Episode 140 w/ DJ Marley Marl

that's time for drink Champs trick up motherfuck three. Would a good be hopefully is with this two biship boy in O R. What up is d j e FN This motherfucker drink Chaps Harry, I'll make some right right now. When you think of hip hop, you think of hip hop royalty. You think of a guy who had a record label back then, who had so many artists who broke, so many artists, who who stood the test of times. I heard through the grape vine that he might have been the first one to sample who don't get We're

gonna get to that. I heard through the grape find that he was the guy who discovered rock Kim. I heard through the grape vine that this guy, this guy has been countless. When you think of like the first CEOs in the first you know what I'm saying, he has to be up there with it. Like where you see a black person together a company, the first time we ever heard of a black person on a company, a recollabor at this time at least. Um, if you don't know who the hell we talked about, we talking

about motherfucker legendary Molly. So let me let me let me just take it from the beginning. You don't want rod um, Let's take it from the beginning of how did you? How did you? How did you even like, you know, come of course music fell in love? Basically I was, you know, a DJ out there playing in Queen's Bridge in the park. You know, we used to do jams in the park and you know I was dude in Queensbridge, coming out every weekend. So at that point,

one day I had the musician Cats coming. You know, it was down one side. It was like around the time when hip hop was just bubbling. So what really happened. It was like I had the band plug into my system, my boy Andre, and then the next day that the musician started coming to my house. So I was ready

to DJ. Now I got the musician cats from the neighborhood, liked everybody's that started coming into my house because I had a big system, and and that's how I kind of caught the bug to become more than just the DJ. Because I was already at DJ. I went to be that special DJ that had special powers. And when I say special powers, is it means like special mixes, that nobody got something special. And that's you know, that's when

I first caught the bug. So let me cause I mean because um on Shan's record, he says, hip hop started out in the park. He said, hip hop it was set out in the dog it out on the door. Before you said that, I said, I'm gonna tell you a story about where we come from. So let's make that clear. So this is like, this was our neighborhood story that that it was a tape floating around the neighborhood. And that's how the bridge got started from you know,

it was like a neighborhood tape. And you know, you know, nobody was trying to say, yo, hip hop started, and that from that record all we started hip hop. We said, we're gonna tell you something about where we come from. But who who are you guys looking up to at that point in hip hop. Um, well, the only person people was looking up to was probably cast from the hood that we was able to see because you know, nobody outside of the hood, not really, because you know,

I was really young, and so I was. I was too young to go to see Bambardo when he came to Queen's Bridge. So there was you know, that was the other generation before me. But if you understand what I'm talking about, so um I was, you know, I was looking up to the cats in the neighbor, like Dr Bob Lee, you know, like um, Jappie Jack, who's on the record, you know what I mean. Gas My brother Larry Lad was the DJ and the man, the mastermind that put it all together, the electronical wizard. His

name was t Tom. Wasn't that the first record that came from Queensbridge or not? Not? Not other records? Yeah, you know what's funny about how hip hop sits with Queensbridge. Before hip hop, there was like a whole disco era out and there was a cast from Queensbridge, like the Andre Booths, the Daryl Paynes, the Michael Bailey's. They had records on the radio already Now, those was the Cats

that I was looking at. Maybe that's why I became a producer, because I'm looking at these cats walking around in the hood and they got records on the radio. You know what I'm saying. Daryl Payne roll most of all of every disco era song out thanks to you and and stuff like that. Um, you know Andre Booth, he had this beat his mind back in the day. So you know, I'm walking around as a little kid in Queensbridge. These cats got records on the radio already, so I had I had like a a bo to

catch up to, if you know what I mean. Because all the band Cats was already famous, it had records out. So I was like, okay, all right, that's real good. So what what what was your first record? You even saying was successful? My first successful record, I would probably say, Mom said, that's a huge record. That is a huge That's what I'm trying to say, because with me, I've been on both sides, and I've been in the beginning

of hip hop. We made, you know, we made a lot of attempts to do things that that that's neighborhood favorites, but it ain't generating publishing. What I'm saying so um, I would say that was, you know, like a big record for me, that Around Away Girl, that transcend. I believe when I got to that point, Around the Girl, I'm sorry, kid came out of me. I'm sorry. Queens right,

there's Queen Okay. But I say all that to say that, you know, for me to even to rise up to be able to make that record, it was all into making I look at my whole earlier career was getting me ready for something kind of big. I was just you know, it was kind of sparring. I'm doing records,

we're making history, we're changing how people produce. But well, you know, I just look at it for me, sparring to get to something that you know, I needed to get to to make an album like that with l L you know, every track, if you know what I mean, To make an album like that and to make it successful and to be what it is and the sit in people's minds and psychees like that, I had to get ready for that. So every record I made up

to that point led up to that. Now in the Chant movie, right you was actually producing in Queensbreak, So that's what it was producing in Queen's where she walked by, and you was was it was? It was, it was close, it was, it was very close. Um, I didn't my

window and faced that way. But it was kind of like that because I already knew she was like a freestyle king and Queens was like her Shan Cat in infinite And you know if a bunch of them used to be just on the block freestyle and going that blah blah blah blah, and then he used to always have a crowd. Sometimes we walked through like, damn, this little chick is killing these cats out here, you know

what I'm saying. So you know, one day I told, you know, I had that that rock sand beat, and you know, she had an idea to do something and I've seen it that day. I was like, yo, blah blah blah. She's like, yeh, I'm gonna put my clothes in it, in the in the spend cycle else and all that was real talk. She ran down the laundry through it and the thing ran upstairs, did one take and broke out, keep the work out of here. One take.

That was one take, and she did it. And now that she she wasn't even taking it seriously didn't even know. We didn't know. We didn't know because because she hadn't done records yet to that point, I really really didn't because most of my early joints was not supposed to be records. Like I said, I want to be that magical DJ with something special. So you know, my first recording that I was working with before was um Sucker DJs.

I only did that because Sucker m season. I wanted a special version that only I had play something special with the chick talking about the Sucker DJs you know what, and pumping me up. So I was like a dub plate. You know, most of my earliest songs wasn't ever supposed to be songs. They was supposed to be something special for me, but the public grabbed onto it. Now, is it true you just like discovered rock Kim. Um, I wouldn't say I discovered rock Kim. Rock Kim came to

the crib with Eric B. Queensbridge. I was living on twelve Street, you know, in that same apartment where we did the Shante record. And I'm from Vernon side of Vernon, but my sister had an apartment you know how Queensbridge is, and she gave me the apartment. It was like the rent was like a hundred a hundred n out a hundred ten dollars a month, you know what I mean.

So I just like used to pay that for the year and just you know, running for crib and you know, have free electric City and yeah, and just you know, just go in and just make joints. That was her apartment and rock Kim came. Rock Kim came. No one he knew who rock Him was. Now and now I check this out now. At first, I believe Freddie Fox was supposed to show up, bumpy knuckles, bumpy knuckles, and he didn't show up. So we're looking at like, yo, Eric,

where's your man. He's like, no, I don't worry. I got somebody coming to the mall. Blah blah blah and bang. Then Rock Kim came. Now you got to think about it. Now Rock Kim comes, and you know, Rock Kim wanted to go slower. He went to Rome slow because you got to think about it. Before he got to my house, I was already like dabbling a little with Kane, dabbling a little with g Rat So we were they wasn't making what music and it wasn't signed to you at

that time. Kane and came after they got with the label. But Kane was always business writer, so he was always lurking around. He was always hanging around, you know what I mean, you know what the easy he could make sure if you get back to this point, you know, the crazy thing is Bismarck is probably the only person who was probably a front that he had a ghostwriter him an easy eat and no one cared, right right,

So from the beginning, Kane was writing bis rhymes. That's that's I mean, I think bis row was earlier stuff, but the stuff that really makes sense. But you can obviously tell even picking bookers, I didn't even think Kane had like a personality like that, Like I don't think he can't talking about it, talking about that. Yeah, you know, Caine was came was, Kane was dope. You know. You know we're gonna get into Cane in a minute, because

you asked me about Kane. He's definitely the one that changed rap and and getting something crazy and it made me better. They stay on rock him here, right because so rock Him comes now. Isn't true that um every be for president was actually the tragedies record. That was actually a record called Stunt of the Block, but it

didn't have that baseline was the same drums. So what I did, when you know, he had the idea to use that I had, I was like, oh, made me strip the track of Stunt of the Block and just keep the drums and let's add and I played that over and that became erb As President. Okay, so that's all that comes to the crib. Yeah, Franky Fox was supposed to be there, but yeah, we called something that day. Yeah, we made My Melody first in Queen's My Melody way

in the living room in Queensbridge. Old Eric as President was made in a living room in Queensbridge. Made her you got a credit on the you gotta buy that apartment and just make a studio of my dude. That's great ship. I would have never thought. I would have thought that was the one only record, like you and Chante like. So there was other people coming to that house and it was the house on twelve Street, just the house on Street forty first for the first set.

That's fucking markets I'm trying to say now I'm having lived in the next building. Compson was made across was across cross. Hold on, hold up now, I'm sucked up. Now. I feel like I don't even know my own childhood right now, I'm so oh my god, it's Colone building right here. Did you say in the building right before having building? Right having room his head? I was the

building around that corner building straight across. Wow, and um Jesus happening them was it was like kids were happening his Actually his uncle used to be blasting the music out there when it doesn't even having yet, you know what I mean. And I used to battle. I'm playing beats out there window. He's playing music, so I would play last some time he would play. You know, so what made you? What made you say? You know, let me get out of the bridge, like because such as

these great things has happening still the projects. I got a little too famous because people started like showing the showing up, hanging out and you know, and and girls was coming out there getting this treat and trying to meet me. Was like, let me get out of here. Somebody you want hell yeah, But you know, I had I had to. I had to get up because you know, started getting a little a little a little crazy with me living out there. People used to be waiting in

front of the building for me to come home. It was the very moment where you was like, this is it, Um, that's a little man. I must sucking molly mall nigger. What was that one moment when he was like when he was like the moment came some some girl came to Queensbridge. She must have really wasn't you know? She wanted to meet me. She was like intrigued by me, and you got the flat top of the time. I just started making not you know, I never bought rings

and changing. Okay, okay, okay, I like cool had cars and houses, Okay, okay, but um, a girl got really like they really they disrespected this chick because she's trying to meet me. She just came out there to meet me, Like, oh, we could take you to but first you gotta do this. Oh you gotta do this, you gotta do this. And I started adding the story. I was like, yeo, I gotta get out of it, because you know that could happen.

I could get blame. You know what I'm saying. She came out there to meet me, and you know they just did whatever, you know, let stiff her back then, stady. So they just did whatever. And I heard I heard about the story, and I was like, you know, I wanna, I gotta, I gotta move right now because somebody could get hurt right yearely was you know? It was? It was crazy at that point. Did you what up? Drink Champs. Army got a really dope company. Um, that's you know,

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it out. Man c videos can change your life. Did you always know Queen's Bridge was a special place? Because everybody likes to think your hood is like like you know, you like you like to think your hood is the best hood in the world. The reality of it, everyone around the world things like that when you actually thought like that, and you guys made the bridge? Did you? Did?

You actually was really knowing that Queen's Bridge is one of those most special places are I kind of felt that there's something special because Queensbridge is set right across from Manhattan. Damn, you can see you can see success over there. You see the money, you can see the money. You know, inspiration. My windows faced Manhattan when I was a kid. They didn't face the hood. A lot of my friends who's who's windows faced inside the hood didn't.

They didn't think about going over there. I saw the lights of man Hat and I want to be over there. What's what's what's going on over there? I want to be over there. So my whole thing as a kid was looking out the window because I lived on Burning looking straight over the park High. Yeah. So I'm seeing straight across past Roosevelt. I'm seeing the skyline and the bridge going on the side. I want to be over there with the lights. And it had inspired me to

run to them lights. That's that's that's crazy. That makes so so I want to I want to dip back into the box and movie a little bit. So, um, when did you see did you have approval for anything for her movie. She did. Her story was her story. She know, she did her thing that was that was strictly her story. I you know, I'm glad she was able to tell her story because I didn't know it was that deep like that. But I didn't know. But I was dead like the other personal stuff, didn't know

the person stuff. I didn't know it was that deep. So I'm glad she got to tell her story because you know, you know, you survive abuse like that, That's that's why you had that strong person. I didn't then keep your face going, you know, with everybody else and everything was going on and people looking up to you in a way. So you know, I got a commented for that, and she got to tell her story. That

opens the door for me to tell mine. People in my mind yet, yeah, because this is one time I think she's on toll she kind of trying to make you look bad. Do you think, um, um, what was that think? I think she uh, she was on tour and they said that in the promoters and and the man just stolen money. Yeah, and she's in the movie. Um, so I'm she didn't make me look bad because I steal the money. Right, I just stole the money, you know, look like that back then, though, I mean it was

you we gotta think. We was like in the early part of hip hop, so nobody knew what the hell we are doing. Everybody's like, we're flying from the seat of our pants. The next thing you know, she she came to my house and recorded that freestyle. One tag joined like to three weeks later, we're on private planes going to do shows. Crazy, don't you know what I'm saying? Three shows in three different states, so we need like

a private situation to move around that day. And it's like like three weeks later, the three quartering the right, right, right, So we didn't we don't know what the hell we are just it got real popular, real quick because that was like the like, I don't want to say the beginning of the hip hop, but that was like the stages of hip hop actually finding success, like and actually starting to be on the raider because from there that

lets you on the radio. When Mr Master actually I played her freestyle the rock Stand and Freestyle or Mr Magic's w HBI show back in the day at one time, and it was it was like a week before Christmas, so it was just crazy that that the record company that grabbed the record, they had records out by Christmas. They had records out in seven days, all over the country. It was, it was, it was, it was. It was like everything just messed up, right, if you know what

I mean, everything messed up. They ran with the cassette we played from I didn't even mixed the record down the master. I played check this out. I played it on our show, and we recorded our show playing the record and gave him that tape and they made the records off that. So recording of the recording is the

wax recording from the radio wax. Yeah, that's why it goes, Oh my goodness, because Magic was talking over it on the radio, and the record came out like that, and they got it out in seven days, and you know, you know it probably did it probably there really well because it was all over the place. Rat was new, Rock Sand, Rock Sand was dope at the time. And then here comes to female. You see how many other records came out after that, trying to be rock Sand's whatever, whatever.

But it was already too late, if you know what I mean. That's when I realized that that I had something, Because if anybody was following like that. I was like, oh, I gotta make more joints. They following, so I gotta I gotta move on this. And that's when I really discovered. With the success of that, I was like, wow, you know, I started doing shows. You know when you know, we came out, We came out Head and we came out to Miami. You know, we all over the place with Seante.

You know, we used to have the little eight to a drum machine and this is you know, this is before. This is before Luke Scott Walker was doing um like two Live Crew. This one he was like he had the djst style DJs back in the marriage to that was there was book Lie but the timeline don't know if you you know what. So I came out with an eight away and we had we put it on some base because he used to have the girl style DJs.

He used to have a crazy system sounds. It was so you you know that they used to have like a warehouse was like a like a idea. It's like, look, look before your famous. They used to throw these parties girl style DJs and it was like big supermarkets, but it was a club and they had these big, huge sound systems, speakers as told you could see. So you know, one day I went out there with my eight a weight.

She used to do her freestyle and you know, time can't lie, Timeline can't lie people, do you straight up? So I came out here with the eight o eight put that ship on boom. Motherfucker's was like what the everybody read it and look because he had the big system. Hey,

I'll come with an eight a week next thing. You know, a few years later Miami got Base, so you know I could I could have been when I brought the base in Miami with the awight with back in the day, because everybody ran to look and see what the hell I was doing because they were just playing the records they were. You came and played original records that played

the eight. You know, I brought the eight away drummers drum Machine actually did it right there, plugged it into their system and she was doing a freestyle and everybody's like, what the fund is that? Oh ship? So how did you meet bis Markey? Bisin? That's he was another person that came out to Queensbridge to meet me, okay, and so he hung out there for about a week and Queen's h He just was hanging out. He was on like you know, business was like, hey, well, youn't even

corded him, you did. Nobody beats the BIS. If I gotta buy this apartment, somebody out what I'm saying. So yeah, so he came in. He was like like that girl, but he came out to the Queen. He came out to the Queen's Bridge. But he was like a guy hanging out. So he hung out on a twelve street. Yo, were good. So you're hanging with them for a few days that he go on this block. You're hanging with them,

just staying on the block overnight whatever. Next thing, you know, like about the fourth day or fifth day, somebody said, yo, nig in the hall with beatboxing, and I was like, yeah, I want to hand no feedbox ass nigger right now. Buffy's out dusk. Everybody you know, like it ain't a room for that right now. It's like, yo, buddy nice. I was like, all right, let me go see him as soon that Ni could come in my house to mom.

He made a quick demo the next you know, that very next day, which was make the music now now now because Bis, like I always say I want to play Bis in a movie, right, you know what I'm saying, because he could he frum comedy like that's that's something that I like, I admire about hip hop. I just always felt like hip hop was so serious, like all my videos are always like trying to do some type of comedic did how did you know that about this? Like did you or did you even know that? You

knew that? I recognized that when I saw him on stage because he used to you know, when he once he started working with Shant and they started doing little routines, and I started saying, seeing he kind of nice, but he he ain't rough like everybody else be working with g Rapp, you know, g Rapper carry with the lyrics back in them days, and even Shan was nice. Shan was kind of nice back in the day, if you know what I mean. So when Bis came this, he

had some fun. He like saying he was always joking in the studio, so his rhymes we kind of never took serious because he's kind of joking and laughing and all that, and you know, so he started bringing the comedic side out of us. So because because Kane wrote nobody be the business. No, it was business. Um wait for my movie and see like, yeah you know that, so you because I do have the original demo somebody else did years wait for the movie and see wow,

that's that's that's to be right about that. Actually, drink holly, but throw it out there, my brother, you gotta have a drink with us, a brother, come on, come on, all right? So what else was it recorded in the bridge before we move on? Of course? Of course the bridge record was of course you know that Molly scratch was recorded in the bridge. You know, of course we know everybody's president. And my melody was made there, um roxy and chante. The earlier, my earlier take it off

by spoon EG was made there. I made that there, yeah, take it off by spoony G and what else? So so those are yea my earlier records. How are you guys recording the vocals? I had a four track with with with a bullshit mike, with no a real four track with the real Yeah. First, my Morley's Crash was a four track of set. Because you know, I was already sampling, I alread, knew how the sample, so I

was beating people already. I could add a two track and still beat people because I was sampling and taking the breaks. Nobody knew what the funk I was doing. Did you? Did you you started sampling um for for hip hop breaks? Um? I don't know if I if I did or not. But I made that ship fun. You know because my brother and the you know, the High Fidelity crew from Queensbridge, they used to play a lot of breaks. So far I was a DJ, so I had access to the ship because my brother was

one of the DJs. We went to the service I had that's to all the ship they was playing. So you know, nobody used to Busin Beat was one of the records that they used to rock as a breakbeat. You give what I'm saying, fly like an eagle. That's from that ship, you know what I'm saying. So I would take elements from my brother and them records and you know, make me seem older because it was shipped that they used to rock before I was I was able to get on. At what point is Jewice Crew

getting created all this? Now? Jewice Crew, you gotta think, sir Juice is Mr Magic? A lot of people run up to me and say Mr Magic, mally mall, but they called me Mr Magic Molly Mall. That's two people. A lot of people don't know. Mr Magic was the first rap the first person to play rap period on the radio and bring it and bring it mainstream compilations.

They used to come out right. He used to be on late night, you know, playing the rap music, you know when nobody was even caring about it, you know what I mean. So he was the first rap DJ. When he went to BLS, that's when I got with him. I became an engineer all start May Marl with the mixing gloves that I never wore. So, um, how did you a sh Shannon is from the Bridge obviously shan um chance actually from Brooklyn? What chance from? You are

killing my childhood? No chance from left Left fits left Fits Boulevard or Leftts Avenue and in Brooklyn. But his mom's his mom's father was was Graham's. You're gonna go a lot of people's childhood. But no, no, no, but that his grandfather lived in QB. So he's the frequent and that thing started getting famous. He still started staying with his grandfather. But you know, his first contract that I got just says left fits Left its boulevard wow from Brooklyn's Oh goddamn, Oh my god, I tell you

this may be the most important. I would have never thought that. I would have never thought you would have said that just for bick up pick up, bick up ship happen. He did did red for the hood. You know, you know he got our story told. So how does that happen? Because this is this is a legendary record, This is the this is the whenever you Queensbridge, they're gonna play this record. What I'm saying, Bridge, you got you got telling the story about naas they tell a

story about Mark. That's the first record they're gonna go to. So how does this come about? Do you know you're gonna make the anthem for your hood? For thirty fucking years and not checked this out? It wasn't supposed to be a record, Like I said, Nothing that I made was supposed to be a record for you to play. I was supposed to be intermission music for Queensbridge day in the park that I could play in between the bands. What so that was like that was like a Queen's

Bridge intermission record for us only. So I played it in the park and I believe that, yes, somebody got killed too. God bless the rest to day. I guess little Hose eight from TENN Street, right, he got he got, he got hit. But that's what it was. It was intermission music, okay for in between because the bands was hot. We wasn't nothing. The bands was the ship. Every the record comes out. So what happens after the record is made?

Do you know? That's what I'm saying. You and she ain't looking at each other like we got the anthem for the Hood say, it's just the intermission, just intermissive intermission. So and so we made it two years before the public heard it. It was already floating around the Hood heavy. My nephew leaked it out Fredo who leaked it out to the Hood, and then like everybody had the tape. I was like, damn. And then you know lawrenceon and

was doing beat biter. Uh. You know that's when Shamon's going that LNG is like, yo, put that on, you know from Philly, put that jump, Put that Joan on the B side. Man, there ain't no record. That's some ship we made in the house for Queen'sband's Day. What you're talking about now? I put on the B side. I was like, yeah, let's let it go. It's already leaked out in the hood. Next thing you know, me

and Shan started doing crazy shows. You can you know, you know, you know the reaction you get a hot joint. Next thing you know, your show appeal start going up. And that's why I knew that work. We started getting crazy shows. So then you what do you what comes out after this? Um, the Bridges Over or the South Bronx. South Bronx came out. South Bronx came out because Magic c Carross. One of them was that Power Play while we I was recording Power Playing Queen. Yeah, that's where

they made Bridges Over. They made that ship in power playoff you want to talk about in the Beatles, they the Bridges over. They let me explain. Let's explain that now were using the studio doing bite this. Okay, we don't about South Bronx. We're talking about the Bridges Over. Right. When we're talking about we're talking were gone now places play studio right, Okay, I'm in I'm in the A roomps in the b room. There was they was but

but checking because they wasn't even knowing nothing yet. The just and they're making demos just putting their money up, going in the lab getting me together. Now we we're in the studio. You know, scotlar Rock comes in the room. You know, Mr Magic please to meet you. Thank you, you know, bah blah blah. Could you please come in our room and listen to our ship and tell us what you think? So you know, in my magic I'll be in there later. Mr Magic was very unruly. He was.

He was really me and the motherfuckers. You know, God blesses, you know, God blesses, godless so but you know he was. He was one of them dudes that he was like, yeah, if he didn't like you to tell you, oh, man, what the fund is wrong with your head cutting? He's like that, okay, okay, by the way, you did say that the king. That's why the head went up. And now now Mr Magic and your molly, now this is

you know, I'm just magic engineer, Dji. You gotta be about it could be about seventeen eighteen or some ship. I'm mad, mad skinny because I didn't make money yet, you get what I'm saying. So I'm like anorexic. He's like, you'll come with me, man in the room and listen to the I was like, all right, bet let's go. So now we're going the room. They put off some song. They all going, they're jumping on crazy around the room. Mr Magic looking around, he just goes over to the volume.

Now I'm turning that ship down now you know how it is in the studio, and just get silent. He looked there and said, Yo, that she is bullshite. And because the whole cruise like a whole room full of motherfucker's, it was just me and Magic and then they could have just started squaring off if it was real like that, but I guess it wasn't because that was a square off moments it was. It was real disrespectful, Yo, that's bullshit.

He said, Yo, you wan't real hip hop. Mc shan rock Sant Molly Maul, Mr Magic, Mick, get the funk out of He just bumped out the room on these niggas. What did you think of the record? Though? It wasn't It wasn't what they It didn't It didn't have the energy of what we made them come out with. It was in South Bronx, if you know what I mean. It wasn't nothing like the album They regrouped the ship. They didn't play South Brons. That wasn't the record. No,

they ever come out. So you guys just magic nothing that Mr Magic is from Brooklyn. I thought Brooklyn. He moved to the Bronx. Okay, okay, okay. But then after that that put that you know that ship now heat this stuff like that. So everybody he said, and they face they put on the record, m Rox and Shanta is good for Mr. You know what I'm saying. Everybody who he's putting their face, they might have made that record that night. They could have got the fuel that

night they make it. Niggas got the bridge outman funk that South bron So you know that could have fueled that. But next thing I know, I heard South Bronx and I'm like, I'm like, to be honest, I was like, Yo, niggas ain't gonna believe these niggas, man, fuck them niggas. That's that's how I felt about that first, Like nobody's gonna leave the niggas man, because you know, number one,

we ain't say that. I don't think people was that dumb kind of to believe that ship to believe what that that that he said that we said the hip hop started in Queen's Bridge, but we didn't say that ship. I'm like, I think we didn't even say that. I like when people smarter than that, they ain't gonna believe that dumb ship because we never said that. Who's gonna believe this dude. The next thing, you know, that ship

became a hit. I'm like, that made me think that damn that niggas is like kind of slow, especially at that time. I made me really think that. I was like, Yo, yeah, but you know, it's it's all good because you know, we need to teach you in hip hop was history and I'm glad we made history. But in the beginning, I was like, I didn't think nobody was gonna believe

that ship because we never said that. And so so Shan like, Yo, let's let's go back in the lab and let's go make um kill that, you know, which I believe should have been like a three verse record or maybe two verses because it's first two verses out in the track is the track was kind of dope. Then they came back with the bridges over which you know, it's just crazy. What's crazy? And so that day we

rushed at the studio, magic distem. I leave my drum reel, My my my magical drum reel that made Eric Reas president, that made nobody beat the bills, that made me go ship. They take the box, they shake the drum reel, and that's the drum drum bridges over because you stop one number on the seats. Well, they took my drum, saying yeah, that's why that is so Fun's like, it's my that's my That's why they collin and say, yo, we took it from Eric Begs president. That's my ship. That's why

I said, so motherfucking funky. I don't think carris One told us that part. Now. I don't think that's gonna be the most important. I don't even tell y'all some more. I think he like the book drinking you left that. So so the bridges over actually comes out, you said you don't believe it. But what was what was like the biggest blacklash for that, Like was it a moment where you where you felt uncomfortable, like because serious I wasn't working with them change when did chores with them

and make commercials and all that. I was not later during that time period. That was a little after because remember they had a sprite commercial actually have been a sprite commercial. I was like, no, I ain't working with that, man, y'all go get that, y'all go do that, because you know, I was like, I wasn't working with them for for years and years. I ain't. I ain't work with all that.

I was like, I didn't. I wouldn't start producing g Rap to get what I'm saying, g Rap and King, I just went to the next, next, next level ship. But you know, I never I never want to make money with it. I was like, man, go ahead with it that. I don't want to be no commercials, none of that bulls. What was it a time where you you, you like, felt shaky because you know, like when a person they like most of the times when you have good battles, like real good battles, they'll say that once

a person leave, the other guys finished. Like it was at a time you felt like that because of that record or though nah, I felt that I had more in the bag because he was producing. I was like I had more in the bag. You know, I was already working with g Rapp already he was like on the low. We probably had a demo already, if you know what I'm saying. So I was already on on, you know, and then King was hanging around, you know what I'm saying. So I was like on the next

phase already. So I let let that one, Let that one go to where it was going. How are you now with care? We made that album when it was a big, biggest selling that we made Hip Poplars. It's one of the biggest sellers. That's one of his biggest sellers. You know, that was years after because I only did that because I I read his bio because for years I didn't you know, I forgot about these nicks in the studio that day, that Magic you know what I'm saying,

He used to this the main people. It was like this so so regular. I don't remember the disease niggas at power Play for we got read his bio and it said it in his bio Mr. Magic power Play, and I was like, remember that day. So for years, all of the years, I didn't know why they were so mad at us. I was like, you think it's mad at us man, we're killing ship out here, but yeah, we're changing the game. You're mad at you know what? I'm saying, so I never sucked with them what they're

mad at. We were slaying the game. You get what I'm saying. So I never understood so once I saw that years later, oh that was them dudes. Now it all makes sense. I saw Chris one day, I was like, yo, Chris, I didn't know you then that time in the studio me and started laughing about it. I said, yo, man, we should do something. And then we worked around and you know, did that album. But that's how that all happened. But you know, I wasn't working with none of that

ship back in it. I took it very serious. I took that ship verning verning bull of our serious. What was it the room was that just Ice came to Queensbridge one day. I don't know, okay, I don't know anybody could come to Queensbridge come about in the morning time ten am, yeah yeah, yea, yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah. You know, you know, nobody's gonna go starting because I always thought that the beef was like respected, like I always thought like like like like she had new what it was and care rest knew what it was. So they said it. That's how it ended up. That's how it ended up. But because they started doing shows together, they started doing the commercials and doing a lot of stuff. But to get it, it was none of that. Um No, I wasn't working with it. But I never sucked with

it at all. I never you think you think it would you would have like it would have been violence if you would have like Queens. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's crazy. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. We gotta. I don't think we watching over Juice Crew like like like the like the Marvel Comics of hip hop. I think Juice Crew was like like like like the epitome of like with the firm was supposed to be and like these other like certain things it is supposed

to be. Uh, But the Juice Crew was the first. Was definitely the crew blue print. It was a blueprint for what was next to come. Even Coach Chilling was a blueprint for like bad Boy and Cash. And I didn't own Coach Chill and I was a staff that was an owner coll I was a staff producer. I always took you old. Let me tell you what my first my first job of Coach Chilling, I was a staff producer so they would have I will pop up

with the artists and go in the studio. I was making sixty five thousand a year the first first year. Then when we got with Warner Bros. Started making two hundred thousand hours a year. But I still lived in the Queensbridge making two two hundred thousand dollars a year and my rent was like a hundred fifty dollars. I had to get I had to get the funk. I had to get the bad man. I paid the rent for like twenty years and she so um. You started

working after Sha, after Sean Tate. Is that when Big Daddy came come to the rap Rap co Gi rat rappers from Corona Corona slash left right and need the left rock a little while I'm big, I'm gonna big it up in my building. I think I believe right. Yeah. Ce Polo used to go to school with me. I go the wild ass schools because I never When I was in school, they kicked me out of every school

period because I was, you know, robbing everybody. You would never think that, but I was the nigga robbing niggas you know I was. I was so nice I could go in the closet in school and go up in the event and come down to another classroom and go through their pocket. I was nice with it, spider Man, Spider Man, what I'm saying, I told you the MARLP. So so from that, they kicked me at at like regular schools. In like fifth grade, I had to go to like six hundred schools. It's like junior jail type

rich Wood. I went to school. I went to PS four. You know, there's nobody alive from that school where nobody's alive, damn there. But um, you know, and I went there and you know, and I met Polo. Polo was in my class. So you know, after I got famous, me and Polo stayed cool and I was like, yo, man make a group or something. Man through something and get a wrapper. And I told him, get a rapper, you know, I I rock with you, Shi, And he had his

new dude, the Frosty Freeze. First, that was his first rapper. They made a record called Polo Polo whatever, and then you know it was whatever. He went to jail. He's still in jail to this day. I did. But but then he got g rap up do dude was you know. Then that's when the whole my whole production started changing because g Rapp now g Rappers on some different ship.

That's when I started, you know, sampling up the it's a demo ship, the drumming ship before everybody, because you know, he was on that gangster ship early, I mean early before I've ever heard it anywhere else. I wasn't always hearing g Rapper telling little gangster stories and street stories and ship. So that's where you know, I was tarking with him. And then and then then we moved moved up. From then we started, you know, bis then we started

doing um, you know Kane Kane. What came was this is this hoo flat top gules and eight nine came this Who's after not someone talking about he's talking about he's business writer and I didn't believe him. Kane talking about went to fast. He first in the afro. He didn't have the high top figure. Okay, so queeze breast down and I just want to move to the story. Okay, okay, started you move people to the story. You just moved right on the block. I mean the story. I'll tell

you a funny story. But I got my first got somebody. I moved right to conroll I the same exact things and townhouse. Yeah, I think it's like, think I can still see you there. What do you mean it was a town Oh you have the town. You have a town looked like a townhouse. It was just still a regular forment. So you moved to a story. Yeah. And now now now business ly, some some Afro looking stick up nigga knocking on my door talking about yo, I

write for bids. I'm like, you know, the burner right here, man got the door halfway open and ship. I'm like, if you write for them, tell me something that didn't come out yet, and he told me one of the round was opened the door, come in and ship. Yeah, I write for bids. And he's late. I'll had this for him for today. So we're sitting there. He's like, yo, you know, I want to see our sound on tape. Because he wasn't trying to be I mean, like you just want to be right. He was. He was a

rapper already. He was dope, but he wasn't really flexing to us that he was a rapper because their whole thing was let bids get on first, and he's gonna open the door for everybody. You know what I'm saying. So he was, you know, he just wasn't doing protocol and he's like, yo, you know, yeah, you know, but but he was in the room, in the room and he's like, yo, you know, I always want to see our sound on this joint. He said, you know, I'll take you there. And I whipped it up real quick.

I mean, that was the first, the first recording I haven't made with him. While we was waiting for bids, you may, I'll take you there, his first, his first record. Ah, and you know, and I went to the record company like, yo, business writer, is this ship he needs to come out. They're like, no, man, he's the writer. They was, they

was trying to front back Seat King. Yeah, they're trying to front at first, Like so you know what I would do with Kane just record ship around everybody because coming to the studio when so and so it's gonna show up, you can't come to the lab blah blah. So we started doing his album kind of behind the scenes. But the first the record company they fronted on Kane, they say, that's business writer, you ain't no rapper. But

they didn't hear him. I did. I'm like you know that nigga nice, that nigga, that nigga nice enough to come back later and change the motherfucking games. So so so you but he's not so he's coming up. So when was it with the Afro with the Africa and you told him, you said Magic told him. Magic was like, Yo, you ain't getting on stage represent for us with your head like that ship. You ain't getting on stage represented

Juice Coup with your ship like that. And then I think that's when that Hot Top Faith pop back with the Hot Top Faith. So you got to see k go from like come up, we know that to to because at one point Kme was like like jay Z, like of now time, how did you? How did how did that feel like? Getting to see that process? Um, it was really good because at that point that's when Kane changed rap. After Rule Rapp was never to sell

him again. It was never the same to break that down for us, you know because before Rual, before I made that record Rule with Big Daddy Can, everybody was whopping the can. You know all the records, records, you couldn't walk to roar. That was that ship that made your face got who the funk is that? After that for two years straight. Ror had to be the last record played in the club, in the club at the end of the night, because you can't play nothing after

it was so dope. People had to catch up to that, you get what I'm saying. So when rock Kim first came to my house, you know Rock Kim, you know, I saw an interview where he said, Molly trying to change my style. I didn't try to change the styles, trying to bring him to where where it was going, because eventually he went there. Anyway, you get what I'm saying. The first record was my melody. Then everybody's president took

a little faster, do you know what I'm saying. But my my initial idea when I first heard rock Kim was to speed because because King was doing one thirty something already. You know what I'm saying. King was already speeding there. He was already speeding, He was already rhyming off of fast beats. So and then later on in rock kim career, I let the rhythm hit him so so song. So everything's fast because Kane came made he can change the game with rur that was it. Nobody

couldn't make White records and no more it was. It was already public enemy came out speeding, l I was speeding. Everybody was speeding because Kane took the tempo. Came a motherfucker's want to quit. I know, I know, motherfucker's come to me that that that that nigga's loved saying. When I first heard motherfucking came, I was I was going to quit because that nigga was nice. He changed the motherfucking game and he was smooth with it. Then once

the bitches started liking him, it was over. But you know what I'm saying, it was over. And then he did the Madonna and he want pop. He moved out to l A. You know, you know we had to excuse that hold out to l A. But you know sometimes you know, like like we was pioneership, didn't know what he's getting into it. But you know, you know he got he got Hollywood and you did the Hollywood Hollywood and definitely do you ever look at this new

generation to be disgusted? No, I look at it as evolution, bro. I can't evolution is a good way or evolution? And was we evolution in a good way? You get what I'm saying. Get the people who don't like what the young kids is doing. You're too old. You know what I'm saying, because when I fell in love with what I was doing, I was about eighteen years old. So whoever's eighteen years old? Pythone love what they're doing right now.

And that's that ship. Niggas in their forties and fifties. Man, shut the funk up, man, that these niggas do it. These niggas did it kids, because did you stay honest? I'm sure when I came out with some sampling niggas like there ain't music? Is he doing what I'm saying? Everybody's like, man, funk that that ain't music. The musicians was mad at me. I'm sampling you, musician, niggas. Now, I got a button to press. But what table is probably saying the same thing about us exactly, you know

what I'm saying. So I'll just call an evolution. Man. Let these little niggas do what they do. Man, if they want to mumble, mumble on, niggas fun that do that ship. If that's what they want to hear, go ahead, ship. I told niggas around and where you you ain't mumbling niggas ain't trying to even hear you, ain't trying to get you better. Get your mumblong. Let me tell you that, get your mumblong. Niggas gett paid right in private jets. That's very true mumbling. Now, come on, bro Wally, how

the hell did you miss Knaves? How you the inside? You know what the funny ship about Nas with me with Queen's Bridge. I never knew Nas run. He never came to me. He would always stand on the side and watch. So you're saying, like that ship in the album the rock Shan movie is like, I don't remember he Ryan for he was sucking. I mean he was sucking with Hub like that. Because of Seante was a street girl, so she knew everybody all over the hood of course. But Nas never stepped to me because I

had co Omega. Co Omega had sex, drugs, bitches and money song out in the hood. Yeah you know listen, um, I heard it called Mega first, like he was the first like guy heard from Queensan's like underground of course prior. But that's that's why, that's why NS probably never stepped to me, because I already had Mega Mega was working with me but he kept going to jail. Yeah, let's say, damn, Mega kept going the jail. I remember that. You know, even you know, even with Percy tragedy back in the day,

you know, you still live on my block. He went to he went to he went to jail, and I didn't control so you know, I made sure he came over the money. You get what I'm saying. So you know, all right, boom, but you know, him and Mega kept going to jail, so I couldn't really get it how I needed to be because they would come home, them make some hot ship. Next thing, you know, they're going for a minute. I'm like, damn, what then are we supposed to be doing? Why are you going for a minute?

You know what I'm saying. Mega Mega had sex, drugs, bitches and money. That was some song. He made it in Queen's Bridge before anybody was on that ship now. But he went to jail. Yo, man going away. We're in the studio. You know I'm going away next week. You're going where you're going. I'm going to jail. I gotta do like three points, so like what the fund is talking about, I gotta do like three three three, maybe four or five whatever I'm like, come on, bro.

So that's why you know, with nas nas never really stepped to me because that street ship he was doing already already had those dudes and certified cats fund the hood. You know, I already had Mega and and you know the second verse on Live Motivator, that's the blueprint of Queen's Bridge. You know, anybody that's here my voice, go listen to the second verse of Live Motivator, and that's the blueprint of of what was the yet to come. Right,

you have you have a regretted you're not step into Nas. No, no, no, because I understood what it was when they came to getting OS. What do you mean like, you know, when the industry came to getting OS, I understood what it was. You understood understood they needed him. You know what I'm saying. They needed representative from Queensbridge, the place I made hot. But even with MOB, the MOB, I understood what it was all about. They needed part of that, you know

what I'm saying. And that was the next generation of it. So you know, by that point, but I think by time nas Can, I was already probably working with LLL, so I was it was something different going on in my life. Okay, looking the role the mockers all that we got a ball ball goddamn it. So um yeah, so you need that. I thought I thought that was something you was just said you wish you was a part of. I mean, I wish you would have produced

one of the records on the first Feel Matter. Yeah, okay, but you know me, but I'll do all albums, that's all, you know what I'm saying. And the first mob the premiere was the one that that executive produced, that one right, the hit Him on the Back project alway, yeah, the earliest first first, that first one before who executive produced it? You know it's premiere premiere was involved in that project. Okay,

And how about that mom, Mom? I mean I understood what it was with Chris Lightning and then Rick Gardless today. I understood that they needed a piece of that Queensbridge Queenemans was bubbling at that point, you know, they needed any So I get it completely. I already know what it is. The spot was hot. The spot was hot. Baby.

It's interesting because me being from left Rack and me hearing like you and Trash having turmorial, right, and then me being a part of We had a record called l A l A and he was it was the first person he thought it was you, and that was like, it was weird because I always thought you I had like some type of thing, and he came to you and it was it was actually like dope to see It was dope to see grown men and the boy was dope. Didn't even do that project? Man, did you know?

Did you ever think that if tragedy never met me, if we don't be sitting here right now, just exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Trash put me on. You put trag on, so in a way, if you was not, if you don't exist, I might love it. We might not be sitting here. You put him on his intelligent hold. At that point he was the super kid. Before in telling him he was the super kid, I didn't know the story. The super kid woke up one morning, turn your radio, world couldn't sing

your mama, and your brother was gone. The tragedy won't happened to me. Yeah, I got his name from that record. People start calling me tragic because of that record, and he just marn with it. Yo, I'm rocking with that I'm tragic. So that's how he used to make records back then, used to make it and throw it out, just make them wow. And I used to be like the radio radio DJ for magic, so you know, I was able to use it as a promo first and then watch it go. So how did you link up

with trash? How did you even he He's from the block like Craig Craiggs from my building. Craig from my building in Queensbridge. Tragedy was the little little dude that lived on the block on the first floor. They used to jump out the window and go to the park jams, you know what I'm saying. You know, we all grew up on the same block, so we all knew each other. I knew his mom's step pops. It's like, you know,

everybody's on the same block, so you know. And they started getting warm and they started running, and I was like, yo, let's let's go make something, you know, And and the funny ship contract was sucked up. Back then, we did a lot of ship and just got paid that one time. But that's part of what it was, if you understand. So um Master's right Master as poet U s a the U s a skating ring contest. That's the Jackson Heights. Yeah,

it's skating ranking Jackson Heights. He wont he won the skating ring contest to go in the studio with me, so we made one record. But he was nice. I was like, you know, he was really nice. He was too nice to be where he was at if you're asking me, I feel bad for his situation with with Cold Chilling because he was too nice and they didn't know.

You know what I'm saying, because the chilling is the stars is Kane, right, it's g rap Right, was good and exchanged the old juice creus there, But so he came after everybody was popping and they couldn't really see what he was bringing. It was later when Mass States incorporate, right, that was the loser. Yeah, that's when it really that's when he popped off. I always felt ace that he had something special, but it was just too crowded up

there at that minute. A lot of turmoor what was going on, a lot of that bullshit was going on. That was you're working with before track masters or or after truck masters, just before was before? Yeah, Yeah, they try to they try to re light that fire when they put them with with them thinking that they can do what I do, even though he's just using all

my samples back anyway, we were sampling you back. Yeah. Yeah, That's why I'm glad I publish him because jay Z and Maya joint they made put my daughter through school track masters. Jennifer appreciates that when when the person does sample you, is it is it? Is it honor or? Like how do you feel? How do you feel about that? But first they better make a hit because we're trying to make money if you sample me, but I'm sample

me on the flops. But you know, um, a lot of people don't know that that that song thorough flu can't the young nigga get money? Need moore? Kanye Kanye saying my life. People don't know, people don't know on thorough Flute. Yeah, you know, Candi, young nigga get money. But remember L said that on the record too. So we owned a lot of that record, the Kanye record, and it came at a time when she was a little funky for me and it really changed my life.

I gotta like, thank you, Kanye, because I kind of changed my life. And don't know, but when you made that record. It's dope. It made so much motherfucking money that it was a life changer, Let's know what I mean. And and I'm I'm wanted to thank him for that. You know, he probably don't know, but you know I should. You know, we have our ups and that out of downs and loss, so you know, it was it was on a down down with Spiral and one day I got a calls and we went to the clear thorough flute.

You're a writer around. I'm like, what you're talking about, Kanye is gonna do it on Soul Training tomorrow. You need to prove it. What are you talking about? I never ain't got nothing to do with that song. Now. I listened to it and I didn't catch it, and I looked under as Captain showed me, as it right for you to not catch it. I didn't catch that ship.

And that ship was popping for like two summers when I was here in that ship for two straight summers popped into it and everything not knowing but Joe by the time, you know, by the time anything tallied up and everything came around and the publishing popped, it was. It was life changing. Were you ever on the other

side of that issue about sampling. Um, yeah, I got sued on four A Round Away Girl and Peace the President on a Round Away Girl, And the asshole that sued me gave me the record, but he went back and brought the rights to it. After that sampled and put it on all these hits and then sued me. You're getting no pub I ain't gonna say your name, okay.

Cool Dayly was the one that caught like. That's when that whole sampling thing started, right there is markis Mark was the first sampling case that that that somebody one for sampling. It was given or Sullivant alone again naturally, and he used it on on his record and he got sued. And that's when Olilois realized you can sue

for sanding the whole other business. Then everybody started coming out suing everybody but bis Monkey that you know, after I stopped producing everybody for Coach Chilling, they started trying to replicate what I was doing for them. But they you know, sampling when I used to sample, used to be kicking snares high hat and I'm making my own beats, making my own sort out of it. I wasn't looping like half of the records and stuff like that, and

acting like I produced something. You're just taking sounds, taking sounds and manipulating the sounds and making my own patterns and putting stuff over it. That's how I started sampling. Maybe I'm to be honest, maybe I'm the first person to chop up a beat, m another fucking to make it unrecognizable, to make you Now, to make my own soup out of it. I could take a kick of snare and put my own pattern at it, you know, like like Araby as president, like nobody beast the biz

and those are that's in Peace the President. But I'm making my own beat out of that sound. So I'm the first to do that. And Peace the President's the tragedy record, that's arrest the President's tragedy. Arrest the President was on tragedy record later on what kind of flat did you? How you see you back then? Because we make an arrest the president? Right now? What is making fake Donald Trump songs and left and right right? But

back then, Yeah, but back then he had a few visits. Yeah, superservice. Yeah, he he probably had a few visits. Wow him personally, you gotta ask him he told me a story or two about he had a visitor to h and this is when hip hop because now I remember we had fun the police from n w A. So now he's saying, arrest the residents and you produced this correct. So yeah, so the backlash so you you didn't get nothing? Okay, alright, cool, Well God better make sure. Yeah, scary moments, how because

we live in a scary time right now? Real, cl real crazy? What yeah? What is what is the craziest thing that you saw that said, man, I gotta fall back? This is we we out of line. The craziest thing I've seen. It's how and you know, it's how certain entities and people want to keep our people stupid, if you know what I mean. So that's like black falling

type of stuff. No, no, no, they want to keep you know, like kind of like keep it where you don't have to be intelligent to make a lot of money, keep us, you know, make people have to stoop down to go back and be vert. Get about streaming. Streaming is the ship is just the new. It's the new, you know, it's the new money making now as opposed to you, you know, buying my record and buying my property. Now you can stream it. Now I can still make money.

The more streams you make, the more money you make. But you don't have to actually Downlottle wild right, keep listening to it and it can spread. Like streaming. Streaming was good. They had to do that. They had to get ahold of this digital. It was out of control first. But when c these first came and started getting digital and MP three's and the napster. Yeah, they were saying CDs was like the like the most expensive ship, and the labels were disrespectful with CDs the way they were

overcharging for what it was causing them. But when digital came out, that was that's when everything stuff. They had to learn how to control that. Now, streaming is the way to control it because if you're streaming it from a site that's generating money now advertising for them that they got to pay because you're looking at these artists right now, they don't care about sales. They don't care They had money off streams, and that's what it turned into.

The industry had to figure out how to make money off for digital because they was losing in the beginning. Yeah, that's real talk. So now you're kind of log it is that. Yeah, all your kind of you do you get like stream um some of the stuff um, the later successful stuff, Yeah, because a lot of my earliest stuff was just what it is. Just it wasn't even even at the contract. And yeah, digital you know, to be honest, digital was never nobody nobody contract digital. Yeah,

there wasn't nobody. It was all physical. I was wondering when the hardest was. I was wondering when the industry message, when the industry was going to sue for for digital rights, because as artists, we never signed for this. Y'all just took it there Chuck d Suit University and one Chucky was killing with internet radio early on. He was always ahead of the curve. But everybody signed contracts and didn't

sign for streaming and didn't sign for digital. It wasn't and it made that concept and want to pay you what they want to pay you. Do you know what I'm saying. They just want to give you what they want to give you. It's probably not what we deserve because sales probably was more. We probably get like three point two percent of opinion every stream when we was getting twelve percent or nothing before. All right, do you get what I'm saying. So we could be getting less,

but it's just what it is. I was wondering when the artist was gonna step up to that. Yeah, I swell, we got we got we gotta do that. Not a symphathy. Yeah, man, I need to fall back and just tell me how the hell is happening? H You know on my album cover you see us that the UM the jet and led Jet. I thought that was up t the borough early. Um, was you the first to do that clear port? No doubt, not some art. We broke the mother fucking plan port

and the clear point and that's clear point. Okay, Okay, Now that day came. You know, before that day, Kane and g Rat made a freestyle off of Ror where it was going back to back and it went all the way out. It was it was like some some of I played on the radio like a few times, but everybody was getting excited. If you got this, you got this in all carves, I'll do it. We could

we drink chance dot com. So what happened after we made that um that photo shoot in front of the airplane and led yet and all that, and so Kane was like, yo, let's go make a record, and I was like, bad, let's let's recreate that thing y'all did off ror, but everybody was with us. So we went back to We went to um the story that was made, the story it since and so god, I mean the story of projects, not story project, the story apartment. And so when we get there, Master eight was there because

he's on the album. UM Shim was like, yo, I'll meet your LA's album right, yeah, my control album. I mean the leg at get the back of it. So

now we're go and make that record. Now, nobody wants to run first, so let I said, let me put Master Ace on it just to fill up the space because he wasn't gonna be on the rect because the person at the end of that time was the hot hot So nobody first said, I don't care whose first, because you're seeing that talking about I don't want to be first, I don't want nig I don't care first last. Y'all just listening closely and was trying to do what

I did that was a kipper. Everybody heard his rhymes like all ship this this new nigga, this new nigga, dude. The nobody didn't want to be on the record. With that nigger. That's probably why she didn't show what because we're supposed to be in Shamon was gonna come to that. He was gonna be on that record, you know what I'm saying. So he got on. He killed it. Everybody's looking at him like, oh ship. Everybody got heavy in the panic, got quiet, seeg Wrap over there. You see

motherfucking Cane over there. And then then Craig g did his part, which was hot, and then all of a sudden, they're looking at you all, who's gonna go? Who's gonna go? They don't. They all get about who's gonna go first? Man g Rap gets on and wraps all the way to the end of the beat. He didn't give Kane no space before I happened. I had to cut the wraps part down and then give Kane some space. But they can't say right there with the wrap, just went

looking at each other like if they had. They always had like a ill inside competition going on, and I loved it. Felt like all three of them, like g Rack, Kine and Rock him, I felt like it was always a secret. Let me explain something to you about the whole creation of Eric B and Rock kim Okay. I was introduced to Eric by Polo, So I'm trying to say that the Corona so so where it was Eric b was hanging around with Polo with us first, right, so he saw a Polo get with g Rat and

make a group. He's like, I think I could do this ship too. Wait wait, so g rap came before came Kim rock him. Yeah, I always start rock him and then and no talk of ever rock him being a part of Juice Crew. No, because that's all I can think about what you keep talking about all. You know what's crazy when when I when we first made My Melody and Everybody's President, I think the Verybody's President day. I gave them like demo mixes. I was like, I'm gonna mix this next week so to make a copy

of what y'all guy? And that was the record. It's all sloppy. Ship was all loud, but it was the ship. Ship. She's like vocals going, U'm riding Vocal's live. You know, she's all loud coming out of nowhere at the end of the records and ship. But that was the record, and that's what people loved. And but I'm telling you, I don't think if if if Eric B wasn't hanging around Polo, he probably would have got the idea to do a group m because he saw a polo do it so easily with us. He's like, Yo, fun that

everybody coming up there and becoming stars. I could I could make a rapper come up here too, Yo, could we get the studio tomorrow? I got someone still coming in. And that's how it kind of happened. He was hanging around Polo first, all right, Polo kind of like popped it for him. When you first seen rock Kim, did you did you think he was good? Because Rock Kim I heard you say can change rap earlier. Rock Kim changed rap too because he came. Definitely, he definitely he

had a dope tune. When I first heard his tune, I knew it was off the motherfucking change and I had a bullshit Mica and he still was dope, so I already knew just this motherfucker nice right here. It's something something different about his word play. I always knew he had wordplay, but if you know what I mean, he always had wordplay. And as soon as I heard it from the top or this cat wasn't that he didn't curse right, and he didn't curse too, and it

was hard motherfucker. I never really peeped. He didn't curse. He never really curse. Curse word. Yeah, you wouldn't think that that that's real talk. What Chad was really fucked up? Right now? I was thinking all I mean, yeah, he was just dope. Yeah, he had wordplay, work playing and flow. When you heard nas that he remind you a rock first time you heard nas, because that's what everybody said, you know, the first time I heard Nash. I think it was an't hard to tell and was the first time.

If I have the time, I hadn't want the barbecue first. Yeah, that's when everybody's like, yore the kid from from the from the forties side and back to the Brilligate wasn't before. I don't think I maybe I didn't pay attention to it like that. You at to get too much money at that time. Yeah, he was out there killing. Yeah, I could have could have missed that one. Bro. By the time the barbecue came out, that's when that was like, Oh, I went to jail for snuffing Jesus when I was twelve.

I went to help with stuffing. Jesus Jesus when when I heard him say that ship, because I was like this niggaid, my architect was so proud of twelve I went to help us. I was like, God, this is how you fucking found back my da. I was so proud of my fucking hood. I was like, good man, that ship was so dope. Gotta be proud, Yeah, you gotta be proud. Uh this these new kids from from Queen's Bridge right now Jay Rosette, So I just look

out for him and shoot. Uh. I like his little movement that he got to my people from laft Flack block game. But um so, what's your favorite ror and music? My favorite era it has to be like like like the Eric Bist President era, like eighty I would say eighties six to eighty nine or eighty eight six to eighty eight was something. It was like something special, was like special albums came out at that time. It just shifted. It was definitely a shifted. It was. It was a shift.

It was more sample heavy because I haven't told everybody with how to make records literally change. Everybody got better. You know what I'm saying. You have people digging, digging for shifting. You know, you use that, I'm going to use this, you know what I'm saying. That was such

a great time right there. They'll probably would never be like that ever again for the music, and that was such a pinnacle point of everything we love and it won't go away when you're working right now around the world. DJ and't just playing that ship playing I don't know, but talking about that era, what did you guys think about what was going on the West coast at that exact same time, Um Easy and n w and all

of them coming up. I remember the first time I ever heard a motherfucker n w A record, Ice Tea was already out too, and I think it was the first compilation they put when they all standing standing in behind. It was like an n w A album and they all standing behind some warehouse with the feel of first crew with everybody that was like, what was that that was? I mean they ended up putting that out afterwards. It was like a n w A in the family or

something like that. Right, Yeah. I remember when I first heard a shoot off the Craig g put me up on them. Craig was like, now I'm I'm a guy to make records. I'm on the radio, I'm ready to make it hit records, and we're not cursing this ship. But when I heard these niggas, motherfuck this, I was like, this is some crazy easy ship right here. But I knew it because every every other rapper was. It was too clean. The mother was like, man, fuck y'all, funk everything.

Fuck this, fuck that, fuck your mother. I see coming before them. Yeah yeah, Iced he was out, but he wasn't as roar as at that time. I mean he was doing this thing. I think what caught me with them was they beats. I wasn't into the earlier Iced Tea stuff because of the music wasn't It wasn't kind of like where we was at. Kind of it was like on the West Coast vibe. So I kind of kind of missed it a little. So it was Drake's production.

Drake's production. Yeah, it was his drums. Crazy. He was newpooth beats and chopping ship and had band motherfucker's playing guitarest ship. I was like, god, damn, these motherfucker's is saying something. It was the ship to me, but I was stuck. I was like, yea, when I first heard this ship, I was like, Man, this motherfucker's just doing doing it and realized I realized how regional rat was gonna be at that point because we could have cared less what they was talking about, but out there they

kid less what they was talking about. They could have cared less. But what then we just talking about because they had their own language. And that's what I've seen. It happened to rap. I go to different countries. You know, it's sucking people rapping in every fucking language, which is possible right now, you know what I'm saying, there's always something open up MC or DJ for me. Whenever I go to any country or whatever, they're wrapping in their language.

And I'm seeing the progression all over the world and every part of every part of the world, every corner. And I would have never thought it would be like that sitting in my Queen's Bridge department making ship. Would I never thought it would be like that. That's crazy, That's a beautiful thing. Man. Hip hop savings got different says lives saves lives. So how did you link back up like l L because you wasn't one of them in the beginning, Right in the beginning of it was

much drivers before Brian. He was going to Jim, we may we may beat by that. Remember that's why you said trying to take Uh yeah, because we got mad because you know, the rock the Bell's remake sound like Molly's scratch. So we was you know, we're young. Uh didn't give a funk going like yo, man, funk that. You know what I'm saying. But then you know later on, you know El from Queen's know what I'm saying. You know. The funny shing about L with me is my aunt,

my father's sister H raised his wife. Uh like my father's sister was um Simon's um moms when she was alive of her best friend and Simone's mom passed, and my my aunt like, Yo to my best friend, I'm gonna take care of you. I'm gonna buy bye bye. And I never knew that. Wow. And later on and like me and l L kind of found out. That's why we got kind of type because we're talking about He said, Yo, you know Peggy, but I said, yeah,

I got Aunt Peggy seven degrees. It's crazy. It was crazy because he said something about Aunt Peggy one day and I was like sho, I got a aunt Peggy. I was joking, but joking me, it's the same same person. Everybody called h and you know, and you know she used to she she used to work with his family even as the kids was growing up. And you know, we we never knew that that that we was that close. Wow, Yeah, that's that was that's my my father's sister. You know,

she lived in Jamaica. I lived in Queensbridge. I didn't you know, I didn't know that that's what she was doing, but it was. It's weird. So after that, then musically we got together. It was insane, you know what I'm saying. And you know, we this went out to the who whole album you did together? Which one was it? The whole album? The whole album? Every every Reavy record? Which which album was this? And that was going at um Kumodou to the Break of Dawn was actually going at

Kumo d iced Tea and hammer. Everybody was going to hammer al from now looking back at that time, yeah, everybody was going at him. But a lot of people is mad because he made a lot of paper. Yeah, so you know that's a good thing, and it wasn't considered real hip hop. But you know it's that was the beginning of of that. That shouldn't let everybody see what records they should be making, because that's where it went anyway, every everybody went pop. That's where hip hop

is at right now. Exactly what Hammler was doing is what mumbled rapids right now, He's right mumble. You know, it's the same place I go. I go to. You know, I start much a Future concert. Before I was like saying to myself, twenty years ago, this would have been a rock concert. Yeah, the same people in the audience, the same people on somebody's show. This the same blah blah blah. I'm seeing anybody out there. I'm like, twenty years ago, this would have been a rock concert. So

I see how rap took that spot. So that's how hamming Ship was back in the day. This ship was a rock concert, you know, before they was doing it. You know, he had hundreds of people on stage dance. It was like a big production. That's that's a rock concert, just killing it, you know, And that's what these you know, you know, I went to Future show all and a half motherfucker's was losing their mind straight to Eavery record. He's just doing half of versus and the crowd doing

the rest. But you know, that was one of the most intense times I've ever seen. I'm a fan. I gotta get it because I got yes, so I can't hate. Can't hate these young kids, man. But as a producer, you think you could contribute to that or would you stick to what you think you're laying invent my wheel? You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

do it. And I feel like there's room now it is for everybody to be in their own If anything, I would, I would do more E d M. It's something E d M. Really yeah, something like that as opposed to you know, trapp y'all do YO do? Before I started making hip hop, I was making electronic music anyway. That's why I had the edge over everybody because I was already tech savvy. I was working off the Baker dude.

Come on, man, they was making a i OU Planet Rock, all these electronic beats and you know AI O use a sample. I was. I was an intern watching these dudes. So what I did is I saw what they was doing with these vocals and putting vocal samples. I'm like, yeah, I could put hip hop and that ship. I could put my favorite sniff and play it to a beat while nobody knew what the fun was going on. And that's why I was able to add the edge on everybody because I worked at Unique Studios and they was

ahead of heavy fucking body. Unique Studios in my hand, yeah yeah, there was ahead of every motherfucking body. I like technology seven. Yeah, yeah, that was. I was a intern. That's why I started out. That's why I sampled my first.

That's why I discovered sampling Unique Studio at Unique because I was doing something else and the tragedy bought us there for or report the album, right, So I was I was playing, I was sampling something else and the snare went in there and I started playing the snail the bat. I said, you'll turn this that bullshit snare down. I started playing my ship and I started thinking. I was like, oh, ship, I can take any kick, any snaire from any hot back. And I got home that

that's proven already, and make beat. Nobody was thinking about that ship. All the favorite breakbeats to everybody would go crazy to in piece the President was the hottest record for any DC to play for years, and you know, put that shirt on the record. Every record that I have a sample those drums was a hit. Every record that ever used that was a hit because your brain likes it already. Mm hmm. It's it's a science. It's like the music that's out. Why do you think every

beat sounds the same because your brain likes it. Yeah, it's the same drums, even the vocals, the melodies right there, because your brain likes it already. It's like it's you know what, It's almost like a chef. If he knows what you like, he could add those ingredients to everything he cooks for you, and you're gonna love everything he does. It's the same ship. That's ill. It's a science. That's as one of the most important shows, y'all like me, right,

I got friends. His name is Scott starts right, Scott store shot one time was one of the hottest producers. I've seen him literally be outside with a cheese line outside his door. You at one point, well, the only mother fuck up you had, like you wanted to hit record, you had to see I imagine your cheese lines was crazy. I don't know that. This is surprisingly the people that came to my house. Bro. Back in the days, you'd be so surprised. Bro, let's let's get something. You know.

It was. It was crazy. Um to this day you still like work in your house, like you got your own studio that worked for you your whole life. By changing. Yeah, you know, it was a point where I could have brought a big, multimillion dollar mansion or in s to sell, but I wanted to get I wanted to get that sellstead you have that in the crib not no more. But that was probably one of the first people to get word of crib because I felt it was gonna make money back. You know. I mean to me, I

ain't buying the gold chains and stupid boards. Yeah yeah, power play having a big one. So I was always into buying equipment because I knew it was. It was like, it's like drug money I got, I gotta re up. I'm going to do to get better money. I gotta get better equipment, but I gotta get the best ship on the block. So instead of buying fabulous stuff, I would now in demand demand. You were like, I remember, like I should have go I was young, and I remember it like I knew if you had a hit record,

you need it had to be produced by volleyball. Like how crazy was it? It was insane. I mean I was doing mixes for prints, Shakakoda was coming at there, was coming at me all over. Um. One time he even wanted me to produce the Beastie Boys. Wow, that would have been that wouldn't do crazy, That would have been crazy. But I was kind of like I would kind of like want to say at the culture for what it was. I never thought that. I mean, I dugged them, but I didn't think that they was what

I was doing, if you know what I mean. You know, I had rough, rough fast niggers on the beats. We wasn't joking, so you know, but it probably would have been different. I think it would have been. I would have gave my hot beat did what they did now I see it, but back then then see it like I didn't see. I was trying to, you know, keep keep wrapped hard and keep it true to what it was,

because it seem they were clown. Yeah. Yeah, but you know they think they think, you know, godarsted when they passed, but you know they did they think but I believe that I didn't. I didn't produce them because I thought they was clowning what we was doing. Kind of, I didn't. I didn't see that that too. It would that that would be the suburbs way in if you know what I mean, I didn't I didn't catch that is anything you ever regret. I regret not producing Michael Jackson, you

had the opportunity. No, I regret not producing. That's that's what I regret not producing that. Yeah about you set us up? Regret that Ye just set us up, all of our hearts all my favorite group, God, God, God was my favorite group back in the day. I don't know why God was one of my favorite groups. But you you got a chance to work with them, and you did. Um. Now I wish, I wish I would have heard tell a story only right, and we want to talk about the story with the phrasing of the

new Jack swing. You know a lot of people think that Teddy Riley kind of invented new Jack swing. But me and Heavy D was making records and he was always talking about his new Now he's always talking about swing beats. My swing beats, my swing beats, my swing beach that's before Teddy role even guy got what uptown if you know what I mean. So he's talking about his swing beats. So somebody put new Jack on the beginning of the swing beats and now that they they

formed a whole new way of making it's music. But it's the form of the man Heavy D started. So you know, I wasn't ready at uptown earlier in the game making swing beats for Heavy D. See people collide, but the timeline doesn't lie on records. Go back to the early Heavy D records with me. Before uptown was new Jack swing. He's talking about his swing beats that I produced. But what specifically makes something New Jack swing? Um, it's just it was. It was. It was a timing.

It's like one two want to want to? That's the new Jack swing. Regular was one two one two Jack. That's like crackhead music. Basically that ass. You gotta think crack has used to dance good to Jack tell the truth but hooks in the eighties. But the mother to say that that was to say how how much cocaine crack effect? Because that was that was that's when it invented all the records about crack and all that is about that error. So how much was that affected you? Like,

I'm lucky for me. I mean lucky for me. I mean I thank God for this day. One day I tried to crack. It didn't work. Wait what it didn't come Yeah, it didn't work. Was getting high and us all in the place. I'm like, yo, check it out. So the glass maybe had air in it, so air came in instead of cracking. And I was like, oh man, she is whack. Ain't y'all do that? Give me the week? You know what? I'm saying that back in back that time.

So God save my life by making the air come through. Nothing, because I see too many people that the air didn't come through, but they're not the same. How many people you see get high? I mean you just throw it out there. I've seen superstar artists get high. I don't worry. No one listens to us small. I want to Rick James. That's how not the man was. James wanted me to do something with him, so that up in there and I'm like, okay, I'm at Rick James house. I'm not

gonna lie. I might have got hime with James my day. I'm ready to us today I gotta do one time Mr Mr p Funk himself, George George Clinton. He's like, yeah, we're going to pray. He does everything not one day. I was like, wait, he said we're going to pray. What that means? It sounds scared with us. Let's go in the room and pray. When they're talking about praying that, you know, they was doing their thing, and I was tempted. I was like, damn, this is like this would go

down in my It's like a bucket list. I took a hit with this mother anybody right, I took a fucking head with him, and you know it would have been a bucking this. I didn't do it, but I was really thinking about it. No, there was there was, you know, doing whatever they or whatever they. I was tempted to do it with it, just so I could say in my mind, George hot that George motherfucking Clinton, not Bill George. That's all I was, you know, I

was tempted. But if thing happened, because that was that was that was like an ill time like like like like that was like the first like like drug epidemic era, like you got to see you got to see hip hop go from happy to then you just have to hear these records. Maybe that was one of the reasons I had to lead a too, because it became like like at night, it was like night nightey living bass heads because like now we used to crackheads, but this

is the original crackhead. It's the ringing era. Yeah, when the block block was dark and you see people just walking like zombies. Because I'm forty I'll be forty one this year, and I remember cocaine was like a classic drug and then crack actually at first was like the cool, cheap way to get to that. It was a cheap

way to hit. And then like so you remember like the cocaine raw as opposed to the crack arrab like because you know, because the cocaine niggers over there over there like cocaine me cousin, my cousin, Burrows and Kiddle. He says he's down the clucaine. Listen. We've been trying to tell you for years. Boris is down, but he's not on that ship. Yes, Slippers is down. When listen, yo, that's why he'd be swaying like that. Like man, I'm just telling you that pay attention to your friend I'm

just staring out there. Basically the cocaine in the Remember, because in the cocaine era, I wasn't really famous yet. I was still playing in in smitties after hours queens. It would be after hours. The number of spot man um um. It's not cheeking the pall. The pub was down the street. Okay, he's going to block the competition. Okay, yeah cool. You know, in the in the cocaine era, I used to be like a DJ and clubs. And then once I started getting famous, then the climate started changing.

A little crack started coming out. Then the wools and started smoking rundies and ship you know what I'm saying. So and then and the baddest chicken on the on your block that never gave you no ask was giving out ask for nothing. That's from that changed like a dirty. There's a dirty. It's a dirty. You were describing to people with the dirtiest smoking the talk to the people. I mean, the Hayes can tell us better. That's a dirty.

He just smoking. It's smoking powder, Yeah, smoking powder. We went in New York round me and powder in Miami, which smoking a dirty dirty, yes, But in New Yorker, who was weed and Cracked made my eyes bleed. See, we didn't go that's what he said. That's what facking weed made my eyes bleed. That's what he's talking about the moves because there was a whole error of that. It was a whole error, and you know it was rampid. You know. To be honest, when I was seeing everybody

get high, I had to get away from that. That's why I moved up stick. That's why I moved to where I moved. I'm a corner with you up there. You you came up to the spot, you know. Um, that's why I moved. I went to get away from everybody getting high. It was like too much for me. Wow, mother focker's thought they could just come to my house, and you know, I had the studio just show up and think you're gonna come there and start getting high.

So let me just describe, Let me describe this. They just get this glass fights, correct, because this has got to be looking crazy smoking crap. Yeah, I mean you're talking about hitting first. Once Crack came in, they got a little got a little crazy. Mockers just thought they could just you know, it was like it was like recreational at one point this episode st this so we still was making his and still came to bring out

the sun of this bitch. What's the hint that was made crack cocaine that was around We need to know drink as we love story just saying on drugs. I could tell you one of the artists came to my house. You see so much coke. I found him in the bathroom spoil the funk out. He went to the hospital and got an operation. Not just leave it at no record was I'll leave it at that, and it's one of your favorite artists. Oh, I just leave it at wait for the movie, Wait for My bad Dad. I

don't know. And that you know that famous freestyle is Kane jay Z. I think pos in it? Were you there? I'm not not that we're Brooklyn at freestyle. That was crazy. Yeah, that was crazy. Mr C. Actually he recorded that. That's his record. That's his recording. He was recorded that live, right He recorded it live and wanted to be for them. And you know that's another history making moment right there. You know, who would think that Mr C would even

discover Biggie if you know what I mean. That's like that's part of the tree. Too part of your tree of course, of course, you know, and you know, Viggie was incredible. Biggie was one of the dopest, dopest rappers that could cling on a beat better than anybody. I mean, I do magic with other artists to make them be on the beat. Big shot you out, of course, of course. And I didn't know what that meant when he first

did it. I didn't know that thirty years later it would still mean something to what it would mean because that put me into a whole another generation. And the record just keeps playing anyway. It's plays every day somewhere, and you know, people may not have known about my production or what I've done for hip hop, or who I brought out or who I discovered or nothing. They just know Biggie mentioned my name on the record that they keep hearing. So I didn't know the significance of that.

I kind of slept on it at first. We said, should he said my name, that's cool, blah blah blah. But where he says it, Molly More, it's kind of like Jappie jap on the bridge, Jappie jap d you know what I'm saying. It's like at a Pinnacle Point, and I didn't know the significance of Biggie shouting me out on that wreck and how important it would be to me. I didn't really realize the tree that that that the connection through Mr C. Think Daddy can choose

crew Biggie. Do you know what I'm saying. It's it's almost like that if I didn't meet, if I didn't meet Mr C, would there be a Biggie mm hm m m Because Mr C put Cane, came put big See what's King's d J? Yeah? Right, so then and and then that yeah, that gave you you know, that gave him cloud. So you know what they have been with We don't know. I mean, there's possibly a lot of people you don't know that got inspired off of everything you did that you may not know that direct

direct a correct retreat match. Is there any artist that ever came to you that you fronted on like you didn't see that there was a star and then later on became a star and he was like, damn, I fucked up. You know what's funny and glad you say that because jay z n Jason used to be with Kane all the time, you know what I mean? So I did a remix with with um Shy and jay Z.

So jay Z was up at my house right. So jay Z came into the crib just like when I you know, I thought I was my first time meeting and and I said, oh, what's up, nice to meet you. I want I wanted to go like this this is um. This is not just when it started to leave, just when it started prom I did um just just when Rocket Fell started rocking and he was able to get he was able to hire him to get on records. You know what I'm saying. It's like just just when

it was coming maybe ye around that time. So he comes to the crib right, I said, so nice to meet you, by by He said, Yo, man, you met me before. Man, I've been here before. I still right here when King was doing soon so soon. So that ship sucked me up. Wow, that ship sucked me up. That came was at the creber. I mean that that. Yeah, jay Z was at the crib. We came from maybe Young Gifted the Black or something one of them joints,

you know what I mean. So I would like to know he was a rapper then, but I didn't know. But that's like one of those stories like I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have its that bold if I knew he was a rapper. Okay, So I didn't want to ask you what's your favorite artists? Because I know I want to ask you, lose you your favorite hip hop artists? Who's your favorite hands down number one overall?

If you had to pick one artist, just one, full package, full package, just one, whether it's to work with or whether it's to to listen to. Um, Yeah, let's go back to that one. I'm thinking about that little it's my all time the overall artists who got it. But I mean to be honest, opened a lot of doors for me production wise, and it was more than just making a beat for somebody to rhyme. More could have been Kane, you know, because I've seen him a form

into what it was. We're just doing hardcore ship first. Then then the ladies started liking him, the female started liking him, and then it just switched. He started you know, it changed it to something different. And I said, you know, and it made me grow as a producer. But you know, came change. He changed me as a producer because before that I was just giving people whatever I want them to have with the Juice Crew here year you got that ship, Oh Chanta, you can get that. You cant

have that. You got that. Kane was different. So you're saying right now, if God said, listen, Marl, you're gonna be straight for the rest of your life, you got one beat to produce for one artist. I already know what ha to be right now. Who would have to be talk lu goddamn it makes him more would like I'm saying, you know, but so gonna say, listen, this is the little last bit you can make it in the world. You're going straight for the rest of your life.

But he did that already. This is it. You'll get one last That's what happened, and you will give it to you will give it to al Yeah, and that kind of happened already because I don't believe how we're living off that. Soon. You don't believe it's good. It's gonna be on the Chase. It's gonna be on Chase commercial um for the next few months. Right. But you know Deadpool too, Wow, wow, working on the soundtrack for Deadpool three. Possibly, Come on, bro, you know you believe

where that that little angle got me. It's it's really different. It's beautiful thing. It's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Hip Hop saves lives, hip Hop say his last real hip hop says, is it is there anything? Um, you will want to like you feel like you got left in the game. Um, the game could be the game in the game. For me, the game is lane. I'm doing something different, but the game is like go ahead, you know, um what I

would like to do. Any music supervisors checking this out, you know, I want to I want to score movies. You know. I scored like a few scenes for Biggie's movie. But um, as you can tell, you know, they had had me and missed me. They let me actually do it. But um, even in Pops movie, I had like a scene or two that we did it for. So I would rather get into doing scenes for movies and making stuff for movies and theatrical or something like that. I mean, the music is good. I'm good with the pub pub

right now. The public. The public is good, Okay, I mean the public. I mean, my earlier records don't really make pub but you know the popular ones do and it's pretty good. It's it's good. It's like we don't have four oh one K and pop. But if you got your should to be honest, publishing is that I just didn't get your ship. You could get a good

record and then you you'd be surprised. Yeah, it's very because it's almost you know, it's crazy, because to be honest, if Kanye didn't do that and I didn't have pop, it would be a whole different story. If you understand what I'm saying, it's different. It's a different story. Pup is important. Anybody out there even wanted to make records, make hit records. Okay, mother, we gotta take off a shot.

Tiger bonus the tradition on the show it's got sorry for like this is the second quarter we're gonna do. It's not a lot. You know. What's so terrible I've wished because Tiger doesn't not go with the one does it doesn't know anything though, It doesn't go with the one just bust it down? Were bust it? Yeah? Yeah,

I appreciate yours. I think it was well overdue though, because you know, yeah, I seen a lot of you know, there's a lot of misconceptions about Molly mall out there for years, for years, I've been just letting people yap and talking. So we quite dude sitting in the back, we're just watching it. But we got was one of the misconceptions of Marty Mall that you think that happens out here. Um. One of the misconceptions, because one everybody

always thought you on cold chilling. Yeah, anything that was was cold chilling, blamed like they always blame. The misconception is any artist that ever said, oh, Molly didn't make that record, and then they went on to do records later and it never sounds like what we did together. M That's all I can say. All right, so this is out of I like that. She was good. Yeah, never get used to bet yourf put the flame right here, come out. So how was it being in the game

back then? You know, you guys, because the people before you, the Mellie males, the busy mens, the peers. I'm not but what you can see yourself a godfather because the father comes us said father, I've had a game changes. But that is but the pioneerzs the guys that came to America first and sloughtered the Indians. But we we

didn't have to do that. They came to the architects because because like you said, like you guys were the first like um, he's uh private jets and showing like that as opposed to other people was before who was like like they didn't really they said they didn't make money, you know, and it was like this is really good though. They looked at the cause and and you know, I feel like you got your era. You guys are the

architects of modern hip hop or became modern. Hi the change that's going like that because you're right, you know they ain't seen niggas at tinter Borrow on two weekends, right right, That's that's that's the real talk. That's real. And who for those wasn't y'all don't know what tinter burrows. That's the private airport. Yes you know what. It's the clear port clip board, yes, clear port. You know what

I mean. So so we you know, we opened that up. Derek, I feel like you want to come over here, brother, my cousin, Dirk Deck. That's Jacks. That man. He's a legend. He's a legend, man, motherfucker. And you're a legend, law

And that is what I want. When they tell you, let me just tell your mother we hear everybody to give our legends they flowers because so many people like, we want to give these people they flowers when they can smell them, they treats when they hell them, they thought so when they could think them, and their drinks where they can drink them. So many people want to celebrate a hip hop legend. I look at it. It's like, you know what, these people need their flowers while they're here.

You know what I'm saying. Okay, this is the reason why people give up the love on the live. No way for me to die and say I was the greatest. Yeah yeah man. And it's your home where you're welcome and anybody doing it. I'm that's all we created this show. You come up with your movie or your book first, because I got a little confused. But I'm working on the book to become a movie. But let me just tell you it's the jew is it the Juice Crew movie that us you should come with first. I'm gonna

be honest, that's ill. That's the story that the Juice Crew. Like, I'm just telling you, it's that introduces the Juice Crew movie might make more sense. I'm doing all like, like that's gonna mess with n w A because you know why everybody's still here. The movies that were the people that are still here is always gonna be the best movies. That's why I would saying, you know, you know, go to that. And then I introduced the malim just I don't know. I'm just just a real fan, like this

is a real fan and the fan mode. You know what I wanted to do. I want to do my perspective of what I the way I've seen everything. But your movie could be called the Juice Crew, right, it could be you. I want my movie to be through my eyes, why everything was happening, what I was thinking, what I was seeing, what I was saying, what everything means.

You think about it, You're the first riser, like the first Daddy, You're the first, you know, the first everybody who like has the first WU tank type of that ship. That ship came from you, Like, I'm proud that I'm from Queens, you know what I'm saying, because and I'm proud of that. So you gotta capture that ship. You know that Queen. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna be honest. We're living so much of a dumb era. That. I

don't know if you shouldn't drop the book first. The movie might have to come first because they thinks they read it. I'm just telling you he's thinking pros, he's thinking, he's thinking so herod out here. That's my cousins out here in cocaine on the tables like this is it. I'm getting there, my wrestler friend from from Baro. I'm just saying it's easier because he thinks dumb in this

generation might be easier. I'm sorry, I love you. Get my audio voe again ready too high audioboo audiobook and give them a visual because these niggas is like they're gonna be like that. I ain't gonna I don't want a vote right now. I don't know. My thing is just dumb. The niggas that fun with me. I don't know that. I'm just throwing it out there. I don't saying it first to make sure it's it's complete, right. Yeah, it's gonna be honest. Movie, the movie gotta be. You

gotta answer the show. I'll tell you gonna go right with that boy. I'm just telling you that it's easier to go. You got favorite and the youth or the niggas that funk with us, the niggas that funk with us. It's not very smart. I like them. I like, man, we're talking like you what, I know exactly who they are. I don't think going with it many. I know you. Yeah, I'm sorry. I went to ive that. So you've done everything? Uh uh? What do you think about other other producers?

Like and who was the first person that you saw like that? You said, Dad, he took my blueprint, but in a good way, like you know, like like the next I say, Premier ain't premiere because he personally told me. He said, yo, nobody beats the bills. Was kind of like my blueprint because you scratched, you cut a hook from different parts. So Fresh speaks bis Monkey the Star to show he's bus mokey, so Fresh you know what I'm saying. And I took different parts and was cutting.

I cut the hook and he was like, that was my blueprint. Oh now he's saying, it makes sense, you know. And then the other than that was he cut the samples, like the samples like right, he would scratch the samples to make the hook, and you know, and he said he said he first heard that or nobody beats the

BIS and I'm like, Okay, that's a that's a big honor. Secondly, I would say, um, p Rock, I mean p Rock, I mean the way he took sampling on on on the your machine and equipment that he was using was incredible. And the things he was able to do off of those little five seven seconds it became incredible. By speeding the record up, putting it in fast, and then slowing it down getting more sample time. I never thought of that.

That's almost as dope as Flash with the back spin on three revolutions for you know, three level revolutions forward, three level revolutions backwards. That's genus. Instead of picking the needle up and and and recording it fast and small sampling time and then slowing it down, that's genius right there. Nobody gives him his credit for that. The last record you could produce that you you could be a part

of that. You you're not gonna produce. You got one producer to high hoos y mall get to do it. The last b would mix it. Kanye, I thought you were gonna say that here, man, he's dope. You know what you got? You got overlooked like the last year. That's dope. But because but but you know it's production and and what he did with sampleman and then started pitching things up and can you say, yeah, it's super. He took that ship out of this world from what I started, if you know what I mean. I brought

her heir, he brought it hair. Wait what are we talking about their fluid again? In the flu so what did you just think? I'm so I didn't will be that person that makes that last final record for me if it was ever to be made, Wow, I would let let him do it and I'll mix it down. That's gonna happen now for drink champions happen, not his last wack. This and this new generation. Who is a person that you would work with a new generation the

future future? Quick? I hear you with Kendricks to Ke Kendrick, Ja Cole easy to j Ken already I would lace righte at least that would be ho ship. I want to I want to do CNN David History. Yeah, yeah, you know, we gotta talk about Rker's Allen. That's what I'm saying, because um, I just want I want, I

just want the fans to know. Um how much of a fan I am of you, and what you was doing is you know, he was living at a time where I could have sampled the record and I could have still paid you just from sampling the record, but I didn't want to do that. I actually wanted to go back in the studio. I wanted to recreate it, and I had g Rap. I did. We did everything. I don't remember g Rap came to the crib that day or if he came later, but I came, I went in with you. Is this h I was. We

did it correctly. You know, it's so weird to me and him. We did a lot of records together, but we didn't work together a lot until then. Who you know, me and you. Okay, you get a lot of records together. Like I was like remixing this for y'all, do this, and this is me on my own right. But now he came back, He's like, yo, I got this check for you. You know, it's the crazy ship. I gotta say before I get up out of here. A lot of motherfucker's I put on. The niggas never cut me

a check when they got on. Bitch, ask niggas a lot of motherfuckers I put the funk on, and you know, they got they got any position and they act like you know, the niggas never cut me a motherfucker check, so funck y'all n get love with that. He got in position that came back with the check, and I saw niggas want classic because I loved breakers. I was so much and when I went into the research and it's like, yo, it was you Andy Wrap. I wanted to be honest with you both. You know what I'm saying.

So I got in a position to do do such and I wanted to do it. I wanted to do it on my own too, because a lot of times we worked before it was through trash and I wanted you to know, like I cool, it was kind of limited to Yeah, it was because he wasn't around a lot. Yeah it was around. No, no, no, no about I wasn't Yeah, I wasn't there. Yea, he wasn't. It didn't invite me to that session. I've been taking that personal for years. Don't worry about that. It's not your big

thing up. You know, I love him. I speak to Compone all the time. Trash, you know what's going on, and yeah, man, I just love the history. I just love what you did tonight, man, you know, because a lot of people don't hear you talk. A lot of people, you know, I'd be silent, man, you just watching these mothers. Yeah, but we live in the day at the time. If if if you don't actually say, like, if it ain't on camera, it didn't even happen. That's why I'm head.

I'm saying it ain't happen. So well, you got this platform, yes man, madness like so many people like I just I just think that that's a disrespect to our culture when people like the wine listen, listen, one is not good unless the ages. You understand what I'm saying, Like, we can make a wine right now that is gonna be full of sugar, It's gonna be full or whatever.

But let let's just sit around for ten days, you know, and then do that and then you you get to see an age and there's no platform for that for our culture. So me and my my, my, my friend right here, we sat here and said, you know what, let's just and we're gonna do it like that. We want to salute our legends. We want to salute the people that who has been seasoned who's been here for twenty years and still the test of time, it's still here.

And every other culture in the world salutes their legends at this time, at this point, Why the fun are we the only culture that it says, Okay, you got y'all, got y'all, you got up. You know the radio stations and all that, but this is our platform that we want to salute our motherfucker legends, you know what I'm saying, And we don't want to do it. Why they come on when people is that that's not let's do it

in your face. You know that you're on the way to cats getting the casket before you telling me what it is, because you know, sometimes in life, to be honest, I'm gonna tell you what the most dishearteness thing is about the whole industry that I feel is discredit somebody. You know, you put in work, you change the game, and somebody's gonna trying to discredit what you're doing and

going with it histor ahead and history around. You know, you don't be seeing you don't be seeing me on all these awards shows and all that like you should, because somewhere somebody's trying to write around me. That's why my story got to be told. That's why I appreciate you guys doing what you do, but I appreciate this platform. Know your story should be told. It has to be told.

It's what I mean, Um, you know, me just even seeing that this is just a little rock said thing and then me knowing I'm just saying, uh, it's just so, it's just so much that needs to be I'm saying everything you said to me just now. I saw it visually, like I literally saw it, like when you said you're just the Queen's Bridge Department alone, just on those records, like if you're a hip hop storian, and you know those records that you just said, and you mentioned that's

that alone is a movie. Bro. No, that that alone is crazy because no one would never know this. You know what I'm saying. Every everyone everyone thinks that a hit record is playing, you know, sixteen months in advance. A lot of people don't know. It's just it's the spirit of the moment of the time. And that was the testament of what you just said and the craziness. A lot of artists don't even know why they're famous, and that's the truth. They don't know why the fun

they're famous. They think they put out of high record, but motherfucker used the promotion of the month and and and it clicked. People started to like it. Because the next month he wasn't the promotion of the month, somebody else was, and the next record didn't work the way that mean did. So a lot of artists don't even realize why the funk they famous, because you know how record companies work when we promote this week, but I don't give a funk with this artist guy we promoting him.

And you know, a lot of people don't realize that they happen to be in that matrix at the minute, because I've seen too many superstars try to make records not in the matrix and it doesn't work. I know why exactly every record, every successful record I ever made, I know why it worked. There's certain elements you need to make it work. That's maybe that's why I won't make records now, because there's certain elements you need. And now it's algorithms right that too, but you know, a

certain elements you need. You know, artists need the ability to make people want to be then unlike them. I like what he's wearing. I want to wear that. You know what I'm saying. It's not just a record no more. It's a little more to it. Anybody can make a high record, but do you have the ability to make people like you? Do you have that energy to pull him in? Even if you make wax ship? Why do people like Drake He ain't the best in the world,

but he has an energy that pulls you in. Why do people like Kanye or jay Z or what whoever? It's not the music. They have an energy that pulls the people in. So it's more than the music. People got to realize that it's more than music and kind

of always been more to music. Yeah, yeah, you know, if you if you that fly cat, everybody want to dress like him, look like and where what you're wear like Quam Quam wasn't the illness, but when you're seeing qualm with that poker dots, I wouldn't got a poke a dot shirt. There you go, hold on little that left right, Definitely, I have sixty one that's it. Took it off, came back so um. But basically that's what

it is. You know, it's there's a magic, there's music, and there's there's also that that energy to pull people in, if you know what I mean, certain certain artists have it. Certain people have that. You know, people watch this because you have that. You know, I want to hear what the fun that, nigga? We're gonna say that. Look you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't hear that ship. So you're pulling them in, y'all pulling them in. So there's

a certain energy. It's more than what you do. It's that energy to be able to pull people in, because anybody could do this. But if you don't have the energy to make people want to love, fuck you. And that's the that's the basic. That's that's just how it is. Is there anything Yeah? Is there anything you would want to do over anything? I would like to do over whatever? When I would do over anything, I would like to make kill that noise over damn? What would you do

differently on that? Yeah? I probably would use different drums. I probably use the drums that we just winning on because they went with my drums the same way. So I would probably would make kill that noise with in peace the President drums the same way they did with bridges over. That's what that's what I would would do if I could turn back the hands of time. Because recently, you know, me and Shan got together. We we redid the bridge and um and um kill that noise over well,

you know for movies and stuff. You know, we made new masters. We got back together. I got the original samples that I use, and we re chopped everything up and he did his vocals over wow, and and then I was sitting back, would would kill that noise? And I swipched, I switched the drums up. I put in piece to president drums and kill that noise. That ship was so motherfucking hot. I was like, yeah, this is what I should have didn't begin. But I had so much stuff that I didn't rely on my old sound

like that because I was moving on. And but but I wish I would have used those drums. Don't kill that noise. Do you feel like y'all y'all lost that battle. Well, I feel that people stupid as health were believing in them because we never said that and for the record, never said hip hop. They never said that hip hop started in Queensbury. So I feel like people got bamboozo but you know, so good. So that was like the

first trolling. Yeah, like the first smart on that part. Yeah, don't do that because they you know, it's it's like they preyed upon people stupidness. At that point, it looked like that if it's on record and strength, right, if they played on the stupidness of are you believing in that ship because we never said it? It's like somebody like, yo, you know, somebody like somebody said you said something. You know you ain't say it. But you know, whoever gets

over in man, may people may believe that ship. But if you don't say nothing. Now where was your at where you found out? Prodigy just pass it? Oh? Man? I think I was in Japan. Uh, Yeah, I was in Japan. You know, if you know, I'll go overseas a lot um. And I always checked, you know, the internet. When I wake up and I saw it, I was like, Yo, get the funk out there because because the weirdnesses I had just hid in the work with the XPG a

few days before a few days before he passed. I think the show before he went to I think he went to Vegas. That show before Vegas, he was with us, he XPG uh and and we were taking pictures laughing joking blah blah blah. And after they did that, down went to Japan and then they went to where they was gone, and then I saw it was like so crazy because we I just two pictures would do but like two days before. But it was crazy to me, that was crazy, and I felt that he won't be

the last one. That's more, you know, you know, it's there's more. People are gonna pass. We don't live forever. And you know the good thing about you know, hip hop and being an artist, it's whatever you do when you're alive, it lives longer than you You know, we won't be here no more. When people still be playing our music, still talking. You know, we're still live after we're not here. And that's the one of the benefits

of being an artist. And you know, it was kind of sad because because I just was with dude, I just win, just just was with him like two days before everything happened. God bless him, God bless him family. That's the Peace Prodigy. Yes, we still keep making them beats. We need you out here for Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, man, you know we don't let it, don't let it slow you down. You know what I mean when um, now as did the bridges over the bridge, I'm not over

skipped to the bridge? Uh? What was it? He had put all the artists from Queen's Bridge on there? Okay remember that? Did uh? Did you do to be or no? He just sampled it? Um? I think was it l E s? I think maybe somebody else made the beat. But I was on the record. I was on the intro. Okay, cool, that's what happened. I was. I was part of that, right, I was part of ms been looking out, I got in front. But you know what I mean, we're from two different errors. But you know he always look out,

you know what saying? Always and you always show love every time I see him, So you know, you know, like I said, when the torch was passed, they did a great job with it. What I'm saying beautiful with the music business. With me, I'm not thinking about it. I'm on. I'm on technology right now. I got technology that's going to change the world. What you mean, come on talking changed the world that Steve Joy thinking about? Yet? You know man, that of the average with music in life.

H m h, I got the answer. Cat, you have some information? Yeah, yeah, panted, but you know we're working on some technology right now. Well do your thing, man, do the thing. I can think about putting hip hop and it goddamn machine and changed to change hip hop. I could do a lot of other things. Well, hell you you know what I'm saying. Hell yeah. See me personally, man, you know I'm on the quest to have hip hop

control all aspects of media. Like to me, I don't think that if we should wake up in the morning and we want to watch a sports show, I think that sports shows to be hosted by Jada Kiss. I think whenever we want to go watch a weather show, that ship should be hosted by Kim Jones. That's what I think. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so I want to That's why I'm doing this because I just feel like hip hop it's about time we control all media. And what I mean by that because hip

hop is his own race. It's not I ain't talking the black white I'm talking about hip hop and hip hop. So this is the reason why we're doing you know what I mean, And we're haven't a goddamn fun doing it. We want to respect people like you and continue to respect people like you let you know you got this outlet. It's why the funk open and this is drink chance, motherfucking pop. I feel like you got. I feel like

you got one more thing you want to say. If anybody want to get in talk with me, that's um at Molly skills okay on Instagram, Okay, DJ all him all and you know Facebook stuff. You know if I have all these skills on Instagram and and Twitter, you know what I mean? That your boy ship, you know what I'm saying. And he investors that want to get some real money get at me because I got that

technology for that ass absolutely sign that um nondisclosure. You know we're up on that, but you know we're there. That's what I do, man. The music, the music thing is gonna be what it's gonna be. Let these young kids do what the funk they want to do, because that's how I feel, to nothing, to doing nothing, to do what the funk they want to do, because it's only evolution, you know what I mean. And let's have a good day, that's all it is, and think freely. That's real talk to drop from yeah s