Episode 135 w/ Metta World Peace

This is for my town, my town, my town. I love it already. You know what keeps he hoping by and up with d J e F and drink Chaps. Have you at make something now? Right now we're interviewing is one of the most innovative, most prolific. Most You think about Queen's Bridge, and you think about the athletic side of Queen's Bridge, which a lot of people don't understand and I don't know from the left fract, so it might be a little bit uh favoritism because that's

like our cousin project. But these guys, they really compete every day with each other. And this is one of the brothers that I've seen I see. I saw his father actually train them like I've really I've witnessed that. I witnessed him witnessing play against Kobe Bryant and then they asked him and they said, yo, it's Kobe Brian the best person you ever played against. And he said, no, Chatfield, I was in jail with Mike Chatfield at the time.

It's fantastic. But if you don't understand who I'm talking about right now, we're talking about Ron Ron Ron artests Metal World Peace, my brother from another mother, And let's make some noise for now. Let me start off with that, because in my mind, I still call you wrong if I don't mean no despect, all respect, because I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna start the interview with this. I thought I wasn't, but I'm gonna start the interview with it.

Your father was probably the strongest person I've ever saw, no real talk. What I mean by that is I used to go lets to sell drugs in Queensbridge, right and and and at one point I've seen your father every day. He was outside with you at the ball court am I lying now, You're not lying? Every day? Every every day was child abuse because it was really raining and He'll he'll be talking talk, and I'll just be sitting there like wow. That was one of that made me want to be like a better fault. I'm

just being honest with you. I don't know if you ever looked at it like that. I'm just saying, yeah, I always want to be like my pops. It's just hard to do it. It's hard to do. That's a man. He's a man's man. I'm not he would have me like my mom and my pops divorced that thirteen and they separated. It was too much for the divorce dollars that expensive expensive. I I ain't even dating no more. But but I told my dad when that happened. You're like, oh, what is my dad gonna do? You know? You come

come around? What what happens? Now? Every day? Every night you were living with your mom's at that at that point, and when they separate, that was with my mom my dad every night, and he would get off work and he would come. We only had a little bit of time, so he would keep me out to two am and we just bawling. I see him. Listen to me. Listen, listen, cause you listen. I'm from that Frac city, right, but my Queen's Bridge side there's six blocks of Queen's Bridge,

ninety six buildings. But I'm street if I'm a Queen guy, if you're gonna come, and I grew up on ten Street, but I'm basically you have it capone tonity. You know that's so. I used to see your pops just training you. But I'm gonna be honest with you. The first time I seen him train him, I said, this guy's going to the NBA for Shan. Look, I'm gonna be honest. And it was normal to It was normal to Keywan,

it was normal to these things. But I'm sitting there as a left right guy, and I'm like, you know, all we have is Vincent Smith, Vincent Smith. But y'all had some talent. Dion Darrell, we had that, but it was not not gonna lie. Your father was so determined. I'm sorry. I'm just like, you know, Dion Darrell was nice. Definitely should have been in the league. They have, they have some these saluted your projects every single time. I don't think we have to beat you. I don't think

we have to beat you. I don't know, but okay, now, uh because out of Queen's Bridge, who was the first, who was the first, uh um person to make it as a ballplayer from Queen's Bridge, But we had um The first person we had was um Burn Fleman, that's correct from my blog. Niece had a baby with Eron Adam and then um Sean Green from Naas Block and we had Red Bruin. You have Sean Green from Vernon and nas Block, we had Red Bruin. We had it was it was I can't em everybody and it was

so much talent. Ronnie Williams to the Celtics and it was crazy because Me, Sewan Green and vern Fluming all played for the Paces, all three of us time. I didn't know that fast we bring it up the Paces. Yeah, yeah, let's listen to my nigga. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know where I was at in life or what was happening in the world, but I watched the news clip and I seen a coup on that and everything in Ma Boom said, I can't let that go out. YEA,

thank you. I appreciate you. I'm glad somebody's with me. I was like, I seen the cup, I've seen the cousin nah slide, I gotta go. You gotta show he gotta show. You gotta show him that we were playing on the hill. Yeah yeah, and what was it? What's the guy named Jermaine? I just read that, y'all just spoke. Yeah, that true man. Yeah, because you know, I was anti social man. I was like, I was always in survival mode, so I never really wanted to be around people, you

know what I'm saying. And it wasn't I didn't like nobody. No, it was just that he did jump in the fight with you. And it's amazing that he did, because like they would go out for lunch. We get into the city and I don't go to lunch. They go off for dinner. I don't go to dinner. I've never been to a lunch with Jamaine on nil just us to until like two weeks ago, you know what I'm saying. And it was just because like I wasn't after that you told me when he wanted to stands with you.

But it was it was Steven Jackson that jumped in with you know, Steven came to the stands and jamas handled things on the floor after you got pulled out. It sounds like forget Yeah, and you know, because like I was just so competitive and I was always just survival most so even practice, like they'll tell you I'm going hard Like if you if you like the fifth teen player, he's supposed to go to the hardest, I'm

going harder than you, you know. And and then like after practice, you know, sometimes it'll be some controversy, and um, you know, I always held one. I always held grudges. I just couldn't let it go. So the next day I come in to practice, I'm not talking to nobody, you know, and then hold I hold it for two weeks. I just couldn't let go stuff. It took me a while evolve, and I didn't make a lot of friends, and I don't I didn't make a lot of friends.

And then when we're on the court, if you you know you're playing against me, he definitely not gonna be my friends because we don't. Let's describe what happened at night though, Yeah, that night, Um, your plan is this Detroit is in Detroit. In Detroit, You're in Detroit, which is a very rough place. Yeah, Tequilla, come on, come on, man, please please, we got come on. Holp them out, give them shot at you know what I mean. I need to understand what's happening. Right, so you're out there. Did

you have me for Detroit? As an Indiana hated Detroit? Oh, I hated everybody like anybody. I love that because a box to tell me that too, box to say I hate every other box you can relay it. Yes, you got Mike chap Hill, Johnson, Wow, and they all in front in front of me, right and a couple of us make it. But so in order to play against hate, Johnson you got. I didn't realize that come with something and the competitive nature. It came from that. And I'm that's the only way I can make it. I can,

I can. I can never let it go, you know. And but that not in Detroit was crazy. The dude, I ran in the right direction, by the way. You got to be pretty one point to see somebody hit you with the time and run. Was it a cup? It was a cup? And I spotted him right away because I felt like it was like what it wasn't the racial ship, it was this is what happened man. Definitely not racist. Man, dude, the dude bet when you do raise his hand. That's why that's why I attacked

that dude. I'm like, there's no reason for anybody to be charing looking at me. So I'm like, you definitely hit me, So he better the guy, you know what I mean? He definitely hit me, and he better to do fifty dollars that he could hit me that he couldn't hit me with a cup. So when I rang up, you see the other dude, John Green just skin me up like, oh he was the one who hit me. It was at bet you know what I'm saying, And

nobody really knowing that. But they don't talk about that a lot because then you know, I lost, I lost some bread. Get out of here. I would have never actually asked you that he wrote it up. But so how does that happen? Your your NBA player? You let your doing what I had to do a fair that actually pursues you. You pursue that and then they penalize you. You know I didn't. People thought I was crazy when

I said, are we gonna get in trouble? Because I went the lock of room, like you think we're gonna get in trouble. But you know what I mean, Queen brig ship and I loved it. I enjoyed it. I was like that because you know why. I'm sorry, Bron, I'm sorry the interview, but you know why, because I'm looking I'm like a lot of the times they think that the NBA players are supposed to change because they got money. But if I'm a real dude and I'm in a real setting, don't try to put me in

some fake ship. And that's real ship, that's real ship. And they try to put you in some fake ship and sat back and out and looked at us. Well, you're not supposed to react to that ship. Like they didn't change regulations. I think what happened was it's never been done before. Everybody was shocked. You know, they had something and I took Did they change anything after that though?

Like they did? Like so it was like that right in a sense, like someone's attacking you to in a degree, you know what, absolutely, if you had an office, if you had a show in ninety one, yeah, and somebody to a drink on a problem. But but but no one never seen the NBA player do that. That was that was the crazy thing. And again to me, it was just a fight. Honestly, to me, it was like it was a fight. It was a problem. I had a problem. One guy had nothing to do in the media,

but nobody else. One guy hit me with a couple of but a cup of bear. So let me ask you pretty mad? Was he was? He saying something prior to the game, like he just his season tickets up here? Okay, his name is John Green. That's not be cool now and everything? Are you cool? Yeah? We were on your show. He's kid, I'm bringing on the show. Let's go ahead this describing you know, it's awesome by the way, man, I was trying to evolve. Man, I don't want know.

I'm trying to like not hold grudges. You know, my whole brand has been crazy, Like at the point I was, I got Defensive Player of the Year before that, and I was at eighteen. All small forwards average six points. So no, you know, on average, you wasn't getting over six points and it was cold. You might have twenty, but a scrub don'tnut right. So next year I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm gonna be honest. Makes some noise the basketball looking when he just said that, I got chills

to my body. I was like, he's I'm sorry, yeah, but that's how when I was going into the game, I'm like, I'm trying. I don't want the motherucking score, you know. And um So the next year, right before I got to spending, I was trying to get m v P and like, you know, something I always wanted and I had the chance to get it, I probably

was gonna get I finished six and MVP. Yeah before that, you know, and I got said I would have had another defensive player the Atrophy, another Alstar game, probably would have got the P, might have won the chip, Like now your whole legacy is like different partners by that, and I still might get in because I was still one of the best defensive players that played the win. So I still don't say one of you all one

of them. You know, it's crazy. I gotta always promote myself. Yeah, nobody, Nobody was promoting me like NBA people like yo, I was I used to go in. I want to get in the Hall of Fame. Gonna be honest. You was the only guy to stop Kobe, and then Kobe funk with you, Like if you stopped Kobe Kobe, don't funk with you after that. Kobe, you don't even want your phone number, you don't want to know your children's birthday.

But you stopped Kobe. And Kobe said, man, I need that, needs to stop somebody else, and he wrunged you that. That to me, that was the one of the most honorable thing in basketball because because because a lot of people, I'm gonna stick with Kobe right now and then I'm gonna go to Bike chat Field because I know a lot of people don't know what you said when you

meant that, but let's stick with Kope. So when he did that, that was the most honorable thing in the world to me because he's like, Yo, this is the only guy who stopped me. So if he can stop me, let me bring him on my team. Did you feel like that or not? I did? Man, I was when I was this was happening, I was going through a lot of that time, twenty years old. I was going through a lot. I called my agent and I said, listen, I wanted to go to a couple of teams. I want to do what I want to do, So I

want to go to either Grease to play ball. So I was tweet I and my prom trying to head out. I wanted to go to Greece. I have three teams I wanted to go to, and you was on what team is on? I was on Houston Rockets at the time. I wanted to go to Greece. Actually, if the Rocket for a sign you I would I would have went back, but I wanted to try. You know, I don't want back. That was the only team I don't went back to because I was there. But yeah, I said that don't happen.

I want to go to Greece as the chill making those a little for a couple of years, right, and then um, Detroit or Indiana. So those are the three teams I was trying to go to. So when I called, when we spoke to Detroit, Joe Dumas was the general marriager and then they was like, nah, we we don't think we want. You know, Ronald test hit because things that happened after I thought it had been dope. I thought it had been hard because is knowing for that

bad boy and Detroit foks with me hard. They people are saying what they want to go in Detroit. It's like I'm home, you know, what I'm saying, the hood, the whole Detroit is the hood. It's definitely the hood, A lot of everything. So and so I get a call op, I'm at the s LS l A, you know SLS. So I'm at the SLS. I'm with my boys, yes, sir, And I'm getting twisted. And I get a call from and I get a call from my agent agent say, yo, the lake is one you And I'm like what you said?

They want to sign. I'm like, all right, let's do it. But you were coverd just have bet you just happy, just had beef. Because I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna let me subscribe. At one point, when you found Kobe, I seen him look at you. I don't know he looked at you. I don't know what he said, but he was mad. Ob it's from Philly man. I'll tell people he might be Kobe Bryant, but he from Philly Man. But at that time, how how did y'all go from

you know, because you you gave him hell? Right, yeah, I gotta pick you up because I know you humble, but you gave him hell? And then so how would you go from giving him hell to him actually been like fucking I want that guy my team. You know what. We respect each other man because in practices was crazy then Kobe, we're gonna add it. But we had to play on the same team a lot because we had to keep the our We had the same cohesion, you know,

so we always played the same team. But when we played against each other, it was just like the game. It was practice, probably better than the games, you know. And Kobe's here in the gym at five thirty a and working on that jab step, just relentless, you know, and he opened a bottle of beasts, you know. And but he We respect each other, you know. I was one of the best defenders that he had a lot of good games against me. I had some good games against him, but he had more good games against me.

You know. Um, I think I was one of the toughest people that he had to, you know, go up against. And that right there, it's like my trophy, you know, I don't have a lot. I don't have I should have had maybe three or four more All Stars. Should had maybe two more Defensive Player of the Years and maybe two All NBA two more. I had one All NBA team. But I got those type that type of thing from Kobe's Like, that's a good trophy for me.

Something Lebron said when I left the East. Lebron was like, I'm glad Ron tested on the West now, Like that's something I can hold on to, Like I appreciate that. It's not you know, I appreciate that one of the greatest ever. You know. So, I'm grateful for my career. Man, I ain't gonna live lost, lost a lot of bread in the league, you know so, But it was like it was cool, like I'm grateful for a lot of things. Drink Champs Army. I hope you're enjoying this episode of

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Official Crazyhood on Instagram and at Crazyhood on Twitter. Also follow Drink Champs at drink Champs on all platforms as well as ww dot drink champs dot com. Definitely let me just tell you something, man, your inspiration uh uh to every kid from Queen's Bridge me as a person that's related to Queen's Bridge, I'm a cousin of Queen's Bridge, like maybe even a brother, maybe even like I'm a stepbrother.

Like you know, we don't got the same mother and father, but our families related to all of us, right, So I just want you to know that you are. So when when you got to the league, bro, I cann't I've seen Queensbridge that day, like you know, the draft draft and you had to draft. But I'm on twelve st and you when you get drafted, and I don't think I ever looked at the TV. I just looked at everybody else who's happy for you to go to the actual league. And I looked and I was like,

this is this is life. I actually brought a lot of people from the hood that day. He was burning it down. We had a lot, We had a great time. We had a great time. That day was the day that I realized every hood in the world, they don't hate. They want to see the people prosper. The hating process comes when you don't do what they expect you to do, and that's when the people start to hate you. But

you I'm not gonna lie. Like I said earlier, your father was one of the most brilliant people I ever seen. Like I would go to Queensbridge because, um, you know in left rack our Nickels just nickels a cracker, Okay was this? But I could go to Queensbridge and I can buy a dome and this ship it's like twenties of ours. So I was I still love just being in queens gold Mine. But they didn't look at it like that because they just was you know, this is their hood. So I'm looking at ever I'm like, oh

my god. So they didn't understand that. But it was one day I was it was raining or maybe he was snowing, and I was just in front of forty one dash twelve twelve street and I just kept hearing the ball bouncing something and I want to look, and it was his pops just passing the ball. And I looked at us that I was like, and I said, because it's gonna be rich, because he's gonna endure that. And I knew that's what your pops was doing. I'll kid you not. I never even told you this story.

Like I actually just watched this story and I was just like, I mean, I watched not the stories to give me, I watched the actual scene and I looked and I was just like, wow, it's the age difference though, that you would see him as a kid. Well I'm I'm I'm forty one, but when you're younger. And I'm just looking because his father was one of the strongest black men I've ever met. I'm just being honest, like strong he was. He was a good boy, but he like he making sure likes good nor you know, I

know what your nigs did last night. Like like, I loved that he was one. He was he was a father figure for me. He was bad, crazy man, say good dad, but he got it. I got this dude. If he saw somebody getting beat up, like he steps in the middle of the I'm like, he jumping in finished. You know, I see him saved people lives, you know, but he was definitely definitely go people. It was like, but you know, it's crazy when I when I made it to the NBA, I wanted to be like nas

seeing it. Mom. D you know, I always you know, because your phone not like my third cousin, so we all. I always tell people folk, that's my family. Let me bring it down. Let me bring it down for people who don't who's never been a Queen's bridge, right, because you're gonna bring it down like a queen's bridge guy, So let me bring that for people who have never

been a Queen's bridge. If you walk on Toll Street from the Knight Street Bridge, when you walk on the left side, all right, you from tom Nity, did you bump into h capone and then you bump me to Ron or Ron Spars, Ron Brother because they all stars, right, and then you bump into havoc. This is it, and even bumping you when you come out there, because I will be out there. I love twelve Street. Listen, listen. I can say that, did you anywhere? From hold on time?

We just had this conversation where you said, New York people, your motherfucker's too crazy. You want to break down the block. You're gonna break down the street. I want to do that. Now. If I was to say I have half my ties from Queensbridge, guess what I would say. I would say, yeah, gotta have my ties from queenris to say, well, well, part of Queensbridge, I would say, boom, I would say the I would say that side. You say, well, what side of that side? I would say twelve Street, Well,

twelve Street is where I rap because of that. But I think this man, I have to who And I'm so proud of your brother. I don't know if I ever told you that, but I want to say it again. I want to reiterate how proud of you. But you don't know how inspiring you was to me. You in you. We'll get to that later. But I used to see

his father training and I want. It inspired me to be a better father, inspired me to, um, I want to be a better father, wanted me, wanted like you know, I sit down, But your father out to be the realest thing in Queen's Bridge to me, to me, people people messing my father and queens because he just he went to work, you know, and he came home and that was it. And he was working hard. He lost his city job because he was u putting too much

overtime on his check. So that killed us when that happened, you know, and then they separated. That that killed us because he can't work for the city no more, you know what I mean. And but yeah, other than that, like he tried his hardest man, and he out there right now. I just left New York, you know, and he's out there working with the kids, you know, with more kids before it just me, you know, and he's

working with all the kids. God bless your past in your name, Like it's even ron artest, it's it's the artest foundation, you know. But he did it. It's his you know, his Uh what is the five ones? He three? I'm probably them you're hoping to kids. So now, um, I just want to tell you a story real quick. I mean Jamaica one time, right, so as i'making no Jamaica, the country Jamaica right. So I'm in Jamaica right, and I'm walking through the ship and one twelve is just

they're playing basketball. So I'm like, stories, I actually see you talking to them about it. I'm like, your want twelve? Give me the basketball left, Franck, Yeah, I got the ball. I'm like, well, I got on Slipperts. So one twelve actually kind of group wont kind of actually crack me, right, So I take the ball and I kicked that ship so far so recently recently? Why said the Big three and you just kicked the y'all? Yeah, I had I had to do it. You know why I did it?

Ship absolutely absolutely tells what happened. But for one like, they don't they don't know the rules yet, so you can get away with kicking the ball because nobody ever kicked the ball before they're out. I just wanted to get getting out the way real quick. And then uh, and then the game is too rough, man, the game is rough. I'm like, I'm I'm thirty eight, you know, and um, I don't want to play rough. No, more. May I gotta clean this game up. So I said,

you know, for being rough. So they start with you rough first and were in Detroit. So I'm like, I'm not I'm not about I'm not about stop the ball. You kicked this, I can get out. I was trying to out of the game. It was too impressive. Man out hearingson this what happened out hearingson push Pusteve Jackson out of bound and the resting called foul. So I'm not like, I'm not about to be a part of this.

I'm out there, get me get that ball. Reten ejected, No, no problem, out of here ejected, you know, and I and my boy out haringson. You know, he was on top of the team. That's my man. I'm not about the beginning of the scuff for my man on the court. I'm out there. So but but the league is dope. You know, um he's playing tomorrow. Correct play them all? Ice Cube, yeah kill so so to subscribe this to us, how how did you even make this there? Like ice

Cube called you? Yeah, like so last year I was gonna play and I'm on the Big three, the Big three, but I was working on I got a digital marketing company. So it's like all my time, Yeah did you markt and but you know so it's taken up all my time. So I come and play. But when I've heard I s C on TV talking about we need Kobe, we need Lebron, I'm like, you don't really want me like so I said, I'm not even gonna play. But he

hit me up personally. Wow, when he hit me a person I'm like, yeah, I'm gone because I was personally like, ye would like for you to play blah blah blah. I said, no doubt because how did he have anversation go down? Did he say, look at this ice cube? But today, I cup is super professional. Though I cupe reading. He paid me for a verse, but I want to hit your story. Yeah, I just cave a superfessional vision right now. He's a hell of a general manager. He said,

I'm gonna be honest. I'm sorry sorry to cut you. Yeah, please make sure that I'll get back to what we were saying. Yeah, but the nigga still rolls in the limo. Let's respect this nigger. No, the nigga and online when he came to our joy, he gave me at people I said, you know, I was downstair, Yeah, just waiting for the Limo said there was Lego for the may back something. I coo, I get it, and I said, this nigga cute isn't time. He's killing no that, but he gets a lot of money. But he spent a

lot of his own money last year. But he gonna make that money back because you know this. You know when you saw the business, you always gonna be in the red and he about to be in the blacks with that big three people liking huh so he so he called you and then he called me and was like, hey, um, I want you to play. I said, no doubt. And then he was like, can you go back to artests? I think it would be cool. I was like, yeah,

no problem, I'll go back to artists. But then my people called him and said, why are you trying to exploit the metal world. He's I'm like, he just this is cute. He wanted Artests's gonna get artests, but but we wasn't gonna do that. I wanted it, but then my partner was like, don't do it. I said, I or whatever or Cube was great. He everybody's on group chat so here a group chat us, the rules group chat us. Like any problems every team got there on a group chat. You could talk to him, you know,

and get you can input, get input. He's a better like David Stern Like, uh, you know David Stern Man, yeah, oh, but he he's going to be a hell of a gymer manager. And maybe the NBA might buy it. Why I would How would that look though? As a business boss, just when you're when your players are done, just go to the Big three and you have you have, you have a bigger audience. But sometimes your bands don't gotta

be done. Maybe this is somebody who's come from like you know, high school or college, and then they don't want to Maybe you don't want to play in the NBA, so maybe you want to smoke. That's question. Because we had Matt Barns on here. We had Matt balls on here, and I passed Matt bonds and blunt down, burn it down, down down. He burned it down. And then but see I didn't want him to snitch on other people, and he didn't want to sneak on other people. So I said,

do people burn in the NBA? He said, you listen to every day I was in the NBA. We burned it down. But I said, I said, don't don't y'all the y'alls, the y'alls, you know what I mean, Because if we can't have that, because some of these people still getting money, and why is it in the NBA that Uh there's people who Colorado, Denver where this is legal, right Los Angeles, but they say that even if you played for the Lakers, you can't have the same. Yeah,

why would the Lakers. The NBA operates by federal it's a national league. The federal thing. Fer you're talking about states never knew that hold on you you hit me on you hit me on the whatever. The federal coming. The whole cluntry needs to make it. The NBA and the NBA still might not make it legal even if it because it's like so many people went to jail for marijuana back in the day. Cops can be putting

down to marijuana. That's why. That's why they don't want to make it legal, because they're gonna have to retract all that crazy ship they've been doing. It's not right. I think it's good. You know, you know, I burned it down. A lot of the other days. I ain't got a lot to you every day, you know, and you know you shouldn't be. You shouldn't be running for your life for smoking a blunt. Definitely not, you know what I'm saying. So I'm for ice Cube pioneered there.

And on the flip side, if you're playing the game, shouldn't be smoking weed before the game? Good? You know, you're an adult. Whatever you're playing in the NBA, don't smoke weed before the game. Get it out your system, you know, and do it in moderation, you know. But you shouldn't be like worried about your life for smoking some weed. It's good, by the way, to what kind

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one what you said it was the cars. We were not said with the Kardashians because he was on his deathbed. I'm being honest, but you were the first thing that said the Kardashian is the downfall to every black man man. You mean it like, yeah, I like that. I don't know, I don't like that. I just say, i't me like that. But before that happened with you said that. Everybody rides with you. Now, but everybody says the same thing that

if you go to the Kardashians, your blackness leaves. No. I mean, people say, people say, people say, there's a lot of coincidences going down. It's the thing easy to say that, so like no, but you know, so with Lamar, before that happened with Lamar, I was I was talking to um Chris a lot, text me bad. We talk um the Chris guy that was from whom Christian Christian, the lady okay bid the god. The basketball players, Um,

I forget his name. Everybody does, but you know, but one of them was on his deathbed, you know what I'm saying. I was like, I panicked. I blamed everybody, and I said, you know, and I said something that shouldn't say because Chloe had Chloe held them all down, Like, but what did you exactly say? I was just like the Kardashian is messing my boy up? Basically I said that, But it was it wasn't quite accurate, you know, because

Chloe was in the hospital every day. Chloe was talking to me also making sure I see them all, you know, so shout out to Chloe and then but but let's let's clarify that statement. Why did you even make that? How did you feel like that? I felt I felt like, um stress, I feel it's too much pressure. When you went to the Kardashians. It's a you know, you're in a network basically, and everything is live and you always

gotta be on your A game. And I feel like it was too much pressure for my boy, you know. So you're coming from Queen's. He he out there and every time he come outside, it's a camera in his face. It is. But it wasn't their fault. His dad, Lama's dad was Lama's his mom and dad was like on drugs, which is his dad. And he spoke about that. Yeah, I see where he came from the stuff he was doing with stuff that he's seen. People are thinking Lama were crazy, but Lamar and his best friend passed away.

But what made you, I'm sorry, what made you change your mind? Though? The reason I changed your mind when I spoke to Chloe Wait, she called you after that. I was trying to get to them, and it was hard to get to him. Everybody trying to get to the law and see how you're doing. Chloe was the only way you can get in, and she answered the phone personally, everybody, I'm her phone phone, Okay, you called them? And then I'm like, yo, can I see Lama? And

she's making sure we're good. Cloe's a clothe's a real check. And you know what you say. She said, she's making sure we're good, making sure we're good, making sure we getting in, making sure the doctor's lett us. See lamar, you know not a lot a lot of people you said, just say this is after I said what I said. Yeah, yeah, I didn't say nothing that bad, but you know, you know what I mean. Let me something I just picked up. Um uh, Kim Kardash. A lot of people went over.

A lot of people has because a lot of people they criticize these women for getting plastic surge or whatever the fun they do. Gives a fun. I like this one because they black niggas. I don't expect that. I expect that, so I'm not gonna I'm gonna pick it up whatever the fuck they're doing, right. I locked the away that Kim freed the black lady. I don't even notice lady lame, but she helped free the nigger. She went and met with Trump and she freed the nigger.

The check excuse me and motherfucking college that she held them all down, and we didn't we didn't we didn't know that. We didn't know that a lot of people don't know that. You know, a lot of people don't know that. And Chloe and they met at my party. Met. I was they you can't say that just like that. They met at my party, So like what happened? I didn't set it up the marriage. Lets yeah, I was coming to l A and then I had a party. And then my mament was like, yo, you should get

because Chode was hosting parties at that time. She was, you know, building her us her brain, so she hosts the party with me and Chloe. And then Lamar came to the partyment, you know, my dude, what up? And then I was saying with Chloe for a little bit in the same self, thank you for coming to my party. I really appreciate you. She brought a lot of people out, and I went back to my table in the Lamar and they hooked up right there. Seven days later we

was at a wedding. Crazy seven days later he was at a way. I'm like, yo, my dude, really people quick, queens, you can't say that. You can't talk like so you're telling me I had no idea. I've never heard of this. So you're saying they met at your party. Seven days later they was getting married. Seven days later. They got married seven days Oh, I've never heard of. It was at the wedding and you have the wedding and what you're saying to yourself, Wow, wedding was amazing. That a

nice house, It's amazing. I was like, you got your prenum right? You're good? Are you asked them that in there? Because exactly lit at that time, that's the way is already good. Kid, But that's the that's genocide is good too. Jenide is good? Who's genocide? Gender good? But you know, Chloe is not on her own now, she's on She did what she wants. Now now the whole family is

good right now? Like the whole family? Yeah, Now, would you ever do something like that, like like, hey, Letna tall you something honestly about fall in love or data celebrity? Like what do you think? What do you think the celebrity? I don't don't know right now. My girl is amazing right now. But no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, let's celebrity because I just didn't want to be in the paper. Then I gotta be holy and I gotta be taking picture. I want to dress regular. I don't

want to be on that ship. I never dated celebrity in my life. Yeah, I can't do that ship. Yeah, but it's all only gets female celebrities. Right. I had my chances. I had some real what do you call it, um flattering opportunities, But I ain't take advantage of left. So but but so now go through the league. Do what you gotta do. Played against Kobe Bryant, have your plays Jordan's. I played against Jordan's. Who I played against Jordan's Jordan was nice at thirty eight. I played against um.

He wasn't he wanted on the Wizards. I played in Jordan on the Wizards. He was on the Wizards and he was killing. He had year on that day that yeah, he has twenty five. Came back that year, the whole year, telling your queen story with Jordan. Please just go serena summertime playing that hoops, Jim are Kelly's summertime Jim and be a lot of NBA players. It was no kids there, correct,

you know what? So but Lebron James is a fifteen year old Lebron James playing with me, Michael Finley, Jerry Stackhouse and so local Ob all in like in I prown, they ain't they brown, I'm young, I'm bron James is there and um so Jordan's killing everybody, you know. And then one game I break jordan Riz by mistake. Right, it wasn't on purpose, but by mistake. He was going hard. Jordan is crazy to get your get off his chest, Get off your chest? Said it mad, No, like, yeah,

I broke Jordan's Ristand did you break by mistake? Bro? You my dat street as well? In my mind, how did you break his rams stake? So that's what happened. When you when you let Jordan at the ball, you're as a rap. You know, it's a rap. So my mind cannot let him get the ball. He killing us, So I'm trying to deny. He kept holding me back. I'm like, I'm not gonna let you keep denying because I'm losing every single game. So I try to move it all out the way not to die. And so

the is referees and pick up ball. So they call offensive felon Jordan's and then I see Jordan's like this when when I moved this on my elbowed them in the ribs. He hold his ribs like this right now. They called offensive l He's like this rev Co offense. He pissed right, So we come back down all the way we score, we keep he come back down. He got the ball like this. I think I think it's about six six, game seven, we don't line. Jordan Jumper

hit the game winner with the rim broken. We literally broken. Rib I found out that turn you by mistake. I love Jordan. I love that. I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna be honest with you. Wrong, God, you wrong, right, Please, I'm sorry. So everybody call me rhyme, give my mind. People don't kids one piece, but I'm gonna be honest with you. You made the hood proud and you're still

making the hood proud. Just in case you don't know that, every little kid uh in Queen's Bride, on twelve Street, on Vernon, on Thames Street, on the Hill, on the Reese, um uh in those places wherever they at, they look and they look at you and they say, if wrong could do it, we can do it because how you did it and how you staying a lot of people change after they make it. You've made it and you stayed the same. And I just want you to know that people appreciate that, and I'm one of the people

to appreciate and you gotta be saluted for that. So I got a story for you. Okay, let's story for you. When he shot the police. Let's because I to go anyway. You you recall while he I asked Poine, I say, can I talk about this because I didn't want I don't know defamation or whatever it's called. You know, it's it's done. Anyone to think of the jail, yeah, I asked him. So, I'm a little nigger on the block, coming home from somewhere. It's dark, and I see Poem running.

Everybody outside. You know, he used to be popping in the hood. It's still still popping and now like it used to be off like I used to be, so put everybody outside pop outside. I see Poem running, I know, and I'm like, I knew it was him. I know it's running. Played with Poem and I was young. Poone had sixty three and olsar game. I'm not gonna lie is the left handed nigga. He's kind of licening ball nice. It's kind of I seen him giving nigga sixty and again if she was nice, I was on his team.

You know, you know, I was doing journey work. But he um, yeah, I'm pung with the left. I'm so I'm a young again. I'm like, I've never experienced this type of she I'm like, all right, what happens? Now? Did he go to jail? Like and they're like yeah, then bommy, she was crazy and I was wondering, where where were you at? Like what happened? I was y'all was doing. That's how he was like, that's how y'all met. Yeah, after he shot from that from there, Okay, I always

wanted to hear that stiff. We met from there and then I came home. Yeah, I was block too real ship, yeah, because what happened was Poem, Me and Poem was like best friends in jail, right, But a lot of people don't know is you're gonna see a board and Poems seem the board, and me and Poems set the board together. He got paroled and so you love your You're like, man, you go home fantastic, but in your mind, you so that's what happened. So what happened was Poem was so happy,

Like we didn't exchange numbers or nothing. So we were two years together straight, but he said, but in my mind, I'm like, nigga should wait like another two or three months. I didn't say that soon, but in my mind that's what I thought. So when you come home, I don't know. I just go to Queensbridge, l J. I don't know if you remember LJ. It depends LJ from compone is building the lobby, all um. I think Fuji something to

do with foodie. So well, l J. When I came home, l J, I went to I, Yeah, yeah, you chased out of man Puerto Ricans, Yeahicans, Domericans, Dominicans. I'm Latino good. You know you know what? I because my because my brother Wally. What then Wally, Wally had beef. I looked like Wally at that age, we look the same. And they chased me out to school. I had, I'll fight

you like I'm fighting like a bunch of motherfucker's. Then I go back to the principle if I'm like these motherfucker's trying to fight me, because like, all right, school's over, I ain't going home right now. I'm waiting the five. I'll wait till five o'clock. I never go back doing five again. I'm not gonna lie seven second. Goddamn it, this is man. I'mnna be honest. That's when I knew I was, you know, privilege. Oh yeah, at the school they go we are and I'm like, oh ship and

in the latinos like okay, good. Yeah, that's what I knew. I said, I got a little bit of leg work over there in wood Side, a little this world. So, so did you go to Tour four as well? I went to Tour four after one. I was waiting to go to school. I was out of school. I wasn't trying to go backing, you know, and I was trying to play ball at once, so you know, I was Then I waited went to to A four Wow, and then um, somebody discovered me and gave me a scholarship

to high school. Was Catholic school. I was like, okay, cool, tell the South Academy, Oh, South Academy. Okay, dream Chat sports, You're ready, Yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready. What's going on? Man? My name is Paul myself. Whenever this drink chat, you're yeah, what are you doing? We're doing? Come over here, man, No, no, no, come here man, the cigarettes come over here, come over here. Listen. I'm sorry to stop the podcast in the middle, but this middle a lot of people. I'm sorry, it's not

a lot of people who deserve to be here. But this is my brother. He just came home. How about to say to say, I don't know how many years have been locked up because they locked up since I was eight. I'm gonna be honest one the I love you big, everybody. And he might have been seven when I got locked up, though, I said eight. O bay, But man again, stay at home. We got a position, man, But go ahead. I'm sorry. Like I said, you can get on it too. This is my podcast, Dream Big,

Hip Hop Big. I'm shouting out. You know. My my angle is being the athletes and entrepreneurs and the good stories in the bad story. So you're saying right on, right on time. What I like to say is like, as far as your dream Big moment, nor re Donet spoke on it and ready your father bringing you into that, I'm beyond personally that's hard. Nobody, nobody can take that

away from you or can imitate that. So when when did you know, like you just been saying, you was getting chased out the I But was you six nine, getting tased. I was young. I was, I was, I was, I was. I was six maybe six ft maybe six one, and yeah, well I probably wasn't six one at that time. And you always knew that you was, You was ready. Your pop was setting the stage for you knew you was gonna take absolutely not. I ain't know I was going to leave. I was in tenth grade. I was

like I might have a shot. At that point. In tenth grade, you knew you was going to let's say this, and I gotta take a piss. I'm there with you too. It was them training kid. You know, I don't. I don't know what age you were, but I walked through. And now, let's due to calculations, right, because my first album came out in which means that I had to kind of record it in ninety six, right in order because this is so, this is what I'm trying to say.

So let's just say nineties six probably right, because it's gonna have been the beginning of and the minute I've seen how his father, because his father like he really cared about you. He wasn't. He wasn't. It wasn't like it makes sense, but it was like rain down rain actually rain came down, and I was like, oh, but kill him because I knew Queen's was scared of rain. Remember the rain had the Columbia joins nine multiple choices the Columbian joint. But I looked and I said, you

some creek got race kids and then niggas. They would leave when the rain came, and I was like, oh no,

we don't do that and left. Frack. We got were standing from the stop one and we still sound but we we but the bridge didn't know that at the time a ship and at that time the only time that was your He was throwing the board the chest and he was I can't remember what he was, the real Denzel Washington from he said that he says that he says that he said something, let's do a movie like I'm gonna be honest now, I'm gonna be honest

with you. I got I'm agreeing with it because I saw it now, because I'm front of forty one dash um. This was building and it's only a little thing that covers you a little, the little thing that when you walk in front of the something I'm in front of it. Then I'm like, they don't want to come outside. I'm good. I got damn dime because I you know, I go. I did the whole cell from here, so I'm like, now they whole cell to listen. I'm going, wait, greaight,

too far you go. I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, and I'm Herrick, so I'm thinking, is this came? And I looked it was you and that was one of the only times we had a chance to have it to ourselves too. So we love the rain. You know you did I tell you this story? I said, yo, listen. At first, I said yo. At first, I was like, yo, this is crazy. But then when I herald us Pop speak Godless, immediately that man he came over to us. He said something the component because it was like some

Kenney Do. I think Kenny Doo had came over right there, Kenny Do. It was poem Pops obviously, and yep, they just said something. And I'm just sitting there. I'm on the left. I got nobody knows who the funk I am. I'm just there. I'm just there and looked and I realized how discipline you were because I wasn't like fuck you like and you were just like you looked and I could tell every pass that you've caught. You was like,

but you didn't say it. You were just like I looked at you, and I was like, there's no way, there's no way that man is not gonna make it fall my mind. And and and for sure you did exactly a lot of kid. You not my son, my son, because I said, Yo, sorry, I know you met a world person. Piece excuse me, and he said, my son, egogle, every basketball player in the world. He said, I'm just gonna fight. I said, what, but that's up. So I'm like, what,

I know him before anybody. I guess. As fame goes, sun goes, then my oldest son right there, my oldest not seen what's up? He goes, Yeah, I know, mm hmm. But that's real, ship man, Like you know, for me to see your success, for me to see you, you know, that makes me a better person. It makes me a better individual, makes me a better person. That think wise because it knows that me you compone nas having. We gotta keep spreading that from our town, our places. You

can be bigger than even us. I mean, y'all when y'all was doing y'all thing, I wanted to be just like y'all, I ain't a lie, you know. And I always brought that because it's like it was the only reference point I had. It was all did cnn nas. It was a bunch of others too. Screwball I did because of these guys like, yeah, well actually everybody wrap, but you dropped. I don't know you recorded a screwballs my brother in law, screw boys, you know, and yeah it was crazy, but yeah, but you know, it was

just like it was just inspiring. And when when I when I made it, all my friends want to be like they want to be like them for real because we all started rapping. I should have just stayed marketing the car. But as long as you have fun, because you know what, I waiting for you to come back. I gotta takes um. But you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you. Um, you're so much of inspiration for the people in Queen's Bridge. Like I've seen I seen one time I was in Zoe's place. I seen

you just drove by. He's like, you just drove by, and I remember the whole block and there's a little like anybody's just like yo, I just drove through like, do you you understand how much of an inspiration you offered. I was always back, man, I never you know. It's just like when you talk about like Queen's brand and everybody rappids, that's from there when I when I left. When I left, I always wanted to make sure I always came back. That's what it was about, you know.

But sometimes I would be the only one there, you know. But but then you know, but then it was like so much going on because like, yeah, I honestly I always wanted to be in a home with like you and mob and not that's like at the same time, and never never really was like that seeing them mobs Ronald Test just chilling. I'm gonna tell you, like this, it was I was gonna be like that. Now I's gonna be like that. I was always mad about that, Like why I said it. Sometimes I was talking to media.

I don't want to talk too much out of line because Nasti is like a big brother and you know, having his like my family is so crack on the same floor, same same right there, you know, And I was like, why did nobody comes together? Why nobody? Why does nobody doing records together? It used to kill me because like I'm like all for it. I'm for it. But you know, but now everybody's still doing anything. And you know, I hope I would love one day for it to kind of be like that. You know, it

was crazy, it was amazing. I definitely inspired me. I ain't gonnae. I don't know if I would have made it without you, because I like, I wanted to be something. I wanted to be something, you know. Um, And I was always like the music was always like something I can relate to and something that pushed me. Absolutely, I'm getting something a little a little emotional. But um, where was you at when you when you heard the Prodigy pass? Um? Probably I speak to Prodigy, you know text Prodigy. Prodigy

is one of my He's he's a real dude. We started Infamous Records. I was the first investor Infamous Records. Um, but nobody knew that. But um, you know, and probably just a big brother, you know what I'm saying. And when he passed away, it was tough. Man. It was like it was unreal. Couldn't believe it. Didn't think it was real. You know, I just saw him, you know

what I'm saying, Just seeing that he's too young. He's too young, ago away And that was a tough one, man, because my favorite record of all time is better than Memorial, you know. And I would tell him that that's my favorite record and uh and um you know that was that was That was a tough one. But his sons a producer. I hope his son makes beats for everybody. And let's do that. Let's do that, Let's do that. Yeah,

let's do that, man. But um, I'm gonna be I just I just wanted you to know, man, we're proud of you. Us in Queens. We're holding you down. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna continue to represent for you. But now now let's get to my chaff. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Now this is this is this listen. I'm not gonna lie. I don't. I don't laugh with tears. Come on, ma, But you're on ESPN, T and T same, this thing is on national TV. Right. What did you just play

against Kobe? What's he was playing against? Um? Oh yeah, well I said it when he was alive. I said when he passed away, I had his I had his name right in my heavy play against James. Now put his name. But yeah, when he was alive, all right, when he was alive, so they said, they said to him, they said, y'all, what's this toughest game you had? The god or someone like? This is the color? He says, I said, well, it's the toughest person you ever had.

God film, I should kill me. But now if you don't know who Mike Chappen, now let me just tell you something. Mike Chapter comes to the jail. This nigger arms like he just walks to the jail. Right, I'm into jail. He walks in. Just look at this thick. I don't know why, but I feel like I know you, he said from Queensbridge. I know it. I knew it. And this nigger arms to me. You cannot take the ball from this thicker. But when he was in jail,

playing against he was a ball up. So nobody ke He just said he went to jail like he was in jail. No nig went to jail. He didn't even tell nobody he plays ball. So he jail. He's not visiting you like I'm a batt j right, but mind you comes to and he's like yeo, He's like, I know you know what I'm ever because remind you, this is noon and Noriega ship, this is before. So I'm looking and then just one day this think it just grabbed the ball and we're go on the ball court

and this nick it just grabbed the ball. He was just like, and I kid you not, you cannot take the ball. He was a special player, was a dude. And I'm just I was like once I knew that, I was like, I wanted to play against everybody. I was like, yo, cool me. I never knew that. I alread he was ball. I already was working out in jail. No, he got busy, and they said he that was my secret weapon. So when you said that, and you said

the nigger said was this hard? And you said the hardest player I ever played against, Mike chap Yo, I'm not gonna lie. Yes came out. So Mike, Mike and Kobe they remind me of each other. Their toughness. They definitely And then I never knew Mike beat right. He I saw about him last week at Zoe reason right, he told me, And then I'm like, oh, well it might be me thirty two to two when I was thirteen, he beat right? He like, right, he scored a little more, Mike, Mike,

remember the score. Remember I'm never going to figure that score, never gonna figuret that scores. That made you great? Two to two he beat right, hem thirty two to twice. I scored once. Oh and right, he might think right, he might have had like twenty six. Right, he was nice. I didn't even know he'd be right here. But Mike was. Um. He was in jail with seventeen years old at the time. Yes, we was in kidding jail together. Yes, the seven sixteen

seven sixteen, Yes, was on the other side. Yes, that's how we all know each other. That's crazy. When it was nice too and I'm three, but um, But then when when Mike, he was all supposed to LC me, Mike and Reggie Jessie went to Beshop Block and St. John's and me Mike Chadfield brother who was like with me at High Scho High School. I have twenty five, my Chatfield brother. I was twenty two. What's your new Mexico and all that you know? And then Mike, when

he came out of jail, we knew Mike was nice. Um, but then you know, Mike love the streets. Mike love of the streets, and I just I don't, I know, I never really got it, but that's my man. He was the best. And when when I shouted him out like I'm always gonna let you know that he was the best. And then I got my chance to say

it on t NC, he hit me up. Yo, he in the streets hustling like your things for that he still that's my I'm I'm like when he said that, because because no one in the world knew what the funding was talking about, Kenny Sniff did about what the thing was. That's we have so many unsung heroes, right, that's from my hood, Like so many people that have this props, but they don't actually be recognized. It was

a bunch of people in front of me. It was right, hein Johnson, the NINAS was nice, Mike chad Field Esse I had, you know, and then like sometimes you get lucky and the ship just opened up for me because they stopped playing. You know a lot of the guys stopped playing. You know, he law the streets to my dude, what do you think, what do you think? Because it was too easy for him, right, you gotta think about it. When right, we played against left right, right, he would

give us forty We had no chance. Right, he was too nice. He had no chance, you know. And I think it was too easy for him to early. Um, he played. They got bored with it. At the NBA camp, I didn't get invited. It was the top hundred players, right he was. They were Kobe has to picture I post on my Instagram, right he was. He was nice And um, I always gonna tell him that to you know, yeah, to be honest, man, bro, you you're a great guy. Man,

Be honest. I'm trying to give you all. I'm not gonna I'm not wrong back there, you know you let me just let me just keep it keep what's what's Vick? You know? Vic? Ye? Yes, Well I'm I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell your classic story. No queens, so Vic Vic and half like he was half for the weekend, like they kept comparing. Well, well, no, he had curly here, yeah, curly here, right, I got

curly here. Right. So there's the top two niggas. Right, So Vick comes to you know, that's Roight Hines fake cousin too, right, So they bring they bring them to the left. Frack, I got on the I caught him the shoes, so it comes on. They said, I'm you're the only guy I gotta beat on the top and y player. Y'all definitely didn't say that then, but it just I'm powaphrase. So the niggas said, Yo, y'all, I's do it right now. Damn, I got on shoes. This is a legendary story around him with Cosan. I get

the nigga, I get the niggas gave him. I had on No, he had on shoes. I gave him, yeah, and bust them by one point. That's right, only by one point, because I was I didn't know what it was that the nigga was nice, I said, but I ain't gonna lie. It was only the problem of the hood that made me win. Like I'm gonna be honest, like the nigga had me like he had me in my shoes. But I said, I was, you know, you know your hood. You start, you know you're gonna win.

Is the only two of y'all from Queens. You gotta relax. Fantastic, my nigga, And that's why you ever played against Havoc. Don't have his trash. It was not that bad having trash, just trash. And yeah in ball they trashi nas trash. I've never seen nas plash. I've never seen n. I love nas, think fund and everything I got going on right now. I love you also seen you. I don't think listen right now, let's what we should do, massive pill against drink Champs basketball game. We're gonna throw it

out there right now. But but we don't want to play against the staff. We want to play against jungle nas. Yeah, Davies, Yeah, we want to do it because I'm honest looking at you, I think you trash to oh you you go to the sideline. But I'm going right now. We need like now now I wanna um because I got to go the bath, but no, I want to enforce how real is having a reinforcement guy like you on the team, because like Dennis Rodman was one thing, like I felt

like he paved the way for you. Am I correcting my We were similar but different because I was a scorer, you know, and you didn't have blonde here I didn't have you did. Because you can definitely my favorite player. I want ninety one because of Dennist Like that's my favorite player. So so how did you how did you develop like you know, like fun that you're not scoring on me. I mean, honestly, it came from Tall Street, you know what I'm saying. That's where it came from.

You know, keep going and you're playing with the guys and you can't get on the court. You can't get on the court, you know, unless you ready. And there's only one quote on twelve set. I'm not going to running and I don't know. I don't want to as well. I'm staying at Yeah, I'm staying right and I'm not I'm not going one of any one of those runers. And you know, I'm not going to pass it and I'm not going to I'm not going cool. Sometimes they

go to Baby Park. Baby Park is cool, and they go to Baby Park, but the hill is real too, um um the Reese. You don't want to I mean, yeah, this is a game. So I stayed on tell the Street. And then in order to get on the court, you had to make it. And I started to make it.

Motherfucker's They would try to thug me out, and I started to get bigger and bigger, and I was I was playing with the men at like twelve thirteen years old, and I'm playing with my pops every night, so I was ready for all those elbows they were throwing, you know, and they did. They let me play every time. I was the only the only teenager playing. I wasn't even a teenager. I like twel years old and I was

locking motherfucker's up. Now you go to the NBA, and now when is the time where they say this is the guy? Because at one point people would just like, yo, listen, we're gonna, We're gonna because you're just intimidating everybody. No one wants to go to the hole. This is this is what it was. This is what it was like. They would they would say like I was fouling stuff, but I never really fouled out. And I would use

all my fouls. I know, when I had five, I'm not getting six because I'm gonna be honest right there, Um, that was all your fouls. Now, at one point, he was just the foul guy. He was just listen, listen. They just put him the game of foul people people. And then you get about listen, yo, he thought he was nice. He's never nice to play the game. Just to found people. He's a much that's but but he he is a butcher, you know, So how did you develop that? Man? Telling it's like no one, you know.

Sometimes like I feel like there was a lot of all stars getting like a lot of um recognition, and then like I wasn't getting as recognition because I wasn't a high jumper. So I decided to really take defense to the next level. And honest, in some games, I wouldn't even want to rebou I wouldn't want to get no stats, which hurt me a little bit. But sometimes I get, like, you know, some remounds of fall in

my hands. So I got to rebounds maybe like four points, maybe six points, and be the best player on the floor. I always wanted to be the best player on the floor. But I was strolling without getting rebound, without without any stats, and I was able to do that. Sometimes I'll be I'll walk on the floor and I had at least some other points, but we win and I shut down my opponent, and I'm the best foot player on the floor without any stats, you know. And it's hard to do.

But you gotta get a lot of deflections. You gotta do all you you gotta box out every single time. Fifty bowls. You know, good passes, you know, good defense, and you're the best player on the floor. But just defense and win the game. And when the game not a Big three, are you enjoying it? I'm I'm enjoying the Big three? You know. It's it's a little time consuming because, like, you know, just all the stuff I'm trying to do. Now, you know, they pay they pay us.

You know, it pay us a hunting racks fifty after tax, you know. And when you make so much one in the NBA, that's not as motivating, you know. But yeah, the season is like ten weeks you go. You know what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like, you know, it's not as motivating as the NBA. Check but it's fun. It's for ice Cube. I want to see it do well, you know, and um, it feels like the NBA. But the salaries are going to be going up next year.

They're going to continue to go up. But is that aspected as a player to join or just be happy that they're part of Big three? No? But I think right now you're paving the way. I'm happy that I'm paving away for somebody else. We're not reading the benefits. Oh man, um you know my favorite record, the record um L A l A Big City of Dreams. But I like the remix Queens Rich for real. We're not We're not wrapping it up street find this in the building. You know what I'm saying. Um, I get it. They

get that's my man? Is that nuts? Okay? A one time, one time? Yeah, I was just I definitely wanted to smoke so so um So, Now when you look at what's happened in the NBA right now, because well I have to ask you, right, because you're an NBA expert and more than anybody in this room. Bron went to the Lakers. Cousins also goes Golden State. What is gonna happen next year? What is gonna happen this year? It is the East doesn't even matter. I like I like the um I like the big I like the super teams.

You know, I like the super teams because um, I like the super teams because sometimes in the NBA you don't have to be that nice to be on the squad. If you just have good connections with the super teams, you've gotta be nice. Now, you know I was trying to get twenty years in the least. I kind of made it if I wanted to, you know. But you know, sometimes you just when you're out or with the super teams,

you've gotta be nice, you know what I'm saying. So I'm hoping it's like I'm hoping it's more super teams, because one, dude, you can't be in the game when you're going up against um Durant, Carry and Clay. You gotta be you gotta be ready. So I hope they I hope they get more, and I hope some people from call you and say, listen, yeah, I need you

to suit up yellow on purple. What you're doing. I don't playing one on one first, I'm gonna tell you why, because like my mind is not what basketball is like, you know, I'm like rich, No, I'm just saying when you think like that, I don't want to go there. I don't want to wrap wrap It's okay, but because I'm just it's just like so much politics involved. I get ready for a season and you don't play well, you get so ready to bring somebody else and it's like, Okay,

what am I getting ready for? But if I play Lebron one on one. Alright, cool, I'm about to go in and get in shape. I'm ready one of the one real quick. I'm not gonna look. Motivate me here, motivate me. I'm looking at you. You look in shape right now, I'm having bad shape. What you want to So? What what is in shape? Honestly? Your father, that's you. Gotta you gotta call your father tomorrow say thank you that. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. You just happened a three way.

I was like, yeah for that hang off. But because because you look, look that's installed in your brain. You're already you're supposed to be, and you want to be the person that you you know what I mean. I could definitely do it. I can definitely bust. A lot of people are asking the league. Absolutely, but I'm not Lebron. Let's not go. There's a lot of people I could bust. I'm not gonna say a lot of people ask like

a bust. But now I'm coaching this young boy, so I'm not like, I'm not trying to make it as much cause I'm helping going with you. I'm going with you. He's my guy. The Lakers might win it next year. By the way, you no, stop, stop stop. How many more spots they got left to fill? They got a couple of spots. They got the brain and they got money. No, they got listen, got Lebron and nobody. Right now, we don't know what the young boys gonna do coming back.

We don't know how good they're gonna be. Who knows, Like did they get did they get that much better? If they did, who's came back better? They whose was nice? Ever considered about being a coach. Yeah, I'm coaching like I coached the South Bay Lakers. You know, they gave me the opportunity to what Lakers? South Bay? It's like the Lakers little little league team? Can you invite me? Yeah, but I don't. I just like practice with them. By the way, did you didn't even invite me the Big Three? Yeah?

I mean I got your tickets. Yeah, cool, I got tickets for your cool. Cool just handing that right now, I'm getting my government. We got the Big Three. When you see a seat, take the seat. But yes, people are roaming around. It's a dope experience. So it's it's not like when I go to the heat because I got to eat. I got, I got, you know, the v I p section the cold because I ain't like that's not no nothing like that. A little more simpler, little now. But it's dope that you enjoy it. Man,

And it's your first year, the Big Three, my first year. Okay, you know it's just fun. You know, I'm just going it's like Rucker. It's like an upgraded Rucker. Like it's definitely upgraded, definitely graded Rucker. They're gonna kill they're doing anything. But if I had like a whole year, if prepare for it, I would I get more ready. I just wasn't mentally, you know, I'm not like workout every day I come up. I want to win, like I'm just not. So why exactly as you kicked the ball, I'm gonna

tell you why I kicked the ball. I tell you I keep the ball, you know, I keep the ball. In one twelve, he told me that, Yeah, yeah, definitely kicked the ball. On one twelf everybody kicked the ball. Keep the ball. I'm gonna throw that out there like that, even if I'm even if I'm losing like that, hey just just qualify the game. Sorry, but I'm saying that's not what happened with you. Hey when it Steve Jackson got pushed by Al Harrison, I'm like the rest of

cold fair. I'm like, if he didn't see that, I don't need to be in this game. So I was trying to get the ball, you know, I just show him how bad the referee you are and kick it and m he injected me. I'm like, thank you. I don't want to be in this game. I want to play. I need rules, you know what I'm saying, what's the rules? You know? Like I talked and I talked to as cuming them about it, you know, and like just cold

real fat. I don't mind grinding, but I'm not trying to be like headlocking somebody pushing somebody there, Like he's setting us up. He's setting us up for the big browl again. You're getting fight, you know for me, Like because if you push me, I'm like, I'm not gonna let you keep pushing me. I can't turn it off, you know, So the rest gotta the reals gotta controller. So now this fourteen years between you and Jamine, I

can't understand that. Like I know I asked you that earlier. Yeah, but I can't understand, like, like you don't gonna stands by yourself. You from what I see, you didn't look. You didn't care if anybody's behind you. You just wanted to get the neggle to hit you with this orange. I really didn't want them to run behind me. They did because they real, but I didn't. They lost a lot of money too, But but why so why why didn't y'all speak after that? Because you lost money and

they lost, So why wouldn't y'all? That was crazy to me because it was like this wasn't honestly, it wasn't out of disrespect, like I never really went to lunch, but anybody with anybody, right, I really I respect Jermaine. Like we got on that floor. I practiced as crazy, real competitive, you know, because Jermaine is crazy. I'm crazy, actually crazy. We gotta bunch of you know what I'm saying it reg Miller, Oh yeah, sorry, regime regiment. Regime

Miller was still there, you know. And practice was competitive, you know, and that was it. And I when I'm competing, I'm thinking about tomorrow's practice. So I'm not trying to go out with anybody, you know, I want to bush your as small and as every day, and I never was able to turn it off and just get some lunch and just chill. You know. I didn't know how to chill, you know, And that's why. But they understanding you,

you don't understand. And I was I was young, nineteen, I had a baby, you know, and um, I have a baby when I was seventeen, going to a couple of things with the WIFEE. So my mind wasn't all the way on the court. Also, you know, I was trying to figure out what I'm gonna do as nineteen or I got all this money. No, I'm just like doing I'm doing crazy show. I'm not really focused on

like just just ball, you know. No. But but but here's the reason why I asked you this, right, It's because immediately when we get somebody that we know they don't drink champs, I get my go with thee go at and he googled something. And when he googles it, and then the first thing that popped up was, um, that speaks the first time for fourteen years. And it fucked me up because I'm thinking, I'm not thinking the

incident that doesn't pop in my mind. I'm like, I know, they were both at they were both paces at the same time. So I'm like, all right, I'm thinking like that, and then or of a sudden, I'm like, okay, so you're saying, give me if I'm wrong. What you're saying it was kind of like your fault because you were kind of like in the league, but you were like defensive, like you really want that in the industry. I used

to be like that in the industry. And I'm saying with some of my best friends, by the way, is out Hearington, Wow, Steve Man. I talked to them, and I talked about the people you know, Um, not because of any disrespect, just you know, but I functioned with them, Wow Hearings and always reach out, yo, let's get some lunch, you know. And and Steve, you actually what they reach out all the time. I always invited me everywhere, you know, And I remember that to this day, you know, invited

me everywhere. I just went out. And it wasn't just done my other teams too. I I got to go to my room. I try to get my rests, you know. Um, you know, and I'm always thinking about the game wow. In practice. But as I got older, you know, I was just chilling. I can't I didn't care, I said, I prepared and all the time, I just wanna have fun. We lose whatever, because you know, I take losing to first. I was in the maskment gardens and I threw the camera. I took the camera off the guy. To what I

was mad. We lost a lot. That's the world up. As soon as I said, ya, I got, I said, I got, we got medals and night, like I said, you know that they kicked the ball just like you. And I think the camera it was a hundred thou camel, you know what I mean for the camera. So I'm not thinking about the camera. I'm just I'm just mad a and I'm like, fuck, I'll ask I had a camera to fix the pieces, like maybe I can make

eight back. That's a lot of money. They ain't even give me the camera back, you know what I mean. I'm gonna fix that and use that. But yeah, it's a lot of crazy like that. But but I'm happy with everything. Though. You think the NBA is so off right now now it's back now. It was so if you say that because the seven years, but let me let me explain. Let me explain where I'm coming from the Jordan Barkley era. Yeah, these niggas was elbowing each

other all that. Yeah yeah yeah. Then they got the next era and now they got this arrow even if they come near you. Yeah they got yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. But then you got a dreamond Green. He played like you. It's a couple of guys that could have played back in the days. This like a couple of years ago. I couldn't say that the league super soft right now? Physical So cousins Lebron said, you said the league is super soft. Say that you try to say that and just kept going. The league is not

right now. I feel like that. I feel like, no, not right now. It was. It was. It was like maybe three or four years ago. It was super soft because they called every foul. So what they did was the overseas players wasn't physical enough to play in the NBA. You want to expand your game, and when you're coming over here and you're playing the old rule, you don't want to got a chance against US Americans over here. Quite honestly, until you evolved. They had, they happened quicker

at it, so they opened it up. Yeah, that they let their loud zone, you know, and the shooters, the better shooters are all overseas, so there was a lot of rules. So there wasn't let you bump, Like if Curry's coming off me and I hit him, I can't bump them like before you could do. All that said, they freed the game for the for the for the smaller players, you know. And but now I feel like this again is coming back game more physical. They wanted

to be more physical. He played against that. I played against him, man na. I never shot him down very hard to shut him down. I never I mean, I wasn't in my prime. And then at the same time, like I didn't play agains him a lot. It would have been fun, you know, But now he was already going that way. How about k D k D. I called k D and my prime and I was abled to I think, I think, I think he shot twenty nine percent and the playoffs, But that's when he was young.

He wasn't ready. He wasn't ready. He wasn't ready at that time. He was he was, he was becoming ready. He's just see him. But I called him on the perfect time because he was probably right now. You probably gave me Phanzy so where do you rank yourself as the best defensive player in the world, Because I'm gonna be honest, I only have two defensive players and yeah, and it's the only Dinnis probing in you. And I don't care, don't care. Any day it could be you

one number one, it could be here, amazing. I don't give enough credit. I give him credit. I always trying to shout that a lot of you, that nigga living, that nigga living down the block. I see the snicker all the time. And once I was gonna, I was gonna wastz this up. It's not his podcast. No, he's my guy. But he was litt and I looked probably not as much no more. I had to leave because I don't want don't want to stay that. No, I

didn't want to do it. I was just like, he smacked every bitch ass that walked through that and I'm with my wife and I'm gonna be honest my wife. So I walked through, and my wife about to walk through. I said, hold on, baby, relaxed, stay over there, and then every other bitch that walked through, and I looked at this nig I said, listen, and all his homies OneD, and I just looked at this thing, and I said, be sure because his boat is balked under my house.

You don't understand. He has a boat called the Rodman in front of my house. So I'm like, nigga, you're not gonna win tonight, and you're not gonna win getting in your boat. So I'm giving him that look. Yeah, that nigga ain't Yeah, that sounds like about And he was just like and his people said leave this thing along, and I stood there. I'm done long. I stood there and he's like, all right, I don't even know what Marada is, but but big up the dinnis. But he's

a crazy yeah he Dennis. Dennis is Korea. I've never been in North Korea, Korea. I love what Dennis did. Man, he just wanted to bring peace. That the first time was wrong. He was drunk. You know, he's still on cocaine to this day, to this day. The first time, but little cocaine jaws. I felt, I said, I said, I don't got no right there like this nigger right now, this Nigel, I feel. I feel Dennis though, man, you know, it's like that's my nigga with him. Who he growing

no parents. His life was crazy. He was he was everything that's not he didn't have. You gotta calling a lecture McDonald too, Maybe Madonnald you were entitled to be crazy like you got. God damn it. You have to fightest white pussy in the world. Why your is not? It's funny, that's the best finest white pussy in the world. My wife is not here. Everybody looking around thinking like, my wife is here. Okay, if even he was here, it's okay. She knows understanding. It's some fine white pussy

other there. You gotta looking at me like, how are you going to end this? Sorr, How are you gonna stop? How does it I'm saying it's some fine white pussy out there. You sometimes nig has got to do it for real. You gotta ended him in North Korea, That's what I'm saying. No, I'm just saying this is this is this, It is this right, Yeah, it's a fine white pussy before RelA buddy. You don't want to drink

chance wrong, you have some fine white pussy. No man, I'm no, I'm good, you know, and you said what I'm I'm so happy right now? You know what my wife. But I'm saying because years ago, of course, white business. Eight years ago, eight years ago, eighteen years ago. Excuse it's been years ago, twenty eight years ago. It was wild man. You're making all that money, yeah, did doing your things. I'm around. It's bussy, but it's some fine white pussy out there. I mean, you know people have

the use, you had any preference. It's beautiful women everywhere. You know what I mean, people have they preface. But you know I was I'll be just chilling, man. I ain't got to be honest. I'mn be honest. Being a loyal person, you know, a loyal guy. It's better than being let's come back. Everybody go through their things. You ain't gonna be let me honest. Let me look at drains, Morris, listen, I'm gonna be honest. When I started straight up coming

home every night, that's where my life changed. It was beautiful. But when I was come back gain, I was wearing pink shirts like Mr Leak. It didn't work out for me. It didn't work out for me. I was waking up and gold Rush. I was in gold rush like Future and pancakes. It didn't go together. I was sitting there. Then I got my life. I stopped wearing Salmon, he's very seminar and pink. I stopped hanging out with Shobali because he's you know, he's a jump off. I'm just

doing it out there, y'alla. This is my brother. But let me just say something. You see a lot of times I think, as we're thinking, y'all smashing chicks, there's a lot of stories are smashing y'all. There's a lot of stories in the NBA. And that's that's everybody having fun. You cannot, you cannot. You gotta relax and take it. I definitely don't want to hang out with you now that I experience, got experienced, experienced with it's so good. No, but that's real ship. So now you see this big

conglomerate with the Golden State going on and Lebron. Can Lebron even survive this year? Yeah, they're gonna be. They're gonna they're trying to win in because I just went to um the Raptors. Correct. Yeah, I don't think Lebron necessarily needed kwhile Kaua. I don't really need Lebron. Lebron needs somebodyman, but it might be needed Peter Pan went to you, that's a new tool. Is that? I'm sorry because right now you know he gonna be on with

Jordan's he gotta relax because Jordan and y'all thin. Yeah, but Tony Barker Jordan, so, um, what do you think about going on? It's gonna be on fire. The Lakers is definitely gonna make noise because Kuzma is really good and Lebron he gotta shoot. They can shoot, and they gotta they have the young guys come back. People didn't see him, You though I was Julius was there because you know I Julius. But he's gonna play well in the Orleans. But the league gonna be on fire. He's

gonna be good. Everybody stepping it up, everybody working. You see anybody online Instagram, everybody training. I was with Chris paul Um, Trevor and Harden. It was in the gym every day together. You see a last year and then the show it on the car. I didn't think they was gonna play this well. They just you be used. Yeah, I don't think it was gonna be there would be a Clippers. I'm thinking that. I'm thinking they're gonna win like fifty some games, well, you know, forty nine games.

I could see you at Houston right now, I can't. I would need to get motivated. Orizon got traded though he loved he did. Wow, they probably travel reasons, Yeah, he went, oh yeah, yeah, he went to all you got some crushes. Well, yeah, since we're still talking, what what were you? Let's say now that you're in the Big Three? Is that that depending on the bruise and the half court? How do you like the Big Three compared to the NBA? Like your coaches, Like, who's your

favorite coach? Yeah, well in the Big Three? Well, definitely in the Big three right now. Charles Oakley is my coach. I love Charles, you know, I I like Charles oak You are going in the oak keep telling you exactly what what's wrong. He ain't gonna hold no punches. But the way I need tickets. You ain't even got your tickets? Keeping got Okay, it's probably Till Jackson is definitely, you know,

he's Jackson's though Lakers Lakers. It wasn't Phil Jackson the Knicks because he funked up the fire him a long time ago. I don't think man, I was hoping he went to New York, he got well, he got the last two rings in New York. Yeah, but that was like five years ago. But you know from the York he went home. He was the last for us. Now, I ain't gonna lie. His knees was so fucked up. He didn't want to be there. Like, I'm gonna be honest.

That's the person bad knees. I know where I want to be at A person sitting east when I Nigga walked in there, I think he didn't want to be there knees, and I don't want to be here. I got funked up knees. But at least I want to be in these places that I go to. And I've seen the this is the crazy shot I've seen Phil Jackson. I'm getting breakfast and I hate breakfast. So one day I'm in the Saint Reagions. Just walk across the street. I think Phil Jackson's right up to it. Kid. You know,

I walked outside. I smoked cigarettes still, so I kill us out. I went like this. I looked at this nigg and looked at me. I said, damn, I think feel might suck me up right there. Let this one go off I ain't gonna looked at him. I was there, I feel my heavy. Let me let this go, because I looked. We ain't even see nothing to each other, just looked at them. He looked at my face. He said, this is a real New York City fans. Look. He

looked at me. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know you heard all those meditation stories, but Bob I needed I didn't understand these meditation stories all right, So you know he would take you in there and this is one on one of this with the team, whole squad, turning all the lights out, you know, and he um burned the stage, that's the ship, the clean the room. Yeah, and just meditated locking teach you how to breathe. Amazing experience.

What does this called the Zin? It's called Zin? I think? Okay, yeah, I think he's a Buddhist. You know, the last play the Championship, I think like he wrote he went out, last time out, then comes back, and I think he wrote this fight it wasn't even a game play, like we already locked in. Yeah, you know, he's an amazing coach. I don't know how did you keep it real simple? And he ain't call on no play age and you just trust each other every teen ranks? What what? What? What?

You disappointed when he went to the Knicks and he couldn't Actually it was a fat check. I wasn't disappointed he got You know what I'm saying, I'm like, wow, at the end of your career. Nobody's getting that type of money at the end of their career. The niggas never even got up bad seat. I'm gonna be honest as a man. Listen, I'm gonna be honest. Let me say so. Yeah, I live in Miami for twelve years,

but I would never be at Miami nigger. I love these guys, but I'm never gonna be at Miami nick and they don't never set me as a Miami And guess what, it's respect. I respect that. But I go to bars where there's like New York Miami people and they just go at it. Oh really sports sports, sports, right, So I'll sit there. I don't like when Phil came. Yeah, I thought we was up. When when they first announced it, I was I was happy. Yeah, I'm looking at these

dudes and motherfucking what's the name of what's sunny? Yes, duffies, niggas know what I'm talking about how kid you not. Every time it's a sports game, it's just New York niggas and Miami niggas. They just coming there and they had the most beat for that moment, and then she was was over to be like, all right, cool Google, this is the best fucking experience in the world. Because in New York everybody shoots each other after woids, But this is duffies. I kid you not. I love this

fucking spot. And they just go there. I kid you not. They go there and it's it's half of it is Miami the heat, and then the other happens and they just they battle and whoever wins that day, they were how are you shots? And they paid for on the shots and it's cool. I had never like this is this is We're not, you know, moved out here and actually you know, like I'm done. That was one of

the first spots I did that. And when I experienced that, I appreciate it so much because in New York, if we're battling, it's like an end be buying you a shot. I end one of us. But how different was the experience because you lived in Indiana? What is the what are the places you lived then. I mean I went to where I was. That was Chicago. First was you with Chief keeping him? Next, I used to be in the hood, though I don't Chief Keith is young, so like when I was, I would go, I always want

to go to the hood. Now that I'm older, I don't know what I was doing. And Rabit Tailor and Combrini Green should have never been, but I was there A love yeah, too much. I went to Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something I didn't even know Compete Green. Yeah, I didn't. I went to Competely Green because I thought good times was there. That's what it was. That's what good times. But honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I never knew good Times was the hood till I

was moved outside of the hood. I was like, oh, ship, it's only us school like that. So when I went to Compete Green, I came out can you not act uncle wise? My brother? The police just came and just against the one way and one way out Combrini because I had maaged your he on. So the police thought I was the mind him. Came out the mind him. You know, they thought I was that guy. They thought I was. They thought they got it. So I'm like,

this moment, let the gonna search me. The whole hood came out, I kid you, that's one I love Chicago. The whole hood came out. Was like and oh, and it was nothing but white people who was searching me. So I'm looking at them niggas like, please keep going, my nigga. I'm sitting there like my nigga, I'm going down. This is before they started killing black niggas. This is

this is right before. I'm that this once before and then and then they finally realized they said, oh, this is not even from me here, because they thought I was to mind them from the That's how I looked. And I looked like that town. And the police rolled up on me up like part of me said shut up because them niggas would have smoked me. Kid, you're

not and so bring it back. So what I'm trying to say is sometimes the hood is actually a poison to us because we're so much involved in it that when we go back to it, we actually become part of what it was. Was that ever problem for you? It was? It was it was from like you know,

the standpoint of sometimes in business. You know. Um, you know, we just get into things and we shouldn't beginning into it right away without researching being able to execute or actually executing, or getting out the business when it's too much, you know. And I was so being I always wanted to make it into music, but I spent like millions on that. No, then I'm back. I'm not spending them

all on that, you know what I'm saying. Um, Then I got you know, then I went back to school and all that I had to fix, you know, things in my life. One why as making so much money? Yeah, why would you even think of music doing It's basically just how it works when you're an athlete and you were getting a music business. Basically you're just a traveling show man. You know. Inside Shock shocked it right, but

you just just back right. He's the only one that got a he got he had two plaques to I didn't know that, and he was respected and then yeah, you know, trying to right Shock around. I'm sorry. Yeah, one time they hired me and I tried to write Shock Run, but he was like, actually food bro. I seem to like like two weeks ago, and I ain't gonna lie I've seen just grab my hair. Sit damn shack. You can't do this. I'm just saying when the nigga like his size, I'm like, I'm like, leave much alone.

It's telling my li Nori, I can't have this picture existing or TMZ just too big. Now he does that, he does that so crazy. You've done all this in to the NBA. You see you see oh people, um do what you ever thought about like doing? Like, um, what is it? What is they ship called broadcasting? Yeah? You is fantastic, But you know I kind of I kind of like a commentator comment I want to have a T shirt on and a hat, like I don't want to do a lot of things where I got.

Podcasts are good, you know what I'm saying. Like sometimes I feel like I gotta always do something. Sometimes I just want to come to want to come to podcastcast. Yeah yeah, yeah, just be want to chill. You know. I like dressing up. I don't have to because honestly, you know, like wearing a suit to me is like you know, um, if you have to wear it, I feel like it's like almost like oppression, Like you know, why do I have to wear a suit? I want to coach you like a hoodie. You know, what is

that something you're interested in coaching? Sweatpants? I would love to something like I can coach definitely, you know, but but I got opportunity to coach, you know, so like you know, I'm having a good time, but I'm coaching a bunch of kids. I gotta add, you know, I'm doing in digital and lytics. I went back to u c l A for digital analytics and then I went back that was on Mondays at six pm, then Wednesdays with social media, and then I will travel to Vancouver

to take Google analytics. You know. On Saturdays was the company was talking about earlier. Yeah, and then on Saturdays was Business Business Analytics at Concordia Irvine, JO, Orange County. I was just trying to lock in yo, because I just wasn't you know. I knew like I can get in the business. I love investing, but I gotta learn. So I had to be aggressive the hell Yeah yeah, I had to be aggressive you know, with the with the education this side, and I treated just like defense

and I treated I want to know everything. I want to lock it DOWNE that this this is so beautiful, man, I ain't gone, I think I had a drink and I'm so good man. Yeah, I would like to get deep in the art in the artist Foundation, but I know that's that's I don't know how that works. But I'm honestly I'm chilling, man, I'm chilling your foundation. I can tell you. I tell you when. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah whatever. Yeah, so yeah, it's um so my I

guess two foundations. When I first came out the league, I was paying for people to go to school because somebody paid for me to go to school. So I paid for whoever want to go to school, I take you go to school. I ain't know nothing about taxes or five. I want to see threes. So this is just out my pocket, you know. So I was always in the charity. And finally I'm like, I wasn't getting no tax returns, you know. So I learned about that,

and then I started getting tax returns and stuff. So I started Excel University and I raised like when I won the championship, raised like seven dred thousand dollars with my ring. Gave all the money to like mental health institutions and and uh and for prisons and stuff like this is me. I thought, pretty much. Yeah, the whole Like somebody somebody said, hey, I'll give you fifty dollars for the ring. I'm like, I think I could do more with the raffle, and he's like, no, nobody ever know.

The biggest somebody ever got was fifty five thousand today or whatever. So I'll just say two dollars a raffle. You know, you pay two dollars all dollar and puffle. I actually offer me to fifty. Yeah. I knew I was gonna make more, um, and but I made seven hundred thousand and three months. I could have made more, but I gave all the money away, you know. And my dad's doing his foundation now, you know, and um, the Artists Foundation, and I'm trying to build like universities.

There are digital universities, so it's cheaper for people to uh go to school and you can still play sports still and still generate revenue and still learn, you know, because the education is so hard to access, you know what I'm saying, So hard to access, especially if you've been locked up. Why don't you get left back? You know what happens. You get left back, You're gonna get you gotta jail. You gonna get let back. You can't

make you can't make up to take it. You know what I'm saying, to take to take you too long and make it up, you're not And when you're hungry, you can't get educated. You're you're gonna do something stupid, you know what I mean. So yeah, so that was it, man, You, me and my dad our heads. I got mind. So before we leave about it, they act, Yeah, who's the hardest player? The hardest player? Man, that's tough. I mean, definitely Lebron, Kobe, and Jordan's those three standout. Definitely, even

Jordan at forty. I remember the moves he would do. Jordan and Jordans they can they can't miss a Jordan's Kobe have a chance. And it's interest though we're not talking far, It's like Lebron Jordan's right there. I just feel like Jordan and Jordan was pretty amazing, you know. Um yeah, so wait, wait I'm saying I'm saying because he just flost on us on us crazy. No, No, I think said I said, who the hardest players? That Jordan, Kobe. You can't just say no ship like that, just act

like hold on, hold on. That's three of the topic players in the world. The difference of you, Guarden, did you have a different therapy, different methods, excuse me of guarding different players and this? Yeah, yeah, now you got Yeah. So like I wasn't as as I wasn't as athletic when you played his Jordan he was in the Wizards, he went the Wizards. Kobe he was a Lakers, Lakers against the Broad and then a little bit of Miami. But by that time you did move. Okay, good, But like,

so Jordan's more efficient. Start with Jordan Wizards, more efficient. He's supposed to be washed up, very strong, you know, and gut defense. And then Kobe is more like better three point shooter, more New York handle type. You know, Kobe played way differently. Jordan's just a little more um. Paul Pass talked the most trash. Paul talks all the time. I didn't really hear much from Jordan, didn't really have much from Kobe and Lebron gag. Yeah. So so Jordan did.

Did Jordan talk ship to you? Not? Not really, man, because I didn't talk to when I. When I first met Jordan, I was nineteen and I was the only one that could guard Jordan in the gym, so you know, um, he loved when I came. When I would, he would call, are you coming back? Because I was the only way I pushed him. So they always asked me to come to this, to the games. Yeah, I did a I a little bit, but I was out of my position, but it was nobody. I was still the best friend

of my team. So I had to go out there all right, because nobody else could go out him. You know. So I had someone had some good games. That one game I had, he had seventeen points, Like that was big for me because you know, he was out of you know what I was saying, So that's seventeen. I felt good about that, you know. And then obviously he had games where he had thirty. Yeah, every time, ever, it was ever, I'm never gonna end unless you got more.

I got content. Ever anybody that you felt like, damn, I can't cover him. I never want to play against him again. There's never nobody I feel like I never want to play against. But there's people I knew I couldn't win against who like Lebron's definitely one of them, Like you know, like to Lebron where Lebron everywhere since

he first came in the league. Since he first came in the league, his first game against me had Now I had go games against him, but I'm just saying his first game against the best defending the league, he has twenty five and he points to Indiana. Were Indiana? He says, is this the best defender? You understand? I wish I had a gun. I ain't gonna no, no, I'm just saying, like you know what I'm saying. It's like,

you know, I was so mad. He said that, you know the game is describe me to this please during the game. So this is half time. They actually said, yeah, yeah, I was heated, Like you know, this kid just can't he would bust. He wasn't bust some my ask, but he was. He's efficient. He was doing this thing, did this thing. But it was still and I had some games like I had one game I had it. He

had he had no assists. So when you keep him no assistance because he was he didn't always want to shoot, so like everybody's staying there, man, and he could have had forty, but he was trying to pass, so he had no says I don't think the only time he had no assists in the game. Yeah, and Houston, but then I had, I had Sometimes sometimes I want to I want to go find that game. I want to go. You got you got anything else? Um? Can you say dream Big hip Hop? You said dream bake? Yeah? Hell yeah,

hell yeah? Got out to dream Big hip Hop? Yo? What's up as matter? World piece? Shout out the dream Big hip Hope? More question your shot before we get out? More question? I get one more question? Yeah? Can you can you sit down with me and have a little piece on my podcast? Yeah, Ustion, You're gonna too far now, you know what I honestly, I always want to be

on Drink Champs. I ain't gonna lie to you. When I seen Drinks Champs come out and I didn't get the call from the and I was like waiting for you. I gotta get on drink And when he hit me up, my man hit me up, I'm like, hell yeah, I'm going to drink Chat. I was Germaine, We're supposed to go to this club right now. I said, yoah, I'm

going to drink Chat. No, I'm gonna be honest. I just want you to know how important you are to the hood because a lot of people, and and and that's and that's what the art about us being the people that are supposed to be successful, and sometimes we don't know how important we are to that asset that we're attached to. And you, I'm just patting honest with you. When they think about music and think about not they think about athletics, your number one dude, queens, I don't

give a fun. Whatever the fun anybody saying you have a responsibility. You have responsibility is up lift yourself and to continue to be exactly who the funk you are. But you're not obligated to that. That's what you're supposed to do. You're not obligated. Yeah, what I'm saying, you fucking made it, supposed to do it just like I did. I'm not supposed to do. But the thing is when you do what you what you're doing already, that's what makes that. It makes it difference. The reason why we're here,

that's the reason why all life exists. When we're doing what we're supposed to do without us being told to do we're supposed to do. And as a person, so y'all come up from the beginning. There's no one problem in that dream check we see you continue your success because I kid you not. I said it. I said it on having episode. I have it came here, No, I have it came up? No, have it came here? Yeah, yeah, two times, but this was the last one. He came

and I was like, you never seen it happen. You're right, Nori, because I've seen you and it was. It was the best thing I ever seen in life. Yeah, a strong black man trained another strong black man to be a strong black man. That was hard, Bronna, be honest, because all of us we come from the hood and none of us have a father. That's another I mean I had a father. That's why I felt like I was rich. I didn't have no money, but my father present, I

felt rich. And when I seen that and I see what your that was crazy to me personally, and I have to salute. That's really saving you see me, your father was there, he felt rich. That's that's you know, it's true, It's true. That's why we do what we do. We do. We do it absolutely. Get me over there, God damn it. We'll think Somna take a drop and that's it. You're f