know, And you respected that. But you also saw throughout the years Vegas change. You know, you you they got a list this is what we want you to play. Listen, I played Vegas, have to play a record that you didn't like, but you knew that this was popping for the crowd. Oh, I do that all the time. I'll do it. But but like I said, it's which is a whole another conversation.

You gotta understand the definition the the goal of the DJ or the job description of the DJs. You are a servant of the people. You're not a servant of yourself. You're a servant of the people that your job is to play what the people like. It depends on how much work, depending on how much you want to play that the people like. There are some people that draw

the line. I am completely respectful for the the the keep it real DJ and I only played nineties hip hop and all of that said that, I'm with that, But if there's only one nineties hip hop party of month. Then you can't complain about the work you're gonna Like, you can't say I want to play nineties music but somebody on the book me every night, But you can't.

You can't have it both ways. But it's kind of like you have to decipher how much of a servant of the people you're going to be, you know, and I may have to play that Takashi six nine record, you know, and you know, depending on how you want to walk it. All Right, well, I got it. I download a little leog album. I'm trying. I'm trying to stay you know with the new batteries again at batteries right, yeah, yeah, just going on left right out of me. We're ready.

So didn't you'll have to like be for MC searchs or something like that. Man, I don't know, happy for some somebody. Gotta we gotta have some for somebody. Happy for somebody. You really could get through a hip hop like that. Listen, it ain't over. It's that's that's true. So like you know, um, you're speaking only when you first Matt will right, Um, he is a lee like you know, of our people right like this is that they probably won't ever be a Will Smith. Did you

see that from him? Again? All Day? Get All Day, All Day, Um, one of the first shows that we did. And I used to play all the noise moments in love and he would do girls, Ain't that in My Trouble over there? And I remember watching three hundred people stared at his mouth, hang on every word of a story because they're visualizing the story. And I was like,

that's power when you can communicate like that, that's power. Wow, Like all day And you knew he would he would be this guy like you know some of the movies because at the end of the day, he represents hip hop, right, and like I love the fact, like you know, somebody I idolized because I wanted to continue to be involved with him, popular wanted to do other things. I just want to do it my way. So I'm doing it

my version of you know what I'm saying. But when you look at like like some of the movies he did, like he's crying on impulse, Like how do you do that? Listen? I've seen him do that with his girl back in the door. I seen him getting some trouble and you could try and I said, how did you trying to sque like. I was like, yo, like that's I don't know how you even get that look like I spitting on like so yeah, like he had it. You see that from back then? Yeah, it's pre recorded this hell.

You know. I was like, you're the best day ever? Did it? And that is acting? That is acting, is acting on impulse. That that's something I tried to do that I can't. I ain't got it. Yeah, that's that's it. I ain't Yeah, trying to get man thinking about like that, that's like that it wouldn't work for me. That's why I know. I ain't got it. Man, I ain't got

but yet certain people could do that. But I just you know, for hip hop him l l ice Cube, I like, look at and you know a lot of times, you know, people claim them as actors and I been wanting to stop them, like like they hip hop first, Like you know what I'm saying, Like they hip hop and UM to see the to see the position that you know, they've took it it to for us to

continue to go, it's just amazing, man. It was. It was hard in the beginning because people people thought that they fought well when when when he got the TV show. It was a lot of backlash because for some reason, just the industry, hip hop industry, you know, UM and TV. Right, No, it wasn't even settling out. It was almost like we had this weird thing that people thought you can only do one thing exactly. It was like your hip hop and you're gonna be hip hop until the day that

you die. It's kind of like, you know, I like other stuff, you know, like and all of that stuff is super accepted now that I wasn't accepted in the beginning. Like people fought and just like you, you're trying to act like what are you doing because it was you guys.

Latifa was doing that too, And I remember like people saying like but but they were using like that that sound out like they were using us word because but you know what, you know what that I mean back in the days when they were saying to sell out that meant you just get money, Like I know what's about. It was like they were hats back in the days, like if you was a something that means you was wretched, let's make some noise for that. Goddamnity. I'm talking about

the show. One of my favorite songs of all time, the Summertime talk to us about the making. Did you guys know that record was gonna be as big as if he Can? I remember watching the video for the first time on the show. Wouldn't they and their intermation or something like, let me tell you something. I judge people barbecues, but based on if they play summer Time or not. Nigger. If they don't play smer Time about your food is tracked. She got not cant doing nothing else, dude.

But if I don't here Summertime, I own them. At least just put your food down. I'm sorry. I throw it out there to mean sorry, I got I got a little clearer. I mean, you know we um it was funny. That was the first year that Will was on the show. Um. And you know we east ghost fall, leaves turn brown, get a little chilly there. You're jacking off winter snow. You got your bomber ski hat. Spring, you know, first day of spring and seventy degrees. We go overboard and we don'ta throw some shorts on and

think think think it's hot. But you see the girl that you ain't seen all something, and she got a little thick. Your man got a new car and he he now shining. And what happened was he was in l A. So it's ninety in the in the winter. So I remember him calling me in the spring, you know, the first nice day we had. It was just like yo,

what's up? And I'm just like yo, So I just said she ball, she stocked now and set us just got a new car and set us up, you know, and he was like, damn, I missed that, Like and I never thought about that, Like, Yo, you don't get the seasons changing, so you don't have that in nostalgia. It's a little bit different, you know. You know, it's it's nineties Christmas. So that was the inspire easing that it was like, yo, like I'm I missed summertime in Philly.

I missed these nuances. And it was crazy because not realizing that every place has their own nuance didn't have to be what he talked about, Um, yeah, that's a universal record. And it was kind of like we put the record out and you know, it was everybody loved it or something like it. You know. But then what happened was the next summer came and you was kind of like, okay, that ship is over with and then

it's kind of like it's here again. And then the next summer came and it was it was here again, and it was kind of like to me as an artist, we dreamed to have something that never dies. Yes, you dream to have that legacy record that you know sometimes it's gonna be three thousand years old. Yeah, it's gonna be and you can't you can't plays. We can go to Mars. We can still still here summertimes. All right, I'm gonna be honest. I'll tell you that that is

a unit virtue. Today is a good day, ice Cube, That's one of them. Whenever you have a good day, whenever, like ship is real, Like you just gotta listen to ice Cube. But I was about when you know that it's springs, like because it's a certain smell spring is leaving, and when you know where summer is coming, and I just need to hear that something. Somebody's car. See, I'm a barb with you guy me so I got the head of the barbercue. I'm gonna going out of there. Man,

I'll take it personal. So so you guys, uh, you you go on tour. Uh he does h the fresh Princess that he starts going into into movies. Who was the first one Independence Day? Uh? No, he did the Fish. First movie was, uh, I want to say this movie called Where the Day Takes You, but I think he played a homeless man. But it was kind of like his first like trying to getting getting into it. And then um, he did uh the thing with Nia and

Ted dancing and Whoopie Goldberg. I forgot the name of that. Um, but it was just you know, you started seeing you started seeing the roles coming. Um that the first time hip hop is actually interim movie world. Yeah, to that level, because you know it was funny. Um, you know, there was a bunch of people that kind of came up. Queen was doing it for the female and yeah you do it and wrong new Jack but there's no rapper

ye okay, okay, but New Jack City came out. I mean we went to the screen of New Jack City, I want to set the fresh prints. So it was kind of like everybody was trying to get their field, you know, And then it was I think what it was we were also stereotyped as rappers that it's kind of like you gotta play the role that he played and New Jack's City, UM, and I think, um, you know,

Will would kind of play this funny guy. And you know, I remember when he did that movie, um, six Degrees of Separation, UM, and I remember him talking about, like, Yo, I'm there's certain you know, black directors and people that I want to work with that I can't seem to break through. And when he did that movie, that movie was so far left and he did such a great job that it separated him from everybody else that it got to the point that it's kind of like, down,

I'm getting calls from everybody. But I remember, you know when when when he did that was probably one of the first times that I realized how in depth being an actor is, because like it was crazy because we were going through a little bit of a friction, and the the mood that he had to get into play that role offered a lot of compassion and that kind of enabled us to sit down and squash whatever friction

that we had. But it was wild because he was like, yo, you know, like sometimes you go these places and you you don't know how to get back, you know, because you know, like it's the whole thing that you know, like they said, Denzel becomes every character he is. I watched that what I watched the entire time that Will did alive. He never spoke to me out of Ali's character. And it was the weirdest ship in the world. Listen.

He would talk to me to the point that I had to get off the phone because he would talk to me as mannerisms and all, you know, And I'm like, you know, you laughing off because I'm waiting for you to break and he would never break. And I'll call you back, you know, but you realize how deep you got to get into that. I think it's called us.

I was on the set with some dude right that it's not pretty, it's not that cool because like he was a dick in the movie, so he has to be a dick like like so that this dude is just walking about and your homeboys the last this ship is said Colorad. Alright, that's just that's another again, my my bad, that's my stuff. But yeah, like the level that that he has helped hoping up, like do you guys because this, yes, y'all I can see together is that like I like, I went to all the party.

It was a Netflix party that he had. Um that the ship that the new movie had just happened, right, and it was crazy. And I walked I walked in, and I'm talking about there was so many white people. God bless, there were so many white people. But I'm looking and I'm like, do they know about here? And I look and this is also it was real funny for me because I said, up nor, I said, I you know, I don't even didn't know me, but it was hilarious. Man, I ain't gonna lie. I love. I

love what you guys did for hip hop. You know what I mean? Because you guys took chances, you guys took risk. You guys make globally music first. You guys put it on the front that you know. You know, dog, you think what was going on? And wasn't you still you still who you guys were to the test of time. And look at look at your career, look at your legacy. You guys should be saluted every day. Every day you should say you sweet Jazzy Jeff motherfucking day. God damn it,

God damn legacy. And so we're so, why do you still DJ? You still love it? You still do? I love it? Man, I DJ more now than I ever did in my entire I work one now than I ever worked in my life ever. And it's because isn't the is the feeling that you're addicted to the same thing. Don't ask you a question. I'm not talking the music business or any of that. Are you smarter than you were when you put out your first album? Absolutely? Do you think you you you're more lyrical than you are.

Your vocabulary grown since you put out your first album. Probably not. I'm probably a kidn't differ. I'm different vocabulary, but everything else I got smart. Yeah, I mean it's kind of like you you you know how to navigate it exactly. You know, you know, you know how to maneuver in it. You know what I mean that, it's kind of like see for me, for artists, I got

I got tired of being on stage. See dj you control the stage on the low if you actually think what you said when you first said, you said, it's a wizard. And that's the best way to kind of describe a djail. You guys are in there with your lawns. That's your lawn. But see for me to stand there and just have to keep entertaining people for a certain amount of time, I kind of like I grew that, not not in a bad way because I was still love the perform I don't ever wanted people to get

that miss con screwed. But you know it's it's it's it gets it gets redundant, you know what I'm saying, because where a lot of times like the entertainment, it's not no, it's no difference between us and a stripper, you know what I'm saying, Like a stripper goals and dances, and like I'm just saying, Jake asked, I think it's up the stage and hate it. I'm just saying, sometimes

that's an artist. You you performed. I wnuna tell you I said the story before, but I'm gonna tell you this is the one time this is I kind of stopped performing. I have one of the most pruitiful times I've ever had. It hampets and we're sitting there smoking and I smoked. This is when I smoked cigarettes. And the guy he paid me. Of course he paid me, so he says, hey, you ready, let's go as who it was. Just how he's he made no harm, he

made no harm, he made no disrespect. But just just just you understand what I'm saying said you're ready, let's go. He didn't even make contact with me. I said, yeah, I don't work for you. Even though I had this money, I wasn't worked for I that day. And that's when I stopped slowing down those shows and I slowed two more bogies. This makes no noise to me. I couldn't never again, I can't do that, said, you're gonna have to wait another twenty minutes. Russia didn't do it for you.

When we went to Russia, Russia, they almost kill us. Yeah, kill us Russians. I ain't gonna lie. We was in the part of Russia. This is how where we are at St. Petersburg. Ever, but at the time, I don't know if it changed, but at the time it was so racist that the Russians that was with us had to wear buttons that said Russians against racism. You know you're in a racist We even gonna say we ain't doing that was terrible. Yeah, we do some ship man,

God bless you. Yeah. But as an artist, I kind of I kind of feel like, you know, I've seen you know, I've seen you know what was I don't know what tip trill and you know all of the famous strippers. They always come to Miami and people always go see it. And I always, you know, every now

and then I'll go and let's see. You know, I'm married, man, let's just watch you know, um, but I'm serious, but you know, and then you see these strippers that will perform and then the happiest one that someone stolen dollars on them and then they turned around and then they throw on this ice grill. And it's similar to how a person who has to perform performs, you know, because's certain people have to like there's certain people who like you know, you know, you see them like this nigg

is this nig you know. But then there's people who just they love it. And when you outgrow it, you gotta you gotta fall in love back with it. You're gonna be the stripper. You're gonna be the stripper that walks over and be like, man, man, these niggers keep throwing money at me. I'm sorry, man, I don't know where about. I don't wait, ship got man, were lady to strip us and ship It's crazy. I think the difference is what you were saying. It's it's a difference

between one thing to do it. Yeah, and have to do you know, when you when you when you when you want to do something, like you were saying, like you develop more love for you to develop more skills for it, like, um, you know. I remember speaking to Buster one time and Buster said to me, he said, you don't I don't do no nineties parties. And I had to ask him. I said, wow, he said, because if I do a nineties parties, that's the way they want to keep me at Do you think that's Do

you think that's all? Like he feels he's gonna be pigeon hell to that. I mean Busters case. I'm not saying in the Busters case. I'm saying in your case, like or and in your case you do whatever, okay, Like it's kind of like the the thing about that if you do a nineties party, just do your nineties ship. You know that you don't have to do that everywhere. I think, you know, it's kind of like, um, you know we I pretty much know what I'm going into to a certain degree. I know how how deep I

gotta go. I know how much is it me doing what I do and how much is it I have to split what I do to what you want, so you kind of you kind of know that, so I knock on wood. I'm never going into something blind, you know, just just completely like listen, I do a hundred and sixty hundred and seventy days a year wrestling. That is

that is wrestling, get a lot of money. But you know, it's it's it's you understand, you know, like I know what this club is gonna be like to a certain degree, Like I got I got a range that it's gonna be here and here. You know, I know when I go overseas and I do these tours like this is this is where I'm at. You know, I know, you know, you do the bottle service, your range might have to

be a little bit shifted to the left. You know, I go to Germany, I know my ship is shifted to the right, you know, and you just and you just kind of know, like that's that's your job is to kind of figure out your environment. Let's think about being a DJ is y'all think it's our geniuses. You could actually go there. Listen, my DJ. I'mna tell you

what I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna say no, no, never said the story, but Butcher used to always go to my show was thirty minutes before and tell me, because you know, I got Spanish records, I got fucking you know, CNN records, I got NORRY records. So what DJ would go and he would study the crown for half an hour. But this one time we didn't go. We went on time and we were late. So on time, it's late, and I kid you not, God bless his soul.

Prodigy was out there on stage, but he had a DAT so he must have came as DJ him in Havings, d I think DJ missed the flight so I had never a new popcorn fly they do popcorn. I was like, I'm not going out there. I said, no way. If they don't popcorn on that pee. This is the god at the time, my DJ, in my mind, I don't think he did it, but in my mind he smacked me and said, shut up, you're going out there. It's the first time he started with super Dog. Super Dog

was closerup, what what what? And he was like fun and my mind he smacked me. I'm sure he came. What was trying? He was like, shut up and just and he never gave me the list. We didn't go with no records. He just went out there and he went to all the number one you know, the ones you saved. We went to the Rose, first five, put it in the crowd, started all night Loomotive was because like it was, it was one us all night. You

saved the show. Russian guy, I just kept putting his hands on my hand in my neck because money go out. But that's why, that's why I look like a good DJ will sit there and say, y'all, I know exactly what you hey. Sometimes one time was in Germany and everybody in the crowds from her Duris. I had no idea from it made no sense. It made no sense from my DJ. My DJ was in the crowd and knew that, and he played my Spanish record, So I

killed the ground. Let's basically geman want the spars. I'm sorry, man, go on, think if I'm not wrong, he's that crazy. Ain't crack back. Then let's talk time. DJ lat me come on at tracks going on. I see you on the day. That's right, that's something that's crazy going on. Baby man, Real DJ ship Man, Real DJ was gonna love Real DJ ship. You know how much I listened

to every time I see you. I tell y'all listen to the Oh listen, you guys got any questions, but come on, I know you gotta be inspiration to y'all, to me, to y'all. You know, then listen, you don't. That's the one. Let's make some ually like on that career bad right now, That's what we were saying. The longevity, the longest here you could speak into it. Someone you give a child, man, I'm sorry, we don't organized eyes. Come on, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, this guy's incredible. Man.

We we we we we we salute our legends over here, and then it will be something you know, legends to it exactly, exactly, crazy as the Pride of Miami. Yeah, man, and listen, I didn't start as young as a track. So how young did you start? I started at thirteen? Was wait a minute, world champion? Yeah yeah, yeah, pick that up? Whoa wait? Wait wait? The world champion of that? It was? It was the DMC World Championships. We all

used to do all these battles. Jeff before us, but me and Craz won a bunch of these world titles. When how were you to do when I saw you that first battle of fifteen. That's the real and DJs rappers don't notice. DJs is you're starting out real real, like you don't get paid good at first. You gotta be good to get paid because there's a lot of locals, Yeah, that don't really get paid. Yeah, you know what, shut up.

Shout out to the DJ's held all down. Yeah yeah, big up to all the club dj and the DJs that have residencies every week because they hold down their market and their their job is actually tougher than ours, I think because if they don't, like Jeff was talking about being a servant of the crowd, you know, at least we have the luxury to have a certain weights our name, so when we show up in the venue, we can still steer it where we want. But if you're the resident DJ at the club and you're not

playing with the crowd wants, don't just leave. They'll they'll leave, they'll leave the dance floor. The manager will take you off. Like Actually, those that like their jobs like it's like the y'allow the closer DJ's right, So is there a rule like the opening DJ comes, this is their records that he shouldn't play. It used to be ethics there's no, but I'm saying that there should be. But now there's if we see a lot of people that don't really

respect that. So so if the number one record is out and the opening DJ he can't play it, and you guys won't take it, well, I'm gonna tell you what the difference is is, especially these guys, what you do is the number one record, Like it's not the record, you know what I mean? Like there's a level that I'm coming to see Crazy, I'm coming to see a track. I'm not necessarily coming to see what Crazy and a

track are going to play. There the entity of themselves that it's kind of like when you get to that level, you almost a kind of like I don't given what you play instruments people, but I don't care what you play. But not just that. It's kind of like I've seen both of these guys play numerous of times. There's a

man fucking records. I'm not gonna be mad because you played one of the records And I had that with somebody that they had a pre something mapped out set and I played a couple of records and it was like you freaked out, and I was just like fucking to play something like if you would play this, I'm gonna play something different. Like you looked at it, you know what I mean. Like, it's not like I'm going on stage and I'm performing one of jay Z's records.

Before jay Z. It's like because certain DJ's used to facts a list to venues. If you books such and such in your city, as like the promoter the or the club own or whatever, you would receive a list of records to give to your o opener to say, do not play the records from this list disrespected the opener did play it. But that's also because before Serato and all of that, as the DJ would travel to your city with whatever, three crates of records and that's

all he had. So DJ before played a couple of those records, you're like, yo, this, I don't have other stuff to play. So that's changed with the digital age. I have a question for Jeff actually on that topic of like playing to the crowd and traveling and everything.

Like I know one thing that I'm sure we've all noticed this, like in the in the last ten plus years, once you know, blogs and the Internet and everything really connected the whole world and it got to a point where, you know, youth culture in North America, Europe, Asia, Latin America, after Africa, everyone has been listening to the same records

at the same time through the internet. Right. But I remember early even my early trips to certain parts of Asia where I would play, start playing the crowd and being like, oh shit, they I don't even know what records they know and like here, So like for you, Jeff ro was that like going to certain what if I I've always had a tunnel vision right, wrong and different. It's kind of like I am I am the state big potato and salad that you get in the restaurant.

I'm gonna give you this ship and you're not. If you book state big Potato in salad, you're gonna get it. And it's kind of like, you know sometimes you know, there were times that it didn't. You know, for the most part, it's kind of like I believe that you know, if people are booking you for you that it's kind of like, you know, especially you really gotta stick to I'm gonna do me when I don't know what this is.

When you are unsure, the one thing that you were sure of is yourself and it's kind of like I don't know what language they're speaking, but I'm gonna play, Biggie what you were saying that you guys felt about New York. You have this perception, and I'm sure when you go to these places in that area, they just had a perception. They just wanted Jeff. They're playing. But let me tell me, because you guys as DJs as this record, I don't know whose sings in. I don't

know what they're saying. I like it, I just don't know, am, I don't point it goes Moe. Is that one of the highest records for a year. I don't know what. I don't know what. I don't know what who, I don't know, I can't under but there is that those words may be art and if I'm not mistaken, I think the title is after the dude that plays for the man, Orlando. That's his man, so he named it after his man. Who's the best, Well, who's a wokie? Yeah?

And then homies like Scheck and Obamba. I think they went to school again, that's how their homies or something. So and then Check named the record after Now you bet, Kanye, but what was your affiliation with Kanye and official tour DJ for years. I just did one year. Chris came in after Ilia when when I left when I started Fool's Gold, and I told, yeah, I'm not just gonna leave you high and driving to give you the best TJ in the world. Chris Man. Yeah, So now how

is it? How is both of you guys been on tour card for our fans who probably won't know or ever get a chance to imagine that. Who's breathing that hard? You need guys, because now I'm just telling you have to pay way too much. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean I just did one year, so like was in and out and I couldn't DJ from anymore because I was just like I want to beat my yeah, And I feel like when when you came in something like the

staging change. I was lucky because I came in right at the start, like when I when I got the job college dropout. It just came out and if you went to see a show, it was yeah, me and John Legend on stage and that was it. I would play the tracks, John would you know, play piano on top, sing and the show was us. And it was a really cool experience because we all kind of grew together, and then when he decided to bring in a string section, he would have me speak to the string section and

kind of like help director. Yeah, Orgestra, Yeah, like I had to learn how to like talk to hardcast. Yeah, this is the part where so the learning process was cool, and like we all come from a very you know, from like an underground hip hop place where, and I think all of us started with battles. Also, So our first couple of years we were we were performing to an audience that was like sort of in on the jump, like an audience that knows everything that we know. They

know same codes. They had seen other DJs that were as technical as us. So we're sort of preaching to the choir. Fir, this is the big polo cane right right right, So, and I'm saying like even prior to that, I was I was performing to crowds that already knew what I was doing on stage because you know, turntableism, I've gotten pretty technical in advance, but the crowd knew

that I was doing. What I enjoyed with the Kanye experience was I had to perform for crowds that had no idea what I was doing and I have to figure out to still make it work. So the growth with that was cool because I went from you know, working in a sort of closed circle, so then that

box breaking open. You know, you definitely side with all the turn with will too when you're in front of a crowd that's like, you know, teenage girls that like that song from MTV and you and your your m C is like, all right, now show them why you're the greatest DJ in the world. You've got to convince an audience that doesn't even know what you're about to do, and that forces you to learn how to adapt your craft.

So that growth was cool. You think DJs get the amount of props to the desserved No, no, no, I mean I think I think it's better now as Yeah, I mean, but but you know what, and and and I didn't. I didn't think bad of the the DJ explosion because I think we were in the dark for so long that I accepted the explosion that was just the counteract. Like, you know, I felt like the DJ

was cast aside, especially in hip hop. Like I've really started to get angry because I'm kind of like every rock group in the world has a DJ and every hip hop artists and has a death machine, you know, and it was just kind of like wow, like this is this this all kind of went together. But what happened was you cast us deside, and we just kind of created a world on our own that's kind of like, well ship, if we are the ones that play the

music for people to dance. Because I really thought that Vegas was going to be Bismarcki jay Z, Like I've thought like, okay, we got Sammy Davis Jr. All of us that I thought that the growth of Vegas was going to be the performers in hip hop, not the DJs. But it got to the point that it was kind of like, well ship, you got one good record, six bad records. He can play all good records. I'm gonna get him to play it. I don't need to see you perform. I can have him play your record, you know.

And a lot of that was because there was no togetherness. We we were pushed to the side. Whether we was kind of like yeo, let's start our own networking community, and and it just blew up on the side. And now everybody who raps wants to be a DJ, you know, everybody wants to be a d jack. Now I'm not gonna I thought I could DJ for a second. I didn't try, I didn't go publicly. And you know what's I do not get mad at anybody on earth who

wants to try to be a DJ. I am not mad at You're not mad at J. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what it's. It's but what I'm not gonna do. I am not gonna not play high school ball, college ball. Send me pro and go and try it for the sixers. I think that's disrespectful. It's disrespectful for all of the people that put in all of the time. You can play ball, but there's a

different level. So I'm kind of like, then you just need to be prepared to somebody throw you on the floor against the Knicks and you Anthony, and you gotta take that happen comes and starts walking off. Somebody who gets into it or wants to get into it, or cares about getting into it, you know, the more to marry it. But it's kind of like I've said on occasions that I'm never worried about another DJ more than I'm worried about myself. Like it's it's so because the

person can control the playlist, don't mean controller party. Listen. Let me tell you something I've always said, learning to be a great DJ is not about the good night. This is about how you do the bad. It's about how you listen. Because we all know that night that I'm like, yo, I'm it's kind of like yo. Like I've looked at my watch and I'm like, i gotta play two hours and i got an hour and fifty five minutes left. Let me tell you something I did. This guy in Canada voked me. He was the Soaker

Prince of Canada. This motherfucker was like, I want you to play this POxy Listen. I don't know shit about something I'm not said, it don't matter. I want you to do you. I stuck to my guns and was like no, no, no, no, fucking When I tell you, I walked in and never realized that Soca was a hundred and ninety vo PPM and it was didn't didn't and it was three thousand. Motherfucker's name was Crazy And let me tell you, we got me nervous. Right before

I went on. He walked over. He said, still for you to drop a couple of socer records said I told you because he was like, you know, if you if you want, and I came on and when I tell you, I will never in my life forget the girl in the front row because I didn't play the whole set. I played maybe like thirty minutes, but for twenty seven minutes she was like this. She would not stop shaking her hand, like Dave was so fu mad

for me. And then you know, because you go through that ego like fuck it, y'all playing Canada, I'm a plow. You know. It's Caribbean people with attitudes and it's cold and Canada, and but you have everybody has the names and I'm like, yo, as a DJ, you learned how

to get through those nights. Like you know, it's kind of like we all kind of know what we want to play, but we all have the ability to make a motherfucking detour and a heartbeat because you have to like listen, I'm not gonna fit that round pig in the square holes that's gonna fit. I'm grabbing another pig,

you know. But you you know, and I'm like a lot of these new guys no one way, they don't trouble shoot and it's kind of like you can see, you can see like you know, we had plenty of times standing on stage like yo, he's he's going down in the flame. He's going down, Like I feel bad. You know that's how you figured out you have a you have a tape? Are you a world together? We had we had a We never had a bad show. But we did the Apollo that you didn't get. No, no,

I tell you, we were on the edge. It would be sa come out. We didn't do that Apolo. We did Apollo Theater. But we did the Apollo Theater with Guy at the height of guide them and we were headlining, and it was kind of like, yo, who the fund made us headline with Guy in Now y'all fucking groove me and and and I think I which was already a little suspect, you know, and I'm a man. That ship was hot. But the bad thing is we did

two shows. We did a matinee show, which we got through by the skin of our teeth, and then we had to do the nighttime show and both up all yes, same and the waiting for that second show hand sweating because we like yo, we we can't go him after God like you can't go on after Teddy Riley and hard Teddy could spit from his crew, do you know? And yeah, it was you know, I never want to

think about them day. So you want to think so you would label at your work show not not not a bad show, but yo, like you're not so great? Yeah that was that was it. I mean, you know we we we should. What's your favorite show man? I can't because that's that, you know. I don't know if I wanted the standouts ones where you you just it was like, well, you know, what's crazy? After twenty years,

Will and I did two shows last year. We did a show in Croatia and we did a show on Blackpool in the UK, um and it was just us and it was like thirty thou people um and and it was you know, it was it was. It was different because you don't know, you know, it's kind of like ship we're doing these shows. I don't know, like from that from I have no idea what my old Will's relevancy to the world is. You know, you hear it,

but but I want the legend. But you I almost think everybody's lying to you, So you don't know, but I understand. I mean, listen, you know you don't know, you know, And and to me it's it's safer for me not knowing, because you know, I don't know where i'd be if if But it's just you know, so so going out and you know, somebody selling the show with tickets and all the rest of this. You just kind of like that is anybody gonna show up? How

do you know? But to watch people show up and with albums and fresh princivallet of jerseys and jackets and you know, and it was just um, and it was crazy because during the show, Um, I had a monitor in Will's air. Then I had a microphone that I could talk to him doing the show, and I was like, yo, tell everybody to put up their phone and turn their flashlights on. And when he when he said it, I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't pick my phone up

and take a picture of it. Like I frozzed because too, because it was on a pier and you know, in in England, and you couldn't see how far the crowd went back. So when everybody put their light on and you kind of saw how far thirty thousand people went back. I couldn't pick my phone up and take a picture because you were just kind of like like and listen, we ain't never got to do another show in life. I'm good, you know. Goddam Let's make some noise for

that guy. Where was this a real crazy show? He just he just jumped in the Grand Canyon bungee jump the Grand can I was scared the depth the whole time on Instagram looking at that. Were you there? I wasn't going to that, But did you watch it? Oh? Yeah, I watched it. There's nobody nobody close to him like that, nobody like Charlie Curson on that you know, Charlie cursonal Live TV. Because he you know, he was uncomfortable. We all were uncomfortable because I might did that. No, is

that comfortable? Is having too much money? You just want to do whatever you want, he said, I've just asked to be an interress. Will couldn't swim And I watched Will cliffdove in Jamaica. He paid a guy to be in the water at the bottom and he cliff over in Jamaica in the water and he couldn't swim. So understand his thing. Yeah, listen, his thing has always been if I'm afraid of it, I'm running to it. I ain't got that needed, I ain't got none of that

big man. Listen. But that's always been his name. Listen. He was terrifying of that jumping what he jumped in the Grand Grand Can. There ain't no there ain't no black people. Ship. I'm starting out there. It ain't some black people. I'm wiping and ship. It's so I'm rich and I'm just it's I don't think it's a color

at all. This has no color. I'm rich and I have I'm just gonna live my best life for real, for real like that, because that's getting high, like that's getting hot, like you know with these kids are these percosects and it's lean. That's not hot. Rush from that. It's crazy, but you could it could be the old One and the Grand Canyon. I'm good. Do you got you have a had a bad show? A god, I'm one of those DJs that sticks to his guns. And that's a bad. It's more of like I just wanted

I want it to me. So you're in there playing chief keeping wonta bregage? Though one Danny set a hip hop playing I'm playing druming bass at a hip hop clup back when like that show was not et M and hip hop or not, I think, wow, early early two thousands. So yeah, I was just going to be like, this is what I like on my and you would stick with it and stick with it, and is it a sign that you're sucking up? Like he said, the

girl was looking at the crowd starts apart. He started to seeing everybody to tell, but I would usually do it at the end of the night, though, so I make sure I give them what they wanted, you know, come seeing you do my thing and I'm playing, You're like, and then I bes like I teennis you know for me do my thing you Yeah, definitely, I think every DJ has had that show was one of your moments.

To me. A bad shows also if you show up in some city and there's like no one there, yeah, I mean you show up and you're like, I some of my best shows with like people that these things. I'm but as DJ's, we gotta figure out a vibe, even though you know, sometimes that bad show could also be a full room, but you could like we gotta

like read the crowd, right, so we're looking. I remember like one show where I was looking and be like, all right, this area wants like house music, in this area wants new hip hop, this area wants old hip hop. In this area wants like E. D M. Trap kind of stuff. And I gotta like figure out a flow that makes everyone happy. And sometimes you just can't. That's like you gotta crack a code. Sometimes you just don't

crack the code. At night, You're like I try my best, Like yesterday lose at dawn dsces a bit um and that crowd was a little different, you know what I'm trying to say. It's just all different types of people. You've got multiple industry people in the and how by the way, it was like a like a like an open bar kind of event, so that draws all kinds of people like free alcohol. Now think about it, how do you attack like that? Like? I mean that one to me was for me was also kind of casual

because it was my friends product launch. I wasn't I wasn't even looking at it that much on something like ye know, I got to rock the crowd. I was just thinking, here's a bunch of like influencer types that came to support you. Know an event, let me just play some records that they probably didn't expect to hear, but that they that they still like. Because a lot of times, like I'll go into a party and think,

I don't want to just make the crowd happy. I want to leave a lasting impression and for them to go home and tell their friends and be like, yo, a track played this record last night. I never expected to hear that, but it worked. Like, I want to surprise people. That's a big difference between djaying and being an m C. Whereas and m C. You're doing your songs, but we could play any of the bazillion songs. It's upt us to choose stuff that will work, but hopefully

the surprises people. So the thing like that, Like last night, I'm just thinking, like, all right, these this crowd probably has been hearing the same ten songs three times a night because whole week during Basil, I mean, and let me play a few different things to leave an impression. You guys prefer doing tables sets or playing full sets. I'm gonna be honest, as the person is not a DJ. I don't know what the funk you just said our instruments.

What I'm saying these guys could do amazing things on the turntable and they could just do that and it would be like a show or do they want to

play like? You know, just like But I think the ultimate goal is to find to figure out to set that merges all of that, and that's I looked up to Jeff from way early on on that tip when I would go see him spin, even back when I lived in Montreal, and I'd be like, Yo, this is so ill because he's rocking the crowd, but he's also doing tricks that would normally make the crowd sort of

stop and watch. They're still going with it and like finding that balance that's like the holy grail for technical So so, so what's your what's your favorite part of the UM? You know what I think? I think UM and and and crazy and Atrack can attest to this as a DJ. There's a point when you know you got and I say, sometimes you got them. Sometimes you can have them as soon as you walk on you ain't gotta play ship. It's like, yeah, this is and then sometimes it's like, oh, you're gonna fight me a

little bit minutes to get you. I think what I like is knowing that I know what's about to happen three records from now, and you don't, like, I'm like, okay, keep that stone, like, especially when you get to do that's in the front. You want to be in the front, but you want to have a stone face and I'm not, Oh, I'm listen, you're gonna nod your head like I'm betting money that my goal is kind of like because you don't know, and I'm watching me. I'm watching this smile

come on and go off. I'm watching ice cream. I'm washing your hands loosen up to the point that at the end of the night you can't take it and you just say, fucking I'm gonna go to the back. I got it, got to let go. But I think knowing that you know something that everybody else does it. But I know what this is gonna end, and I know where you're gonna be when this ends, But you don't know how do you deal with like, Like one of my worst shows I've had was a guy was

in a performing the Guys in the Front. Best it was your dude that seven songs like Relax. How do you deal with drunk people who just come out of you? I don't just request, but I am. I am the master already. I listen, I've had this pounds in my face and I'm like this, but I want to see,

you know, because you'll get the guy. It's kind of like, yo, you know, you know, somebody just want I gotta come up and shake my hand, and especially now like my man got the cell phone, so get me, get getting your getting jets, like I'm right in the middle of something, like tell me what part of this did you Like?

I saw the video that kid could pre did and I would never do it, but I gave him so much problems that the girl kept asking him to play something and he stopped the music completely and was like, okay, since you want to funk up everybody's good time for what you want to hear. I want you to tell everybody what you want and listen. She started crying. She stopped. But it's kind of like, yo, like you kind of got you know, so it's you know, you just gotta

know m that. I mean, I've seen that. I've seen that a couple of times, so you just know that's that's that's listen everybody, everybody, you know, I mean, which is a whole another issue. But it's kind of like you wake up to the ten songs, you go to work to the ten songs, You listen to ten songs and your lunch break, listen to him on the way home, and you go to the club and you fucking want to ask me to play the ten song, Like just get in the car and listen to the radio. You

know what I mean? Like you you you have like I believe that especially as these as you have to kind of you have to kind of stand your ground. Like there's a level of me that I feel like I'm standing on my ground to protect the culture because one of my biggest fears is is I was like, I never I never want to feel like you can walk into a club and the DJ booth being closed and somebody's playing a mix and you don't know m let it like, let me, I'll stopped for one second.

I was watching something earlier. It was like Robots killed HBO. Right, it's basically, um, I'm I'm describing this very long, but it basically they're showing you how like in a couple of years, you might not even need to bar Like they're gonna have something. Yeah, that's just your gold it's gonna be all that. Do you think they canna ever do that with a DJ? No, they can't know because they got robots right now listen, Because you know, people talk about equipment that can put things in key and

put things in mix. What you can never do is find an algorithm that I can look in your eyes and tell that you about you really want to fucking hear this mob deep record exactly like they when they developed that. Then I'll get a little nervous, But at the you know, at the end of the day, I also feel like one skin not trying to be conspiracy. There's I also feel like the reason why they're dumbing the music down is to make it to the that you can do something like that to make it serviceable. Yeah.

So I'm like, yo, like I appreciate, I'm mad, appreciate a track and craze because when you see them, they do something that no machine in this world could ever do. And I think you have to show that. I get mad at DJs with skills and get up there and just play records and never show announce of their skills. I'm like, yo, you were you were putting yourself in this category that they're going to enclose the DJ booth

and play your fucking mixed team. You better make sure that there's not a machine on earth that can duplicate what you can do, like and that's saving the culture. Because it made me think of that because because actually I was I was watching it, I was getting a haircut, and I just looked at my ball you becoming late the probably change the channel, and it made me think

of that just now. But that what you just said makes DJs are DJs are curators, and so even aside from the skill aspect, you know, to have a human being making choices, you know, you can't replace that because you think about it, like when Spotify first came out and it was like all the music in the world available, a lot of people will send up in caviar or something like that before that, because what I was getting at is they had to start doing playlists to recommend

certain records two people. Because at first when you had that things originally made by DJs, or that the Spotify like playlists come from like the iPods era when iTunes. And the last thing is when all the music in the world is like you go to Spotify. Now you can go to a playlist. Yes, you go to title, go to the place's curated by certain individuals, But was that I'm literally like a DJ set. That's when the playlist is. Yeah, I think it's a way it's it's

sort of it's it's it's a DJ similar to my DJ. Yeah, because part of DJing is not just the song as you play, is the energy that you bring. The crazy thing with certain DJs is you could be out hearing a DJ said someone played one record and you'll be like, man, this is dope. What is that? You find out what the record is, you go back home, listen to it, and it doesn't hit you the same way because certain DJ is the way they bring the record, in the

way they read the orgy. Yeah, and just there's something about that energy control. It's like you know magicians, where the record by itself isn't the same thing. So playlist doesn't have the flow and the energy of a DJ set. Yeah. So I just realized I'm surrounded by DJ M gonna do a crazy show for DJ but yeah, I mean,

I ain't gonna lie. I'm loving the because as an artist, uh, I've never done a show without a DJ um and I know that that controls the thing, so it is in case anybody's ever you know, we know that you guys run the show. We know that you guys were in the world, and we appreciate that. You know, from every artist in the world to you know, every fucking fans and everybody who has a hair who listens to

great music, we want to say thank you. You know that DJs were in the world, and also big up to DJ Enough and DJ Commiller was supposed to stop by, and that would have been dope to have all your DJ and thereuld have been not been enough records. So so let me just ask you something before we get about here, the transition from vinyl to fully digital. Is it a good thing? Because the one thing I will tell you was paying your dues is a DJ kind

of felt like carrying rates? Where would it can we replace Carrie and creates for a book bag with your laptop rating it? Because I always felt like that was paying your dudes. Is a DJ like like like actually, you know, me being from New York City and me being like, you know, going to the tunnel, that would be my thing. I would try to get there earlier to see a DJ come out there with their crates and be like, you know, forgetting them where their gloves

and be freezing. I'll be looking like that's a good ole DJ, right, you know what I'm saying. But now these guys they don't freeze at all, you know. But but um, what is what is the transition from you know, like seriously, from crates to is it a plus? Or is it? It? Is? It? It was a huge change, by the way, because like you know, it's almost people

forget that before the digital was even an option. When you made a record and you want to to play it, you have to go get a dub plate press to get an act press, or if you uh, you know, if the airline lost your luggage, you couldn't play that night off. I don't miss any of the final stuff. It's funny because world stress TJ. So people come up to us and it's like, yeah, final. I'm like, oh, it's final, really breaking my back having airlines losten. I

don't miss any of that. So if you lose your computer, just mean they're gonna lose your computer. It's you back. But you would check in multiple crates in the that was that's a nightmare. You don't hold your breath every time the luggage coming. Yeah, because it's kind of like there's one, there's another. I got to London one time and the tops of my crates came the tops of my boxes just because there was a bunch of DJs

that worked in the airport. And then you, oh, London was gangster back in the day, coming and you're just would come and it would be the tops, and you'll be waiting for the bottoms because first of all, you don't if the bottoms, if the tops, and you know, on the records all over the players, and it would never come because someone would take that off, put a top on and there was somebody rocking in London. Wow, So the record we're saying, this is great, this is great.

The whole the digital thing makes every song available to you. And I think that's really cool too, because that ended up helping break down some of the barriers between genres and everything. It just it helped music involved. In the last ten years, DJ's really played a big role in in steering the direction of music in general. A lot of artists started going to dj C being like, yeah, what's the next sound? And I think that digital transition

helped in that because it brought everything together. And at the end of the day, even if it's kind of wild to think that every DJ that plays on every stage, every club has access to all the same records, but it's kind of cool because then it puts the force bag like it's it's each DJ's own taste and style. They'll make a difference whether they're good or not. Like that we all have access to the same records, we have the same I was like, you know, we have

a backyard. I did, but I have a party. You guys all have the same records, but it would be all three different energies, completely completely different. Yeah, that that's awesome. That's do you guys get mad? Like when you hear artists that sounded the same. They're DJs that do the same thing as another DJ. Oh yeah, absolutely damn you got you got designers and like those you know what I'm saying, but got that. But you know what again?

Once again, man, thank you for hanging out. Jazzy jeff Man, I wanted to self to I was talking about the whole transition in and the fresh princhion belt an um. I have to salute you for the transition into a

different arena. I think that it is very important to kind of show the hip hop generation, and especially because you know, we still we have some legendary stubborn brothers doing the one thing that there are a lot of people that are talented and more than just what anybody know, knowing for what, and you're never too old to take

that jump into something else. So trust me. Like for me to be sitting on here talking to you in a completely different light than when I know you from the game, it's that that's the I can't believe that all the time. Is that's who I took it from. It's like seeing your brothers take those opportunities to take those chances, like you the ol owls to create my teeth. But it was just like you know um, and I was like, yo, you know what, if I can do it on my way, then then then why not you

know what I'm saying, Like why not? Like I love to I love to talk hip hop. I think a hip hop we this should be our first take we should have. I believe I get out of here, but I believe that you shouldn't go to no other place for anything in life, Meaning if you want to go to a yelp. I'm making the hip hop you up right now right, So I'm making the ship that nor Re recommends where I want the fun you eat. And I'm gonna tell you look, if you want to get shot,

this is where they go. They got the best friend chicken though in the world, it might be worth it, you know what I'm saying. If you want to go, you wanna get some fried oreoles over, yeah, I got like I'm not giving people like And if you want to go to the news, I believe that you go to the news. I believe Jim Jones should be the weather forecaster. I believe, you know, I believe it's Jim Jones.

See what I'm saying. I believe if you want to go sneakers shopping, I believe it's Fat Joe should be guiding you through your sneakers and saying, listen, this is like I believe you should get every bit of information that we have in hip hop through hip hop. You know what I'm saying, Through hip hop, I don't believe. I believe everything should come from us. And because I don't believe hip hop is even a color, I believe hip pop is as his own race. We all race.

You know what I'm saying, like you, what are you? I'm hip hop kid, but staff exactly what it because it's our bonn our bonn like, like it doesn't matter what color a person is easy hip hop. If you hip hop to me, I funk with you, like I don't give a funk where your background coming from. And that's it's hip hop is a language, is it's it's uh, it's it's two things at the universal it's food and

motherfucking music. Like no matter where you go. I remember I was at some airport and these people are just playing music and you're just seeing people just walking by. Everybody had a little box to them. I'm saying, this ship everybody, even the ones off beat ship. This guy's okay, he's anybody love music, so anybody doesn't. It looks like food. And I think we gotta keep spreading this. But I

think we gotta keep spreading love. We gotta keep continue to you know, to I love that these two you know dj these hot DJs, they came and they paid comments immediately, and that's beautiful. But we need more of that. We need more of people of our legends continue to feel like legends and continue to be out there and making money, continue to be out there and making our culture look good. Because if we ain't gonna bag each

other up, ain't nobody gonna big us up. Bro. And guess what, we need a little bit of big enough. Sometimes you need that pattern of your shoulder. I ain't gonna lie to you. That's why, you know, that's why marathon runners to be having them people on the side like yo, mother, you can get me going right, Yeah that's twenty six. I can't. I can't thank you man. Thank you think it if you'll get drops, thank you, thank you? Yes, yes, you know. I like to picture