Episode 146 w/ Talib Kweli and Dead Prez

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would make something. I for one, I for one a very excited about this episode because with so much political issues and so much things happening in our culture, is great to have people that's a mind, body and soul who can actually speak and you know, speak articulate to our po Uh. Three, we got three guests. They all lessons. Uh. One is from a phenomenal group that has one of the one of the best records in hip hop. Ever

that doesn't live the damn I'm blowing up. Then then we got another brother who's who's here, you know, Brooklyn's own you know what I'm saying in the zone, and we put them together. We figured these are both politically people, people that I want to speak for the coaching other than these brothers, these three brothers in front of us. There's only like a t I I would like other than them. And if you don't know who I'm talking about, my dead press and motherfucker Tyler, well we make it up. Yeah.

Now you mean, like all three of you guys. I want to ask this question. Due first, let me ask do you even consider yourself conscious rappers? You know, I'm just gonna start off, and why why not kicking in? You know, I stay away from that conscious uh kind of title leaning as a matter of fact, no boxes, because um, to insinuate that I'm consciously, that you're you're

not conscious, and I think that that's sucked up. I think there's super consciousness and people in places, people in places that people don't consider what they were called conscious. So so yeah, like funk that in. Yeah, yeah, I mean same way. It's like you do what you do, you grow, you learn, and people try to put it in a box. You know what I mean. Let me make some lowist you to be the first thing to bring camp buch you to drink caps we agree on

you talk about talking about sponsor. I started to, but I had just take the opportunity. Yeah no, but yeah, the box, you know what I mean. We're figuring it out. But I mean sometimes we're gonna we're gonna do things that's political in nature, right, We're gonna do things that's personal, spiritual is really all connected. So you know what I'm saying,

like everything connected. I mean, yeah, I agree with my brothers. Um, we've been dealing with this for a long time and artists, consciousness is awareness if you're aware of what you do when you're conscious. You know, nor He's made records where that might not because it's considered conscious wrap. But he's aware of what he's saying on those records. Um. And I think with consciousness in the in the marketing sense, it gets convoluted because they't not wrong with being conscious

what I'm saying. But and then a lot of artists that are conscious that are not getting the credit for it, that do have those records on the album. But you know, hip hop is marketed in a way where you know, sex selves find themselves. Bangster is themselves um wrapping about money and and and decking itselves, especially the people who grew up ain't had nothing um and so they used

the term consciousness. I think you see a pushback from artists like their present myself, not that we don't embrace the conscious nature, but the pushback as artists because the artist nature is to not be boxed in. At first, it was kind of like they were saying, backpack artists were like the conscious msees and then backpacking I started before the back page Like, but I feel like I feel like they destwined in both together. Does anybody trying

back to somewhere where ye For me? You know, for me, it's like it's like the message, and and and and then Carress one for me personally, Carross and rock Him, and then the backpack Are, which I was a part of the Rockets movement. But there was a lot of cats who was in the backpack Are who wasn't conscious, you know, high and Mighty. You know, they were making

records about porn. They wasn't making conscious records. But because they were associated with it independent my state, people automatically assume, like a slum village, they records be very sexual exactly. And Jay Dill to rap about big chains and big trucks and all that. But because he's making music that feels like a certain type of feels like tropical quest or feels like a certain sonically, people automatically assume that

it's got to be positive all the time. You know, it's funny when you say that, because when I think of like a tropical quest, I think a fight is not being a conscious guy, like like I think a tip, you know, like because he was always like signing the more positive like what I'm saying. All right, So um uh, But when you get called a conscious rap because obviously, um that's what a lot of people are. You wait, wait, you think being a conscious rapper automatically means you have

to be a positive artist. That's what I was going to ask, But I don't think. I don't think necessarily because that's to a certain exting should be conscious all up when you're trying to put a box on it on. So what do you do with a record like America? If I check that which is wait wait wait, this is America. You said about who tricked Trick? That was society. Trick went on for none of that Trick was on for doping. You know what I mean? This out asked

the Shaken TRAINA. It wasn't, it was, So what do you do with that record? When that you can learn from anybody? But doesn't anything that's real quick though, I'm sorry started to stick. But in general, like for example, Trick outside of Miami isn't considered like like a litric artist for us in Miami is like the jay Z of Miami. Right, I gotta disagree with you, No, I

mean you're not from Miami. I'm talking about but were even into New York looked that trick, We said you it took it off from you at culturally he means something from from lyrically he was lyrical to what he was something because it spoke to us in Miami, right, and you guys met in Tallahassee. Yeah, we met in Florida. Ok. I was down here going to Florida and the university and this dude both originally from Florido, from Brooklyn, Brooklyn.

That's what you both from Brooklyn, But I google did it sucked me up, like say, Jeff had bop in Brooklyn. Really like like when we decided that we were doing migrate from Tallahassee up north and well that's when we Boklyn. They used to come to my bookstore before. Yeah, how was it being in loud on loud? Like he wasn't on the whack loud like you was on you know what I'm trying to say, Like you know, there was the beginning. It was a street team. It was loud.

They had pun tan mall deep, y'all, y'all. It was a part of the loud loud We came in when that was our vision from Florida, Florida. That's that's exactly the exactly and we we we had but we was like now it was like the same vibe we was on and we just made a choice like we're gonna go to New York and we and you know, we see what to do, right, But when we got when we got to New York, I think we had like nine hundred dollars maybe first we met Lord J That's

how we got connected. But it was that was the label that we saw in Florida and we went through me and all all. We met Russell Simmons like a bunch of cats. Russell was like, y'all n is too violent. At that time, he wrote, and we grow so much. Can you believe that ship? That's crazy? But yeah, right he signed Then he signed up black Poet. He don't want to have the poetic Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a beautiful time to be um in that in

that space. We grew from it a lot. We definitely knew what we wanted to do and where we wanted to be, but we didn't know how much it would change us to be around artists of that caliber and trying to make our music u up to that standard. We were like, all right, we're gonna be here. We got something to say. But then we got involved in the process and that really grew us up a lot

as artists. Really was. It was it a was it getting different when when Loud be hard to become corporate or you all started to get troubles before that, because I remember me, you know, we we would like you to keep it a hunt. I'm me being on death jam.

And then when when we could smoke in the building, and then there was a certain time when you they kicked the haircut man away, they kicked the dice man away, and they kicked the weed guy out the building, and then the building just became different and it was corporate now. It was people from Vivindi walking through and I remember Loud going through that process actually before death. So, um, the check start missing, man, it was, it was. It

was a whole lot. We was learning, like like one day, you know, you were waiting and they got a reason to check. Ain't ready and all that. So one day we during was up there and they all dirty some money, so dirty and right right, So Dirk with Gert so he was so he was in the in the office and um, they didn't have his check. So he was like, well, I'm taking something out of here. He just started carrying

the speakers out. He because we had one of them sound rooms too, like where you listen because he was never signed the Yeah. Yeah, so it was just little things that we was learning. We got to work with pun just being on the same label and you know what I mean, different things like that. But it changed that that that error was dark because like it allowed that to happen, like you could collapse. It felt like a team, you know what I mean, And nobody wanted

on the fund ship. It was like everybody wants everybody to win, and we kind of was. We could merge our ship in different ways, you know what I mean. But then when the checks was listening, it broke down, changing the corportation and wrap, put a veil and stop the balance because there were some checks and balances that had to happen. Like you said, artists was running thin labels directly to the president oftus and Steveen in the office.

Like after that happened, you couldn't even do that. Remember the security you couldn't have Yeah, yeah, So really it started being bureaucracy instead of like hip hop. You know what I'm saying that um because rockers, if to me, tell me if I correct me from more t D kind of seems like to put together if Rawckets would have did the right thing. I think it's TV maybe like the Rouckets, but from a street perspective like Rockets and Together, I feel like t D might be more

leaning towards like, you know, smart music. Then when I say I don't know one of conscious music, kindred to me is leaning towards that side. I learned something when I listen to Kidney Now, I know what you mean, but his backstory is is official and like Rockets stage Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that lucous um. You know. I got a lot of love for Jared and Brian, but they didn't come from the culture. You know, they came from Brown University. They were outsiders of the culture. They loved it. They

loved music. Okay, what's my universe? Browns where they met Jared and Bryan from Rockets School school? Yeah yeah and kay yes yeah. They they came into it with a business plan, but being fans of the music, you know what I'm saying, And they saw they had a vision. Their vision was U. They saw a hole in the marketplace, Um Provinyl and and you know the Independent you know Savamsa, Deeks and Metalis to the Black Stars, you know, company flow stuff like that. Um, that stuff was really bubbling.

It had his own culture. Really, LP was now we run the Jewels. Really he was. He was kind of leading the charge on that. And I feel like they kind of piggyback on an LPs movement and helped to grow bigger. They brought bigger checks in. Um. But I think that um, you know, they got caught up like with Phararell montch record dropped and and Big Door Pit Bulls was on it heavy playing in on the radio.

The Monstrap Rockets went from independent as fuck to let's get these records on the radio do It was kind of like that, you know, there wasn't the original business model. It wasn't They were signing artists like they signed Last Emperor. But then I remember like they try to make him go to the gym or something like it. Remember that he did go to the gym. No, he got got

a buffer second. Then they then they signed g Wrap, but he had a record jagged edge like the de Wrap jagget edge record, which on paper, I guess makes sense if you're trying to create a radio hit, but that's not an honest way to make music. What I'm saying so world no no, so you know, um there was another there was. They had signed Coco Coco B's but I remember the artist like, we had free rein me most company flow. We were delivering records, the records

we wanted to make. The next after Farrell blew up and Simon says, the artist on Rookis didn't have that free rein anymore and it he's starting to become a Simon sets started working. Little Kim actually jumped on the record and the actually bunk it. It was it was

method Red jumped on it. It was big. I mean, I was I want to see Motley Cruperford last year and Tommy Lee does his drum solo to sign the sets for me, Big Me and the kid grew up in the eighties to see Motley Crude performing a record that came out on the label that I was on. You know what I'm saying, I'm like, okay, this is this is one of the biggest records of all times. They catch a crazy lawsuit for there they did. They did Rockish year signed and that was the hip hop.

So now most steppers body of the nigger that got deported and undeported, which I don't think you could get deported out of America. You can't get kicked out of America. NI get out of America. Not not born in America. If you're born in America, you can't get kicked out of America. But yes, they would kick everybody else out. Yeah, if you're geta he was going underboard to But you know what's funny about Most is then what did happened during the Trump earraw with Most? Yeah, we'll see what Most.

I think with the situation where him was more of a situation where he was in South Africa. He was booked to do a show and he had a problem with the promoter had an issue and he for whatever reason, he didn't do the show. And I think the promoter was trying to cover his ass. So that's if you trace that story back to Pretoria. Is a promoter wasn't

Mostly put out a statement. It was a show promoter to said most deaf is banned from the country, right from from America, which is not that can't be promoter said that most They never said that. Yeah, but he stayed though he didn't come back to him know he was he he did have some passport issues in South Africa. But those are issues that he had in South Africa preventing it from traveling period. Yeah, and he saw that he worked out. We've been doing a lot of shows

this year has been been good times. We just did a stupid though show in DC together with them too. Oh yeah, that was crazy. That was a crazy night. Ye beautiful, beautiful night. Was at one point you weary though. When he was over. I went to South Africa, a lot got niggas departed. I went. I went to go see him in Johannesburg, Cape time. I was so Yeah. I went to Cape Town with these guys too. Yeah, yeah, we did. We kicked it all over. That was a

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Like hip hop gave us the platform, always breathed it um, I was able to hear care ass one who wasn't considered conscious at all, but tell it exactly what it was. We were there was a street paid for us to say this is what it is, before there was a podium. You gotta be orator, y'all. Love Malcolm, you know, love you know, love Kuam and CROOMA Love My My my leaders but man like hip hop put it in playing proletarian English. That's the term that came from Fred Hampton

seening you had the Black Panther Party. If anybody know, playing proletarian it just means the language of the people. And so at the end of the day, when you when it really comes, when the conversation really comes down to it and all the shenanigans away from it and you really talk real talk, it sounds like what we were saying. We say, it's not it's not um I mean what we the music we make is not. I mean, you can call it unapologetically black. We are just who

we are, authentic people talking about what's really happening. I guess the others it comes off as this blackness. But if you were in my shoes, you would say what I say to you know what I mean. It's just a human conversation and that and I think that's where hipopulated.

It's not that way now, um, But at one point, at the point that we knew that we wanted to be writing words down, we didn't even have to think about what it be on the radio or we were like, people just need to hear what the funk we We just want to say ship and have people hear what that is. It didn't have a agenda, you know what I'm saying. Where music is and it's just based on values,

you know what I mean, Like what you value? Like you know, you could have some success doing something that somebody else tell you is it's okay, you know what I mean? But do that feel like success to you? You know what I mean? Or do you did you come when you had your opportunity? Like what what did you do with it? And for me that that was more important than anything else, you know what I mean. I know what I had to say, I know how I feel. I know it's not being said, and I

know where I'm front, you know what I mean. So it's about rapping our values. And then I think why because I don't think we was the best produces, the best rappers or nothing like that. But I feel like it's such a lack of real ship, real real ship,

that it stay it stand out. You know, twenty years later, it's still bigg in the hip hop because we act, because we act like in the theater of it, we act like it's all about that, you know what I mean when we like, we don't have kids, we don't live real lives, so we wanted to just be take the veil off. You know, that's the best music. That's

Stevie's best music. That's little what that Christmas? I guess his dive and and you know, you know what the cool ship is Like I'm not comparing you guys to like preachers or pastors or whatever, but that was the that was the ship about like, uh, well, scared people from church. Was the pastor priests holier than that. So so when you see a person that's being perfect, you

don't want to go there. When you see a person be regular, when you see a person that can kicks some novel and still smoke a blunt with you, that it is just always attractive. It's always easy to get the information to prove because it's like, all right, cool, no matter how old he is or how different we are,

and like we can always connect with that. I just try to add on just as an m C. You know, I got with Stick's saying about you know, he was being humble and saying we're not the best rappers and everything, But I just got to say, as a student of m S no, I M yeah, like and not you know, with the production too. I know y'all making beats. I know y'all like like, but but hip making making music. That's what I'm saying, Like, like, I appreciate their job is to be humble, That's fine. My job is to

bring my brother up. And you know what I'm saying. Like me firstly, what Death Press meant for me as an artist because we you know, we started our careers at the same time, and they kept me on my fucking toys like yeah, make me just mix, yeah, I told like. And when you think about this, there's a lot of great music that that these brothers are put out,

from mix tapes to albums. But when you think about the impact of Let's Get Free and what what they were talking about, like students they were studying, it was like a plan. It's like, okay, we're not we we we When you listen to those styles and the when you say you were studying mob deep in Woutang exactly.

You can hear that on that right. But it's very clear direct fighting plane what you say with with with with the chairman said like, um, you know when you're saying it like they were saying very these schools don't teach your ship. You know what I'm saying, Like saying that like be healthy is very direct, like planned out, pointed, programmed the messages, like the message is important. Um, And

everybody has agendas, you know what I'm saying. Like if somebody tell you I don't have no agenda, that's a liar everybody. But what is your agenda? Is your agenda? Compassion is a justice? As a freedom? Is it? Is? It? Is it? You know, family, what's your agenda? And the agenda was so so clear that guy were I feel like a complete asset. I didn't know that you produced that record. I'm such and that record something that I think Stick is an uncertain hero as a producer in

general and as an ear. And I'm talking about untrained when I met him to say, I came to Tallahassee, Florida, trying to go to Florida and m University. It ain't burn it hard, but it's burning matched. My suit though was good. Um, I want to say, and yours you should have you should have burned that. He just started back burning. It's a secret. But but look, I gotta say I met him and his uh like as coming

from New York. I never really I thought I would meet someone and Tallahassee, Florida who had certain strong hip hop fundamentals that would move me in the way that I felt why you thought you people in Florida. And I don't want to say that. I don't want to trying to say that. I'm not trying to say it like that. No, it's not said I'm killing them seeds from Tallahassee them and so that just from the mental taste, I'm not trying to say that. I mean now, I'm

just saying I didn't expect it. I'm talking about to kill it him like rock him flows like the rock king flows Tom Tom. And but when he took him to the studio and told me about how he saw music and how he heard music, it was like, listen to Miles Davis talked to music and I'm not blowing your head up, kid, I'm just telling you it was cool because as a brother we learned from each other.

And then we listened to the same record and we we man shopping man still shopping still, but he was doing things with that EPs plus was turned into the s R ten that made me say, RISD is not doing this. Nobody in my deep having. Yeah, he heard had, but he wasn't doing having. He was doing stick right.

That's what made hip hop. Was the last record on the album that we made from Let's Get Free, because there was like, I ain't got nothing for the radio and we said, what's that want y'all want to saying head high, which was the hook that I said, exactly like that playing making a joke, but it was his beat made in the closet on the aps and he just moved and ship like my own and wasn't and and it and to him it was a joke, but it came from you and years and years and years

of training. Yeah, yeah, making that You don't see that you make that sound from you know what I'm saying. Even from Florida, right, we used to hear the car driver about with it with the trump yea. At that time, that was like, oh, right, and it was like Florida culture more than anybody else, right, So that was to me, it was like the last it was the last thing we had. We had made Wolves, we had made Police

State everything. We said what we want to say, right, and then everybody's like, you need a single, and like he said, it was more like I started just thinking, like when I was growing up, what was the most um middle fingership, you know what I mean? It sound wise, you know what I mean? And that's what I thought, like the obnoxious bass. You know, it's crazy about saying that we made the blast because the label was like, y'all don't have a single, and the whole thing was like,

all right, well, I'm gonna just teaching. Niggs had to pronounce my name, but that record wasn't on that. We we said what we said, what I had to say. I texted what he had to say. We turn the record in like this is the record, you know, and it was like you need another one. I'm gonna tell you something. Yes, it's true. Wait, I want to move fast. I'm gonna give you another segway through Shawn c who was working with artists who are working with Rocketfeller Records

WETLV that's loud, yeah, loud and ours. They're like, we got hip hop, but we want to make a remix. So they went and got all these producers and lo and behold they brought Kanye and so Kanye West came to the studio and we made a remix of hip hop which is on Let's Get Free as well. It's called Bigger than hip Hop and he wrote the hook on it with us and all that. Um, you know, grab your tips if you love big pop. Um what

what bangs that is? If you missing anybody? Yeah, but boom, I gotta say that, like like all these record all these producers were moved by that by that sound, right Kanye. Guess who else came? J c J made a remix for hip hop. We need to use it. I wish we when we went on to y'all were the new niggas on the tour, y'all was the rookies and the crew. But we went on that tour, y'all would perform hip hop. And then after everybody went on and it don't matter if it was common a gang star, Big Daddy Kane

whoever was the guest. After the routes finished their Big song. We all came back, everybody on that bill and did hip hop again every night. And that's how Dave Chappelle got with us and say, yo, can I use that for the intro on that exact tour after after that? And I appreciate it too, because y'all, y'all showed us, you know, you in particular, and Most y'all open y'all world to us. You know what I mean. We just coming from Florida and we're in your hood and you

said the state will come to the show. You're like, y'all come rock, you know what I mean? Just made Look really, I wasn't no fav you know, but I'm just saying that want it loud. Y'all really like loud ain't really know they weren't connected right that y'all helped us like have that national audience really really okay, got more black stop music for the same reason you' got more most deaf music. Man. I got fifteen albums, most got four or five. But he loved a wrap He wrapped,

He wrap stick verse everybody abody. He's a wrappersper. Why you think I think Most is disheartened with the state of affairs the music business, not the music business, but entertainment in general. Just my experience with him is that it's not that he's not being creative. It's not that he's not aspired to be creative. He just don't like the music business. You don't like the rigamar row of

dealing with the bullshit to come with the industry. And I think it's a stent to his politics and his lifestyle. And you know, I think he's trying to live very spiritual, humble life and as far he's a charismatic very but there's so much then, but there's so much artists to fan space right now, like that we have like I mean honestly, like honestly, like, but you give a lot of yourself for that, you know, you got you give up a lot of yea, you know me, I'm going

to tow it all the time. And it's like, yeah, I got to you. We will. You argue with everybody right and chance, and I gotta share with the press. I got tired, but I digress. But but I think also you give a piece of that. Like one thing about that is that, you know, I look at people like most who don't. He has no social network, He's not on Instagram, Twitter, and fate none of that. Um, you give a piece of that for yourself. And you know, I'm very aware of my lane and my position in

this business. I have a lot of respect for brothers like y'all, and that's what I live for and I love that. But most def he's more internationally recognized than I am, you know what I'm saying. So he has he has just more responsibility, he has more people be tugging at him more, you know what I'm saying. There's people who have are more famous than me who don't necessarily maybe need to be on a social network at the same way some some some others to like I

try to use it as a tool. You see one on a lot, but I always try to drive traffic to what I'm doing and try to use as too because I don't got Adele or Beyonce marketing dollars and I want people to know what I'm doing, you know, So I use Twitter, I created I've not created, but harness this platform for what I do. But but I also learned from you know, people like most and who don't,

who don't who have created this platforms. Whereas you gotta come for him most most whole canceled seven shows, But does then show up and you'll still show up to the cancel. No, you show up to the concil one and you come back. But that's the one thing I do learn about the younger generation. Is there there there's as artists to consume them. Yeah, that part is kind of dot that smart is an adult like you know, other than SoundCloud, like super great SoundCloud with don't just

expect the SoundCloud. They actually just make a straight artist to consumer. Just get that SoundCloud part out of it. I think that the music business is gonna start coming back ours. That's why I got Quality Club, which I got for Ryan Leslie. He built it from me. Is like you you go straight to my website. You buy my CDs, my vinyl, get my digital, you get books. I used to the bookstore where I used to kicking

with them. Man, I have that bookstore online. Those books are in the crib right now, you know from you Yeah, the Black Panther comics and graphic novelism. Okay, thank you, gotta check what I'm saying. Look at the books. I don't know if y'all know, you know, but this this platform is designed. I knew that I looked at all these other platforms and all these other places, and after you get ten years in this game, people want to kick you outeople want to say you old. People want

to say you washed up. People want to say you don't god to people won't say you can't do it again. That's not what this platforms for. This platform for people ten years and and old and old that has has has played the game right, played the game. You know what I'm saying, the way it's supposed to be and should be honored. The thing is, I don't want to honor you. I don't want to say dead Press is one of the dopest fucking two man groups when you're gone,

because you can't even hear that ship. You know what I'm saying. I want to give your flowers right now. You can smell them, your thoughts when you can think them, when your drinks when you can drink them, and your smokes when you smoke. I'm gonna godd and that's real ship. And it doesn't take away it doesn't take it away from me saying how dope live is? It doesn't take away from me. No notice in his hustle like I see him in one state he's dj and another state

he's motherfucking performing, another state he's cooking. I don't notice that you're doing everything. I don't know. It's great around what you understand I'm saying, and that's dope is that I just feel like we need more of that in our culture, like as opposed to being competed with each other, Like why would I compete with you when you have your own audience? It has hold up one second, man, I know you thought of this, and I've thought of it for for years. I've always wanted to get into

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do that. I should just came to the motherfucker said fun with me. I like to go places where I'm celebrated, not tolerting, you know what I'm saying. So sometimes I'll take something less because I know these people will sunk with me more because they let I'm celebrated when I'm walking a room and look, that's as opposed to getting more from somewhere else. And sometimes you were just it's just like all right, who I got? That's like sometimes that's the definition of selling out. But um so what

this climate going on? You know you said his name. I was gonna try to avoid it for as much so much as I can. I don't know what you're talking. Mr Westminster West, Mr Westminster West. That's the homie though, that's the homie Corne I was on his album Cornel West. Because I'm saying that you know that Mr West needs

that Mr West before we go onto that. Because the reason why it's specially for me asking you guys this question, as opposed to me even asking t I or even asking other other other guests of the song here recently, you guys know Kanye right like when he said you know that you want to go back to the real Kanye, y'all. Actually you know the boy before they're talking about we're not, we're not because you know, I'm not a Googler, but when I do Google and I both like both with

y'all Google. Oh yeah, he came up. I'm like, damn, I can't avoid this one. I want y'all to describe to me the difference between a brother that you'll first met, because are you around this guy now or we don't really know? Is this that? Um? I think it's the same dude. Okay, Okay, I go And that's a little way right there to right. That's wrong, that's yeah, okay, but yeah, if you if you, if you cook, I mean, I think I think he's the same dude. You know,

Kanye West is an icon of our time. He's a genius. He's a musical genius. So he's very and he's he fashioned. The things that he knows about that I can't funk with him on. He's his knowledge is just infinite when it comes to certain things. There's a lot of things that he's misinformed about. When I first started doing shows with Dead Prayers, we do we do a lot of fundraisers and working with organizations like Malcolm X, Grassroots Movement

and Refuse and Resist and and all these organizations. And one thing that I took to heart back in the day was a lot of those the real activists would give us political education, you know, what I'm saying, Like before we got on stage, I feel like their prayers have a lot more political education than most I feel like I got a lot more political education than most people. But even even us, we needed more pointers and steps to know what the what the talking points for the

movement was. We had O G. S. I feel like Kanye is the leader of a generation who looks up to him, who about retweets and likes and engagement, and there's no O G. Knowledge in there. There's no political education, is the problem. But I agree with or he goes and caters to that audience. See, I can agree with you, won me us agree with you? But then he'll go And I swear to God as a brother, as a black man, as a fellow artist in hip hop. We

stopped the John monopoly. I'm saying names now. We stopped to Steve with saying names who I actually see him around and I'm like, I think it's time he's sitting down with me. Of course to the plat Oh my god, we want my vote TV. You know what I'm saying. We're trying to be with volted. You know what I'm saying, We're trying to do you know, go outside of the box and I'm trying to Yeah, this is why we and it doesn't see and then it's crazy because I heard a rumor. This is how much um um uh.

I think he's trying. He's being a troll. I heard a rumor that that that Yate easy album, that Yate album, it's original name was hit. But yeah, I don't know about that. I do know, like i've i've I mean, if it was, but way way, don't worry if it was. If it was, what does that say to you? Okay, because I have no idea. That's why because he's a he's a disruptor, he's he kind of controversy. He knows how to how to stir it. So what does that say to you? Because it's to me it's a something too.

But I don't know. Like but I mean, but let's if we're gonna talk on it like we I don't think if we just talk on the speculative, right, I'm saying, like, like, girl, I do think, I do think. But we did see him say he love and see that was a bad We neatly had to trade on race and draft. That was that was That was at least a week the draft had to trade him. That's why let's get Scott. Let's get Scott. Start to somebody, Let's just get I think that I think the county is severely missing formed.

I think he's severely miss formed. I think he's not reading. I think, based on my conversations with him from spanning from fifteen years ago to two months ago, that he is not He doesn't know politics, he don't know history, he don't know And I think the problem is that when it comes to his career as an entertainer, he's been so brilliant and so successful that everything he's done has been correct right. So everything he does is like, I'm gonna do this at work, I'm gonna do that.

Everything makes me like ugly easy, the easiest, every mind. So everything worked. Then you then you're thinking that this is gonna work. You hear the records he did with Tiana Tilling and and and nas and all that I was working on the record. Me and Kanye had a recordly working five songs together. You know what I'm saying. I was in his house a year ago. You like those records. I didn't hear all of them. I don't hear,

but I like the album. But he says to me in this non in his house, been in the studio. How living in Calabasas while Drake was there it was hard on him because he was felt the competitive energy and how when Drake moved away his he had this creative rush, you know what I'm saying, which to me, I'm like, Yo, how you let this next man affect your energy? I was saying, like, this is something I felt,

but I didn't speak on at the time. Now I see how the years played out, you know what I'm saying, And I feel like a lot of what he's doing, Kanye wants to be number one. He wants to be talked about all the time, and if somebody's talking. He spent all the last year talking about how dope Drake was in every interview, Drake the number A rapper, Drakes rapper. I feel like he's triggered by Drake. I feel like

he's triggered by Obama calling him a jackass. And I feel like he just wants to be liked and he's misinformed. And I think I'm gonna be honest, be honest, that's the most sensible ship. No one said that, you know, because it's because people don't know him intimately. People haven't spent time with him inside studio hours for fifteen hours at a time, been with him on tool buses. But I understand Kanye as I think. I mean, I'm not trying to take any liberties here. He says he knows

me according to Rolling Stone, and I know him. I know him. And what's so brilliant about it is sticking. Isn't that so similar to what we were just talking about? What my position was earlier in the airport? That right there? So it wasn't at the airport to put us on No, you heard it. It's what I'm trying to say. It's like what I'm corroborating here is that me and my part had a slight conversation about our brother and and you and I would love to hear sticks um take

on it because it's it's interesting as well. And if you go to his Instagram you can see his posting. But where were you guys? We'll come right back to that. Who are you guys at when you heard that he said he loved Donald Trump at Yeah, I want to see him MSNBC A lot um. I never used to like it before. Trump. It's right wing. That's that's racist. But now it's left because Trump is in office. Right, that's that's like the Ills reality show right right exactly.

And my wife and my wife don't stop sing. She's non political, but she this is the best show on Yeah, that's the best show on TV. So that's why what's that ship? The president Ship on Netflix? They canceled? They said that the best show on TV exactly. Um, I don't even remember, because um, like, I don't remember what. I already had this sensitivity that he would like Donald Trump, I don't I don't know where I was when I heard it, but I had the sensitivity in my mind

that that would be something that he would say. You know what sucked me up the most about that ship though, the ship he said about feeling emasculated and feeling like and talk about his daddy. Regardless of where you stand on Hillary Clin, you know what I'm saying, a lot of people in our community have very righteous criticism for Hillary Clinton. But his criticism and Hilly Clin wasn't a political criticism. He didn't talk about her policies, he didn't

talk about Hey, he didn't talk about supercredator. He said, her slogan I'm with her made me feel like less than a man. He said, he said, because the less testosterone in his house. And he said, I'm married a family. He said, I married a family, and there's not enough testosterone in my house that to me, women can't make. And you got two daughters, bro, you got two daughters. That's the part. And you know, Knnie is my brother and I love him and I'll never just SI, I'm

never calling crazy. And if that brother called me I'm coming, I can't wait. You know what I'm saying. If he called me I'm coming. But that's what that's what sucked me up the most, because I've had private conversations with him on sex that he sucked me up that were hurtful, hurtful private conversation that I'm like, okay, that will be

remained between you and me, right. But when I seen that man get up there and say I love you Donald Trump, and Donald Trump said, hey, I didn't have to be saying and I didn't actually be saying that, and then he hugged that man, and they said, no, you can't like more like more of a man as that strike me up for his daughters. We know, we know it's a certain way you give a person of five, Like, look at Trump's hand, his hand is out here. It didn't even come closer me. It didn't come closer. That's

cone he came close. Father. I was like, Oh, that's that's that's as like as a person that's jail violation. It was harder. Look at bro girls really hard to Nobody cares to really hone in on him. He's saying he's got mental health issues. And that's my point that that that might be the situation. That was some of my points to my family is that I don't think we suggest this moment clearly because I don't think the

man is clear. I don't don't sound clear exactly. I don't think that even if he believed it, he knows what he knows. But he says man is and he stopped taking he say he's not. One of his goal is for us to do this right now. That's it. That's his ultimately, that's the point. By album, why are you talking about this exactly exactly? Since you're talking about that exactly. But I'm just saying because there's nobody that

there's nobody technically better to talk about this. And he's here is the biggest thing in the game right now, especially what he's doing. And I've never seen a destruction like this. And don't give me when I say destruction. It's not like his paper might be affective. I don't think this paper is gonna be afect cultural currency because yeah, it's because like I don't. Yeah, I agree. And we were constantly every single day seeing videos of little black

girls getting getting you know, hitting the ribs. We're seeing black girls getting pulled, we seeing black boys getting killed, and we're seeing this and and this day and time, we need you know how we used to say, yo, you you're not a celebrity. You're not You don't have responsibilities to be a role model. We don't have a fucking choice anymore. Like at the end of the day, we're all raising children, and we're all raising children that can that can go to them saying states and the

same stats that these people go. We have to take responsibility, we have to I don't, I know, I know mathematist, I know, I'm you know, I was raised five saying I was raised like that. But you know, as time go and progress, I've started to make club music, and I started to cater to that. But I know the difference. I can't no longer being that guy. I have to change. It's just it's just I can't afford. Although I'm more comfortable there, but I have to say what I see

that that's you know what I'm saying. It's just called growth. But I think I think with um, yeah, it's it's a lot. It's a lot of richness to that situation, you know what I mean? Because when you say whichness, you mean wealth or you mean richness, like, um, like it's just deeper. Yeah, like like so so you get a reaction from the masses of people, right if you do this or do that right, It's it's like you could predict the reaction. Like when people say there's no

bad promotion as long as its promotion. Yeah, people say that. I hate that. But what I mean is like it's a lot of factors. You know, I'm mixing, so I don't feel like it's we're really having a real conversation as far as the community around this, because it's mental health, which has nothing to do with the other stuff, the politics, you know what I mean. In you know, in a certain way. It's like if somebody is I believe that

of the planet it got mental health issue. I mean, like for real, And you know what I feel like we as we're growing and evolving, like the things that the choices we make ship like, we like we pull our own poison. We don't call that mental health. It's the b I'm good, I'm good. I'll have it around O. Yeah. You know that's one thing, right, So then if Kanye is really dealing with mental health issues, the way people in the community is treating him, right, if they really

believe he got a mental health issue, it's terrible. It's not you know what I'm saying. So that's one thing. The second thing is Kanye is an artist with a platform. He chooses songs he want to make, He choose the position he want to take, and when you like what he's saying, he demand. But when he feels like he sees something different, then oh, this is the worst coon ever, you know what I mean? And to me, that's more

fickle on the community. Right. But then you know is you got Donald Trump and what he represents, you know what I mean? And then this this like alignment that's not really clear where it's coming from and where it's going. So when you mix all that together and people think like she, they're gonna automatically assume whatever they want to assume. But they don't know Kanye. They don't know Kanye agenda,

they don't know Kanye mental health. Everybody just talking and exploiting that condition for their own benefits, you know what I mean. So you think that's why Chappelle Paul went to Africa at that time, and then now all of a sudden, Kanye, you gotta take atlic Chapelle went to Africa, Nold Papa Roster Mother. Chappelle's right, you're trying to quite the reason why Chappelle left The Chappelle Show and went to Africa to why Kanye went to Uganda. Yes, what

I'm trying to say, I was. What I was trying to say is you know Chappelle called Onto because you know, sometimes winning too much, it's like fellas. Now I think Kanye is trying to do that. I think he's doing his own version of that. He's doing the Kanye version, which you go to Uganda and you go talk to the to the Ugandan president. I'm saying, well, let me

ask you what about this though? What like in our community, right, when when a person is like I want to look at a situation different, like I just want to consider a different angle, a different a different picture. Right, So you know, how can you do that? How can you really break out the sheet cycle? If you look at something different? The whole world attacked? Right, I think to the than in the first place, you like, think about it, like just for the flips up would first? What about

Jim Brown. Jim Brown is pause and I'm so sorry that Jim Brown. I love you, But when you see the Jim Brown, Jim Brown keeps saying people shouldn't be kneeling to the flag, that's not what kaeper Nick nil. Yeah, he's got he's got that, but he's got I think the thing about Jim Brown is that is that Jim Brown is someone who you know, there's Jim Brown is a mythology. First of all, do you see what I'm

saying this stuff on Jim Brown. That's like, Jim Brown is in our community, he's a pillar, excuse me, of our community. He's he's there's a there's a mythology surrounding him. And I think that he's doing certain community work where he's a strategic and tactical in a way like I personally just not that I would ever get that invitation. But I couldn't see myself going to Trump to see Trump on any for any reason. But for somebody like Jim Brown, I could see you thinking that as strategy.

I've been in meetings with Kanye West and his friends and I've heard people close to him say to him, the problem have with you is not whether or not I agree with your political stances. What's the strategy here? What I'm saying, like when you when you went to TMZ, that was unplanned situation, you know what I'm saying, Like when you you had the Charlotte Man interview where you control that interview, why not let that be Why not let that be the story? Why go to t MZ

on that day? What is the strategy here? So when with sticks say then he went back though, when sticks say like, like, what as far as thinking different kind of when Kinnie come with that free thinkership, right, I'm with all that, But the problem is that don't tell me I'm not a Democrat, but don't assume I'm a democrat and called me a slave with a democratic plantation because I don't agree with the Republican concentration, you know

what I'm saying, And that's where it goes hard. And I want to say this to that as well, like we know some free think because there's some people who've been down this road and doing some amazing work who are not right, not left who and and and I support those people, and I and Kanye sees himself in that kind of circle. I'm with it on right that just that being said. So, but going back to what Stick said, and even in all of this, what's real is as much as we think he's done all this damage.

People are fickle. People are very short terms. That's that's rare for us, very short term memory. And one year Kanye will be a hero to something that's right. People. I didn't say that egotistically, and I'm talking about Yeah, I'm talking about you. I'm talking about like like like the same way, the same way we we have real talk with people. We can have real talk. Not nobody.

Nobody's the work too, because it's not like Hannis Owens or Larry Elder when these mothers could come out and make a jam and then say, oh, I'm down with the movement. We won't believe them. We believe. We believe Kanye can come back because of the work he's put in the exactly what I'm saying, Like you write, we grow our heroes out, whether it's common, whether it's Kendrick Lamar, whoever, if they say one ro dang, the one thing, I'm

gonna put us in that category. I want to put the people that are temporary fast because there's bandwagging people. I'm not talking about band bag people. I'm talking about I'm talking about the inner community. This is us, this is us right here, this is the new pool right this is us by us, and this is I mean people outside of our community. But the thing about it is um That's why, that's why I like it hurts

me sometimes right where. You know, we set up this whole campaign, you know, Rock Nations tweets me Yo, let's let's let's free meet, no wolo, let's free motherfucking me. Let's go out there and free motherfucking meet, let me hashtag and let me do what I gotta do to free me, and free meet comes home. And then y'all go first listening the element or generous you know what I'm saying like like no, no, listen, listen. I get resist,

I get what she represents. But as a hip hop artist, I think every artist that came after me kind of owes me to sit down, comes sit down with the yaller, come chopping up, come chopping up, you know, and I want so big that you want. This is This is probably the first time ever a person that they quote on cold core Legend can humble itself and pick up everybody man and sit down. And I sit there and I do all these campaigns when these record labels hit me,

all these management companies hit me. You know, I've represent college. Look this college, sons. My son went to college perpect party on the other day and they brought they brought me a shirt college. Why haven't you been on drink chats? My brother? Come at that light. Let me just just keep it real, keep it in a hundred. I'm keeping it in a hundred right now, one million percent. If you want to film, you can film. No, don't film, No, no, we film. I don't do college. Call it this messed

up what you're doing to us. You sit here, you represent hip hop, your represent in Miami. If this is a problem with I f let's handle it off the camera. It is a them with and what you can't because I've been wady you goddamn sis birthday, so it's definitely gonna be you. I'm just storing. I I'm gonna try to work this out or camera on. Kimber My Yam. You gotta get your shipped together. Listen, man, we gotta hold on critis. We gotta start supporting our old Meek Bill.

You gotta come sit down with us, Meek Mail, come on my dugs like you when you brought us came to Florida. You have did the right thing. I don't even know what y'all did. They have to the right thing. Let me tell you you just come to Florida, you come sit down. I want God my God as well. I'm gonna go straight. I really really and and I really all this moment just wanted to pick you up.

And even like d j FM, let me tell you crazy Herd productions ever since that bad cat came down here and then our first showing cameo on the on the Lyricist Lounge tour just exactly and and we went to your crib well dropping on your mixtape, and like I just gotta say, man to see like story now shout out the nesting in the back of brought us the kind doing all that. Yeah, exactly, coach, and you man, like we saw you. I saw you, I saw I saw then and then I saw and then I saw

you here. I live here. I live here as well as well as you live here. But what I'm seeing you do, like even the way you're able to ang your angle yourself and even put the trust you down like only a queen's nigger really can do. Some of these dudes talk talk. The way you're talking to some of these people is beautiful because you deserved this platform.

You two together have a beautiful balance and to be able to have this and and propagate it the way you're doing it of my brothers now, just because I never was able to say, you can't notice if we ain't gonna beg us up, ain't nobody else who don't. So I don't want to get plain about what people ain't doing. I want to show what we are doing. Like I noticed these radio stations, they'd be like, oh, well,

you gotta grind it out like I've been down ten years. Ever, use that world to me A kid you gotta mother ship no more? What's wanever? Like like people put in our work when we shouldn't have to go through that. And you know, and there's there's a lot of people that's gonna watch this. And if I'm just being honest, I'm not getting cocky. I'm just saying and this is how we got to continue to do it when when it's time for something to be put in this atmosphere,

I'm gonna be honest. I even I even I even I even go even deeper. If you can't go to drink Champs, I don't mind go to the breakfast club. You can't go to the reference club. I don't mind going to your button. You don't go to your bud go the rap radar. Go to somebody that we know that us approved from the O you with stripes, don't go to Zaine Long. Who the fucking ze this guy is? When Apple getting crazy, I'm sorry saying you know, I

like you as a person. I just don't know why you could get drinking Nicki Minas and kid you Lamas. When I've been to Compton, I've been in the South Side, I've been in Toronto, right, Oh yeah, your motherfucker's understand just the new foo. I'm sorry, you'll bring it out of me. Yeah, I'm bringing it out of me, numb up for real. That's that's when I started to notice that sometimes our culture, we love to be abused. Artists. I don't know if it's artists are people we love

to be abused. I see artists who see a publication this though, and then that artists go back and go back and that publication. I've seen this multiple times, like we watched it with Kanye, but is not the only one when that TMZ thing and then you know, but why why do you why do you think that is like when people just I think we just don't support each other. We believe that we believe the dream. I think, you know, I think our idea of success is whiteness.

So our idea of success is not drink chace for tim Z. Our idea of successes you know, not you know, yeah, you know I did the interview. It wasn't like my drink chances in my drink cha. But you know, even with our good brother, yeah, I think his idea of success is you know, I got polo shoot on polo. Raphael Rand is his hero. Elon Muster is his hero, Henry Ford is hero. He want to be like Donald Trump his idea of successes. He was, like he said in his record, I'm gonna climb to the top of

the mountain, top of the Empire State Building. I'm a kid comming, I'm I'm married, I'm the white bitch, and I'm gonna get all the white man ship. When you know, I'm just paraphrased what I'm saying. But that was when I was. When I heard Right on tour with Common, he had a bar and this we talked about us. He brought yeah man now he said it on the album and Kanye brought me on to that. But this is what he said, quality for the coach. Now that's

what you said. He had a bar. That was like he said, they you know how I know I ain't about ship because I got He said, I got a white girl, a white watch, a white and the white girl to match my outfit or some ship was the bar, right, And my audience booed him every night. Right didn't say that every night. The quality audience didn't want to hear that. You know what I'm saying, And you know he used to but he said that to me recently. He said it to me a couple of months ago. He said,

I feel like the whole world is quality audience. Know what I'm saying. I said, my audience is right exactly. Basically, you wouldn't know what the audience made you better. You're standing out. Time gonna tell the man, I really feel like sometimes people are moved to do things that we don't even know. You know what I mean. So we're ready to judge ship, but time going with bild you know what I mean? Well, time has toward us. The brother come around all the time. What did they say?

They say that people love to come up, the fall down right and to come back that they say that's yeah, I'm gonna album I'm no judge, man, I want to say, I'm no judging. And in the finals have this conversation, even as it relates to Kanye West, which has threaded

somehow into a part of it. No, it has to be I'm no and this is this is out of love and and even like we're talking about what level of it takes to be successful and how we see success on a certain level, like even as us as quote unquote people who are thought minded um, you know, into the revolution money. Look, we're trying to usurp the throne. We see, we're trying to be rich. I'm trying to get rich. You're trying to Yeah, absolutely billion dollars, right, yeah, absolutely,

why not? There's only there's only twelve black dollion this you see the quality of fourteen and and and But a lot of the our community excludes that kind of understanding from it or how we But you're not saying that Kanye is behavior no, no, make money all right, my god, I just want to be we gotta dumb audience.

Not exactly that either, because you're going down the point like I'm really just understanding that, like it's gonna take it ordinary circumstances to arrive at the the the conclusion that we want to be at, Like I want to be free. I want to have liberation. A lot of people say I'm already free. Some people say, oh, money is freedom. Some people say, oh, well did you vote? Some people say this. My point is we have to come to some commonality about it. And it ain't easy.

And I got daughters, five of them, and I'm thinking to the future, how long would it take for us to arrive at a place where I can really feel like this place is safe. We gotta do something incredible. We can't just think regular you know, so like in real talk like and so we have to include all of this in the conversation. Drink Champs ain't low Donald Trump and Shorty dealing crack all in equation. That's just quick.

As someone as an outsider in the sense that you guys all know Kanye, I've only dealt with him a couple of times as a DJ and as a fan of Kanye, real fans. What I'm saying as a fan, I'm saying that's that's the precursor to what I'm about to say. There gets to a point where there's damage

that's being created by what he's doing. Yeah, I think that's why we have to speak and starting to become scary because I think his father was his father was when the father, I don't know, No, I don't even think it's a do you think that I said what I think what I think. I don't think it's the followers show. I think it's the actual president himself thinking that, oh, this guy validates me. I feel that everybody, especially like

he's already faust. No, it's not. But I'm don't say as an individual, I just feel like at a point, as a fan of I'm like, at a point, you gotta understand like there's a there's a there's a damage you can't come back from that. Here's a damage for me and on a on a personal on a real personal level. Um, I think the damage just me be coming from. And I'm very privileged to have grown up with educators. I recognized that as a privilege, there's some

prison most people don't have. The misinformation and misdirection to me is very damaging the fact that you go out there you make statements that are not based on fact, but that are based on feeling, and then you say you say on your Twitter and your Instagram feelings matter more than fact and like them. The interview, when he said um uh slavery part yeah, now, Van Lathan was there to correct him. Van Lathan was very eloquent and what's the next TMZ and interview those are the next teams.

Interview was outside and we was Van later right, But when Kanye I was calling, I got the word know when you're going, don't do it. When Kanye apologized to Van Lam when he apologized to Van Lathen, that to me was the real kind. That what I'm saying, Like, I'm like, okay, that's the moment, yeah, because that's what that's the real ship. But like when Kanye bigs up, somebody like Knda's owns Canda z Owens comes after me on Twitter, and then I get that's the black girl.

And then then I get called a nigger and a monkey from straight at white supremacist white you know, like motherfucker is like wow, right, So, but that's why I take a person like I see a personal effect of like white supremacist, neo nazi. Motherfucker's like proud boy, Maga, motherfucker's becoming at me, like you should be more like Kanye. It's not his fault. It's not because they're gonna be like that. They're gonna find somebody else. It's gonna But the reason but the reason why I have to I

have to. I have to give him some resipis ability because he is a grown man. He's making choices. He's making choices to align himself with people who are are a death set or harm and people of color. You're making a choice to align yourself with the people, and you're making a choice is not an intentional choice. But as we know, when it comes to oppression, oppression it's not about intent, it's about results. You can have the best intention of the world. The broad to fucking hell

is paid with the great attention. I think Kanye's attention is, I don't want y'all to see me what the stereotypical image of a black man is. I'm free, I'm not your idea of a black man. But let me put on his mag and hat. Let me show you how much I'm not your idea black. But he did that with the flag then, So he was trying this early because andre Andrea Federate, but I would I'd be willing

to bet, and I'd be willing to bet. And if you ask Andre Ddausand today about why he wore a Confederate belt, which he did twenty years ago, he would change his tone ludicrous. When he was on the awards, he would to hold Confederate suit and then he pulled it off, and he pulled it off. He had the red, black and green shirt under I think it's because their idead with Bluttle John and then had the Confederate flag burning on the cover April and m j G had

the flag burning on the cover. I think they can't they did that after Andre wore that because I think they the new South idea is that we from the South. But and you know, you could speak to it more than because you're from Florida. What I'm saying like, if you speak to it, you don't want to hear. Nothing to do with none of them, Like come on, man,

that deeps out. Give me to watch Dukes has money could like I couldn't watch that at the crib and I used to go to my first to watch I watch I just after what I saying that even we talk about the flag for a second, Right, everybody gets so um hype about the Confederate flag. Right, but the Confederate flag and got shipped on the US. The U. S. Flag is more responsible for slavery and all types of ship. They stopped the Confederate flag, then the Confederate flag. I mean,

they all to me, they all the same. I ain't trying to say that you hang up the Confederate flag. What I'm just saying the U. S. Flag is no better. But you know what I mean, it's no better. Right if we talk about symbolism, it's hypocrisy, you know what I'm like, he said, some Federate flag would tell you, I think you need to be a slave, that needs there tell you the US to say everybody free. But then in reality it's the oky though. Yeah, so you know what I mean. We're gonna say, you know, oh,

the Confederate flag, like that's the one. It's like all these flags, right yeah, right, But but I just gotta say, and now, in this conversation with the viewings American public, we're already sue it's gonna be like fuck that like America First, like American American Meran, and that's the other ship. Americans love them. I don't bring it back to Kanye, but that's the other ship that disappointed me. When he get on that America first ship, that to me is

is worsted, Like that's not it. Yeah, I'm believing that ain't. But there's a comfortable with Kanye says we need to manufacture to marry but America First, that nationalist ship. But he'd be on that ship now that's new ship. But you know the things he's like making his easies in Calabasas right now and now he's switching a factory to uh that's all. I'm say. It's cost a hundred thousand dollars and but but my my phone the end of

the day. Really, like you know, I just think there is it limited you it's a bubble that we see as America. Like it's privileged, just fun. Anybody who ever gets out of here is gonna understand it. Anybody. And it's and it's made my live driver to the to the airport. When we when we started this tour, we

and we was talking. We're talking about the hurricane and all that, and um we somehow we end up talking about Puerto Rico and the ship going on down there, and I we went down there not to seeing what

was going on. I was telling him a little bit like they're not getting the aid that they need and things like that, and this was a problem, right, And it's just no disrespect to him, but just the ignorance he was like porter, He's said, Puerto Rico, Yeah, they're you know, they're they part of us, but not really they just take and and just just the mentality that you know, otherwise he was a cool were you know,

and so so the hold exactly. That's what the lafella is like lafella that the projects right there, that's what we really were fighting all, you know what I mean? And ship and then if you look at it, they goes from low easa. That's what is darker to meet. I spent a lot of time down now. I think that my nikos out there. We filmed the video. They had a song called Old Hector. We went to La Pearl. We filmed the video there. So I'm gonna send that to I'll be That's where I'll be at. Look, that's

the thing. So we could talk about Trump, we could talk about Yeah, we could celebrities you know, they get you know, followers and like. But the people, right the people that's lacking that real growth, that real being woken,

you know what I mean. That's that's the issue. None of none of these celebrities and politicians wouldn't matter if the people had sense as a whole, following joy we was putting in the work to understand what's going on in our lives, will be small basically, That's exactly it. It's not just a celebrity world is to activism world too. As y'all know, when you're dealing with activists and charities and organizations. People get caught up in feeling like a

hero exactly. But if you like, the Dead Press taught me, if you're not talking about food, clothing, show took for the people what you're talking about. It was all this type bees ship. You know, we get caught up with it's very seductive, very sexy to talk about all these celebrities, all these you know what I'm saying, But let me just let me I'm sorry, but I remember, like it was a certain time of the nineties growing up. Um it was cool to because it was cool. I came

up in that. So no like and now it's it's this more gang ain't going on. But how do we how do we switch that back? How do we make it? You know what I'm saying, Yeah, the real talk is, but you gotta let these young dudes talk. Who's called real racist for real? For real? They they they're not,

They're not. That was having a real conversations. We're not recording the real conversation, recording the visasti conversations, the ability of the conversation and conversation behind the door literally at the young stub. And then when they talk about getting their money. They talk about real business round it's real talk, and that's the ship that you want to hear. But I think that's it. That's it right there. It's not that, it's what it is is that the language change. Right.

So we were from the generation of the consciousness of the more where you wear it on your sleeve, like I'm black and I'm black, and I'm black and I'm black. What I see what the what the newer generation is it's not so much wearing on your sleeve exact, but it's about but who am I as an individual? It's not so much relating to this social constrict of race, you know what I'm saying. But it's more to relate in the community, you know what I'm saying, Which I

think that's a powerful move about. Like um even like right now, like Dapa Dad Gucci finally, like you know, high at someone, so we're going out there, we're buying Gucci has a high time rate. But one Dap is not getting all that money now because he's not he's not designing everything. It's it's his brand. But we don't most of us don't know that. In fact, most of us don't know that most of us are going out buying Gucci because we're like they hired that and the

same thing, same thing. You knew. I was going like because the cat was the last one. And then like you got even the old lady. I forgot that they armed mean to call the old lady at the beautiful black lady that came to the award show and she wore a knife and it was not Kaepernick's particularly, it wasn't his ship, but she didn't she was she she was just underwaar. She was like, I'm wearing Nike for and it's like cool, we understand that. But if you're

gonna support and support his ain't the plant. You know what I'm saying that Nike is a Trump supporter. He got hey donated and he chilled and he still doings to the NFL as y on mad prisons keep falling their money. Many owned prisons. Night Is Connected has invested in mad presidents in American more in California, like and so I mean prisoners has a long time. The prison industrial complex has been a crazy profitable investment for many people.

So people like without conscience, A lot of people have become rich from linkers and prisons. Yeah, y'all knew that. Yeah. Now I went to state prison last week with the common who like Captick, so that I feel like we basically we gotta get out of the body. That's why for us revolutionary. But gangster was what made sense to us, because you want to change things, right, So what's this ship? Is my son general Gangster? But what's doing the work? Boy and the other one sell out. I won't sell

that it's doing. But but the thing is balanced. This this is life. If you be on one extreme, right, you're gonna be imbalanced. So it was a time and hip hop culture where it was all about the art, all about the culture, and we pride ourselves on that. We mastered our crafts and we made that work in the world, right, But we went on top of the business, right.

So then the flip side then proper started getting hip to all venice on the master's we're teaching each other through, you know, through the culture, right, And then we started focusing on that and to the to the without focusing on the culture though, right, So then it was about all about the money and and and we're still playing like yin yang instead of the woke folks getting the money you know what I mean, and or the or the rich folks getting some consciousness, right, because you need both.

You gotta have you gotta have some sense and some values, but you gotta have some power and some and some bread to make certain things happen. So we we've been learning this as a culture. Individuals learned that from nate communities. Like jay Z pedigree was get money, you know what I mean? He learned that from his his his circle, right right when he was like I'm gonna tire after

one album. But how many people did jay Z teach through through his actions, right, whether you call him conscious or not, right, he made he empowered people with his actions, right, And then how many people that are dropped all of you know, the weight of the planet Earth and how far it is from the sun, with no business, with nothing in place, not taking care of their kids, you know, right.

So it's not about what you say on the mics, and it's not about how much you got in the bank account, right is what why are you in the position you in and what are you doing with it? That's the new that's revolutionary. Gangs control your ship? Ok? Yeah, yeah, straight up? That brass was on this twenty years ago, bro, bust me that lighter and give thanks to you us too, and a lot of us really was. Like I said, there's conversations if you're in capitalism, like this is the analogy.

If you you live in capitalism, imagine that's an ocean. A polluted ocean is everything filthy you can imagine in this water. Right, that's capitalism, right. But you in the middle of the motherfucking ocean, right, so, and and getting money, right, it's swimming and capitalism. Right. So you can hate the ocean. It could be poison, it could be all that. But if you're in the middle of ocean, you gotta be swimming or you gotta be on the boat up or drowning.

So you have to figure out how to float and how to get towards some land, some some something solid in the meantime. So we can't ignore the system that we live in, you know what, We can't ignore that cap But they still want to watch football, and they feel like they feel like they're not violate. I love football, you'll you love football. I like football. Did you watch football? I watched you did watch it? I watched I didn't watch it. You did you watch it? Because of Cappenick.

Did you watch it now this season? I haven't got a chance to. But do you think people have stopped watching it because of Cappinick? Um, I can't tell you people don't, do you think so? I don't watch too much sports, but I can't imagine somebody who watching watching some people and I think it's something, but I wanted

Rihanna just turn down the stupa that I think. But I think for performing in the Super Bowl, I don't know if you know that they pay no reduction and they paid for like get trapped and all that your restores number one and turn it down to down. I think they understand their platforms, which is why they are who they are, the sisters always. They understand their platform. They understand the power world the platform. I don't. I don't. I don't watch sports, but I think that's a personal choice.

You know if because like I can't imagine, I don't know, y'all can tell me. I can't imagine somebody who's been watching football every sea, every every year in their life, but who also is woke right and also agrees with Kaepernick's position just saying no, I can't watch what you guys will turn the whole TV off, right, Yeah, everybody, Okay, if that's cool, and I get it, right, I mean, but my point is asked, kick, I like that guy, you know, and I understand we all we all, we

all agree with that. So then if that's not gonna work, because I'm not saying it's not, I'm just trying to say that ain't typing people, wasn't sucking NFL or any of that ship. So that what works because I think he I think what he's on, what he's doing works. Yeah, but then how I think I think it's bigger than the fun that we plugged that Into's something that works.

But it was the thing about it. But the thing about it, the thing about it is it was publicly known when Chris Style didn't funk with us and we made we actually made a difference and said fuck it that it was still don't do that. That's what I'm saying. This is not Christal. What's the difference between everyone and founded. Everyone didn't have access to Christal because it was it was expressive. NFL is free, NFL is free. You know what I'm saying, Like Kristal was was advertising, was it

was a luxury. It was a luxury. Look at it. Who wasn't had luxury, didn't like fun crystal anyway, They couldn't afford it anyway. But look at it like that the bottom you gonna be. Yeah, but now NFL for free, Now that's that's his that's his biggest So on the other end, but I think it's like a Dolli effect.

I don't. I don't think they were able to see it when I Leave was doing it, yeah, yeah, when I leave, When I Leave was out there, you know, with the ward with anti warship, when he was when, I don't think they saw it at the time he was hating the spies, Yeah, and I think they were saying he would never work again. You know. I think

that the impact he's bigger than boxing. You know. I think I think Kaepernick's way and shout out to all those brothers, all the athletes or athletists who do take them sacrifice, because there's so many who have gone down that road backing, rapping though. Um, these people who have gone against the grain and made the NBA say you know, you can't come here no more. And because and I I think you just don't know that. Yeah, that people too. Why the people that lose are the ones that we

big up. And then like colon cap right there, it was integrity, like we all kid night on that right now. But people mad because he got a check from Nike right like we was happy. It was like you know from the I'm not moving say like people be talking. I think that's a bit, but hit me all right. He my thing is Captor stood on his ship like he's had one hunter, right, more than one hunter. Quack lost, you lost his name, You still got a v and you lost work. You know what I mean? What about

the win? See, we want to focus on and I think that was a win to he it's a win. And before he got that Nike check, with the money he was making from the NFL, he was donating millions here and there. Drop took a plane to some mania doing all that ship. So he's clear smart man. He's talking plane in Somalia, got with supplies Somalia a place we can't even land. The place that that straight where you where where in the USS? Cap cap cap walk,

the walk that conversation. I mean he thought that he's trying to fit and actually humble in spirit knows that at the end of the day, we don't all know it at all, but ready to be like, how can I do it? How can he got white parents? And what I'm saying that he unders he takes he has a level of provilege that people don't have, and he's like, I'm flipping my level of provilege to do as much

as I could possibly flip it. That's the best way to help count on racism is to have you know, not just us, but have the white people there with racism fighting once. That means he got he got white parents who are great people. I was saying, his parents a lot of people, and he got a lot of

good people around him. I like to shout out to the people who who have been molding him in the Bay Area, who introduced me to him, who are like very protective of the fact that they know that like he's powerful, yeah, and being an athlete is, but what he comes from has integrity, and they're like, Yo, this is the bay you know this this man, this is the Panthers, you know. And and for the time like, we don't know at all, but we know my parents with my parents and people's move going out to the

Bay Area to get that black Panthers. Yeah, that's right out to the value system. Man, That's what the o G said is based on. That's what the Panthers based on. That's what families based and that's what they're missing value. And that's why we have people in our community who are celebrities because of the engagement. They're missing the connection to that, you know what I'm saying, Like, they're missing that.

Like and you know what, I don't want to I really try my best not to be on some get off my lawn ship, I'm saying, like I really tried not to be on Stai Friday. I'm not. Yeah, I don't want to be to get off the law, dude, that's not how you want to be, you're saying. But but, but but when it when it comes to policy, when it comes to the community, Like I'm not talking about rap shit, you know what I'm saying, right right, rap shit? Little little Pop probably is as good as niggas think

he is. How would I know? Do I know? I know, doesn't matter. My sensibilities, has nothing to do with any of that, you know what I'm saying. But when it comes to when it comes to the ship, we're talking about you have to. You have to look at what the what the O Jesus did before you, not to emulate them, not to copy them, but to also learn her name is stakes. I'm saying to also because you're standing you're standing on my shoulder. I'm sorry, I gotta cut you off. This mad girls to come and see

dead rap artists. You do that, Okay. I just want to give a shout out to my wife who walked in the building. We just won't get here to see these guys. Guys are bad, all right. So one thing you can take away if you had to stop and do it over the hip hop, you can take away Wow, man, that's too tough, bro to stop and do over whatever. You know, whether it's yours or someone else's whatever, it's

want something that hard question. Yeah, that's like niggas don't be having no no regrets, you know, like that that was sucked up. But I learned from it and I grew from it. Like my man d One told me, and around one time, if I if I could have been the dude who was in the lobby who could have told the girls, don't don't go upstairs and see pop and turn around you your life would be better and you and Bob, you'all can save you a lot of a lot of hell. Maybe I'm maybe I beat,

Maybe maybe I be that person. Yeah, shout out that run yeah, come on our shoulder now, Okay, then get here on the mat. Yeah yeah, stick yeah, come on, come on, run around. Let me go to Spinish. Let's get a letter. Just let's get a letter to day moment. They're gonna bring you one blah blah again, don't keep it blah blah blah and everything. We're about to. Let me see you in a minute. Then come on, man, one thing and one thing. Of course you're sold out tonight,

they coome on, gotta something last. You know, I'm so out. We have to sell out everyone. Anybody got to sell out a little bit. But my back, no, I think I'm with with quality. Like you know, it's I don't really do regrets, you know what I mean? So like, uh you know, uh, for me, I say this person on a personal note, like I came in the hip hop and I got influenced by street ship. Right, Okay, maybe I said Maybe I said it wrong, Okay, Okay,

maybe I said it wrong. Maybe speaking about some industry ship. Maybe it's a someone who asks you to get on the records. That better. That better, like that you passed on the record, like we all asked you to do a hook, let's go. Yeah. I felt very very very happy with choices. I'm you know what I mean. I look like I'm gonna say, you know, we got a chance at one time. Um yo, shout out Linda McMillan. Like to work as the loyal Yeah, continuously. I feel

like it's gonna be interesting. Yeah to he introduced us to Rest in Peace prints, and we were on the same night that we that we were introduced to. You better not you better not say it, but look so that stories happen every time. Yeah, yeah, you better not say but now Yeah, I just want to say that, like they do a record with you. Yes, we we we spoke about it right there. And there was a record called them as the President. Yeah that's crazy, but

this regular exist. Yeah it doesn't exist, but I regret that it doesn't do a pause. It could exist, It could it could exist, and like very very clear, Yeah, we could have followed and we could have made it happen. And he and he was very clear about what it was he wanted from us, Um, and this is a great story. That's why. Yeah, thank you. I'm glad to share it because you know, Prince knew who unius and it was crazy because a lot will Smith said, you know it's no you don't know. I was sold like

more than more than he knew who we were. He had an opinion about it. And just because I'm gonna say what he says, Yeah, I'm to say and I don't think it's no disrespect. I mean me neither. So I'm gonna say this. Of course you're gonna say that. Look at the phone. I'm gonna say this here. He was like, look, I want you to First of all,

he's like, I'm a job's wusiness. I don't want you to curse on the record because I came up to Prince and I came up to a nasty prince like so it's like, okay, he wanted to do something my different president, but he don't want to curse. And he said, but I don't want you to be soft, um, and he said like like like I would work and this is no respect, no disrespect. This is just real as real as it was in our conversation. Damn should I share this. Yeah, okay, fuck it, And it's just really

well because I love his brother to death. But he was like, I would like, I know, I like, I like comment, but I like y'all because what y'all do. So I want y'all to do that part of now you said turn that off. It's because the show is tonight. And he was like, give me that press, don't give me comment, you know what I mean. He was like, be you know, talk be wrang, that's what you know what I mean? And and he was specific about that, you know what I mean. And I just gotta ask,

did he have on a purple shirt? Yes? Yes, your whole purple? Yeah? Yeah, I think he really did have on purple. Yeah, straight straight and that wasn't the first time. But anyway, I just want to say dig up to him and I and I really because I envisioned that record and maybe we should just take take that record them as the President and clip with it. It might be pointing right now, right now, the right time. You

didn't get to the core with President. I didn't record with him though, but if girl DJ Forum q DJ for him and like, I did a few shows with it, and you can give it one show that maybe we didn't speak about before that like a little We love print stories, say, I've never met it. I've never met Prince. Gave us a crazy Prince story. I saw that printing momp, but I never I never met friends or Tupac. I met Big, I met Tupac, and I never met Michael.

I smoked the blunt with Tupac and John Forte and see knowledge from Plan that's crazy at the country club. You know it's crazy. I was technically conscious at first. Yeah, I know that that Tupaca is Now come on brod under Soldier story and all that show that hooked me when my homies called, like hooped me. Actually, there's a point where people really if you really love Tupac, Yeah, I can track people who can't keep a black man down video now they can't keep a black man down.

Tupac ship that that sold the story fucked me up. She smoked the blood. Let's kids keep it dead for a second, Piggy. They were together and Sarah Jones, you know the poet Sarah. She was Sarah Jones is one night or this one night? This is John Takethay party Big And it wasn't John take birthday party of Jessica Rosa Bloom had a party at country club okay, and I think maybe enough reflects with DJ or somebody and Tupac was performing and Big showed up or biggest performing

in Tupac showed up. I don't remember which is it when they walk away, it was to walk away the bandana ship that error. It might have been play Now, it was country. It was country club up in this like in the seventies. Okay, okay, okay, what I'm saying. And yeah, man, it was Knowledge was around. I was saying, that's why he that's every time I see that Flavoring Year video and he coming with the cool like that

because he was hanging out. That was that. That was like the club clip the niggas in the play Ving Year video, like Rampage Buster. You know what I'm saying, Big Puff, know what I'm saying. Like we used to see see Knowledge. We was downtown Brooklyn. We just moved on the same block. We moved to Brooklyn. We came to Brooklyn from Tallahassee and we was right there on s what was it right downtown sat Elliott? What was it was this? What is the spot with forty because

it's at right acrost from Brooklyn. Text Yeah Nick, so boom, we supplay that block, were having the way to go. We was really virtually homeless, virtually, so we hung out on the block and we see seeing see knowledge over there. We was young and then Nik has he at that time he was blattinoum platinum. So we ran up on him and were scared the ship out of him and away. We're scared of really Philly, but he wasn't. Were scared

of coming hungry even hung young season ship. But we don't see knowledge before in I just wanted the boat. Ya favorite era in hip hop? Favorite hip hop? Don't it don't matter viewing it or not. B DPA, But that is that golden everything is that BDP eight. That's what I was about to say. Eight is the year. Don't at me. Yeah, don't debate me. Nineteen mother, that's the year. Yeah, that's rip, that's paid it fuld as light as rock us DJ. I'm a rapper. That's right.

That's that's that's takes a nation of millions and everything you're saying business, that's the creatives. Slick Rick World's greatest st critical beat down. So so so my point is, like all Juice World fans probably don't know none of those records. Yeah they don't, so shoot it up to

y'all here to go. No, we just got a whole discography for you to go study, right, But because I know that I know the reference points I talked to the I'm in the studio with the young when I say what your guys may be like, what do you just say? You said, I'm like, no, that's my camp like, but then they have no reference points. So my point is like, that's important to know that the Juice World, the guy that got the guy who was sticking on the Yeah, that guy, but he's I didn't know why

you said that. He has an interviewer alway, he doesn't know that. I think that's the hot Yeah, I'm saying I'm not being I'm not being specific to him. Okay, Okay. I thought there was an interview that I didn't know about, watched and he got into his whole Yeah, no facts, just I'm just kind of putting the generalization now that that this audience is the one who really I think if with what's going on right now, absorbed that ship help us. That's that's like, that's my dream. I would

love to see that happen. So you eighty eight as well. Of course even mom right with nine nine don't have to run. That's ninety three, So it actually stressed. It gets stress ninety three because at ninety and nine and nine one N one, that's when you have like drop core quest site s on platinum. Yeah, that's like ninety yeah, yeah, was ninety two. That's three. That's N three, so like eight eight to ninety three and yeah, and you're forget

about the West coast. Yeah, like early West coast, like we're talking about what we're talking about ninety three, Yeah, that's ninety three is one of we're talking about boosting them. You know what I'm saying. We're talking about right now. Hold on, now you got to define that is because now our error is stretching drink chant, we give you tie, let me go. Let I got two of that, or I got the worryport, which is ninety seven and then uh,

I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. The reason why I gotta say that that is because I like that it was fun back there, Like sometimes I don't know if these kids are having funnel, they're just high sometimes having fun too, they haven from being high. It's a different kind of thing that happen. Yeah, it's different. Ye, that pie of ship, that the pillot, that's the heterocratics. That's a little different. Even even when crap came, man, you know it was early.

They were even rolling the whizzlers. They are saying, Lean is not the ship, right, Yeah, at this point, but let me tell you his name. Let telling his name. Coaching cs coach them is his name? You said, where's the name coaching at coaching them? Okay, big him up fit, hot music, healthy is the new gangster. That's what we are. We're got to talk about RBG PIP club. Yeah, and we're gonna get on to live artists, right artists. I don't own him and he's pretty good. So it's time

for me to take a pp breaking man like that guy. Okay, we got but I don't have a little minute. So you gotta take pictures. We gotta Okay, you gotta do what you do when you go to media, black media, that's all. You don't forget about the Yeah, yeah, that's not the second. I think it's man to dreak chats peaches, peach, Why are you don't just sett We need to exactly like you need to open the pale rings a pallet then almost bring but you gotta red black and green

with you. I was trying you could have did that, but there's no way you're gonna tak black very high like this shag You got something with that right there. It is because people like Knya, Yeah, I'm the most yeah active, Yeah yeah, so drink chests back from the run break. I want to pick up that. Let people know your owner vot TV. But we always, you know, drinks to rocket. We always, you know, support that ball as well. You know that Shaggy. Here's any round that

a Shaggy. He has his own cocoas coca coconut butter. In my mind, I couldn't even stick in my mind. And and Kanya and look it's awesome little Wayne ship. I want to take a little Wayne to rump. Yeah that's good. So we can take a shot of y'all.

I think it's about right we take a shot of that, because you know what, I can't be saying, I can't give you that that brand, me saying artist support artists, and then me not open that do that because I'm really not a Kanyak dude, even though I do not, but I like that you y'all like that I'm not a Kanyak guy. I stopped. So you've been drinking, Yeah, I have, because you don't have whiskey. But it's cool. I can handle saying I asked you don't drink it.

I'm gonna be honest. I wanted to do a study because, like I want to see, like, why are people genetically like because it's like what you drink. It might be racist because I drink because it's cheap whiskey. I think we genetically. I think I'm not think I think every racist like that. I think I think that's the reason why, like certain like I'm being honest, like because i'm giving out wrong. Yeah yeah, but if you've been put on the ship, you drink it. And that's what it is.

Because I came. I did it all. You know what, man? I started with ian J not mean going to high school, started with almost right oh you right up. I started exactly like Strand. And so my point is, like that's the worst part of right and through stages when hand came out, when mob D would have the Hennessee jerseys, I was I was rocking hand when I would started staying and I went to Mexico and got thinks and I got tequila in my system, and that for many

years before all of the tequila. But now I'm arrived that whiskey and it just is with it. You can't judge. You can't judge me, you can't judge I honestly feel like I feel like what I noticed is I feel like at the end of the drinking is a game with levels. You go get your whiskey at some point, right If you don't, you ain't really drinking. Really you want whisky. Put us, put us, give us some whiskey,

put us on. Like I drink jamison. I'm yeah. Some people drink drink the Black Johnny walk Up, black Bread and the green and it's cool. But I know, you know, I don't. Like I'm gonna be honest like moved. I have a no. I don't drink heavily whiskey, but I can. I was introduced to whiskey in Ireland. And the reason why I know about Ireland is because its flaw no, no, nothing like that like that. It's it's black, it's black people,

it's black people in Ireland. Really it really is. But really more than that, the Irish people who got a connection to the Black Revolution. And I'm gonna go right there because that's the reason why I respected it the most. When when we went to tour in Europe, it was the Irish and the Scottish people who came to us and was like, Yo, what is your opinion? What do

you think about Rupert Murder? They hate and all that movement to all that movement, all that movement, all those people are also um, you know, associated or a friendly with anti imperialist movements around the world. But when I say anti imperialists, I mean like anti like capitalist colonialists, and I know these deep words for us, you know whatever, I just want to say that that's the reason why we can relate, because we know we have common likeness.

So like, um, like the Irish people was like I support Malcolm X. I'm like, what does whiskey taste like? And that's how that happened. Well, listen, we are celebrating tonight, your brothers, your brothers being here. You know, we had a great conversation when we're gonna That's what I like, I keep continuing to say, we have to keep supporting us. Man, tonight that press your name age, my brother, like you

don't want to pronounce it wrong. You know what this lesson Nico, Nico, who was amazing, who had the fantastic project coming out with I'm gonna be a part of don't tell us that the next tell tell us, tell us what's going on here? Oh excuse me, I mean I mean made him at Prince House. Yes, in the same hair. Yes, I'm not telling that. It's nice right, Yes, Charles a little Wayne Man, We support artists. If you will wrap up, you send your product big up to

Earl Man e forty as well. Man, I can't believe we have don't eat forty win. I'm gonna be sure. I was about to say to you on the West coast same time, the forty during the eighty three ninety three what was it that was our span? Yet straight out the rappers grant while we added there shout out the outlaws when you come out it was coming right here,

but shout out, shout out, shout out outlaws. They got a new water, alkaline water coming out called town so outlaw and morels I say that again, outlawed mores, Tupac you know what I mean, I ain't know when you hear that, man, he got you know what, it was good. So yeah, So Nico is just from Brazil and I met him in Orlando and he's one of one of my favorite and you know, we have to go on tour. Nico. I dropped the album called Brew just a couple of years ago as new albums called Unico and you know,

you know, I let Nico speak for himself. Man, that's beautiful, beautiful pieces. Honored to be here years against man Um. I was born in Brazil, and uh, I grew up in Orlando and I was doing music out there and his son was going to school out there. And then that's and he just made it happen. You know. He walked into a nightclub, got handed my mixtape and the next day we did a record and shout to Trisca Trica,

my brother to Trisca locked up something like that. Yeah, and all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, fast forward a few days, I'm freestyling to him in this year and it's that it was really the freestyle, you know, you know, I come from a tradition of freestyle back in the day, and you know, shout out to Supernata. I'm saying, like people like that and Craig and I heard Negle freestyle on a level that I hadn't heard freestyle along. You know, we gotta hear the last anybody

never heard you heard anyone freestyle. Drink Chance is the first time that was beautiful. That not know what I'm just saying. No, I wouldn't what I'm saying. You gotta like you're just coming to you know, this is a dirty pop. I appreciate it, you know I was. I was gona to say that publicly because the Derpy said he needed so this is where we come and to be best beautiful. This is the first time a new him see that's beautiful. So you got you gotta free style.

He compared you to see that, no question, Yeah, pure beautiful people. You're gonna you're gonna say a word and he gonna he gonna, he's gonna start the rhyme more with that and then in between the rhyme, did you say a word? And then you say a word? Act say a word and if you get this is the one to three four five. Wrapping up the Ferry time on Drink Tip Fibaro a scissor. Can we see the language? Can we can? We do it in four days? Ain't let's go, let's do it. We do what we need

to do. Man, I'm honored to be all right. Ready automatic, uh, he told me, automatic, he said, stop the track, he said, even though the thought was a chakrat. He met Shakra Khan. She's a nice woman. She's a nice woman. It was a segue. I'm doing better than the next days of stick, he said. Listen, I'm gonna move to a monastery and study. Come full, come through, he said. Young dude, he said, And it's hard when we're shooting videos with Thursday how in the jungle, it's hard for me to be humble.

When you got to put the okra in the gumble shoot it's delicious, hyperbolic, hyperbolic. Find the property said he probably see the P I M P. That's why he gotta suck, he said, find it in the pocket suit final fall out. When he said this hyperbolic step, sepy start to stop. Okay, I wrote down in the eighties as a long as a long time. It's a long time, I said, thank you. In Russian girl spot spots Seba Spots Seba. We was levitating. He was meditating with most

in Barcelona. Watched a lot of legal He said, I'm talking to peace, piece to the leader piece. That's why we say piece of Frieda. That's why we're saying piece of the old, piece of leaders and piece of the creature, piece of the beasts. Why the beast is never equal? He said me, that's different, and negativity is awful. There's no squares in my circle. That's not a waffle. He

came here off at the top of the dome. I'm with stick Man, I'm with Tolo, piece of the love, piece of the Zulu piece he said, piece of the YouTube, my old G forty six on the bluetooth. He said, listen, I'm trying to call you be. You're not picking up. Said listen, that's an adrenaline rush. I'm sitting with Nori. Piece of love, piece of that fan, piece of energy, piece of love. There's no pressure. It's the offer that all the wrap with through your legends, you know, like

off the off the drinking. No pressure, no pressure cloud. I mean, man, that's on that may hint here for my do mind teka may he said a little bit different. He said, I know the leader. He said, piece of love and piece of freedom ship. Okay, I hit them that, Keith. Well, I'm gonna tell y'all, man, is hip hop were alive? Well, because you're gonna do I know what you're doing this this final goodvice and it's gonna be a great people.

We need to talk about RBG Pick Club. Okay. It inspires me when I see the movie Man that get out of here. But I know that right on, I'm going the way A wait, since you did that? Do the introduction? Man, God damn clapping up up. Let's clap it up for everyone being like, wait, what's what's what's the air horse for? And now he's directing the air over here. I'm I'm a conscious content a conscious content

creative m C. That's a new title anyway. Ye so yeah, I mean quick, quick to the money, like shout out to my wife who was my partner in the RBG Fit clubat Yeah ABG Fit Club Podcast. What it basically is is, you know, long about twelve fifteen years ago, woke up in Brooklyn with gout in my leg from being a drink champ, you know what I mean, and m and it looked out all the time, and I decided to clean out, you know, nine years sober, no

no weed, no alcohol, and just change my life. And I started stunning marshal arts and yoga and running and became a long distance running coach, marathon all that ship. And I didn't know that the physical training was gonna take me somewhere different, just in optimism, you know what I mean. I had a lot of pessimism with just being in the struggle people on cracking my life and all that. And when I've seen you just through training and being focused, how how I made a difference for me.

I wanted that for more people. So we created r B G Fit Club for that to be a platform. It's based in five principles knowledge, nutrition, exercise, rest, and consistency, you know what I mean. And me, my wife is a nutritionist, so that's how I got rid of gout natural and and so yeah, ALBG Fit Club. We say healthy is a new Gangster, and you know we go hard on that and it's just about um inspiring people for healthy leather. So you know what I mean. Yeah,

it's a nutshell. I'm gonna give my life together. But no, let me say no no, because it ain't it again, It ain't. It ain't a judgment thing. We all got

different balance and all that. It's about nourishing yourself. It's about training, right, but most of us about enjoying life, you know what I mean, and just having the wisdom of balance and tell if you can't enjoy life, you got to know the thing what you really learned is we we think that you know, getting high, getting drunk is enjoying life and that and it can be fun. But you can also enjoy discipline, you know what I mean. You can enjoy the sweat, you know what I mean.

It's therapeutic when you when you run, it when you when you're pushing yourself, you can really enjoy that like you can when you run you get a runners hot, you know what I'm saying. So you know, when you're eating the right food, some of the things that you crave, um, when you know you're eating better, you don't crave the same thing. Like you know, I used a lot of drink. Erkan jerk, you know what I mean? All that, but

once you start jerk, you know I mean? So you know that you mean you change, you change your yo yo, your your cravings change you know what I mean. You know, you go to con in the four and get a colonic and get cleaned out, simp for Hendy and tell your stomach car you know what I mean. So it's it's just about you know, for me, it was about I got bigger. I got bigger values than just being high all the time. You know what I mean. I want to be there for my son's a certain kind

of way, and I want to be fit. You know what I mean. I want to be I don't want to be limping and ship in my twenties, you know what, man, I want to have more balance. So it's about longevity.

I just want to say, and supports as my partner, and I mean some people who have gained that journey to through like healthiness and wellness through some of that present songs like be Healthy and as we're sitting here and as we inebriated, as we all want to say, because devil sitting the trade right, that's the devil right, the devil go alive and so and so I just want to say, there's a lot of people during our shows say thank you for sending me on the journey

through health and wellness through this song Be healthy, and we wrote it at a song where he wasn't really at that healthy, you know what I'm saying, And that's the oxymon run and the thing and that people, the people. People are always on their journey, people are learning, changing, growing through the process. Is all good. And I love to see how many people have Now we're like the embracing of like what health and fitnesses in the world, and it's a beautiful balance like yeah, but a lot

of us are really like game. We yeah, we understand that wants a drinking water or going to the gym. I see a lot of our artists out here working out and people like styles p I see Jim's Jones,

I see nothing. I mean, like so many artists who are in the gym, you know fits the fifty Center and you know Game or whoever, anybody who who's who understands And I mean it can be egotistical, but the party and possible is a part of the fact that people say, yeah, I want to kind of be here, yeah yeah, and like you can't have your heart yeah yeah. And it's not just about what you look like, like how much you weigh, Like that's the surface level of help.

It's for us, it's holistic help right, So it's how we feel, you know what I mean? Became yeah, yeah, we like such an early age, one years old people is a McDonald's. That's what. That's what got me out. We was fighting, were fighting, We were fighting every day with everything. We was going through journeys of figuring out vegetarianism and veganism. There wasn't even a really aspect of vegan at that point. It wasn't a thing. They still so so so at that point, like we were trying

to figure it out. We we don't know. We're like, okay, stop even beating the message to the message not start I'm poor chicken, the beef. What do we eat? And we we used to drowning and and relapsing and Kentucky Fried chicken double teeth backing the ship. But just because during the week we're trying to stop so hard. But it's a balance and it's a like staff, it's a culture that's people could have the knowledge, right, That's another thing. People,

you can have an information right. We we know we're supposed to drink water, we know we're supposed to eat greens, and you know we have the information right. But we don't have the inspiration that acted on it. Right. So that's what R B G Fit Club is about. Its creating using we make music around it. So like um um, so you can have the inspiration to door like there's

something like coaching them new album healthy Gangster Like. It's about when you when you need that extra push, when you felt like half ass and today you're gonna you're gonna give it a hunting and ten percent because it's motivating, you know what I mean? Like, that's the part missing this the information age. It ain't no information you can't get but you can't get you can't um information don't apply itself. You know, inspiration gotta do that. So we

used the culture to bring it forward. Its beautiful out to get spreaders. And though the hip hop we have no age limit, we have no limitation, we have no nothing. We can continue to do this ship as long as we want. We ain't playing football. We been running on our This ain't basketball. Well needs didn't you drop out? I'm a Williams. My LEAs is not good. Everybody everybody black named Williams out there. I believe you. I'm trying

to tell you. I believe what I'm trying to tell you as and I like, these people want to push us out of this. Uh. And they want to just because they say it's a young man's sport and they can feel a young man's sport as a young man's version. Okay, it's a young man's version. Yeah, hip is. I mean it's wrong by the youth. That's why we can't believe, like really like critique them too much, because that's there. The thing is, the thing is we have our own

audience to kated to. Right, we should be worried about the audience. And yeah, I see we're saying that. We talk about old school in our show, right, And when you say the word old school, people think they automatically think a time period, right, But that's not what old school means. Old school means a certain set of values, you know what I'm saying. And that and that's timeless, you know what I'm saying. So it's not about going going back to our era and trying to recreate that

is having the values in you know, that's timeless. What I'm saying timeless. And this is what I was just trying to tell the brothers is you know, um, so many people so many, you know, they just go unappreciated, and then sometimes a person don't even you don't even get the chance to hear thank you. And the staff the position that your brothers took as a person that knew better. But I was just so involved with the

other part them like I was. I knew, I knew how to talk to the gangsters, way more to speak to I don't know how to speak to them, But I also spoke to the guard bodies. If you listen to my music, I spoke to them because that's where I came from. But your brothers was out front, y'all, front line brother. I was second wrong. But I appreciate you, and that's appreciate that's really versus what I'm saying, Like I feel like me like dies and people like that.

We were second roll because we had to still we want to sell bitches and ship and people and we got Yeah, I'm not like that up up because it's like even even when like we're big fans that you know, you you see like you were a part of us, want to be a duo and all that, man we look at you, is you in this box or box? You know what I mean? We know where it's coming from that we all influence and trying to grow and

give power, you know what I'm saying. So that's how we appreciate you all with me in the front line and the last thing that I live. I just need you to leave these they'll stop. You don't have to talk to every racist on Twitter. Like every racist on Twitter, it's like I feel like you wake up in the morning. A matter of fact, I keep killing them. Don't keep killing like like that perspect you know, like I get im.

I don't know how it work for you. Yeah, yeah, but let me just say some time because let me tell you what I'm like, Man, it's it's it's really awesome that there is someone who's a star war fun that isn't Yeah, that's what I like, kind of get that. And I'd be like in my mind, I like, you're like my spirit Twitter animal, and I'm like, you know, because you know why he's bringing light to these people though.

So the thing about that's exactly what the thing about it is, like that's these people are really the people that are the person that says that that other people who bring the cars back in Walmart and they're like little to be at the top, they will be frying. He'll go and look at the Facebook from six months ago. You had a Confederate flag. Remember now you playing future?

I see you God, And I was like, what you give this guy his whole little audience, just crazy people just following you sat back and I just wanted to like and yeah, people audience. So I just want you to be because you're giving people audi Sometimes I'm gonna be honest. I'nna be honest. Right, the most craziest ship in the world. Right, if right now I stood right there, just fully closed, no one would would say something bro stood right there, budass. Next year we will all turn

around the thing. Right, But what happens if we just said that, don't look at them exactly. Don't look at them exactly. This is what this is what rollers? But this smatrollers can't stand hit my perspective, you don't look into my you know what, they're standing the naked. For my perspective, if you were sitting there naked and we all pretended that we didn't see it, you were super shire. I never that it's true, and that's true. I feel like it's still a problem. So but the minute you

say something I could indulge back. And the thing is is you have such a big audience and you sometimes I love because I've really follow you. I love it, I really followed you and not really sometimes that, but you'll be following the person who has seventeen follow us and then actually I'm going to progress. That person will be a hundred and seventy three until they get yes and then they're going yeah because you you do force them. I do for if you keep going, I love it

and don't get high blood pressure. Yeah, listen, listen and we got I know we got no problem, but I got I have a very high I have. My life is very I have a incredible life. I need one advice for you, wine of champagne for me, champagne. Let's go very very credible life. I don't have to do anything I don't want to do them. And a lot of people are working class. They gotta do ship. They don't want to do anything like I choose to do

what I want to do. What I'm saying, and I'm a I'm working class, like I'm not rich for any leaves, like I gotta go out there and work for a living. But I'm blessed to be able to choose when and how I do. Right, So if you see me on twitters, because I'm enjoying that, shoot like and and and that's the part of it that I appreciate that people really be concerned about that. Sure you'd be like, have you

seen me like that ship? Give me fucking superpowers? Like Takanye with the Magahazen, like how you feel when he read whatever was saying. Yeah, So I enjoyed. I wasn't with the problem is with the platform. You know what I'm giving people. But here's the thing I'm from. I'm from the I'm from the cloth of make a racist famous. It like like I want all of them to be famous. I want I want them to be famous. I want

to see him coming. I want to lose school school, especially in this era of social media where you're talking about people who voluntarily saying, I'm a post to Nazi ship on Twitter and I'm you know what I'm saying, like and like Donald Trump, Donald Trump was running for president, he retreated neo Nazi account seventy five times. I was saying.

A year later, Nazis is marching to Charlotte, Charlottesville running motherfucker's over killing my fucking you know, to me, this is not comminker know what I'm saying, And that's all it is. Like I'm looking at it like like in the online face in the digital space, black class man. I didn't see it, Spike, and I was interested to see it because a Spike. He it was ill Spikes the ship it was. But my mind is it reminded

me of you because something you like. He gave a guy the audience, but he he actually brought him down, but it was so much. The thing about it is he has spent so much time on taking this guy because he was speaking to David Duke. This is a black guy because David Duke is some story, right, yeah, story, But think about like you. I feel like I know where your mind is. I know I act time you came here. I asked you to get in the politics. You I don't think you said you wanted to be

in politics. Um remember okay, but um, because that's what I think. I think. I'm sorry. I feel like like t I, if t I was mayor Atlanta, I would with Atlanta a little bit more than already. Politics. It's a cold game. But the thing is that it's the music business. Just hit me out, hit me out, me, hit me out, hit me out, hit me out killing

I never okay, hit me out, hit me out. The way you got examples of the music business, right, you got like cool herbs, and you got like um these people who who sacrificed for us, but then they didn't make it. But then you keep going up the ladder and there's people more and more and more. I think that We'll Smith and Dave Chappelle, although they were playing around, I think yeah, I think they were playing definitely, But I would not that was just playing. I would not

how about how about me? I would not just want to say, there's some very equipped brothers. It takes more than just like popularity, not nowadays, that's not what who's in the order to get it. I get it, but that's that's not qualifies leadership. But that's not what qualiflies Will Smith is doing with his family qualifies as me. So I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that his

old family, I feel like he gets struck. I'm saying way glory I understand that and believed me like because in this age, because of that, none of his daughters was component of person who we can have some accountability to around themselfs icons that that's a strong black man. When you got I'm not I'm not himself about I'm not man. No one debated that ship. I don't want to say that. Shut up, I'm not mad. I didn't win to put some sparriness niggas spells nigga said that

was a strong black man. You have a sorry. I don't even can't we eat pork? At this point, I still sucking with Will Smith like that. That ain't nothing. I'm saying, Oh, we're poking all that. I don't even Will Smith. Chapelle's to put in the galaxy some ship, some ship that could bounce back and maybe and then we can say, yo, we want to really do that to day? Is it we endorsing Dave Chappelle Will Smith? He said, I got to do I respectfully, I read

with the factor Jesus, great guy. It's what we got the doors Dave Chappelle. But I was I would flipping. I would say Dave Chappelle for president and Will Smith vice president. You know why? You know what? Disagreeing he had too much and this is not too much. Can't Bush. We don't fertiicizeber because we gotta go. But listen, real for real, you wouldn't you would? I would you would?

I mean you now you now you gotta qualifiers. But obviously obviously my choices between Will Smith and Donald Trump, who else is qu for the next Okay? So then let's talk about that. Okay? Yeah, because the who would who would you get behind that was running for the txt president? That really bod could with him? You're talking about Corey booking Florian book. I kind of disagree with

some of you know he in New Jersey. I just no, no, no, we we disagree with him for real, for real, would be it's hard corean corean don't do It's hard in this in this space because people haven't have to be aligned with Like what's going on in this power structure? Man, my fucking beat is running it and they aliveing. It's who are enforcing partners, spitting on everything, They're enforcing the

policy to make its real talk, that's what's happening. Like you got like people with money who buying the presidency? So like so you asked me, who then doesn't have to qualify to be a rich person and I'm talking about people who really understand leadership and who can lay down organization. They're gonna lead fairness, people who were, like, really been studying. I'm an anti capitalist. So there's almost nobody in this in this shape, but I think everybody

understand doing better. I think Bernie because and that's why people understand killer Mike Moore because he was a supporter of burning. My thing is like it might be crazy, man, all these people kind of that's that's kind of there's someone who's ten years old, I kill Mike, though. There's someone who's someone I just want to say this click. There's someone who's ten years old who is not invested, because everybody's invested. And that's what I've come to understand.

Like I'm invested. I got kid kids to feed, but they're at a point. Has to be somebody who's not invested that says I see a better world than this because we all got to pay the piper. And then so somebody says all that, why don't we live fairly?

And I think that matters that there's movies you can call it a fairy tale or whatever the fun, but I'm not gonna say somebody here that there's yeah, there's a Corey Bookers and the Kamala harris Is and the and the people who are standing up in this democratic versus republican But I ain't know this people who's not none of that. Shout out to Rosa Clemente, you know what I mean. Shout out to Rosa clement to show, Yeah, I ain't gonna lie Rick Puerto Rican, Rosa clement You,

I'm gonna be honest. If I could, if I could have Will Smith in the White House. When you got a movie you can text, you got that movie, you can that. Yeah, I'm let's make a listen, we're gonna we're gonna bush that roll spiperda take a picture, a picture in a couple of drops. All right, No, ta works first, pure, you gotta relax. This was great, Yo, This was great. This is like