Episode 134 w/ Faith Evans

is what it should be. This is your boy and what his dj EF his drink chas motherfucking happy hour, make some And we got one of the queens of the culture in the building right now. When I say queen, I'm talking about really Queen Royalty, married to the King, came in this game on her own, did what she had to do, still surviving, still just dropped the album The King and I And if the case you didn't know who I'm talking about, we told my motherfucking faith,

let me fast fast. So listen, we had the season on here, seasons running around here, and he said, like he's traumatized. He can't even smoke weed anymore, because he said big they to smoke so much weed with him? Are you anywhere there that I'm not traumatized, but I might be near with the higher tolerance like big, but I'm not quite as bad because back then, like he, it would be a room full of us and like hear anybody like you know, he had the hat as he wants to, you know, a big blunt, put hash

in it. And then if you ain't smoking the hash blunt, you gotta get out. If you fall asleep, you gotta get out, like you know, you gotta get high, like you ain't getting hot, you gotta get I'm not that bad, right, So now your originally you're from Jersey? Correct? From the bricks? I got a friend big up say, on Clinton Avenue. It's very rough for that. I went to school actually with my high school, but I went to school on Clinton and Clinton Avenue and Clinton Place. So how does

your girl from Jersey link up a bad boy? How? How did how did this this stuff? Was? This always been your dream was to be a singer or well a singer. Yes, I say, I've been singing since I was like two years old, you know, since I could basically talk. But my initial my initial audience was in church and The first song I actually sang when it's like when I was like three, was a song from the flint Stones. I guess you know the Flintstones. I

remember in the Jackson's was like my favorite. No, it was a song, Okay, you remember the episode when Bam Bam and Pebbles performed that something that was like the Hollywood Bowl, you remember, so we were on the same mates and then they sang Atlanta Sunshine. That that was my first song I sang in church. So I mean, over the years, I knew I had a gift with singing, and then later on I just started as a hobby writing music. But I never knew I was gonna be

a re courting artists. I knew I wanted to make money with my voice somehow, but the whole being a signed artist to a label and not even in nothing to do with church. You know, I sang another places, school,

I sang every way I could church. A lot of people choirs over the church, and then you know why to learn that church is kind of like ill because it's either like you're either really good or you're like really bad, and like people like people like you can't you can't really say it you can't really say jerom if you need to stop jeroe yourself saying with jero, you can't really do that in church, you know what

I'm saying. But so it's either you're really good really So how did how did you what made you want to say this is gonna be a professional thing? Because all of us know that, all of us successful artists know that when we start out as a as a striving artist, it's not a lot of money. So it's it's a lot of it's a lot of what is it de motivation not not motivation at first when you first started. So how did you transition to say like, I'm gonna stick with this, I'm gonna make this work.

You know what, It's crazy because I mean church wasn't my only thing. Like I sang. I was the singer with my jazz man in school, I did wedding students. When I meant want to page it or two, I just wanted to sing. And just so happens. You know, a few people I knew got uh in the industry, but I still was just singing everywhere. That was. It

was just about singing. Later on, when I recorded and taught myself how to arrange records and produce myself, not even knowing that would have anything to do with my career later won't pretty much. I mean, by the time I met Puck, I'm a fast forward. Red Man. One of my best friends is rosing Over. Red Man's sister. Red was my boyfriend when I was in the ninth grade. So like when I heard y'all in the business always some of my sessions and checked on me and stuff

like that. But right before red Kind, he was a drummer in church when we met, you know, he was still he was DJ and sself like prior to Eric, and I'm kind of going to meet meeting him in sensations and kind of discovering him in that sense. But I was just always around it. My daughter's father actually, he was a producer and he became a producer with Christopher Wims, so I at she graduated from high school

william New York City. So I was around it. And I actually left my full scholarship at Fordham University, my academics because my daughter's father told me to move to California with him. And yeah, had nothing to do with me being an artist. But I got pregnant and you know whatever, it just sounded way more fun than living in Nork and get to the track. Nonetheless, by that time, I was already kind of like super dope at just a hobby recording myself. I had already been seeing everywhere.

But I met this dude yourself as well. I was in the gospel group, and we made a couple of a B side right because you know, but this is when I'm like thirteen fourteen. But the dude that recorded us was the lady's nephew. Let me just tell you how God works. I ended up right off a Fordham row, right off a grand concourse. I didn't know I was gonna end up going for them university on the full scholarship.

Then when I was third team, four team, just so happens, I get this full scholarship after my classes, which I was, you know, I gotta go because I got the scholarship. I would always go to the dude's house. I used to get woomans for sneaking out the window to go to this studio in the Bronx before I was of age to really be doing it. So I really knew

how to record myself. Like I said, produced myself stacked my vocals because he taught me how to use that little task camp thing when you could go straight to the cassette to work with. So by the time I met Puff, I mean it was really I was just the ride as my daughter's father. I was his ride to the studio and waiting in the lounge and Puff was working on his first album and he needed somebody to see this part. And it was like she could say, you know, and I went in there murdered it like

I stacked. It was like Mr Puffy, excuse me? Can I changed around and I've made I murked it. I know I did. As soon as I came out the booth, he was like, you want to sign up my new label? And I wasn't there for that at all. I know, I had on the church girl outfit or something like. I wasn't like, yeah, that wasn't like my thing. It's like if it happens that way, okay. So I had worked with I'll be sure prior to that. But he know,

he bade me just to do his demos. But again, I was just there when my daughter's father he heard me singing on the tape and like, oh ship, that's you, like come up my ship up. So it was just I was in that place at that time. But wherever it was that I was gonna sing and make some money, it's kind of where I want to be, whether it was in a professional recording sense or at a wedding or a retirement party. You know what I'm saying. All Right, Okay?

In the movie right Big Big walks out of the room, and I believe Puff says, I'm gonna meet my meet my artist. So you was already signed to a bad Boy prior to you even know him. Big was on that label. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben didn't know me either. I think when we finally met at that it was like this photo shoot because Monty Big had signed to bad Boy when Puff was still at Uptown. UM Total was signed before me as well, but and Craig mac. But when I remember um being, I mean Puff had

this photo shoot. I had already worked on Usher's first album, Marries My Life album. So while I was negotiating, when I was doing backgrounds and arrangements, like I was writing stuff and laying the demo, and most of the time he would keep my backgrounds that I laid down. That was like on Usher's first album and then marries My Life albums, so that's still publishing. You get absolutely publishing

and that after AFM honey with them. But yeah, during this time, I was negotiating my deal with Bad Boy Records. So by the time, you know, Pop had his this first photo shoot with his new artist. It ended up just being me, Big and Craig Mac at the photo shoot. I don't even remember. I don't think total made it right. It was just us three and that's where me and

b first met. And he said he has seen me coming in and out the near fact, because back then, you know, Puff would have like the whole every home, you know, somebody working on something different that he's you know, facilitating. Big said he thought I was like a session singer, you know, because he saw me going in and out of session. We didn't know I was an artist on the labeling, like somebody that kind of just got paid to do backgrounds, which I kind of was getting paid

to do that. But I wasn't there as a session thing. I was writing. I just was laying down and stuff that, you know what I mean. But that's double checks. Hey, okay, so um so he sings from the background the vocals you're writing, And how is this that had that approach when they come to you and they say, we would like you to be an artist. Was you expecting that that was something you didn't hear me when I was at that first session with my daughter's father for Ussher

and he needed someone to sing that part. As soon as I walked out the booth, he asked me that I want to sign his new label. It's just that in the time of him working out my deal, he was also having me right and work on USh You and Mary's album before I actually got to working on my first project. Yeah, so I was, you know, working on doing other things. I actually started working on my first album, and because Puff really wasn't known at that time. He was known, but he wasn't like what made you

put your trust in him? Well, you know what, it's crazy because I knew nothing about the industry like that. Yeah. I had a few friends that you know, kind of made it or got signed and became successful. But um, it's crazy because when I tell the story, I remember when I came out and he was like, you want to sign I'm like it really And he started writing down numbers like we're about to work out a deal right then, Like I'm like, oh, and it just so happens.

I have met this attorney who ended up being my first attorney. UM in the industry. I met him when I was writing with this producer from Jersey and the media. I was like, I got a lawyer, Like you better I'm not about to work out the deal right now. But nonetheless, um, you know, it was just it was cool. But it was like, on one hand, like, Okay, I mean you're serious. But on the other hand, don't even

play me, like, don't think. I don't think I'm about to do that right here right now, you know, don't get me on. It was you know, it was all new to him too, but I mean, it was a great thing to be a part of it. When I talked to my lawyer, he was like, well, I mean, and ain't like I had not not so on to take what I wasn't even out searching to get this type of thing, don't I'll be sure. I kinda was, you know, dancing with the idea of getting getting me

signed on his little imprint. But you know, it wasn't something that I was that's all I wanted to do. I was like whatever, if I could make some money and if I feel like it's gonna work out good, you know maybe, But it was just something concrete, and it was I heard a little buzz about him. And another side board to that story is sidebar mesa justice mother. Correct, she used to come to my church. One of her

cousins was best friends with my cousin in Jersey. So Misa used to visit my right and it's so crazy, I'm like twit over Leven and they knew she was like dating this guy, pump Daddy. I think he was still in you know, Howard or whatever. I don't know how old I was, but we knew that she was dating this puff daddy guy. I didn't know who he really was, you know. Fast forward how eight years later I didn't think. I never knew I was gonna be

on to this man's label. So immediately she was kind of one of my first confidence, one of the first people that kind of really embraced me because we already were familiar with each other just from her seeing me singing in my church. So when I was like, oh my god, she's like faith from New Jersey, Like I know her from my cousin's church. You know that's my

cousin too. It so immediately like, that's my cousin. So we were always pretty close from my entry into the actual business, you know, me and me, so so that's kind of how our relationship goes back. But it was very random. I never you know, it's full circle, but you never know the plans that God has for you. You know, what was the first time that you got

into the industry and you was like disappointed? When because because you know, we're all lied to what we expect and what we're supposed to and then when we finally realized it, it's like it's a it's a kick in your throat. It's like, so, when when was it? When was the first time you got disappointed? Like when you realize the industry that you're really in. Than that's a good question, but quite a hard one, you know, and go on, you know who you're talking to the sh

out of a bit, like the first time. I mean, tell you my first time I think about it, Okay, I'll tell you my first time. My first time was realizing that this was a business. Like I always thought that I could just trust my friend or trust forever and when I realized that I had to actually like read the contracts and go over things and the person's word wasn't good. Like that was the first time I kicked myself in the ass, and I was like, why

have my head? Okay, you know, I think, okay, you know what, Thank you because that kind of helped me in the direction of where I can't go because there's

many things I can say. But I think one of my first subconscious disappointments, whether I really was able to handle it or change it or express it or not, probably seeing my percentage I got on stuff that I wrote on for other people, right, And but you know, if you're that's something I learned over the years, how to really even understand and get clear on those splits you know what I'm saying beforehand and all that stuff that you got a factor in samples, So was like

and it wasn't my project to begin with, so I definitely wasn't the one choosing how much. But I'm like, I wrote the whole bridge and half a hook, and I'm like, point oh, oh, like you know what I'm saying percent point zero zero six, like you know, but whatever, but yeah, something like that probably was my very initial disappointment. But then I realized, like, whoa, you didn't ask anybody what was that going to be in the first place?

Or how you want drop that out? So, um, let me ask you something like, um, when you when you hear when you hear brothers battling, right, it can't it can't sit right with you because you you've seen actual battle battle like you've seen the worst of the worst. So when you see brothers like battling on on wax, what's the first thing you think of? Well, it depends on if it's something that this is lyrically interesting, interesting to me or not, because sometimes I'll be having to

catch up like, well, what are you mething about? What's the song about? You know? Who said? What? Um? Man? You know my kids or see Eason you know and them might kind of how about like NAS and J when you heard the and J. I mean, I think it's okay when it's when it's just in the spirit of um of competition, right. I don't really you know, I don't never judge people's creativity anyway. You ain't coming at me. I think have you ever think that someone

that you ever think someone made a record? U? Coming at you, do I think, well, I mean specifically, I know my my ex husband God blessed dead, but Big did. And the thing is, in real life, he wasn't coming at me. We were just come on, come on it. So this is a fun fact that this is a you know, that whole everything, biggie, And there's so many misconceptions, but we laugh at certain things that only we kind of know. Like what do you mean saying if faith

have twins, she probably had two. Yeah, I've had a couple of things. Listen. Number one, my son c J. When I first found out I was pregnant, it was twins. Okay, okay. By the time I was four most pregnant, there was like a disappearance something they called disappearing twins syndrome. So the other, uh the other, you know, I'm something I

didn't develop. The other didn't developed right, Um, But Big and I never had Big never question whether he you know, I was forgot about him later on, you know, because I was so livid and I just never even you know, I just never addressed him to after CJ was born. And one I didn't even had to be He just was crying one day looking at each and I'm my friend was so mad at him, my best friend who was my manager now, and she cursed him out, like I just I'm the type Like it's like because if

I go here, I'm like, that's the girl that documentary. Yeah, Balyn and you said that you were big only to stay there together for like two weeks and you looked in the apartment. He was like like that you know her mom Mary Flowers, Mary Flowers. That used to be to promote you know, that was crazy because I see the documentary of uncas. Yall sat down, y'all was eating and I was talking about how this place you used to go get this food, County House Country like so much.

So what was that? Was a spot in Brooklyn? Yeah, twenty four hours, don't close. The whole point of that scene was that big was mad greeting so we always like she said, I've been thinking of Tim Mills and it was pooring y'all, Like it was a big stuck up on wild Ship. There's a show in the house. What I'm saying, like that girl, how does the house a little Jersey girl, like just right into Brooklyn even though it is the brick little Jersey, But how did

how did it? Because when I see y'all, like, I'm not gonna lie to you, and of course I'm the outside of looking in. But when I mean even seeing y'all back to when I see y'all, it's like it's like it just goes together, like I think be even more so than how does the Jersey girl end up in Brooklyn? Because that's their substories to that Big used to be when we did meet, And you know, I hear my way around around Brooklyn already because I used

to go to as a Kywalkers. I like, he like what you're doing up in this Like I'm like, I used to go to this rehearsal at the shirts drive my homeboy to hear you know, I'm just so I'm new Jersey Drive. That's my nickname. That's what they called me. But no, we I think it's more hot. Big and I bind it. It was like our senses of humor, you know, like they used to try and they always joke on each other. And he tried to park on me and I'm quick on the come back, you know,

so I could beat Bond. I'm going to front our back, Oh ship than we are? We are? We are not you go back you normal? Okay, actually I got that way to look. There's gonna dude about just start from random souls. I don't want to know where your your head was at, where your space was at when you recorded this, when you wrote it. Whatever. Honestly, I'm gonna start. Yeah,

you gonna see your brother last time. When I listened back to that episode, I was like, dah, they said she's got smoke listed smokes, So I'm gonna throw um. I want to know where you was at, where your head was at when you wrote um. I remember that your first girl talk into the industry. That was my first single, but I believe that may have been man I have been no, no, no, it wasn't for Mary.

This may have been the first off checking song I actually recorded when I finally started working on my album. But the great thing of the story about that record, I remember when I got the hook like it was a and Pile was like this too, Like sometimes you just you ain't even want to come to the session because you just wanted to finish it. No shame, you don't even want to get this input. And a lot of time it was just like I want to finished, you know, before you told me what else to do

before you say what you think about it. But I knew when I finished that hook, I called him like, come listen, and he called almost everybody that was in any studio in the city to come and listen and so but at the time, you know, I was I'm super shock. I'm so used to recording by myself, so when people staring at me and I had to kind of finish it for everybody, was like, from Andre to Michael Bivens to this, like everybody just came through because he was like, Yo, come listen to this joint my

new artist. So I kind of knew it was like the ship, like everybody, this is big thinking that why we're wanting each other's sessions. A whole lot a lot of this stuff was recorded already by the time I came around. Who produced that, Chuck Thompson and that that was like an introduction to the my headspace was. I was excited. It was like a way for me to mess my church harmonies that I learned from the Clock Sisters over a hot ass beat, you know what I'm saying.

So it's a classic. It was then I used to make stuff off off the top of my head. Now I'll be thinking a lot harder about it. But I mean, it was just it was it just came out right. You know, it was meant to be that way. You had that something too. I don't know if you remember. I don't remember driving over the bridge in Brooklyn by myself when I first heard flex dropping blobs and I'm just crying, like thank you. A lot of a lot of people don't understand or can't described the first time

you hear yourself on the radio. That gotta be like like like a crivalent to like busting your first night. I mean, like, I mean, I gotta be real with that, Like I'm such a sucker nowadays. I heard your radio the other day and they played one of my old joys and I was like, fuck that ship, and the old me just snuffed me, Like what the fun is? You're just saying, are you still well? I mean, that's that's different. You're a hip hop parties, what I mean.

You know, most of the time I'm hearing my classic stuff, So it's not like I expect to hear my independent records on the radio, to be quite honest, unless it might be a Santimite station. That'd be like, I like this joy, but you know, I hear my that I perform all my classic stuff and that's the ship they think. Is No, that's what girls on the crowd like. Now she's still come on the run in between hip hop. I don't know if you know he got to rock the bell. It's not an old classic. Is actually pick

you up. I got to the party, to the launch party. But yeah, listen to that station though. You know, but I'd like to think we kind of inspired that with Drink Chance because Drink chats. We are the people that have been in this game ten years or more, you know, the new guys, they got their own platform you could go to, you know, the hot do these sevens of the power one on fis. We want to praise people

who have time in this game. And you know, usually when you have ten years or more in this game, people want to kick you out, people want to call you oh, and that's not what the has happened. We're not to happen. We are legends every other genre music. They picked them up otter ten years, were allowed us to happen in hip hop. You know what I'm saying. So she said something right now she said, because you're a hip hop artist and I feel like you're a

hip hop artist. No, I didn't mean that. I was speaking specifically to him, talking about hearing songs on the radio whereas my genre of music. Yeah, there was a time, like he said, there was a time when the power stations were playing what you considered classic R and B artists we were I wasn't considered that, and even all the way up until two thousand five. You know, in the last ten years, it's been it's a huge shift.

But I'm not really I'm not mad at that, you know what I'm saying, long as I'm getting played somewhere. But my point was to like, you're more likely to be hearing some rap stuff on a power station as opposed to my brand. I yeah, I kind of slide through because I got so many records outside movements in hip hop music. So yeah, I kind of when you came out, it was just it just had that hip hop field exact it was. It was on the clue about my music. But I meant specifically him being a rapper.

That's kind of what I'm meant. Um, So what is what are you listening to now? If we're going on the car right now. What what are you listening to? Well, um my, I'm so funny my iPod music, I lose Apple. I'm keeping a new way. No guated, she still do a little enjoyment. She's still that's not But I kind of listened to classic stuff. I mean I do. There's a lot of new artists that I appreciate, and and you know, there's always just some new fresh talent out there.

I don't really, but I mean I know on heavy rotation it's everything from like earth Wind and Fire to your Nita Beaker to your mom's and the thought was, just Stevie, wonder your shop up. I listened to so much stuff. But then I also listened to a lot of gospel music. I listened to a lot of jazz music because I studied in saying jazz too when I was in high school. So you know, I'm kind of a little all across the board. My kids tend to turn me onto um the artists that are kind of

like of the Mallenneial generation. If I don't already know who they to see, I don't know what that heard that man, That's how that's how everything sounds tonight. I mean it's all though, that's it at all. It is a few dot I don't A few are like would you would you? Would you listen to him up? I be listening that okay. TJ put me on a chance to wrapp ups nothing. I started like a chance to wrap up. Somebody knew how Sun and didn't he just past And Danny loves her son too. Um, it's not

his son, that's just soundings. Yeah, don't glove his Sun. Get the phone lead the weapon. That's what's leading the weapon, the weapon that is his son. I like him though he liked him too. He's like him A good to that record, goddamnit, super Dub. I listened to everything, but of course I like you know, I like all the classics. Ship. We didn't access to it now you don't have access to Ship before. Now we could. We're on our tunes. We're gonna listening, you know what I'm saying. Well as

you can plug us up. We were there. So you don't like to take advantage of listening to the classic shain't nothing like listening to the infamous Small first album the first Ship. We'll change. First off, I'm saying, I like to listen to classic Ship. That's a part of my workout, Like I got my little my workout mixed first of all includes all you just said, quiet storm shook mines, Um, don't don't super dug do before. She's one of the homies mothers. That's we've been all night long.

How did you come up with that one? Well? I was that song was inspired by church, So I was kind of trying to think of a well, no, like I was referring to like a church record in terms of the tempo and the cadence. How would I approach So it's a gospel record that kind of something like dan, you know, dance when I think of what he's done, I could dance all night. So it kind of was inspired by that. We just kind of played around with the melodies and lyrics. Yeah. I always kind of like, dang,

you know, this beat might remind me of this. What song has the same tempo that has a slick little cadence to it that I could kind of sen my bite off of and make it my own. So so the church do Um, sometimes I refer to rap, I mean you will, I'll be writing sometimes I'll be like, you know, when he approached like you know that in my time, and you know gave me some balls. Know you from somewhere? I keep looking at you. What do I know you from drink Champs? You know we got

drop the mixtape. No, we've done we met past. That's what I got, right, Okay, Now you got the ultimate one, oh makeup song in the world, like whenever anybody is bad and anybody and she's always come at So I want to hear her version though I can't think, you know what horrible, but you know that's like the ultimate, like like like when when something goes wrong in relationship, that record has to play when you're making up? Do

you know that that wall? Ironically enough, I was hoping when I wrote it it was in the spirit of okay because um, you know, Dick was already signed. But by the time we got married, and you know, I got him to finally move out of his mom's house and we moved in together, he went on the road immediately, so we really didn't get a whole lot of time to really, you know, spend together and making our home. You know, I was kind of meeting up with him on the road and still trying to get the house

set up. Still trying to work on my record. So it was more from the perspective of this is something that I wish he would be saying to me. That was why that was really every I was like, I wish he would be saying this to me, you know someone. Yeah, we didn't see the dreams. I definitely yeah. I mean I've told this story before. Listen to no. I mean that was really that. It was more like this is what I want him to be saying. He was going all the time, So it was like, damn, I'm you know,

trying my bad again. And this next one, this next one is pretty much self explanatory. I'll be missing you. But I got a chance to work with one twelve and puff on that. Like, um, how did that record come about? Obviously we know from on top of the minds, but um how how how was this concept even like you know, brought up well after Big Past, I didn't

really want to do anything. I had probably started recording my you know, I may have recorded one song on my second album, um, but I kind of shut down. I didn't really wanted to record. I didn't I refuse to record at Daddy's house. When I finally did start back with Court and I was just like every like everything you know. Um. But when puff up oas me what the idea to do this tribute? You know, he was like, I wanted to be the biggest tribute like I'd ever done. And none of this came in my

mind about money and nothing. It was more about like honoring big and he what he did say to make me want to, you know, go on the studio was I want, um the proceeds to go to the kids to see j Antiana. So that's really what made me do the record. Um, we didn't have this song at first. The first time we went into record. What was meant to be that tribute? You know that song? I'm sure it's it might be how I'm elving in them? But

oh uh oh miss you, miss you. That was like the loop they had and that ship was so sad like it was just I'm like, we just quiet like for three hours. Nobody came up with nothing, and then I was like, I can't do like we I don't think any of us like felt like we could do anything. So the next day, um, maybe a day or too later, when we came back to the studio, they had that loop for the with the police thing, and it just

it just felt different, you know it was. It's like in it you can hear where you can go lyrically or melodically and express your pain, but it still felt like a rejoy, like we can celebrate what he is and what he is and wants to us, you know what I'm like. So that's what it ended up being, Like, let's make it feel like that. I don't want it to feel so sad. I don't even know if I could sing a couple of blonds on this other track,

like I was just crying like you know. So yeah, it just felt a lot more celebratory when we came in with the other track. Okay, so I'm actually two more and then we're gonna go into the general joint love like this. Where was you a love like this? Actually I was. I had just falling in love with my ex, my ex my second husband tied, my ex husband tied, and this was post I was still not wanting to work at Daddy's house. But you know, I was into my second album and I had fallen in love.

So that's really what that song was about. And definitely not expectedly, you know, I didn't expect that to be like so soon after going through something. But you know, I fell in love with him, and that's hard. I got a hard study, always took a classes like I never knew that with you that I like everybody. You know, people in certain countries think me if Thatt Man Scoop is a group I do. Oh, you know what I mean? I never places. I've never been like, who are they?

They're great? You still enjoyed the game? I got one more song question, but I want to ask you a questions still, I could assist that you really still enjoyed the game. Yes, you know what I um because I know how to um sustain, you know, and it's not so much. I knew how to do it while it was being done, but I realized that a god is gonna always sustain me. I'm here for a reason. You know, I couldn't whatever it is, however, many units like I've

never measured my success on those type of things. You feel me because this is all I wouldn't saying flu but this was not my plan. I'm like, I know I can sing, I know I want to make money doing it, you know, but I also knew you gotta brain, so you gotta go to college. You gotta full academic scholarship, you know, and should happened. But I'm just like, I gotta figure it out. I'm a hustle. I have my daughter.

When I was like scholarship, I was in a resource froom girl, the resource like that's like, yeah, regular school, that's a fact. So so. But because most people, most people, Um, I get a great example. Uh, when Cameron and Jim Jones was beefing, right, Cam had went, I believe Angie Martinez and he said, I don't know why Jim is mad, because, um he's playing with house money. And to me, I thought, I sat back, I said, we're all playing with house money.

So you know what I'm saying, because the thing about it is we're not supposed to be where we're at the level of success, even if it's a dis amount of success. Even if it's dis amount of success, the odds of us actually making it makes us all have house money. You know What's what I'm saying. So I always look at it. My Baudy should tell me, say, look at the person for the positivity in the first before you look for anything else. So I just always

look at it. I just always look at it like you know the fact that we survived and we're doing things that we love, like we're all. We're all, We're all. I mean, back to your point, I definitely I don't remember your word and burden, but I definitely enjoy the game, so to speak. But I look at it like it's just a facet of my life. You know what I'm saying. I don't look at it's not you know what I'm saying, like it's so much I don't take home with me.

But it's like, damn, I gotta kind of really sometimes taking the perspective, you are someone who is popular to some people, you have touch some people with your music. So but I don't walk out the house thinking that just with that, like you know what I mean, I don't even expect that i'd be really genuinely appreciate it with somebody be like I love me, like really, oh my god, thing like like a I don't you don't. I meant, come on, what if you don't know about me? So,

I mean, look, it's stupid. Everybody has that. But I mean, I'm appreciative for the blessings that I've gotten from it, but I know that I'm here for reasons other than my musical gift. You know what I'm saying. I've learned a lot and learned how to maneuver and how to kind of just be chill. You know, they always be telling me like, y'all, you've really taught me a lot about that because you just be like you could be there, you'd be like, no, it's not even worth it. You

should do this. You know. It's more chest not checkers. You know what I'm saying. You gotta appreciate it. It could be worse, you know what I'm saying. It's when you aim to be. But we is something that we never thought we could do. I never thought i'd be a wrapper, my nigga. So I'll get an about blue or not. I appreciate with where I went and where I'm at now, if I'm still relevant, somebody still welcome to me here with my gona with you, I'll listen to your ship. I'm cool with that. The end of

the day, we really be happy. And that's crazy of the mystic with with you know what you guys have done with the hand that you were done with, with what happened with Big and stuff. You guys but I don't want to. I don't want to do that just yet, my bad e. But I want to get into this record, um, because this is another thing. And when I think of this, I think of my wife immediately because I love you. So yeah, you know about with my name, But listen

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for j Loo. I didn't write I love it. I think I arranged it and kind of, you know, did my little harmony stuff that I But it was written for j Lo. You no, it was written already. This was on my third, my last album on bad Boy, Faithfully, and you know, it was one of the songs that um you know, puff kind of gave me that was mostly written. I may and wrote a section on it, but it was for the most part already written and

it was for Jlo. I don't know what happened. I don't know if this was like after they wasn't together. I don't know, but I had the demo and to be just they broke up, he said, let me get my record back. No, I don't know. Her voice wasn't on it. I just know that it was a rich because when I heard the Denmark could totally hear it. I can hear it as a J Low record, you know what I mean. It's it's a pretty um even

though it's one of my more popular records. And like a lot of the U thirty five and under dudes that be trying to haul at me, I'm like, how did hell you know about me? Like that? I love your video, like after my divorce, like mad young dudes was trying to hoel But that was so I just kind of I knew it was a hit record. It just was like I had to definitely lay back me

being so used to sing. It's so soulful. It's a real simple melody, so to be quite honest, it was one of the songs that took a little longer for me to or because I had to kind of lay back and sing it real pretty, just simple and pretty. And I think I took like three fourth sessions just to like, you know, lay back like I got. I know I'm doing too many. It feels too soul for I needed this sound just real pretty, so but people appreciate the record now. I heard you kind of allude

to this earlier. Um What has there ever been a time where, like you know, um A and rs the executives overbearing, so you had to actually, like you said, I know, you said you should be called by yourself a lot then you had to switch over. It was was there a time you ever had to switch back

over to what you've been like? Yo, let me just keep a skeleton bunch because you know, I'm just because I can't really, to be quite honest, other than on other people's records where I've been so much produced, you know, very few far between Baby Phase when he did that single for me, But typically I kind of produced my own vocals, so I'm really kind of never had that problem. It was more talking about puff, but I think that

was just the excitement in the beginning. He just wanted to be you know, always, And it was like, okay, we know you got a good opinion, but I don't think it's good about this. You know what I'm saying, Like, you're not a stacker, you're not a harmonizer. Let me finish my harmonies before you tell me to change something, you know. So it was like I have to new sessions. I realized, don't even callt him to come listening to you know. Okay, that's something because something just that stacker

and harmonies. Now, stacker is like doubling up. That's called sacker. You know, it's called stacking stacking, but in singing sense, it's stacking in a unison with the same note harmonies when you add a different note creates a fuller sound. Right, I got a good question for you. Ever wrote something for somebody went to the studio, was like, well again, to be honest, when I had that issue. Lucky for me, it was posted the error of auto tuning stuff, you

know what I mean? Like I mean and said, can you do that one again? Because it's not quite often I've worked on other people's stuff, Like in the beginning of my career. That was a little more part of my hustle before I had a deal. But you know, sometimes I don't just had the time to just sit around write songs. I'm usually working on someone, I'm on

a project. I don't really just have songs to work on for other people unless they really like, I want you to work on my ship like that, And it got to be you know, something that's worked my dying wid Jusulia dying exactly because we do a tyger bone should oh man, we just let's bring back. But I mean, she is a late and it's not often I'm actually a boy. Let me tell you that was that was

actually sexist with me. I'm gonna take that back because tiger bone, that's right when I can tell the girl, man, you get something with it later straight about that shot, you're gonna go sit over. No, no, no, you gotta

drink because you know, I think I remember something. You be honest with me seeing y'all together, and I don't mean to get emotional, but it's like I know, big Coach signs that like you know, like like like it's a certain feeling, like you know when when you're homeboy that you trust hangs out with the lady that you love and like holding a dad like a certain fell and like that. A man just likes that. It's just like it's just like your writing them down to Yeah,

you's the reason why we connected. And I think you know it's definitely certainly a supernatural thing. And we know he's because I don't even it. It's only because of the spirit catched on when you drove up. I didn't even know that I was. That was favorite. I know. I'm trying to tell you, come on, I'm looking like you walk with me. I'm like, comes like, show, don't take the shot. You haven't I haven't dropped your stuf in.

She she whips the brooke these buckets all the time, like yo, can I borrow your minds to and people like I got I was like, I don't care. I just got a lot. I mean where the shower hasn't take you didn't the poor big shot. But this is like this is the fat, the fat, yea the tiger. Last time I had tys that Frances, Oh, she's a veteran. She to drink the whole. I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't ready for that. That was actually tasty man that was not spicy. There's a little spike that's like, you're

no no right now. So one of the one of the one of the most uh it is souls I ever met, tag on it. One of the most purous souls I haven't met in hip hop. What's Big? I always seen them some. Speaking of Branson, I went to Branston one time. Only two people I've ever seen behind the counter of Branson is red Man and Big. Okay, well, red Man and to introduced me to Branson, who introduced Big to Branson. Oh this is Branson has to be making.

I didn't know about Branston because I was boring them big Jaws and Big, and I was like, were you getting them jows? I was like red Man's uptown Branston at the candy store store exactly lottipops, those tall man Eddie, Eddie the candy man, and the other the young one. Um I think it was Jay No No, I forgot his name, but I know Eddie. We used to bump hands before in the morning out there, but before before

Eddie passed. That's when I knew that they had like some type of payola ship because one of my homies had died from Queen's and we went up to to get some. But we had all the champagne and we brought all We brought all the champagne right in front of Branston. The police just drove by. I didn't say nothing. We smoked all the week that we had. You gotta

think about it. That spot was right around the corner dog for like, oh yeah, but the police sation right around the police right there, try Burbridge right there, the Bronx to the left, the fish stole right here to the right. Sometimes you do out there, you know what I'm saying about that? Sometimes too in the morning and people out there about me. Did you sit there for hours? Talk?

You'd be out there for two hours and go on side ship with time and you'll sit with the more day because they give your free job for two hours here get your half hours to go home with. So your relationship with what what what little Kim? I see recently now it's it's prepared Back then, how was it? Well, Okay, I don't know if it's fair to say that there was ever a full relationship ever built. But in the beginning, um,

you know, I even see pictures. I'm like, oh, damn, I remember that, Like, you know, I definitely once I've realized this is Big Artists who I've been hearing about, that's a part of the crew, because I met the guys first. I think the first time I saw Kim was at the Big Popa video shoot and I was like, who was that girl? And he was like, oh, this little Kim. I had heard about it before, but um, I think by you know, initially, I was kind of trying to be cool with it. I mean, I think

we worked pretty cool. I see pictures where you know, I had on her glasses, she had online. You know. I was kind of being cool with it because I knew that was BIGS Artists, but I didn't know anything about their um involvement. You know, I didn't know there was in any kind of relationship. But I was new, you know, I was new Today's circle, So I mean, I wouldn't have known their history. And of course he wasn't trying to tell me that ship. But when I

found out, of course, it was like damn. You know, like damn, what the funk all this time? Right? You know, but I can't say that, oh she you know with some oh she's your friend and then she you know, it wasn't like that or you know, we didn't really build a relationship but have a history outside of me meeting her through knowing that she's his artist and me already kind of being cool with the guys for a

few months and you know, like okay, let me. You know, he kind of said in the beginnings wanted me to kind of be around her, but I think that was just that dumb young ship because he realized why do that? But now I mean, I think, I mean, just to be clear, once a big passed away any ill feelings to her. You know, we're not the window for me her, ain't anybody else. You know, it wasn't really anything to feel a way about. But we didn't necessarily see each

other and get to conversate. There may have been a time or two that I ran into her and kind of tried to say and she, you know, may not have been really ready to receive this, so it didn't go over so well. But story you on tour, Big on tour, you're coming through kicking the door, whipping some chicken ass something that just okay, yeah, I mean I went to Virginia. Yeah, that's happening. You're talking about the scene in the movie. You shut up, you can't. That's

why I ate up to this day. You know how you know, how did you have to drop on big How did you even okay? This is that? That's that dumb young ship. I'm at home in New York and he always well you know, they had a show, and he will always hit me, you know when he gets to wherever they're going, you know just how to say, what's up. I'm just working on my Um, I wasn't.

I'm not like a clocking you and all that, but he just he would always kind of check and I got here boom this particular time, just out of nowhere. It's like he was like, yeah, so, um, if you call on my room, I'm letting l use my room tonight. So and like, why are you telling me that I haven't called yet? You haven't not answered yet. You feel mean like you're telling too much. So I'm like, what do you mean? And I know, going, well, that's a lot like you were ain't about to give up your

room unless somebody be in there. So just immediately I'm like, you know, Cagney and lazy. I was like, call me home. I was like, yo, because you come watch China. Already had my whole plan together and I made my flight. I was like, that's just a thirty minute flight. I already knew the room number because he told me. But he's like, don't call my room because such and such gonna be using it. And you know you have a session. Are you kidding me? It was so close, you know what.

I already got the cab. My home girl came to keep my daughter. She's like, what are you talking about? What I said, I'll be back on going to Virginia. She didn't realized I was really coming right back. I got on the flight. It might have been a seven dam flight, landed about eight thirty, got to the hotel about nine nine thirty. Bump bum, you know. But when I got to the hotel, why and I see how the role man that he just happened to be he ain't seen me though he checking out. I see him.

I'm do do you know how the cartho? I just dipped around to the elevators, get up, stins locked on the door, went straight to the door and they said who is And I said, like, how's keeping? And the girl open the door a little bit and I just kicked it in and just started going for broke and your favor at the record out. You know, I had to go seeing I could have Thank god it was one year ninety and fun you know Instagram, Instagra? Who

are you to day? The old town? Ye know what I'm saying that right when doing with tmzad, I wanted it. He came into. I came in the room. He that I was out T's page. Just like father, I stick to the story. He still wasn't that guy, wasn't it under right? She thinks like this will enjoy like with the cover over like he like yo, faces came in head be not in the morning, sitting there. I'm sure

I don't like that. Who's she? I don't know, so you tell me she just stay she carried da I don't the next pie after look, sure he was over there cough like yo. I said, you gotta be the ruly shove. And it wasn't even about it was more so like, don't sucking something my telsen. It wasn't. I didn't even want to putting hands on nobody. That was

my intention at the moment. But it was like, son, don't tell me no dumb ship like that, like I can't let you just think that I'm stupid and I'm really believing that, And she wanted to answer the door. She might not have got sucked up stick here like get that. Yeah, we wanted. I felt bad for after that because I was like, look, I don't even funk. I was like, well you should have stupid, you should he just got Really, I'm like, you shut up. That

was actually real situation about it. So actually this is the last time he was here with Jada kiss Well, I don't have to ask you this, Um, did you watch The Unsolved? You know what. I haven't, but I've been hearing a lot about it and I want to catch up on it because, um, you know, and when people ask me about it, it's like using a pan. So I can't have one that since I haven't seen it. But certain things that I know when people as a viewer, you don't necessarily always no, Okay, this is the story

of the detective. It doesn't mean it's not a true story, but one side. But it's also something that has moved other things that may help us in a way. So it's like, you know, even though I haven't seen it, there you know, things that kind of shift in people saying, oh, we hurt that too, Like we know it is some of that too, but that doesn't bring us to a

conclusion to make them arrest somebody. And there's a Johnny Depp movie coming out to right right actually played herself and that she did a little don't even know that when she want when we were out there, Um, yeah, she did a little quick seeing um instead of you know, they had to just play herself kind of meeting with the guy. Oh I didn't see that. I didn't see that because I didn't I don't want to watch that

first one that first. I didn't want to. Yeah, I just actually just watched it like like a month ago. I just went through and like watching like the first one. It's actually, Um, it's because you know, in the hood, we always say if we know, the police know, but we never we never had no proof of that until that, Like like everything that we kind of like skeptical or speculating, it was the same thing that they did. So I

kind of appreciated that from that. Obviously, I don't have you know, as much interested invested into this as as you got. What makes sense makes sense, make sense? So I'm sitting back and I'm like a lot of this that some of this was just just overwhelming, and it's just over like I don't believe that, you know, puff had anything to do with the other side, Like I can't. I just can't. I just can't. But other things that was involved in that I didn't believe, Like I didn't believe,

like the police knew. I believe the police, I would be honest with you. I believe the police guys the East Coast, West Coast Big War more than we actually. No, the media definitely did well. They made up something that didn't really exist. Yeah, it really wasn't that they made They actually made it that man, the sort of thing

was happening at the time. When you see all this stuff come around now, it makes you think of back about like certain things that came across Like when we was in the l A. The FEDS was actually following us, Like what the funk? You know, what the fun was y'all that day? You know what I mean at the Soul training boards, but what happened this day? So you always be thinking of all these like different things, but

you don't know much. So a lot of times you hear about certain things, right, we don't that years later were like that, why right? People relationship change. It's not surprising what you're saying, because remember, years later we find him out about all the stuff they were doing the FEDS with the Black Panthers, and that's how they were beefs between them, and then they had a whole program

that was like undercover doing stuff. So that's exactly what they should have been doing in hip hop and probably, I mean, it's kind of obvious they were. Well here's the thing. I feel like they were able to um, you know, to definitely heighten the fuel the fire more, but and not to mention some involvement in the sense of whatever their work they were doing with the Death Road organization. And that's not too that's not me trying to sum it up and pin it on that, but

I know there was there's clearly been. There's evidence and and it's documented that there was involvement you know, with the police and death row records or whatever, so um, whatever that is. But I think that just they were able to certainly um with the media as well, to heighten that ship and add to it them it may have helped them to cover up some other ship because it's just people, you know how that Gold Street niggas gangsters. You know what I mean, Yo, ship is you know

what I mean. Don't get me wrong. We've heard many times and it wasn't in court, and it wasn't from the people that should be making an arrest. Who the person is that actually pulled the childer and killed Big and not so much that that mean that's true, but I think we kind of got an idea that it's believable. But at the same time, you know, we it's not up to us too. We can't we can't. We can't uh, we can't legally implicate anyone, and we can't arrest anybody.

So it's like until that, you know, don't matter. It don't matter what we think of what our conclusion based on all these things is if the l a p d doesn't choose to hold somebody at fall for his murder us Again, that's why I suggest you watch it, because, um it's kind of their point of view, and it's like we've never seen that part, you know what I'm saying. Um me again, Um, obviously I met Big, I never got to met meet Tupac at all. I actually had a record called l A l A Defending Big and

um So. But I never got to meet Tupac. I never really got and and again all I heard was rumor was all I heard was things. I remember me landing in l A after it happened, and you know, def jam or Tommy Boy, forget what labor I was on um As soon as I landed, they had police with me, and I was just like what it was like? Yo? It was like, Yo, listen, we're not taking no chances. You're Jervon's risking all this because y'all put it out there.

You know, y'all y'all were doing something he wasn't doing. Y'all was making the response when we wasn't. That's how I think it was because that's what the media made it. I mean, because y'all wasn't speaking to us, and he was telling y'all could do that. It was just because they're doing this, because that's what they was making it. You know what I mean. You're doing photos shoot for a magazine and they put it out and they say

East coast versus West coast on the vibe. You know, it was just they was all feeding into it, making it something it wasn't, and Nick was just really just feeding off it, you know what I'm Sayings have apologized since then because they realized that ship started a lot of you know what I mean, that's just started a lot of ships. Ship was really real, like you really couldn't go to certain places and an't like how this great. Let me just tell you something. Um wow, that's nothing

the other day, but like last year or whatever. Right, I'm at I'm at my hotel and Tupox movie came out. So in my hotel room package was tickets to the Tupac ship. So I'm like, who ship? So I'm like, all right, cool, I had tickets already. So I walked in there and it was the first time like I actually was the only East coast, you know, West coast part. You know how I hung out with Drake Father, my nigger. There was something I said, ainything I don't know you

would from Mississippi. How you doing it exists? Exists? But I stood there like it was the first time, like I got I got to live in their world. And they really we were really just confused. Motherfucker's because the thing about like you to think about even you know, you know, New York, we were separated. We established that on like we're separated if right, meaning like you we'll say you're from Brick City, you'll say you from Brooklyn

or whatever. But I didn't realize that everywhere else kind of does the same thing too, Like like I was sitting there and there was like game dude, seeing each other's what's talking? But then they then they just walked away, and I'm just like, pretty much, I don't know what I said. I was like, yo, and mind I'm because I'm the East Coast through they don't really they don't, they don't really, they don't really see me. I don't want me. The more work I have one dude. That's

where the guards me and one dude. So um, And that was the first time I got to realize, like, you know, I want you know what we were both. We were both from manipulated, like we were taught to think that we're different from them and they're different from us, when really it's the same people just with a different act. And we had to do so much ship over there. It was like, yo, like you know, I don't have a tality back then, you really just and give a

funk like you know that that's a new Yorkshire. You know, we we go anywhere, like man funk all that, I'm not gonna go nowhere. We got more now we keep going, so you know that's that's I don't want to knock streight down. So that's how I look and stuff like that. What I'm saying, like, you know, one thing that that I'm curious about is you and big relationship as both being artists. How is that dynamic? How does that play

out to people that are artists with careers of their own? Um, I think that probably how do you even have quality time to start with? Just even that you know, we just met. We were both already artists and it wasn't like we were full fledged into It just happened so quick. So I think the person that put more thought on that than us was I mean, he liked the fact that y'all had a relationship. I couldn't there like probably

on the business. But it's like I didn't even know y'all were dating, Like I mean, I can think I remember telling him like I think he likes me. But you know, it was a matter of like two months six you know, two months from us meeting to being married. So it wasn't seven days like he's been said. It was more like two months from us meeting and actually getting married. But you know, I remember being such a big deal. It's so funny. I'm like, what the fund is?

The big deal? Y'all told puff y'all like we have to make this big old meet and announced it. You are quipped, you have a catheter. I'm trying to the next month drinking work. First they called me the only time. First of all, first we could hear you first. I think. I don't think there's no other guests requested trying your bone, because that's what I'm want, Like, come on, get going on the baby guy, man, come on, help, let's star leave that out there. That's going on the big one. Pause.

That's that's three fucking great people over. I can't that's the way. So rest in peace. I didn't get that. Oh yeah, exactly, rest in peace. I didn't mean that. But my son FaceTime with different strokes. There are suns weird out. Mopster still alive though, still okay, And I say killed name Louis is his name? That college slipping backs to see what cocaine has. Two weeks ago was there has about in front of the cannon ball. Damn, I was punked up with that. Just now, man, I

feel bad about very cool man. Man, I didn't know that not so um so you got don sounds so disappointed. Man, that was my god. They compare me to for a long time. He's like, now he's still alive. Listen, just quite a few people. There's quite a few people who had the craziest run in the music industry. Bad boy that had one of the craziest one at one point.

If you didn't think they had the longest run, if you ain't hip hop like strange eventI every nowaday, sorry you don't have something you didn't you agree, Benji, y'all had the illest one. Y'all tours, y'all dice games mostly like like like describe y'all first toy like as a as a bad boy family together. Let me tell you about mine. Okay it was two years ago. I don't

know what the reunion tour. Okay, hold on part of that, Okay, but hold I understand you didn't You didn't go because the biggest jealousy or you didn't go because me and Big was going through it. But on some other ship. You know, I still was about my money and our career. Ship was very separate, you know. Um, and they wanted me to go on the tour, fucking saying it's promo that means free, my niggah. Like I was okay, not only on the personal side. I had found out about

Big and Camp. Then Big was already dating, um, Charlie Baltimore. This so I listening happened. Not gonna don't avoid ship you dot boyd ship. I'm not angry. It's so good. I'm still Yeah, I was doing shows like you know, getting Like I want to say, at the time, I had maybe two singles out, but I had a gold My album might even been gold. But I know I had two gold singles for sure, and maybe my album

almost go. I'm getting paid like sevent just to do two songs, three songs on the on the night, you know, maybe seventy five gees. Like that was okay for me. Why am I gonna go on a tour for free and might have to fund somebody up, you know what

I mean? Like I don't want to even This is me trying to be very not around that ship because I don't want to do that right exactly exactly like hell night doing that, and I um went to l A because this producer was saying he would want to pay me the write songs for his group, which is who I was with in the club to night that I met Tupac with when Tres was with Tupac in the club in l A. Because I was just trying to make money, this makes sense, and they was Tres Tres,

I don't Trench from Jersey used to be at Brehouse. So he was some one like, Yo, my boy, Pad want to meet you. I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest with you. Right, I hadn't met you. We got we gotta take a ball, not okay, right, cool? So I haven't met you solo solo cool. You gotta Tau for the Birk met you, Oh my god, And I knew the most lovable person. I met you in Justice. Oh wow, I met you in Justice and um we were just there and I had smelled like wee and I knew

like like the type of person you was. So when we visited the picture, I was like that pure and I had just like I could tell like, yeah, knew that I'm cool. No, I'm cool with everybody, and that's not the experience of that that in hindsight, you know. But and we were just on everything, just talking about this like last night. But you know, it's like nigger, you know me a big would I told Big I met Pop like I would avoid Biggs calls some time to that producer's house that I was working just on

my little bullshit. You know, we did dumb ship. But then this time I took you. I was happy to tell him because I knew, like Big did not want to believe that. I didn't know Pop, but I knew what he said about him, how he felt about him, and so when he even had an inkle of like at that time, it wasn't confirmed like he really feel like that. But it was a little ship. It wasn't no social you know what I mean. Like I don't know if it was even so much direction at the time,

it wasn't. That article wasn't out. So I was happy, like, yo, I met your boy poking. He told me he liked my music and want to do something for me. I'm thinking it was he didn't say don't do it, He's like, you gonna do it. I was like, yeah, I gave him Mark's number told how much it's gonna be. Yeah, he was my he was bigg manager. So after a certain point I let him be my manager because I didn't have a manager when I got signed. But you know, it wasn't. It wasn't something that I was hiding. You

put it. That's the point I'm making, And my point was it Big would have said, don't do it it Big, because we know Big wasn't. He wasn't on the garden and he probably a little confused, like I don't think that's true, because there's no way he could feel that he could think. Would you understood how he tried to use you as a causual tier the wall? Absolutely, and not only I'm not only him. But the thing is, at that time, I didn't even know the bigger situation.

When I went to the studio with cop I didn't know he was signed to death Roll. I was on stage with Pup at that Source Awards when she said that I was there on stage but I didn't know. I wasn't say I didn't know what you were talking about. I had on a like a champagne colored su Chris Webber, me and public I'm confused and clapping at like was going on. And even when I went to studio, until I walked in a studio, I didn't know Pop was

signed to death Row. Like I immediately was like, oh ship, Like I knew other people from just whatever I've seen in the media. I saw probably uh, I don't remember, maybe Danny Way corrupt corrupt was there, you know what I mean. But I just started being a cool person, my hands smoking with everybody. You know, I'm gonna get this hook done. But I felt a little weird because

I just didn't know he was on death Row. And I knew that this guy who runs this label had just said something about the president runs my label, even though I didn't know boy it was coming from, and I didn't know where it was coming from for even years after even for a few years after that, you know, like there's a whole backstory too. I left that has nothing to do a big or two you know what

I'm saying. So that's yeah, that's so um okay. In the movie again, it says, um again, I'm just a little into the movie, this can be um false for big hands about it and and me as being a man, that was my wife. We were just talking about that. No, No,

that happened, um Big. I think what happened was that it was like I don't know what magazine and may have been Vibe, may have been sourced one of those, or may have been New York something rubble Stone, but they were there was an article and this is prior to I mean, this is after me going in the studio with Tupac. But again, there was no up right, I don't know. I've heard it before, but I don't know.

I don't know whether it was just it's online, but I don't know if it was on the actual death Row release or something like it was never approved something. I think they put it out with the girl duel singing it. But do you want to know the irony? You know what the song was called? Right? I wonder

why I didn't call you bitch? Right? Yes, imagine you know what I'm saying, like this is what I'm singing right now in the moment of me like, oh this snik is on death ro Like you know what I'm saying, Like it was weird, but one what was gonna happen next? Until I did never get my mother fucking checking. So is prior to that, um big, and Pop work good.

Well again, I never met Pop. But let me take you back before that to the Quad studio night, which is another story that has been, you know, differently purported, but I remember I wasn't there, but I was at our apartment in Brooklyn and Big called me boo who crying after that ship happened and telling me, I'm going to belve you to check on Pop. You feel me. So whether anybody ever said that, but I know that, well, I knew before that. I knew he would never that

wasn't something he would do. I spoke to them soon they used to be with me or they're like, oh my god, I don't I know. We ran upstairs and the next thing, you know, you know, I think it may not have been right away, but you know, by the time it got to public consumption, it wasn't more than a week later that people were saying that he said that or he obviously did say it, that he said they had something to do with it. But I knew that wasn't the case. Like he did called me

crying going to check on him. That wasn't fake. He don't have to call me. He's like, oh my god, this just happened. Season him and I'm gonna go check on my man, make sure you are right, you know. And he came home later, but um, you know, he still kind of wanted to think that their relationship was a little more genuine than what he was here. I'd know what. Obviously Pop had shifted for whatever reason. You know his feelings about Big. You know, they was young.

It was a battery back. If they would have met with each other, that would be I think he's definitely hopefully wasting a one day work it out, you know what I'm saying that y'all saw each other at everything. No, no, I want a piece of He said, that wasn't That wasn't the Pop We like, he couldn't believe that dude was doing that. But you know he was with Sugar.

You know Sugar, Like everybody know that Shug was putting the battery in his back, had him, you know, doing that type of ship because he had a personal situation with Puff, you know what I'm saying that, And you know we didn't know about that or you know that ship don't come around to you. Hear rumors about that ship like it was some personal ship with them that

that trickled down to beyond pop situation. What I'm saying, Pop didn't want to do that, but that you know, they built him out of jail and he came out, and you know, his loyalty was to that. He can't knock him for that, you know what I'm saying. Our loyal t was towards Big. It is what it is. We didn't just it's no other reason for me to dislike that man. We didn't like him because he was going against my man. That's my boss, that's my brother,

you know what I'm saying. And that's just how it was. And that wasn't really who Pop was. We hung out with him before, and that's why Big didn't. That's why Big didn't response and do these things, you know what I'm saying. So it supposed to went to that level, you know what I'm saying, Like you know Big, That's why he never made a response. That's why he didn't even feed into the ship that went down with the

picture with harding him. He knew who he was, and he knew her before for first and foremost what I'm saying, But it wasn't nothing to really trip about, you know what i mean. But because her partner how how old was you because like like you're you're like like like that was like the first person like that they used you, Like no, but I publicly and people knew of there's other people, you know, it hasn't been oh he says

this and go to that die. But yeah, I think in terms of like being um, you know, kind of publicly judged in regard to a situation and making it seem like it was my situation is way more than your. You stayed classy too, you could, you could try, but

you know, don't get me wrong. I got I was very mad at first because I was like, my lord and I sued him for saying that once I started hearing they saying this, and he was like, I mean, come on, like you know, like you're gonna sue the MIKEE for saying something you know that don't And I was just like thinking of by like, girl, this could get really ugly, like you know, I ain't about to you know, not even knowing that the ship is way bigger than somebody saying something about you, you know what

I mean. I didn't know the whole full story, but I knew that ship was wrong. But I figured enough to well I was like, excuse me, you know what, I know what it is. God knows what it is. And the only person I was concerned about initially was really Big and talking to Big, you know, which I never really got to do. Because back to that scene when you say he came and he heard about it, that was really what you started talking about that happened.

You know, he was like, what the funking? I'm like, like, you're sucking. But I think it was more so him hearing about the bigger situation. And this is after Hit him Up came out. I noticed before Hit him Up, just before hit out article, it was an article saying that I traded my Yeah, the picture was one thing, but there was an article which Sugar Tupac and Sugar was like, um, I traded in my wedding ring and took him shop and brought him but I bought him

the outfit he had one in the magazine. It was also heart a cool that they were talking about the same stuff. So you're right, it might have been a video somewhere too, but you know, it was like it was just when I've heard about it, and then Big kind of it was right after me coming back from l a experiencing that session with him and like him kind of breaking on me saying I gotta sunk his

dick to get my check. I'm just saying I because you know, I'm not going to rehash it in that sense, because I keep like, yeah, I've talked about it, and I don't you know, but yeah, things happened in a different way where I was like, this isn't what I signed up for, so, you know, and I don't want to do that because I've seen another interview. I'm like,

why did I end up talking about it again? You know, it's I talked about it in my book and I ain't really trying to like, uh shoot on his uh legacy. You know what I'm saying, so to speak in terms of just my personal experience, but you know, I know that, you know, the way I just felt like it was it was definitely some other weird influence, Like I didn't I didn't feel comfortable around him on the strength of knowing anything other than the fact that Big really fucked

with him. That's what I can't say. You feel what I'm saying. You feel me. That's the only reason I was like, and I was happy. That's why I was happy to tell Big Yo, I met your boy pap. If I if I'm trying to funk with this nigga, why am I gonna tell you my husband, who's definitely about not trying to see me with no other nigga.

You know what I'm saying, Like Big, you know, which is why I was so offended when he was had to order to be out with like nigga white people FU killed me if I was trying to you know what I mean. Like, So it was just it was just weird. It was just all very quick and it was just weird, you know. But I think I think the fact that when Um I kind of used you, I think that when against everybody from that on out. Now when uh yea he tried to kind of pull

the same thing, it backfired and not on um. Just now Drake kind of tried to do the same things and it backfired on him. Was because those kind of like cheap shots, you don't supposed to do that, right, certain things like if you're a real guy, you don't you don't involve other people money. My situation is with you, right, That's why Big, I'm not gonna But that's because I did go on the studio. Whether people understand the fact

that I just didn't know, sir. You know, I ain't looking for no sympathy, but I know what it really was. I was down there to get money. Like out, It's okay. I wasn't tripping off of no getting back at I'm trying to make money and I don't want to suck a bit up every day and for free. I'm just

saying that tour over there. It's crazy you mentioned Jay because I was thinking when we were talking about this, how they were able to resolve their ship and look how they grew together in a sense of you know, business that I could just imagine, you know, imagine what that could have been, what they could have done united.

It would have been crazy. But they they they have, they opened up the door to That's what hip hop is about now when we talk about getting it right and getting it straight and getting on the right path. That's the example we use. You know, when he's Wrappers out here beating today and doing all this ratchet, putting guns or down, why you beat? You've seen what happened. But today, sometimes like I feel like that this generation

feels disconnected from that generation. They're like that's some on purpose they felt disconnected because they don't want to feel let right, they don't want to People don't know the

spirit of all of these those things. You know, we just had a conversation that kind of enlightened whoever may not have known about that, and it might be like, oh damn, it was actually a whole spirit in the core of you know, the big impacts relationship, what became of it and what the you know what I mean, there was some type of real spirit inside of that

in the beginning, you know. So I think a lot of people that in terms of speaking on based on that story alone or that example, they don't really understand that it's more just a beef. They don't really understand like what we just talked about, like really history behind. He didn't want to believe you know what I'm saying that I wouldnerstand myself, Like I remember me making L A L A the record to defend Big and bringing

the big seeing it because he genuinely cared. But I think just he was he was because yeah, when I couldn't even picture it, he was like, look, we're not gonna this tim because they accused me of somebody do North and I'm like, nah, be this is how we

used to see them. It's how they're approaching us like nah, I'm like no, nah, and like I've never been before in my life at that time, I mean you already had that in your hand, Like man, if I got to go back there now, this is our mentality, and natis mentality, like you know, to their kids, do that just now for wreck. You know, you put me on the ground, We're gonna pull up. You know that's we didn't have that money. It was straight man, you stick

shift in my life everything is automatic right now. Cheat you know it was stick shifting on every my nigga, you know, to learn how to da at that point you can go to the club, but not knowing that the nitya pull up right. There ain't no texting me back. You're not sitting in so you know that's how we can't. That's that's the ver of that. This game is so like on the flip side, I'm happy, ain't nobody catch me, you know, pulling up catching rack on nobody's video. There's

no social media, you know. You know we start some of the days when we had to sit around fifty left right, guys and guys got ninety niggas for queens. You've got landing niggs from Brooklyn. M P Got thirty niggas from Browns. Building Chain got two hundred niggas. Gust all types of ship they're here at braided ever ships with them strange nigga. Nobody's service, No no around here. You get to the ball, yo, my bitches, not coming to just what are you make straight? Forty dirty days?

You one of you're a large because I love shout out the Red Kwan and met the man that dirt your dirty little fucked up is back up days. I'll see my drant ship on for like eight months because let's set shot. You just wake up and just put almos on the side of your bed. What actually not taking that to the we would be the album comes to the ship that you just ma have stallus cous days.

People bring you your shoes and shirts and ship lined up the days shoes out of the shoes out to make you step In the movie where he had two sides thirties that they had these the gators right and you know the uh what he was there was a twelve, he went thirteens. But you know they probably run a little smaller in the gator joint and the ships were too tight and they ain't had no other options. He cut the back of the shoes and made them basically

made him slides. He cut the back of the n gators and performed on the source of forts like but you couldn't see because the pants was on that. They made him some fucking slidings and cut the whole back out and so trained on the back of on the back shy. Let me just walk like slipper, Let me just back too tight, he moved too much asgott gun up manly. So gonna make your old movie. I'm actually working on it. Yeah, you set up a home movie.

You They don't know that because because you know how I mean, I mean we're talking about because when I see the Death Rowd movie and that's Michelle a. Right, even though Michell l A, it didn't coincide, you know what what in the movie did, but it also was their part of it was just her part of the story.

I didn't expect it. I didn't understand it, but didn't from you as a person who said it very straight and give you my very fortom university and true at the same time, I am working on a biopic, but it's actually a companion to my New York Times best selling biography called Keep the Safe. So I wrote a book so much answered to Biggie's movie and the Funnies.

Shit about that is um. When I wrote my book, the publishers put it out, and you know, I knew about Miss Wallace and the doing the Notorious movie, but it wasn't like I was actively a part of you know, yeah, I went and c J feeling this part and you know, you got a sign for your life, right, But it wasn't like I was. But when they decided to put it out, it was kind of around the song the time that they wanted to put out. I mean that the Notorious movie was coming out, and that was never

my plan when I decided to write a memoir. You feel me, So I kind of felt weird, like I don't want people to think I'm trying to piggyback. So that's why I didn't never really go on a book too. I didn't promote my book because I felt I couldn't get them to change the day. It might have been like a month or a few weeks, you know, later than the movie. But I just felt strange. I was like, people want to clearly think, right, And that's I decided to do the book because I was pregnant and refused

to do a record with the able. I was one at the time. You know, that's the only reason I didn't. The guy was like asking me for years to write a book, and I'm like, okay, that's a cool little couple of hundred thousand, you know. Um, That's why I did it. But when it decided to be when they decided to release it, just so happens. The Toriis movie was coming out a month or two before, and I

was just like, it feels weird. But they was like, well, that's not what we're based on our release on this is in the book world, and this is the window you know how that go, you know, like on the whatever day of the week they put out albums or you know. Um, So that's why I never really haven't leave. My book would have been but it's one of them called favorite movie is supposedly based off of my book. Loosely based on my book because my book kind of ended at me leaving bad Boy, but I got married

after that. I had a kid after that. So there's things that's happened in my life. So obviously I'm gonna, you know, try and put some of those things in there. But it's kind of based on my book, which is my story. But my story isn't based on me and bigs withationship, even though that's the most sensational part of it and there's a huge part of my life and

an important part of my life. But you know, there's ship that I've been before that used to get my be for sneaking out the window to go to somebody's studio that I ain't even you know know, I was gonna be a recording artists, so you know what I used to man niggas when I was a little That's why Dick don't really do ship for me now, like you're wait, wait let me, I don't want to ship.

He's title lady right about wow. I mean when I was like Fabiro Jase seventeen, I will pretty miss you with and only it was just like, oh, I like him, you know. So that's why I asked that, doesn't you it's gonna be yeah, I'm letting my home lose say but you don't right to say why not. I don't right the death around nobody wants to hear. Why you can't say that? You can say you can't, I can't you want to say I'm not like that's the voice shocking up now. I was singing this ship. I was

a maneuver apart. I was trying to make is that that has never been something that has driven me in turn, Like we were just talking about how people like, you know, certain people things coming on to him when we be out, and I'm like, oh my god, why she think you don't like you don't have a label, Like so she wants to suck you because she thinks she's gonna be all. But we know that's kind of like how this culture is a lot. But I'm like, I got that out the way when I was a teenager. I ain't chick

trying to get way. I'm here. Don't tell my mother, don't watching. This is why to hang on. This is why you know that I got your ship. Take ship, Come on, Gary, take a ball. This is great. Let's brisk. Let's for that last one was hard. I'll take one for that. Oh my god, I don't want the one. I don't want them more. That's I'll take one more. I'll do it. I will don't talk for she don't checking. Wow. Yeah,

let me tell you something. Uh actually never got this text before in my life, especially for the last two and a half years. Uh, Elliott Wilson had to text me it's that good interview with Push. Nice. You guys were focused, We were focused. I don't think there are

any more focus than you've ever been. I just think, well, well, you know sometimes you know, like I would like to think, Elliott Wilson, I'll pick you up y and and I will also because I did, I did take that part of be dots when so many people were like push Push your this phenomenal body your work, when I yeah, and everybody asking them about Drake right, funk that let's talk about your body at work. So I'm I'm just sorry, just had a moment clarity, but faith, yes, you've got

to be like the realest woman perfect. Sorry, I'm not sorry for you. I'm sorry for anything that people because no, honestly, I know I get really, I mean, I'm just I'm comfortable. No, no, this to me all the time, I forgot the cameras was there sometimes that you didn't But that's why that's like you like, you just sugned me real quick, like I like, yo, come on, y'all know. But that's why I like, I always defended you with that the picture. It was because I know you like and I know

like your lovable person energy. Your energy is just like I kid you not. I met you in Justice one day and I stood there and I get you a hug or something like, you know how people like you know I'm Spanish, so when we get a breaking you know, we kiss you on the side of your cheek and I guess you must have smelled muslim oil and mad marijuana. He was like, nigga, you got mad We we do? And I was like, yeah, we don you know what

I mean. And I was like, yo, you know, I got you and and we we came out side playing smoke. We gave out side smoked and you were so lovable and I was just like and it made me think back on that picture. I said, that ship it has nothing to do with us. He was that happened in the industry, where with nobody's situation ain't nothing to me,

especially when it's a female too. We know. Looking It's funny because that picture was the very first time I somebody made to sing the picture and thought we had hung out several times. That's the first time I met him, only because Ruck saying, hey, Tutok want to meet you, and you know why, you didn't know how it was a little definitely you could see like I did not do the FIA because I'm like I did. It was high, but it might have been like it was supposed to be.

So somebody asked you something, is it anything if you could do over in in this game, over the one thing that you want to do over um? That's an okair question to say one thing you want to be Because I did a song and it goes um and it's kind of a general just like because you're about to go into your ship. I was just like, yeah, I know, she just throwing off the head. I don't know, but it's you know, it's like okay. In two thousand and five, I came out with my album and Capital.

That was my first deal after I left the bad Boy Just who happened? I got arrested with my ex husband saying I was not quiet. I said nothing, no finished ahead anyway, getting crazy. I'm not even gonna go there. Nothing less. I came out with my album on my new label after leaving Bad Boy, and it was like, okay, this is the first one that you got, but you just got arrested. Even though you're arrested, was a little purported and anyway, people basically say, like, you know, I

had to be a rehab for crack. It was like some real bullshit, Like anyway, the real story, I picked my husband up from the airport and they checked the slug as they found a cigarette case with a joint and and you know something that they said was either ecstasy or cocaine, but they never sent to a laugh. But I happened to be the driver, and I happened to be the one that was a famous person, and he happened to not say, hey, that was just mine.

So I happen to have to go down and it's all good because you know, I'm no But anyway, I still got to be the one to get both of us out for me, so why not. Anyway, the point I'm making this um and they like, and I was like, I got this there, you know, I got this is my first thing. So the hook goes, if I had to do it all again, I wouldn't take away the rain because I know it made me who I am. So basically a lot of ship happened. That's okay, I

don't flow that ship again. Like there's so much stuff that, yeah I had I known, and I wouldn't. But I'm really not mad because even sometimes i'd be like, people think that I'm just like gay. So I guess I am in the way of I don't like nobody to play me, but I'm not like some bits that like to fight, and like all my cousins like all my life.

I know my cousin's want to me all my life, like my grandmother like, so I never was a fighter in terms of I want to fight, but I was in the industry as a that was a new thing. And I'm from the church. I just said I didn't never want nobody's things ship with sweet, so I kind of had some feel like I feel like you were just saying I'm from the church. I'm saying nothing. It's

like knock knock stamp. I don't like. I don't really like the fact that people think that way with me because I'm such as I'm saying the fact that I'm just cool. I really people help people like, oh, shoot, let me connect you. I don't want to know. I don't want to be your nothing to pop be like, why don't you man? I'm know I would connect you with them. I know nothing from it. I don't want that. I just, you know, let me help you out in whatever way I can. But I'm not that person. You

know what I'm saying. I got kids worried out about my letting yours. He's on an artism spectrum, so my energy has to go into a more more productive place and more progressive place, so um, you know. But then I'd be like, I ain't kind of mat that they know, don't fuck me. That ship is not sweet either though, And I will call my motherfucking cousins from a leven grom An avenue and I would want my names from Brooklyn and will be like, no, I know it's you.

I didn't say that with like, we're not wepping. We don't be got no weapons, we don't we got no best. So so le's have another one. I'm gona have another one. Children were talking about another one. Another shot of Tiger you gouts a ridiculous line, I'm a I gotta I gotta go Pepe. Let me go first, the fastest of the fast, mad fast. Oh my god, this is mother come out with leap hang out. No me, I'm going to sleep with Leaves. No, I'm is something. I'm going

to hang out with le like right there. I'm going right there and ship with league r. Come on, leg we haven't see your version of the show. We got it. Yeah, we scorn just now the talk. I'm good water. Did you feel you're honestly, this is the most tiger bone that we've drank in one episode. This is a new model. Yeah, I promise you first this mante this with this many people. There's many people like Brandon. No, he had us slod on that type. Brandon was on the tyger bone. That's

my first job. I don't even know where the first term there was the first shot out of talk about at Night. Yo, you don't remember. Whispering doesn't work. No, we got the right here, but I don't know what it was. You don't remember we was up there with Chico. It was me you Chico Bang wasn't around. It might have even been somebody from Jersey with us, like Marky Branson had us and you said, red Man put you onto the spot. Brad put me on the Branson and

I introduced Branson the Big. I introduced Big Jacob with Juela for the first time. I put five dollars down on the wedding ring man with cheegos, you know, Manny that that's the biggest gets joy from first. And then then Jacob to Julia was like, you know he took to see if Judy you know Tito's tricks. Okay, Tito was ye green letters, you walk in it like I sweep like a few years ago right now, Yeah, to go passed away like yeah, yeah, you got your back,

so hold on, hold on, hold on, Tito passed away. Yeah, yeah, a three years that's fight Biggs to with Tito too, that's why. And then the chips that Manni's man so before Jacob, right yo, that was their hell. You know he had the jewels like that's who you used to go see first. That was be your man right there. Very looks, oh very, I didn't even see that. Nothing. Nothing like a lot of ways. Four joint got more

joints to the little bit horn. It's not a little bit a little bit okay, okay, okay, anyone wants it's just in case you got no more just in kicks. So this is Drake Champs and Drink Champs. We celebrate our legends, we celebrate our people who's been here. And it's just because there is no other platform, other format, any other thing that's like this, because these people they want to write us all every time we get we have a little bit of years. Why do you think

that's only an all culture? Why is that only an all culture? Is that? Is that a hip hop thing? Is it a black and Latin? Because she will say that that's documented, that is it is only a hip hop is documented and hip hop after you have ten years, you are o G and o G is another world. It's like, yeah, I'm saying now they say that is a little world of calling your old dagger nogga respect you because it record said something like that, call you o G. But they don't really mean it. They just

calling you. Oh, you don't really see it. Yeah, that's fact and that's real ship like because we look at it like it's respect, but didn't see I expect you because you're still right here, You're still rocking, You're still yeah, I get that. It's like, no, when people say you

a legend or your things like that. That's kind of niggas always sending you farewell, like every saying no, I don't see degree know a certain word you're using different undersity doesn't mean fail well, no, it doesn't mean people use the way people use you. Gonna fun with you, you legendary. It's two different motherfucking places said, I think about the people use it, this society, you know, having what you do. So he's like, you know, you're calling your old g legend at the same time to get

that record. You come on, how do you because you're a legend. You know, it's kind of like means the same anything. I don't look at it. It's definitely of the same thing. That's what means you have to have established a legas well. It's a good thing, fucking you know what I mean. That means somebody paid attention to certain steps like that because in kind of thing, nigga, Yeah, yeah,

you're so hard for a certain amount of time. Yeah, yeah, that's when you and g because that's what that's supposed to suggest. You can from a certain time here. You may have a legacy of doing something doing something up. But sad as the way people say it that. I think that's what the kids saying to that in the streets. He told right now, I don't think that of me. What I'm saying I was know about. I understand when they they they bigging me up, and I understand when

they come it's like that's what they know. Niggers like like saying you're doing more time to sing? Yeah, saying nigger, you ain't coming out here. You know you're here for this five minutes. Enough cool, you're gonna get the funk about Cool with that, but that's not gonna take that. Sometimes I'm takigg like yeah, like I said, like, yeah, my nigga, you had jews, You're good. Keep me nobody you knew. Ship sunk with you. I'm not expecting about day made me some say with me with me something

just don't like that. What you know what legend legend. I'm seeing people from legend be tweaking back and legend and you know because I was one of those, Like now, I didn't put in that work for that, but I get what people saying. I mean like they're just trying to give you props. But to me, I could be like, no, I think you're saying I'm done. What you gotta think about? Okay, back to on the on the sidell what you said

about how fast if moves. Now for them to say legend that ship for their moves, and yeah, that's what you see. That's why, that's why they say some classic albums is two days right, come no ship, come out Friday and say it's a classic by Sunday. I think album was a classic, but when did it cleared the classic It was not even right like they said Friday's album came out and they said it's a classic by Sunday,

and I said, maybe Sunday of two more years. That's what I can't do it love and I love that album, but I'm just saying that the fact that Timeline and they did that, like Reverdy died wasn't cleared a classif the year two years later, Ill Mattock shook ones if Amos marb album, you know snoop all the times making a classic classic Now you can't judge, can't come on the day, no, you know Wednesday, it's a class run like they run fast, like they did attention to people

at the end of that year. So what they say, you kept my attention for more than it's like it's to be. They're forced to work a lot. Like we used to put out classics like once that six months a year, you know, and made you appreciated artist. You didn't flood them. Now you have to just like gotta do free freest down just for Instagram. That is just like you know, you you you compete, you have to

constantly and it's just different Master. It's more access so it's like whereas it's easier to get your ship heard or whether it becomes super popular or not as easy as so much ship out there, but it's so much more bullshit too. It's like more crowded. So it's like, yea, so how am I such a punt? The ship that's really hot? So what you do? You know what you like? More independent or major? I don't know because I really

I mean you independence, I don't. I mean my last I'm mcking and I I did with Rhino Records, which is a subsidiary of Universal. Okay, it's under Universital Atlantic, but it's still um. They are who acquired the Masters from bad Boy, you know, Puff sold the Masters. He's sold them to Atlantic, so that's they do the box set. Okay, they owe my ship too good? Feeling so good? I go, yeah, taking I gotta do. You got to connect. But uh, you know that was a situation of them acquiring the masses?

What the fun was the what the point I was making the first point what you said versus major? But I gotta mean show with the game. You know what's the crazy about you? You always gonna be a little bro, you know, bro to be like whatever you're gonn always be a little bro. Like that's what I'm doing. Just you gotta be a little bro. I'm not gonna read. Okay, okay, we're doing rose and once I'm talking about you promised us one time. We don't have just yeah, yeah, this

is no, we're quitting. This is a term that he's not gonna say that. He's not gonna say that. I'm gonna say something. That shot and that drink, No, that's a drink because I know that's a shot coming how many? Because you know what people knowing more than anyone. So why you're not worried about me? Are you funked up? My body? So I'm playing now you know what I'm cook Uh, Faith your queen and we want you to recognize. We want you to understand, We want you to know

that you appreciate it over here. Yeah, it's because it's because again I want to reiterate this, our generation, our legacy are people. We forget to pick up our own people. We were big up you know everything else. And you know, I just I just looked at ancestry dot com. And since um, you know, Wakanda came out, excuse me, since Black Panther came out, we all want to go, you know, research our fucking roots. Anybody want to be from a

CALMDA right now is what we gotta do. We gotta continue to pack each other up because to me, to me, it's not about a race. To me, it's not about being black, white, Latino or whatever. To me, it's about being hip hop. Sometimes hip hop is are nationality. Sometimes

hip hop is a coach. If we all sit together and we all love the same artists, that transition, that trans say and transcends, you know, love and general transcend and love love of whatever, your love with someone's spirit, your love of music, your love is when someone's personality, it's love period that transcends. Music plays into that. But that lets you know how much of music, you know, and the positive size of it is a part of love.

You feel me. I'm saying, it's just like all a lot of energy, and I'm not so deep as bitch. I mean, I mean not like that, no blaspheme. I love the Lord. I grew up in church, but it's not so much about the Bible specifically. I'm just like a I like the energy. I like to feel good. I like to make people feel I'm not a negative bitch, I don't you know. I don't want no problems. But don't sunk with me either, though. But I'm just saying, don't trying to play. You can suck with me and

I'll be like, Okay, I have a great day. You know what I mean. But I'm just saying, you know, I can't come out here. I'm like, where you win your crazy? Ya know? Okay? It was like, I love you're playing this. I was listening to mend for the Headlock. It's all right, they don't want it. We got one shot. You know it's gonna be one more. I'm not ship. Let's coold him who even asked for the shot? Finished my story anyway, I'm not I'm scared the horn. This

this this horn works like Sonny's kids don't exist. I went, I went to a friend. I went to be honest. My nig my nigga forty nine, How old are you? Forty nine? That's my boy. He's been going to roast his nineteen he got, he got a side baby, and he just puts taking boat Cabins Fats ship. I'm just don't I'm tying you. Listen, man, you don't get a Cabins Fats when his side ship. I want to see you, got ya, y'all. I'm not just your boy work. I'm gonna It's been a very slight shot and I'm my white.

I maintained that I balanced myself good to that I'm not really usually I'm not ready to say. I'm trying to get to that. Y'all need to nick at the moment for the gotty level, because I'm trying to get to the gotty levels. My best interview you a little bit, a little bit bit. I got drink the last No, I'm drink the last one. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna to you. I'm quite you, absolutely, queen. I love you. Fishy Heppy birthday her birthday just last birthday, shamming. I

see you. Let's still a birthday. I'll be honest. Oh why, I'll be honest. You're stupid shows on jet. We got gifts, Oh yeah, we do, got so we got gifts of let the tiger suttle. Yeah, I gotta let we got got drink chance somebody two shorts from last time. Actually that's not that's that's an extra. I just threw that into you don't have shot for what though, I don't know what. I'm not taking any more shots to that. We did it because because she requested it. Big facts.

I can see this. She sus me to death, but I see it's no way I'm assist. But I'm saying the wh I'm done. It's family right there. That's not supposed to be that. You know what I mean? You know I look out for you all the time. You want me? Okay, okay, let me ask you a question, right me, moving case solo right now, just met okay, so let me ask you a question. It's my birthday. I want to I've just freedom. My son is with his dad for we funck everything. We're like we over

the one like I'm down. Fuck it, I'm down. We rolled like two nas like we just unsolved. We're seeing a notorious movie. We're seeing through a two pat movie. We're seeing, Um, Johnny Depp even got the piece of this. That's crazy. When is the Seas Faith story? We were just talking about that My movie is actually it's not a feature film, but I am in a deal with viacom and to do a picture based on what we

were talking about the Pp on my book. Remember it's based on my book yeah, before you got the peep But anyway, Yeah, it's coming out soon. But I'm just kind of I don't know, I wasn't so sure about it for so long because I'm like, I'm not really pressed like that, you know, but because if it ain't, if they don't really be but yeah, but they ain't tell my story. They told whatever they told. My story is my fucking story. Nobody can't tell my story for me.

But um, my part of my life and story has been depicted in other people's stories, some accurately, some not so accurately. But you know, it's I just was kind of toying with it. But I think it's gonna come out good. You know. I'm like very careful about stuff like that. If it ain't gonna be right, it ain't gonna be right. It's not like that ain't gonna make a difference in my life to do a movie that ain't really completely a true story, just to say I

had a movie on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like, who the cares? If that's the case. I've done the reality show, you know, a long time ago, and you know, like I'm just certain things. I'm just like that don't make sense for me, Like that ain't real ship, Like my real ship is actually right now, let's shot just like this is a little more closer to you know what I mean, God, God, damnit man, this real ship? Man?

You know what, because you know why we get we get to hear the stories from sidelines to Herrod, you know, from you to to see you, you know, first of so beautiful, so coming back to life so put together. Um, we want to pick that up. We want to we want to salute that, We want to you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, that's why I got that. But I don't know. So, um so really, really, so were you after all the things you've done in your life? Really,

what's next? Like, really, what do you want to do next, Like, um, well, music is always going to be a great part of my life. And like you was saying, you still love the game. It's not so much that I've never lost a love for creating great music, whether it's popular, whether niggas is really buying it, Like I really get off. I know I'm good at that ship. I go on the booth and I'm the truth. I'm just saying. I mean, you might not hear it, like somebody's looks like I

never heard this song like Nigi. It was on my couple of independent projects. But you know it's like that's not why I do it. It's like I have a gift for that, but I've also been blessed to understand and use my acumen to do other things, Like you're doing this thing, you know what I'm saying, You extend your life in other ways. Like I was a creator and executive producer of R and B Divas. You know

what I'm saying that right that. You know, although after the first season they kind of shifted the creative spirit of it, but you know it was a not under my belt, you know what I'm saying in that lane, So you know I'm always pitching stuff in the in the TV world too, So you know, I'm just trying to like do the stuff that I can do that makes sense for me, you know what I'm saying, And that of course makes money, but the money has to

make sense, so all money don't make sense. So I know you said that you and Kim patched it up after Big God, but I didn't say that. What I did say was any any ill feelings that I had to Kim or be that what the funk I'm gonna be mad at you for if he's dead. But um, not until I decided to do The King and Our album was I able to. Really, that's so crazy. I just did an interview with Hollywood Unlocked. I don't know

if that's okay to mention that on him. Okay, But I did an interview up that they were talking about the Backboys. I'm getting every the kid stop won't sad, and they was like, you know, we see how puff watch you all back together, And I was like, hold on, let's be clear. You know what I'm saying, Like no, me and Sees was actually sitting on the speaker's in

rehearsal for the Bad Boy Tour. And I had already said I want him on this me and big album that I'm doing, you know, and that was my first I had probably reached out to whoever her manager, and maybe even since the track. I don't even know if I had to track it, but I probably reached out and said I want her on this album and she said yeah, through them, but this is my first time seeing her, and he was like, Yo, they're o him right there. You know. It was really on the humbug.

I was like, oh, shoot, let me go talk to but the cameras is everywhere, so we're catching everything. Meanwhile, the camera ship is some other ship. Everybody ain't know one like they feel the documentary anyway. But somebody thought that Puff brought me and Kim together, and I was like, no, no, shade to Puff and that was a good depiction of it. But no, I already had reached out to Kim because I'm like, this is an important album. If the nigger

was alive, we definitely did an album together. Not have definitely been like Nick and this would be flies we you know, whether he was working on who the funk ever? Like if the bitches dope up saying you know what I mean, like, so it just made sense to me, especially with that song. We both loved him so but it wasn't a tough thing to say you do that, you know what I mean? It was more so me and she sitting on the speaker. I'm like yo, He's like yo, came. I'm like where He's like she right there.

I was like, oh, ship, let me go talk to it. So the camera saw that, so they put it, you know, not saying they made it up and said that in the documented but people took it like that was the moment that, you know, but it wasn't like that. It wasn't more so, that's just the ship that I'm on, you know what I mean. I'm not really tripping like that. Goddamn, I don't want to work. It's like, right now, that's what I've got. Access's coming, She's coming out, alright. I'm sorry,

I'm saying I don't know, I don't don't care. She's coming your ass access before we leave. Okay, what happened? Because it's like a big question. You gott to cover his because it's a big way. Let me, I'm covering mind, it's a big question to drink. What the fuck the big eat ass. Yeah, I get that depends on who. I don't know. He ain't mine your time. I'm bad shem sificating way, that was a pretty question. You look, I listen, man make very bigger real horn, right, I'm

around Jim out too short. It's good. That's got to do it, Jim. I'm I'm just saying I'm season but now but now de rock Also, um, I see a little and he said. He expressed the fact that he didn't want people to celebrate March knife. He wanted people to celebrate BIG's birthday. What days, So he expressed that he said March ninth. He really didn't like people selling

people do that. People feel like, let me say something, okay, because in the movie when you keep referring to the movie, you know that scene where and we saw it in the press when people saw the people celebrating. But to understand like how goold that was and on everything, like when you see Angelo basket and it was like when we rolled from mind You, it wasn't just in bookly we wrote from Frankie Campbell in the city do whatever area? What uh JFK, what is that east side thing? That?

What's that ship? On the East Side. Is that the J afterr JFK after your you know what I'm talking about. And it was Nigga's in every building was a project, whether it was an office building. They was in every window, like and look, you saw my answered the basket, Like I was in the car with Mrs Wallace. She really was sitting there. That's when she realized, I saw it myself.

I was in the car with her, and I was so happy that in that sad moment see her realize how people fused with her son, like it was crazy. That ship was crazy. She you know, she don't know that she was at that time. She didn't realize that that was like, you know, I was in the car, I saw her life. Oh my god, you know we're good, Miss Wallace. She oh my god. Then you really loved like was hip hop, Like you know, she had no idea of just like how big he was to that

extent because that just wants in her life. You know, she don't know nothing about the upbringing of what we came from though, so she was very oblivious to like she never knew he hustled, Like you know that scene in the movie where she was was baking soda and that was that's like, that's that really, she not knowing that was work. He came in and piste off, like, my mom just flushed down that's my week. You know, she just flushed down my work. And she didn't even

know that. Like that's just how oblivious she was to that lifestyle of it. To her, that was just like her Chris, because he did all the ship she wanted her to do. He was smart, even schooling and all that, but you know, he did all a lot of extra ship. And to this day she she don't know about that ship, but she does now, right, But like I saw it, so was like so crazy. That was just a great feliniacy. So so um and this is probably the last question.

I don't want to get too emotional with you. What you guys, and you get you guys gave me wait, wait, exactly what I wanted. But um, one thing that people ask me all the time is, you know, I was very close to Punt. Pun was my guy. God. People always asked me, they said, yo, do you realize how special Punt was from Pun was here? And almost eight times out of ten I said yeah, mm hmm, because I actually did did did I think he was a special as the people. Uh no, I'm sorry. But when

he was alive, I knew who he was. Proba was special to me just as a listener and a creative person. So and you had a personal relationship. So I know that. But back to your question about was that related to beg But I know he was special. I knew he was special just because of the his spirit and how we connected. It wasn't so yeah, Okay, you know I ain't gonna not the first time we actually fucked. Okay, no, no, you want no, no, no, But I'm saying just that word.

The first time we actually, you know, conflated things. I guess I didn't consate because that's like more of a serious marriage. But over it was this bad boy party on Father's Day. That's how I always come back when people say we got married the seven days, No, the funk we did. We met like at this photo shoot, which was like after Mother's Day, which was like May. It might have been even after China's first birthday, which

was April. That's how I know. And then he saw my pictures at the photo shoot and he said, you're coming to the post party, and he had a Father's Day party, which is in June. Right, So that's how I know it was cold coming up to say. I'm saying, I'm sure you would. That's how I count on my ship. Like China isnt April Father's Day, he isn't made June. So he was looking at my pictures. But nonetheless, what the fund was that? Oh we had that party, he said,

And after Big performed, I was in the nord. Everybody's like, Big, why you going? He was like, well he and he grabbed my hand and he went on with me that night and I sucked the ship out of him and we got Larry. But four months lefter you got that, right, that's it. Four week you see, I's gonna tell that the time. You can't sit here too. This is a very dangerous team place anything. Yeah, I swear the guard at legend. I feel like I'll be like, how fine?

I talking to the closest in my life. So like I'm getting here, like it's so they start say it's hibout Derby, we gonna wake up to Bargo to morning when this sh come out. This is just get time. Let me add something to it. Do He sucked the shot out of me too, because you know I'm about to gather. Let me that was good. If Big would be here right now with position, will you be a hip hop if you're in a ship, Because Big was cool like that, like you know, you know, B I

believe you know y'all. You know he didn't have no preference man money. He didn't give a funk out you sound. He was dope. He was dope. It's not like you street niggas, real niggas. You're here though, even with you, I seeing he he was go bigger do that, you know, like he was with a chance to wrapp in Chicago, right he would, Yeah, he was just he was. He was a hip hop that with him, Yeah, fun with him.

He's like, all right, my nigga was something. It might not be his way for music, but B and I funk with him, come on with the smoke like he was that. That's why we like that. That's why I'm like that, you know. I mean, I like that. I embraced everybody Monday. You know, if I vibe to it, to it the music, I might not like. I might like you though I remember that it was cool. It was you don't be tripping these cool he smooth you know, it's because that's that's how we came up, you know

what I mean. It's just that that's the that's the vibe, you know. I mean, we used to see niggas and you know we just rapp us. But I was fans of niggas too, you know what I mean. We see niggas like him, and then it's something I'm like, that's no. You can see all you know this because these niggs that look like you, they come from where I come from. I can recognize the kicks from when I see him like a nigga from where we from, you know what I mean. And that's how we that's how we vibe.

And look at this ship, this ship the last twenty years strong, you know what I mean, like the new generation. You're questioning them from three years on. Damn, Like you know what I'm saying. I'll tell you the um um

just different, crazy ship. UM. For me was to see the test of time and to see that years later, like you know, to see how important Big is and to see like these young kids who who you know, Big Big been going almost twenty years and and they don't you know, but I mean, you know, these these young kids they don't salute them and to see the world just jump on them. Like I love when like a artists say, oh, well big is overrating and it's like, yeah,

a little nigga, you were not there. You're overrated. Now you're not even so that that ship bothers your lifeline. I guess different, nigga. We you know, we could think we want to think about this, but we you know, it's different. Like we just watched the d the Baker

the other day. That's what I was about to say, my dude, Like I watched the whole crowd like just react to her records like so different, Like certain records came on and you see people get out of these seats and I'm just like, damn old is she Like she kept saying like flooded, but I'm like, and you just don't. She was just like putting the mic out

just like the same, like that's the whole song. And she started over saying how long this new generation that like like old people gonna be in there like a long time ago? Why you you you know what I'm trumping you got explaining, Yeah, that's that's rough. Let me just say something. You know, it's rough. It's rough. Come on of my life. Let me just tell you something. Six years of my life, six years straight, from October to March. I had to be in Europe. Right, most

people say, you're you fucking idiot. Europe is fantastic, right, will get that double money. But when you're forced to be there, you don't want to be there. So you gotta be with with in France for Pepper the pew, it's very rough. Listening is smoking, cracking the elevator. He's saying, crack ship you go, My god, damnit? He who listen when you don't want to be somewhere, torture you? You you you. Let's let's name a place in your your life. Right,

let's say the Hampton's fantastic place. You know a white guy there named Fred. Right, let's right, Fred is fantastic. Right. Fred is a great guy. Fred is a great guy. He likes by it works before the fourth He's a good Fred is the guy. But now now you don't want to be with Fred. You want to be home, You really want to be home. But now Fred is the most, He's the most. Would you like this? I

got this and you love Fred? But Fred, I want to go home Fred is the most annoying nig in the world because you have to be there to pay your bills. So a lot of people don't understand that's torture. Like my wife. My wife taught me Paris and I used to go to Paris and like, what the funk am I here for? I don't want to be by Eiffel Tower? What is the Eiffel Tower? That ship is all I don't even know who doesn't make sense to a nigga. I just want bread. But then my wife

she comes out there, She's like, look Theiffel Tower. I'm like, yeahn be honest. She taught me culture. But other than that, he wasn't that. That ship was like corny to us. Like I'm like, I'm going to the beach, and before you you're going going to the beach, funk out didn't Let's be honest. The block Let's rip club was trashed to us. In New York. We didn't do if you went to the strip club, you strip clubs, And we didn't have having the New York in the day. No, no,

we didn't have nothing. We didn't have that. Imagine Big j and Pup has strip clubs back in the day yet about that. You magine the nineties were strip clubs. It wasn't. You had to go to Miami like you had stub Culturemaic City like those ships. Right now, show girls, we just patly get a strip clu. Let me say something. He took me to your strip club. It's called show girls. I've never seen so much bullet holes, like so many bullet holes. Bullet holes they didn't Yeah, they got the

bitches got shot and Sunny d walked in there. He spent eighty dollars and he was the man. This sunny think that's the sunny thing. He but four models eight hours. I said, what the funk? Where are we at? Hangout? Sputt like that and be cool, man yourself food two bullet in it, I can have it. It's cool ticket you know, it's write me, adopt me. It's called n let it or not there you just got. It's like the kindle hood. Do you think you're not gonna get shot?

But listen, you get stabbed and then the shot, but it coming later. I don't think a stab you when it's then there's as a Cuban nigger that comes last, like yeah, I got I got thrown in isn't American? Or who me? You know, I'm Porter Macann. I'm very offensive. So sorry, you're gonna like, yeah, that nigga is that nigga is green, that niggas is funny. That never makes sen Oh he's my guy. Normal, I got you. I'll point, I'll pull your ship. Yeah really no, let's still listen.

Man's let's look at the schedule. This is a beautiful thing. It's no schedule. That's that's exactly is thattly what you gotta do. See, you gotta be. You gotta scene because you cripple you crimple big bang that you said since little seeds crippled me since that day you you don't really have a lot of props in hip hop. You just gotta he was gonna stay you crippled, big paper. How did this happen? He was not supposed to be the driving. They didn't drive. But he was fourteen years old,

no six, I was six. Probably they never drove. That's why he didn't drive. I didn't do that really wrong though. It was just a drive every now and then I drive the publix. I should say sandwiches are amazing. The sub no I lived in Atlanta for like six years year ship. So I got to waters in Miami. Pop. I know about it from Atlanta. It's fantastic, it's amazing, it's amazing, wings cool, but I like convenge yourself. It

sounds like a French restaurant. I don't like islands all the things, but this very hispanic of you to have more black than Italian. Are you black Anton, That's what I heard. I never mean we're not. We're not going to stay until the bottoms ball. That's why the funk we're here. What do you mean I'm sucking on? Take care my birthday? That's something, that's that's something. Um, Happy birthday,

Happy birthday. Let's let's show that we can read your nationalities here and start off what uh the regular ship, Happy birthday to happy days, the one Happy birthday, Happy birdday, you too, you gay us for the last one day. Now let's let's take it to dn cob yon your face, then go be lyon your f then go be by, go be released like happy than black too. Goddamnit, Happy birdcade too, happy day? Happy to say do suding So

it was a don't do the creole versions born. He seems it when he goes to public, that's great, Okay, it's not sex. If you're a man is sexting, you know what I'm saying. If he cute to you and you love him and he's singing, that'ship to you as a woman like yoh my nigga yo, depressive mother. I'm just saying that way about. I'm all in. It's like, but that was real nice of you, Like, actually, thank you because we don't know what language that was itch

creo French creo. Yeah, okay, that's what you can't tell a fair one, you know, that's a scrench nothing. Nothing like right now all the time. You know, you have to learn the spot about just not the one time you will have me on me. I would break it down for you all about how I'm an asking person. This first is my favorite. Oh my god, yes, ship with the Mexican rest. I'm a little science jacks. So I feel like I feel like we covered everything you're doing. Friends. Now,

I want to ask you one more time. Was there anything you could do over? What would you do if you could? If I could, I don't know, I mean maybe I would shoot shut na um. Well, if I could do something over again? What would I do Damn, I don't know. That's a hard question to put into one answer. You know, it's like I would do this, and then I would do that. You know, I can't

single without to one thing. If it's one thing I would do different, it would be fair to say that I would um have been more aware in the beginning of my career instead of thinking about my like thinking off of my emotional coolness and you know, just me. But I don't regret it, though, So I can't even

say that. I can't say that because I don't regret like, oh shoot, I gotta shipped on for this, but I was cool with that, and you know, I'm not mad at the the step that is that my personality has fucker numbers of sales and you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not mad. So I can't say that I would do anything over because if I could, it's really a big question. You fucking can't How about that ship? Your motherfucking can you chance to do it all over? Everything?

I mean, but if I had a chance to do it all over, the ship would have presented itself differently anyway you feel me. It's like, bitch, you could do this again. So what would you do if you could? I couldn't. That ain't how life presents itself. And you know, I know I've always you know, even though in hindsight things was like, damn, that didn't work out right because you didn't look at this. But I've always came from

the right place. And when I do believe, when you're coming from the right place, you can't go wrong, whether someone takes it the right way, whether it ends up the right way. But in my spirit, in my heart, and in my relationship with God, I can't feel wrong about ship that I know. I wasn't coming from a bad place. You feel me, And I'm cool with that. I called the bed at eight o'clock and I feel great about that ship. Tell him one time this thing

was at my house for Thanksgiving. My phone went off at seven five, almost time to go to bed. Come to your phone, like Sherry, time to go to sleep. I was like, seven, we call it, Brandy, this is a right there. She's like, what time is way back sho tripping man me. I'm like, al wants some other ship right now, But I really go to bed eight thirty, wake up at four o'clock, go work, out, get my son up at six, you know what I mean? My

ship is real scheduled. That's why. That's why I'm fun with it like that, like you know, it's a that's all ship. Like we get up and she's like, y'all, I'm gonna be my birthday here, get a flight, nig. It was like she was like a five real quick, who you going out there with? Dolo? I'm like, just see what I can do, okay, And that's like I'm often, you know, granny being the bed. It's a birthday, so she wanted to hang. I'm like, you out for two weeks.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna use the bathroom and I'm gonna take that like a picture. I wanna take a shot. I wanta take a shot. I'm gonna take a shot. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm just going I'm just going. Let me tell y'all something. This is the first time we had a female who came drank and smoke because any accents. Amber amble amber a sister Um came only drink right, Trina came only drink

amber Um, Angelie came only drink Check the footage. I didn't remember that super super c Keep drinking, keep drinking, drink, and because you gotta drink, smoke drinking, she drinks smoke. Wait wait, where is my Instagram? No don't go, No, no, don't go, don't please please please come on. So we're supposed to thank you so much. We're gonna, no little sees. This is third time Jenny Kiss been on here, nineteen hundred times. I'm the best. And let me tell you something.

Anytime you want to promote anything, anytime you want to talk about anything, you time you'll get anything off your chance, this is you. Listen. No, that's your whole So I just got something to say. It's your home. You can always come here because it's the first time artist is running artists media, Thank you, Thank you all for having me. No, we're gonna it's an honor. Take a bit.