Episode 127 w/ Matt Barnes

Drink Champs Happy Hour makes up. I used to give a long intro, and you know we wild out boy. We understand that we came a little late, so we got you know, use your time, precious. So we're gonna get straight into it right. The million question that everybody wants to know NBA playing smoke, I can't talk about. But I've seen like um, like you know, when people get hurt, they prescribed like pails and all that ship And when like I was just I had had injured my um. I was in my knee area earlier and

I smoked the blunt. I just totally forgot about it, like it was just what do you feel about that? I think you're right. I mean, they don't care if we, you know, get funked up on alcohol and then you know, and then that prescription businesses of being down the industry, you know what I mean. So I think that's what it is. But I mean, knowing that the fifteen years in the NBA, and all it took for me was a joint. I didn't need none of the other bullshit. So I just smoked me and joint at the end

of the night would be fine. And he stayed on probation. He was like the criminal of the NBA. He stayed on probation. How was that? Like? How was that? How many people? I mean, you just gotta you know, you just gotta be I played a long time and learned from my vets. You know, you just gotta be able maneuver the system. Like I said, I'm not somebody's gonna be popping pills and drinking hole cousin. I'm gonna drink on occasions, but you know me, I'm a I'm a

I'm a medicator, you know what I mean. So I just you don't found ways to make it work. That says you are Gucci down to the socks. Yeah, I was saying everything you got on, Like, what's going on? It's a fetish? Okay. They told me when I when your name was brought up, they said, she's run that way? Is that the truth? She don't run any she might walk out. I'm not. I'm some content. So I mean I'm respecting. I'm i gonna say I run like nobody really runs l a so but I'm loved. I got

I got a little pool when you're rady Jack? What was what was that from him? Went straightforward? What happened? Let's go. So it was an old school concert and um for people that don't know, I'm sure nice niece for this city. Thank you. So it was like one of those concerts like Snoop was there, Warren was there, like it was like people from death Row that was in. I was like really excited to see him. So we

were walking in the hallway and he bought me. So he was like this you saw me and the spirit left my body because I'm like, as you're seeing one wish like you're an RB sing you ain't even supposed to be. First of all, like you ain't seen no hook on none of this ship. Like you know what I'm saying, Like knew each other before. Yeah, so it wasn't like he didn't know that was your first No, so he just got like, you know, real tough. And I guess he thought Whack one hundred was somebody and

it was gonna do something. And Wax said, you probab used to gonna apologize, and Jam you know, was there. Jams, you know he was there again, was like, j you might need to go and apologize. This is not gonna end. Well. Now, the fight between him and Badass had nothing to do with him, because I would have got somebody that could beat him up to beat up to fight ray J.

So that had nothing to do with me. After Black Tone rectified it and made him I was done so Badass and ray J had that beef from back with Sugar. You know that's an old DEATHROL ship. Ye. Are you involved from this Depthrol thing as well? No, it's not gonna put the splain us for like people who don't know like explain year involvement. I mean, just really produce, you know what I mean. I saw a vision you know probably know I linked up about five years ago.

I'm been rocking ever since. And first, yeah, yeah, the first thing I ever said is man, Sugar is the only one that hasn't told his story yet everyone has told it. And this is before I knew, you know, just before I knew Straight Out of Comptin was even coming out. I'm just like, you know, no one's heart from Sugar, no, no one's hold from child. I just

kept turning, you know ingraining that in her head. And then you know, Straight Out of Complict came mount and Tupac came out, and all these other movies came out, and just like you know, Sugar was the mastermind, really, you know, behind this whole death Row movement and his story with you know, it's compelling and still going on and you're raised it born from California, Y, Sacramento, and since I was seventeen t c l A. So I just you know, I grew up around you know, California music.

My whole I'm silt went through the Tupart you know, you'll got to you next. It was I don't know, I had mixed feelings. You know, obviously I still even watching me, I got chills in some parts. And we're still excited to see but look like him. But to me, I just wanted to know some you know, more about what I didn't know, you know, another day and I still perfect. Overall, I liked it. I said, like I wanted to get more information that I didn't already know

about it, you know what I mean. But it was a cool project. Now what is this death row thing? Is this going through stars? Is that just in the procest? Yeah? So I looked up with to the creative producers of Stars Um and he loved the pitch, loved the project so where he said, it's gonna be the next week. It's gonna be a serious like not like a power type,

so we'll be able to really you know. And then I explained to her because she gets into feelings sometimes when she hears stuff about Sugar, it's always bad, and I try to tell her like, unless you have a larger platform, you have to tell people what they are, you know, basically, like Sugar is known for being the larger than life Doug or whatever, whether whate episode of maybe.

So you know my idea when I pitched, you know, I was trying to talk to her about was, you know, if we do a series that we can go into every character and develop the character and show with the good bad and every good size you know, everybody. I thought of that. I thought of that up with me and that to do it with that roll, that's you know what made me think of it was I'm a big Norcos fan and it's funked up as football was

and blowing up buildings and killing kids. They didn't had enough time to tell you humanizing the form even at some point. And I think you know she wasn't killing like that in the fense. But if you're able to develop this whole story, you'll be able to tell the good winto bad. Right, And you're right because they got even I think she is even in the baby like you're right? Like is there ever gonna be a night movie?

Does that make more sense? Like as opposed to like death because you know, really can't tell the death rail story in two hours and based on a lot. Okay, the people's truths that they told in their movie. Is that where you felt about the two parts because people told their truths like that, that was their truth. Michelle had her truth. Um this Eli Hutton then only knew two pop from seventy five days he had his truth. You know, I felt like John. I felt like John

Singleton should have kept that. You know, John talked about it, talked Pocket. You can't talk to John Singleton without John even crying. Like if you say something about Pocket, John gets emotional and so like he was like, you know, I think else he did it for the wrong reason. I don't feel like Elt did it to glorified pop. I just felt like, you know, they did a biggie movie. I'm gonna do a pop movie, Like what do you know about pop? Besides the ship that you googled? You

know what I'm saying. You could google that and I could have did that on l time. So you was really serious when you said he really didn't know like that, because I mean about I mean everybody. You know, that's what when you know what people doing, you know, and they put you in heaven and you know you're getting where people going to hell, but they're like, oh, he's up in heaven. Look at you know he So it was like ready, It's just like how you go through

a bad persons. Mutable got him good God, you're looking down looking um. So I'm just saying, like, you know, when a person dies you can't verified. So I can say, like, you know, like my grandm I'm gonna use my grandmother, my grandmother, so I can tell you a whole bunch of stories about my grandmother. She's not here to say if it was true or not. That's how I feel

about the super Mom. That's how I felt. And I felt like everybody does something and they always say, you know, focus on the negative for shild but they don't remember, like there's certain people like I remember Shell was paying people. People with mothers was losing their houses and she would paid their houses off. You know, it's very interested to me, right, it's just the most interesting thing about like the children.

And I hear other people talk about child it's always dazz in corrus because dads, I think that it doesn't like always just something amazing about sil and it's like crazy, like but remember who was the who was the strongest person in the in the dog town. It was corrupt and corrupt Carrie dads through the whole fucking you know, so you know you don't like what I'm saying you and one of them doesn't. That's to me, I felt like, you know, like you know, master p only gay silks choker,

reckon dear because that was his brother. He knows. Still couldn't wrap it, I felt, So I felt like she couldn't have a shot. So still like you know, because Dad's was Snoop's cousin. They was like, come on, Dad's you know, That's how I felt. And then so niggas was working with their feelings like these hosses for everybody. So you're mad at Ship because he was sucking a

bit shook. Ship would get in your head if you let him, you know, So you gotta you can't, like, don't look them straight in the eyes and don't feed him at the midnight because the motherfucker's don't get you. So you know, I'm personally do to you what you allow them. So that's the whole thing with Should. So people can say Should get a lot of Ship, but he made a lot of motherfucker's rich. He well, actually, when you think about it, the way death Row was

was structure for a black company. Hip hop. Own company was one of the most brilliant things. They were some of some of the most records ever, you know what I'm saying, And they will never have another era like that. So he has to be. He has to. He's remember, we can't die. You gotta think in the time span two is only two years, maybe it seemed like it

was a ten year process. That the amount of projects, and you know, everybody on death Row had something out, like they weren't shelfing people like like Baby assigned people and have them sitting on the shelf, you know, you know, paying the people. But I can't. But well, each artist had a project. Whether it blew up, everybody was working. And I like the fact that he got people local people because she knows everybody like him and Mary Jake Blige are good friends. Like. But he got duel to

single on Tupac ship. He got you know what late he could have went out, but everybody it was an in house thing. He didn't go outside to grab anybody if it was somebody outside like you know, of course, you know from you know, his whole Oakland roots. He reached out to Richie rich He reached out to you know the you know, you know, you know, the people

the people that did the old eyes on me. So that's something about Should that like I admire because he took care and I think Should took care of too many people, and he got himself into got itself in deep. You know what I'm saying, because you only you know what I'm saying. Like, you know how niggas get richingly, you know, you buy homies. You know what I'm saying. But I just felt like he that's that was his whole downfall, just not leaving the hood, just not you know, Yeah,

sometimes you gotta you gotta out grow the hood. Like I don't care how how much you want to keep it real, the certain dogs, you gotta walk in by softly, you know what I'm saying, no matter how much you want to hold the homie down or whatever. But what was your what was your favorite team you played for ear to the two thousand seven Warriors the first time the we be League team, so that was yeah, the boy was the Warriors. Yeah, I mean the Lakers are

my favorite team all time, still my favorite team. I love when I was there, you know, Kobe and then, but the favorite team I played on was definitely that Warrior team. Do you think, um, I'm surprised you said the Wards, But do you think the NBA is too so off? Like remember like I mean that and now I was getting suspended for I got before I retired, I was getting suspended two games for pushing people. You know, pushing. That's our cutting out of rap, that's a game suspension.

The back of the day used to really be scrapping it. It would just be like hockey, so down for a second and then you know, come back in the game. But it's different. But I understand where the NBA is trying to go. The obviously trying to clean out their image and they want to people score a lot of points, you know me, So that takes away from the defense and the physicality of the game. So you just gotta adapt and get left behind. And you know, I'm glad

that you know, I had my run. When I had it, I wish it could have been a little bit more physical. I girl watching you know, the Pistons and the Lakers and the Boston Celtics and the Bulls back in the eighties. You know, that's what I wanted. You know, I was hoping it wouldn't be like when I got there. But it was cool, white lasting. But it's definitely a lot softer now. But like I said, I understand what they're

trying to take the league. So who was the person that you played against and you was like you never wanted to play against him, like it was hard. It wasn't that I never wanted to play against because I always wanted to play the best because I was the one every night that I had to guard the best player. So I was carl Lebron, Kobe, k d you know whoever. Mellow. You know you would like the renegade. Yeah, I love

that part. So I wasn't that when I didn't want to play against Like the better you were, the more I wanted to play against you. But I would probably say the coldest dude I played was definitely Kobe Monster Kobe Kobe. Okay, and did you played what's Kobe too? Women against him? So you're saying you're picking up Wow,

that's that's It's a different beast now now. Like I heard something like about Tom Brady, like how he trained with his people as Kobe like that, I mean, I want to I think I he does a misconception of him because if he doesn't sunk with you, he's not really gonna fuck with you. But if he opens up, he's cool, you know what I mean. There was several times where I wan drive out to Orange County, you know,

for the night and work out with him. The next day we hit the track, get the weight room, workout, you know. So when he and him, he and I definitely minded. But um as far as other people, I'm not sure. I know. Now he's kind of mentoring some of the younger guys, which I like seeing because I mean, his knowledge, you know, it's his understanding of the game is endless. All right, We're gonna keep it all the

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chance to meet him, it was really cool. Like I did tours when people I hate it, Like I'm not gonna because I think when you're a team, you would you with your team, wasn't with your family? Would every single day all day? Because that's what about the actually like, how is that? How is that coup mind to be like when you because you guys are like six what is it six team players on on the basketball team?

You guys just you guys just meet each other and then all of a sudden, you guys gonna hit eight states states? How do how do the chemistry is? You gotta remember old men is naturally like outfit the best of the best, So how does that work? I think what the chemistry is most important, and when you know, when you're able to play with a bunch of great players and keep the eagles aside, that's when you have

something special. Because they say that the way you where you know somebody is easy to go to jail with them or you're going on tour with them, and then you will know exactly who that person is. Definitely. I mean obviously that you know there's people you may mess with more than others, But I can't really say that there's people you just completely dislike on team you I've never been on the team like that, asked me if he ever played off a team I didn't like. Let's go. Yeah, okay, y'all,

what do you play? This is? What to do with this? Don't try to hold you good. It's this guy. I ain't only said the police the rivers because like the rivers, rivers, little girl, it's like he smoking below all joints we got we go to NBA player camera going we're going first one on one off God, let spick up the hit Man coffee. But holds enough today. This is a dope spot. You come here, it's a lounge, it's private. You bring your own thing. You come here, and you

burn it up. But okay, now what who's talking about. I don't like players that have the Kobe arrogance, but not the Kobe game. And that's how he is, like you would think he was like really Kobe, and I'm like, brot, come on now, you just on the team because your daddy is the keep that same. So I didn't like it. I didn't like Austin. I did. Matt loves everyone. You know, you know, I know, I know the business. You know what I mean something, whether you know you really funk

with someone or not. At the end of the day, you're trying to win the championship, so you want to you know, you want to make sure you know. I mean, I was the first person came up to all said and TONI you know, l A is a little different, you know what I mean, It's more than just basketball. You need me being you know how that you know I mean, so That's why I look at things and I may not be a best friend to hang out off the court, but I funk with all of my teammates.

So what is the best era in basketball? What was the best era? Like Celtics, Laker, well when you was involved or not, whatever, whatever you think is the best era in basket man? Probably uh, late eighties, nineties? Um, what we talked, and there was a lot, I mean obviously you know, yeah jack Um, you know the Knicks back then. I like your dreams back then, the nineties two, Yeah,

the first Dream Team. I mean, that was a great time of basketball, a lot of amazing Hall of famers, and they really got to play physical bass compar want no fight football type ship out there. So that's what I grew up watching and loved and wish that the NBA could have stayed that way just a little longer. Okay, what's the best I read hip hop night the nineties,

There's no question. Okay. And then when you say the nineties, you're talking death for I know, I'm talking about music the whole decade and West Coast everywhere in between, you know, I mean, because it was real music, It wasn't you couldn't get away, but putting out no bullshit, you could get away and put anybody to put the album out to the song, it's horrible and it's disappointing, you know

what I mean. I think music would be a whole lot different if Pocket Biggie were still around, because I think you would have to they have to hop bar so high, and I don't know, there's a lot of you know, those two come to mind that at most, but a lot of bullshit sis in the crack these days because ian one because of social media, but too it's just because there's no run really hold the motherfucker's accountable.

Like when you think about a Pocket Biggie was twenty four years old, baby, they would really be they just because they're be in like forties nine just becoming somebody telling me, um they were like nine or something with popped down. I was like, fus, I was, I missed that.

Do you ever get mad when you see like these younger generation people, she doesn't mad at everything, don't really respect like the O G s. They didn't respect, like because at the end of the day, right, I heard you say earlier, you said you forty right, right, So like even if we didn't even respect our elders, we didn't let them know that like we we we would, we would. We were like, I ain't whatever, But when they around, we were showing them respect. We're doing this.

This is nowadays, this generation, they don't give a about what came. I'm glad you asked me that. I'm gonna say. There's this a particular person that I'm just gonna say his name Wack with Honey. I feel like the way that he disrespects legends is like it's just told. It's just disrespectful, like you said, like we grew up like you know, we respected our elders. And then for him to get on it, he said some things about Pock

and Pocks. Mother, bro, you never a new Pop. You came around with Death Throw when Sugar was getting out of jail and trying to pick up the pieces. You never met Pop, so you can never say that. You know. It's just as a person as you know, however you feel about you know, Pock, you know, like even like like I wasn't I didn't listen to East Coast Rapper when we were being with bad Boy. You know what I'm saying. That was so bid We couldn't listen to

that like a sneak and listen to hypnotize. You understand what I'm saying first for him too. Everywhere goes someone has love, you know what, flat Flex, But everybody else like you, they always I'm saying, you're gonna say something Poppa's dope, b was dope like we love Biggie out here, you know what I'm saying, We and they love Pocket

New York. So far him to get on here and need to say that Poc was this and for you not to even know this man and then speak ill of this man he said, then bring his innocent mother into it. That's disrespectful. Then he gets on and then he disrespects both luck and harmony. You cannot say anything away from ball thug. If they smoked a mountain of slaughtered a mountain of cocaine a fucking day, that's not your who. Why are you judging these people that they

actually are legends? You know, bo still sell out shows, you know what I'm saying, And you're just on social media, you know, being like disrespectful for and I just I just hate the whole disrespect behind people nowadays. You know nothing for the little boy said No, little Yaddi or whatever his name is, he said he was better than Poc. How how that you can't wrap a present? How are

you gonna say? You know what, I'm saying, you're better than But I think too, it's a different time now because I think showing love to somebody and showing week this motherfucker's think. You know, I mean, we don't respect. It's cool. When I look at it, I would look at it like you know how I went at Jordan's like he went. It was at Jordan, but it was love. It was like like I want to be I want

to go after good. You want to be great? Great time competitive to I don't respect because I mean, at the same point, if you're going at them, they kind of paid the way for you to begin with, you know what I mean. But I just said, I think today in society it's not cool. Motherfucker's don't show love. They would rather hate ten out of ten times than

really just just pay that man this respect. But what if what if in these certain weird scenarios it's it's actually a person's opinion, Like what if that like if you know, certain times, certain times it's hate, right, certain times I can be like, yo, I don't like this, and it could really be coming from a hateful day. But what if these certain scenarios, you can't be mad

at someone to pick at the end of the day. Like, I'm a Tupac fanatic, but there's a lot of Tupac songs that I don't like, Like Matt is like Matt one listen to every song on Tupac every day, Tupac the aper scenes working. You know, I'm just saying he had a lot of ship. I'm saying, like Matt, that's two podcasts a song rapping the A, B C s. Matt gonna listen to it like he listened. I'm not

saying I'm not I don't like it. I'm not. I'm saying, like, if it comes on like I don't have to necessary here and I would skip it, you know what I'm saying. So I'm saying like, and that's my opinion. That's that's my opinion. Like to me, a lot of pop shits, you know, you can you know some people like oh, I can listen to all Eyes on Me and not skip a song that's not me. I'm not gonna front and say, you know, what I'm saying, Like it's some shop.

I was like with this today, but it's certain saw a certain CDs that you can listen to, you know, like my favorite Tupac CD was Me against the World, because yeah, I feel like he was more like you heard it heard and you heard like you know, so it was like passionate to me. And then all eyes on me was my revenge, bitch. You know what I'm saying. You know the revenge maca. That was my revenge I home, you know what I'm saying. And you know, people like pop Ship got this man out of jail. This man

didn't shower ship nothing. You know, this man went to the studio. I heard that. So you're telling me the students he went straight to the is way more dedicated, like yeah, I would, I don't did a couple of things like if he went straight, and then two days later they were fing to videos. This was gonna go out to all our vapor thugs out there. You gotta

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promo code drink during the checkout. Now, now you are around. I had to be around, right, So what I'm saying that when I'm looking for the outside in as crazy as it is, I'm forty years old. I didn't come out in the industry until ninety seven. Well was my fishal alight? So I've never met I never got to meet him ship. It hurts my film. I feel like I was right there every moment Park was like I can just laugh just like that felt like that second ship. Right.

But as outside of looking in, this is just pure fan. I don't have the inside information because I'm in the industry or nothing. It felt I was always in a right like it just right, you knew he wasn't gonna be here, That's what I mean. Okay, and I'm outside, I don't have no inside information as a person who

actually was there. That's true because like you know, I say, like back to back, you see how fast that double CD came out, So that shows you like he was rushing and he had Okay, I gotta get this done for this and he'll do this. No, I don't like this, you know, let me know. Wait, yeah, you know. So, and it depended on what pop you got that day. You know, one day you might get you know, you get bit ship. The next day you might get you know, he might feel that baby, you know what I'm saying.

So it's just depending on that pot, what pot you got that day, because it truly was a gymini. So it's just really dependent on you know, is there ever any truth to him? You know how they say that he was trying to record it as that's as possible to get the contract over with, Like that's not true. And I hate when people said, like you know, you know, people and that's enough saying I said. People always say that that's bash. It about should should That's what the

conspiracy came. First of all, there's no way this is new documentary with unsolved unsolved, right and they're basically saying that. So I'm just I just that's some ship. People's like like they always say, well, Ship was taking Pops money. Understand, Pod had passed before we got got Pot shot the cops. He beat them brothers up. Park was being sued podcast legal fee. So every little tune and few that Pot got Park has a pay. So it wasn't like Ship was like hey uh you know, and it was like

Pok was his favorite, you know what I'm saying. That was like like my his son. And you know how people, um, they made it seem like Ship talk crazy to Pop. You know, he didn't you know, now, he didn't. He didn't do that because Park demanded him. He's a man and he would always say I'm a man just like everybody. That's why I like Pop couldn't fight, but he would fight, you know what I'm saying. And his heart just was he just had a big heart. So he didn't give

a fun. He wasn't don't like it. You know, if you say some ship to Pok and you know you gonna whop his ass, He's still okay, but you're still a bit ass snigger and you take this ass whip me, you know what I'm saying. So it's just it's if people they shug like and I'm not gonna say that Sugar is anything like I love the Cinner like I love the Center, but I hate to sin, you know what I'm saying. So I'm not gonna say like like like the fund up ship that he's done. But at

the end of that, that's my uncle. I love him, you know what I'm saying. O. So, and it's just like that's why I can't wait to do the whole thing with stars whoever we do it with, like because I want to tell the truth. Like it's people making like different was like a prison camp. No, we have fun, you know what I'm saying. So fun Like do you know, like I remember when she got the Hummer, I was like, the fund is this gonna stole some ship from the

army base, do you understand? Like a kid from copting, And I'm saying all this ship like at one time, every from everybody from the hood, whether their relationship ship went south or whatever. He's still hired everybody from the hood, you know, and nobody can from that I can say didn't do that for him. So let me thinking about that now. That is what holds and hold and uh, Paul is you know, like excellence and it's crazy he's been.

He he was doing that because behind people from the hood, right and obviously the people in the hood kids to go to college. Should paid off people's mortgages. Should did so much for people like you know, like he would buy the closer, the copter, swap meat and do toy stories every sort, give away toys every year. He did a mother state brush because he's a mama's boy. See, people should put up Shug. I ain't saying, you know, bitch, but should had a soft side. S a mama's boy,

you know what I'm saying. So what women say like Shug hit them? Oh because Shug it's afraid of his mother. You understand I'm saying, not, you know, like he has mommy fear. So for you to like he'll call it a bitch of bitch because the bitch all bitches ain't wouldn't. But he'll call a bitch a bitch. But as far as that hitting, like he got too many home girls and to a piece, like with the ship, he didn't

have to do all that. So it's a lot of things that people who have said that I want to clarify, you know, and I have to. I know, I have to protect the guilty on a lot of ships. So but I'm excited to do that. I think that's why it's so important. Like, like I said, I've always had a vision of this project just being tell me what other label had dre at its height, snoop at its height, pop at its height. That hasn't corrupt the list of a bunch of other list you know what I mean.

The writers, the writers they had, you know what I mean. Like, that's why I thought it was so important too. And I loved straight out of content, but to me it was hard. How do you tell ten or fifteen years of content in two hours? You can't, you know what I mean. So that's why when I when I pissed it to her about it being a series, it was just like the similars, like the part similars, like the new addition if you remember, like new Addition story was

told perfectly because it was a six. It was six two nd exactly. Say that's what I'm saying because she was always still doing. She always tells me the good side of these other people, and I try to explain that she'd be getting mad when she sees depictions on the movie. I'm like, first of all, it has to be fit for a movie screen. It has to fit a curtain, certain time frame, so you have to I'm not easy already, That's what I'm doing. So that's that's

why you have to show what they know. You can't show Sugar is a mama's boy in anything right now until you have a chance to develop his whole story, because you know, Sugar is the muscle and Sugar hanking vanilla. I sound staring allegedly, you know what I mean. So that's what you know, Sugar. So you can't show. You can't show. So that's why we could really develop everybody. And then you know, my whole thing is, you know, I don't know how everything because I'm not she was

in it. I wasn't in it, but I just know there's hard feelings, bad blood. But for me for this project to be the best and the production, we got behind it and where it's going. I want to bring everybody back together. Everybody you talking about, I'm talking about, I'm drinking about you're talking about. And I tested my teller. No matter who it is, we all just need to sit down and figure out. We're all going to figure us out to make this the best motherfucking show ever.

And then you want to the trip how because the thing about it, you gotta throw the eagles out there to get that. I think me myself, I have to get past like I have. She's a hand for I have anger issues, especially when like when it comes it's like I do I gotta be sworm, But I'm gonna text someone telling me be a little lets getting here on the phone. Like Strida Compton, I can only watch her once. I only watch it on the first So when I saw Strida Comptent, I'm looking like, oh, wait

a minute, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, wait, maybe that's the different tut of Compton, you know the movie because like with the way that all this ship went down, like I was like you're saying. When I watched the movie, I'm like, that didn't have Oh okay, and then for them to say that Eric Wright died grow come on, we're not well say that for the show, but Eric right. I don't like the way they portrayed Easy. You know what I'm saying. I don't like the way

that I don't want you to finish. I sincerely want you to finish. But what I'm saying is sometimes like in cinema, like we have make Easy the Okay, That's what I'm saying. Um like olt Pole and Rich right, this is these famous drug dealers from from New York, and they mean they remade this movie right, so and everybody and paid the full This was a recreated story. They had to do this for cinema. They had to make it that way. So people were from New York.

We all knew that this is not the exact story other way went down, but we gotta understand entertainment. Thank you, dand her in the Hospital. I loved Straight out of Comfort because a movie I didn't know the ins and outs that she you know what I mean. So then she would tell this is this is how this part went. I'm just like, you have to understand. They can't go all the way that direction because they have to stay

on point. They only have ninety minutes to tell this fifteen years of content because you can't get the small storm. But I asked him like I was. I was wondering as a fan, where was Arabian Prince in the film? You don't have enough time, he's on the cover. Has one second? Let me interrupt for a quick Drink Champs message. Did you know that every single episode of Drink Champs and I'm talking to you, Drink Champs Army, every single episode of Drink Champs is now on Spotify. That's right.

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be helped to develop and tell. There's so many when you now everyone's doing bio picks and stuff and you can't tell that much content and the amount of time they give you, so they have to leave a bunch of holes. So if you know, you can plug holes in. But if you don't know, it's whatever out there. How crazy it would be. I know you're out to talks with and you're about to make closing with stars, but how crazy it would be. It's a death row on

her faults. That's the story, right, like Holy ship off the old these years later, you know it's crazy crazy, my um, we have her. This is gonna make you guys slap. But we all go to the same church. We all should puff and I we all have Bishop Nold Johns. We all go to the same church. So it was at one time my pastor was trying to get snoop. I mean, I'm sorry, trying to get Sugar and Puff to sit down. Well, hold on, this is something. Hold on. He kept the same ship like you didn't

have a lot of you said the past. Hold hold, let me stretch you out a little bit, he said the past. Ye, Bishop Nold Johns City of refuge. You know about she demanded three fights in church. But that's another day that I'm getting where I'm mad at hold On. Let's mad at you. I was trying to get and Puff to sit down, and I think Puff was more willing, you know what I'm saying. But you know, should like

to see people, don't. You know when you think about the Pocket Big era, the shooting, you you only think about Pocket Big. You don't think about the homies that that. You know that in the process. Also, you know when that whole ship was going on. You know, people always say, you know what pop whatever whatever. Somebody asked no die that day, you know what I'm saying. So you have to understand like people like, it's a soft side, it's all side of ship, you know what I'm saying. And um.

I think, like I said, I think Puff was more you know, willing, and there was like two thousand and thirteen this recently, yeah, yeah, because I got I'm at the way that I actually met Puff for Strew Rick Ross, I just got a jail and another story that well well well, I mean I'm just saying this so comfortable with you. I just had I knew you a million years.

I just feel like that, like you know, you know how you like you just meet certain people, You're like, oh yeah, that's that's people like you just like certain immediately I'm sorry. So um I got out of jail. Rick Ross um he um flew me in to Atlanta.

He was doing the ah let's do it remix and so um we um we um he introduced us, and you know, Puff was like really receiving and it was really you know, like the good at I mean, Puff is like dope, it's fun to me, you know what I'm saying, Like, you can't say nothing bad about I can't take nothing, Like I don't know the thing I'm really mad at Puff about that. I don't think I'm gonna get over it's him, not you know, keeping one

toy about longer that's my only be, only be. But I think Puffy is like dope, he's like creative, Like you know what I'm saying. It's like I would love to, like one day do sit down and maybe he did do some kind of ship like because I like, I really admired Puff and he whenever he sees me, it's love, you know, Like I remember when Revolte first came, when he was in the office in l A and he talked, like walked me around and introduced me to people. It's like,

whenever she comes up, she's good. Like Ross was. Cover's going up there a lot as well. So he walked me before we get you, I gotta get up out of him, Matt. I gotta keep it real with you. What do we gotta do to get Derek Fisher? That move? That move that was a terrible move. Like, I mean, man, a man, like I know you're a real right right, Like I'm gonna like my joint. No, I'm just keeping it real like this is this is a man and man like every real nigger in the world was on

your side like that. How did that feel? I don't I don't mean that. I mean respectful worst respectful way because like we wanted you to beat him. We wanted you to the world start. Yeah, wanted you. We wanted you to actually say it. The world still something that seeing the way he was running around the house screaming out where someone with the feeling the ship. But it's my whole thing with that, and and before evening to this story, let me tell you that me and he

was cool. Now, okay, cool, Okay, So I'll get to that. But my whole thing is given the beat. So when I when I when I talked to him, I told him when we finally talked, I was just like, I don't agree with you date my ex wife some fun to me, I still whatever. What pissed me off was you were staying in the house I was paying for with my children and didn't tell me. Wait, I mean, I'm not playing this person. You're staying in the house I paid for. It was cool. Yeah, we see mates

and the Lakers. It was cool. I hung out and had dinner, cool teammates, had each other's numbers. He used to come to my events with Puerto Ricans. You would have stabbed him. It was like, I just could be a lot of niggles get killed for much less, killed for much less if you want to keep it on the way real. So my whole thing when I told him was it I can get over the fact that, I mean, you funk with my ex wife whatever you know, I left her, I divorced her. I'm sure she was

gonna move on and over that. So I wasn't a principal. But whoever knows me as my kids in my life, I'll die from a kill for him. I'll do whatever it takes to make them happy. That's who I am. So when you think you can just come and stay in my house and be around my kids without telling me, that's a real problem with me, real problem with me. So I told him, if you would have came to me as a man and just told me like, I don't know how you would have broke it to me,

but I would have respected the fact. I would have been mad, but I would have respected you because you came to me as a man. If you can come to me as a man, that's how much I'm gonna give you. Like I said, I'm not in love with her no more. So my main goes to my kids happy. If that's the move, that's the movie you want to make. That's the movie you're gonna make. You get with whatever that whatever it comes, is that. But if you would have came to me as a man and just be like,

check this out, bro, this is what's going on. I want to come to you first before you heard it from anyone else, and this is what's happening, I would have been like, that's what me and you know that's got cold one whole already. It's come on, man, it's you can't something. You just can't. You're not really just don't do nothing like but he's from worthy from Arkansas. I'm not saying everybody out there, but I'm saying whoever you know where was the like For instance, my my

first my first marriage was for poems first cousin. So the first day I'm an I told upon listen that's it. Look, I have no idea, but I think I just fell in love with your first cousin. It's my friend. I see tithing jail, So it's whatever. Like I don't have no problem saying that. But it was up front. So now it's not like Tony and um, what is it scarface? When it finds out, it's not like the day we could talk about it. We could do whatever, you know

what I mean. But at the end of the day, that was what I told him when we sat down, and there when I when I approached them, that's what I told him. And were cool, now, you know what I mean, Like I squashed me at the end of the day. And what really made me squats She always looks fun, but I'm saying what made me squashing was my kids are just my kids really like it, like they lived together now in the valley, you know, I mean,

I kept it so real, just Nick. I'm just like, you're gonna be around my kids more than I am. The way are divorcing my visitation stuff. So you got to teach them how to be men and right and wrong and discipline them as you see, you know what I mean. Like I gave him that kind of power. That's a lot of power, bro, you know what I mean. And that's that's that's respect and that's as long as

that's my thing my kids. But my kids told him like that, and we really like dark actually to be friends when you know what I mean, And that's the only thing that's the real fun. You know, nobody can't agree with that kid. I can care less about all that. I couldn't went the rest of my life just staring at the ning every time, like just wanting to know

if I might whip his asterday or not. You know you can still like now, you know every five like every five weeks to every five guys, you're still around. You still got still you kind of understand what I'm saying, man, Like, that's what I'm saying that you stop my kids if they happen to happen like I just like I was. But it's crazy. When that ship happened, I got love from the NFL referees, owners, everyone that saw me on the streets. Motherfucker. Man, you're like you that's what you did.

You should have moral games. That should be your your colden lines morl game because you were all people with more you know, snakes cut the grass and stas. What you did is every person that had morrils and said, you you know what, that's just we hate this other guy. I'm just saying, that's that's the dope ship for being being living the righteous way man, And I want to try to lose you for that. I'm trying to rub He's trying to rub that off on me is any

time my sick. You don't you don't believe it forgive, like I'm really like like when you're going, I know, I'm really like that. You know, I say something for life like that's really how I feel. Like it's ship if you fucked up, Like this is my best friend. So and it's like anybody that's close to me, like movement right now, she took all that ship. She a

big ass teddy when she gon up. Though at the same time, you know, this is my best friend, and you know, it's like certain things like you can't get because that's you can't really get involved because that affects his kids, you know what I'm saying, because like if he didn't have enough kids, I would go nuts, you know what I'm saying, Like, and it was you know, it's the fact that I have to respect that, Like if I see Derek, I can't be disrespectful because that

could possibly affect you know, his kids, you know, actual relationship. You know, I just relationship, you got, that's all it. Let me. I don't like her, but I always love her because she's the mother of my children. She gave me too, so I say all the bullshit she puts me. She gave me two beautiful boys. And that's why I never take that. I've never like I always see her and like slapped it or you know, do some stuff to her like I respect her because that's like I do.

So she could do whatever she wanted, she could say what she wanted to say. But God bless you. Right, So so now what do we want to tell the people before we get about it? Because we know you gotta go and I want to smoke. I got more weight if you want to smoke. I really I really appreciate both for y'all for coming and just letting me, you know, into your lives and you know, and I like this type of platonic relationship, right, I like we

fight like brother and sister. Well, I wasn't talking to two before she surprised me and came here like I didn't even talk to you since what down to night? And she popped up with me talking ship like that's it's real. You know it's real. So we're gonna leave the fans with you. Guys got there for what is it called? We have? We don't want to throw it out to you. We got a lot of dope ship covering like I said, our our goal is to bring everybody back to Yeah yeah, see from the Bay from Okland.

Something we got, we got the we got the right, so that one we gotta sets of everybody's spoken. We had one lighter, gonna do a film model. Yeah, hue p new you got the life right, got the script and funding already like on that because I need to know what that means because I'm like at that type of level. So we can I want to do that. My partner, Corney Benson, became tight with it. That the the Huey Family, the New Family, U, Bobby c David Hill,

You're the foundation all all of it. Because you're you're not going to make a Black pant third movie. It's going to be called Power to the People, but it's gonna be a Black Panther movie. So that's why I love all this movement right now. The real Ship, the real Ship, the real Ship. It's crazy enough, yeah, but it's okay because people get mad at the truth. You get mad at the truth. You want to be mad at me, it's the truth. At the end of the day,

said we're talking. I'm talking to my homeway Ryan Kruler. They just did this last black Panther. He's from Oakland. Us to play football, my little brother, us to be in my house, eating up on my food and doing mother should don't want to put that on camp noting. But that's my homie, you know what I mean. So he just killed whether they have three D eighteen million

and count right now? You know what I mean When I'm talking to him about doing this, because I mean, he's from open you know, I mean, he's got the post of Oakland. I want to make this so authentic and tell the story because it's dangerous if you're not if you if you don't serve the panthers, right, if you don't know the panthers. All you think when you see black people trying to come together and force change, white people gonna be scared and they're bad. You mean,

but let's educate these people. Let him know what they're about about the program they have from you know, seeing the single moms, and you know that the food they provide, you know, all the stuff. There's bad ship, just like with that frois that ship and they did a lot

of good ship, you know what I mean. And I think now with with with our crazy ass president and just the way the world is so cool to be racist right now, you know what I mean, Like now was the time to really show like that's what it is. And I think this is something that could become a

movement and everybody's gonna jump on this ship. So we've had since I announce saying when I if I would tell you the names that hit me the top of the top have hitten a triple plus want to be a part of a part of this, you know what I mean. So I just t I had, you know, honestly, you know I need because there's a lot of people who do that right now, you know special You know I was doing it before it was cool, you know what people now so like they want to be a powersher.

But you know, T I was, you know, medicine ships coming beginning, So coming was always on some ship like people who like I said, that's why I think. You know, when you think of Beyonce coming out with a concert, when you know she's sitting in the wicker chair with the ship. That's how she opened her concert. You always see the you always see Alicia Keys doing you know, I mean, like this is something that we already authentically believing.

So that's probably was so perfect with this Black Panthers superhero to kind of start the buzz and then we hit him with the real black I think that started the bus. Did that turned the story? Actually? Yeah? And then that turn it was it was like the little spark then right, and they opened the door, you know what I mean? Like I said, people are gonna be mad. They're gonna be but they're mad at the truth. You know, you're mad at the truth that that's not our fault.

You don't want to hear the truth. You don't want to hear how you you know, have you deprived us for hundreds of years? You know what I mean? Right, so you don't. But now we're in a position of power. You gotta think. Ryan Paton was a black man from Oakland, California. I went up to Disney to visit him while he was shooting this Black Panther. We're walking around, We're the only black people we see besides his homeboy. You know what I mean, Like you walk around a lot of Disney.

He's in Disney. Disney gave him hud Yes, two hundred millions is not two hundred mids marveled two hundred million dollars. He's a black man from Oakland. And it was the third film, right, it was Fruitvale Station. Creating then said, you know what I mean, So like this, what's Creed? Could the boxing ship that had Michael be Jordan about Rocket, Yeah, he'd be, So he killed Fruitville Station. He's he's only only dirty from Oakland. Like I said, he played college

football my little brother. So she just like to see him walking around Disney, you know what I mean? Like who said, well, you know, walking around the White House, and you know what he said? You know what I mean, that's it's uncharted territory we're visiting right now and Trump, but Trump doesn't know it's Trump with something that's doing with all this bullshit. That's race of the ideologies and the people as he's bringing us together. You mean, we realized.

I think some black people got comfortable thinking, Okay, we got money, we had a black president. We made it. These motherfucking white people still don't sunk with us, no matter how much you would have won the championship, would never go around. We did last year. I was with the l Yeah, we decided early on we wasn't going Remember that's when he said something to staff and all that, like we we know to the last Yeah we had a plan on. Yeah, we had no planing on. Yeah

damn yeah. And that's when they did not gonna say. Trump said what I mean, y'all it's rappers on the ship right there, said I'm not going if Trump inboded you the White House with you now, And people get mad at that, but it's our truth. You can't get back. Comment actually said all political things aside. Trump say I want to have dinner with you at the White House. You ain't gonna if you're talking about paying for some pleasya goo. I think I think he was going to.

Definitely I wouldn't go. I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that it existed. I was like, you don't know, learn heat but the prostitute, Yeah yeah, he's bringing them all even a real dollars, like yeah, I have to talk to the book likely give that money. He lived, He lived like a CEO. Yeah, yeah, living like bro. Damn, I don't know. And that's like death wrote when he did something for the world, that's Trump did. Ship.

But you know, you know what I'm saying, So getting the politics get likely, Yeah, well, thank you let me tell us we really think if we enjoyed the time, that's what we do. Um In case anybody don't know if if they've watched the shows, our show is about bicking up our legends. People. So many times in our culture, you know, a person get ten years in this game and they want to tell them that it's over for them. But black don't crack. So what do you watch it

to be over for us? I don't want were one of the first people that was part of the hip hop He was a famous DJ. Miami's mixtape came I'm a Rapper and we came together. We chose to honor people who've been in this game season. You can't be you can't be un here one year in this games. You have to have ten years or more to be here. You have to be a legend. And we wanted to always salute our legends. So this is what this platform

is full though, because dope, d my nigger. I don't know if you knew that I used to see that only like I only took like like four private jets in like a whole life, like like like out of a fourth or fifth time I've seen you looking like three three of them, and I would just see him like, are you keeping together? I was like keeping together, remover, like like I just some fly. That was some flysh I didn't even know what this fly. So I thought

about it just now. One day I was going to the West Coast, both jets at land and we had to switch the jets. It was like, I don't even remember where it was up keeping together, he's keeping well. I got up some real ship. But I love your music, like and don't appreciate we remember we met at Shanteaine's book signing. Yes I did that way yeah, okay, we talk some fl talk about it and now that. But

Sholemagne really loves you, man, that's my dog people. Really, it's like you really the people that like people should holler at when you come out here because your heart is good. You're here. So how did you like develop that? I don't know. You're gotta go, so like a quick you got a podcast coming up to CBS. I started, we can't even so we had that. I wanted to be like up nigas. I was about to say, but it's CBS and we love no, no, not, we love

great people, great people. I had a I had a grandmother and that really had you know, taught me about and stuff like she taught me you never met a stranger, so you have to treat everybody a different way. So that's my whole thing. The grandmother said, you never met a strange, never met a stranger, because you don't know how God is coming back, so you have to treat everybody. You know what I say, This is my saying because I've met I met you before. Yeah, it's similar to that, Yeah,

i've met you before. I may not met you. I met a different version of right, I've met like like like because I'm saying I'm forty years old, I really I feel like I'm sixty nine. Though I don't know why I said that was weird, Right, I feel like I'm older because I really like, I really traveled the world. I did a lot of things. I've been in jail, I did everything, and it's like I feel like I'm missed a yagy like you know, I'm feel like I'm very very old. You know what I said. I was

and I was angry, you know what I'm saying. You know, and I think, like not to be sentimental, but when he and I got close, you know it was it became it was cool, you know what I'm saying, because I had somebody like you just really got my back because of me, not because oh she can cause somebody get you sucked up, or she knows this person or she hangs for this person. Was also real, genuine type.

Was a lot of her and me, like if I didn't play in the NBA, like I just really have a lot of I don't give a funk because you disrespect you know, just how did just even have a loving hip hop permiump me and trying to pump me pump me and some ship like that? What else? What else that say? You like, yeah, premier like that. We was walking, I said, you need to watch where the funk you going? I saidbody, watch what you guys said? You watch where the funk? You know, you just came

to me disrespectful. So I'm just like you are. I don't know who this was fresh after rage a ship, so she might have some of them my asking the long room, but I know right in front of me she wasn't gonna do ship, so I can say. And then after that, we just it's just like you know, like I said, not knowing who she was, who she's related to, her death, row tides and they come to find out I'm the biggest pop fan in the world,

you know what I mean. It's Snoop and Drain and I'm just like, these are people you grew up and I'm like, God, that's fucking crazy. And just that was it. So this is the last question. I promise. I promised I went were over time bleacher report. If I'm late this cousin norid so hit a promote? TV got me the other day. I'm not sure who we work. I just got I think it's wrong. Documentary you gotta do? This is this is how important because when people looked

at it, what do they call biopics? Biopics? Right, let's look at the last couple of biopics, right, um, straight out of coming right, Biggie Biggie the Notorious Big I forget what it was called? And pops right, and what else there we have? Hip hop? Hip hop wise? This this is it's pretty much okay. Now, if people had to pick those three, send them outically and just yes, movie wise, we will all agree that stray what's the

best on what's the best one? Right? Not about the real story but it was How important is that for y'all? Because the thing is, I heard notice you say something earlier. You said you wanted to bring everybody on again time altogether, because there's certain people will have things in that era. But sis I seen you, I've seen you kind of like shade the whack one to the angel a little to black is never was there from So there was

no reason there was no shade for that. Okay, I gotta said, But I wish dads would like get over it because like you know, that ship, it's like twenty plus years, you know what I'm saying, let it go, like it's time. Like we got more years behind this than we have in front of us. So it's sometimes you gotta let you go, you know what I'm saying, Because he's stealing my saying and saying them on came. No, that's what he saw that for me, we ain't gonna get into that about it as an outside of looking

at it. And that's purely what I am. I feel like I feel like because I feel like you and whack them all stronger than gather, right, it's stronger than gather And it's not even whack so much. It's just her and other people. You know what I mean, Like I said, and that's what I work on. That's what I kind of like. I'm the you know the same side of what she's talking about, because I see the

bigger picture, you know what I mean. Like they may not like each other, they may not this, but this is where we can put on some money back in everybody's pockets. And are the homies from the hood drun security. I can't have I can't have you disrespecting one of the greatest men to me that donar planet think I would be. You know what I'm saying. That's like you guess my homie. You know what I'm saying. That's like, let me tell you when I met Um, After I

met Um Mob Deep, I talk too much. I gotta go when I let wait, when I met Prodigy, having I don't even listen to hit him up to saying hit him up? What's my soul? You get what I'm saying, Like I knew that ship back and forth the end, when Pap was my phone, that was my my ship. Now that I've met these people, I've grown, it doesn't have the same effects because you hit him up would make me want to go kill like fortunately I was on the jet to New York. You know what I'm saying,

that's how I hit him up. And now then I'm older and I hear it that ship, I'll be like, pok was man right here, let me turn the song. You know what I'm saying, doesn't have the same effect. It's there my ship though, you know what I'm saying. It's like like how Nova's saline. Like I don't listen to certain songs like the same anymore. Like I laughed now at Dred and when um real motherfucker jeese that actually was one of my favorite songs when the ship

came out. You know what I'm saying, motherfuck you know mother. You know what I'm saying, Like I love that ship. But it's just you can't just I would never disrespect like all these people that I have that should have beef back in the days we speak, we've talked. It's all loves, but and it's so somebody that had that's not that's not it was never in the life in

the beginning, shouldn't have that much of an opinion. That's like, I'm not a doctor, so I'm not gonna go in and tell a surgeon how to uh do his fucking job. I'm not gonna tell Matt how to go down the court and drip. Well, I'm not gonna tell you how to get on the mic because I can't live it. I mean, I haven't lived that life. So for my thing with him is I don't in the disrespect and just call for the first you. You know, it's like you're with you this and these people who an't disrespect

next snoop. You know what I'm saying. Stupid is a legend. You know, I just throw like the way you both thinking harmony. I don't give a fucking here if it's crazy both there like um, the megs is whatever, that's his fucking opinion. He has that right that has an opinion because that's his life. The ninol is still selling our shows. Well, ye trucks for a living. How you gonna tell somebody something? Okay? As in New York outside, I hope you'll all gets together. We want you, everybody

to get together. We're gonna make peace, repay for unity, and thank y'all for a coming to dream chapter a drug, Thank you about let y'all go. Thank you so much. Man, let's make up yo yo, this is let's there. Just tell you h