Episode 129 w/ Kid 'N Play

in O R What Up is dj e FN? And this is Drink Chas Podcast? Make Up Now now one with me and my partner to the left of me, DyF And we started this podcast we wanted to say that we wanted to salute the legends. There's so many people that after you have ten years, you have you know, fifteen years, you know, twenty years in this game, people want to ride you off and people want to tell you you know, you ain't you, you're old and all that. But that's not what we do here. We do heres.

We want to respect all legends. We want to let these people know we want to get them their flowers where they can smell them. They treat where they can't help them. They thought us where they can think them, and they drink what they can drink them. And today we have people who I felt like they literally raised me from being from Queen's I've made from down the blocking point um from where they from Elmhurst, being b

from Left Franck City. I'm just so honored. I'm went and I've watched House Party again and I just went and just did because you know what, and I forgot how much of a fan like I'm starstruck right now to tell you. And so I would like to welcome to the build the kid. And that's the craziest thing about your stories. I a little, so I a little. By the way, here's the craziest thinking about your story is play You were a wild guy back there, go ahead,

that's what That's what they say. They say you were looked up that hat Patty Mason, Like those were my heroes. Man, I was no head. You know what I'm saying. We didn't have the kind of heroes a lot of cats have today. You know, there was no rap stars. And for my upbringing, you know, my father being out there

and the black exploitation films and all that. I thought that's all it was for us, you know, so that when we're seeing these ghetto celebrity stars like you know what I'm saying, the Benzes and BMW's and all that good stuff, I thought that's all it was for me. Because when Cats was in the school, you know, the fireman and the president of the bank coming talking about how to be successful, I didn't know about what the heck they was about. Talking to me about roaches and

the house, even about no heat. You know, I'm not seeing the mark four, Continental, mark fowards and all of that. So I was stupid man to God be the well we well, we're here. I dragged him out, so kid, because I don't know, I'll follow what you do. And I know you got a close relationship with Bill Moore. Yes, Bill Moore, who was a person idolized people with h Bill Bill Moore. I don't know if I say the name right always, So Bill Moore, we s probation right now. Yeah,

he said what he said. I told him, I said, you say nigga one more time? Are you gonna be able to shade you get one more game. Well, how did you do you speak to him since then? Oh? Yeah, yeah, if we got dinner, like a few weeks back, the Bill tells me, when I'm not around, he's playing with kid and play. Well, yeah, well you celebrated his run to his binger. It's a couple of years back. He's like, I'm the play when you're not a married yea, yeah, yeah,

you're right, chimp. No, no, yeah, he's been he's been a close friend since like since like the mid nineties. Uh. And you know, did you do his original shows we are politically correct? I probably did that about twenty times. And I think I was on the finale episode as well. Uh. Then you know, he got into that trouble with you know, back in the you know, Iraq War days and stuff

like that, you know, not eleven Chip. And then he came back again on HBO and I actually did the Couple of Buddies and mine did the theme music for you know I know that. Yeah, yeah, they switched it up last year for some reason. I don't know. It wasn't broken, but you know, but you know, he's been good to me and and you know, he's one of those guys that over the years, he's kind of taught me a lot. He's probably one of the smartest and not the smartest dude that I know. So I think

we've we've had a positive kind of impact. I've tried to have him enjoy his successful Like honestly, I don't know politics to his show, because like I just I'll just like the smoke weed. I just look at it show like you we smoke pounds. So let me ask you a question, because you guys career, like when I went and I you know, I went and looked at you guys, you were like one of the first transitions, like meaning you guys had an album, oh in the movie just you just started a movie right after that.

You know what's so funny. The only thing I ever wanted was a single for the women. That's all I done. That's just get us. We're good. I was good already, but that was gonna be like yo, you know what I'm saying. I never, in my wild of dreams would be a full album using videos, movies, cartoon series, Marvel comic strip At one time, it was small. What was it? Love? Mattel was talking about the toys at one time. For you know what I'm saying the Saturday Morning Cartoons joint, right,

How I didn't make that transition all. What people don't know is Reggie Hudland, who wrote and directed the original House Party, was a video director back in the days, and he used to chase meet and particularly to chase me down in clubs because he wanted to shoot. I'm using video on us. But we had we had a guy at that time, so we were we were cool. Then one time you stepped to me was like, yo, excuse me, I got a movie script for y'all. He was like, so back then it was in our crew

like me play and the Herbie love Bug producer. It was it was kind of like my job to read stuff because because I couldn't out of Green English literature, you know. So they we got the script and I remember reading it and I remember coming back and telling playing Herbie. I said, you know what, it's like seventy percent there, Like the structure was really strong, the characters

were fleshed out. It just riginal script and it was ridden for you guys because Jeff that now Reggie and then wanted us to do because they was familiar with our videos and stuff. They felt it was a good fit New Line Cinema, Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff because they felt it was a better bad for their to edge their bets. But at the time they were suing Will and Jeff, Mike Knight, Me on My Street and

Jeff and them was like, what are you crazy? Wants to do a movie and you're seeing us, So they weren't with it, but Reggie and Warrenton always wanted us to do already. Originally the conceptually they were always thinking about. Yeah, I mean it was kind of based on childhood friends. And I think even with Groovy chilling all of them, I think they had a place in it as well. So I was got that line before. Force kept saying that this, so I really joined. I felt like it

was seventy percent there. But but and I thought we could bring it the rest of the way, like we could hip hop legitimize it, and and so you know, I urged the you know, our girls, the guys that that want to do it right. So but that's what happened. To his credit, Reggie Huglin, let us do basically what we wanted to. He was he was saying stuff like, look,

here's the structure, here's the format. Now, if there's a better way to say it to get to where we gotta get to, if there's a more hip hop and a legitimate way to say it, do it that way. So he allowed us to do that, and in particular, full force all that stuff that full force did they plade all that stuff, all that I smell, I smell that kick, all that they made up, they all of that stuff. And that's one of the great things that

we liked about Reggie because he let us do our thing. Now, if it came to something really really crucial that he thought was crucial to the to the scene or something like that, maybe even you know, he would he would hold a forward on that. But for the most part, you know, he kind of let us do our thing and let you know, lift the hip hop come out.

And the truth be told, I didn't want to do the movie because at the time we was making crazy money with the music and I felt and you would think apartment but at that time when people would do commercial days of movies, they would say that they great commercial or something that was about reason. At the time,

I felt we were making great money. I'm looking at the history of hip hop in movies because while style and we can't forget tougher than leather, you know what I'm saying, we can't forget to So I'm like it Running Sea can't pull off of a movie who they had everything we are, you know what. I'm trying to be the business minded one. But we had this rule among its called majority rules, and herbiean kid outvoted me. It's the best, the best. You know how many we

wasn't were on us? Just one? Yeah, it's too high. When we did Funhouse, that was us building off the popular that's what we call it. Because the legal reasons, we couldn't call it house party, so that's why we call it. So it couldn't be the legitimate soundtrack of No, we didn't joints on the soundtrack too cold joints for the sound track two we actually they were like competing

against one another at the time. So yeah, but look how long your career, your career you had up a one holum it goes the way that's make that that's career. That's a career like most people. And just to think about it nowadays, nowadays music is so disposable. What's what's a hit? Record today will not be a hit record by the summertime. Remember remember you used to have a hit record, your records to be a hit record at least for a year or two. Now you have a

hit record and you do a music video months. Now you have to do a music video every week. Well, I will say this to to something to think that the artist of today kind of kind of you know, they obviously have a different outlook on it. Um. You know, you know, the mentality back then was like make the joint tour, take some time off and then running back. Nowadays, like you said, maybe because of the music is so disposable. These guys just started hitting and hitting and hitting. You know,

guys like Jay started doing. They were just like a little as long as we're doing hot joints, let's don't let's don't give him a chance to forget about us, you know what I'm saying, Will, Yeah, there's a lot about about the new era of rappers, Uh, the way they approach it that I like, you know what I'm saying. For instance, I would like to hit Yeah. Well, I mean, look I listened to so much new rap. I mean, you know, I mean how you call him a young dug.

He was like, here's the permision. He was back, Yeah, I want to hit it sheets, shotty sheets, you know what I mean. I listened to it. I listened to a lot of cats. I mean obviously you listened to the big ones. You know, we love we love the Drakes, and we love the logics, and we love the Jake Holes and we love Kendricks. Yeah yeah, yeah, and and a lot of you know, underground casting underground, you know, send me stuff all the time. Wait moved him. That's

the way, real quick, it's yours. So people so waiting, so a young artist, they kind of hit me up all the time. And and they say, Yo, man, you want seeing you this joint? Man, Maybe you wudn't play, Maybe you want to jump on them. Maybe you play up another story. May tell that story, man, maybe you would play. Want to jump on the Jorge? I said, Yo, may send send me to join. You know. You know what I'm saying. I'll keep it out. So people that got computer and listening to the joint, man, you know,

the beat is kind of rocking, man, he said. You know, me and my man, we couldn't joint. Dedicated to y'all, guys, you do rhyming or whatever. Didn't think you get to the hook. He goes undertam undertown every day. Don't care what you say. I ain't just the day we tag team bitches. That's that kids, I said this this one. He didn't playing me. I think you just threw that record right now. I said, first of all, ain't no way to play getting on this. That's a non start up.

And I said, that's just even too raw for me. Manage did not did you guys? Do you guys know like how famous that dances like we gotta do it. In about an hour, I heard y'all say that that's that beat in your contract for real. Well, he show people tell if we don't do it, there might be a mutiny. You know. It's so funny because I was thinking, I said, you know, you look at Do Do the Douggie and all these dances coming out, And I got to confess, especially I was with Douggie last night and

he killed the crowd with that. But I remember when the records record came out and the the dance became popular, like oh this is the end of the kid and play kickstep. This is going on replace it, But we're still good. Like, and I'm like, what makes the record, what makes this dance last this long? And it finally hit me it's the only dance out there took two

people exactly. When you want to celebrate something, you need, you need, you whatever, this is the dance you do and many people to people send the videos and you see the videos everybody doing kid and play dude, do hit the strike at the bowling now and the kid play the two change wanted to do? Yeah, still got Ron James lay with two change one name, you know. Yeah, the people just roll. That's yeah, you're just kicking me on my legs. Has one second. Let me interrupt for

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is it? Because so you guys, tetually came out of eighty eight the first came but our first single, last Night, came out and even changed it first whatever in the game. How many years is that? Eight seven, that's almost that's thirty one, thirty years. Let's make some mud. He called years flavorless. Now you guys are on tour with Donna Show with Smokey Robinson. You've never had a reason to be in the room with smoke with Robinson. Let you know how up my life is actually, but we've done that.

You don't know, you know smoke actually I don't even let him through. Welson Day and the Path who were

used to our films. But that's the thing, and I guess it's it's a blessed them because we've been kind of one of those hip hop groups that you can we can we can go on the all rap line up, but we also you can throw us on R and B dudes like you know, we did a show in Atlanta last year with Ron Eisley Keeps You Up and Ever in Champagne King and we were only rappers on so that that's happened a lot over the years that we were all y'all. Y'all can remix it be no ray, Yeah,

but you know how powerful to crossover pillings. I'll never forget when I was a Sunset Bullovard one time it was a restaurant and the one and the only line up Richie and I had to roll up on him and this guy I don't run queens. Richie wouldn't even let me talk because he knew about us and just running us with the Jackson same thing. You don't get away.

Can just say that at the time you see you saying something said Jackson, you know those guys we're not giving people they do We fans too, you know what I'm saying. I mean, Yo, Luther vander All and we've had the honor. But when you go up and you're trying to tell them how much you admire their work, and they're cutting you off because they're telling how much they've enjoyed your work, it's like surreal, Richie. I just roll up on him and said, somebody, yeah you know,

but that's but you know what it is. Yeah, you know, y'll come across people. You have no idea who is a fan of yours. But but players, right, we we usually come out first with you know, with the with the that just rolled up on pieces of a dream Man ran down, you know, we groove for my phone and they're like shock, like yo were music lovers man winning five Old day. He's really I'm old. So what's the best what's the best error in hip hop? To you?

Every we came out him for me? Late eighties? Wait, so you don't go eight eight to uh, you don't go ten years, you just you just went eight eight to ninety two. Then if you if you look at the groups that came out at that time, you know what I'm saying, And that's like and that's like, that's that's primarily East coast, but towards the end, yeah, when the what comes popping off? So I kind of I kind of circle that. It's a question I always needed to know. Was Kane talking about y'all when he said,

who's flat top rules and eighty nine? I don't and I are great friends. Let's never come up. I've never even thought about. But I know what you're saying. I don't like because because you know, you heard the room yea yeah. But when we ask him, you know, but this is this is the thing when when somebody like

he's talking about said he you know. But but the thing with k is and this is what we always I always liked it in mind about him was Kane always appreciated the thrill of the competition, like it wasn't no deef but it's just like, yo, you know, it's almost like the steel shop and steel Man. You know what I'm saying, you want to do? I want to do? And his his his hit top was was a work of art. You know what I'm saying. And I think you know, if that was anything was a friendly competition.

You know mine is probably longer, but his was his was like cloud Cloud three three cussing eyebrow turning a while out that arrows was great. But let me ask you something because since we brought it up being at the West Coast sted Rising around the time you guys are bubbling, and I remember as a fan, I'm listening I got Kid and playing on the mixtape and I'm starting I got n w A Easy, we got a story. So I'm wondering, like, yeah, like how was that because

for me was speaking about the errors. That was the first that some other they talked about in straight out of that don't want to tell you that stories too in the book, but no in w A Man. Interesting thing was I remember being introduced to their music in l A and I could at the time, I could curse with the best of them. When I heard that, I was like, yo, and I'll never forget when we have been on every Public Enemy tour like that was

the best. Always wanted us on his tours. And we had just finished this night and I'm one out, I'm tired, and they come to me with the pitch for the next tour and they got n w A on and I'm like, na, man, I mean that that's just already heard the music. Yeah, there's been much easy. But I got the start. When I came down from the after party, we ready getting into some women the whole night like that. I wanted my famous peinter Colada Virgin Peter Colatta, but

the boss shut down. I felt I could use my name, like, oh man, He's like, I don't care well know who you are. You ain't getting no Peanut colatda. So the promoter comes and says, yo, I got to stay. I said, I'm not doing this thing. I said, you know what, let me be fair. If you get me a Peter Coloido, I'll do the tour. Because I thought that the ball was shut. Darl Brooks G Street Productions comes over with to Peter Colloidas and a half of Peter Coloida and I had to keep my word and we ended up

doing the tour. But the reason why they needed us to be about the reason why they I wanted to keep my word, the reason why they needed us on yourself. Yeah that's for Yeah, because with Public Enemy and m w A on the same tour, they thought it was gonna be crazy about. So that's why we ended up being a part of that history. And we had fun with the guys. A lot of and that this is the thing you know a lot of times you're you're wearing or you know, because you don't know, you don't

know people you know. We didn't know too Short, we didn't know Easy, and then we didn't know Jake, we didn't know Q, we didn't know Yellow and once we got together. First of all, I made the mistake and thought it was two different audiences. I think the people that listen the kid who play couldn't possibly listen. Why would say that to it? But I was I was

so wrong. Is that the same tour that T. K. Kirkland was the host ship bomb every night that it's good man, that's not good hey, but he kept going everyway, listen, this this is true story. He's good people. I don't try to I do statism. It isn't so so. But but my main point was, um, we got to know

one enough to ye. Towards the end of the tour, right at the end of the toward the end we were in um excuse me, we were in Washington and in Philly, and as we as the tour moved east and this is public end me and end up like yeah, yeah, I don't even know. I think by and as the tour got more and more towards the East coast, the west coach with me, because the coach wasn't really up on it yet, so they'll say his name actually Struggle a little bit. And I remember the last couple of shows,

even too short, you're saying struggle, you know. But I remember one night. I remember one night game too too. I had a rough night, as we all do sometimes, and so we're backstage and two short man, that's my man, fifty grand I remember him telling it, saying the t K he said, Man, he said, Man, I might have bombed the night, but nigga, you bombed every night pre consistent. Because you know what, here's here's a piece of history

for you. People could say what they want to say in regards to taking a minute for it to catch you on the New York but one Catch never gets his property. She got that helped out MW n W A A lot um DC, he wrote, the mainstream main I mean you know what I'm saying, regular play and Catch had to give credit to Dr Dre and that whole thing man, because he was doing it, man, and

that helped us. It helped us. You in the n W a fan and as a place and we all we all had a blast and these are some friendships that that we that we we carried, you know to this day. You know what I'm saying. I mean when we were joking around by t K but you know, look he was a part of it as well. Two Short was on that DLC was on that tour. J J Fad was on that tour, um uh and then all other toys we went on. We were doing stuff with Digital Underground when Tupac was a back yeah when

he was Yeah, he was. He was young. And it was funny with Tupac because he wanted to wrap so bad that he really so at the after party one time, we're hanging out men and him I go down, I'm just there for the women. So he wants to get on. Then he wants to get on the mike, so he goes. The DJ goes, yo, we got my man play in the house, play coming up to the booth and wrapped and I'm like, no, I don't want to two You're man going up there. Let's get up there and said, yeah,

I'm not here for that man. Well let's get up there. When the DJ gives you the Mike. You quickly what I'm saying. I mean we were be down, beat downs and all of that. He had the craziest question on yo Yo. He loved him because we go but Yo, he would do anything for Yo Yo. You know what I'm saying. He shout, Now I've seen dope and you you said that g Rapp is from your neighborhood. She was still rappers from Corona, and so you claim him

as being from alm Hurst when I've seen you. You know what got confused because a lot of cats would hang out in the heart because from the girls was at what I'm saying, and some cats didn't want to claim Corona like that because they wanted the girls over that are so sometimes the five line because you had like thirty seventh, thirty fourth try but you know when you looked at the school district or whatever, you would say Corona, but come to find out it was Jackson

Hikay dirty fourth Avenue is because I would say that we considered thirty second Avenue and beyond to be up in Corona. Thirty second, thirty second Avenue. I don't know, it would be like that's us. He considered that. You know, you remember the bomb building. What was that Corona was at the hearse we can set the hearse um. You know who's horse nass, guys, by the word we can said,

it's old school queens. Relax and by the way, hassan, and by the way, kid, I spoke to the Queen's delegation and when we looked at your story, we want you to raise the Bronx out of you want you to just claimed queens. You spoke in the Queen's delegation and I also spoke to the Bronx congregation and they said, it's okay, how about a queen. You want you to

fully claim your bronze. The Bronx raised queens pret queen's paybe yo yo, so o man, I mean you and Salt and Pepper worked at sears together, your sears a robot telephone all down the FI at some point or the first one got So what happened if you guys went to guy fired, you have to stay this this that was in the sand, I mean, I mean it

would have been no story. And Sulton Pepper was there and spend just salt Pepper, just Salt and pepper over Martin station, right, Yeah, I used to work in a gas station Acrose the street from Let's let's just break that down right. Yeah, they've been Pepper worked at Serious together and Martin walked across the street and it has that, it has gas station talent, and we all and we all and we all got down. I mean, can you

imagine that's like a billion one? Like all five of us include heard be like all of us, all of us, that's crazy man. And then y'all actually Chris Tucker and Bernie Mack is like your discovery. I wouldn't I mean, I wouldn't say that. I mean their first movies, Um, you know their first Chris Tucker first movie was was House Party three. Bernie mac first movie was Happen Bernie

Mac was this this is a piece of history. Martin didn't want to be in House Party three and we need huh So anyway, so anyway doing the movies at this point, yes, but we're getting paid. So anyway, I'm like, yo, we need some star power, we need some comedy power in this joint. I went to go see to the premier of Who's the Man the Bernie It's like, yes, I looked at the screen. I said, this could be

Robin Harris's brother, Complexion the whole not. So I told him because he was there, I said, dude, I'm gonna get you in house spot. I'm gonna get it whatever. I said. It was a name sousing something up at New Line the lady. Yeah, yeah, one of the v I p s. And I told him, yeah, you need to get into this needs to happen. Did you need to have the next day, I know, yeah, happy, yeah, yeah.

So it was definitely early career. And I remember I used to see I used to watch Chris Tucker when he came out from Atlanta and watched him do stand up in Hollywood at the Comedy Store in particular, and you know you called me. He said, you trust me on this because we had we were about to shoot this scene the next day. And then he said, yo, man, we ain't got nobody. We ain't got we need the manager for the trip, and we ain't got me got a party man, So we got nobody. He's gonna perform.

And I was like, I was like, I said, I just seen money at the comedy store, man, you know what I'm saying. And CHRISTI just got on stage. So I stepped to him and you know, you know Chris, Chris liked what your doing. So I said, yo, man, come down to the set tomorrow. You know what I'm saying. We go, there's a part for you, man, just do went down there, did the one scene you I mean, stole it with the scene, you know what I mean.

And then his next movie after that was Friday because now new Line was very very familiar with him, and you know, Cube brought on first quantity y'allah. Yeah, I'll tell you. At the same time, yes, from a live doing stand up man, he was, I mean, he was just a young Chris Tucker, like fresh out of Atlanta.

Was electric. He was electric man, and I knew yeah, and that and that goes back to another thing that play was talking about kind of kind of entring toward these house party movies, especially toward the end they we get we get most of the credit, but there was lots of good people and and we wanted that We don't want to you know, we wanted everybody to shine

because then it uplifts the movie. Everybody wins. So when people so when we wanted Martin to come back for the house party together, but you gotta let him win, you know, We told him put full forth in House Party too, because because they because it ain't broke and not not. Why are you? Why are you? Why are you replacing them? Are you taking away? Let's add let's add to it. So what the course of the three

house parties in a movie like Class Act? We were always trying to load up on the talent and if it meant giving people opportunities that hadn't had opportunities before, isn't true. Lebron James is doing a new we makeup House part that's the word, that's the word on word on sreeze. How did that? How does that happening? He has the cool y'all? Man, you mean we we own House Party, but we don't own it, you know what

I'm saying. That's time for it, that's new line. So, I mean, that's obvious the day they've kind of bonded together and to formulation they got good people with it, man, I mean brother Donald Glover's brother Atlanta, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I mean I'm just concerned because it's a different time in this world. You know, when you came up with the House Party, then it was relatable. Everybody knew about the house party, parents going down south,

just that. Look at let's put that where we are today. You know what I'm saying, it's clubs. I was back then. I'm sorry. I was in love with Gina back then. I'm sorry, great kisser, shout out to teacher, But you didn't hit you back out on the market and then you're not gonna lie and play. I ain't gonna lie old and you were knocking down a lot of it just clas I mean that was the word in Queens. I'm saying. They was like yeomen and you were like

the first restless Nights. Thinking about it, he was. He was the first Westley Pip, you know. But that's it. It's dude. This dude was a terror on You don't play for playboyvolgue, but you have. That's why all of them. Yeah, the bad one, that's the one. Yeah. My kid was knocking out those books in school exactly first we Firth started hanging off. I have a big thick glasses like, what's going on there? That class? Yeah yeah, yeah, but that's what he helped me out a lot with that.

You know, he kind of help you get a lot of games because my game was class really really yeah, that's why we do. It's really not not It's funny because when we first got out on the road, we had to share a room together, a low budget situation. They used to call a sit and Clay. They would never get our names right, you know. And he beat some girl and come to the room late, and who wait for the phone to ring because she's supposed to

call him when she got home safely. I'm like, dude, he was one of those Yeah, I was I was talking about and he couldn't go to that without some tea teething dog. Who is this so wird? You know what? Get me out of And you really did good at school? And here like that, And I said, I learned how to talk is from this dude, because school's got done with me, Art Designed Flush and High Hillcrest High Brian

I got kicked out of. But I started hanging out with this guy when I taught him how to cut school the whole nine And we be in his crib and Jeopardy would come on and it was they tell me, yes, but I can. I can be an intelligent funk out of it. You know what I'm saying. Because I used to use all my children to get it. Women, you know what I'm saying, watch the soaps when I cut out being the party. See your girl wanted to get what excuse me? But do you know what happened with

Erica Kane and so on? So today you watch the soaps. Yeah, you know, my little tend to side sliding. Don't try to say some real component ship right here. I know that thing so far was was a way like I used to I want to leave in college back in the days, and so at lunch time I would go to like the student center because that's when the girls were. All the girls with there. You'd be me and like twenty chicks, you know what I mean, watching watching all

my children. So you just you know what I gotta saying. Names only somebody would watch with you, so you don't know, you wouldn't play games, you know. And then Martin, Martin, how do you know about that? A bunch of chicks right? And I was like, damn they got me. Yeah, what like the chicks to look at me like he looks like a cuddler whatever, like inside competition between you and Salt Pepper being that it was like y'all was the

exact opposite version of each other. Never we helped each other a lot, you know what I'm saying there, you know, you know, yeah, I mean that too, because our first thing was really well, I was in the tramp video and then we were in Shake Your Thing, you dance with Shake Your Thing. But the thing was Kid helped with the lyrics, help her reform that I with the outfits and to give the pushing jackets, all of that kind of stuff. So and they helped us. Man, I

mean the girls that are believe me forever. If you look at you look at a lot of early Song and Pepper videos, you see us all up in there, you know, and then what we like the detectives and shake your things and everybody get up. But this is, this is this was the idol maker's way. You know, Herbie. Herbie is conglomerate at that time because it was always the strong helping the week. So so Pepper helped put us on. Then we came and then we put it. You know, we put Karma on. You know, he's started

appearing in on Star. We started dressing videos. Like you know what I'm saying. Dana Dan was in the you know, go back and watch old data dame videos. We all have been there, you know, just just topped for one second because Um plays so nonchalant. He was like he helped with the lyrics. Why do you think back in the days like Big Daddy came with out front right for bis Marck, he would make it be known. I mean easy. He has a line on his lyrics. He

says ice cu right the rhymes that I say. And you just said like, but back then that was not frowned upon. But now you know, I heard you missed Drake earlier. Um, I wouldn't looked at your interviews. You missed Drake a lot like I saw I done that you like drinking, But why do you think it was so Why do both of you guys, not just you, but why do I both of you guys think that it's so frowned upon? Like when a person like Drake

status like today's find upon? Yeah, I mean I don't know what you know what our click our crew was was a community and it was everybody pitching whatever you would say, I don't make his camp sweet team. But what was the intention. The intention was to get the people up and dance. You know what I'm saying. All means necessary. So if you had a clever line or something that's gonna accomplish sitting around and study what I'm saying,

we all have. It's a party in the studio. And the thing I think about back then, you have the juice crew. Yeah, I don't make his crew. You have the boogie down. Everybody had these crews in the first Lady of their cruise and all that stuff. But it was a competition. Iron sharper than Iron. We all wanted to be unique in own way. He was gonna do this, gonna do that. So I think it was the intention. I think the intention today is different. I don't think

it's the same agenda. You know, that's not a bad thing. It's just and to me, I don't I don't. I don't have a problem with cats having ghost writing and stuff like that, man, because you still gotta you still gotta make it sound good. You know, guys, I don't like taking steroids. You canna take. You still gonna work out what's the question, what's the question behind what's the different between the rapper and then see, Yeah, that's what doves into that right there. If you seek you got

to be to write his own thing. But now that's just one thing, brainstorming and loaning a line versus writing the whole song. And I think the other person helped set this straight was Ditty's line, don't worry about be right right right checks you know what I'm saying. Well, we had producers on there because d do and he said he was. I think he was. He was being a marriage he came in. So what happened was he said that every artist stills. He said every artist stole

every single I said, not everybody. He said everybody. He was very adamat looked and I was like, here, but you know, I'm not here as an artist. That I got to remind us of all my hand as an artist. I had to let people speak as a journalist. But ras Cast was there too, a Rascast was like, yo, be he was, we were not every artist has stole it with that. But what I'm not going to allow to you. As I posted that, I read my comments,

which I don't. I don't read my comments because I could be saying, um, but this is the first time I did read my comments, and a lot of people were praying with him, everybody saying everybody's the way he was saying I think it's a matter of semantics to like he's saying, like if you if you borrow anything,

that's the way he's saying you. He's saying anything that you know, standing next to Big made jay Z better and it made Jay which I think there's chats when someone's between the wholesale because somebody really comedy, right, I apologize for comedy. In comedy that is like almost standard, like like almost standards to have a writer run around

with you. Well, not always stand but I mean, well, look if you're if you're at super high levels, you know, like Bill maher like having hard Yeah you you there's no way one man can create working too Yeah yeah, Bill, Bill Maherr has has has writers year round, you know what I'm saying, year around footnot I only the team show, but when he does his live performances, so so they're always giving him fresh new political stuff and whatnot. And and Kevin and I'm sure the same way. He has

a real tight talented cruise. I mean, and and so that's yeah, that's more like that of a show credits with Eddie Murphy and you see how much and even Robert Townsend, all of them, they will click, man, and they all, here's something funny, and they just yea. It's hard to create all that content by yourself. So what happens is you're you're with people that are like minded, you know what I'm saying, like good friends and stop friends the Mooney with Richard pryor you know, good friends

of line like Joe Tommy Davidson. You know what I'm saying. We all want to look that crazy this man, I mean, be around all of them, man, just commedia. It's nothing serious. Everything is a joke. And a lot of times what happens this you you'll have a friend, you know, a friend condic watch your set and watch something child. A lot of times they'll give you what's called a note like hey man, you know you know they joke you do about the such and such at the end, why

don't you say you know? And saying it to make it pop like a little bit more. And we've all been of the mindset like, look, I don't I don't care if it's funny. It's funny, I'll use it if it's gonna make a joke. That's my point in regards to going back to writing lyrics back then, if it's what it's gonna take to get the people to get up and dance. It is that kind of line. Use it that w you just said, nailed that, but use a line that wasn't. This was my ghost riding hervey.

I threw it a little man one of the days. Not this idea for a dope jacket. Put this because that big shout out to run law by the way. But my thing was designing. My thing was just hanging out with death longer than if he if he if you saw our gear and you thought that, and you

thought that she was flying. That was It was like the first designer, like the first like well, you know, it's so funny because I remember having a meeting with Andre Horrell and I was like, yo, let's create beats and let this beat be a beat that represents four

play because that was the name of my joint. And he play for play, and I had the clothing drink for play because when DAP got caught up with that whole Mitch Green and Tyson situation was a watch was passed to me, so you know, all that good stuff. And I still like this right now. But anyway, the interesting thing wasn't about to lose. My train of thought was the fact that all you're going to the new it was stylist if um um. Yeah, it's like the thing,

but my thing. I really didn't lost his Hell yeah, but I couldn't afford it when y'all was doing it. But y'all was doing it up there all the time. To do those pep of jackets, I had to live there at that shop because you know, he had all the Africans in the beast, but that wasn't known for being on time with your gears. So her was like, yo, man, you're gonna have to just stay here all night whatever because we had to get those jackets and the mural.

I did this on the back of that push. I had to be on a plane to get them there out. I think we did that in Florida to push it thing. So technically you can see me on the side the first puff daddy. Oh, I know what I was gonna say. Now. The thing about it, Andre and I we were talking about doing a thing with gear and he's like, play, I really don't see that. Then you got Wu Tang that did it? What was that? And he didn't see the vision at the time. You know what he was

definitely ahead of Curb. He was definitely he had like for example, when when Martin Lawrence was hosting Deaf Deaf Commy jam back those first six first episodes, even when it showing, you know, because you know, I did School of Our Knocks Queen maybe in my partner at the time, but School Knocks Jerry Bonds in Corona. We were partners at the time. I did the designing. We had this idea because African American college line, that allegic line Chris Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Chris Blackstick. So I said, you know, they get all this thing about pe We're going to college, I'm gonna dropout. We know the people they didn't finish school. We need to come up with a line that represents those that are still good even though you didn't go to school. So we said school. We came with the idea on the fifty Night Street Bridge and traffic going into Manhattan, and I said School of Hard Knocks, and we came up with the line of naming all the artists from

Queens and rapids. We knew they didn't finish school, and that's how the thing blew up. And then things was going on crazy in my life I want, and I just gave it. I gave it to say just take it because it's stressing, you know, like when not when I when I because you know, I want to properly always, you know, introduce and you know, be in tune with the artists. So one thing I though this is you're a big glasses guy. I loved I collect glasses and watches.

By the way, manasses. I think this is the havas. Okay, all right, ain't got those his glass his glass almost looking at them, almost like yo. One thing you can tell a look at getting money. But the type of glasses he got. The fisher, he had a bad cardiers. I couldn't find him. You know. I was like, y'all this cardiers and I said, hold on, let me try to find him. And I couldn't find him. I said, he's a fisher. When I can't find your glasses, I know you you dig deep. I'm a glasses guy. I

was so sorry. I was. I was much more of a sneakerhead. I mean, I still I still have to a certain okay you know what I'm saying, but not like bringing the ponies out now. I shot one of the one and hold someone just told me when ponies, I remember someone just took stands for New York and pony it's p O. It's an acronym. The N stands for New York. And someone just told me in old

school play handball. Yeah yeah, So let me ask you all the things from being a rapp But even though you you you touched the comedian world, what made you say I'm gonna do the standard stand us boughted the roughest of the comedian, like why wouldn't you go straight to your HBO stand up special? Well, this is the thing, um, A backstory is I was actually hosting a TV show,

a syndicated TV show called Your Big Break. It was actually like the precursor remember, precursor to American Idol, Like you know, if you can sing, you know you you sing a share song, but we're gonna put you in one of share His gowns and dress up a set all losing that right. So it was a show I showed. I hosted for a year, um and but then I

got fired almost like yeah, I got fired. I got I got fired from after the first year was the Dick Clark Show, and they sent they fired me by by letter and then I end up getting replaced by Alfonso Ribero, right though, the only black guy whiter than me, you know what. Right, So, so I was like out of work. It was like it was like nine, you know, I was. I was literally girls. You know, Joe's a time release, right, so you know I was. I was, you know, kidn't played. Was was cold at the time.

You know what I'm saying. I was on the left coast, he was, he was back east. I wasn't really I wasn't really doing anything I need. I needed. I needed a spark and with two good friends of mine, Tommy Davidson and Bill Maher, that urged me to go in to stand up. And actually Bill Moore brought me on the Oprah Winfrey Show one of the first times I ever did stand up because it was a show called

Funny People and who they Think are funny? So you had dial, Hughesley brought on some more, John Stewart brought on Lewis Black, and Bill Moore brought me on and said, hey man, this is one of the funniest guys I know. And that out a so that that's kind of how I got started. But what I found out ultimately was having been a rapper really helped prepare me for stand up that well, it's well, first of all, you already know where your way around the stage. I mean, any

comedian will tell you. Man, half the battle is just feeling comfortable on stage and comfortable in front of strangers and comfortable in front of fans. Man, we had already done that. We would perform the front of hundreds of thousands of people. You just got to make sure that the maternity was tight. That it's unique to you and to me. If you're talking about you know, Tommy, Tommy and Bill mar you know, two of the greats, and

they literally kind of forced me. I mean if you talk about if you talk about comedian idols, I mean, you know everybody, the Richard proect. Tommy is one of the He's so underrated. He's one of the greatest of all times. And you know, we're a lot of like, you know, kind of manning and over you know what I mean, real quick off the top and stuff like that. So he was a great, great influence. And and you know, and Bill, somebody as as great as Bill was behind that.

So um, it felt comfortable like almost off the rip. You know what I'm saying. And what did you think when you when when he said to you, I was an interesting piece of news. He didn't come get at me like yo playing I'm gonna do comedy. I just heard he was doing comedy. I just know how much he makes me laugh. I just hope it translated to huge your audiences. But no, I was good with it. I heard he was like Bigfoot. There were sightings of him. He's here's this club, He's only did you see him on?

I did see um when he hosted that show you know that? But I got a question. Do you anybody remember when Will Smith tried to do stand up? Oh? I don't remember. It was like a word show about bombing because he did a joke about it. Supposed Jesus came out with sneakers and they were calling Jesus too. So you know, I don't never forget that man. But yeah, the best of what kids doing his thing? But what

was your worst night? Wow? Alright, you're gonna love this one, right, T King's gonna love this one because I died Royal Okay, so I was in to rock Arkansas. It's gonna be Arkansas, right, Bill Clinton and I'm crushing it, dude. I'm crushing it Thursday and crushing Friday, crushing it. And back then I used to bring our DJ DJ Whiz I used to bring in with me. You know, I almost like on this kick of pre stuff. You know, play play up stuff. We'll get to that later. Yeah, yeah, play play the

comedians on, playing me on whatever kind. So Whis would come with me. So where's with me that weekend? So I'm feeling myself, man, Saturday? Now, I said, Minimo, try this brand new jaw. I'm feelings. I was watching TV or in the room probably getting Yeah, I got cash because I was doing so much exact I'm so um. I said, all right, I'm gonna pick ups pick spot right in the middle, so I'll come out. I'm crushing him. So now is the time to do the bread new joke.

So I said, hey, man, mind you we're in Little Rock, Arkansas. I said, Man, I was watching a TV today. Now, I was watching this religious program. Man. I don't know if you guys are into a boy bands at all, but you know they got a relig just boy band out. Man heard these guys man. Then their first record was called Jesus he's so neat. They put nails through his arms and nails through his feet, and I just laid

it like jail. So the very was like the and the audience went silent, and I looked down now and I can look. I looked out in the corner of my eye, and I can see Whiz whis was down below. Whiz looked at me and said, why did you do that? We were we kill that. This is the words I every week, and I never ever ever told that joke again. I just tell you just to be a comedian. That's how you have to learn. If the joke is good, we can go that afternoon, I said, I'm winning with

this still silence. Oh now, now now it's like it's like y'all lives had did at three sixty. Because in the beginning, um, I think you self call yourself a nerd or something like that, and then you were like the cool kid. You were a street kid. You actually wanted to pursue you know, the street like even more than you remember back then when you went to jail because your celebrity and the talk come out. You know

what I'm saying. That was a stupidity then, you know, but your lives is like three sixty now because he got something called kid in Blaze. What you want your own joint or you don't know, I'm gonna because just just just you know, doesn't doesn't work like where you got something called kid in blade and you are actually a born again Christian believer? Now, how did how did that happen for you? For for people that just to

cut right to the chase? Man, when you just get everything you want, did you think it's going to be fulfilling, going to be happy? You know who my ex wife is and homes and calls? Who at all of that good stuff had y'all coming to America? Come on, mcdown, Lisa McDowell. But when you have everything, I mean everything, I mean, come on, I wanted to be you. He's buying benches her, He's doing benches and BMW's and portions.

I'm like, I gotta go bigger than these cats. What do I Because it's like y'all do a Delorian what I'm saying. So I've got trying to be back to the feature of ships choosing a lot of money out life, yo yo yo. He was, he was doing the w and it just got to the point where it's like, yo, this isn't doing it. This is like I'm tormented. It's like, what more do I need to do? Whatever? And I'm seeing you gotta cross into that dark side type stuff. Now some people call a deal with naughty, making deals

down to use IM so scared. I was like, damn. I was like, I gotta be kids. I did to come here because I smoke weed on every episode. So I was like, but then when you didn't decline and you just came, I said, damn, he's the You're the cool like turned over questions. But you know there's some people that take it too far. They'd be like, I mean I went through that stage too, Like what I'm dinant mean you know what I'm saying. You couldn't like he's Irish and Jamaican, like both of his side a

little bit. You know what's interested in? We have a we have a relationship most don't have. It's like there was no casting call for a kid, there was no casting call for a play. We can finish each other's sentences. We can if I'm not able to be on the call for a business deal of vice versa. Just as long as we had a conversation about it right to We're good. So it's like, you know, it's just natural,

it's organic type thing. I mean, it ain't perfect. We go we the odd company, you know what I'm saying, especially now, but it's like it's all good, and it's like for me, I just want people to beat them albs man, because that's where we gotta If it's gonna be any kind of change, you gotta start from that. It just can't be like trying to be something you're not. But spark it up man, Like yeah, um, they should

let me know before you guys. One thing that I definitely want to know because and I was trying to bring it up before, is that when you guys did the movie stuff, if there's anything that artists could learn today the way you guys structured those situations that do you do you do you see something from those movies today? Oh yeah, I mean people you know, we might have took them for first, you got sixty and he got thirty. No,

I got thirty, got I got dirty? I think because I literally knew we were like on on on the clock. So if I had a little more screen time than him, that means I probably got paid like like a little bit more. But that was that was that top that out like thirty g s. Nobody was getting. Nobody got but but where they but where they didn't have an option for say Blue now we gotta stick you up. And I think it's because of our situation that a lot of companies said, no, we will never let that

happen again. We are we want to make everything. If you do movies, your images right over these. They didn't have that with us, so and I think that that Fredmno, good friend, match Select Records, great guy, but he let that slip through the cracks, and I think he kicks himself for not, you know, because no one thought whatever happened? But did you guys got production credits in the In the following films, it grew a lot of stuff grew

eventually because the situations where people can learn from those situations. Yeah, I would say this. I would say this, the type of input that that we had and and thank thankfully that director, the directors and the producers gave us would be considered producing today, but were not. You described, Yeah, you know he's finding Bernie Man writing, you know, remaking the thing, you know, writing all the raps. But that's

producing today, ain't that producing? So no, know what you're worth, Know what talents you're bringing to the table because a lot of the things that that we did and they took for granted. Look it all came out and and thirty years later we still here, you know, doing our things. But just know exactly what these the details are of what you're expected because that, yeah, what we were doing back then, that's that's production about that. Want to ask

him about now when y'all did that's DJ? What y'all did that Martin? Um? Um he did. He was a DJ for Martin's death jam thing but prior to that. But when it goes more hear you did the thing. But that's kicking reason why when it goes no, no, no, let me tell you what happened. We did a couple of different verses. The one like the first couple of years, that's me sounded like capri, that's me, gonna mind you know I came there to do it. Now, Yeah, yeah, that was me, And I apologize comp I should have

you know, I should have called to up. But that's what but that's what but then don't But it's like finding out But let me tell you what happened. You know, honestly, out of respect for Caprix, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't sample him. We didn't sample him off the top, so and I knew I could imitate it. And second but then like after the second year, I was like, name, just want to go go, go puck a free voice. So that's probably when you were probably every one of

them season when we just slipped them back in there. Man, so jet separation with because that's how dude first tour. He'll tell you this that he ever ever did was with us, ever ever did, because it was the time we said, yo, I wanted to DJs WHI and we tell abody living up to crowd the whole nine. But the only thing about him he refused to fly. Yeah, he's the John Madden of DJs. That's so much. DJ

College was like that, that's flying out right. I was tempted, But I don't think me being a part of the story, me being a part of a group, right, even though even though it's it's too us right, I'm componing Oriegi. You guys a kid and play. It's kind of hard to stick stick together when you grow apart. But you, you're still the same kids that you remember, Like how what is the worst worst part of kids? And play as your relationship as famous people because you're our friends.

Prior to that, I think there's only there's only want to think of one. But that's not bad. It's not bad. I don't be talking about the airport. What happened to the airport? I think separate sep. I'm thinking about the time because if you were look at some of the times we started blowing up. We started doing interviews on you know, Fish Fight Coming Down and BT shows and all this stuff, and all of a sudden, this guy

starts wearing like he's right now dark shades. Everybody and the crew was like, yeah, we're over kid in the dark ship and you know, even in the light. You know what you said, that was a little odd. It was like a sign of black, like he was going on, Hollywood, you forgot this, this what happened we were flying back.

I think that's what you're saying. Well in AFOL he was liked be like, yo, maybe that should look back and I'm like, okay, we're off, and it was like, you know, I don't want to share a thing with him, nor get like that. But it's like, dude, which you

forgot distress. That's what has When he was flying back to New York, I think from Los Angeles, man of fact and Jeff Christie was with a shout out to Jeff Christie and for something man I felt with a specific specific thing was but we know we was, we was, we were butting hands. I think we were waiting on the car and the car was coming and you said you gotta go here, and then this and that and

you know what I'm saying. You don't remember we got into it and then and then you know, we had to get separated by Jeff Christie and you remember they were they were like fans like, oh my god, can you play your face? You don't believe that the black down that was like only time I could think of that was like a million freaking years ago. Yeah. But let me to tell you something. Let me ask you all a question, Right, do you realize how famous y'all? All?

Though I don't, you don't And I'm just I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you what I think you want to hear. I really don't. And I'm kind of glad for that because you know, get the ego and

all of that kind of stuff like that. But as just now, kind of recently, like last night, I was at the Black X, I mean Radio one b Expo, shoutout to Charisse Ma Malachi, and I did what I had to do, premiering a documentary about dancers and hip hop and all, and I go to hang out and the guy grabbed me in a yoke and won't let me go for like three minutes. It's Alan Iverson's just talking about how much an influence of my character men on him on being cool, and then other people in

the business just coming going y'all. And it's funny because back then cats wouldn't tell you that, you know how we all did. And now as we gotten older and humble and appreciate life more, we come up to each other and say, Yo, you need to know what this meant to me. You know what I'm saying. So now I'm beginning to get it. Like I wasn't big on legend and icon and all that stuff. People, I tell

him that I'm still working on it. Definitely pioneers, but like last night, I'm with Grandmaster Casts, and I'm with Cast that's living legend. But That's what drink champters about. And I just want to reiterate that that's that's what I saw that there was a lack of I feel like when the person when a person has ten, twelve, fifteen years in this game, we write them all as opposed to with rock and roll and and just celebrate them. They celebrate them, and I think all culture has to

change change that. That's why a lot of people come to me and they want me to interview new artists about this artists because I just want to. I feel like they got the regular ratings about this industry. Man is one where ages m because you don't do it at the colors, you know, John, But when it comes to this, it's like wow, like really and it should be already in ages and doesn't go together to your point.

I look, you know the young rappers they rolled upon us and they show us mad love if he either where if we're together or he's aout. All of them got me and they love and we appreciate it because but I just try to We just try to tell them to say, hey, man, we are are you know, our participation, you know, you know our work is kind of done, you know, we're either yeah, we're on that wall to whever you you know, wherever you want to put us. Now you got the ball, you got the bag,

Now you got the football. What you're gonna do with You're gonna fumbling at the one or you untill gonna bears said. Okay, you said something that just bother me. You just said they don't have to and the thing about it as Kid, that's that's something that we got to take out of the culture. I think they should

have to. I think that if if if a person is a two man group and a person has not reached the accomplishment of accolades, I think they should they should be asking you the time to throw the roses at your feet with time. We really got a guy for the show, is going for the show because we

got you. I want to take this time personally on behalf of Kid and I to thank you because you're going through some things, you know how it goes in this joint of course, and I'm hearing this thing about Nori and his podcast, and I didn't know the name of it, but this thing has become the talk man. I mean on some breakfast club maybe hind all this and congratulations to y'all too really and you don't let no you look good. Seriously, man, we want because we

just realized that this is the last thing. We realized that hip hop has to have a platform to salute hip hop. You know what I'm saying at the end of the day, like our culture has to continue. And the older we get in this game, it should be like the tribes in Africa. The older you get, the more the more revere should you should be throwing. So you know, I know, we gotta rush because you guys are doing today. You got to make some noos. Motherfucker kids were quick jo. We love, we love, we love

watching y'all. Advice to shout out to week no not big shout out man, we love, we love the show. Keep doing what you're doing now that we get to talk to you about it, and really they need to the whole mindset behind it, and it's perfect is right on time you're teaching the children, that's right anytime. So we just get to a pictures Thank you so much if you're apologize, okay, yeah, picture picture picture first. Who are you up? Dre Okay,