Episode 158 w/ Redman

this is drink Chas motherfucker? Yeap yalla make some now. When it comes to legends, when it comes to the word New Jersey, I think when you google New Jersey, his face picks picture just comes out. When it comes to the most legendary uh MTV cribs of all times, still to this day, people talk about it when it

comes to a person that you say a legend. When we started this show, we said me one of the big up legends that got ten years and more, and this is his name automatically popped up first, like you know, we're in the top five. We were in three years to get this man here. We are so happy, We are so happy, We're I'm so happy because in our culture, there's so many people that don't pick up our culture.

And I'm so proud. I'm so honest to tell you one of my friends, one of the best mcs on the planet Earth down, you know what I'm saying, one of the realest people, one of my favorite people. Not only my favorite and one of my favorite mcs, but one of my favorite people period in life. If you don't know what the funk I'm talking about, we're talking about the morning Only Breggie mother wucking. I need that

for my hot I practiced this boy. So I don't know if you know, but when we interview artists, we like to get together and we like to go through like the artists playlist and you know, go through the whole good your ship pause is long as fucking how like you you've been going like since the nineties. It's nineteen ninety and how so let's take us take us through people who are who didn't have internet. Take us how how that was in the ninety two? Like Fun,

the album Fun, just promotion, just how we work. That's the whole circuit everything. Let's go back the the one. The early nineties era circuit was communication straight up. We had to We only had maybe two outlets of music to release, our shipped through, and we made our impact through in stores. And then when they two outlets you talking about like magazine, Yeah, like magazine radio and in a couple of outlets far as video mix tapes exactly does and yeah, in the early nineties, not too happy.

I started bubbling in the ninth in the late nineties a little bit. In that early era, it was all about the in stores, baby, And if you don't know what the in store is, that means. We actually called top up shops. Now, yeah, yeah, that's that's what the that's what that list shot was for closing bulls. Yeah, so it's the same thing. That's true. I said you that trying to trying. Yeah, but I thought the pop up shopper is when it's unannnounced and you just pop

up and put the shops. Do anybody's the same, you know pretty much? You know why we had to announce it back then, it's because we couldn't get information that people as fast. Right, So now I could say, you know, Red Man is here after Black World Ordinary never got a pop up shop back such everybody would just come. So but it's the same thing as an in Stoke. God damn it, I just see you popping and that

still jumped, just like, yeah, the same that. Then we gotta beat too, they said, because they said Red might not drink. So we said, but if Red drake because we celebrate. I don't know if you know, we're gonna say with Red take the champagne or when Red takes a rock, if Red has one drink, we have a back on. No pressure you want me to no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't decide that right now. When y'all that this is, this is, this is, this is my class. I don't

know what, but yeah, this point, leave it there. If he side he wants to have something, yeah, leave him both. Damn ye you know we're side this side, which when I go forward, shet you lost nigga. Yeah, but quickly though the in stores when we have to actually go to the record store and actually shake people hands and sell all material right over the deaths and let people know that we out And that was what we mostly

did in the nineties. But that ship was fun to sell because we actually got to go to different cities see see actually the hood come to this record store and and actually see what was going down in that city before we went on stage. Because you did an in store at my store, the Possi Store. So I'm not gonna lie. The other day I looked at Instagram, tear came into my eye that you better have that

to see a lot of people. I got so many legendary stories from Branson, but one of my best favorite legendary stories is I pulled up the Branson one day, but those are don't know Branson is a week spot, the most famous week spot, and we stay and then the scribe come to you. You could be known down the block. But if they don't know you, they're not serving exactly. Like so everybody used to want to come from my hood because I had to wrapper past. It's new.

I ain't police, so they're not. So one day doesn't we can move on to the story. One day, I just walk in the spot and Red Man is behind the day. It's like working the spot. Yes, yes, here, and I grab a couple of the ship and I'll say something like how about this this? He's like, yo, that's said like, and I'm looking like this is right man behind, but I don't want to say and I did the hold your section and he's like, you know

it was something I never said that. By the way, listen, because I really want the people to understand this is an exclusive weak spot. So let her know. You couldn't even go in there so they wanted to get behind it. You had to really be in. And then with Eddie god Bless recipes, Eddie uh Big of the Branson but that was exclusive. And you know why I liked it. You know, I loved your post because let me tell

you how accurate you were. If you want to set Component oriega that you would have been wrong because Component should never go to Branston. You knew, you knew the Let's just make some noise for his weak I have to say Component, yeah, you know, um, I want people to for people because we don't even have now we have dispenceries, right, yeah, dispinceries a great thing. But can you describe to the people back in the nineties because

usually you're able to drink champagne. Man, the police wouldn't sunk with you in front of brands like it's a legendary, but describe this is the same dude depicted by half Bankers. I don't leave. I believe so. I believe so Samson, But you want to talk to Yeah, the motherfucking ship cous getting me a backboard I get after your ball went up? Um, but the burnt the spot, Yes, like you said, it was an exclusive spot to be at and like definitely, I'm you know, me and Biggie definitely

kicked it out there plenty of times. Like Biggie used to be out there all the times, And I used to know when he was out there because if I pulled up and it was like champagne bottles lined up, Yeah, he was up there all the red the red was the Red Land Cruiser. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. So it was a legendary spot that I used to wonder how the funk he had a spot running that. I'm talking about a dispensary in the early nine like like free like everyone knew you get your

butt and ship that's nothing. But for us, it was like a communication spot for us to get for us to talk about on the record as well. And ship because you know the CALLI niggas had that fire out there, like we wasn't hardly getting that fire like them Callie niggers. So that Branson was the closest thing we had to like a fresh calli bud that we could connect. But the triangle back were going. If you had the triangle back, you was a fishot listen about. Let's go right back

to the triangle back. But it's correct me if I'm wrong. Was that the last good brown weed? Was it to stick? That was in that ship? It it went to Tostick, then it it then it went to uh, then it went to green Bud too, So I know, I know what I'm saying. But the ship that had us all stuck was that brown Yeah, that that brown ship had you come from Jersey, I'm coming from Queens. Like that was a little close to the spot by the way, like this is at least where was it in New York?

This was in Harlem, but he lived in Jersey. I lived in Queens. Let's think about that. So that's like a forty five to fifty minute commute just for weeds. And I was staying in Long Alan too, so I used to that brown Louis this is the last brown Now, now for first of all the brown weed, y'all if you I mean, you're not gonna see it in these days in time. Brown fucking weed is what Jamaican is usually smoking. They got that it's called it schalk. But

his brown weed have white season. It was sticky. So we used to take the green in the brown. We used to make what you call it beef and brock. But did that weed that cocaine? And let's just be clear, yea was y'all already honest because it was a certain that's certain days I was making into banking. I know me out. It was certain days I was waking up and I was like, oh, we started twitching. I had no week and like people from my hook was like, yeah, you want week up? Like now, I wait until any

open up shop and I would wait. You remember the open to the level still remember I would And I was like, damn the way I would never like want anything else. I knew there was some type of might be the heroic. I'm not sure, but I'm soone took it to that week. Okay, before you don't ranting. This reminded me I had faith on the show. Oh yes, And she said, y'all dated you were her first, like official boyfriend. What did he say, boyfriend or friend? She

said boyfriend and yeah, yeah had faith earlier. So you was a drummer in the church. Yeah, yeah, she shung in the church too. You know what's funny. Faith was the first woman. I never said that two first, Faith was the first woman. My mother caught us in a bad way. She was the first one. My my mother caught us where she was. My mother came in every room, she was like, get your motherfucking as is about my goddamn room. And yeah, but that was my love though.

That was only that was way before. So that sounds like But then we went up in the game and you're the first person to take it, of course, of course, but we we we went up in the game, and we we always be main friends up in this game because it's like Jersey, we got a cold where you where you came from, you know, with what route you're going, and we always gonna stick together. And we because we always felt we had to fight to get in that

New York circle, y'all. Motherfucker's trying to block us out from so long. So when we come up in the game, we stick together. Man, it don't matter from Rod Digger to Trash. You already know Trashed from underground. Yeah. Absolutely, we all all remain friends still to this thing. Wow wow. So Faith, so you know Faith is doing her things right. That's right, that's right, that's right. So the mom Man is the momp of the man. Told that's the first time you ever met m Uh. I met that man

during Yo and Yo. Nev said he met me at a criss Cross party and ship. I was high. I didn't even read it back from the criss Cross, right, said, we know, at the criss Cross party and ship, but I was high. I don't remember that ship though, my nigger. We I think we did though. But when we got really connected was on the month of the Man tour, when we was like, you know what, let was definitely

we put you all together. Hell yeah. I mean it was a smart idea too, because we was like we we came out with the album around the same time, and we had the same kind of feeld, so it was like, fucking why wouldn't we put these two on the road and see what we create and were ounce there smashing ship. Then they came up with a add in meth song how High, and it just built from there. Man, you know we're gonna cheat people to take it a little bit of champagne because I got I gotta ask

you this question. So I listened to red Man. Everybody's hold on water manute. So I'm supposed to take it, don't Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm supposed take a drink. You take a sip. Let me pray about because I ain't take a drink. It's all time. It's cool, it's it's champaigne, champagne. I do for my nigger, all right, that's right. So

you just mentioned how high? Now, when I hear how high, and I hear that how high too, and I hear it's yahdi, and I hear it's young boy DC, young Fly, no disrespect to them, but a little it's like, that's not the franchise. When I hear how high, I mean from the horse's mouth, you know what I mean? How did you feel? I know your message was working on the script about it, But how disappointed? Off? Are you not disappointed? Because I'm a I'm a kind of dude

that in know I'm about the youth. I'm about the young is coming up, and you know I want young Yanni in DC defeat their family like me and met felt our family off the How High entity. It was a good thing that we can We was able to say we started that ship. But because of business rights and and uh, because of you know, political and that we're not characters. Well no, they're going to create their own characters now. They asked us to be in a movie,

not even cameo to be as well. But we as grown men and we want to move on and own our own ship next time because we don't own How High. We came up with the ideas for How High, but they own the characters and everything. So we're gonna move on. And we already got a movie that we've been being written right now. Hopefully we can start shooting the Boy the end of this year or tipp of next year. And uh, and we're gonna own that bitch. And that's

what it's about. So y'all think up to d C fly yati man, like you know, I got on the GRAM and shout at them niggers out man, like you know, y'all stick together, man, y'all just make that ship funny man, and carry the ball. You know, at the end of the death Right, you would if it was your choice? Would you which they changed the name? You know what I'm saying, because like it's like, uh, it's like someone else naming the album Muddy Waters, Like it's because def

Jam had owned that name, you know what I'm saying. Like, so it's like a moviemak. I mean, I mean I would take it personal, not personally as far as ading like I'm telling about all or being mad. I'm gonna take you personally, just as far as something I don't understand, like I don't know, no, not even like like I said, when you when you already know you made the How High franchise are classic already, it's like we either take it.

First of all, we the mentality of going into doing the How High Part two, We already said if the ship ain't gonna be funny, we're not gonna do it. You know, we ain't gonna tamper with the first How High and trying to make a How High too funny and and it end up crap. So the script wasn't even ready for us to say, you know what, we're ready to shoot anyway. So my thing is when a when a bunch, when another branch or brand come in without us knowing and then start tapping into the script

without us knowing. That's when we draw the line like you know what, y'all go ahead and run with that anyway, because y'all might put some things in there that we don't agree on, and we're not we're not on part of the full process of building how high script, So y'all go ahead and run with that. We we're good, like we were not mad at all. We're congratulating, you know, our error congratulates right, We don't, we don't. We just went to bounced the ball a correct way because when

the eighties n just gave it to us. Nigga, we good point. We motherfucking we elevated that bitch, you know what I'm talking about, Like nineties one of the most pivotal errors there is still to this day to me, you know, in my mother that's another good segue. Yes, sir, who get the Mark can give you his name though, but you was but he was eamily with Mark, Yeah, absolutely, best was from Jersey. Bro from this story was living in Jersey. He was living in Jersey a long time.

Most ruined my childhood long h No, no, no, he was let when he came from Long Island. At an early age, he was in Jersey Ald connecting what were all doing? Like like everybody heard this is pre yeah yeah, yeah, waiting before you know everybody heards lived in York and ship and Bens used to have a big gass like like two three floor like condo in York downtown. Excuse me, see damn ye, gotta drink some more. No man, so yo. I used to go to this ship like you know,

Bears was good man. Put me on, put me on, because I went the bills first hit tell you like Bess, put me on, put me on, and you know, I just kept pushing and kept pushing, and you know we just remained friends and ship. But on my way up, he used to take me the battle. That's how I got really known in New York for doing that Queen's freestyle at monta Cello Park or something like that. That's where I got I don't know it was. It was.

I was I was supposed to go to queens to battle o Nigga at Mano Cello Park and somebody recorded it and that ship went on the airways quickly like Barbito show stretching Barbito. So that's how I got my name in New York a little bit. But Biss used to take me around battle for money, and I used that air month of fuckers out like I used to a niggas out so bad. Yeah, they tried to. They protested against me at the end of the club. It's like, Man, get this nigga the funk out. It was bad, But

I used to wreck niggas in long Hour. I used to wreck niggas in New York a lot. Straight up, what's going on? Drink Champs Army is your boy? D J E F Fenn. I want to interrupt the show for a second to announce that my documentary film, Coming Home Columbia is an official selection at the two thousand nine Miami Film Festival. This is the fifth film in my Coming Home series where we explore countries through the scope of hip hop. The film will have its public

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that it's one of the greatest. You shot that in Quins Queens, right, so holdless, let's take take me through that because whose idea was that video? Period? That was my idea. I need you to shoot a video for me. But let's continue to Yeah, that was my idea, like when you hit the girl with the girl, the girl the car, the girl in the car she ran into the back of right, yeah, yeah, and no, I just I just wanted to be different. And mostly all the videos I shot it in the nineties was my idea.

Just directors took the idea and built on it. So who's credit for that day? Minds? What was that? Damn? Who the funk was that ship? I forgot? Man? Was it Diane too? Come on Google that? Come on? Look at Hillary? We got the googler a little but I described so. So the video was shot of Silver Cup Studios, I imagine because because Civil Cup students around the corner from Queens Bridge, that was the safe place where Sopranos was filmed. Back, Um, I didn't know was the studio

that you filmed? And I shot it right outside. No talking because remember you did the workout part. Oh you know what you you? I'm not sure I don't probably you probably right. I always guessed that for years because you know, it was funny. But this is like right after like, um, there was kind of like termri with your marv D or whatever. And then it's crazy because at the time I believe Cormega was kind of be from mar D and then you have Kobega and you

sent the ill message to Quez. I don't know if you knew. I kind of. I kind of knew, but but but but it wasn't delivered. Come on, brother, you already know. Um Also to come on, I was living right in the projects right here, and um um, what'side? I was in what'side projects? Man, Look, nigga, I was in what's ode projects to my fourth album Nigga. Yeah, man,

right there, man. I used to walk down on what's that little shopper area y'all got that northern yeah, nigga, So I used to I used to walk from one side down to that and the Queen's Bridge on that and we spot. It used to be a we spot right there right in the back of Queen's Bridge. One door. I used to go in and see that. Yeah, you see that, man. So I was already in Queens right there two minutes from my beat. While we why it was so called, we was beefing. So I was already there.

So when we when they decided to shoot the video, I didn't come up with that location. The video people came up with that location. It was like yeah, it was like this is a great area and it just happens be Queen's Bridge. And but what you were saying though, I was like, you know, motherfucker's was coming in and it's like, yo, you know, my deeping them niggas, you know, but my niggas who I was with, like Twins and all themiga, they was like, well, fuck who around this?

When he was well streeting the video he was at the time, there was like it was a little toy word between the two sides. But I didn't know that

murders before that. I didn't know that though. I didn't know that term all between car Maker and you know, you always have a real positive attitude, Like I just want to congratulate you for that, you know what I'm saying, because you know, you know what I remember when I first went on tour to one of my first time I was covering the mic and no one would tell me nothing like I was just bluting and people couldn't

really hear me. And he was the only nigger you came out and he was like, yo, dude, stop coming to mic. You're covering the whole bit. Go to And I was like, Jesus, jes like, you know, I respect that. I appreciate that. I might say some ship like that. You must have been on them before I was. I was, I was wild. I'm okay, it has to text me. Okay, Dane Martel, Dianeel. She's a bad one. She she she was,

she was so okay. So you came up with this concept you felm that it happens out and now so you said you didn't know that you know the things is happening, right, No, okay, alright, but what did you feel like when you heard about the when Keith Murray and and the Mardy thing happened at the tunnel? Um, well, keep m we're already. Uh. First of all, I don't even know. I forgot how to beef even started. Wasn't over the skit the astronomical diabola cool, it wasn't, but

over his ship. I believe Prodigy did a skit. I believe it is um and was like like making fun of like the lyrics, like yeah, like like and everyone thought it was going as Keith Murray about this. Yeah, everyone thought that at the time, and it was going at you and Keith Murray. Oh yeah, oh yeah you know what. Yeah he when he said something about you talking that space space space, Yeah, yeah, my story was

talking about me. I ain't. I don't know if that was the same thing that kind of sparked Keith Murray. I think it was something. I think it is. I think it is. I'm, you know, outside different like him

and Keith Murray. But at the end of the day, when I heard that he, uh what happened at the tunnel um, I wasn't surprised because Keith Murray was was a loose cannon at that time and everybody was getting like everybody was getting it like whoever like said something mention anything about the squad, like Keith Murray was out there running ship down, didn't keep having a fight with Dame down the pole. Yeah, I ain't. I ain't see it. I just heard about it about Dame getting cracked over

the head or something shaped like that. I don't know. God Bless God blessed, God blessed. We all hear all positivity. That's right. But that's the one thing about the nineties, dope money nineties, you had to get hit the head. Yes, yeah, like it's just you smacked. You know, that's just because we had that communication. Just so there's no bms. Yeah, there wasn't no bms. There's no titter, no, not that

at all. By time it got to the great vines saying you're sorry, we already have saying you at your show. And yeah, now that was real. That was real because right now you can be when you control, you can do all that. You might have never seen this person that you're talking about. Back then you had to talk ship and then be on some effects and then you meet each other gaming convention and impacts and all this

crazy and Max show power something. And the thing about it is, especially if you had an album record label, was forcing you to be in there and with the same as that people. He was being right, So it forced us to be men. Not to say these people nowadays about men, I'm just saying it forced us to be more manly. You know, come in front the ship, you're talking exactly what you know and Usually if someone was sad, like in the nineties that was out of pocket,

it usually had to get dealt with. It wasn't no just snick ship and oh he needs to correct himself now. Usually if a motherfucker said something about somebody in the nineties, that ship was on the pop and no beefing it out or whatever, because you know, we took this music ship series, you know, to the truest, took very serious. That's one of the things that you could probably help me out. This is a pure of me as a hip hop fan. Yeah, one of the first records I've

ever heard Dear Max. It comes out, he's this is case solo O case someone was out five six year I could not understand the relation. I still to this day don't understand. Well I wasn't dear ma first practice. I'm not getting at me. That leaves so, yeah, he said something about solo on one or though, yeah, and I just I didn't because it was two different generational gaps, and I like, maybe they're saying, hey, no, yeah, yeah,

but definitely. But what I'm saying is like they was locked up or something that Yeah, DX have been around for a minute, he has deals, but but he wasn't on, but he was in the circuit right, so I never understood what happened. You know what's funny that me and my brother argue about that all the time, me and Solo, and still to this day, still to this day, he's still like, you know that guy? Then you know d

m X man d M Max. And I don't know if DMX is still saying you know that God damn K Solo, Kay Solo, but you know both of them, you know his family. I called m X my cousin. But the beef, what you're saying is right like it was. It was a little a bridge, a little gap in between Solo and when DN Mix came out. But they was talking about a beat that happened with way back. And it's still going like bumbling to this. They see

each other exactly. And I'm telling my big brother, because you know, big brother big a little older than I'm like, your big brother, don't know fighting goods. You DMX out here shaking the tail feather on some old ass beat. You know, you want to yo straight up to make this, make it, to make that situation acceptable, y'all should do a motherfucking record, have a sell off Yeah yeah, spelling yeah, spell off, having these things to spell out like not

a lot. I'm like, there's the older niggers in him. I'm bugging out and I was loose like that. That's what I'm saying. Don't got the crowd? Uh working with l L? How was that? What the fourth three two one? Because it wasn't that the cannabis he was just quartered in. How did you feel when the drama Old well Ship?

We were surprised because we was like when we heard cannabis first, when you take it like he was talking about l L. Yeah, yeah, because I mean it sounded a little aggressive, like all right, I take that money. But the way cannabis was going at it, because cannabis was like hanging around, that's a lot at that time. Let's describe to scene. Everybody in the studio the first records, No No No had a version that he changed it exactly.

We we we did our versus separate and me and MEP did diverses together and everyone came in with diverse. But when we found either the track, so I got to hear the versus. So when I when I when I saw ye, every one absolutely big up to eat dub in this bitch. That's what's up, yo. But bottom line is that when I heard the verse, no one took it as he was trying to dis L until l L just heard it. He was like, no, no, that don't sound right. I'm not feeling good about this

on my record. And because I think I heard the verse that LLL did before that, I'm not sure. Don't quote me and ship, but I think I heard the verse, and I was like, all right, Cannabis laid this verse and LLL went and changed his version that ship was long as hell, and uh he was, and he was trying to tell Cannabis and new one. And the bottom line is what I was saying is that when we heard Cannabis verse, we didn't take it as he was trying to dis And I don't think Cannabis wrote it

as a disrecord either. I just think as a young and he was just coming up and he knew he was the new jack out of all of us, so he was like, fucking, let me just get a little aggressive. We had al on here and else said that the problem was that when he said yo, he actually told him that in person. He was like, yo, yo, I want to get a mike just like that. And I was like, Yo, listen to home and you don't have to give mike like me, get get something else. And

he made it clear right there. And then when he put it in the rod, he was like, oh, let me take that mic off y'all. I was like, oh, no, I told you he took it personally. It was a conversation. See I didn't hear that. Yeah, perspectively because when nigger had something off my arm and they mentioned it in the recorded and like that, Nigga was trying to get fun, was trying to all that's a good ship. I learned something to day. But the bottom line is l wasn't

having that ship. And uh, great that you came. He came in and destroyed who y'all think one? Between that batter quis who y'all think wrong? Between the cannabis records, man, you're talking about records like the records that came afterwards when the battle period, because Canada didn't cannabis come back up with one the Canada's records cannabis when he's my friend, and then Jackson was it's the l joint afterwards, let's love. Yeah, I don't know the second round, knockout is back. But

in the end, ultimately who's here? Yeah, at the end of the day. So we rather be called a couple of people to ask you some questions. You want to see if you know who this person is, Oh Ship as a DJ. It was a d J first, What was his favorite songs to mix? And we called to tape genre it's new, it's a newer thing though. I know that's Eric Surro And what did he say? What's your favorite genre? Mix? What's your favorite genre? What's my

favorite John Johnsons mix? As a DJ? Oh Ship, Well, of course hip hop, but he sounds a new thing club like dance music. I'll mix some club nicking. What do we say when we say club, it's like how the music Jersey? You know we want Jersey niggers never never been, no suckers and no club. Wait, you know you need this beat on wild move, No nigga Jersey niggas. We danced with the hammer, honest, niggs, k you come

in that bit like this, that's we got that. You know, we got that club and rooted isn't rooted in this nigger? So yeah, it was always the club niggas because that's what he must have been talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a new thing. Yeah yeah, it's a thing. Okay, that's a new thing. Here's a third question asked him. Do you remember who close signed to me after he got turned down by death Jim that once or twice? Who made um Leo's head turned around after he got

told about this other rapper that Reman was dope. I'm assuming it would It wouldn't be him. I don't know. It sounds like a trick question the beat gonna be honest. I would say that would careme up with them questions? You know, I reached out some ship there only you would know I need you. Red Man got there. We gotta go up with me? Damn man? Who the funds aint said? Who? Who? What would you like to get the questions again? After death Jam turned you down? Is

what he's saying. I didn't even no death Jam turned me down twice. That hurt my heart. I wasn't that. I wasn't not go to sleep. I turned down to the one time that ship, but twice, no, wow, fuckers, twice I got turned down and he said I'm sorry. He said you was dope and had Leo turned it. That's what he says. Wow, what artists told Leo is that the leof turned his head. I want here again? Or yes, so I could think, so I could feel maybe who it was? Asked him, do you remember who

COO signed to me? After he got turned down by that cham not once, but twice he said that real cockey too, once twice about the rapper That man was dope. Uh so he's not talking about himself. He counted him out. That's the only thing I didn't ask him for the Listen. This is all new news to me. I didn't know I had to get a co Sanna. I've been telling niggas for years. Yeah, I just you know what's funny because not Uster twice hus you know he said that

real r off. It ain't said it was like not Mary, but twice. You know, if it ain't cute, I don't know who who If it ain't cute, If I don't know who, you know, I'm just gonna say, yeah, that's amazing, is that it might have been cute to it might have been asking when he got a little bit money, but with the first car he bought. I know it's corny though, this was not corning us. You got a little The first car I bought when I got a little money, what was the first cap first car board?

Because when I was living with I jacked the nigga for a car. Was for half a year that New Jersey ship waits Yeah, I needed the fucking car. Plus then that objected from did something to fucking Ei. We had the handle, but ship it had to be a four runner for the four runner hand of ye don't running l C. Do you want to do? You want to show Tito's gift? All right, so look so just see you know rap man at we this is the DJ. This we didn't know um Eric B and rock Killer,

I'm the wrapping DJ. We got a show, right, so we never knew this. She was gonna blow up. So we got voted for what National film um n f T a National Film Television Academa against Jimmy Killers Ellien Degenerous Saturday Night at We got supposed to win. So Nickers didn't even want to go to the walls. He was like wet winning this ship and we actually want when a true drink champs fashion, we send one of our friends to pick up no walls in l A and l A because he was here and we didn't.

So we said our friend and this is what our friends tells us back, he said the award to us. This is a true drink championship, right man, But that's not this ship. We ain't frienish this woman. Here's the part that says national film achieving. Man, here's a point. All the parts out here, atleast get to share it. I mean, you try to share the right man would be a positives So lonely stop show eighteen drink chance. Right, that's that's ship. That's just creep it right here. Ship.

We actually are our first about this our first ward award, Like I think it's our first. We got another award, but this is our first podcast. Your podcast is kicking out. Listen, this is this was dope. It was dope with two drinks, chants, trash. What is it? Tito um five seven? What does it? No? What's this? Yeah? Nickname got to keep thinking about his

Twitter thing, ain't man. Thank you guys, thank you for showing up and collecting the award, and also fuck you were breading He dropped it going into an uber and this was crazy. He had the plan of not getting two drunks. So he's figured this go in the Uba. So I was like, all right, Uba. You know, Uba is like all right, cool, but you still suck up and you drop it going into the Uba. That's what you. I definitely no believe. There's pictures and he went bar hopping.

Oh yeah, there's pictures of the award and every bar I'm going to bar hopping bar hopping with the fucking award show. You fucking break that sound them now, I said this time I wouldn't have did, but not not like coming out of Red mountm Like it wasn't the Left Fail one. Hold on, we got one from Left Fail. Hold on, yo, what it is? What it is? Red track chips? Noory f was good babies to rule. Listen, bread, I got a question for your statle man. So this ship.

I started doing your fucking red back chip at my shows. But I to fuck echall, but I started doing it because my message to the world is wing going hand to watch y'all. U hate the twin Oh that was mean draped my back. So I'm not that professional, but I'm trying to get my life together. That's right, Okay. Hold on, we gotta started from beginning, it seems like it. Yeah, what it is? What it is? Red straight chansnory e f A was good baby, it's the rule. Listen, Red,

I gotta question fell stake your ass, yo. So this year I started doing your fuck you redneck chin at my shows. But I have to fuck y'all rule obviously, But I started doing it because my message to the world is we gonna have to watch y'all Rule eight and twenty nineteen going forward. So the fuck use y'all route sense for them to get it out their system.

But I always admired when you used to do that ship and thought it was dopen and the energy you know that that that crowd gives the crowding to get you the feeds off. So I just wanted to ask you what what made you want the crowd to say fuck you Red Man? Oh? Well, ship man, that's an easy question. My Well, he got it from me, And you know what that's that's a very good analogy about the MAB because you know where I got it from

was my mentor ice Cube. Like I just say, easy and guess because those all advisers out there and I'm talking to you, we want to fuck you easy. But but see I got it from I got it from a historical time and like when ice Cube first came to New York doing that in w Wybe and he did the show because yeah he didn't. He did this

show like the Apollos first time in New York. And when I tell you that Apollo was rampat and that nigga went out there and he was like say fuck you ice Cube, I was like I almost cat the heart attack. I was like a nigga saying tell the crowd fuck him at that age, come on, this was like like when it was like ninety one. I was like twenty one two one, and he came on stage

just said fuck you. Say everybody say fuck you, Rce Cub and I'm literally ship a chicken white because I couldn't believe how you would get a positive energy from such a negative reaction. It was like, funk your wife, Cube, and I just ran with that bitch from there and and then Ja ru you know he got it from me thinking that I made that ship up. But I gotta let him know I got it from ice Cube. But it just shows the line of respect and mcs that we have for each other. Far Era and for

the Arab beyond us. That was a good analogy, right. I am surprised to myself for that. Man. So do you ever look at do you have to look at your career and you because a lot of people they always say that, uh, if Eminem was black, he would be red. Man. I think that that is like a great thing to say. I don't think that, No, not at all. It's it's good. Yeah, that's it's as hard as fun. And he it's up to you. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. Um. You know, Eminem was in north Way a long time

ago before songs absolutely, so he was always connected. He was always enthused by that Jersey Uh you know Crewcuma we have far As m c and or whatever and we just remained friends. I think we did that record. Uh that was for the Clumps uh Clump soundtrack, what is that? Yeah, yeah, not a professor. We did a song on the soundtrack, I think part two. And even from there, like I was going to Detroit and Lite,

I would go to his house this one. He was, you know, living in a crib or whatever and uh early days your way, early days yeah, yeah, yeah, he was doing the battle circuits absolutely, and uh you know and we just remained friends, and I always respected this crap. He respect my crap, and that was it, you know, yeah, a shot for the Goodness if the WiFi go out? Why did you never shoot the video for the Goodness feature of him? Even though it was big in the

streets and on radio like it was a single. Okay, this is niggas coming after right now this? Come on? What do you say? He said? Um, ask him why he never shot the video for the Goodness featuring me even though it was big in the streets and on radio like it was a single. Oh you know what I wanted? What are you talking about? I wanted bust the rounds a part of that video. I think that was a label thing, um with the label and death jam or whatever. Ship, come on, bus, No, that's my nigga.

I would I'm the first to be like even my niggas asked, you know why a't? I was like, ship, it seemed like that's a label issue. Was a little bit above my pay grade. So I was just like, all right, I let them deal with it. But of course I wouldn't had busted right there. That's my nigga right there. He already know Yeah, I mean when you when it comes to performance, especially hip hop. I think it's you read how many you are? Math Rass about to skip to Buster can't even say kars one in

the Wolf. Wait wait, Brad math Buster Karras d d NEX Day Last Soul Soul. Y'all ain't ever see a full Day Last score. I was on Tommy Boy of course, shout out to the Spit Cookers tour when they were killing it out there with that nigga, and then you'll see the Day Last Show. Anybody seem to Day Last Soul Show and nigga they're like a killer. Y'all. Listen, man, y'all listen to I Went too far? Yeah, yeah, don't even mix that somebody. We can't even mix that in

the pot right now. But um, it's certain niggas that tear the fucking building down, a certain niggas that that get busy. Um, I could definitely and say they like so on them niggas that tear the building down with busting rooms. D MX tests the building down and crying. Yes, he cries, and he tests the building down. Sciences, Yeah, she can't forget Cube. Cube also kills it. Cypress Hill kills it. Cypress, Oh Cypress Hill Test the building down down,

And I'm like, we just learned from niggas. We just learned off each other because we still do shows and we still do shows. May they're like, we still do shows like it's the nineties. It's still room for us, a whole lot of room because even now in the States right now to it used to it came to a certain part where we was getting a lot of money overseason. But since a lot of motherfucker's are a lot of new artists, is not putting on good shows,

they turned right back around to the nineties. Yes, they just wanted for us to be rocket and we you know it's we flew it. Now we're back on the road. Man ship. God damn makes some lois for that be on the road too. If you wasn't here, yeah I was. I was killing you up a little while. Now. MTV cribs, this has to be the most legendary, Like it's the motion memorabilia, because I love your story every time I

see you. You know, obviously I go watch interviews and every type you say that everybody wanted me to write a crib. Yeah, they wanted you that. That's what they were doing a lot of artists were doing that. Give me a break. You going. You see that ship on TV, that ship all neat like we see him and then ship touch that he openly refrigerator, the food is neatly placed. In that season of MTV Cribs was this I don't even know. It was like going near two day last season.

Because I wasn't a part of the first couple of seasons. I know that, But the only thing I know is is that they expected something else. No, my cousin, my fatists cousin was there. He he was the one sleeping on Yeah you want to sleeping on the floor, you know, because because they we talked about it and it was like, I was like, you want you to do MTV criz I was like, all right, cool. They say, yo, we we got a house that we would like to put you and I was like, oh word. And I had

to think about that ship. My my brand was on the line. And at the time, how many goal albums you got at the time, I I think I had like four fourgol albums. But just in the midst of that decision, I had to make a real, a real executive decision on that uh on that answer, And I said, you know what, now, I don't want to rent the house. I want you all to come to my house. And they ain't have no idea. Where the funk they was

coming to me? Was this house happened? This house was in standing out and see what happened was no, no, it wasn't. This was like a real estate project. I was doing this ship. So this was like my first real estate ship. I was like, I'm fixing this, but I ended up staying in the bit. I had no way to go. Yeah, I end up I adn't want to go. So so this mother fuckers showed up like a half hour early, trying to be all cocky and ship at my door, you know, half hour early. And

then they came in my ship. It was like, damn, this is where you're saying that for real? And I was like, yeah, this is where we're shooting that for real. And it was like, okay, let's get the cameras rolling this set up, and and and they came in with an assumption and they left with an understanding, with appreciation of how artists can be so known to the world, but a pre shakes standing in the spot like this to generate his brand and still to this day, I'm

right in that spot. Now, I don't that's my last question. Yeah you really really there? Like yeah, my nigga cousin minig Yeah, yeah man, because bottom line asked you. That's real niggas. You know, you always gotta have somewhere, can ship go down? I gotta if ship go down spot? But the bell didn't work. The bell still don't work. I don't don't know. He's still a real but after the day, I bought that bitch for sixty grand and

I can sell that ship for two hunting now. But I'm I'm I stay in it because it's my little sanctuary, you know. I mean, I'm scared to live in a big gass house. Yeah, I'm I'm scared. Too many windows and ship for sneaking around and coasts and ship can build them a house. Yeah, I can't funk with her big gass you know that you can build up? Yeah, exactly day, So this is legendary. Yeah right, I got eight bathrooms and ship ain't not talking about the space

they live, no, not at all. So so you really do you really do live in that credit? Yes? So we we make empty people if you remake it, because you know what I'm trying to make you trying to make fun of me. Now listen. So if I'm gonna bring it back, um, because I want to bring back MTV Criz, but I want to bring it back it on the Spanish version called Lakassa. So you're gonna go to like get block to those and then we're gonna

gonna be the only black name on this episode. I can go see you and we can go there copy that. Let's do that. Matter of fact, look on my Instagram right now. I'm getting my ship done up right now, so crip saying, time to do it. You revisited, They didn't revisited. They did a part and that ship was funny yourself too, because they revisited and I got some things done and there I was like, y'all want you

all to see her? I got don yeah, But then we went to the bathroom and ship and I forgot because they said because I said, yeah, and you and and they you know what they knew because they've seen the first version. They said, so it's this the same shower curtain. And I was like, no, I wouldn't do an MTV crib way back then, twelve fourteen years ago, and they still had the same shower curtain and they went back to the first one and I still had that sense ship. They blamed me heavy, but it was

good though. It was good. Yeah, it was a revisit. It was carding TV cribs revisit. Oh that is her laxed all right now, one of my favorite guns black and white video. It's nice night, a classic chills go classic. Like again, like I said, like I just like to go have a platelist. Most of the time is it's in the audio. But you know this morning, well this afternoon, my barber a barn don't know, but the bar is put the whole shoot on. When that ship came on,

we just both He just stopped cutting my hair. I just stopped getting my hair cut and we just looked like it was just like it palls of all life like it was just like when it was it was just something between just like like who it was five minute breakless? Who produced that record? Eric Sherman dam And you know, did you know it was a classic when

you record it? Yeah? Well you know because these was batchels of records that I had and we would just get loops off the recommend but yeah, the way he put it together, in the way I orchestrated the lyrics. Yet it was what we was feeling such a crazy like in the nineties, we really didn't give a funk what the audience was feeling. We made out. So that's

why all of us stood out. It's still different, you know. Yeah, man, Actually on that video that was that was Russell Simmons helped put that video together and put that was Brett Ratner's first video he ever shot, and after that he went on and Dead Movies, Rushoe exactly. Actually, his mama was in the video too. That white Lady was in the video. That was Brett ratner mama. That's really I just can't say that absolutely I rat video. Just let's

just say you have Ratner's mama tworking. Let's just stow it out there. Let's just I don't think that was out in the nineties. She was working. She was doing the White Miami there was doing something like it. Y'all was out. You was out here, you left you from here. L A born but raised in Miamikay, So what's your favorite ever in hip hop? What? And then this is a ten years fans. You don't have to say, you know, you don't have to be in the era doesn't matter.

Favorite era of hip hop. It had to be like our error and the eighties era. I wasn't big. Yeah, so when you say eight nine and eight nine, I would say, well ship, I would ship well run d MC kind of how early eighties? Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm saying I would say from me, Yeah, I would say eighties to nineties to our era to forever. Well, from eighties to our arrow is like my favorite era hip hop is where I molded from. You know, I could say that definitely. Was it ever point in hip hop

where you like was disappointed? I mean, keep it real, this is drink chaps. Well ship, come on, you already know I'm gonna keep you one hunting anyway. Um, when when the new music started coming in, I had to get a better understanding of what was going on, because bottom line is, my nigga like, I can't never shipped on a hip hop because it's still provide jabs for my niggas out here and you're able to come off

the street and feed your family. But the fabric of it was because that boy I was looking at your Instagram and you kept like keep nineties alive type ship. You was also yeah, yeah, let's doing all nineties niggas. Yeah, let's just represent nineties niggs. But did that come from a form of frustration. No, not even, not even because I'm not frustrated about the new era, because bottom line is, you know either, but some of these things disappoint me.

Some of the things might disappoint you. On the things that disappoint me is it's not the music is gonna be music. You have an option to turn that ship off or keep it. On the bottom line, The thing that kind of disappoint me is the the ethic, that ethic to get in the game. It's just so easy, like if my grandma could record a hot club right now, motherfucking America with a hot song. You heard Grandma with

red Grandma and that ship. She was killing that ship and that should be all over and she did gonna get a deal and producers the want to work with a It's good for it's good that you have that, the opportunity so much in your face. But you know, when you have when you get something that grand that kind of also comes with a con to it. It's always a contour pro and personal. It's not it's not good for the culture. And so it just made it that real, diluted far as what kind of material represents

a good fabric that we bumped. We don't bounced the ball too, because you know, we had to pass the ball. And like I said, when we got the ball from the eighties, niggas, we bounced that ship, and we we elevated that ship, and we we branched it out and we made it more of a a language for other

countries and coaches that understand us as a people. And then as we bounced the ball more to the next generation, I think a little bit of that fabric of them thinking what we're trying to do has lost and turned into just money and you know, let me just do this record, put it out, get this pub Yeah. But overall I think it's coming back around because motherfucker's even

a new audience. Look, nick I got five kids, and they are ranged from twenty nine to fourteen, you know, and and three of them is is grown in their twenties, so I get the rundown. And two of them living in Atlanta, so I get the rundown on new artists, old artists who new liggas to who the young and the young, and most of the young people that I talked to, they'd be like, nah, nah no, that young ship they play on the radio, that's for the little young niggas. We we listen to them. We listen to

y'all niggas. We bumped nineties ship, yo, And it's a lot a lot of your cast that's doing that. So I would, I would definitely they say, Oh, Errolman, pick up to the out. He got a cold station rock the bell rocked the bells. I listened to the rock. The bells is killing it. Swing Sway is always killing. Shout to man, the became along that. So she's Jersey right, Yes, So what's what's the best perks about hip hop? What's the best thing that hip hop was done for you?

Good fucking question. Help me, Uh besides put money on the fucking table, and uh, it allowed me to be that nigger who I am. It helped me. It helped molded me because I knew I wasn't working a nine, a fucking five, and I knew I wasn't gonna be able to take waters from nobody waking up in them nigga The reason why I've rapped is because I didn't want to wake up in the morning. I'm not a morning nigger. I can't wake up in the morning. Take it no orders from no motherfucking body, not even my mama.

This morning, I woke up in my mama house. She tried to give me something to do. Early summers, I got to funk all up my ship. Like, hold up, let me get into myself first before you started passing me the school driving and ship ship. You know, I need to mold I need to get into myself. And as creative as I am, I know that I would not be able to get up and take orders from nine to five and be the man I'm supposed to be, even though I did, and I got fired from every

job I had. I ain't quit, I got fired. You know. So what hip hop done for me is molded me into this person who I am and actually brought out the reality of this world because I was able to travel here and there, travel to this country, travel to this state and see how motherfucker's work, see how people work over here and live, see how people appreciate their culture over here. So it also, you know, opened my eyes to you know this fucking world. Man, you know

what bro like? Yeah, it's like man ship. The only thing I knew was now and I was afraid, like, look, nigga, either I'm gonna be rapping or be selling Druggs because I'm not going to know now. In the five Waking Up and Ship, you know when we had we had the ep m D on the show, and I kicked myself after that show because one of my favorite collectives and crews and hip hop hands down, at least my squad is his squad. Obviously there's the Jews crew and all these guys. That was as far as first right

know what I'm talking about Juice Worlds. That's not my generation. That's right before it me. I'm in high school when his squad and that and that too. So what I want to know is how did that all come together? What did it mean to you? What was that whole vibe in the hit squad? Because you had and I had to go to break up because I got to take people. So the his squad came came like I think I was No, I wasn't the last member to come in. Um like effects was the last member to

come in. And when Doss Effects got signed, then I got signed. Then we kind of came up with the His Squad We're gonna go on. We came up with it. I don't know, it was either Parish thing, I'm not too sure and Ship like I think Parish didn't and uh, we went out on the road. We called ourselves to his Squad and everyone out on the beside me. I don't think I really had a strong single out on anything, but I was just on the roll before your album. Yeah, it was like kind of before my album, uh that

we had to hit squad. I was just going out, you know, I was going out doing freestyles and I was murdering Ship, murdering everything on the road every time they brought me out. I was murdering Ship and head Bangers out already, right because that's before you We we kind of started to his Squad beforehead Bangers because that's what solidified it. Yeah, I was on, I was on. I was on the third album when we went out on the road, and then we came up with Headbangers.

So it was right in that in between the third album, fourth album was like the his Squad kind of built up and uh, and we just took it there. Man. We was just rolling. And then when it split up into that, it's death squad and we'll stayed with his squad, right, No, no, no, Parrish still stayed with him. That's what I say, said, Parish, Parish stayed with his squad. Eric, We went to his squad.

How old was that for you? It wasn't awful. It was just the business move because you came in with, yeah, that's right now, I'm gonna leave with you know, And it wasn't nothing, man, It was just like, alright, these two guys the ball just you know, they're not getting along, so they gotta go their ways and learn, you know, no big fucking deal. Now. It was an awkward moment right at one point where Tupac comes home from jail, he's wild on everybody, he's telling everybody fuck you from

New York. And then this record comes out of nowhere. We hear the story that you guys did it for dads. Later before a week in New York history, people who was like, what the fund is going on? But man, did you never? Did you never? Not Don Pounds on the record too, right, yeah? Because before we honestly, yeah, I mean I don't ever knew that. People kind of skept, Okay, well look at that, it's real. That's the way. That's

two bucks. I ever knew that. Yeah, It's like it's like I was like, it might have been two or three days, you know, because back then when you have a Twitter, when you could have said, yo, we did that for dads, Like you know, you gotta remember even when you did a source article, you did that ship two months in events that's right, you did an exxel or Vibe or some ship that's you did an October

for the Sabers issue. So I under staying like there was a like at least a two or three day period, maybe even a week where people was like, it's red beanom we're hiding with the West Side. Get the funk out of just being honest, like I'm sure I've never heard that. I'm had some moment, but you never heard, Like, no,

I ain't never heard that ship. The craziest, I would be honest, that's crazy because we don't remember like this came out right right after who shot y'all something like that came out right in the period of where it was like, even if you love pot, you had to kind of like take the choice that stands. And then this record came out my mom made up and it was like, whoa, I'm saying, how did you know? What happened?

Was you guys? You all all? Man? I forget which one of y'all came to say, Yeah, we did that for Dash and it cleared it up. Both. Yeah, we both cleared it up. You won't clear it up, but I'm saying for that we can talk. Like I said, we didn't have out of here. That's something. So people were like, yeah, I kid, you're not out of here. Man. I never really heard that, bro, But you didn't hear you didn't feel like, I ain't feel nothing else because

we knew we was doing it for Dash, yo. Like we didn't feeling nothing because we knew we was gonna even if we was going in for pop, like we really didn't. We wasn't tripping that much, you know what I'm talking about. But we went to do it for Dad, so we didn't have no feelings at all. We was just like, yeah, we're just gonna lace this ship. And even death was in there. They cut that off on that. Yeah, but yeah, we know that ship was going on pop albums,

you know, so you had no water. It was just it wasn't now, but we heard the story how it happened and Ship because we probably came over. Yeah. Yeah, as soon as he came home, he was taking everything. Now did I watched the movies all was like all right, yeah, okay, and that missed the time while he was doing that album, how that song made it. He came home and he said they he was just taking everything, like I need that absolutely describe that. I've never got to meet whatever

I've seen Pocket a couple of times. I took pictures with Pocket ship Man Park was he was cool, coolest bottom line. You know, when you see it's certain motherfucker's like you know, you carry an aura about yourself till when motherfucker's meet you. Whenever, whatever they're doing in the world, they come down to a YO, what's good, my niggaw to a certain level of respect because you know that that person know you love hip hop just as much

as they do. So it was always a mutual good, you know, understanding with us every time we've seen each other. Never no no ray Alan or anything. My nigga. That's a beautiful thing that it was got to be now, so I'm surprised you've never heard that though now I ain't never heard that ship made that ship up? Was there was three days people like, you know because you and you know what else was uh cues that was buck shot shortly enough, because that was really close. I'm

gonna tell you why. Because not only that day was close to but because remember Buckshot and them had beef for big so them want to record what Pock at the time seemed like they were aligning thisxself. You understand I'm saying, So then you don't. Everybody was like, where the fun they think it is coming? Now you're saying that I can't do. You know what I'm saying. I'm just saying because but no one else at that time we're working with them because of pox harsh words, you

know what I'm saying. So what I'm saying people were kind of mad at you all for a fort a while until it was an interview. I get what interview it was when y'all was like, yeah, we did it for dads and corrup putting the room, and then he was like, okay, you know what I'm saying, it right up like it was amazing, But see you know, because you know now now I can put you on the bracket with Amy Truman. You know what I'm saying. And

and you you you had addressed the rumor immediately. You listen, listen, Look, I did't working for Nori. Nori put Amy Shrimming on. I don't care. I don't know be for Amy Shrimming. But it's Amy Shmer. I don't know. I just you know, I'm just saying. He's like, you understand what I'm saying. Like, so back then you couldn't address a rumor like you know what I'm saying. Like that's why right now, if you don't address a rumor immediately, you seem guilty because

you have any outlet to do it. You know what I'm saying. Back in the days you can ignore this ship. You'd be like, Yo, they said I got such a us because nor it goes away now North, They're like that motherfucker guilty. Look look at all Kelly, I'm sorry forging my book in what He's been a ship for a long time. And look at what's his people going on. He gotta go to jail, you know that's something that's

something little with jail. But this is a chance at the end of the day, that's something for him in the higher power that deal with And yeah, he's gonna he's gonna pay the price whatever him and the eye power. And I told him, you know what you gotta do. He gotta deal with it. I got my office. You're worried with him? Did I know? I got one my only record with jay Z as well, Kelly me jay Z and Camra has called me ride. Come on Google it has nine millions. So I got the flat that's right,

that's right. I shouldn't did that right now, I didn't all He was like, yeah, I didn't know that. Actually the funny ship is um I don't know. But when I went to the studio, ID actually seek a bed in the studio and I didn't get along open the cannon. Wa Yeah, I mean, all right, listen, have you I don't know if you guys ever know, like if there's a studio called Bearsville. No Bearsville, I'm like, I like you you like you know that I can take a joke.

But Bearsville, New York, Woodstock. This is where we did the Firm album. When we did all in our e album to track masters, to read this. So each studio had their own had their own like house to it. So you were reading studio A studio A upstairs. That's when the engineer was sleep. You know what saying. You you stay in the studio the whole time. So when I just came from that, mind you, this is track match,

this track mass was working on R. Kelly. Um. So when I looked in his studio to to to lead my purse, I didn't, by the way, but when I later verse, when I see the bedroom, I see nothing every wrong with it. Like not because I knew what was going on, but because I had just seen woodstock. You know what I'm saying, and I see that. You know, you can actually sleep in the studio. You know what I'm saying. Um, No, you know I'm trying to prop Let me describe it. Let me describe. This is studio,

this is this is not this is stock. This is one stopt next to the micro this is food stide. It's called Bearsville Studio. He is here right, Studio b is here, studio CDs here. They all individually houses. One of the stock. No, this is all in woodstock, all of the woods. It's called Bearsville so studio, Hey, I can walk to the studio. Hey, they'll be NAEs and there Jung going there. But they got a three bedroom upstairs,

like staying the whole thing. So you understand I'm saying the studio being would be the same thing, would be nature fifty cent and of such, and then his studio see would be Norie and my crew. You know what I'm saying. So after seeing that, I was like, okay, like circle house, ccer house, the same circle house. And so when I see our ship, I didn't I didn't become alarm because I was like, okay, certain niggas just record, let the engine there sing them. No, I don't see

not not even a person. It was just weird. They wanted me to lay the verse by myself, and I was just like, I just broke out, yeah, because I'm trying to see where he was going with this motherfucker. Yeah, you know, I'm saying the same exactly the same exact ship that they're showing on the ship and where they said that where the beds was. I actually went to there. Oh yeah, document, yeah, the document of document. You can see that you saw that. I can't see what you said.

You see out the studio. When the studio, they said, the studio where the lady do the rocks and was trying to do well. They said, in a studio they had beds in there, like beds, like likestead of how lounge that lounge would be in bed. You know what I'm saying, you winning there? I saw actually bed, but I didn't see you didn't win it. I ain't. I ain't going to bed. I need go on the bed room.

I had eight days and then there's a little different, a little different all the way, a little bit terrible. But yeah, um, I don't know how we got here. How do we get a little bed? He just kept going to work with our you know what the crazy black line is like R Kelly and like in the nineties. Whatever he was doing personally ain't my business. But I know when I was a part of his video when he invited the whole gang in music, it was there. I did just backed that game of rappers and it

was outside of not affecting. No, it was an R. Kelly video and it was game I'll see. I don't forget, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what song it was. She has a bottom line is like he showed motherfucker's love. Like he definitely showed Nigga's love when he was out, Like to Keith Murray did a song with him and Shape, I'm sure he showed me. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he showed Murray love. That video was hot, but he personal, Hey, MA ain't gonna you know, I

gotta deal with funked up. I never thought Michael Jackson did it. Yeah, what a segree Jesus Christian, What did you say? You think he didn't do it. I don't think Michel Jackson. I don't think. I don't like nobody talking about Michey. I don't think Michael Jackson. Like you can't talk about really like Michael rack That's all I said that you can't talk about Whitney around me me. You don't Pokemon, don't talk about Whitney or I feel that too. I feel, you know, but Mike, I don't

think Mike deal. I don't know. I just feel like, you know, you know what, as weedn grew older and started understanding the government and how just that whole operation of the world works. Now I know he didn't do it, but now it's the way away. These popular people are dying and getting caught up in ship. My, my, my, My percentage on if he was set up is more higher than him. Just yeah, he was set up, of course, you know for just media, the way media manipulates and

this this, this, you up. Though, I also think Old Jay ain't do it. Oh my god, I think you think this funk up my credibility. Just don't look like. I don't think Old Jay did it. Man, that's Jowe think old Jake drove. I don't know. No, no, that is not allow you ask. I don't think. I don't think old jo for either black, I don't think j

did it. I'm figured out with a lot of killers. Yeah, remember the story though, at the backstage of them, which I got to, I got one one in the futures, I got one of the sports grip no one, he's he's murdering. Yell, just say this murder. No. I grabbed olj I said you murder unit he said, he said, he said, you know listen, brack Gang said murder game murder, we get murder. Yeah. I mean he might have just been yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, so look old James

was Walker sports girl kinda one day. Yeah, he lived in Kendall, and I looked at I know every color in the world. They got a certain Jenner said about the I don't mean that's right. There's something about them there and O J Happy. I looked for him every which way, shake for a fast and I tried to ask some questions each way, Oh Jane, Man, he didn't do it. Man, Now he might have know somebody who

did it, but himself, he didn't do this. Ship man, Let's make him old Jack bigger, you saying you cross examine, Okay, you was a part of He was a part of hip hop's first his stoical toll like to me and my like, we got run DMC, we got we got fresh Fast, we got all that. But this is the one for you know, breaking into that new era, he said, the new caves of hip hop. And it would have to be you read DMX Girou and the Homie Hole. How was that? Because I heard John Nicks was flying

through their pe on people like Kelly. I don't know, I don't know why it is on my mom, I'm so sorry, y'all was flying through though. Definitely Kelly what then the hard knock life to him? Not like um yeah, you fucking right, your most historical tour that were first off, hold on before you answer that question, because they were it was so much bad press and when y'all announced it to ask if this tour would never las, I'm not gonna lie. I ain't think it's gonna last. And y'all,

what was it? Sixty days, three months on the motherfucking road, every day, fucking every day, songs out Because this is a long pause, this long question. So who approaches you and what did they say? They say hard, not like nigga, let's go, yes, that it, but you know what it was, uh j and I'm coming in the Death cham and uh you know they I mean they got to building hot. I mean we had the building hot already with the artist that was bumping up there with us and you know,

everybody else. But when they came into building, it was like a growth because they had their own entity, you know what I'm saying. They had yeah entity, that's like I sayd entity. So so they had their own their own brand, I would say. And they collap with death Jim, and when they decided to do the fucking tour, it was just like we was that ingredient that they needed and we was like fuck yeah for sixty days, sixty days straight, fat as Market. You was on he was

on it, you know was on there too. You know everybody was on that bitch man, BBC, BEANIEC back to back dates, back to no not back to back. Someone some of them were like, for like Will worked like four or five days out the week they drive two days, had to rest for the bus driver and all that ship. But it was literally like tim Buster is out that beach man, damn, that's what Dame DA's called. Kevin was a quarter water. Yeah on that on that backstage, my brother.

But that was a laughs man. But yeah. But how so they come to you and they just say you guys want to do it? You just automatically just just jump on. And then so you know, this is a story tour from the first night or when do you when do you realize it? I noticed that after the f first night because we just walking on people's hands. Yeah. Man, it was like yo, it was like the first night, it was like game time. It was like all right, you got like you got like six seven major niggas

on the tour, and it's like all right. The first night We're like, all right, who Who're gonna blow the building down? That ship and usually man, I ain't gonna a lot. Man when we read enough came out and ship niggas was still sweeping the floors before you. Yeah. Yeah, the niggas was putting up and ship and sweeping and putting up chairs and shot and the building didn't get packed until the half of Red and Me show everything like it was and John Ruling them came out with

with with Jayna. Although they came and he came back out, did he he came up before you and they came back Yeah, I mean if he came out before and said, I mean, he had to definitely be getting up. The crowd was the people that worked there, because when we came out literally sometimes they'd be setting up seats and ship and it would be a small crowd in the front, but it would be kind of packed in the back and ship and then half our show it uh get

packed in the front. But the first day, what I knew it was to be a historical tour was the first day because we all went out there to show our balls. We was like, fuck that we're coming on early. We're blowing this bitch down and then we came out there. We did our thing. We swung on the ropes and shipped kick niggas in the head, and then we stayed and watched J and Them show and then Mixing Them show, and we was like, oh man, and they stayed and

watched our show. And I mean they came in a couple of times early and watched our show, and it was like these niggas is flying. And then we seen as they started adding more ship because niggas ain't know we was flying. They had to come to watch. Yeah, she did fucking ship. But I'll tell you what we we decided to fly when we knew how early we had to come on and ship. You know, we had to come on early. So we we was like we had to make an impact. Yeah did, and we are

motherfucking beat bad. You know, we gotta do what we got. We've got new guests. Weren't let to introduced itself to the people who go on talk to the people. Mr motherfucking Craze, go ahead, stop blowing that guy. I need to do a show than that. I ain't gonna be here here the guy. We're going to your show. We're coming to sport. Mr Cream in the building. Yes, yes, Mr Cream, Brick City Yellow. I was pretty reale. You know how we do, man, that's hard from this. So

this is a dream champip. This is a dream champter ship. We should drink this in Branson. This is full backs and pizza Eddie, So we're gonna have one. Let's vegan. Yeah, yeah, definitely is it's this purpose no nig Yeah, yeah, yeah, me all over the place to start, y'all, man, solute just one shots. Shouldn't give a dreaming. It's not like I don't worry. Don't worry one. It's kind of like not really, it's a tradition. It's like it's any secret

Asian chinny secret. Just one. This was the first. Should I do it for my point? Am I doing it for you? This one? Yeah? And you are now alive? That was almost horrible. Expanding to the people ship. That's that is that's a strung look it's no, it's not look at them just urge. But I think we fun this batch up because I've had that ship in my career and mind here ready this morning? You come on? Well, yeah, I gotta be behind those turns. Okay, okay, Okay, you're

gonna drink that motherfucker. Yes, that's how he said. Because I Eddie, I had to do it. Yes, yes, yes, because doing that, how crazy is it? DJ? And for Red because I don't know, he got to be like a spontaneous guy, is he is? He a structure, never got nasty, that don't know. Me and Redmond friends since ninety two eight squad days, so that chemistry was always there.

And when I left that effects in ninety nine, the twins cold a thing, and then was so happened that Red like with that blue black funk, I had diced. So he found me and I've been with him ever since year two thousand one when the Twin thous went down. But working with him is incredible. He keeps you on your toes. It's that type of person like you funk up, you're gonna let you know. I think I must and I keep it to the world. I'm from broken him, But how must I got fired a bout a hundred times?

Like But he does that for a reason, and you know, but it's on the tables. He's He's amazing. That's why I showed him where it is that you would say question, so los for that lippy fucking just gave me. How is it being around of golf? It's beautiful man, because I love it around him, man, around him? Since I was key was MTV crib and that. Yeah. Yeah, the jackets you have on was it wasn't a jacket and I just had it like it was like a blue a grayish shirt or something that you was under a cupole.

My arm was out, yeah, got me, all yeah, got me. It's fun though, so that I'm growing up in Brooke City and seeing all the things that you have seen, you you ever thought that he would make it this Fase's that's a good question, all the things that I've seen, all right, It's like, yeah, I always making this funny kind of you since I came up to hill. You remember that time I came up the hill and you were back there and you were DJ in the backyard and doing the ones out there rapping, and I came

up there. I spent my little version ship. But you know you rether won't pay me no attention. But I seen you and you was doing your ship and I was like yo, But I always looked up and with like there are no cars gonna be you know because he used to always come to my goddamn house trying to get on the road, and I used to always turn him around listen and not tell him, no, I don't want you out here with me. And he forced his way on to me because he was my younger cousin,

but he forced his way on. And now I know turning us how run the veil. It was a cab already waiting for me, like he already knew I was coming in, was sending me on. No but now and this motherfucker here, you know, since we got history from the his squad days, you know I fired his motherfuckering asks every motherfucker's show a chance I get, I trying to fire and just for some reason, you know, we

just stayed connected because of family. But in all sense, they know that expectancy on the stage to compete, because you know, no, we we came from an error with we gotta compete. Bottom line, you have a good show and good record exactly, you have to have both of them. And if you ain't have the hit records, you have to have a good fucking show. And that's just what we're about, you know. Bottom line. That ship got me talking snow. It's about that. It's so mean, man, you understand,

you don't understand, man, But let me say something. You know that ship is crazy, yo, how livid just goes to my feet because I don't drink. You know, this ship just went right to my feet, went right to my feet. But take you something, rad, There's so many places, there's so many artists that after you get ten years in this game, these people want to call you what they want, but they call quote unquote wash stuff. They

want to say that it's it's over for you. And the thing about it this, I want to change that perspective. I want people to know that the longevity you get in this game, just like rock and roll or jazz or whatever you want to celebrate, you motherfucker's you know what you know? O G. But because a lot of times people call you o G but they don't really mean it. They're just calling you O G because there's something that they want to say or couldn't even be

the rocking tory sometimes, you know what I'm saying. What I don't want to change that perspective. I want to say that the longer you've been in this game, the longest season you've been the game. You want to salute you, We want to bang you. What you want to stand say as opposed to kicking these people out of the

game and doing that, That's what Drink Champions for. We're a platform for people who have been in this game for ten years and more and you know what as opposed to ten years and more, but we're telling you we fuck with you exactly. People with you season like MS Sammy Damon's got ten years. They loved him for that. You know why the funding our game, you get ten years, you get twelve years, you get fifteen years. People say, well, it's over for him, and it's a new version of him.

Why the funky gotta be that? Why they gotta be that? After me? Unsense? In the new version of rock Him. He's his verse in the podcast, not another version, you understand. So let's just motherfucker make you sure that you're right there. You want you want to say six of people, Well, listen, you can follow me on Instagram at Mr Kream not fight you know what I mean. I got a single out called Congo is on every digital platform right now. You know it's crazy, please pick it up. But else

I don't know a lot of people. I knew that red Man had DJ for Dotson Fence backed them to sign YouTube. I'm there really that we all went to Virginia State. But then I left and he took your job. When you left, red Man took your jobs. No no, no, no no no. Because at that time Red Man less in the process doing his music and getting on. So before Weeks got signed or Pick discovered, we was in Virginia State. So when they finally dead get signed, already

had left Virginia State. Came after New York in DJAF for Timdall, so in that that period he already had got his deal Damn and Dies and he started DJ for Dots. And then when the hit squad came, they found me another blessing dicey y'all. Pete Parridge wants you. They want to work this DJ's I'm gonna be on the Originals. So this whole you know, expect there you lift all over the place. You like to dig up that from castaway, you like the ball. You're like everywhere.

Yea dead a lot of fucking places. And he didn't like all that. Let me find out, I probably was all the elements, and you know the true version. Let me just tell you, right, you do the two version of an MC do, a truth version of a good person. Every time I have a seeing you, you always let me tell you before we get up out of here. He made me join that tager bone and we're about to get there. I couldn't say that thing. Maybe everywhere have we ever been, you always gave me advice. It's

only one time that you didn't give me advice. I think we were on tour and I'm one of your tour bus and he was like, you ain't playing this game. I forget what game it was, and I came on. It was expected like him to like teach me or something. We got in the game. I passed the blade, just kept whipping back and I keep going and he's like, yeah, that wasn't even smoke, just kick. And I said, they have certain things. He's not going to teach you. We're not yo, You're a great person. Hip hop has to

continue to salute people like you. Got to continue to loot own. This is our own kind. Because I see anybody else to salute us, then we're fucking idiots from the beginning to think about us. We need to have a hip hop union, people who've been involved with us from the beginning, meaning you know, the enlightenment to hip hop and and when it brings to the culture, and this is gotta keep being elevated. That's trying to think about it. Is this if we don't pick up our

own people that don't want to be there. When I say I want people, I'm talking about hip hop. I ain't talking race, I ain't talking coach. I'm talking hip hop hip hop. So that could be that could be you know, Kid Frost, it could be MC search. I don't feel like if you guys, you know us, put in these ten fifteen years of working something happened to your family, I feel like hip hops will come in and be responsible. It's like he's like, we all said that,

well K restaurant to do that back in the day. Man, that's what he wanted to do. Man, he actually wanted to put something together where we can actually eat and actually have dental benefits. We are a fucking union, We are of like a in we are a job. We do served serve the public. So why shouldn't we get

dental benefits from our label? Because you know, while black, then we didn't have Will Smith said, we didn't have jay z s and but now we do where where we can help people, you know, structure them where because you know, for less of people. You know what I'm saying.

I want to say that to people that that was the worst worldever, but people didn't have as much success as others, you know what I'm saying, because I don't feel like I feel like if we both put in the same twenty years of hip hop and you, you know, dedicated your life and I probably been a little bit more successful. Success fool doesn't mean that I'm more important. I feel like we should all be important, you know what I'm saying. Like it's just like it's just like

you know, the brothers you've got with you. He might be the hype man, he might be the d jail or whatever, but he put in the same twenty years and then one of them get sick. I feel like we should take care of them the same where we would take care of you if you was to get sick hip pop and I feel like that we should do that because there's so many other corporations for me, even like fucking you know, construc Actually you can get something hit on your head and they'll take care of you.

And hip hop somebody that you had a bottle you gotta deal with said club also that that sh it ain't right. So you know again, man, I want to thank you, brother. I want to say one thing real quick on the half of Miami as well. Growing up here, Miami hip hop kid in the early nineties, you know, we was trying to rep just like how Jergy was battling the New York thing. Imagine in the South. You know New York was late to the South. But you're one of the few cats that came to the South,

came to Miami working Miami artists. Mother disappear. I had at the show last time. He was showing blackbirds. I just want to say, good looking out, thank you for that. You know, we appreciate you here. You owe me some beasts for that guy. What's that damn song? What's funny is man? Like I watched that hip hop documentary on Netflix man and understood, y'all Miami rat man, how it started? Man, that's that It was crazy as hell. Man, y'all started

straight from bass music. Basic. Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, Sugar Hill game was was too Lives of the Niggah Yeah yeah man, Like you know, I learned a lot from that ship. Man well red Man, we want you to know, just in case anybody did never tell you overhead drink chance, we love you. We love what you did to the coach, and I'm glad I probably got the chance to do this bit. You listen, you know, shout out to Cuz but put put put it there again.

But I'm gonna tell you something like this. As soon as this show started, my brother called me about it, and I ain't gonna a lot man, like he I was one of the first thing. And you know, me and Nori talked through the phone. We know, you know, industry friends, you talked through the phone. And when he started the show, he wanted me on it, and like, I'm just glad I got to do this for my nigga because I know, like you know, out of all people you know he had on the show, he wanted

his real brothers on it. And I appreciate that my nigga, trying to let them know, like he was on me directly, no management, he was on me like yeah, yeah, yeah, he do day one with this ship and I'm glad to be a part of this bitch, and I took a trade just this. I'm this because you know why,

it's about time hip hop start controlling hip hop. We can't keep him playing and saying, you know, we could do this and do this, but we're not putting our own people in position to control with you understand what I'm saying. It's like, it's like it's like what's my man name? For all the book? The mayor from New York. We can't keep Clint complaining about things that's happening in the New York unless we motherfucker get behind person like that.

So it's the same thing to this culture, Like I believe that everything from our coaches should come from our culture. That's if you watch sports, it should come from Jada Kiss. To watch the news is a couple of Jim Jones. If you watch the motherfucking you know, the podcast is a couple of Drake Checks. You know what I'm saying, y'all take a picture in and wrap it up. Drop drop,