Episode 148 w/ Timbaland

Drink Chance motherfucker Happy Hour makes up? And I don't know if you know, but me introduced uh interviewing producers. It's probably one of my favorite things to do is because the the producers not only have the story of the song, they have the story to make it in the song. So if you guys don't know who I'm talking about right now, when you think of Mrs Elliott, you think of a Leah, you think a genuine wine, you think of there's so many different artists who took

artists and made them great. From the sounds of his stay, I heard that he used to make beat Stu beatbox. I heard he he he has so many people's careers in his hands. He's come from Virginia. He has stayed in this time relevant well over twenty years well and been kicking people's ass and staying here doing what the

funk he gotta do. In case you don't know who the funk I'm talking about, we're talking about Timberland make something that now we want to we wanna this is a hip hop historic show, so we want to take it from the very like beginning by how how did you get your start? Because I heard somewhere that you was a beatbox at first, prior to you actually making beats, So how did you even start beatboxing? Like, you know,

like I think it was. It was a contest. It was back in Virginia, just just um place called Stars I can remember, and I was a beatboxing. I always thought it was, you know, okay, but then it's like my main passion back then was djan And how I got into making beats is the music. You know, like every every season you got a drought season where it's like it's just the music you ain't like, you ain't feeling.

So I'm like, let me just make a beat. And then my mom brought this cassio keyboard, the only extapp for one second, let me try to make it a beat so I can blend my records too, you know what I'm saying. So you have to you have to be very creative back then, and were already severing your beatboxing at that point. I didn't sapping my box. You started doing that. I just had my beat box too.

I got introduced to a studio, you know what I'm saying, And then, you know, really like when I got induce to a sampler that can sample longer than the second. So then it got to the point where I got a sh EPs something like that, a keyboard with sample up to sixteen seconds. So that kind of gave me for one second. Sixteen second back then was like sixteen minutes. So I just took what I had and I was

just passionate about sounds. I love noise. Now. Now now we we recually have Molly mare here, right, and Molly mall alluded to um kind of making the new Jack swing. Yeah he didn't, so he kind of And it made me think of Telly Riley immediately. Riley's relationship to Virginia. What do you think when you hear a person like Marty mar said that he might have been the first person to start New Jackson. I kind of I would

say he's correct. No way, I would say he's almost correct, because when you listen to le Me, like all the big Daddy cane, all the all and all stuff that he did, he had big that he king had. He gave a lot of different bounces, like what is a raw? Raw? Was kind of like the introduction to the New jack swing sound, and he Teddy just took it and enhanced

it and modified it more. But he kind of introduced that because Teddy did produce the show with Douggy Fresh and yeah yeah, so so now now what does Telly Ronny meaning Virginia? Because I guess that was like a man's more. But what did he mean to New York?

He just moved to Virginia from New York, So it was almost like some New jack city and you know, Brown moving into jail, you know what I'm saying, Like, but he was from New York, so it was like Virginia was like we're getting this big time producer from

New York. Like we was more excited about that because he was already already like I mean, he was already yeah, because like I thought, you might have knew him from New York like new from Guy days like that he was in New York, so like we knew but I guess I guess New York wasn't like on it like but we we knew him Virginia like who because it was guy It was Teddy like he was coming to Virginia. So I was like, whoa, where were those dudes from Rex Rex and effects from They was from New York,

from New York, Virginia. They just they just move, They just moved to uh oh man. I definitely didn't know that you'll have any animosity towards New York dudes moving there. It was almost like we did have a little animal it was. It was it was exciting, you know what I'm saying, because we're Commonwealth and getting somebody from the boys getting locked up in media up. It was cool. Yeah, it won't on jealousy. Back it was more like that's Teddy Rock, I guess what people do today, but in

a different form back then. Did you did you be influenced by the New Jack Swing? I think I wasn't I think. I wasn't influenced by the swing. I was influenced by the sonics of the swing, meaning the sound high sounded so crisp, Like, how did he make was once a James Brown bounce from Funky Drummer? Did you get that's like Funky Drummer that he took it and enhanced it and made it more moderate. So it's let's be clear, because not everybody knows the definition of what

new Jack swing was real? What is it to you? What made it new Jack swing? The swing? That's why he had to say, I don't know why they put new Jack to give it a sling, I think, but it was a swing. When James Brown did Funky Drummer, that was a swing. That's why everything about it when you go back into the Funky Drummer, James Brown will do nothing on that was the timing of it was a different like a he fu. He was just he was hitting the pockets to make people, to make the origin,

to make the masses get it. So he didn't he left me think about it, go back into the um Funky Drummer. He I just could imagine them too in the studio right and it's like he walked into a little bobble. I'm just thinking like James Brown, So the studio and the drum, that's all he do on the record is athlete. So when you think about music today, is like it's all about that feeling and that that swing back then was like a new swing to make him.

They made him do that. So when you talk about uh, Eddy Rowley, I don't know Jake so he they found how to write in those pockets of that swing. So that was like a that was the fastest swing the most songs from like Boom Boom that was. So it's like that's making the how do you make a person do this without being corny? You know what I'm saying.

So that's a that's like a whole different swing. Now we have pushed your tea on here and push your tea told us that you for around and no Malice went to the same school seeing that school to no, she was from a noto like another town Portsmouth. Okay, so hold on, I just need to understand this school. And when you're in the same class, it was like, you know, it's just I think it's just like anything

up today. Now would I look back and I look at music up today, I'm like, man, it's the same way, and you don't see it until you get older, and you'll be like, it's no different. You know, God put people together with the same kind of brilliant minds, and you know you connect. You know, it's like y'all too connected.

He he from you from Miami, and people are gonna be like, how it's gonna be some other kids like how to free you be like, damn, it was just It's just it's just supposed to be and for Real was always for real. If I when I look at for Real, it's nothing, nothing to change about him from what I know. So how did you meet Missy? How did how did Missy? Actually a friend of mine introduced When the Missy told Missy that I needed that she needed to meet me, and Missy came to my house

and start doing music, You're like, oh man, he was artist. No, I was just doing beats and she she didn't want that. I was just doing music and she's like, he made dope beats. And I was like when she introduced me to singing over hip hop or hip hop beats, and when she was singing, I'm like, I ain't never heard that before, Like I never heard melodies over the music I was making. And she introduced my ears to somebody

new candy you know before you heard? Yeah, she she the one like it was because I heard she introduced me to singing. You know what I'm saying. I didn't. I was I was more of man tronics. Uh trial call quests were fanatics and try call quest. What I'm saying. So, so, who'd you meet first, Missy Aaliyah? It's like, I feel like you're speeding right now, man, Like I know, because I'm just saying I want you know why Virginia is. History is so rich and a a lot of people don't

don't know that history like history. Yeah, So, like who was the first one that you met that wasn't a star at the time, but later on you realized as a star. You know what I don't. I think we just love music. I think when you love something, it's gonna take you what you It's gonna make you who you are. Like I think about it, when you made what what what? What? What? Was it? You didn't know? You just know the feeling of like I know this, this feels big for me, and you know, I think

that nobody knew who was gonna be a star. We just love music and we was dedicated through through thick and thin, and I think that's what made and then music once you love it in a determined where your place should be in it, you know what I'm saying. I felt like Virginia connected all of us and we was the chosen ones out of that batch of probably that Commonwealth area. I look at it like lottery ticket. You know what I'm saying. Who's gonna be the lottery person?

You know what I'm saying. And Virginia was a part of history. It was someplace that people never expected. Now, look look what we advanced to Toronto, Cleveland. Now we're like, you know, it's but we was like the first of the Mohegans being from Commonwealth and in Virginia, it was it was kind of um weird for us because y'all was like East Coast. Yeah, it was weird. It was

that I heard from Virginia that was killing it. And I was gonna say him, he was the first, But I'm not gonna say, like, you know, everybody to be a star, you know, like that, that's that's up to music. But he loved music, you know what I'm saying. And he did do a lot of successful things that put Virginia on the map. And I feel like he was a part of that whole, that whole chemistry, Like he was the one who kind of like jumped out first to me, what was the first major record that came

from Virginia? But it was like yo, you was like we got something now, we had nothing we want like that, I'm gonna tell you, Like it was come on and look, man, have you seen Hustle and Flow? Okay, Like when you look at Hustle and Flow, you just think about it, like, bro, you ain't think about, no, what's a hit? You're thinking about I'm trying to get out? Like we weren't thinking like you know, this is a hit. It was more like we're getting recognized more than anything, you know what

I'm saying. We're getting the job, we're getting out. We our passion is getting looked at. It's not it's not taking for granted. And I think that was the beauty of us because we put in a lot of work and that work was accepted. You know what I'm saying. I think everybody wants that on Earth. Wants to be accepted. What was the first record you worked on? And he was like, this is it for you? Because all of us does it for a hobby at first, right, all

of us we love music. Most of us will still do it if he wasn't getting paid or not, but we wouldn't do it as much as we would. But it was the first record where you did, and he was like, this is this is it? I'm done, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna bury myself with this. And I don't think it's no record, you know what, cause I'm always trying to outdo myself. Okay, I'm trying to say I need to. I feel like I'm just beginning because

that record and I feel and you're right. And the reason the reason I feel like that, I watched the Quincy Jones documentary twice. I ain't watch it yet. Ahead, please school, I'm not I'm no in there close as he said his second his second or something like that. But the thing is we look at the times win. So I look at what I've done in the past was a great It was like my first Harry Potter book, so that I need to create the next chapter. So hold up, one second had Let's see what the homies

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I know how to keep jabbing. And then Swiss Cade he had his run, and then it's like I gotta say, Okay, let me come back. I gotta figure out how to because he switched the whole swing. It was harder back then, but it's I say, back then was like a a more challenge I was coming, you know, I was ready for this, this era where I'm facing. When I said I'm just beginning, it's just like when you look at Quincy Jones, man he went from Frank Sinatra to this.

It's just a challenge. And I feel like I'm just starting because this erab music is totally different from what I'm used to so but it's not. But it's music and I love music. So I feel like I'm just and the way technology is, I'm just starting to crack the code because I couldn't do what I can do now. Back then, I had to have to have to go research, I had to go do I had to really go put in a lot of work to get a lot of those sounds. And now all of that is available

to me in the laptop. So now it's like, Okay, I'm challenging the clip like people on the fruity loops. It's like I'm challenging. It's like a game. It's like I gotta be the Fortnight. I gotta be that guy. I gotta be the guy. I gotta be all the teenagers, you know what. I gotta oh, that's the new you know, that's the way of music. Music is colors now. First it was all about field people playing the room, and now I'm trying to get this generation with that same

kind of vibe, but with the computers. You know what I'm saying, I'm doing that. So it's like I'm really just beginning, because my my beginning now is more than just producing, is teaching. The youth of the generation is about to come like, Okay, this is what we got to make music with. I don't we come for you know, playing with everybody, you know how easily getting person to play. But now it's like kids making sample packs and it's like, okay,

well let's do it together. And so they've never been introduced to that, so it's like taking. So for me, I feel like my generation wasn't like my fifthy My fifthy age could be teaching and producing and inspiring the next nine year old on the computer and seeing the genius and him. You know what I'm saying. It's just so I feel like I'm just beginning. You know, based on that what you're saying, do you think the age

of and this is just hip hop? Because it could be in every genre the age of the Super Producers over because it was like the superdu just swiss. It was you. That's a good question, I feel like and that made years. I feel like it ain't over. I feel like it's just it's just a little bit more hard to work. This is different. They're just like I gotta crack of cold. It's like it's like a video game. It's just like I gotta crack some codes because it's

everything is cold. But let me ask the question. You actually is over for like no over like specifically like like like like I feel like I haven't seen that bubble in the last five years. Who do that? I don't know, but I like who did ty? You see the fact that y'all even questioning it? Yeah, but right now he did what else he does? He did ship, he did me good producers, But to me producers, I think I think I think it's I think it goes to like I don't know, like I'm I look at

it like like a game man. That's all about styling. Now, like your production is like your tag gotta feel right like I get it now, like I feel like I'm nineteen. I'm like you got the computer, you can dress your ship up so crazy that, like, ment know what I'm saying, It's like you ain't thinking about that tag coming. You know who you got right take up? You know, it's like it's already set. That's like the whole new way

of producing. But we have to figure out how to introduce that ship to make them like yo, Nigga, y'all, y'all tack do you know, like when you did a lending on the track, like Nigga y'all gotta stand proud with that ship like that, And I feel like that's the way of us really kind of identifying who's that next to producing and then we gotta say, okay, now you gotta go put that same tag on area on the grand day and made me feel like, you know

what I'm saying, that's where the trick come in. You know, yeah do that. So it's like, you know, it just takes somebody like a coach, which you should be me or barrel or clients, like all right, now murder do this like murder on him beating man. It's like hit every like he picked the right tone for when the ain't away drop. It just feels right. So it's like you don't go by and be like it's a different

way of judging producing. You know what I'm saying. It's like you can kind of like package your ship so cool. You know what I'm saying. It's like the first producer that uh we saut to you other than your camp because you know you have worked inside the camp. You had the genuine y that to live up. Who was the first person the outside your capital was huge because he was like, get your funk out of head, jay Z jay Z said, jay Z had a party. He was like, yeah, I want to I want to work

with you. And the first all we did was what and I did this beat and he was like, I ain't. He's spend to wrap him in, motherfucker. Want to add lowcom at you? I said, oh, so I'll put my headphones on and I said, He's like, you're done. See back then, won't they won't no clicking? You know, I want to computer to me actually playing feeling it. So I was playing it and then he was like you're done. I'm like it's five minutes. You know that was that was because you know it's it's it's a keyboard. So

you like the day the way he done. So he's walking around. You know, I played it and he did his rat this like I heard his cadence and I made that beat to bounce to what I heard. So might I have a photographic memory when it comes to sounds and sonics and melodies enough, that's only that. So with music, I can kind of memorize anything. And that was the first thing. He was like the first and I was like, he kind of introduced me to he

kind of his tone he did. That made me step my game up because I'm like, whoa, because it was me, missy, all of us. So that was the first person from the like the outside. You know what I'm saying, And what jay Z is this? Now? This is is this? Um, I don't know it's this it's this throwback jay Z? He went, he went giants Jersey's what's jay Z? I think that? Well, yeah, I don't know, mm hmm right, okay, but I gotta hold jay Z section so like this,

that's what I'm trying to give up this question into it. No, no, I'm trying to figure out with We'll come back to that. But that's what that was. That was that was the prime. Okay, So when you got this call from Justin Timberlake. Right. He was fifteen though, so it's not like you know what I'm saying. It was like fifteen, So it was like he was fifteen and there people reached out. He was like, y'all like your music man, and like he's

about like maybe the sixteens ever seen we did? And then um, because I got the studio had heard that Justin had fell out with Farrell or something like that or so, I don't think nobody never falls out. I just think that. I just think that you know, in life, you know, as we go back and look at it, I just it's just sometimes misunderstandings, all business could be just misconstrued or misinterpreted. So that's all I think that happened on that moment. It wasn't like he wasn't not

using for real. He was always working, but he was fifteen, but he was down with the he was but he was like breaking a breaking huge he was breaking. How was he did? Done? He was that's for the Mickey Mounth Club. So he so, so you don't so he's not justin you saying this is that's what trying to establish the point, Like yeah, so he was. He didn't it's not like the same. You know, Like when we got in the room when we did cry me the rim and all the crazy red, we thought he was black.

You sucked us up for a minute. He was like, who is this black? I think? But then we realized the Mickey Mouse Club. Holy no, no, no, no no, I don't think it was me. I'm not gonna take the credit for me and to do the thing y'all think he was black because he had so it was the song that he put out in sync that uh whatever, And I was like, who the AGAs? And that's when

they got That's when they got everybody attention. And it was him right that he was like the first like other than calling me bad, calling me bad, say they had they had like eight months before we knew yesterday these dudes ain't white. And Justin was the new version of that. I mean, it was, it was, it was, It was. It was evolution man like music to E ball because we just want through parts of the dope artist.

And yeah, like he was dope and sometimes you know, got a line of things the way it should be aligned, you know, and him we just had we we got we brothers and we got chemistry, right we just got chemistry, you know, like chemistry. Chemistry can only be how can I say it? Chemistry can only be not You can tell when the person if they if we o was singing mean like if I got stuff going on in my life, he got stuff going on. Like we love music, but the music ain't gonna come out right. You get

what I'm saying. Because we all, I think when we're going that studio, we'd be aligned. Like everything that's on the outside it is on the outside and everything when we when we see each other, me and justice each other is let's put out foot on nigga's throats. You know, let's put out foot on their throats. You know, just let's let's let's let's let's let's just make this crazy music. What was your favorite studio session ever? The studio? Man?

Like how you you're asking me this question? You're just saying, what's your favorite stud studio back then? Like come over come, Yeah, it's just a mad of that's going to the studio. That's true, you know, because people will come in what

you had in Virginia and all of yourself. I think, so only y'all I'll be in there, Like you know what the fun everybody, but being in there like but that's the point, so you can't say back then, I steal sessions meant something because there was adventurous, like you don't know, you know what I'm saying, you know it was it was wow, man, I still your sessions was the thing. It was like the studio. It won't like

what's your favorite studio session? It was born like we're going to the studio, like if people were studio hot, like it was a club like I've ever ready to go to what's the studio? Jay had that Beanie was all base everybody like it'd be like that was the whole. Yeah, it was. It wasn't hit back there. Then they had Sony Up, it's crazy. That's what they hold. They ever made a beat from somebody and um, they didn't do exactly what you wanted them to do, and he was

disappointed in the record. Is it shot time? Tipling? I feel like it's shot time? You know what? I never meant that. I'm like, I don't know because the beat won't letting them make something crazy. Talking about like the beat won't let you make something crazy, like it's gonna tell you like you just staying because my beast of, my best are disrupted. My beast of, Like it's uncomfortable. That's about that. I hear somebody tell me your beat

for your first I don't know how to bob. Somebody tells you like it's so crazy, like it's a bob, but it's just throwing me off. So back then, it's like it was a new bound, so people was trying to find a new bound. So it won't Hey, the track will let you know that you lost. I'll tell you one artist that you brought the sound out of them and in such a remarkable way. I had never seen this. I was a big fan of this artist.

His name is Pastor Troy. Yeah, Pastor Troy had this big underground following people from New York with away because people from New York wouldn't travel outside. I had these beasts. I would rhyme on down South beat, so I would

get Down South shows and I didn't know why. And it was this artist called Passortroy, and he would come out and he was like, I ain't gonna understand, you ain't gonna play with yet we were that and he was like he would perform this song seventeen times and not one person would say, you did that are like he was just you know, and then when you did that record with him, it was like it was the first time any producer like even try to uh to

give him up a worldwide sound. Did you feel like that because that was like, to me, that was his illess record he ever made. I just did me what he made? You want to work with him because he was super, super underground at the time, That's what I'm about to say that, Like, I feel like you got to see that's the problem. Like, you know, I didn't know if I was like to Pete the world kind of let me know, you know what. But I'm still from the South, so it's like that's what was out.

I was attracted to all things with different flows spars. You killed it with was the first group that shocked me that me and Missy was a cruicial conflict. Crucial co Yeah, I see, like we we loved all that type of stuff. So passing trolley right up my alley, right up my alley. Anyway, why you never signed him, I don't know. I think he was already signed like back then, and I won't think about my business music man, you know, but he was dope. We made good records.

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get a little deep right now. Your relationship with so, your relationship with Scott Storch Scotty, Yes, that's my boy, because it was your boy. But at one point it got a little shaky. I mean, nor, come on, I mean right, and when I look at because I look at music today, I look at you know who I was yesterday, and I'm like, that's just called yeah, that's

just called not its blunts. But all right, cool, it's his ninety conversation and we're gonna put up pair of free lives later to come on, come on, were just young, you know what I'm saying. We were just young, that's ego. Was it competition or was it like brother just compe its brothers? But it was competition. But it's like you got and I realized that you gotta do that. You have to do that to really like say it for me and you. I have to get into a zone

like that to challenge you else I'm not. I'm like, damn, that's my homeboy. You know what high pos do that, that's my big you know what I'm saying. So when I look back at it now, I'm like, that's why I don't do that battling and beef because I can't mentally psyche myself out. And I know I'm gonna go back with like, yeo, man, why I would lose crazy? You know what I'm saying, Like that, that takes a

lot out of somebody. So I think back there, we're just being young because we work together way and passive, you know. But um so, what do you think things like that happened in the hip hop game? Because I remember y'all as brothers at first correct started all this. I just think I just think maybe, you know, maybe I got jealous. Oh, I don't think I got jealous. I think it was the entourage telling Oh I heard, and I'm already probably slightly probably like going to Scott stories.

You know what I'm saying, that's that's a part of job. I'm seeing the studio in the in the hip factory from not Kac and you having your talk Pats to the left, and Scott having his Scott was on fire at one point, you know what I'm saying. He was. He was on fire. I just don't remember you never not being on fire. That's the reason why I was like, no, it's always a moment. You're not on fire as you

do it. Because what happens and now I can take you the promise after because what Scott was on five there was it was people, it was artists in my session, and when Scott pulled up, they left to go to his session. Wow. So it's kind of like like a notification. Let you know, like he that it's like that new chocolate ball, that new whatever that knew nothing that new news, like that new refragator. But like, and then it kind of makes you mad because then when you like remind

people like, don't come over here. And now I told you you know what I'm saying, So you have to realize that that just that just humans humans gonna We're gonna always flock to what others say is great and kind of throw us off balance. And what I've learned is, you know, you gotta stay true to who you are.

You know what I'm saying. Don't let that you don't throw me off, you know, throw you off off your game because you know it's always gonna be the next man on the block, the next person on the block that you know, you can't run things and be the guy to everybody go to. It's always a new sound. And what happens is where everybody go to you, you're thinking you're the only one. And that's what got in

my head. And when the Scott and I'm like, he came up on to me, you know what I'm saying, like those are things those that's the other man running into my head. So that gave me the competitive spirit. But to say but then that that was just in my head. What kind of took it over the top is the enter. Oh this person said, oh, Scott, yeah, he said this, so what you know, it kind of fed the ego to like, I'm a real producer. You just a piano man, you know what I'm saying. So

it kind of led. It kind of led to that, you know, because I already had that other demon in my head about you know, that's all you need is that push over the edge to make you be like, oh, that's it, but you really don't. We're young, so I'm not trying to research and be like, wait, manute, this is my man, Like I might be tripping over there, you know what I'm saying, Like, let let me go

get some wound. Listen to somebody else, he says. He say, I didn't get to the game to listen to he says, he say, but but what's the history there though, because I didn't even know that he came up under you in a sense, like I know he used to mess with the roots and all that I met him, like Dr Drake kind of like introduced d is the big Yeah, like he's like Jedi, So you know we're people tapping into him for him to be Yeah, he was dope. Scott.

Scott got a realm that nobody don't have. All right, all right, Scott to attack a beat totally different from anybody else, without attack a beat his soul in his body, he would go down. When I watched the Quincy Jones special, he is one of those white guys. It's gonna go down going the old dudes like wow, because Quincy had a lot of white dudes. That was some bad white ron timperture I didn't. He was one of the illests. And so when you look at Scott's storch, he can

go that's one of the illness. So that's just a matter of ego yet in the place. But we really didn't have on beef beef. Yeah, I knew that. It was one of the things that finished, Um, that fixed your relationship with seeing how bad he went as far as the drugs go. And you know he's been on here, he's talked about it on here, this very show. So um, it's not I mean, I didn't know, I know the job, but like he live in life, so I won't even

thinking about that. I was thinking, like why they're going to Scott stood you know what I'm saying, Like I'm the man you thinking about fixed the relationship like after I think I think just because of who I am as a person and who we is, that's like that's not us. You know what I'm saying. All we did is a matter of just talking. And all we did

just talk and we was cool. Right. So now speaking of school, the one thing I always see about you just you always give Dr Dre his probs, Like no matter what I'm told, height that hight the height of you know, you know, ain't nobody better Drake Man. And and and then and that's what you think you think that's got your face a good town? You mean that like like I can tell the producer level what is it exactly? People be trying to be like dot, don't you do it?

That's like that's like you can't put put you back And I'll still trying to. I just know he's just super du trying to like damn you get to keep the sound like that, you know, like damn man, Like he's still amazing me and he doing so It's like we are like in a lot of ways, like we like to be home, you know what I'm sayings the music, we don't go out like he's just like he the best,

Like he it's like people. I think people would similar personalities, be attractive and be more amused by some someone and like themselves. So the first day you met Dr Dre, first time you met Dr Dre, let's take it Mr Lei first, dingy and describe a situation like how how does that? You know what? I can't even call you? You called down. I don't even know. I just I just thank God that he invited me into his presence.

And you're in the scope to at the time. Yeah, but I see here go being young and then it's like I can't even talk about them because I didn't know how to digest it. Then, you know what I'm saying. And now when I look back at it, I'm like, yo, I was kicking it with doctor. Really, You're like I made it. I was like you right here with you have been to bres seat too, So you know what I'm saying. You know you're not looking at it like, but I still was amazed, Like I said, not how

to take it in? Now know how to take it in. And I can give you what I felt, what I thought I felt back then, and what I thought I felt back then was this is motherfucking doctor. Drake Dr Dre like Dr Dre's my Quincy Jones. Well, because when I talked with Jones, I always say, people sho be like man like Jay, like be that Quincy Jones. And I get why Jay said, you know, produce for me and be mak us you know, give us that you know, give ja like be the young Quincy like he should

try to preach that to me all the time. And being in young Quincy is making smart moves, like when you got a beautiful record, you gotta know where to place that beautiful record, not be stubborn and caught in your ways and be like, oh that's my record. You gotta Quincy. You don't know how to place beautiful music with beautiful people. And Dr Dre was the god of wrap. Say that I know New York No, no no. When he touched rap, he made rap sound. He made it

sound so clean like he actually mixed. He did not brag about it, he did not talk about it other people talk. So to hear word with not to drink people like he's going to speak. And that's how I was because I want to know, like yo, how you mix that drum, how you get the drum sound so obviously he was a fan of n w A. All right, yeah,

that goes without saying so now let now listen. So now look on n w A. Um, there's a line where easy he says, Ice Cu rites the rhymes that I say, point blanks, straight out frivously says it it missed to it. So what that was there? Nowadays? People the screwed I don't know if that's a word screwed. They flipped on Drake for the same exact thing. And

here's one of the greatest groups of all time. What is the difference between that Timperland being Okay, so you asking me the Lucien Fox, So you asked the guy who prot finds the superstars with the superpowers. Because I heard that, We've heard it. So I think Drake told you I'm I'm resilient for real. People need to really look at what that word resilient means. I don't know what that means for me and I really don't either looking up, But that word so brilliant, and I can

what does he say? I mean he could like he could withstand anything basically, okay, like and said that's how I took it. So when I said, wow, when I looked it up. It said that, and more so when you look at Drake, he's like, yeah, okay, he's like Black Panther. I don't know where you're gonna How did Black Panther come in in the world? It was a shock? Right, didn't shock you by stomp? What did it do? A building? Like the movie? Listen to the character. Listen to the character.

The character, he's like a new character. He's like the Okay, what I'm trying to say, He's like the equivalent to Black Panther. He came in out of nowhere, and but you worked through them earlier, very very early, so he was already in the bill to where he was about to be. So what I so you asked me the question of why they trip it because he's the next biggest thing. How many times they trip on jay Z? It's just the topic of gold right and all that.

But music is music? Why do I don't know? Like I guess I'm not a rapper, and I tell people I can't really I look at rappers like Avengers of movie. Character like, who's the next character? He to me is like the next Black Path. That's why I say Black Path. You're I look at like he came in like people gonna try to pick apart or he didn't do this why he got the necklace. So it's like he's that new character. You know what I'm saying that he's great at what do he do? He do it with so

much class, so much pride. I mean, you know, but when I say you worked through them early on, you worked at them really really mixtape, I mean, how did you know? How did you like? How does the do like you even know? That's not all mean, that's like that's you. I'm gonna tell you that's that's that's being around eight jedies and then that Jedi. The other Jedi was jay Z. Jay Z knew he know because you did together, you and Jed. I'm off that was the first record, but he knew when he knew was that

the first record? Though I'm on point at my own point. When I'm on point, God damn, I'm get like now I'm getting hype, now come on and get shot that and talking about I don't know what the earth, But I just know that jay Z knew he was the next one. Just like he called fifty six wait wait wait, wait to meet j J called this is a lot you're giving us right now. Stay stay on, Drake for now. I'm even gonna go back to please remind us to go back. So did what did he say? He said,

he's just like me. He said, I'm putting this young this young boy, the kid from Canada like this young boys. And it's early. It's not like it's already got about when you When I go back and listen to him, he's one of us. He's a genius to me. You know what I'm saying, Jake. The way Jay articulate things, the way he talks, the way he strategized life, where he moved even his braves. Now you know what I'm everything. I mean, he's just honest, got twist. Now, I love

it because Ja like a black eystyle. Let's make some noise. Fact, jay Z. He look like a black eyestein. Little people like the culture. That's what he's he looked like. And he's music. He's like he's like a mote. He's like Einstein to music. That's what I said, baby, And he he is. He's so brilliant and it's like he knows somebody else he knows. He's a separate elliot. Jay Z's a separate he knows who fit in his alien group.

But but let's take it so hid when he heard Drake he said off that he probably said no bump off that he heard Drake before. You're like, oh, he's special. I mean, come on, he got j Cole. Yeah, which is crazy because for him to have seen that, he saw that super okay smart. It took a minute for

Jacob to really he smart. He knows smart people because like but he but like, that's why when I go to jail, I play him somebody is smart and like he that's I know he because because when he just I guess he knows how they are as a person when he hears them rap. I feel like I tried to say, well, how do you know this person is gonna be big? I guess when you hear the rap, you can hear the who that person is and um in their rap, you know what I'm saying. Like, but

then today's wrapped. You'll be shocked because you'll find somebody doing something that did. You might like, no, this poor is crazy, but then you go to talk to him. He wanted the smartest kids, and you'd be like, wow, music has definitely did the flip floppers. But he is the leader of this generation. Um he is. He is like the leader. He can go like he's the o G like three kids like he is that guy. Big up my man, forty, big up Drake, goddamn big up

my Canada. Niggers pick up most of my other nigger name Belly know the other dude for this that one I know, belly chops chops. Um, he picked them up. Man. I love to see O G s, especially the O G slash veterans giving. Yeah, this is this is a tradition for the show, just for the show. Listen. I don't know if you know, don't listen work. I don't know if you know all the hip hop shows, they just they listen at our hip hop show, we celebrate

all legends. We give them their flowers when they could smell them, give them their thoughts when they can tell them you get a need, drinks where they can take them, they can take him. So goddamn. That's definitely different. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I hated every time y'all gave me some ship man ship. The terrible commination Young so Jorans first album, Jenior Wants first album, Junior wants not on correct these people come to you and says, I

need to understand how it's about that. Let me break this down. Okay, I'm back then, I am young. I am enjoying the moment. I don't know ship about why and what. I didn't know. We had a run, let's keep it running. And you know what I'm saying, like, if if I know what I know now, I would have been like, wait man, wait man, we got something, y'all. We gotta focus because we got we got it by people talking about it. But we were so glad to be It was like it's almost like slavery, dude, like

common Well, we were from Virginia. To be accepted was the biggest thing into not you know, you could be accepted and then be thrown back into the bushes. So we were trying to stay afloat. We weren't thinking like this sound. We just know we had a sound that was different and we knew that people it would make people uncomfortable, but you enjoyed later. That's what we knew. That's what you went in to. That we had a sound. Back in Rochester with Davante, we all had a sound.

We was a crew. We had a sound about jod C. Yeah, yeah, how did that? How did that? Let's let's let's stack one first. He came from that so but he's from Virginia to this jod C from DC South bast but it's all close. It's right there. Yes, it's next day. It's pretty it's pretty clol South. You don't don't do that. I thought that's new disrespect Southeast d C with j Beach.

So it's not safe to say Baltimore as well. Throw it on the that you're gonna say Baltimore O d C. They're it's gonna be it's we Baltimore, we be more we d C. It's just it's no B. But it's just like, don't put you know. So so so here you're gonna say Brooklyn and Queen you know say no, we're Brooklyn. Well, if I'm from Miamie, I'm gonna say it's like York, I'm just saying no. You gonna say no, no, Liberty City is Liberty City. No, no, no over town

And you can't tell me that in Miami. And I'm gonna divide it up from is that what I'm saying? Like k mac did man it's like, but everybody was listening to Go Go in those areas. I guess go Go Google. I connected all y'all because we don't have the Miami to listen to go North Carolina, North Carolina. How the hell jo to see Devonte? How did you? Missy? Missy?

Missy was in a group called phay Z and Missy I was a producer for fa Z. So Missy met Devonte in the backstage, you know, like, this's this the luck of a draw. She met them, she played the music. Davante flew them up to Jersey. They said she wanted to fly the producer up. He said, cool. I came up there and I stayed up there my sound. So you're working with Devonte, working with them, and they introduced you to Genuine yep, because he met Genuine the same

way through a concert. So genuine I mean, so Devonte actually built my crew. Think about it? I had static before Static Distatic Major who wrote Lollipop for a Little White he wrote try again. So Devonte really kind of like, it's funny, I gotta work because the Bonte built a crew for himself when it was actually for me. Do you think about it? Because he didn't work with no th it was me. Wow, But he found all the talent for me. So he found who was the talent?

Genuine static missy. Um. Yeah, that's enough, that's more. It's all right. So how did this happen? I did Mistand I don't know, man, I'm just I just told you when nutshells like I was a guy under the missy, Missy brought me in like you do, like y'all gotta do the math like that. It's just it's the universe, man, how it's meant to be. You know what I'm saying, Like I could be on this show and from this show A thousand producers called me or this person called

me the inhibition man. It's like, it's what it is, and that's what. And DeVante brought somebody, he built something and which was posted probably be for him. I wind up doing all the records for them. So what was How was it like working with Ginia wacause you didn't know he wasn't like Virginia like working with us. I thought, right, well, it's a putting. He put us together. You know what I'm saying. What I'm saying, DeVante is building a squad

for himself, but he actually building it for me. I'm the guy who's doing a hundred beats to night. So they're coming in the studio. Yeah, I'm in the studio from Virginia. I ain't got no studio. I'm having a ball and I got a call to Yeah, I'm having a ball. So I'm knocking beats out there in there with me. I'm building, I'm creating the sound. M dare you have it? And did as curls back then, I don't know. I think because I wanted I'm trying to

picture the studio seeing. Yeah, I'm trying to vat you like, did you ask girls? Didn't? I only introduced the videos. I was like, yo, I just wanted to make a record and give my mom a three thousand dollars. I ain't know about nothing about no video. When that stuff came out, I was fun onto, like, oh man, people don't real. Okay, I'm a country boy. I was like, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm like, dude, you know the hell I'm like, Okay, that's cool, that's dope. Okay,

I'll made some crazy records. Okay. Now, now you just did a battle with Swiss Speeds. We didn't do the battle yet, but it was somewhat of a battle. Some of it's called Instagram talk. What would you call call called I talk? That was wanted the derivative of drink champs. Oh yeah, that started on this. Yeah that started here. I don't know if you know that. That's cool. It didn't start here. It ain't the same whole whole thing. Maybe sho maybe should begin here, that's what That's what

I'm saying. He didn't start. I felt like you. I felt like when we seem the actual battle, I felt like it was unfair, even though I'm from New York. I felt it was unfair because you know, he was playing a lot of New York records with New York artists, because that's just a summer jam. Correct. So um, how did you feel about that? I thought you had fun. You was out there having fun. But yeah, that's how I thought was. I mean, we played a lot of it. We couldn't. I think it was me and Swiss look

at it like this. It's not a battle. It's a reminder, don't ever forget who we are. And Swiss speaks like when people might have doubted, oh he ain't got none or people say, oh Timbo gud dudes, no, no, no, no no, I'm on stage with my friend. He's my friend. We had just as much accolles, but it's just it's me. So when we play songs back to back, it gave people a reminder. I don't think people knew how to

judge it. It won't no judge and people like people like, damn we played that Beyonce after Yeah he did that. It was more of a remind Does that play with the Game of Thrones? You know what I'm saying, Like we could go all night and it's like people don't realize the history that we had. Would you do that with for Frol that's my brother. Of course, we can't wait to play records because to us it is like it could never be a battle, but the battle will be.

People will always judge it as That was my last question. Without doing I's gonna because he he has to set up the summons, but always at the table and say him yeah, like he like, you know, what, what's that movie? What's the Warlocks? And he'll be like the speller, like you know, I love the respect he shows. Dr Dreke What it would it wouldn't be a battle, will be fun. It'll be chess like pawn like chess. Like we're playing songs.

It's like checkmate. Besides Dr Dre, if you was to go head to head with anybody else in this game, would you ever be worried? Like besides Dre like worried Like it's like song for song, I don't okay, So it's it's two different legacy, say Teddy Wiling. Let's say, uh, track for track. You know what I think when I think it's healthy for all of us to do that, You know why, because it really lets you know how

far you really come and how you know. It lets you know your beginning of your journey and where it's really like a self a self moment thing where you'd be like I quit. Then you'd be like, damn, my ship was I thought it was just longer. It won't that long. It's kind of like a reflection of who you are. But you know what I'm saying, Like when I when we play our music and our heads and be like, man, why I stopped here? You know that's how I look at it. Somebody might look at it different.

I would get like that was it that I'm not even listening to other dude that they play right like two oh man, I gotta pick it up, like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I'm saying. That's how I look at it, is like the journey must continue, you know. He's like, look how I thought we came and see if we're still relevant right now? How are working with Little Wayne? The Wayne right now

has uh quarterfi quarter fly. Um. I'm gonna be honest, I've never seen somebody take off this long come back and his fans stay right there like they were right there like ready to line up, and just like I've never seen it. Like you know in this game, you take, you take two and a half years off those ACCCO is in your bad spot. I mean you're talking about young money. Yeah, I know that you're talking about Nicki Minaj, but even Eminem. Let's let's look even Eminem like I'm

gonna go back here. They came back and hearing me definitely not. I'm doctor darre can put the record out right now and people don't go crazy. Certainly it's gonna be his fan base because of what he left, Like Little Wayne left a mark, right I just think little Wayne's on the Wayne. Then he got, then he he signed, he signed the he signed the next person in this generation to be like him, which is Drake or Nicki Mina like those. He got two heavy hitters that keep

him alive. Like it's not about him rapping sometimes, it's about the decisions he made, like you know, look at look what he look. I'm telling you, I'm great. He's great, She's great, And y'all paid attention. So it kept you, It kept you, It kept Wayne on your mind when when he didn't do nothing, I mean he blessed man. He got a gift. Wayne, gotta he can wrap right now. Um, I wanted to say this to the very end and then guy, I'm gonna get into my whole questions and

then we're gonna go wrap it up. But so, how did you initially meet Eliah? Because I know we spoke about her in the beginning, Like how was my lawyer Louise West at that time, my lawyer was Louise West. She introduced the families to each other, which was Aliyah's family with you know uncle Mike, he rest in peace, he passed away. Um, that was the introduction. There was Louise West. How was the Craig Craig Coleman, Craig Coleman. Yeah, it was Louise West and Craig Coleman. Craig, Craig get

the man and create no music. Man, He's gonna find a way to dig yourself like he if he if, he gonna know now, he's gonna figure out. He gonna figure out what's hot now. He was a DJ. He was a serious DJ. So Craig got he got good ear is man, he got great ears, and Craig had I had a sound. He introduced us made the link. But it was Louisa gave Creig the demo of me and Missy to play Poor Leah that Leah Like. And then those sessions and see's from Detroit Detroit and y'all Lincoln, Virginia, Detroit,

Oh yeah, Lincoln Detroit. Yeah, and your first session was my first session we did records. But then out of that first session came one of a million, and then the second session came if your girl only knew Wow, the first and second s the first session can't want the million, which is crazy, meaning that that won the first song in the first meaning like before we left

we did one in the million. Okay, so we did other songs prior to won't like that was like, I'm not trying to make myself like no superhero like I just the first song I did one a million that was at the You don't think that's in the first session made won the million. That's enough by but you know what I'm saying. Then the second one was if you girls in there, all right? Cool? Now you've got like a triple album with jay Z. I've looked so when I do interviews, we we pull up everything. So

you got you got the list. I'm gonna just name out some certain songs. You just tell me these certain sessions with you and Jams right during off show. This is this is one of them. All you can watch out on the Black album. Come on, no, we told you in the movie. No, this is a millennials. This is what new millennials right now. We gotta you want to see it on the Black people never see him on here. So there your shows. How did this come about? It?

Just like all that thing, I mean, let's post these fourteen year olds who listened to us, who don't listen to these motherfucker's. But it's on the movie. I'm gonna tell you to same thing in the movie like I wanted. He came down. It was the exact I had to beat. Uh huh. I knew that beat was five and there it was. And the beauty about that that was the first time he captured the moment that can't be explained on film, and you can watch it the old Phil

I don't know every time watchar timilar fans. You don't explave to these people, the dumb fans. The Blade the Black the Black, it's on the movie. You want for albums four four four on of fans. They're kind of slow fans, come on, just continued, I don't think that's his first album, not just Fade the Black, Fade the Black. That movie kind of he captured. So it's like he it was the perfect time and said, look when people have can go shore, I said, watch paper they on.

He asked me about that, said, man, I watched Fade to Black Man we went Darrell show. I said, day, thank you, because I got this play. It's on camera. Everything is caught on camera, and people want to know more. It's like, no more, Okay, then how about big pimping you g K because at this time it's definitely not known in the New York area. Maybe Okay, it's gonna

be real short and so goodhead cool. That was a track I was saving for Tim and Magoo me being sharpers and because I'm thinking I was on my I was on my sharpness right, and I was like, this ship bigger than me, this ship bigger than you, bigger than me. I told him when he's walking he's about to leave studio, I told him, and man, I gotta be don't want to play. I don't want to play it for you, but he took him before heats the studio.

I'm like you, I don't want to play the beat for you, but I know it's for you, so I'm gonna play. So I played he take off his jacket, hip hop take off day Jack's like, oh, J face lit up and hip hop with it, say big him and Do said we're on something, and Jay said, I see the mark was automatic that you came would be on that record or now at that point that track. J took time with that track. He didn't do this like Hi, jay Z do it. This was he took

his time with that record. And you can tell because look at what it's so weve got sued over this ship? How did that lawsuit ended up? Just production? You know, I don't like the brag, but you know, like you know, we walked out of there. You know, I just believe that it was good. It was good. But you know what I'm saying, because it was I just think the injury of the song. It was not done in the malice. Wait, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't like we was

trying to get over. I paid you know what I'm saying. The sample. Yeah, it's like I paid you that I don't know I paid. So that's how I paid whatever. There you go, and then they tried to come back afterwards. Yeah, you know it's beauty. It the song is beautiful. Man Like when something is so beautiful, you know you're gonna it's always gonna be evil around the corner, you know what I'm saying. So that song is beautiful, and you

know it was made out of love. It's like when jay Z did that, I saw the love in his face to track put a smile on his face, Like I saw that this was that one for him. You know what I'm saying. I saw like this what's gonna make can think? Like I know, jay Z's a he's a person who likes to read. If he if he ever texts you the way he texts, he's very short, so smart. He texts you he's I'm telling you man, he's like John Q. I'm telling you now, Holy ground. He only called me. I was in New York. Dream

had the hook already. He he wanted me to remake the beat and I did. I did my part. I didn't Lucien's Fox he wanted. He called me into upgrade the equipment. That's what this did, like a little bit the same you know im same dream had. Dream gave me all the two. She said, this is what you got. I said, all right to me up leave a little my my hard drive. Whoop, whoop. There it is and me not just me by myself. Jerome Jay Rock. He was great. He called it. He was like my side partner.

He was my you know, not not gonna say my assistant. And I like to say my partner because at that time he was my partner. And he when I needed assistant on this particular project. I'm gonna when he happens to uh, I wanted to uh. I needed some keys. He knew how to elevate, so he was a great partner at that time. Okay, now I'm gonna go on more. Is that your bitch? I think that's a I had that track and I gave it to Puff originally, but ye time, what I think I think I gave it

to I was. I believe it was a Puff but Puff Daddy, Yeah, I believe, I think so. But he turned that down. He didn't turn it down. I think he was late. I think maybe I might have been just playing music to be playing and jay zs just held at me. You know. That was like but when he did the rap, It's like, oh man, he fitted did you call Puff and tell him it's a rap? Yeah? I mean, how did you do that? How did that phone go out? Did the record just come out? That

was a messy system way because I I didn't. That was the first thing, like, oh man, what do I do? You know what I'm saying. But that wasn't me being young and naive and not understanding the ethics of business and jumping the gun, you know, And I learned my lesson. Nothing major happened, But just like I don't like to have confusion, and music. I don't like to have one person upset with me because I get another person something that I didn't know their treasure, you know what I'm saying.

So it just business ethics came in, like when you do something, you know, have your word and or do the right way. Would be another temple in the Magoo Procectgo. That's the only person we ain't talking about talk about anybody else that was like he Magoo was my friend. So it was like it was a fun thing and it was fun to do because he was like the down south que tip almost yeah, I guess he was like Flex told me that today he was like he was like cute tip Um. He said he was my friend.

He's my friend, Maxim. Sorry, I tried to make I mean, he's my friend. You know. That was something that we did that was a dream or a passion of ours and we did it. But it wasn't meant to be one or two or three or four with something that like we're doing for fun. Yeah, and it happened right then we get paid for it and the funding was worth while at a moment, I think it was well, Timberland, we just want you to know we salute our legends.

We in our game that's every ten years. These people want to ride you off and they want to say you're over, and they want to say no matter if you're getting money or not. And in this game, I want to reverse that. I want to change that. I want you to people to know that you know the black of the very, that sweet of the juice. You know what I'm saying. The older you get, the older you're loose. And the older you don't get old because you stop playing. You get old. Of course you stop playing.

It's a different generation and we're the O G S. And we got to figure out how to translate that to the new genes, to the new generation. And I understand it now. It's like the problem with us. We always criticize so much. But when we was young, win criticize nothing. And when you look at Takai six nine, and these people are great, man, pick them up. You know they all, they all, they are great artists. Let them be who they're gonna be. Let's watch, let's watch

their journey. And some way Quincy Jones watched all the people he produced and he looked back at it and he was like, man, I produced all these people and they all died. And I'm not I'm not saying that about a new generation. But let's just watch their journey and see what happened and hand down that information over here. And if they they're taken, if they don't want it, that's on them. And it's not fun because they made

great music to me. And then you would have changed, if people ever would have started over anything you would like to change. I just should have been more alert when it comes to business and not let the fund get in a way. It should have been more, you know, just alert a lot of things. You know, you know, we're young, we're doing me we you know what I'm saying. And I'm still y'all you still, I'm still but I'm not what I'm saying. But I didn't come from that world.

So when everything moving fast, I just, you know, should have slowed it down at my pace. And you're in the gym, crazy, what's your trainer? Hooked me up doing this job? You know? For real, you're looking very young? How is that? How is that you know, getting on and getting into the gym and what makes you sparking

and do that? It was because I read I've seen a room or where people were quitting because they was hanging with Dr Dre being the engineers, and Dre would make his engineers and his assisted go to the studio and if people were quit and I've never heard of that, are you like that? The yeah, he would make them go to the gym like filming and all type of ship because you gotta be a machine like we all. So your engineer, your assisted, everybody gotta do the same.

I got my own legenda, you know what I'm saying. And I got a partner, my girl, and my partner pick up your girl and we do everything. Man, We like on the New Incredibles. Goddamnit, the Incredibles with the red suit long niggers all give me how fine the Incredibles? So you and your lady is the new Incredibles? That can? We do everything together? I seen y'all to Jay Z and Beyonce concert, y'all was over there. Gucci down, y'all now, I seen you Gucci down to me? Is she here

right now? Okay? And I was like the club car that correct, it was club car, club car works? She work? Yeah, we do everything together. This is so beautiful, all doesn't I'm married I'm marriedn't make some noise for me. I can make my mad. He's gonna give two all give me. I'm goddamn marriage. Give me marriage Backsten. You know, it's beautiful to show hip hop growing up because back in the days, in the nineties, we're talking about sucking all

these niggas. Ain't sucking these businesses right now. I think it's this old man my knees. First of all, you don't want we thank too much, you know. You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't like I'm comfortable. Listen, Atlantic records ain't fit. Atlantic records back a personal party today and I said, Yo, got up my knees hurt it. I said, I'm sorry, No, I don't hurt. I just don't want to do that. I want to fox like me and my girl. We're in incredible we can't be

seen everywhere. That's oh god damn it. I'm gonna start using that because le's come take that. I'm like, but I'm gonna be honest sometimes the older you know, that's why I love four four four is four four four actually reflected a grown man. Yeah, but they but the kids ain't gonna be that till later. That's why I'm less for for the kids. Correct, it's for them. It's the Bible for them. Don't get it, it's the Bible. And I can leave on that note. Jay Z left

the Bible. He left the Book of Eli for this generation. That's four four four goddamn. Make some t the pictures in the goddamn. I thank you so much. Sim This was great. Yeah, I think if I go to Jim