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dj e FN. Together they're drinking up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts for us New Year's e Just time for drink champs. Trink up, motherfucking up? What the good be hoping he is with his two PC boy and O R. What up is d j e F and his drink chat? Ya yallow ma up. When we think of the West Coast, when we think of a person who's been standing here phenomenal, you think of a person who stood by Dr dre side. If we heard

he's still running the pharmacy right now. It's this very moment he's transition and went into another whole direction and he made motherfucking cars. Pam Baker. He has stood the test of time. You see him on Fox TV. Out here, I ain't doing what I gotta do, still out here with the thickest Cubans, making the West Coast look good. If you don't know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the one the only said, you've been out here

monkey footing this game for a long goddamn time. You got one of the most rememberable videos of all times. What you get? Man? That was crazy. It was the first time we seen a person like even though it might have not been one take, it looked like one take like that. That's how we've seen me. Like what the yeah? That was like, I mean, there's a story behind that video. When I was on a Loud Records of that video that was I was gonna get to

That's a big part of it. So I was on a love of records and at the time it was like heavyweights on the label and and and we had a West Coast office, and in the West Coast office it was me the alcohol I think um seller dwellers, going back and forth. But they was trying to break it into the West, and so we were kind of like on our own island, and you we all know you can't go to war from my island. So I had to be more creative with in order to impress

the New York office. You know, uh, shout out to Matt Life's Scott Free, all those guys. Yes, So so I went to uh, I got to um, I got to this idea of wanted to do this one shot video, and all the directors that I kept talking to didn't They couldn't wrap their head around it. And so I didn't want to give up on the idea. So there's one director that wanted to actually do it, but he was a porn director. Yeah, and so he was crazy.

He's like, you know I could, I'm shooting all kinds of other wild ship Why why couldn't I do that? So we it's third it was thirteen shots. We we did it in like two days, two days, and then we put that thing out and then it just took off, and I think I was like the first real impression I got to the music industry. Well, everybody had to step our video game. Yeah, the game. Just in case you didn't know that anybody, because we had beatings about you. This guy the water and the water come on, this

doesn't allow. But I wanted. I wanted to do like videos like that, Like that was you know, I was new to the industry, like paparazzi. That was my idea to put the orchestra on the beach because I just wanted to do other than what everybody else was doing. I've always tried to be like that and a true drink chaps fashion. You're a real drink chap because when I googled you, I realized that you got married and the rest of them the same same drink, you know,

which is great. Only I could do that. You know. It was first of all, I love being married, and you know what I'm saying, it turned into us I love being married to by the way, absolutely And it was a beautiful ceremony. We had, you know, all our friends and family there and we everything went off without

a hitch. I got back to you know, we were standing in the resort next to the place we got married, and then we ended up getting in the room and my wife was like, you forgot the box, you know, the box where everybody dropped the gifts, you know what I'm saying, right, the money, and so I feel like, you know what, it's right around the corner. I feel good. Let me run to go get to every ship. So I hit the corner, got the box, came back out, stopped.

You know. I was really excited about getting back and uh, I hit a light and then lights came on. Okay, so you so right, So you did hit it. Like so it's not like like the police, let's not racial, Like, no, I'm not gonna give them that I did. I did fly fly like you know what I'm saying. And so they lit me up. So I pulled over the thing and I was literally, I mean like, this is the this is where I got stopped. This was the hotel, you know. And so so I was telling I was like, yo,

you know, I just got married. I was just here. It was there and this and this. My motherfucker said, oh yeah, wi's your tuxedough. I was like, nick, I just you know what fun you just you know, just I got time for this. I was in there for about an hour, you know what I'm saying. It didn't the folks came and got me. But the next day it was like it was you know, how do you know what I'm saying. It was all over the place, it was fucked up. Then I was mad, as you

can tell my booking photo man. But at the same time, you know, now it's it's it's it's a funny story. You know. Definitely only I could pull some ship like that crazy. So now when you described earlier, you said loud right now again, we just had that press on here too, And you guys were like that was like the epitome of you guys, that pig, big punt. Like, how is it even being on a legend every label like that? Is it competitive? Is it like like you

describe it, all the New York niggas hated us. I said, it was two separate things, you know what I'm saying. And it was like when we go to the office, it was like all these niggas is here. You know what I'm saying. Because at the time, you know, Wu Tang was a juggernaut, you know what I'm saying, Um, it was, it was super. So it was like we always had to prove ourselves and then when we got victory. When you're saying we, you're saying West Coast West Coast.

It wasn't the hardest or the executives or the people in the office. It was just like you want, man, you know what it was back in the day. I mean, come on, you know, it's like we used to it. You know, West Coast niggas flying to New York. The radio DJ played the ship when they come from the airport, then you know it's there. And then when they go home, it's like like that. It's like that, let's keep it.

But that's what I mean, not now, not now, you know what I'm saying, because the too global, but what hip hop was very regional at the time, you know what I'm saying, And so when we would come in, we would always have to be proving ourselves. And so once we started having success, especially like behind what you see is what you get. And then when we started doing the doctor's race stuff, it was kind of like, oh, okay, it's accepted and it was a different field when it

came in the office. But Steve Refkin, Rich Isaacson, you know, all these guys were like really behind what we were doing, and so it was a struggle at first, but then once they saw how serious it was getting, it became something like it we became part of the family, and

what was that a goal for you? It is like to be accepted in New York because we know absolutely, because we know like for us it's like, you know, we we invented hip hop or whatever, but we we in the funny ways we look for y'all for cool signmon, like we looked to y'all to be like and then. So I don't know if it did ever mean like for y'all to be accepted. Absolutely absolutely, I remember going and I remember we used to walk down the streets in New York drinking forties. You know what I'm saying,

sitting on the stool, just going. I remember taking the train when I went to by myself to go to see Master Ace, when I first got to train, by the way. But it sounds very dangerous, Well, I mean I wasn't I I think so because they always put out of town man, and they don't want to put

us in the jungle. But but we can. Well you know, I would just I would love coming to New York and and and sitting in the studios and and and listening to the vibes and listening to because out in the West, you know, there's only a few cats that are considered lyrical, you know what I'm saying, and so yeah and so um, you know me feeling like I wanted to be part of that. UM. I would always seek out people that I felt lyrical as well. So that's that's why I'm being accepted in New York was

so important. I remember going to New York and shooting the I think you were there too, the greatest day in hip hop that they had everybody, like everybody lined up on the steps. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a really big deal for me. I got a lot of respect for the DJs, the culture, the m c s, you know, the breakdance and graffiti, everything that came from New York. You know what I'm saying. You know what

the crazy ship is social me. If you'd have had social media back then, you you wouldn't realize how much of New York appreciated you more. That's the problem is you can't find these people because back then there was no way to get in. I knew. I knew because I walked down the street and people tell me exactly, and then people wasn't playing the records and exactly. It was good, but y'all thought I was from there first.

I mean, there was like this legal from what you were whole The whole crew was spitting speaking of LIX because you gotta record with the albumhost. When you say drinking a Henny is a gift, yeah, I could drink a whole Hennessey filth. So I called out a problem, but I call it a gift. We just want to see you start that just wants alright, let me try to see that. I'm not going a live let me

tell you alright, alright, only for you man, listen. But when we go, would you it was a lot of alcoholic, A lot of alcohol is And I said exactly, but you enjoy yourself listen because I don't know if you know, but we we celebrate people's careers over here. You got a tip it when you do it. We celebrate people to do over here. And for you standing the test of time. A lot of people don't understand how hard

that is. Like you know, I respect these brothers with these two year careers and one hit oneers and people. I respect them to the same way because they can feed their family. They can feed their family. But by dollar, Dolly g I'm not respect. People have been out there the years and they were trying to said you was one of the first people, Like I'm gonna be honest, you might have created love and hip hop. Now hit me out. I know everybody like, what the funk? Hit

me out? Of anybody? You were the first rapper to fun with reality and make it cool. Do that seed kind of burped every other reality show after that for calls. I think what we did pimps because Will and um L L did it, but they didn't script this show. You this is non script correct, absolutely, so um I think you were like, yeah, so described to me because you know you exhibit y'all here the West Coast and these these people from MTV step to you or wasn't

a production company that steps to you prior? So it was a production company. A gentleman named Rick Herbert's came to me so rich. Yeah, he came to me and was like, you know, I want to do this car show because I was getting my cars actually done at West Coast Customs. Whoa and so and so he and I was just sitting around cracking jokes, making people laughing. Ship and so he was like, you know, you'd be a great host. I was like, fuck you, I'm not

gonna you know, there's nothing else compared. Yeah, there's nothing compared to. So we literally we literally did the pilot and and somebody one of the one of the camera guys backyard. Uh, he had a friend at his We literally put an air freshener and put some new hub caps and watched the ship. That was like what we did to the car. And so you know, he came in and was like, oh, this is great. And I was just working with them and making jokes about him in his car and and so, uh, they took it

to MTV. They bought ten episodes, uh, and they put us on at like eleven o'clock at night. The show came on and then it just took off out of the atmosphere and then we ended up being part of Light next to the Aston Kuttrol Show, the Pump Show. They packaged me with Punked and Bam uh and then it became yeah, and so that's when they really like

became like this international account your money right now. It was seven seasons of that that that when they pulled you together with that, that's when you knew your tax bracket got different. No, it did not. It did not, and I'm not gonna get into that because you know,

you know it. It turned out to be, you know, a benefit of on my side anyway, you know what I'm saying, because you like the exposure and the way that I became a household name was it allowed me to go in and start doing films and start doing my own thing outside of what that is. Now. My Ride was the catalyst for all of the car shows that you see now. There was no other car show. It was like, I don't think the speech chatnel had even existed when we first came, so um, it was.

It was a lot that was going on with that show. It first it started, like really, what people miss about piping My Ride is that it wasn't about me. It wasn't about the car. It wasn't even about the kid. That's about wish fulfillment. It was about somebody wish fulfillment, you know, like like people at home thinking that this could happen to me, you know what I'm saying, And so all right, and so people you don't like Jerry Speaker was the opposite, like this is also this can happen.

Everybody has said, you know, if you don't have a lot of money. Everybody has a shitty car. Everybody wishes they could make it look better. I don't have enough to get a new one, but I like what I have.

And so, you know, once it got away from that and turned into okay, hold this bright can and look this way and then put the videos, you know, games up all the thing, I was like, where it's all these checks going, you know, and then they hand me my little my little fee for hosting, you know what I'm saying, And it was like, yo, man, alright, cool, so um, let me finish my thing. Because I'm a man of my word. Always complete what I what I started,

you know what I'm saying. I always fulfill my going tracks. And so once it was done, it was done, you know what I'm saying. So um, I ended up going and doing films and and and really like focusing on my ship and that when I first did paid my ride, I was kind of like nobody was talking to me, like my peers and hip hop weren't didn't have an opinion at the time, you know what I'm saying. Like because because because as you said, this is something that

didn't exist before. So CATS was sitting back looking like, what is this nag doing what I'm saying? It's just gonna you know, so you can't high five unless you know you're gonna win and you know what I'm saying. And so, um, I felt like the show was taken away my credibility of what I've had already done, you know. And so because people, you know, I was I was used to having cats like us walking up to me like, hey man, you know what I'm saying, my nigga, you

know what I'm saying. But now I got soccer moms, and I sat, K, do you hear my records and what I'm talking about? And so and so then it was kind of like a tough thing for me because it would taking so much time. I wasn't able to tour, I wasn't able to record albums. I was you know, I was there film and film and film and filming. So I didn't have time to put out how how roughly like one season, how many weeks would it take? I We'll see, that's the thing. Um, it would be

it's usually thirteen episodes in this perpien. But then somewhere in the contract and the fine print, it's like Oh, we're gonna do season. I'm saying thirteen, B and C, and like, hey, hold on you extending the season is what I was up in my ship, you know what I'm saying. And so it was kind of like that's the game that the Tug Award that was happening up

until they couldn't. So, like I hear most people would love a hip hop and they'll say, you know what, Um, I didn't make a lot of money, but I got the exposure and the exposure was worth it. Is that something that you you kind of relate to. That's what I say to make myself sleep better at night. But no, all jokes aside. Man, you know I love what my

right I did. Dude, I can go around the fucking world and people recognize if they don't know me from my music, if they don't know me from my uh from my UM for my acting or whatever, then they know me from that. And I'll take you the one because as I'm matured, I figured out that that cue raining is what's gonna dictate what you can and can't do, because if you're putting assids in the seats, people recognize you face recognition, then you can work in this industry,

you know, let space some louist for that guy. So what did it? Did it during the season of filment of Pepper? I'm so sorry, dude. Was it ever not being fun when like before you you knew about the business part of you. No, I mean, even even when the business was, was you know, not exciting? Um, I think the only thing that because I mean people always say you did some funked up ship to that car and Pip my ride or whatever it was, or people you know, like that the wild Ship. But I didn't

do ship to the car. You know what I'm saying that I was, I was, I was in the beginning and at the end, you know what I'm saying. I never fixed that right, right, But but I was the face of the show. So so that ended up being all of my ship, you know what I'm saying, all

of it, you know. But you know, there was this thing that that happened that kind of you know, if you remember, there was there was a switch of garages, you know, from West Coast Customs and it went over to a different garage, you know, And there was an instance where I bring that up because I was the face of the show. So one of the cars wasn't

fixed correctly. And long story short, this kid was driving this vehicle I was supposed to be like damn their brand new and the steeringwell came off when he was you know, driving and ship he put it on the break and the ship swore to the side. He was able to get out of traffic. Right. So imagine if that ship would have killed him. You know what I'm saying, would be the face of that too, you know, So be careful what you ally yourself with and what you

you know it. You know, it may be huge, it may be great, but at the same time, you gotta be be careful of of of who you are, what you represent to that brand. How many other shows have tried to came at you and uh to replicate everybody every time and everybody you know, and then and then and then. The thing is is everybody wants to pitch these ideas, and everybody wants to, you know, um uh talk about this new It's not like painting my ride, but it's you're gonna be with the car. But but

I mean it's like, wanta do we we? We had lightning in the bottle. It was great. I'm glad we were the first, and I'm gonna leave it there. Man, you don't you don't go backwards. You are you ever gonna do it reality TV again? At this point, I'm gonna say no, Yeah, it wasn't because of the experience was bad or because it's just no. I just enjoyed doing scripted better. You know. I enjoyed being on the sets. I enjoyed learning. I'm starting to enjoy directing as well.

You know. So I started doing, um, my own stuff, you know what I'm saying. I started directing my own films and my own shorts, and we were very proud of what'll be done. Let's make some nooy of that. Because I googled that, I got two different things right there. One set you born in Detroit, yes, and another said he was born in New Mexico. Yes, but you're born I know what it says on the internet, but let me let me cli. I was born in Detroit, Michigan,

in September eighteenth, ninety four. Yeah. So, um, my mother passed away when I was nine, and my dad got remarried. Uh and his wife wanted to live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So at nine, ten years old, I moved out there with my new family. Um, and then after I did like I did, I did, I did seven years. It felt like jail, but I was in said, I was in there for seven years in Albuquerque, and then I

went to California. So there's a lot of people because I went to high school in Albuquerque or all of the high schools that got successfully kicked out of all of motherfucker's. But I went to Albuquerque. Um, like all the high schools got you know, in a bunch of trouble, had a lot of you know difficulty out there. I was angry that my mother had died. I was, you know, I was, I was, I was, you know, in this forcing this new family. My dad got made married like

maybe two three months after my mom passed away. Uh and uh. And I just was in a really tough spot. And so when I went to California, I ended up, you know, going by myself. At seventeen. Absolutely I was selling crack. So I was serving and out there and it's a small town and you know, we was, you know, fifteen sixteen driving around and go BMW would go Daton's and you know, like it's like the cops knew exactly who we were. It's only five black people there at

the time, so it was crazy. And so you know, there were some things. You know, there was a murder that happened. There was a whole bunch of ship in the street, and I was like, you know, um, I told my dad that at the time resident you know, my dad just passed away as well, you know, so uh I told my dad. I was like, if I don't get out of here, then I'm gonna die. So you know, I'm gonna go to California and see what I can do with this music. Um. And at the time I was, I was rapping, but it was kind

of like it's it's like a hobby. I would I would go to like Ku and them and go wrapping a little the only rapp show they had, and it was like on the university campus. I was wrapping under Exhibit eight. And so I left the seventeen, went to California and ended up you know, just meeting up with three sixty, which was a production crew James Broadway, and then I got with King T. He introduced me to the alcoholics and so on. The yeah, like that that's how it was formed and and and um, so what

made you start rapping? Because I loved it. Man. You know, my parents were very religious. They never let me listen to hip hop. UM, so I had to get it where I could. I used to, you know, have a little Sony Walkman that I scavengered up, and when I went to school, I would get tapes from my homies and I would listen to it there. Then I started taking it home and then they found the ship broke the ship every time they found some ship from hip hop, tape, CDs,

anything ship, the early influences. But I bought everything. I bought everything from DJ Magic Mike, from from Miami. Yeah, the bass music. I listened to the Two Live Crew I listened to I listened to UM. I listened to rock Him, Big Daddy Came, I listened to UM, just Ice, I listened to All I Got. I remember listening to the Tommy Boy. Um. What do you think that that? That that first tape they came out with with the guys breaking on the front. Oh, I remember. I mean

I listened to everything. I wasn't reaching a lo at the time because I just loved it. But I felt when I've got my hands on the d O C H C D. Yeah, the DC is my favorite rapper period. Yeah yeah yeah, so um, you know I started listening to like that and then when they found them, they would just confiscate or break everything, and so I ended up writing my own brahms, my own brahms and yeah yeah, so you know what I'm saying, well I am um

yeah yeah yeah. Before all those cash, we used to all be in this club called Unity and so we that was where like the rappers were coming from. The project Blow was like another style of another side that was doing the same thing, you know, coming up, and so there was like this real, like real live, vibrant underground hip hop scene in Los Angeles. And so um, once Snoop went from Death Row over to UM Masterpiece like the No Limit, Um, you know, we had had interaction.

I was cool with Snoop UM and he called me and he was like, yo, you know we we're working on this album. I want you to come get down. I think Dr dra gonna do to be Is it cool if you call you? It's like yeah, it's not please and so so um, as you said, it came yeah yeah. So so then UM, a couple of minutes later Drake called me. He telled me, you know, he had echo sound you want to come through you know

see what you got. I think, I just I think the phone was still in the air, and when I was already out the door, I was already moving, and so I ended up going to the studio. Uh. It took me about fifteen minutes to write that, and then um, I laid it and then I shook his hand and I thank you for the opportunity. I didn't ask for the who I should sit in the invoice too. I didn't ask, you know what the publisher. And this year, I didn't ask what the split. I didn't give fun

Thank you Dr Dre. I appreciate it. Yeah, he said it was for top Dog. Yeah for for for Snoop's album. Thank you for the opportunity. Boom. Uh. Like a week later, you know, a couple of weeks later, Snoop called meies like a nephew. You know, we're using that as a single. But I was like, my life is about to change, ensure enough from you know, from that that was like, you know, you know, as an underground cat, you know, being on MTV, you know, and and and being pushed

across that platform at the time, it's huge. There was no you know, online ship that could really like pump it to where it was. It was like the video shows and the DJs were making this work. And so that was my first time really on that type of you know, top ten, top billboard, you know, all kinds of ship. And then Dre started being you know, interested in what I was doing, and so I never once asked Dr Dre to pay me for anything that we did together because I was already on Loud, I was

already on Columbia. You know, it's like they should be paying you, you know what I'm saying. And so, um, then that opportunity led to uh me being they being invited to be on his record, you know, and then um, what was this in the first one that you're working on with him? Um that was the Chronic two thousand one. Yeah, uh and so every yeah yeah. So so you know he called me in to be you know, on the on the two thousand one, and then we ended up going on the Up and Smoke Tour and that that

was it. Man, it was like it went up another level, you know, and man, that was that was a very pivotal point in my career and um, oh, how was it just being around that just the environment, because, like you said, you went on the tour. It was fucking crazy, man, crazy, this is this is this is hip hop and roll.

This is like okay, dude. I went from looking at these guys and reading their reading the credits on their their projects to being in the studio and on tour buses and behind you know, stages and you know, in prayer circles and getting ready to go hit the stage and you know, like these this was a real like dream come true for me. It was crazy. It was that the upper spoke to. Yeah, it was crazy. It

was crazy, dude. It was like the people that showed up to that tour, um, they saw a piece of history that I don't know it's ever gonna be repeated. You know. To have that many stars at that at that time on one bill and have no hiccups and get to it all forty forty shows and and and then get back and and really become friends and family and then continue on. That was incredible. Man. You know, I definitely cut my teeth on that tour. I had

been on tours before, but nothing like that. You know. Now, one of fifties famous records. He said, spoken all that, did you do you think fifthy was gonna be as big as fifty years. I remember Eminem playing before a show. He called me in the room and he played kill Me. He played, he played fifties music, and it was like, I think I'm gonna sign him. Yeah, California, No, he was, I think he was. He was on the road. He was, actually he was on up a smoke. Remember what he

played you was one of the mix tapes. I think it was a mixtape. Yeah, it was the one where it's kind of the black and white cover and he has the he got the hat on the bulletproof vest. Well, he always has on the bulletproof but I think it was like one of his first, first first joints. And then I listened to it, I was like, oh, ship should be crazy because you can hear it in the music and now um at the music. I was amazed.

But to see what he's done with not only his TV prey is uh and his production and it's just business. His his business and branding is and his trolling is right up there. That's part of the marketing services. But I'm not surprised that fifty is as big as he is. You know what I'm saying, Are you in the studio when he quoted that, he just he just shot me out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

I think. I think Tracy, Tracy over at the Shady Camp actually is the first one that told me and he did it and I was like what and then you know, it's like they called me to the video and history. Let's make a look. Is this is this a type of ball time? I think it's this is this is a part of the show. It's a little weird, it's a little a great because we gotta listen. We celebrate your life, appreciate, thank you. Let me just tell you something. This is what I hate in the game.

So many people want to celebrate you. If you're gone, you know, let's not go on what or something happened to you. People say how Greek this guy he is? And why I can't say that to you right now? Absolutely wise. And let's what I say our culture. And when I say our culture, I don't want it to be racial because it's not just black. And you know, I'm talking about our culture period, like m she searched he's white and we should be praising him he's got what we should be great, and I want to keep

continuing to do that. Like I want our culture meeting hip hop. Let's let's let's pig each other up. For for instance, it's it's we've been through all of that. You know, heard this guy, heard this ship, We've done that already that let's go forward. Yeah, let's move forward. And I I, for one, I've seen I've seen your career. I've seen what was the album dropping ninety eight? Uh, there was at the Speed of Life in the forty days forty nights, and you know I dropped in like that.

So I understand, you know, you know I see and and and it should be celebrated. You know what I'm saying, Like hip hop were superheroes about. You know, I'm saying some of us don't wear a cake, some of us do that. Not a kid, yea, heroes don't wear a cap. You know what I'm saying. What the fund is this? Yea? Looking to the What the fucking I see you're trying to slide this it on me? Right? Any of those it's called tag it's a drink Champions edition. Alright, sal

ain't that bad? I think he's gonna say that it's the list, right. So on the Upper Sloop Tour, that's a certain part where you just take a bottle. You used to do for real, man, I used to do a lot of ships that you said, you that probably

part of you say. I used to do a lot of ship that you know, it's not you know, good for me, And so I had to h really evaluate what was happening and kind of like, you know, I don't know if it's called getting old and maturing or whatever you want to call it, but I look at other people and I don't have to learn, you know,

by doing the same thing. I can look at somebody and know like, oh I don't want to do that what I'm saying, or man, that didn't paying out the way they thought it was, and take that and use it in my my my navigation. So you know, I feel good about, you know, what I've done. I mean, have no regrets what I've done in hip hop. But I don't do none of that ship like I used to.

You know, I'm running. I'm running, I'm running businesses, family, you know, I have things that are that are very very important to me, and so I know what that feels like, I know what it feels like to have unlimited alcohol. I know what it feels like to be able to roll pounds of weed all day every day. I know what that feels like. But I've never had a billion dollars, you know what I'm saying. I've never had hundreds of millions of dollars um. Not that, not

that even material is the is the goal. It's like, how hard can I push my success? How hard can I get to where I want to go so I can turn around to help the people I want to help instead of seeing everybody get help, you know, and and and and pull their other homeboys out and be able to laugh at the cats that that ain't in their click. I want to take care of my people the same way, you know. So that's what that's what motivates me to become more and to not listen to

the people that have negative ships to say. But have you know that I take care of people that that that want to be in my circle, you know, And that's easier than dealing with people that ain't and ever gonna be convinced, you know? Now? You know what I always say, I say old when you celebrate it and not tolerate. Yeah exactly. Hell yeah, this is where people want wanted you to be there. Like a lot of us, we be we want to be accepted in places we

shouldn't even care. Yeah yeah, I don't care, because it may be it may be some light over there that you think somebody else is getting in. You admire the sparkly ship or whatever. But oh man, the people that I've expected to be in my corner and be part of my success never were. It was the people that you know, we're sitting there with me when it wasn't glamorous, and then you can see the excitement when something happened for me, even if it wasn't that big, if if

it was just something like they was genuine. You know what I'm saying that. So that's where I'm at with it. Man. I I used to want to be I want to be accepted. I want to be fitting. I want to I want to be around these guys. I want to be in this circle. I don't give a funk about that ship. You know what I'm saying, because it means nothing because even when you get there, you find out that the niggas don't like each other either. Know, it's

like the side. I thought you guys were teamed, but they don't work like that, you know, and so you better off making the people. That's what you now, the people, that's what you then, you know? Do you just wait? Hold on? Sorry? Do you still wrote with the producer that did Paparazzi DJ at one point? No? They they I did the track for proper Rozzi. He's l a producer. UM, I see him, but we haven't done any music together. Do you remember the first time you came to Miami,

or at least the first time? I thinking listen, he remembers. I don't remember the first time, probably going through a lot, but what happened here? He can't he can't to win with. Actually, before when it was popping, it was the hood it was hood Stock. Paparazzi was out just release. Yes, and we saw you, my crew saw you, and we recognize you and you were just hyped to be recognized because you just had a vinyl single years out like that. And then you said I need to be in Winwood

at this spot called hood Stock. We were in the beach. It was how can I be down? Yes? Uh? And you told me to do that was with you was either DJ or the producer of Paparazzi, and I said, yeah, I'll take you, Okay, I don't know, let's go at my pathfinder and you didn't want. We didn't have room because I had my crew be path find my thing too. And then so this boy wouldn't sit in the back of the trunk because we wasn't my crew. We you know, we in our seats already. But he said, I'll jump

in the luggage area, no problem. And I just remember him with he had an Echo canteen with jin and juice in it. And we passed up. We pulled up, we pulled up to the hood stock. We got to the wrong area. So it's just a fence. We just echo to Mark Echo Yeah. And MLP was performing on stage with Heather be And then we start climbing because there was no way to get into it. We start climbing a fence. I don't know none of this. I'm that kick at this point and were locally people They're like,

you know, that's crazy. Climbers and existed went on. There was some chaos on the show. I just said, just a crazy man. Damn the can about to bring it up and what the fun he was wading out. I'm telling you, man, like I'm saying man, we had a lot of fun. Man, we had a lot of fun with that. We we did not let off the gas whatsoever, you know, and we have fun with it. Man. But I think, you know, me looking back at that time and seeing I did exactly what the funk I was

supposed to do. I was young, I was a teenager. I was you know, I had a record out. You know, I had come from the most shittiest ship show you can think of, and I was having fun, man, And I just think I'm just thankful for the experience. I've had a thankful you know, for people that that but understand me and and have those members can remember that ship for me because God knows. But I'm glad. Man. It's like, you know, we didn't have social media back then.

Like now you can turn on your cell phone and you can record the memories that you know it's gonna mean something other people are gonna see it. But we have that up here. Man. It's like we got pictures here and there of moments, but that that time, that energy, I don't know, man, it feels really special to me. Special, special now two thousand Dr Dre exactly produced album. Now other people get a beat from Dr Dre, you might

get a purse something. I'm an athlete, not when people get saying right right, and not not on interscope or aftermath. If you're not on after math, you did this on loud. How did you do you had no actually actually, actually that question takes us back to the top of the conversation. After we had did what you see is what you get. Louds say go back and make another album. They didn't want to film another video, and bitch, please hadn't come out yet. Um, and oh no, it had come out,

and that's why I got so mad. Okay, so I got extremely pissed, and so Steve Rifkin was, you know, saying, you know, yeah it was good, but now imagine if you come out with more music. I was like, you didn't even promote the music that we just put out. So, um, I got pissed, and I just left on tour and I didn't want to do an album. I just refused to budget. And so Steve Ripkin shout out Steve Ripke, and I love you, man, but I'm just telling the truth,

you know, Steve you know. Uh, Steve tried to show up to the first Up and Smoke show and was turned away at the gate because uh they were and they asked me, and I felt like, why should you be able to benefit off something that you had nothing to do with? This relationship that I built with Dr Dre and Snoop and all these guys is on my accord. And so then it was like, UM, you know, okay, so I'm just gonna go. And even though it would be so opportune for me to record an album, you

know what I'm saying. I know you you're not gonna do right by it, you know, So I just went and started working. Everybody thought it was on Aftermath. Everybody thought I was on Interscope. Uh. And so then, um, ray knew what I was going through, you know. Uh,

but that's about it. And so afterwards, um uh at the end of the like halfway midway through the tour, Dre and Um and Jimmy called Steve in and asked, Okay, so we love exhibit, we love what's going on with his career, and we love you know, working with him. We know you know you you brought him to this point. How can we get him over here with us to

you know, be with us. And Steve said he wrote a number on a piece of paper that Jimmy Ivan was like really, so it kind of combossed it and I was I was I felt like Steve was trying to fuck my ship up, you know what I'm saying. Like, and I was like, yo, man, um, then he's like you like my son. You know I started with you, We're gonna do this thing together. I was like, bro, you don't even want to film a video where we had the number one ship across all I hop, like,

what are you talking about? So I was at odds with the label and so um. Then when we finished the tour, uh, he was like, let's go do a record, Let's do this whatever. I was like, yeah, Steve's like doing what. I was like, Um, I'm only gonna do it if you take care of Dr Dre and Dr Dre was like, you're gonna pay me this and then we're gonna do this, you know what I'm saying. And then we're gonna we're gonna get it done. You know.

But I don't want this money to come from exist, but I wanted to come from you, said Jesus, and that's why the record is ours. You know, Dre. Dre has always been one hundred thousand percent with me, and I will never say anything derogatory or negative about him. I will always be by his side. I was always bride with him. You know what I'm saying, that's that's my nigger. He's my friend. You know what I'm saying,

He's my mentor. He made. He made a lot of things happen in my career that I never thought would happen. So you know, and and and we still to this day. You know what I'm saying, have a report that you know, we can sit in the room and topic just like this. You know, I'm some real ship and all you involved with the pharmacy? Is that true? Right now? We're in

a hiatus. I think everybody has other stuff to do. Um. I think the I think the Anderson Pack program, and you know what I'm saying, it's definitely doing what it has to do. Congratulations to Andy. You know he over there, he killed it him in Noble Yeah. I love his I love his new record. Uh and and so that's what they're doing. Beach One is still going strong, shout and saying low. Uh, you know Eddie and and and

Johnny all the people over there at the pharmacy. So right now, if they bring it back on the air, you know, I'm gonna be right there. Okay, man, So what what what? What? What? What was it wrong? I produced the whole shows, they said, was the executive. God. Now I'm so, um, let me ask you, so, let's get let's go into California for a little bit. Because if you're in New York, you gotta be involved with uh, you know, you gotta be like a five center. You're

gonna be a Muslim. You know what I'm saying. Nowadays, you gotta be a blood or crypt at all started from California gang rules, you know, um, which is crazy because it's like, you know, hip hop, Like we gave y'all hip hop, and y'all gave us gang culture. Now now it's real gang cloking, Like it's actually places where you go and you could actually tell that this is all all blood section and this is all a crypt section from the same thing that I used to go

to your neighborhood. You see, it wasn't there before. I'm not not in New York, not in New York, not in New York. So what what what? What? What do you think about that? Like, what's your opinion? I think, how gang good? You just explode everywhere. I think, you know, the dynamics of game banging in Los Angeles are very complex. Um. I came in when I was a teenager. Um, I hang around a lot of crips. You know what I'm saying. I have a lot of blood friends, but mostly I

hang out with a lot of crips. And um, I see how I go outfit like you. But I don't think you ever had a red outfit, you know, I mean, but I mean no, no, you good? Yeah, but you know I never, I never, you know, claimed the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying. I hung out with a lot of cats and Venice Venice Shoreline is you know,

That's why I was hanging out. But you know, coming from where I was coming from and being around that because I was there was there was crips that will come to Albuquerque to get weight, you know what I'm saying, from California because it's right there next to the border, right and so I would be able to come to l A and already having affiliation with people that I met doing that, and so that's when I got to l A. I was you know, I was embraced by

these cats and you know, they had an apartment and then you know, I ended up you know, that's where I met my my first son's mother, you know what I'm saying, and so um, from there it was it was like I wanted to be all in. It was like, nah, you're going to do this music ship because you're good at it. So you can't say no way with us. You can't run no missions with us. You can't do all that ship and then show me what you wrote today,

you know what I'm saying. And so that's kind of like how I viewed it, and that's how I saw it, and that's my my my view of where it was now. When it started traveling, there were no bloods and crypts in New York. When first one to New York, there were no neighborhoods like that. There wasn't no niggas that even knew. They thought it was silly. They usually get mad at us, even on records, like I remember, like, you know, it was like a thing to work about.

How whack the West Coast niggas was for cursing and gang banging and black black sheet, Black Sheet, listen to black Sheet. What I'm saying that they had like the skit where it's like a real like fucking gang bang in his wag calling bitches and the bitches is whack. They could have meant that about New York because remember we had zood re lation in New York. It probably wasn't as powerful as Bloods and crypt but it was considered the gang we have five, so it was more

about that West Coast. Let me just just say that, No, I understood, understood. Now, I'm not taking the skit. That's what I'm saying, Like, I'm just saying that he's talking about that origin. He talk about the origins too bread. I'm just gonna shut up. No. But but but then you know, then when it first started, I gotta admit, man, it just like you gotta be kidding me. You can't. Yeah, you can't have bloods and cribs in New York. It's

just not supposed to happen. Ain't supposed to happen. But then as you know, because it's not, that's like saying,

you know, I know, I know, but befollow me. So in that world, as that world operates, it's casts coming from l A to New York and they're going into the jail system and they and they and they surround it and they and they spread the world, and the word gets spread, and now it's neighborhoods in New York because who's to tell this kid from brook that went to jail and bang the ship in jail that he can't come outside and do it even though he never

stepped foot in Los Angeles, and except that he's actually claiming right like hell, at this point, it would be a great nut crip in New York. You said great nun like grape streets, great grape streets. You said a great grape nut. What I mean, like a great great street. You know what I'm saying. So if a person bang Grape Street and his phone, uh Harlem, it's kind of crazy because he's that's not where they're from. The fall Sometimes sometimes they sometimes sometimes it is because they followed

the O G set, you understand. So they'll say, so, I don't know how it works, like do to put them on? And you know, I'm just saying, let's suppose, yeah, the guy who put them on it's from a certain set and that's set, it's from California. They'll they'll claim

that set and still being on. I don't know, I don't know how the transfer program works, but your games except accept absolutely and and why wouldn't they, but you know, and some guys who was like, you know that, ain't that ain't real game banging because you know, you look at the way the the Kachi Kid was represented, you know, it offended a lot of real you know that moves back at the crib and the fact that there was no i mean yeah, paying homage to to what it

really represented because it's casted you know that they really died for that ship, you know, and yeah yeah yeah, and so so to make a mockery of it and become like it's a it's you know, it's it's it's not tell you that. Yeah yeah, yeah, who hate on? I ain't talking about you know, that's just the example that you look at y G and you look at how you don't even get kids reputable, you know what

I'm saying, and you really bang that. So I'm never I'm sorry, like to change it up a little bit, but I've never seen someone wreck their selves in front of like the audience like that, Yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean? But like what what what? What? What happened with six nine? Like what happened with him?

Like it was one plenty of times everyone, you have fifteen examples of when you do it like this, this is exactly where it leads to, and he paid attention to none of that, like what Joe told him, This is exactly what No. But I think that's I think it's different. I think we've had tragedy and hip hop before.

I think we've seen like like like like like super super fucked up ship that's happened in hip pop. But I think what's different about him is that we live in this time where everything is recorded, everything is Yeah, it's like he filmed himself into the thing. And that's the dangerous part. It's like everything ain't supposed to be, you know, displayed to the public, especially if you live in in that world. And I think that we're living in the age now where all of that is out

the window. I mean, you see somebody struggling, you know. And the new footage, the new footage TMZ TMZ is the worst, by the way, I like Harvey a little bit, but the ship that he just put out. Listen, they had some balance of six nine filming his friend filming somebody robbing the ship, and then they had someone filming him. Yeah, and then they just put it out and they just and how does the FBI not say, oh, I'm gotta use this in all investigations it Why is it no

one saying TMZ is the snitch. No one says that. No one says TMZ is the actual rat m. They don't want to outgate. They're grabbing these funny said, they're throwing these people out there. And no, no one plays TMZ for nothing because why there their civilians. I don't think you're civilian. If you're digging into game ship, you should be accountant, just like a game. Oh I went to no one, I'm saying this is keeping real. TMZ is the new fat, TIMS is a new fat people

rather go to TMZ and get paid from TMZ. How didn't name anonymous like you think you can paying for that? Funny to say, Oh, I mean TMZ, I'm assuming they're paying you. It's just bad new seals with them. Do they have a footage of two people shooting at the back of au and the cameras movement and the cameras moving. Yeah, it's not a stationary camera. The cameras following the ship. You know what's going on? I don't know, but I think they're just recording some wild ship and just so

happy to beat them. You know what I'm saying. You ever thought that, well, we'll be our own paparazzi, because that's that's essentially what's happening right now. People, people not even being followed. Yeah, you're setting out your own dumb foot this to yourself. Yeah, and then out and they say they snihing you sent this ship the world so exactly right. No, I think that we come from an age where, remember, it wasn't cool to do commercials. It

wasn't cool to be associated with a brand. It was like you were selling out, you're selling you was selling out. You're selling out you you know. But then we'll take this Saint Odds commercially and they left them back again. Yeah, first I think, but it was it was you know, it wasn't cool back then. But now fast forward, you know, every all said, everybody talks about is being a brand. I want to be on some screen time and what it is, you know what I'm saying, so so so

it's just wild to see how things change. I think there's a negative in the positive that comes with that. I think that we um have the opportunity to cut out the middleman and we are able to create our own revenue streams. But on the side, the negative side, I think that some of us aren't ready to be on camera yet because it brings out the worst and the most ugliest side of us that are sometimes portrayed, and then it becomes more fuel to the fire for

the people that hate us. But this like like like want to be instant famous, everybody you want to be famous? First, wasn't Super had oh oh ship and he took it somewhere else. I'm sorry I keep music keeping. I'm just saying because because it's Super No, I'm just saying no, no, I don't have no beef. I don't think I've ever met her. To tell the truth, people think that's not me. That was Jada kiss line, super bad, super bad, It's not my line. Thanks for clearing up. Definitely needed to

clear her life. But but what I'm saying is she became famous for you know, a certainty, but people didn't know you know what I'm saying, And then it's all these other people who But she said that before social media though, Yeah, but that tripled down to it. That actually made that's a part of it. That's what I'm gonna say. It's like my dog Hecklers, He's said the line. He's like, there's no more fans of the music anymore because the fans themselves are starting out because of social media.

They themselves believe the artists. They want the views and clicks, right, So why I ain't gonna be your fan? Now they're your peer? Yeah, exactly, So everybody's star exactly. You just happened to be a little further follows yea, yeah exact. Yeah. Yeah, Like everybody has their own goal, like like like your goal might be you know what, we get two hundred

likes today, and I'm the man. You win up. You get two hundred likes like they ain't got You're going outside, you getting you know what I mean, your little over brand. You're like, yo, my dude. They be like, yeah, anything good, I got my two hunds. Yeah, and now that's get sense of accomplishment. And now that's why the music business is taking me because no one wants to buy you. Right, you can buy my own. You're like, damn, everybody wants to be the dealer. Who is the clients? It's not music,

it's just content. Now it's just stream trolley. There's the crazy ship going on, like Charlie met when we went to Philly. Charlie met some chick in the street and she looked at how many followers he had to see if she wanted to talk to him. Charlie, but that's all wait a minute, story again, said he's trying to use social media to connect, Like, yo, let's exchange whatever. What's your I G B? Because I understand now that's people to say what it was. There was no phone number.

He wanted to do the face the Facebook of the Instagram. And then she looked at his father like cool, like that, whoa wut? She had more followers, asking how many followers? They asked how many followers you got? I was the first time I've seen that, but I can imagine it makes sense to me. I'm like about the game, man.

I feel sorry for the new generation. Man, it's terrible. Sorry, So you know you haven't been you haven't been disgusted about the hip hop game to do him up, you know, whatever point you want to you know what I'm talking about the new hip hop be political about. I wouldn't say disgusted. Man, I just don't listen to it, you know what I'm saying, Like at the point that I am, when I go digging and looking through hip hop right now, you know, I find myself kind of like I don't

understand where they're going. I just want to be I want to be brought up to speed when they get there. You know what I'm saying, Like like I want to see the best come out of this, you know. And so because I love hip hop. You know, there's been the dirt ship when we were you known first coming out too, and so now it's kind of like there's so much of it. I think of the hip hop

hip hop, there's there's more. Like you said, we're just talking about bouncing off everybody being an artist now, everybody with a laptop in the phone right now, I can put some content out. So I the ship that pops, like, I'll wait for that and then I look at it and I'll be like, I wonder why they like that? You know what I'm saying, like, okay, well, let me see. I try to find an upside in it. And when I can't find the upside, then I just put it down.

You know. I listened to a lot of satellite radio. I listened to I try not to stay um like stagnant. I want to be, you know, up to day to figure out what's going on, like Blue Face and listen to that. And then I listened to Then I listened to like Jie Parrico. Then I listened to you know, like I listened to everything that's kind of like what everybody is looking at. I'll peek at it and see if they if they there yet, you know what I'm saying. But then I look at you know, lyricists, and I'll

look you know. I listened to static, you know what I'm saying. It's Graham, Jones and Cats, and see what they on. And then I, you know, because the l A. D J's, you know, um, you know, the big radio station, they just kind of play the static. They play that on safety. They'd be in the que club or the White Boy could yeah, yeah, because they bring back the Baker Boys of the radio in l A. Man, I can't I wish Man, I wish man. I mean it's it's it's different cats out there that's trying to push

the culture. Man. But you know, I think, Um, I feel like, you know, I'm still looking for I'm a lyricist. I love I love that about hip hop. I love when I can see a picture or feel a vibe or know what somebody is at and not even be there because of what they're saying. You know, I like being taken on a journey, you know, so, um, if that don't happen, then I'm not attracted to it. You

know what I'm said. I get it. I understand, like, you know, there's a trapp and then there's you know, there's people like that vibe, and then there's people that just like the beat and don't give a funk about the lyrics, all of these different aspects, and then that was it's wrapped song categories in the Grammys. You know what I'm saying, Because that's the thing. So it's like

I see it evolving. I'm just waiting until he gets to it is better stay God, damn, let's pretty crook it eye deserves look like because we call you crooked Eye, and I know you changed. The kid crooked, can't crook it. Yeah, that's it. That doesn't matter to you. Now let me ask you. Now I'm looking at you. Spoken us a god, a guy from l A spoke us of guards always think. So I think on one thing and I need to ask both of guys, two kids of the West Coast.

Did should make the West Coast better? L A beller All. I mean, it depends on how you look at it, you know what I'm saying, Like he definitely put on for this for the coast. You know, he was well established West Coast label that's going down in history. So if you feel like that's something, then that's positive. You know what I'm saying. He brought a lot of bloods and crips together, you know what I mean he did.

You know, he did a lot of good things to you know what I'm saying, Like he would rebuild nurseries that burned down, or you know, every every year he had a Mother's Day feast and Beverly Hills where he go to the hood and pick up all the mothers, you know what I mean, and taking the Beverly Hills buying something nice to eat, and you know kids that

haven't seen their father's you know what I mean. Incarcerated, he would charter busses on Father's Day and send the kids out to go see their pomps and all that. Like he did a lot of things, man. But as far as for hip hop, I just think I would I'd like to judge somebody about how they treat me. And when I was on death row, I was treated with treating. Will you know what I'm saying? I was treated well. So I ain't got nothing about to say. That's real, that's real. Um, you have you have a thought?

Uh all the West Coast b where it's at right now? Like you know, we got we got game out there, we got the forty, we got you two guys never see um you thought you thought the West Coasts were maintained as as you know what I'm saying, because West Coast is his own planet exactly. You know, it's like, you know a good thing about y'all you can go can go just the l A. Yeah, I'm but no, No, it's not even about record sales. It's about the status

and the respect that people have for each other. And and because you said it's game culture, I mean when you got legendary ship. You still people that that recognize and love Rodeo and Joe Cooley. You know what I'm saying. There's like once you hit that status, like we have concerts in l A where you see rappers that you know maybe been on you know, like recently, and then you got casts that can come back from as far as twenty years ago and still have the same crowd.

To me, but it's like it's like people respect that and you put off for the W And that's what it's about, because the rest of the world ain't really putting on for the W. We got pockets and support. But I mean when when when and when everybody loved the West Coast? Everybody loved the West Coast, but then it moved and went to the south. From when it

goes back in, it moves around, you know what I'm saying. So, but on the West, I mean, we always celebrate the West, you know, but I expect that now do you think Joe Button's will be where he was at? If? Like, I mean, did you ever see this coming? Like because because didn't it wasn't you and joe y'all got cool because you're sparring lyrically like a little bit. I mean, me and Joe, Um, we was as sparring him and Royce was sparring, you know what I'm saying. And Royce

was sparring back and forth. You know what I'm saying. Joe hit this kid. Nino blessed and asked him if I could turn the record around for him in like twenty four hours. So you know, Nino was like, yeah, you know, so he sent me the record I got on the record. The record was called Slarterhouse and that's the how you know slarter House started. Um, you know, produced by my man back here. You know, you know I scream, you know it's partly your fault too, man,

Snarterhouse Man, I didn't know that's real. But yeah, yeah, did I know that he would be where he is as far as media, Joe, Yeah, I see you. I'll teach you to all fitters. Let me tell you the way I'm gone with it. I see you do a blog where I don't know if it's called a blog or whatever. I just see your addressing it where you didn't.

You didn't agree with his opinion of eminence, right, And I felt you because sometimes even if that's how you fail, shut the funk up, like like, I'm not saying you know, but I'm saying, like, if you're my brother, and you're my brother, sometimes my opinion of you, even if it's bad, that should be between me and ye direct to the Yeah, you're accurate. I mean, I just felt like his approach was wrong. Like, you know, if you don't like something, yo, it's not for me. I don't like it, you know

what I mean? Cool, that's the homie. You know this ain't for me. But when you say something is trash, you shoot on Paul Rosenberg's rollout, you do you know you're taking it a little further. And then I know the backstory. I know that there were some issues that you felt against the label. You're not giving a fair critique now because now you've got malice behind what you said. It's personal. And then my whole thing was like listen, man,

just keep it abut you know what I mean. And it eventually it came out where He's like, I felt like I was better than them for ten years, this, this and that, and they took me off this record. Eventually, can we address that? I mean, we could address anything. I'm on the Champs. Maybe yes, I like Joe Buttons. I like a muss person, I like a muzzle artists. But I don't know. I don't not show up that statement.

I mean, for he says, he didn't say that. I mean every MC is supposed to feel like they be. So I give you that much space. What you ever saying, you know what I'm saying said, But I now that you said that, I think you got to back it up with more than just a statement, because because m came at you where you at Joe, you said you was better than for the past ten years. He gave you a few bars and you can't say your retirement it's just you gotta all bets are off. Yeah, you

gotta back it up. Now. You just said this, so you know if you don't back it up, I don't think that you even believe that. You know what I'm saying. This is very where is Rory? I was here, hold on my favorite you will come back. I think it's interesting because you know I think I know is that you guys got respect for each other. I think that I think what you said it was like, yo, listen, I don't I don't have to like everything my man does at all, Right, But it's the way of my

approach it. Yeah, yeah, like now and then keep in mind like I'm Sam signed the Drink Champs records, right, I got some much ship, but I'm signed to you guys. I do everything and I'm supposed to do, And you guys do everything you're supposed to do contracts with right, and things don't work out? Say things don't work out, but outside of the contract, I get jammed up on some real life ship. Right, you guys come to my aid like that in a major way. I would never

forget that, all right. I feel like Joe forgot that when he was saying what he was saying. You feel me like, I don't forget solid ship. That's just now how I'm cutting, Like I even remember You probably don't remember when I was young on death Rod came out, Me and Sheil came up to a session you was at though all the soulid Southtrack studiostreet and and you was making sure we was good. You see what I'm saying on that good left? Yeah? I remember, I never

remember solid ship. You feel I never forget solid ship, you know what I mean? So I would think that as long as em and Paul didn't crossing him in a certain kind of way. I would think he would have enough respect to just be like, yo, you know what, I ain't gonna step on the gas on this one like that, you know what I mean, I don't like it. I'm just gonna say that I don't like it. But you know this is when it's just fair, like you know, you can't. You just can't like every game. Let's play,

you know what I'm saying. So, but then it's a it's a difference, you know, I get what you were saying. And although I don't think it hurt even any way shape for fashion, but voice in the opinion, sometimes it can't be hurt. It can't be especially coming from a family member, you know what I'm saying, Like, come on, especially, I don't know how you guys have family strucks. I don't know that if that was the case. But if

that wasn't it definitely affects the smartouse. Yeah, you know, yeah, it definitely did, because me and Royce was behind the scenes working trying to get down out to the people, and you know, that was like a grenade, you know what I'm saying, that he took the pin out and tossed that bitch what happened. Uh, but I'm trying to stuff I'm not, but now that was that that was real?

Because um so in your opinion, right, because I uh I heard he said he felt like that day like M wasn't pushing U slaughter house, like it was something that was missing missing, meaning M had just sold these millionaires a union unit units. You come into you guys project, you guys project doesn't work, and he's kind of I don't want to say he blamed or but he kind

of alluded that MS fast that right. Well, I mean, you know, it's like you guys were talking earlier about the ship and the culture in the way that technology plays a part now on social media. I believe we came in at a time on Shady where M didn't have to do so much ship. He was used to having one formula to make things rock, but that formula was changing with the times. So what M did? He said, Okay,

that first round, that's on me. Y'all go back in and make another album, and I'm gonna just let y'all rock. Do whatever y'all want to do, handle it the way you want to handle it, roll it out how you want to roll it out, just do you. We all

agreed and went back into the lab. That's my problem with If you agreed to go back and record another album and give it another shot, why are we still talking about the second This is the second album on Shad First album was E one Slarterhouse self titled second album, Welcome to Our House on Shady Records. Third album, Glasshouse, that's the one that's the one that never came out. You guys have proved that an indie route was could

be successful, right, correct? Correct? I mean, but we I moved to New York for like a month and a half and we did the whole glass House out there, just us how we wanted to do it. They gave us the ball and then you know what I'm saying, the team broke up. M I thought it was like someone else. I'm a little what is it called? Because

I thought it was like way deeper than that. So you're telling me it's it's like but the way you just simply just said that, Yeah, I mean there's some things with slaughter House, you know that we we need to talk about. But I mean, people, you're gonna have something like I'm not an hold my breath though lyrical bars and and there was a brotherhood and well, I mean, you know I thought it was. I thought it was, and then at times I said, you know what, I

don't think it was. But if one person isn't brotherly, doesn't make it all full brotherly or no, no, no, no, you know, It's just I'm just cut different. Like you know, I got three slaughter house tattoos, you feel me, Like like when it was going down, if if anybody was in trouble, I was there with him. And you know what I mean, I'm just it was just a difference to not to break up. Yeah, but just a different

Just remember how serious it was. But an incident happened in the l A. What you know, two individuals, How personal you took it. How people were saying, man, you know cooking out here, wow because of believe you know, someone's hands got laid on in l A. Yeah. Yeah, and that was personal for you. That was that wasn't in That was very personal because I feel like, if you're on my coach, you should feel comfortable to move around. And I would hope that that's the same way if

I'm in your city. You know what I mean. So I took even though it was two city things, even though because all parties, I know, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, why would you do that? Because I felt like it was a spit in my face? How how is that? Like, let's just say it for them? Because he was talking to cold Joe was a great on They got into some ship l A. It was

on of grounds. Joe kind of he kind of live streamed the whole kind of thing, which was he kind of brought the coroller like the first because I believe, I don't know what happened. And then with brother brolls out here right now, then I'm man, I love her and he was like, you know, I said, ray dog, you know why why on my coach? So you know, we came up there with a football team because the way Joe sounded on the phone, I said, I'd better

bring the whole city. You know what I'm saying. And um, believe it or not, some of my people fell out with me over that because they wanted to ride, well, they wanted to ride, but they fell out with me because they feel like Joe didn't respect them and they and they was ready to go one percent for Joe, so so they felt like he didn't respect that at all, you know what I mean. And I fell out with some of my people that I came out to Sandbox. We behind that, you know what I'm saying. So it

was a horri deal. But you know, luckily, I'm the type of dude that's gonna go to the ogs to Triple O GS and say, Yo, man, should I go? They like, it's your call, and I'm like, yo, man. You know, I got love for my man Ray, you know what I'm saying. I got love for people different

people in the Wouchang, you know what I'm saying. So I was able to go talk to the old g s and they was like, look, man, you might just want to lay low on this one, you know what I mean, because look how your man is acting towards us, you know what I'm saying. So it was just a bunch of crap. But I mean, I'm good with Ray, you know what I'm saying. I'm good rouchange. I speak to him offering Brisoners. My wi is my guy guy,

you know what I'm saying. So I'm just happy that it all turned it something positive, you know what I mean, Because I don't like that low vibration ship and I feel, yeah, only I don't like the way I feel when I feel like we're about to have to do something, you know what I mean? God that ye little. It's just because you know how everybody in saw the house. When I look at it, uh, I feel like you took

it most personal. Hit me out, meaning I felt like, you know, industry, we don't believe in the industry, got the while like I just like, man, this is just what it is. But I feel like you was like somebody like, yo, this is a brotherhood. I'm an hone of that. Let's say that that they didn't know that or anybody out of that. But I just feel like, like me from the outside looking at I don't have no inside information, you know. I'm just looking as a fan. I can be a fan too, and I'm looking like

I knew those those certain situations you took personal. I knew certain situations you you wanted to honor it, you know what I'm saying. And um, I don't know. I don't think it's over. You don't think what's up? Chris? It's a wrap on that. Yeah, damn world the first a minute, but talking about cruise, being that we are dream champs. We got to acknowledge the alcoholics Cruise alcoholics. Such a fan of that movement, the bird us alcoholics. But what what's what's up with there? Is it? Oh man?

As far as keen t ching t is the person that I have the most like he's he lives right around the corner. He lives right down the street from me. So you know, I really, you know, feel good about you know, my relationship with him. I know, you know, j ro Old Tash uh j Rose back in l A. He moved to Sweden for a while. Yea do like the hip hop sc yeah yeah, and then and then uh Tea Tash and Eastwood fur in Vegas. Yeah. But I mean we when we see each other, it's all love.

You know. How the crew get created? Though King t created every was it like collectively? Like all y'all, this is what it is. This is alcoholics and this is the crew, the Lytics. No, King t Uh Actually, um j Row, east Wood and Tash were a group called E s P before they were to Alcoholics, right, Um Tash and Eastwood from Ohio and so when they came through and J Rowe from Pomona. So they all got together and King T was like, yo, y'all need to change E S E S P, which was like, um,

something street poets and you do every day. He's just like, you know, Key was like, no, no, it's you know, it's printing the ie Lympics. No, but Keith T creating is like, Yo, you guys need to call yourself the alcoholics alcoholic. Scott signed to loud and then I think after that I was third. Yeah, I came on second, you know, from after the alcoholics, and then the far right came after me. And it's such an extension of the crew to like yeah people or whatever. Yeah, so

many people. Absolutely, it was it was. It was. It was a family. We all was used to run together. And it was at the first full tank of the West coast of the West Coast. Yeah, um, because the West Coast have another rain, like like you said for like, I mean, you guys have errors from well, how do you say it's not raining right TV? Right now, I'm not that I'm saying a new one, like a brand new one like you're trying to talk about like the like the like what we call like the golden days.

Then when when when death row and motherfucking and and yeah, but a certain generation it is going through a golden name but already got you. I'm saying that another We already got that. So you're saying that's saying something brand new. We got it, just got a little different. It's just gonna look different. It's gonna's and it's we saw that one. So it's not gonna skill the same note, but it's

gonna look different. But it can happen for sure, because like we didn't want the guy with the rainbow head, but he did bring a couple of trophies home and we did claim's like, yeah, broke our trophy. But I think you do you think the face of musical is going to continue to change like that? Yeah, I think our value system of what we used to make. You know, our judgments on hip hop has changed. Well I think, yeah, yeah,

are you're right? Our judgment will change, but their judgment with yes and and our and the goal post has been moved. So you know, we used to be able to judge people's success by plaques. We used to be

able to judge people's success by you know, awards. Um. Now it's kind of like um, like the plaques, aren't people used to people get excited for two hundred thousand records sold and three hundred thousand records, So now you with it the numbers like the numbers that used to be put up on the fun a lot more money. How would excitement over sixty reconsole when I mean, it's like, so are we had to reevaluate what is valuable with

the whole ship, you know what I'm saying. So we can't look at it the way we used to look at it. So that's why people are able to become like suits, like I'm sorry, superstars overnight through the streaming ship and through these other things. But then you gotta look at the longevity of it, you know what I'm saying. Like these guys they turn on and they out a year in the next year, So there's there's the price

to pay for that instant fame. But the one thing that I do get the new generation that is so awesome is they can go directly. Absolutely that's the Yeah, yeah, so are they because a lot of them are you mean to be going direct? And he pulls tribution, Yeah exactly. People like that because he makes these young kids rapping that don't have a label deal or don't have anything. It makes them feel like, well, if he could do

it like that, I could do it like that. And I'm steady trying to tell you he's not doing it like that. There's always a wizard of Odes false product. You know what I'm saying. You give him a false hold, and I'm not gonna lie. It's making the music ship too,

because anybody could make it. Like anybody could literally, like you know, I've seen a tweet the other day, I think I hosted it, and um and I see the tweet and they said, you know, back in the days, we would want to, you know, make a record like rock him and we could have another part of this, he said. But you can't never make it, he said. The thing is nowadays these kids could listen to a record and say, you know what, I make that and

really make that that. That's like we can't do gender juice over can't do that, and like make that ship a class you can new pitch please right now and like making the same ship like right now you can actually do whatever. Wouldn't be thinking whatever these kids are doing, you can actually do it. I got X is a pertect big pharmacy. Oh you heard, he's that you'll give him one thing. At least at least they're peaceful about the ship because I might get shot. You know what

I'm saying. That people used to beat over. You can't just jack somebody style of them bite somebody. You know. Now they just all sound like each other and do the funk sound like a j problem? There's no problem, you know what I'm saying. We came up. It was hands on, hippop hands on. He was so hands on. I forgot, what's your relationship with that? Mad right? Me

and Busino? I think he uh, he says something about Slaughterhouse, and it was at a time where I didn't understand that when you're going to another level, people are gonna say ship you feel me? I thought that I still have to react to every fucking thing that everybody said. You know, now I understand I don't have to react to ship, you know what I'm saying. But he said something negative about slaughter House and I was just in that mode like, yo, no man, you know what I mean?

And then him and Royce had a little back and forth and it was it was crazy because you know, I used to funk with buses. You know. You know what I'm saying. He got the day the day and Dave made you know what I'm saying, and I respect what they put down with the source and you know that's stuff that's the original bodyboard hip hop fast. You know what I'm saying. And I just I just hated that. I probably handle that a little wrong. You know what I'm saying. To be honest with you. You know what

I'm saying, because he's bigging you up. They're coming on here and them actually bigging you up. Let's saying the exact opposite of what's happened. At the time. He's like, you know, Cook, it's my man. He just you don't know what's going on in the room. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. Yeah man, I mean you know, it's you know, cool man. I just like I said, Dog, I was just in that space. Dog.

You know, sometimes you and that when you're lawyer. When you're lawyer, can't see but you're riding for the team, supposed to ride for the team and everything else. Later he's supposed to say whatever. You know, these things, you know, januinely cares about the culture, whether you agree with some of these views or not. Yes, yes he cares about the culture like he's a hip hop but he is one million percent for the culture is one million percent.

And you know, sometimes you know you you could be in the right place, right y'all think he probably whatever he said he is. It's so crazy. I don't even remember what it was about. But I think it has something to do with us being attached to eminem and m and history, you know what I mean. So and plus I wasn't even around me and you know what I mean. But you know, silly ship like that. Yeah, man, hip hop, I'm actually I actually love that we can grow.

I actually love that, you know, people get like I love Drake and Meet Mills situation right now, like, and I love that Drake even made fun of it like a poster. Mean was like, yo, if I hurt you and I ain't, He's like, did you see that ship? Like watching? And I think that's what makes hip hop dope. It's like, yo, I can we can be but as long as no one got their hands put on, no one's gonna hurt that. We can also you know, make amends and then make money. And it helped sixteen thousand

other people make more money. I feel like that's I feel like, I feel like that's what the East Coast West Coast say is. It was a big misunderstanding, and now I look at it. You can't go to the East Coast without seeing a West Coast due East Coast.

I can't go to the West Coast, but I've seen the East Coast dude, like, and it's just but we wouldn't have been there fun if it wasn't some type of like like not the same We're respected the smoke, but the fact that that happened and what it is today and what it is today like to this day, I go out there and everybody when I'm in um in l A, most of the people I see is from New York people. And then when I'm in New York, everybody's like, man, you know, they we both got the

opposite goal whatever. Always it's always funny. When I was when I give an iced tea because I'm like, what's up over the room, He's like, you don't you know I live over here, Like like, damn, you know I want to live where you just laugh exactly, And I love New York man killing it, man doing movies you gotta be in l a correct. You know. A lot of movies you know and not get booked in that light. But a lot of movies are filmed in other plays

like yeah, Van cool, you know Atlanta. Um film film can happen anywhere, you know, But the business isn't that like you know, um and the people that that really are pushing buttons and the studios are there, you know. So if you're gonna come there as an executive as as as an actor, you will at some point, um come to that La Copter. God, damn, I'm not gonna lie. You have the best weed in the morning. I remember, I wasn't you. I don't remember that. I got a

little story for you. I was on the West Coast one night. I just left out a subclub and I stood outside smoking and you was out, was like you helped me down. I was outside smoking and he was looking up. He was like, it's just snormy. You could just buy himself just I was like, yo, I had already got soaked in and yeah, man like, because you know, it was scary for us at first, you know what I'm saying, because of you know, the biggie thing like you know that ship that that's some scary ship, like

you know for us, because we didn't. We were too young to understand what was going on. We're too young to understand that the disc record could lead to too We're coming ain't bad? All right? Yeah, he called me. You're we come inhead. We want to put you in the podcast where you at. You sound drunk? All right? All right, come in here, come inside, Come inside, Come inside,

I said, he sounds drunk. I ain't even here, but it was it was I remember I remember after Big Dying m I don't care what the record label we was on. They we would lad and they would make sure we had security, and I was like a non security dude, and it was just like it was something we couldn't fight and we were like literally like shoku. And I remember none of us hunk out, like none of us came. It was one of those days and I came out and I said it. I remember evening

actually said. I was like, man, you know New York dudes, don't hangtu eather like, don't finish that, don't finish the sentence. Remember, it was like a chill because I was like because it was like literally that tab bore at the time because I was that was real, Like we hadn't seen death in hip hop, like we've seen death and hip we didn't see you know, cancer, diabetes and like that,

so you know, it was real. So where we at now, Popsipe, And that's the exact same thing I'm talking about when I came to New York because that was one of my first trips to New York, you know what I mean, And I didn't know what to exact. I'm on death row records, you know, I'm going to the East Coast ship I might be loving. You feel me, so you know when you did what you did, you feel me and that's what made me say, you know what, this is solid dude, man. You know what I mean. I'll

never forget this moment, you know what I mean. And I like how you say giving the people the flowers and all that, because like even x X is of one hundred dude, period. You can't find people in the industry that's one hundred like that, you know what I mean. So when you do, you gotta give them their flowers while they hear you. Gotta say it on public platforms.

People act like it's illegal to tell the truth. Sometimes you know what I'm saying, But this dude right here one many levels to show love, yeah, show love like um. One of the craziest things is uh us to say no homebo. Right. We get I get it. But a lot of times if I say, yo, cookie man, you know that first you got on the I might just say, you know, no, homo five because the bird was hard. He's showing a line. And the thing is, it puts a taboo on our culture when that's that should be

the exact opposite. That should be like, you know, we shouldn't even say that. We should be like yo, man who killed that? Give people all mainstream show yeah yeah, and we gotta we gotta, we gotta change that in our culture. We have to exchange it. We have to. We have to like this is why I drink champions it like you know, so many people, you know, we will see I'm gonna keep it real. I don't want

to front. We will see so much slack. We put on ot Genesis and we put on young dogs, right people that's probably I considered legends, but we wanted to get them benefit. Doubt they knew brothers. They're coming up, they're doing it, and we built our this this ship so bad that the fans really fans there. But come on, please, let come on. We don't gotta break the screens. Get a chance, get talking about real quickly. Oh you can't even Dominican jacket too pure, you don't worry about come on,

we're sure you guys. Mike, we don't know. Mike, you've got the boom. Mike, right, get this away. I need to do saying. Oh, that's right, that's a right, that's right to do. St. Pelusa. Let's make some voice producing. That's the found the right started in that motherfucker's career, right there? Are you? Loco? I know you know, you know that we're gonna joe this podcast. Really you didn't know this is rory? Yeah? Really no, No, that's it, Yeah,

familiar milion. This is never gonna be a slaughter house again. This is an ambush. I didn't know. I didn't let this. This is a total inbush outside Crook's love all that. This is an ambush. I just want to make that close. It's a total ambush. I can't because I love you. I don't know what you were doing. The house to come back quick. We sold the house is none of my business. Why did y'all ask me if I sold out? Yeah, that's true, that's why would I That was a great response.

Crook and Joey do a lot of respect. I love Joe. My loyalty is always with Joe, But why would have an opinion on sold house? That's gonna do with me? I got a expenion, So you're not smoking. I think, I think I want to. I want you to you know, if Drake and meet mail where you're going with this can move on? I think eventually slow the house because I think it's it's too important to hip hop to let that go. Me personally, I don't know where everything

lies wherever because I don't. I don't know everything because I'm also an artists. I don't know if you had an agenda here with a sold house. No, I don't. I'm not gonna say a word that we could talk a hip hop but I don't have any opinion. A lot of apples and what they do that I mean, they're very HIPI as a fan, I love Let's like saying like if I was actually about Wu Tang, right, if I was gonna say Yo Wu Tang, you would say what messy man is not one of my best friends.

So I can comment objectively great, fucking great. I can't objectively talk about start out. One of the members is one of like, that's tenly to me. I respect that, So I can't. Let's stay business. It's not about business. Respect, that's not about it. Pete, about where are you from? Queen's you set up? Can you get to try to take them all? Shout? He get a shout? Can we get a run of plause for your project? This ship? I don't know what project? Oh think, what are you

talking about? My favorite part of that intro? Man? What's what's the bar? I'm about to get rich of a pure personality again, Thank you man. I appreciate it. Everybody but yourself. That's right. That's good because I stay ahead like big up everybody else and then you no one to pay attention to what you're doing. I want you have a little bit of beef. I do have a little beef with you. Here we go again, changing. I'm a professional. Last time I came here, when I was

on here, it was cool. It was like, really this is like some real professional. You got the whole We was in a different world. Try to like this ship doing takes like this ain't the cool. Yes, it's crazy, sold brother, I'm sorry we're not saying the checks. Time I was here, this ship was like you kick you see a man show man. They got hair and makeup. Oh no, they do the pup and they got stars. They stylish. At least you don't do hair makeup and

stylish man, that's debatable. No, we don't got on hair makeup. I didn't see it, but I wouldn't be so. And they'll think it here and do hair and makeup. He is a hair friend. Weeople were right. We are turned. We are a different show. But let me just say something right here. Let me pick up to a state of the coach other big up to Joe, what y'ab what you do? Let me pick up to the Joe podcast. Think y'all do? And and it's love and it's a community's end to think about the way if y'all succeed,

we all success. The same fans ship is say, kind of a new uncharted territory type of ship, like the more with our Spotify deal, like that just gave people more worth, like when they saw what we was worth for that Spotify deal. That means the next podcast that comes up as the same numbers as us are. I know what we're worse because I know what they got. So when I did the revote ship like grap Radar all that ship. Any time we do the ship like people try to we're all. I know, we do the

funny ship like. But it's not with me to think about it is this is what I believe in. I believe hip hop to control hip hop. Now what I mean by that is I love Hennessee right. I love I'm lie, I don't really love it, but I'm like I love love more. I love more Whack right. But if I had a choice, I would like to own my own version of more Whack Right. And I would like that to be on the table. To me in a perfect world is if I'm going to get socks, them socks is owned by somebody that is owned by

somebody that owns something in hip hop. If I'm going to get news, I want like I said, I said it all the time, I want Jim Jones to be my weather man, like when I get the weather, and I wanted to be a nigga like Jim Jones going on the back with saying your ship is real and Brooklyn,

do the fucker. I would rather that, Like if I'm going to go see sports, I would like to see j the Kiss being the person that's telling me, you'll listen the niggas that lake is they I would like it to come off from hip hop, like that's what, that's what, that's my dream, that my dream is. I never have to go outside my culture. And now with that being said, our culture can't be Ratio. It can't be you know, blacks and Latinos. That has to be everybody,

anybody that love hip hop. That's our new race is hip hop. That we all bonded, we all congested together because we're all repper that one flag and that's hip hop. And I think that's what's gonna save humanity. I'm sorry, I got way too deep right now. Just's just not really dream jams. I'm sorry, but we're gonna shout out David Banner who was here are you? And he talked about that everything he was wearing except his pants, he owned it like he owned it and changed the economy

in the hood. You see what I mean. It saved a lot of lives and they changed the entire economy. You gotta do rapping. You gotta managers, you gotta producer, you gotta promoter, you gotta graph artist, you gotta hip hop exact. You got people getting checks all because of the culture, and if it could do something as powerful as that, they could do exactly what you wanted to do. North. But when the cultures are changing the economy of the industry,

that's when the culture started to change. Did the culture change or did mainstream rap just come into play, but the culture still. I just I've seen people down the street with the kids on the walls, you know what I'm saying. I go to Italy, I see people out there. You know they're rapping. Because it wasn't the president of the at one point, Yeah, he wanted to give me an exact job, you know what I'm saying that, and

then he made came on. But that's how well he me and you talked about executive positions and you know, sugars like this. I'm going to go meet with Leor and I want you to learn the game and get your business i Q. So I'm gonna take you with me so you could just soak up the game, you know what I mean, and that's how she was, so, you know, and he wanted to do like retirement funds for artists. He wanted to do health you know what

I mean, insurance for artists. But every time he tried to do something on that level, he got resistance from the powers that be. And sometimes that resistance comes in the form of the FEDS knocking at your doing. Luis, you should what I mean. So he had that mindset though, absolutely he had that mondset. We all biggest God bless I want to I want to thank you, exhibit, to thank you for coming out showing a love because honestly, this is what makes us who we are. We gotta

keep saluting and supporting each other. Dig motherfucking crooked eye. Man, you brought you some snakes to Oh that's that's okay. I'm into that, you know. I'm Romeo eighteen seventy five is like my favorite man. Okay. So that's like Romeo and Juliette. Yeah, Romeo and Julian. That's a love story, like Jimo said. Yeah, And I also want to thank you too, war We gotta also want you to set up at all. I just think it's just something I was kid about that I wouldn't. That's inside, that's person

that we know. It wasn't. Man, you know like that was a great connection right here, like I actually brought you up. Like he's here, like he knows. I mean, people want people want to know that's how strong the sat Our house brand was. Yeah, I mean not you still want to know outside of let's be clear, I got a little side commission at all. But as a hip hop or as a person that knows that four different lyricists got together and did some crazy ship and I don't know why it's going. I know that the

M ship played a big part of it. That's all. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying, And I just man and let me just ask you again, this is not a sound But did you know? That's how you know it's a set up? What did you disrespect? When here comes from disrespect? You named Joe went kind of too far when he was critiquing M's album or or uh. I think a lot of things that Joe said were made up. If you go back and look what he said on every Day Struggle, I think it

got blown out of proportion. I think I was I think a lot of ship went to the headline thing and and just knowing Joe personally and how much he loves him and respects him proportion though, if you go back and look what he said on Everyday Struggle, I challenged anyone that picks. He used the word trash, and I think that was what was the Remember the context exactly of what was trash untouchable? I guess he says his trash stored in the rice or some ship. You

know what Joe be saying? Yeah, going on, I mean that's going to podcast. No, No, the thing that everyone was talking about was right there. Okay, yeah it wasn't aboutcast. But did he clarify it on on your podcast? Yeah? Yeah, we significantly went through it. And you know, I'm always as as one of his close friends, the first person to say when he bugging, And I don't think he

was sucking. I think it was Honestly, I don't want to know you, don't want to have more complications but platform with you, because what yeah, that's nothing to do with me. I got I want to be here to talk about here because I love North to death. My whole thing is is that, like I was saying, dog, if you got a issue with somebody pass on the critique of the album and their singles, because how can you be fair? How can you come from a place that you know what I mean, you just listening to it,

you say, and your personal feelings to the side. I don't think so, you know what I mean? And I just think that with everything that see, me and Royce were very hands on Snarterhouse from the beginning to the end, me and Royce to five nine. So all fitness, I'm sorry to cut your sustrainity and I wanted you to finish your point. But um, so we're talking about revival, right, Yeah, we talked about revival, but then Kama Kazi actually came out after that, which was the am I correctory. The

Karmic Kazi came out right after him. So do you think m felt that like a little bit like like that's from Joe particular, But I'm just saying, just do you think that he felt that from that fans? So that's why he went and made Karma Kazi. I think he was inspired, and I think he was inspired by his critics. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I think he was inspired by his class and he just went in and got and that's him. He gonna he's gonna speak his mind. I mean, he's done in his own career,

you know what I mean. So he was just inspired. He went in and he made some ship. And you know, like I said, Dog, it's just like I said me, Royce, we just really we win the trenches for slaughter House. You give me so when it you go in the trenches like that, and if you if you got a communication line with your brothers, then you talk to your brothers like, Yo, this is what I'm about to do. Is this gonna harm anything that you guys are doing to try to get glass House out right now? Because

I don't like my time to be wasted. If I'm flying from Cali to New York sitting in the office, is fighting for this Glasshouse ship on my own time? Let me know if you're gonna throw a grenade at that bitch, you know what I'm saying, Just let me know, and I won't get on that plane. You feel me, God, it's gone all right? Yeah, wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. He's not a quit. Now. I gotta take a PASSI