Episode 126 w/ Royce da 5'9"

this should be? This is your boy in R. What up is d J e F? This militum motherfucking podcast. I know what I'm saying it wrong, this is crazy Ward Radio. I know what I'm saying this motherfucking drink Chat motherfucker two year anniversary at least now. The Nightest Guess is one of my personal w UM favorite lyricists. Um the guy has had countless uh things that he's accomplished to this game. Started out in Tommy Boy Records, turned down a dr DRE deal that could have changed

his life. Him rhyme. He's probably the only person who ever rhyme next side to Embinem and they didn't say that Emmine embodied them. And I'm telling hither, they got like nine thousand records together and not one like the nigga said that he bought it. Maybe it's a couple and maybe it's not. But I mean every record of the Eminem rhyme and anybody they say that he demolishes them.

He's probably the only guy that stands a chance. He said with part of a legendary rat group that even they were beefing at one point, and then they came together and they made What's for the better cause of hip hop. Let's big of the Lord House and the case you guys don't know. Then he made another group with a legendary dj't and they made two. I was not one prime, but it's fantastic. And then he goes

on funk Master Flex. Let me write my sweat. I'm sweating at the beginning, and sweat because because it's almost

I respect him. And he goes on Funk Flex and it was crazy because a lot of my younger homies and a lot of my people, they were coming up to me and they were showing me this footage and they were shocked, and I wanted to respect their shocknus, but I also wanted to say this ain't nothing no like, and you know, I don't want to be disrespectful to what you did, but I'm like, this dude been doing

this for years. So in case you don't know who we're talking about, we told my motherfucking voice to find ken. You have such a rich hip hop history, and so I want to take it from the beginning. I want the fans to actually understand your flight, your struggle, how you got to this very moment right here. So but because I just I just took it from the beginning and I fast folded you very bad. I'm so sorry. But let's take it from the beginning. So how is

a young Royce keep getting into this game? Well, let me just give you, oh yes, please please please what one you got? You got what size? Don't worry about myself. So let's take it from the very right. Yes, yes, okay, So what you want from the very beginning, like, how what is your start? What is your origins? How how does this happen? Well, I come from Detroit, shout out to Detroit. Absolutely, yeo, man, I started. It's crazy because I just bumped into my man's scam up and knowing

scam for the long family that he created the drink Champs. No, goddamnit, make some bro. I started rapping. I was playing basketball in high school. I started writing my own raps probably some time around the eleventh grade. And I never told nobody, But why you said writing your own wraps? It sounds I was helping you before that. Oh yeah, you might have been reciting other than you were hearing me. Let me make sure clear everybody, because you know, people gonna

be out there like what. I started off mimicking people, so like l L co J, I'm bad, like used to like I memorized the whole video choreography and everything, so my bad choreography and everything I'm bad was choreography. B Yeah, I didn't think about it like you were doing that, you know queens, and we didn't look at

it like that. That's the technically way of because they were doing that was for My father used to have his friends and shipped over and he used to be like Ryan, Dude, I'm bad bad, So I set the stool up and I wrapped the ship and I'll be doing all the moves and that's like how I started running up like I could eat forty bringing yellow tape. I used to wrap that ship exactly like forty like exactly why So like that, That's how I fell in

love with hip hop. So I started writing wraps for myself to say for myself sometime around in high school. So when niggas used to be doing cipherst and ship, I never would tell nobody that I was writing. Right, So right around twelfth grade, me and one of my boys went to the hip Hop Shop in Detroit. I've been at the hip hop shop and they had no security there. Picked them up the hipop shop for those the hip hop shop. This this like like s O

B S. It's like a real underground thing. So this is the first time I came to a club and they actually had no security nowhere. Like like I'm not I don't care about security. What I'm just saying, like I'm just used to that, and these niggas they just they just was in there. Rhyme. Bro. It's like a it's a clothing store the street from Um, it's a chicken spot. I love a chicken from from the hip hop shop. Yeah, on my bucket. He went to a different hill what's the st Andrews, what's the street? I

love that Chicken the Coros Street. I'm a hood nigga. You can tell that's what everybody doing it and they're like yo, sweetwater. But yeah, so this this is like so this is like my first time seeing this is before the internet was like popping and ship. This is my first time seeing niggas battle and like rap about what you're wearing battle back and for I've never seen that before. So I'm looking at els I eminem Proof these niggas is like, how old are there this time?

They probably in their twenties. I'm still a teenager. When not els I, I was still young. And this is the which is this is mart He's malans for me. Yeah, this is where like that our whole generation came from. It's kind of like birth from there. I didn't flourish there though, because, like they Proof was the host. He had to Mike passing. Yeah, he had to Mike passing

it around. So you get to Mike and you can wrap and you got like a few seconds to kind of like captivate the crowd or DJ here to put this gone music on, and you gotta pass the money it's like the public. So when I when I first got like the courage to rap there, after I went a couple of times, I got goned, so I got gone and I ain't never wrapped there again. So I started going to this other place called the Ebony Showcase. After that I got a little bit older. The environment

was a little bit different. You wasn't standing around the circle of killer a smcs. It was more like just a crowd looking at you. And then stage was a little elevated. So when I wrapped there, I got a better response. If it wasn't for the BNY Showcase, I never would have because that gave your confidence back. Hip hop shop almost broke me, okay, but let me ask you.

Let me ask you that because, um, for artists that's starting out right now, and they had that same experience with you, where maybe they had the wrong DJ, maybe they played the wrong beasts at the time, I said the wrong rap, and you said, how how does the artist bounce back from that? Because um, I think my first show I ever did suck too. But I just had a gun on me, and I just felt like everybody knew I had a gun on me. And I was like you're gonna bounce if you're going to bounce.

So but I was like, I don't expect every artist to do that. So how do you bounce back from whose first show is supposed to be really good? New one's first show is good? Come on? One part of pain? Dude, we don't But as an artist, we don't know that. It's just like anything, man Like, like I told you, I came up playing basketball boxing. It all applies as confidence.

It's all confidence. You have to figure out a way to keep your confidence up and not be inside your own head, not kind of you know what I'm saying, Like, you can't let nothing break you. Mr lee Can you open that? Mr leaad you look at he looks his job. Mr Lea, you open up? So all right? So now, so don't I understand this? Correct that you your first look in the game is Tommy Boy. Um yeah, but you actually didn't drop an album? No? I mean wait, so he was here signing Tommy Boy. Yeah, that's the

best year in my life. Wait what year is it, Tommy Boy? Deal? This is an album and if it's thanks and you were going by Royce at this time? Bro? Yeah, as a DJ, I don't really remember this. No, I remember, I remember the announce I think it was thought it was more like I don't think it was ninety eight bro okay, but it could have been, like you know, it could have been eight is somewhere late nineties, okay, nineties,

early two thousand's. Um, I went out. I started staying in New York with a friend of mine and we started trying to shop a deal. At that time, you had to get a record deal that was like that was like it was there was yeah. So I went and took meetings with all the labels Tommy Boy included played on my demo. Basically I turned down by all of them. So I went out there and started working with Dre and that's when we started writing for the Chronic album. This is my second This is another question,

but I'm glad we will take care. Okay, a relative This is prior to m messing with Dre. Yes, because see what happened. Wait wait, I didn't know that because and I'd be drunk at already excuse um, yes, yes, if you have this is blowing my mind. This is I got already you think that I didn't know. I thought you were going to dre through. I was okay, okay, my bad. So I kind of skipped over that. So

let me let me walk you through it. Okay, ahead, and if I if I start getting scot a brain and I gotta go back out, scatter brain, definitely welcome here. I met Mark. I've seen Marshall the first time I went to the hip hop shop, but I didn't meet him until ninety seven. So I was doing this acapella on stage and I said this whack ass rap. I know you. I'm gonna keep calling all my old raps whack, but they was kind of cool back then. So I

said this, I said this line. I said, I'm Iller Thant standing in front of a guerrilla holding the banana. That was around cannabis time. That's when cannabis kind of like killing the future. Yeah, so my man, my man um introduced me and uh Me and Marshall on ship. So he was like, yo, did you just say yeah? He was like, did you just say you Iller Than't standing in front of a guerrilla holding the banana. I was like yeah, Like we both thought that was ill.

So it was like we should work. So we started talking on the phone and ship like that and We eventually got into the studio. So we did a song called bad Me's Evil, which became a group. Yeah, so Marshall said that to you or who said that to you? What about the line about the banana? Oh? I said the line on stage and then he said something to me about saying the line because he was at the Yeah, he was at the show. He was selling his local

slimshady Oh. Yeah, but he already put out the Infinite Project. Okay, I had all that ship. But we never met. We never officially. I knew exactly who he was. He didn't know what was So we got in the studio. We did Bad Metivil the song, but it was just two local dudes getting together working on some ship. He what

was he trying to body him? Because I feel like you'd be trying to body I feel like I'm just like I feel like you'd be acting like you don't have like but you get on the record, nig like as a fan, I'm a fan, like I feel like you like the Floyd Mayweather this ship and were getting the boxing too. Was I respect your boxing game that I appreciate that? Yo. We we remember being in the studio was a long time ago, humble may Weather, that's it's your name. Thank you, We thank a dope name.

I remember, I remember being able to. I remember being in the lab and some of my niggas was in the studio and the vibe and there was that the white boy's body and me see, I was always this is the beginning. Yeah, this is when we did bad me see with the first song. Yeah, because they was always used to me wrapping better than everybody in the studident. So this nigga comes in with the song concept already, He telling me what I should say on the hook.

Keep telling me. He teaching me about the way words roll off the tongue and ship like that, because I remember like he wrote the hook and it was like when we hit the trees till we look like Vietnamese people. So I kept saying, we hit the trees, We hit the trees till we looked like and he was like, yo, you gotta combine we and hit we hit the trees. He was like, it rolled off the tongue better. Like

he was teaching me ship. He wasn't even thinking about yea so and then when he laid his verse, they was kind of like, dam it sound like he rapping better than you. You You know what I'm saying. I remember that being the vibe in the studio. So shortly after that he got his deal with Dre. So the way we started binding was we was always talking on the phone and every time I record something, send it out there to him, you know what I'm saying, so he

could listen to it. So when he played Dre everything he had on his demo, out of all of the features he had on the Dre was like, Yo, that one song right there is the one you should put on the album, which was featuring me. Right this nigger was playing Drede my demo and I didn't even know it. So I'm at my mom's crib. I'm standing in my mom's crib at the time, and I'm in the room. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in my room and ship my dad just coming the room like, hey,

it's a doctor Dre on the phone for you. No, gotting a point now, It's not it's your dad. Your dad knows that this could be Dr Dre, Dr Dre or is he one of those guys that don't know at all? No, my dad young, because the way he said it I knew it was Dre the way he said it, because you know, he know Dre, he know his voice. He probably was like, Yo, this nigga sounds like the doctor Tred that I see on TV. But that's how Dre is. He just called, yo, how you know?

How you doing this? Royce? There? Doctor Dre. You know what I'm saying. So he's like, it's a doctor Dre on the phone. So I'm like what. So I get the phone hello and he's like, Yo, what's up? It is Dre. That's never met him, never met a celebrity in my life, and how long did it? Just called my mom's house? That is really Dre? Immediately expect nor the media. So I'm like, yo, man, how you doing? This's an honor to talk to you. And he was like, yo, man,

I really like your ship. He was like, M been playing me some ship and M didn't tell me he was playing it, so that's why I didn't. I didn't know. He was the last thing I was expecting. So he was like, I want you to come out to Cali, you know if you can, and I've never been to Cali before either, and help me out with some ship that were doing so I flew out there and I started writing, and then I also had to re record

my vocals on M song for his album. So that's because it wasn't up to PAF with Dre's because we just did it. We did we did it at my man's studio. But we were just babies, man. You know what I'm saying, Like when he got that deal, he turned into d standards of recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he's so yo. I mean that's how I ended up starting to work on the chronic, start bonding with him more,

start being MS hype man. Now when all this ship starts transpiring, you know, the business is small, man, Like we're getting around real fast. So all the labels was like, yo, you want to do another meeting? Tommy Boy included. So when I went out there to talk to Tommy that yeah, I played with my nigga. Listen, I played the voice. It was hard to resist that. Yeah, you see, but but what but in your heart? Let me ask you something because a lot of people don't understand this that

sometimes like I heard Drey offered you two fifty? Is this correct? And time girl? For you? One point to something around the area in that ballpark. Man. I just remember it was they kept saying a million dollars. Okay, you don't kid, point nothing, A million dollars point whatever. He was like, all I kept hearing with million dollars, A million dollars, so that he was offering that no, no,

they got the bank. I'm thinking penalty, my bad. Tommy Boy crack time, Tommy Boys the Father company exactly, so I knew they was cracking the I was meeting directly with Tom Silverman. It was like, it was like, so, it is that one of your biggest regrets that you went for the money and you didn't go for the opportunity. No, not, not really a regret, man, It's not really regret. I

mean it's it's just something. It's one of the things you think about as an adult, like, wow, if I was a little bit more mature, you know how this business is. Man, It's like, you don't know, it was a little more mature. I was a little bit more mature, I probably would have done certain things different. You would have would a lot of times, like a lot of times when I go for the money play, it's really not the play every single time. It's when I go

for the passion play. It always works out for me. But when you when you're young, when you're young, you don't even you don't even have a full understanding of what your passion is yet, you know, like I didn't have the foresight to be able to see the Dredre was starting a real movement. He was starting something that you want to be a part of the music, you know what I'm saying, Like that his album and Marshall's album and then that Chronic tour was a movement. It

was the biggest thing moving. The big thing about it was the thing about it was you. But I'm sorry to say this. I don't want you to feel bad about your mistaken but you actually fit in the aftermath. You're actually went alone there. That's that's That's the only part that that bothers me when I look at that history is that I look at him like I know because to you, I'm thinking, like you, if I'm a kid from the hood, that's seven hundred and fifty thousand

more than what I'm hid. But the thing is, you would have probably made triple that I absolutely would have. You don't think you don't think it would have been a fifty fifty look what happened with rock Kim being on their buster Eve. That's that's a good point, I mean, and I'm sure he probably took that because that's the one thing about aftermath is you can be the star there or you can be the fucking guy that's on well,

I know, playing third base coach. I know for a fact by my experiences were working with Dre, I definitely would have made better music, right Like the music that I came up with on Tommy Boy it was good, but as a producer, right like I would have, I would have made the album that defined me at the early age. That's one that's one benefit that I think

I I missed out on, you know. But looking at it in retrospect too, though, man, it's like if he just if he just would have told me, like, yo, I don't think you should do that, I would have a m yeah, either one of them. Either one of them. Nobody around me made me feel like I was making a bad decision at one point. Something that's like it was just like, all right, what do your album over there? I wish I was your friend back there? What you

have about like yo, listen? And I got that, like I started to realize that going for the money, sometimes you're happy for three weeks. Yeah, you learn. I'm from Detroit, man, Like I had a terrible time. You know. It's like when you when when we'd get out that you got a million dollars in Detroit. Detroit, Oh my god, you might as well have that ship in your pocket in cash and rubber bands everywhere you go, no matter where you go, you know what I mean. And it's like

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e A f dot com forward slash champs. Shoot, I gotta probably go back to like boss right, you know, Oh yeahs dope too. At that time, it was like Sean was like a big independent seller, you know what I mean. But he didn't have a major record. He was like he was, he's a legend, you know what I'm saying. But when Marshall got his deal, it was like the first in years, you know, it was like since like, um, what was it not multily from the time. It's a competitive city, man, it's a competitive city. So

I ran into a lot of problems. So I watched a couple of your interviews, UM and UM to do my research. And the thing that nobody really UM pointed out is your glasses game is happy. Thank you man. You have on custom card frames with Heaven, which is the name of your studio. Correct and my correct, you are correct. I've never seen car t air frames. I watched rap Radar interview and I said, look at these guys. They didn't even point out out, they didn't take no

mention to this guy's classes. These are called diamond cut body, look like that all those prescriptions or those just fly These are just fly. Yes, yes, I could have gotten my prescription and them. I just didn't want to wait for him. When I see them, I had to wear them immediately because I knew that this style he just came out, and I wanted to be the first one. I still ain't see nobody with him. I see you

all right, right off? Listen, he said, I was the first one with him, So let's make sure that that's not I'm sure somebody don't try to the first figure. I was looking like, damn, those are different. Okay, So now you and him, something happens where there's a fallout. Now for this brief moment was a heartbreaking for me because again, I don't I've met you. I met him, but I don't really know you guys, but I understand the relationship from you guys in the public's eyes. Did

you guys have this falling out? Why wasn't this falling out even happen? Um? Okay, the biggest the biggest part of it was communication, I would say, lack thereof, you know, like we didn't get the opportunity to say to each other how we felt about the situation. It was so many people, so many people kind of like instigating it and saying what they could say. The kind of like fuel it did it. I think it turned it got a little bit easier for him to just not deal

with it at all. Then to try to deal with it and please all of these people. And on my end, it was like I wasn't doing my part to keep it peaceful. I was kind of fueling it too, because at that time, I felt like I was kind of like defending myself. I was standing up for myself. You know what I'm saying our fans, because our fans is a little bit slow. And I'm sorry to hate when

I say that. They hate when I say that, because yeah, So, what what we were saying is that when the problems occurred, there was other people who came in who fueled your mind, fueled his mind. Is that what it was because the situation was between it was between me and his crew detoiled right now? What Na, that's the thing too, Like, yeah, it kind of it kind of during like to tell end of it, it kind of turned into me me

versus Proof. It kind of got perceived that way just because of how vocal he is, how popular he is, and how popular I was at the time. Within that situation, it really stems back from an issue between me and Bizarre. That's what That's what it comes down to. Bizarre Bizarre, Me and Bizarre both went to the same high school. He was real cool. Well he wasn't real cool, but he was. He knew my big brother, my big brother's age. They didn't like each other, you know what I mean.

So you remember I told you nobody knew how wrapped, right, So this nigga Bazarre was like the man in high school and rapping. So as soon as he left, he found out that I was rapping now right, you don't like that. He didn't like that, so he came back like I don't like that. So yeah, he wasn't no no hating ship and that he's just a competitive Yeah, so he he came back and I was at the part he approached me and ship to battle, you know what I'm saying. So we battled like that was my

first time actually like knowing the niggasm. We battled, right, We did that. So years later I would see him at the hip hop shop. I'll see him out. So we was cool. When I started hanging with him, everything changed with me and everybody, you know what I mean. So it was just like once everybody started getting deals,

everybody was so competitive instead of supportive. That's why I always try to teach, not teach, but always try to like advocate unity within our community in Detroit with the young artist, because when we started getting deals, we were the first batch of nigga's getting deals in Detroit in years. So instead of us unified with each other, we all just competed with each other. Happens in Miami, happened York, happens in Queen. So just it just so happened with

this certain situation. We were competing with each other too close under the same umbrella, and it put him in put him in the position where he pretty much had to choose, you know what I'm saying. So, um, it could have been it could have been rectified, but nobody was taking those steps. Everybody was just standing their ground, you know what I mean. So, so once you do that and you don't funk with the communication, everybody around is trying to fuel it. They just make it worse

and worse, worse and worse and worse and worse. So every time we've seen each other, they got more and more weird. You know what I'm saying. Niggas were saying this about each other. Niggs was saying that about each other. And I can't blame nobody because I know I did my part and the next thing, you know, this record got made then I made it was the first thing

they dissed you first. It was detwolve this you first they put out the first record, but not am You and M didn't have no it was everybody else and M never had a problem. Me and Mr Porter never had a problem being Proof never had a problem. It was something between and me and bizarre And then it just grew. I just grew into something that it shouldn't have been, you know what I mean, How did you fix it? I think it was time, you know what I mean, Like a lot of time went by, nobody's

speaking to each other. Then when we finally uh was improof passing. That was one of the things. That was one of the things. I mean, seeing him in that coffin, man,

it was just like, yeah, yeah, God blessed. Seeing him in that coffin was just like, it's just too surreal, you know what I mean, Like at one point I thought I didn't like him at one point, but seeing him in that coffin and it broke my heart so much, and seeing them all in the front row and seeing what the family went through and all of these different feelings and emotions. It just it makes you feel like life is short, Like what the funk are we beating for?

You know what I mean? So, I mean that was one of the things. I think that was one of the things that helped Marshall kind of because me improof, me improof pieced it up way before he passed. He was like real cool. We went back on tour together and ship like that. Poof was like one of the happiest guys. I don't know, like he was always was happy every time. I forget what strip club I shot. I filmed. I keep I hate saying shot. Um. I filmed in Detroit. Um it was about an eight mile

and I did the movie. Um what what was the movie? Not hard movie? No, no, nothing hard movie. It was, um Jerry Ride. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm enjoy Ride Detroit. I was out there. I holed to joint and before I get to the Joe buttons, Joe button and all that stuff, checking in. Checking in was basically almost invented by Detroit niggers. Right. How I visualized checking in was this was my homies anyway, So check my niggas is my niggas. I never felt landing in Detroit and say Yo,

nig I'm here because that's what they required. They asked me. They didn't demand it. They they say nigga checking in, nigga mother. They they just say yo, nigga, when you in my city. I want to know because I know that there's other grammy niggas running around this city that might get you because they know you work with me. So I've always came to Detroit and I've always and most of the time these niggles to be busy anyway, So these niggas are, But Detroit is kind of like

the people who patterned that checking in. What do you feel about that right now? Because this is this is a big controversy about checking in. Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand why such a controversy. I think it's just a lot of people they're they're measuring stick on what respect is. It's just completely different. It's just completely different, you know what I mean. Like I learned respect in the household, like my dad was. My dad ran the house with the iron fist, you know what I mean.

So I got punched in the face at home before I ever could get punched in the face in the street. I mean, I think that. I think that should happen to every kid. I should happen every get punch in your face? Is the fact we spreading it or drink kids, you get punch in the base. Everyone including your own, get punch in the base. Once. Let's go. When you go to somebody's city, you're going to the house. I

said here as a girl, girls should not. It's like it's like it's like, you know, somebody, if somebody come to your house. Man, you know, like if I go to somebody's house, I'm thinking, damn, man. The first thing I do is I look at the carpet, like should I be taking my shoes off? This guy got white carpet. Let me take my shoes. I can go to your house for five thousand years, and I still will ask you can I go to the frigerator? Yes, Like I still be like yo, I will never go on someone's frigerator.

Like I sort of go. I can go to your house, I said, I sort of. I still ask you can I use the bathroom? Like that's just who I am. Not everybody has that common sense, but not everybody was He's right, customs. I don't know before I even messed up I mean, like, yo, bru, when I go to somebody and you know what else, it was like that Styles piece. I came to my crib, this nigga cleaned up a mess that he didn't even make, like I'm just out there. And that's how the styles he was

a killer. Off top the nigga came. I was like the hold on ory and this thing. I was like just just like some bottles I had from drinking, and like I was going to clean it up. But he got the first thing he did. He walked in my house and say, oh, scoose me. He didn't, he didn't say somebody's violing, and he just picked this shut up. I said, this nigga's like killer because anything is that's

nice like that oh his other side. And so I knew that on top of me being a screen nigger, and I'm like, yo, you know what i mean, I'm sorry I went I went a little crazy. Kay? What that was? That was my new son was a great nigga's uh. I mean yeah, I think it's just a respect thing. I totally understand it. Just because I'm from Detroit. Maybe if I came from somewhere else, the lines would be a little skewed. Maybe I would look at it like, damn what they're trying to say, you know what I mean?

So I understand why some people don't understand, but I mean, everything ain't for you to understand. No, But the thing about it is Royce, right, you being from being from

not even from Detroit, you being from hip hop. And you know when I got an album called The Warrior Port and I have a partner who's from Queensbridge and it's from left right, and you go to Queensbridge and left right because your record label tells you you gotta go out there and go promote in this restaurant and then go promote and this guy's and I gotta retail store. One of the first things you shouldn't do. It's called

the two Motherfucker's, you know from that spot. So I gotta say your Royce, man, it's like reflect, reflect, I'm not even going out there right now, and you can make a decision right from there and then but now you don't make that call, and ship happens. This is the reason why, Like I'm just I'm just debating the cost. But do you think that's the same context that they're using it now? Just to be devils. Yeah, I didn't think that case. I checked in with you for the

for the whole time. I got my drugs from you for twelve years straight. Let's make the norm I used to spend in Miami. I try to. I said, you know what, I drop's gonna give me the dry He'll give me the way, he'll ednie gigs, he won't bring it personally gigs and what I wanted to see, you brought it too. God makes a lot of time about what I'm saying that. But no, let me people can

say that was checking antie. I know, no, I'm gonna say that when I landed in Miami and I said, when I'm landing in Miami and I wanted to do yeah, I hate you. You you what you're saying, that's called checking what I'm trying to do. Devil's an avocate, the devil's advocate. The context is different because you're saying you check them with people you knew. These people now are arguing over checking when people they don't know. Well, guess what if you go to a person city, that's exactly

what's gonna happen. This is their city. You don't know these people in the city. You have to meet them. You have meeting. It is different, you know what I'm saying, especially if you're gonna continue to go to that city. It's nothing wrong with saying your trick, trick, what's up, chad of boys with something? I know, I'm old school. I know. You know what I'm saying. You know it's so very old school, you know what I mean, But it is not wrong. You know what's up. I'm here,

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because they don't have to be nice. Could be whatever it could be, whatever, you know, whatever the people from that city wanted to be. That's what it could be. That's what people don't realize. It's like right. So so now, Joe butten, you guys were actually beefing right before y'all started slaughter House. You guys are actually coming at each other. Not not not technically. I mean, he didn't come at me. He didn't come back at me. I was firing off

on him on my mixtape because he started. He just dissed me for no reason. That's how he is, big him up. He's a bergo. That's how we are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry this in case Joe Thaw was coming that had my hurgos and he just dissed me for no reason. Bro, I was like, I gotta call out of nowhere, like, hell, you you know this is Joe Button nigger. I was like, Joe Button, Oh, you didn't know him. I had never met him, because I felt like all y'all knew each

other in the mind. Man, Bro, I didn't know Joe. I didn't know. I didn't know him. I wasn't following him like I wasn't. I'm not gonna say I wasn't a fan because I did. Um. My wife liked his first album. She used she used to play it, so I used to hear some of the songs. Yea pump it up, AM when I used to hear some of the songs and be like, you know, this is a crap like this. So I was aware that he was

a high level with MC. I was aware, but I wouldn't like following his his his independent initially started y'all to even start sparring, bro, What did he say? I wouldn't did this thing. I got myself in this situation, bro, where I was in the battle with Mr Fab. Y'all talked about it on here before Mr I was in the battle with Mr Fab. He smoked me, smoked me, smoked me. So Joe was supposed to be there. I

didn't know I was gonna be in the battle. I wasn't prepared to battle because I can't free stop, so I ain't had nothing written for it. So I was just doing like regular raps and ship Yeah, shout out the chuck from all hip hop. Because he told me I wasn't coming to a battle. He told me something totally different than when I got there. I was just yeah. So Joe never showed up. I was supposed Mr Bab said he put on the show. He said he put

slowed the house together. He's one of the he's one of the kind of like the kid he kind of like the catalyst continue and shot. So you know, so the whole time, you know, like if Joe would have showed up, he was the one, because the whole place was just like Joe. Yeah, he kept saying, he kept saying he was on his way. This nigga kept telling Chuck he was on his way, knowing he wasn't coming. So the whole places like built up in that and we took some from all hip from all hip hop.

My nigga's my nigg even though he lied to me. So he blatantly knew that it was a battle because he knew I wouldn't be in it, like Fante Fante was in it, and then Fante pulled out at the last minute. So I knew something was fishing because everybody kept pull little brother. Yeah. I didn't even know Mr Fab at that point, so it was like they told he was definitely unknown. He was unknown, So I'm like, I'm not knowing this nigg is a freestyle wizard, you know. Yeah,

that's my kid. Yeah, So it's like so I'm like I'm like they like, you're just gonna rhyme versus you're gonna rhyme versus and the crowd is gonna judge him. I get there. Craig g as the host that should have been a flat specialist all the time queens Bridge by the way, all the battles, he was like you ready, you got your raps ready for the battle. I'm like, yo, I'm not here the battle. And he was looking at me like like he knew. He knew, you know what I'm saying. So it was like and then Joe kept

saying he was on the way. He never showed up, you know what I'm saying. Like they was like Joe's brother had just got shot or some ship like that. So it ended up just being me and Mr Fab No other contestants was directly at you. No, no, he freestyles. Know if if he would have directed his raps at me, which he could have did because he's a freestyler, he would have killed me even worse. So he held back and saying I told him, don't direct no raps at I told him before that. I was like, bro, I

come in to battle. You know what I'm saying, don't face me, say nothing about me. And he was just like, all right, cool, I respect that we shook hands. He was cool, so he wrapped his raps, but he was he was kicking battle raps, but he wasn't saying my name. So I just remember him saying something like I get you shot like Choe Brother did or something, you know what I'm saying. Like it was like he was freestyling. So he was already talking about Joe Brother is just

good man, you know what I'm saying. So all while he rapping, I'm sitting and thinking to myself, this is bad. This is bad. So I'll go. I get to Mike and I'm rapping Versus off of my album that I worked I was working on at that time. In the crowd was just like, all right, we came to see a battle, you know what I'm saying. So it's hot.

But literally the only person in the room who don't realize who don't realize the battle so so so you know, like halfway through fab Mr Fab first verse, I realized, Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna win this so um because that I was told you will win up like a prize to win determined though the crowd, judge crowd. It was a pro New York crowd. This is the reason why I actually to all the respect to was.

That's the reason why I took a liking to Mr fab was because he had an l a accent, uh you know California actually excuse me, and he had all this and he kind of like challenged everybody in the crowd, and I was just like, all right, cool. That was dope to me because he was the exact opposite of what we're used to seeing, Like I like, I'm a fan of about a rap. I don't want to battle nobody though. He was like he had on the shirt I think he had on the shirt with like airbrush

on it and shape. He just didn't look he didn't look like nobody that I felt like compete with me and wrapping, you know what I mean. So I was just looking at him like all right, I should be all right, it's just me and this guy. You know what I'm saying, Like I've never heard of him, you know what I'm saying, Like the nigger start rapping? And how did how did you and Joe? That is that how you meet? You and Joe became cool? Yeah? Because okay, so look so after he won that battle, you know,

it was footage of it, so it went on YouTube. Joe, knowing he didn't show up, goes and looks at the footage. So I guess maybe he was a fan of me before and he felt like, oh Royce fell off because look how he looked in this battle. So you know, Joe came just keep his feelings to itself. He got to go public and say the ship and this ain't even podcast Joe, this is just it's just troublemaker Joe.

So he um. He went in interview with DJ Envy and he said some ship about the battle and talked about how I looked like ship in the battle, and Envy was agreeing with him, like yeah, he didn't look realty bad, you know what I'm saying. Like, so there's this whole conversation about how bad I looked in the battle, and I don't have no mic to be able to clarify what really happened. It was just an l I

just had to take. So um. And then Joe makes a song and then in the song he's like, uh something something something something about Mr fab because him and Mr Fad was having words too, and he was like and Royce failed the funk off. So I ain't gonna mention him and none, no, no, done. My phone blew up like crazy to tell me about the song. So I'm like this niggod, this nig is actually saying my name didn't show up for the battle that he did.

He didn't show la that's what you're saying. Yeah, So I'm just taking ls all across the board at this point. So like, so, um, I did, like what the m c s do? You know what I'm saying. I picked up a pen and I told myself, I'm not gonna let up on Joe Button until he responds. He's not gonna say my name. You like five records, right, I can't remember how many. I didn't write no records about him. I just because at that point it was like in my mind it was like I got I want to

beat him. I want to beat him. So like whatever I'm gonna battle somebody, I never just I never just shoot the full clip immediately out the gate. I'll say a line, if you respond, if you respond to it, then I'm gonna go. You know what I'm saying, I really right now, that's the young girl. So I mentioned his name a few times on my mixtape Bar exam and he did some interviews, he said some more stuff. Whatever the case, it didn't seem like that he really

wanted the battle. I ended up finding out later that he was just like he was gonna respond. He wrote some ship. He just never put it out. So, um, the ship that I was dissing him on, he heard that and he was a fan of that. So I guess he heard it and was like, oh, so this nigga didn't fall off. And his boys was telling him, man, I don't think you should dis him, and Keno was telling me stop dissing him. I don't think you should dis him. Y'all should work together. So this nigga caused

me out of nowhere. I'm I'm at the hospital. My first daughter is being born. So he Um, we get on the phone, Joe called, Yeah, and Joe because Keno told me, he was like yo, he he reached out to me through Chuck, who look like the guy. I don't sense to up. I don't sex to up set up. Chuck set me up, fab killed me, and then Joe didn't show up. He sold me out. So so um, we get on the phone and he's like, yo, man, what's up? Man? Like I want to. I got this song. I want to. I want to. I want you to

get on. I started to be like, yo, what's up with that ship? You've been talking? You know what I'm saying. But I just was like, I'm in the hospital about to have my first girl. Keo was like Keno was like, you shouldn't. You shouldn't be dissing him because I wrote some more ships I was about to put out and he was like, no, I don't put that out. You shouldn't put that out. So I didn't want to feel like I was a troublemaker because I think I was

fighting a lot at that time. So I was just like, all right, man, I just pretended like nothing never happened, because that's how Joe is. If you don't like bring it, bring it up to him, he won't talk about it because it's nothing to him, Like it's not. I took it personal. He didn't. I took the ship real personal. I was mad, you know, me and my little brothers to talk about like my seat of snigger, you know what I'm saying, Like he's totally oblivious to him. It's

just rap, you know what I'm saying. So I learned that about him. Once I got to know him, so I was like, well, who's gonna be on the song? He was like, I'm putting you Crooked Eye Joel Ortiz. And I was like, man, that should sound like a slaughter House. And he was like, oh shoot, I think I'm gonna call the song that. So I went, I left the hospital. I left the hospital that night, went later diverse real quick, came right back to the hospital

and sent it to him. He put it out the next day, and that's how slaughter House was for him. I'm not I thought, we're just gonna have to be seven questions later. How you put the grove together? That that's an amazing that's an amazing story, best ship I've ever heard. Look at that and it works. But you know what I learned from that, man, It's like, you gotta stop taking everything personal. Yep, you have to keep

you gotta keep an open mind about relationships. Sometimes we don't run around on everybody's dick, but don't close yourself off from people. I did that for many years. Once I started collaborating with people and being open to just getting to know other sides of people instead of judging them before you really get to know him. I got

to meet some good people. I learned a lot from collaborating, and I achieved a lot of successful ship just standing next to people and playing my playing my position, and also being willing to learn from people. You know what I'm saying. You think you would have made that same decision without the people around you that was telling you, you know, just do it played a part. But I think I had I was. I was at the right age.

I had been through enough. You know, I certainly didn't want to have problems with nobody at that point, you know what I mean. But you know, I still I'm competitive. I'm an m C. I'm certainly not the type of MC you could just say my name, you know what I mean, Like we're gonna you say my name. We're

gonna battle all year. How honored are you so? Um be on the list of people that they say that Eminem didn't body on the record, they said they the list that he bodied people on the record, It's phenomenal. I'm honored just to work with him, man, You know, I'm honored. I'm honored to work with him. Every time we do something. Every time we do something, I still feel it's the same with Preme. I never really like, goddamn, make some noise for me, we get into that, let's

don't work. Yeah, I mean, I just I just you know, when we started working with each other, it was just respect for each other as m c S. I didn't have no idea he was gonna become what he what he became, you know. So um, once we started working and he became like this phenomenon and yeah he was body and everybody, you know, like when he was doing a lot of features with people, that was like his thing. But um, I don't know, man, I kinda we used

to do songs. I just didn't used to feel like I always felt like he killed me on every song. Oh yeah I did. I didn't realize people was gonna be like, yo, you're the only person who body marshal on songs or you still test the time. I couldn't. I can't think on one time my body, not one time. Well, um, now let me ask you the life long hip hop question all time, and I want you to take yourself out of your friendship mode. And I'm just I'm asking the hip hop fan who had the better verse? Are

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go to listen in campaign dot org. That's l I S T N I N C A M P A I g N dot org. Go to listen in campaign dot org to give the gift of hearing today. Yes, please, we'll put it to you like this, my nigga. First of all, the real answer is there is no There is no answer to that question. It's like asked. It's like asking somebody better between big and it's keep. It's based off your your preference. They provided you two different

things that you can't really compare now. If you want to go if you want to go deeper, I'm a whole stand that retigate whole versus light work for whole, light work, light work, light work, kind of listen that m verse light work. Me and M did that song and just threw it away. We did the song. It was like you was the actually that was my record. He produced it right and he produced it, right, So your versus was whole with Hold. Water was taking my

verses out and Hold. He sent it to Hold with holes in it, and Hold just wrapped and filled it in. Damn right, damn right, you fucking sucking up the whole poet. You came here for a reason. Don't hit them, Okay. So that describe subscribe how this happens you. You guys do the record. Jay Z flies to Detroit, I imagine, no California. They sent the records, sent it, sent it and m sends Jay there. It's just just what it was, the same as act record. Yeah, he had been asking,

He had been asking them, and they've been both. Their schedules was crazy, so they kept missing each other. So um he asked him. Him called me, was like, Yo, I'm I'm thinking about giving jay Z this Renegade record. What you think would you be cool with that? And I just felt like it was cool to he even asked me because technically it wasn't my record no more.

We we did two records, and I was supposed to just pick one of them for me to use the other one, but you know what I mean, Like Renegade was just something we felt like we can, we could do better. I felt like we could do better, you know, So we took my verses off, took my listen, you yo, I'm not saying we was right. I'm not saying it was right. I just I'm just saying, maybe maybe they

just said that's what you basically said. Listen. Maybe it's maybe we just had like a maybe I had like a picture in my head, or maybe I had something in my mind that I felt like we needed to be doing at that time. And maybe I was just trying to shape ship according to my album, but I wasn't. I mean, I felt like it was good. It became great when they did it, when we were doing it, I felt like it was good, you know what I mean. Like I didn't think it. I didn't think it was that,

you know what I mean. So my part of the hook got taken out, My verses got taken out, and he sent it to Jay like that. We still and when Jay says his part, that's never been afraid to say what's on my mind? I mean, I still I still said that. I said that part, but my version of it. Old took it and rewrote his part to say Cove's way but it was the same words, just never been afraid to say just the same words. It's oh yeah, because he was like because jigga, jigga like

that part. At first it was because royce'ster can't get Detroit and I'm just saying this to Mr kiss my asses Justice. So he just switched. As the version exists somewhere, what's all long? Would you? Yeah? Well that put that up doubt Now what what what do you feel about the ghost right and ship? Because it's very favorite stories. You ghost writing for a lot of people? Really, I think he mentioned a couple of them already. Yeah, I mean everybody who who I wrote without? It's pretty much

public knowledge. I tweeted this the other day too. I never secretly wrote for nobody, contrary to popular belief. I don't know why people think that, but I really haven't. So who did you write for? Publicly? I wrote for Puff, that's right, Hen't afraid to say that? Not Yeah, I wrote for Dre I wrote them. Afraid to say that I wrote the message on the chronic album I wrote. I wrote tell Me with Christina Aguilera for Puff on the Space Hold On You A R and B Burgers Too.

Version I thought you made Christina. I said, what on the song that I know? I thought you make you wrote with Christina Alara. I'm like, Nick, what's the one? Okay? I wish, but um, yeah, I wrote that. I wrote up the original Exploment. Oh yeah, yeah, I wrote yeah with some of the Ship that I wrote on Dre album that didn't make the album. Some of that is like on he said, the original Explosion record another I took a I'm trying. Is there anybody else? I don't

think I wrote for nobody else? Oh yeah, bro, for who cannabis? Cannabis? Say that? Oh yeah, who, Who's who? You write for cannabis? Come on? He got serious. I totally forgot all about that. Man. It's something serious, right, it was. I was in I was in the lab one time. Oh my god, he's gonna he's gonna want

to kill me for this. But I was in the lab with cannabis back in the day and ships and he um, I don't know, man, he must have reached like a point in his life man where he just kind of like throwing his hands up with this ship. So he was like, we were like working on the song and ship, and I laid my verse, and he was like, yeah, man, that ship sounds crazy. And he was like should You can probably just go ahead and

write the whole song if you want to. And I was like, what you know, you hear somebody say some ships just can't quite believe it, so you make him repeat it just to make sure you ain't tripping. So I was like you, what'd you say? So he basically was asking me to write the whole song, so I would just I was like, listen, bro, you a legend. Bro Like, I started just talking him off the edge, talking to him off the ledge, and I was just in my mind thinking to myself, I can't do this.

You know, like you cannabis, my nigger, You're a cannabis. So it's just like we end up we did. We did the song, and he ended up writing his verse. But if he if he, if I would have wrote it, he would have let me this cannabis is cannabis, of course. And before the battle that he did, this is what I'm saying after this is this is post post alien cannabis. That's that's the good the alien is. When he had he had the battle with no rhymes, cannabis, Oh my god,

did you see that for this. Come on, man, let's not that's my man. I love him, I know, I know, but I'm just saying, but he did this before. It was before that. It was before. It was a while back. It was a while back. It has to be before that. So cannabis actually the writers wrong. I forgot all about it. This just brought it back to my testa. Man. I wanted to forget it. Keno got un. I'm saying out to cannabis to take cannabis, want to take in a way.

But Royce did get asked to right as around one day. I'm just saying that that's it. That's one time. That's just kind of crazy. Bro. Now, slaughter House, you and Joey have this little quarrel. How does joe I mean, uh, we don't understand the song, but and then we understand that the name of the song was actually called slaughter How do y'all take it serious? From there? How do

y'all say all? You know what? It went so fast, bro, we um as soon as the reaction happened to the song that was back, I was just starting to become a little bit in that savvy. Joe was already in that savvy from from the gate. He had a really really really good understanding how to market things via the Internet, and just he was he had a good day, he had a good gage, just when things were special verses, when they were just regular verses and it didn't matter

at all. So he hit me back with Keeno on the three way again. So he says, he says, yo, he said, he said, you see that. You see the reaction, right, And I was like, I kind of seen it a little bit. He was like, yeah, man, we gotta do more ship, We got to do more stuff. I was like, all right, man, I'm cool. I'm cool with that. He was like I told him. I was like me and you should me and you should do some more ship, like we should do an album or something. And Keno

was like, all, y'all nigga should do an album. Y'all all should do it. He's saying the house. So I was like, I was like, now, at that time, I'm gonna go even deeper. I forgot about this. Yeah, I was a drunk. So at that time I heard of Joe l Ortiz and I was aware that he was a monster, right crooked. I was aware that he was a monster Crooked I didn't really like because I asked that negg to do a song and he told me, yeah, he never did it. So I took that ship first.

I mean, yeah, that's how I used to be. That's how I used to be. I used to take everything personal, all right, all right, so um and Crook that is coming off of death Row. Yeah now he was yeah, yeah it was it was was he still yeah, it was kind of okay. Yeah. So um, I was like, all right, man, whatever we could do that. So we started every time I would go to New York. She basically wasn't feeling that idea. No, I was not that I wasn't feeling it just wasn't like now I was.

I was in to do whatever. I was in to do whatever. But my first impulse, my first instinct was for me and Joe to do more ship. So when when it when it came, like, when the idea came, now you should stay working with all of them, yeah, just do it do it like that, like okay, So I was like cool. I was cool with that idea too, but I just knew I had to kind of like get to know dudes and ship like that. So what we did was we ran an idea by everybody, and

everybody was with it. So we were just all whenever we were playing times to go to New York and then we would meet up at Joe's crib talk about forming a group on camera and ship like that and let the internet kind of follow ship as it manifested itself organically into whatever it was gonna be, you know. So and then it was like, in the meantime, we'll

we'll continue to do music together. So the next song we did was a song called Onslaught, And that's when we realized that, you know, like, because I was at the very beginning when we all of us felt like we want to each of us felt like we want to have the best verse on every song. So that's when we got a dose motherfucking Crooked Eye. He came in late, heard our verses, laid his ship, and I was just like, all right, man, well if he had the best version over, you know what I'm saying. So,

I mean it just started working like that. So before we even did the album, we was already doing the Rock the Bells tour. We was already touring together as a group. So I had heard that um I had read obviously, I forget what your magazine that it was like, uh uh, Slaughterhouse was Eminem's version of the Firm, Like I forget what. Yeah, but keep in mind they were successful independently before I'm assuming before m even thought about sign firm. Yeah, as soon as um, as soon as

we put the album out on EAT one. In the first album I thought the first album was on Yeah, that's the second second they were touring. I remember, y'all. Yeah, I saw like a lot of stuff on the internet that y'all, it was really successful independently. Yeah, we pretty much. Um, we found the sailing, We found our sailing independently. Yeah, I'm told with Tech nine, right, we put the shout

out the Tech nine that's my guy. We put the album out on EAT one, and there's a number one independent album in the country and makes a noise of that guy, Darren. So when we did that, when we did that, that got the attention to Shape, That got the attention of all the major labels. And that he was already like, no, friends with the people from Shady he was friends with them. No, not really, And just sit backtrack a little bit. Why hadn't you had a

project on Shady. I mean we talked about it because me and Marshall stopped talking. So that was the reason why it was gonna happen. If that hadn't happened, Oh well, yeah, I think so, because uh he he established that company a little bit after I saw him. You remember, like I got a deal right after him. It was like yeah, and I saw good Man said I'm used to it, so we we um he got a deal, he got his deal. I started working with him, and I immediately

signed this deal with Tommy Boy. Seeing me, they're saying, I'm sorry when I got When I got to deal with Tommy Boy, I never had a problem getting a deal again. After that, I went right to Sony. After time By dropped me, I went to Sony and got another million dollars, you know what I'm saying. So I did that. By that time, Shady was already established, but I never was in a position where it was like, yeah,

I need a record deal. He executive produced my album on Sony, so he was always a part of it, but we just never did it on his on his label. So after we stopped talking, ship, so many years went by, so much happened in his life, so much happened in my life. So when we formed slaughter House, that when we signed the deal with Shady with slaughter House, that was me and M's first time actually sitting down like

in this manner. We talked on the phone a couple of times, but just the way we're sitting and talking now and just reflecting as men. It was after the slaughter House deal. Yeah, but how many other niggas was hey, and let's just keep it real, Hayden, Like who like, you know, because all of them niggas know that you know, ever House, Like I mean, like I mean this is because I know a lot of niggs were like, damn, like you noticed, we don't bro you know what? Many

everybody was just so happy, just so happy to be. Yeah. It was kind of like we was in our We was in this in this situation in our lives where it was like Motherfucker's had wrote us off years ago, you know, So it was like it was like another shot at this ship on a major scale, you know what I mean. So everybody was just happy to everything we went through individually to form this group out of nowhere.

We didn't plan it. It just happened. And now we're sitting in the room with this motherfucker who was like a megastar. Hey, you know, man, Like you can't really gauge how anybody feels their first time sitting around him, because whenever I'm around them and I see people meet him for the first time, they're never theirselves. People weirdest funk around him, man. So it's like it's all yeah, man, it's like it's crazy to see some Beatles, you know that type of yeah. So it was just, you know,

definitely no, definitely, no hate. Everybody was just everybody was happy. Man. So now Joe Biden again, he has a show. His show is lit. He can choose to use his platform in a way where if his opinion matters, and his opinion because swayed people a certain way, he shouldn't, but he doesn't. Eminem drops this album, Joe goes on, and Joe says, I don't remember. I don't want to word for word his words, so I don't remember. But it basically, in power phrasing, he's saying this album is not m

it's not good. Everyone is mad. If he sent goes on, he threatens him, say he's gonna get an ask whipping, and you as a sort of house brother, you as a brother to Eminem, you as a friend of Eminem and as a friend of Joey. Where do you stand in that? How do you feel at that very moment? I mean told him how I felt. I'm kind of like man told I told Joey how I felt about it? You know, like has one second? Let me interrupt for

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They're streaming it right now, so don't wait. Michael being Bone, I'm at a point man where I don't really like talking about it, and we're gonna talk about it. But I'm just gonna tell you why before. Every time I say something about it, man, it's like this, the topic excelf itself grows new legs again. Like Joey got this thing man, where he can't stop. He can't stop mentioning things for views, even at the expense of like how his friends feel and ship like that, Like he caught

up in his world right now. So it's like, that's not really my character, it's not my personality. It's like to keep talking about something that's not even really it's not important to him. He hasn't talked about it, you know what I'm saying. Like Joe went on there and he said something about the song. It's a song, Um that input out. Joe said a bunch of badshit about the song. I felt like Joe went a little too hard,

especially especially knowing you have a deal with this. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I feel like he entitled to his opinion. You know, he's entitled to his opinion. It's very difficult to talk about it and talk about the execution of it without it looking like you're trying to tell him he can't have his opinion, you know

what I'm saying. So it's like I'm always real careful with what I um, what I say, and what I don't say in regards to him, you know what I mean, Because this is like the sting looming now, where's like every time I say something, everybody is like looking at me like I'm just rights again, keeping keeping for the white boy, like being being too loyal that they're trying to say. Yeah. But the thing about it is when we have a sense of history, we have to sort

of respect that history. Meaning it's like, and I'm gonna say this, and I'm probably sure he's gonna be mad for saying me saying this, but trag is my man, right and trash. You know, he recently called me about something said and I immediately said sorry because I didn't mean to say what I said what it got us or what I said and so immediately I said sorry,

And I think he didn't even was expecting that. I think he was just like, oh ship what like he wanted me to be the old normy where I was like and I was so so what I'm what I'm trying to say is you, on one hand, jokes should have he should have his opinion. But on the second hand, it's a it's a it's a sort, it's a sign of disloyalty. It's a sign because at the end of

the day. And if I'm just use you for example, because you just came from the bathroom, right, if and you open up a pizza shop, right, your piece is hard, right,

I appreciate what I'm just saying. Please just use PiZZ Sorry, I'm still gonna over there on Wednesdays because my brother, because I'm your brother, and I'm gonna just open up, like if you ever asked me, you know, how do you like the pizza, then I'm gonna tell you, not in front of people though, from the public, and no, no, no, if it's a camera around, But guess what, as a brother, I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna still go to a

piece of shop on Wednesdays. That's just it was one of those things where it was like, Okay, when I when I first seen it, loyalty wasn't really what popped into my head. It was more like a respect respect thing, you know what I mean, respecting loyal brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so um than just you know, the verbis has been like the verbiage that's been used. It's been sparkling all kinds of different different conversations and opening up all kinds

of different new narratives and ship like that. It's just been like it's like a it's like a playground for like semantics and you know what I'm saying, like twisting words around and ship like that. But the very rawest way look at it, it's just you use the wrong words talking about somebody. You don't have to be loyal, just be respectful, not just with Marshall, with anybody, you

know what I mean. Like there's a difference in me saying I'm not feeling that than me saying that ship trash throw it in rice, you know what I'm saying. It's like, so when I looked at that, it wasn't you know, Marsha was mad. It was ill because I didn't really even talk to him about it like that. Not that big of a deal, But it's just kind of unfortunate to see somebody that you cool with to do that kind of ship at this juncture in our careers,

you know what I'm saying. It's just like, damn, it's like you're just throwing relationships away for no reason, you know what I'm saying. So it's just like, it's just from where I was sitting, how I felt it just so happened. It Right after it happened, I go on this press run and it's it's getting brought up to me and I'm mentioning it, and I guess I'm not being as as careful as I could have been with

the words I'm choosing, you know what I'm saying. So that's why it keeps turning into the conversation over and over again. But at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal. It's just he gave his opinion, he did it his way, it got received a certain way. I've seen it. I picked up on it. I told him how I felt about it, and that was really it. It wasn't really Yeah, we'll see, that's bizarre. You know, it's a it's a personal thing. We don't

like niggas. Don't like niggas talking like that about their friends. I'm the same way about all my friends or even when Joe, you know, like that's my that's my nigga. So it's like when he did the battle, um, when when he did my battle, the shady battle, the shady battle with hollow the dun huh shop. I looked the world right and they face and Ebro asked me in front of the whole world, who just won that. I was like, ship Joe did. Now, I'm not gonna lie you out of your mind. You I'm gonna tell you

what it wasn't it was. It wasn't a soul that could get me to say that my nigga just lost it. All that's because you were the lawyer said that's it. That's all I'm saying. So it's like, pardon me for looking at it like that. It's just the type of person that I am. But don't mean I'm right. It just mean that's how I feel. You know what I'm saying. Nothing's gonna sway my judgment from that, So right, I respect that man. That's grown man talk. You know what

I'm saying. And you know, as a journalist, you know, I had to look at and and um, you know, thinking what Joe but Come was coming from. But um, you know, and I respect to shut out of him, you know what I mean. But sometimes it's just like, you know, my opinion with my family is just gonna be my opinion with my family. And and that's just basically it, you know what I mean. I want to respect him. I understand what he does. I actually acknowledge

what he does. And I actually think what he do is is dope and his world, you know what I'm saying, He's on his world and when we get the same and but you know, when it comes to family, I would rather keep family business within family. Like there's a whole bunch of ship I can tell you about the poem right down. I'm gonna wait until next week. The first time I seen that's between me and then that's my brother. I love him, and that's that's it's gonna ride.

And he canna tell you a bunch of ship about me, And that's great. The first time I saying Capone, you know, I never met him. I never met Capone. The first time I seen him was here in Miami, way back in the day when they used to rent the scooters when we came here. I've seen him, bro. He was wow wilding out on the police, wilding out on the police, and he got arrested. Goddamn it, that's like the middle then you can rest was he was wilding out on

the pet arrested. And I'm gonna tell you something. The police are scared of ship. They're scared of ship. Remember that he was crazy. Remember that you here with me when that when Capone was down here wilder, They're gonna shoot you out here, right. That's let's sake some looise for those days when you could talk about I don't

know that and be black. But nowadays, drosprepable is not happening that sweet Let's be quiet and know that's real, man, because Ferguson how you feel about things like that, man, U, you know, being a black man, like you know, I'm being honest with you. I said this on the podcast a couple of times. Um. One time I just left my house and I had it to the store. My wife was like, I'll drive You's like all right, cool.

I jumped in the drain of my wife. My wife put on a hoodie, she had no makeup, and she sincerely just drove to the store on a hoodie. I can't do that as a black man. As a black man, if I get in a car, I got the Yeah. Like, I literally looked at my wife. I hated on my wife for twelve seconds. Yeah, I was like, I kind of hate you. You know, she's a Latina's you know, she's Cubans Puerto Rican and the cops don't people funk about her having a hoodie on, and that ship fucked

me up. I mean, it's it's it's it's disheartening, man, it's disheartening. It's it's just and it's it's not just now happening, man. Like if you think back, if you think back then when Iced team made cop Killer, because these guys from these errors, man, they put their lives on the line, like Iced Tea took the cops to war for us so we can have more freedom in our speech. Yeah, so cop Killer, cop Killer came from cops killing black kids, you know what I mean. So

this is something that always was going on. We just got the internet, so we were privy to the information faster and you can't that you can't sneak that ship past us. We see more of it. I mean, it's happening more, but it's always fucking existing, bro always. My big brother, My big brother just got arrested. Um, he had a gun on him. He was at the liquor store. The first thing I thought of was like, shoot, that

could have been way worse. He could have died because it was like, you know, they just they seen him walking to the door and they just ran down on him, grabbed him up. Said he looked like he had a pistol on him. Grab him up and he had a pistol on him. What if he to try to run? The shot him, you know what I mean? So it's God bless. Now, being from Michigan, I would like you to describe the Flint what a crisis and what because a lot of people think that this is still unresolved.

It's still unresolved. A lot of people think this is actually like an Instagram thing. A lot of people don't think this is real. A lot of people think that this is like color correction. This is um what's it called photo shop? Can you describe or what's what's going on? Off there to your nomics. You want me to describe it, like you want me to run down, like what's going on or what where they are with it? Is they're getting better? You know, it's not it's it's it's definitely

not getting better. It's it's definitely a it's a corrupt it's a corruption situation. It's a political thing. Yeah, of course, of course, just like with anything else. And I don't really know what the funk we could do to rectify it. I know a lot of people donated money. I'm not so sure where the money went, you know what I mean, Like, I don't I don't know where they are with fixing it. I don't know, man, Like the world is so fucked

up and there's so much stuff happening. It's kind of hard to keep up with everything that's sucked up, you know, Like Detroit is just coming we're just coming back from bankruptcy. Man, it's a city. There's so much going on. There's so much going on in our story. But I remember I went to Detroit one night and I went to like a casino and it was lit. And then I drove off the casino for six blocks there was no lights. Six blocks straight. I was like, oh, I thought it

was lined up. Ever, I was like, oh, they on it, get us like somebody's coming from somewhere and six and then and then it looked back up again, and I was like, this is amazing. But no one never put that on the news back then. No one never, like, because they don't want to expose the whole They called motor City for a reason. The whole industry was destroyed in that area, and they don't want to put that on the news and destroys the old country. You know,

we we own a resurgence right now. You know, usually when things get that bad, only good ship can happen after that. That's right. So that's right. We got a lot of we got a lot of artists doing their thing, a lot of artists deals, a lot of artists getting recognition. Big big up, big up, my brochean. It's like, you know, and it's it's a lot the areas are improving, you know what I mean, Like it's a good it's a good place to buy real estate. You know, it's just

it's just turning. It's turning back into that beautiful motown fielded it used to be. That's in our lineage. Okay, so I gotta come more questions before I go, because I'll take a bathroom break. I seemed to go a bathroom break. It's cheating, um, But this is one of the funniest questions I've been wanting to ask forever. Right now, I'm not talking status. I'm not talking money. Who's the most famous rapper in the world. I say Snoop Dogg

in the world, in the world. Now, I'm not talking Look, jay Z, PAULF and m they're all famous, and but that that's all. We're talking money. No, No, you just meaning this. You're man, who's the most famous rapper currently? Period? Because if you're talking fame, you gotta that's Snoop is the most every Snoop is one of Snoop is one of the most iconic. For sure. I'm I'm not saying like like like business wise. I'm saying you're saying recognizable.

You're recognizable. It's gotta be Snoop man. Come on, Royce, go rode me, Royce, come on, Chris Eminem though you think about it, let me think about it. Bro I don't think about it. But now it's not gonna be not right now, right, I don't think right now now, right now, right now in general is now everybody is grandmother says something about Snoop doggy Dog's not generational. You just mean it's kind of his famous. Everyone knows what snoopid.

You would be hard pressed if somebody didn't recognize Drake anywhere. No, no, okay, I don't agree. I don't know. I don't agree. He's still like ten years in the game, so you have to have ten years of listening to music. Snoop is yeah, of course, of course Stoopid is up there. But I don't know why. I say, Eminem Marshall, Marshall, Marshall King, but Kanye is still kind of his kind and definitely nothing.

That's what. No one knows who the fund he is in Marshall Marshall can't even he can't even wear like a costume and not get recognized. I think all they have to see it's like his chain in his nose and they know. And I'm telling you from the country's I've been to. No but I think I think Snoop is a good choice. Though brout there listen his hands in is first off, he's probably one of the most famous people ever, right, I think he went diamond in Ireland.

There was something crazy like what I'm saying is even him he has a particular crowd. Jay Z has a particular crowd. Snoop doesn't. He's like ungentrified. I don't know if that's the word. I'm pretty sure we know what you mean. Yeah, I still think it's I think Emmin and stop actually are I think is this is this just limited to two artists because we had this conversation partist hip hop, we had this conversation. We had this conversation about celebrities period. I want to see what you

mean these people we were gonna get. That's I mean a little different though you're all ready for this Barack Obama. It's the most recognizable person, yes, okay, I agree in this motherfucker in years. Yes, there is no there is nobody that's more recognized. He's the most missed right now. Yeah, but I still think Snoop is the most Listen his voice too, his voice too, Listen, Sloop. Everyone knows who

we are. They're like they like even if your grandma's corner like Snoopy, Snoop like a cool like Jade, look at me jade pop, and they did the best financially, you know best financially, but they all got reach still level of finances and kind of fell back. Snoop just never. Snoop does all kinds of different genres of music and he got it. Just drive the gospel album he's killing. Just make noise for Snoop the week from Bill Red

Sloop driving the Gospel out. Drenk Champs alumni, Drink Champs and alumni, thank you for being the part of Drink Champs early. But um, I just for me, for me personally, I think Snoop is the most famous. I think his neck and neck him and them. I think I think his neck and neck with him and Barack about rappers. Bro, you're going to a whole the world, all right, But I just say there, but he said, he said in general,

I'm saying Snoop and Rock is neck and neck. They can both go to Hawaii and Snoop by your mom before Barack. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just I'm just telling you be I've been with Snoop everywhere like I have to, but the only place they don't marvel was in l A. Because they're just like I think it was. Yeah is that listen listen the other day, right, it must be three hundred and sixteen pounds, right, So yeah, So I used to place that I moved to a

jogged every day six six like almost six years. I tried to just jogging, right And when I first moved there, all these guys they would love to see me. Yo, I just jogged in yesterday. The things is likely what was this? That? What is? But what I'm trying to say is they get tired of everybody. But what I'm trying and if you understand what I just said, they get used to you. They so I'm nothing to see these guys right now, I jogged birthday on you show.

Once you show them you accessible, that's it it because maybe you become you become a person now you that hip hop? Yeah, of course you know a after they get like after they get used to you, they really just like you actually either have to have another hustle, another scheme, another oil. They don't they really don't funk with you. They like that with the verses, the songs.

Even when I got a car, like the first car I bought, when I started making money again, it was like I was driving it and it was like, damn, they go Royce that car. Two weeks later it was like, I ain't nothing but a cart car, ain't I'm saying. So, it's just like you put out a song, they loved the song, put you put it out again. It's kind of in the same chamber. Then it's like, all right, now what else can you do? But that ever bothered

you about rap? When you where after they get used to you, you're not really as appreciated because even whole like hold four for fourth, it was as a dope album, but they gave one week go than a half a week or two. They moved on this. This is the generation we live and it's the disposable. But I don't think it exclusive to hip hop right now. I think that's yeah, yeah, I'm just saying that. Yeah, they don't

bother me at all, you know what I mean? Like, if anything, it gives you a better understanding of what you're dealing with, and you you know you can you learned man that it's not really it's much about you what you think it is as artists, it's more about the service you could provide. I would say, you know, but you know you know, I don't think what we're realizing that's happening right now. We could literally put out something wait a second, and put it out again. Yeah,

that's the crazy motherfucker's new. People will be like, oh, this is a new ship that just came out. Now you're not gonna say it's news, but you can literally put it out again, and it's like it's new guys. Algorithms are changing and it's just hitting new people. And that's something that I think people aren't realizing that's happening

right now. You don't know because we're not We're not the ones making the technology, because you know why, I don't know exactly what you mean, what what it means is like back in the days, we just thought the record and you would know within that first month or two if this record is reacted or not, and then you would move on. You would say I'm moving to the next single, or you say I'm gonna keep pushing this tell us all six of months later. But here's

the crazy thing. We I just threw out the record, what for real? And I'm thinking, okay, it did fair then decent, you know, we gotta whatever, And the guys just like so I keep pushing to drop the video with me, and for which this is, this is, this is right now, this recond this is this is so I said, and the guys that said please, we don't

actually want to drop the video. So I'm like, why, like because we have seven million streams on the actually record and once we dropped the video like the ship drop, and I was just like, the moment is not the error I come not know. I'm a dinosaurs saying, we got to realize this. I don't have a plaque. I'm middle rolled, I'm right in the middle of my rollout right now, and I'm learning new ship because you know, just introducing the whole streaming aspect into it, it just changes.

It changes everything from what it used to be. When I first got to the bas we survived like three different three different So when they told me that, they're like, they're like because because I couldn't believe it, Like I was like, they weren't in the rush to come to put out the video I'm talking about we're like almost like six seven months away away, and they're like, he'll look glory through because in their minds they're like, fun, let's just keep getting the streams it pays other and

I understand it, but I just don't understand it because how much I'm traditionally trained how the business ran. And I realized I was a dinosaur. I should the funk up. I shut the funk up. And I was like, all right, cool, you know what I mean. But at the same time, so now hold on, hold on, hold on, you keep it going. I see you take a piss. I ain't gonna You're gonna move Royce out to take a pisall. Yeah, I want to forget. So scams down here, Scam, just

just walk over at least over here. So this is my brother, Scam. You guys know each other. Can you tell me a little something about how you met scam? Scam? You gonna tell you? Tell us how you met each other. I don't even remember. Oh you know what, I'll tell you what I do remember? Shaky Green Game? Was it game Records? Right when they was doing Bad Meat to EV? Weren't even talking about those projects too? Were those independent joints? Just Vinyl? Yeah, just find with but you had like

singles with just saying just you by yourself? Um? Yeah, well actually and this during the timing, boy, this is this is during my next deal, the Sony deal. Okay, so um yeah, one of the one of the one of the singles from off of there. What we would do was I did the album before I gave it to Sony and then Shaky Green from Gang Records. He had the rights to do the singles from off the album, so he had like this vinylity he would do where he would put like the half naked girls on the

on the cover. I thought there was a point coming trade up like that. You know, they were actually porn stars on the cover. I don't know if it was something sometimes it was on my cover. DJ. I enjoyed getting those those records. Yeah, that was that was that was the plan. That was amazing records. You doing CrossFit right now. I was trying to man, I was trying to up up. So um, you can't interrupt. I'm so sorry. Definitely, I will not CONTI he was finishing up. But we're

bringing up out him and scamming to each other. So I remember, I mean, I'm seeing the past and you know what I'm saying, like Detroit, scam scared Miami, Carol City, Man, how did you meet? What type of listen documentary? But scam got a whole story with M and everything that goes on. So so all right, I mean me and him. He wasn't from New York, so he was just like none of us met M. Follows your lawyer, right yeah? He was like, uh yeah, all of that. He was

the undergrounds lawyer, like all the underground dudes. Is he your lawyer too? Nah? He? Um, I met Paul through M two. He was he was a M's lawyer and um, M should started taking off. He he just start focusing on management full time. He actually worked at the firm. Um cutlers at him. Yeah, with DEO set up lawyer. Yeah no you know yeah, yeah, so THEO was my lawyer and he worked at the front. Paul worked at

the firm. Yeah. Did you you got to meet though when you took him to the source, right, Na, Na, I'm Royce just came through. I don't know, I don't know what you was you traveling with us when he was starting. Na. We we did a couple of stops when he before he got the deal, Like when he went to Swaye. I was with ya all that night. Y'all went up the stretching Bob. But they Paul kind of wanted it to be like just Detroit and the

excluded Miami or he thought of he was New York Paul. Yeah, no, he just he was a yeah, they were pro Detroit. Like you know what I'm saying, you can't even had them, you know what I'm saying. But like he was saying, when you when you were younger, you like, what the fuss they got wrapped him? But you know, yeah, I see what they was trying to do, you wrapped or he was just he had a song. That song that's I even got the underground ship that you do with scam.

That understand he's talking about scam. Oh that's the all moment right there. And not to get too deep into it, but you too source right, Yeah, I mean Rige Morales unsigned hype that Riggs was in scam. Regor's was going on, you're not paying for bills no more. Let's card to be around. Come on, let's look my guy. Ain't Juli agree one? He was like, Yo, you want to you want to you know, rush on this before Stress magazine puts it out shout to Stress, you know what saying.

Rigor was boom, you did it rand next month and then it was just like, but you took him over them. Yeah, me and took the stuff over there, took them to to get on side the hype. This is, this is very deep allegations. No, it's not allegations. This is this is my brother, so it's very deep. Paul was just passing the bar or I think he was just passing the bar rick Posada. He was the and R e lecturer. He hooked me up with him, and Paul didn't really

know the underground like that. So you want smoke brouse, I think that's a silver Chad's the case. Man. You know this is you know this eminem Stands is like Barbies. I'm just throwing it out there. They were the first Barbies stands. You don't want the Stands in your comments right now. You better make sure everything you say is correct. I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying. The bottom line, he didn't really know the underground, dude, so he gave

it to me. You know what I'm saying. I heard it. And you know the Detroit Cats they say things kind of like Miami. They say Finnim get stuck stole. I never heard nobody that wasn't from Miami. To say any of that is true, Royce, you finna get stuff stolen and stuff because I just don't give a fuck, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, Okay, I can tell he was white, just like Front of Tonality. But I was like, Yo, it was dope, but this

is you're hearing it from Paul showing it too. You yeah, yeah, And I was like, Yo, if it's dope, I get that. Everybody need to get to you know what I'm saying. Then he took it a stretch stretching Bob. So how did you already have these connects with Oh, that's just with my art, Like I was just in New York just because you know he did damn I had to tape and and then what stretching Bob making print calls?

I actually had that tape. No, but you know, he did the artwork for be Trying in Life trip called Quest goddamn It. And he did the first album all the artwork inside goddamn It. So how did you go from doing underground work with scam Scam? How did you go from getting to do the to to doing the artwork. That's what I'm saying. No, we was, We was hanging out and you said, fucking I'm not gonna be an artist. I could actually design. There was no separation between church

and state. For me. That's I'm art for music. I'm all that ship and was a skater. He was he's a skater, Yeah, a skater. Skate No not, he just said he told me that about a little bit. Folasco man, a little bit Folasco. I never I don't live in Fiansco. He's that one Flasco A little bit, a little bit, a little bit. But I tell you one thing, me and him and him was in Tom Squares arguing about

whether jay Z was doping not so. At the time of jay z Oh Ship, this was like very important when he was still running college radio before like like like well like all the underground stations they used to play I understand what you're saying. I forgot dead President Death President like a little after that. But they was like, I was like, you know whatever, But he checked me, and he's checked you both of that, mainly him. He was just like, yo, I see it in his face.

He checked you. Definitely checked. He was like, but what what what do you know? What? What songs you know? And I was like, I don't need to know anything. I know the singles, You're like, you don't need to listen to it. So after that, I made it a point to always listen to some ship before I talk about it. You know what I'm saying. It was from from that and that That's just always been my philosophy ever since that. A lot of times I had to come back and be like, oh, I see what they

were talking about. You know what I'm saying. Reasonable, that was like a bible. Man, It's like a bible. I fought for that album all barbershops. But boy said, I wouldn't get back to the most genuine hip hop question ever in hip hop because you said earlier, dodge the question, Okay has down if you had to pick one unequivarate, Really, it's not because it's your man. Is did not because the guy you grew up with it for the sake of hip hop. If you had to save hip hop,

he had to say who had the better verse? Oh I dodged the question. Yeah, he didn't want to renegade Joy because I got want more for him too. Because I just want you to I want you to answer it again. I want you to reiterate, Okay, you want to go down that your hit past that away renegade M one renegade like I I like him verse, I like MS versus better right, because how he was rapping on it is what I just prefer. Okay, but it's you can't really say it's better than holes verse because

a lot of hood people relate to holes first. More because what m was saying was super lyrical that it kind of went over a lot of people's hat. Okay, what was the better disrecord, nas etha or whole takeover comes? That's a loaded question, BROO, don't know what that means? Can I D I don't know. You better ask it right because I'm from queen what Okay, relationship with Chance I love that was? That was that bias? That was

Let let me tell you something. And I had the longest argument in the studio with Jlek about this ship your jail electronic. Let me just tell you something. And when you love you, you are new rock him, You are new nas Why are you dodging a dipping needs to take place and put your crown on. We don't understand that, We don't know that, but we want to encourage you wherever you at to put your motherfucking crown on and take fucking hip hop the way you're supposed

to take hip hop. Motherfucker, it's yours. Make some noise for that, and that's a great brother talk right there. I apausized, scared. No, it's all good. I agree. I'm listening either one right one w O na ye like like as in past are Ether one in the battle that was the napalm bomb, So that song has to get this respect as the best. Wait, I feel like you're sending this up for the wrong way, and it's very political way. He's sober, continue and we're talking about

the best record ether one right take over. If we just analyzing songs, it had way more lines this we would disagree. I just really it's a great record. Though a great record, NAS had better execution and better timing, and that those are two Those are two elements in battles that are so important that people overlook. You mean, you can why super Ugly wasn't taking because it wasn't the wrong thing to say that at that time. Yes,

that's why I would murder move battle somebody. He wins sometimes and it's not because he's being more lyrical is because he's saying the right ship. You know what I'm saying. It ain't always about being has something to do with it, always about being the better MC. A lot of people don't like the Ether beat a lot of people, I think, and I think the way that they positive like they did all the right. I like it because because of

what Nas did to it. I like because Nas did to it, and I like it because he also made jokes about it, because battling should be that serious. When he called him j J Evans, you called you that ship was sold, took it back. It was it was snapping on on and at Homes took it so serious. And I, hands down think Ether is better than UH take Over. And I think it's better than Super Army. And I love jay Z, I love Rockefeller. They've been cutting me checks for over twenty years. I don't want

to stop our relationship at all. Yeah, but I also have to be truthful, and I think that they respect my truthfulness. Ether was more effective. It was more effective, and because it is, and if you don't remember, I see a lot of people wasn't really around that day those days, but Nas was receiving blows from every single plus you get. You can't that NAS was the underdog at that point as well. I can't say the other dog. I gotta say that game at that point. But let

me finish. I gotta say that when to your acknowledgement, he was the other dog because Jay was right there trying to beat it, trying to be right above him at the left was now he was not at that He tried to tell you something, it's all hip hop and pinion. This is not at that point in time. At that point in time, I was on Columbia with Nas, people were treating. When his name came up, it was coming up in the context of like he finished. So

then that's what I'm saying. He was was like running ship. Yeah, that's jay Z was running ship. So it was like, that's the reason why he took the shot of the par take over. He was coming when he was coming, and he felt that too. When he was coming at night, he was everybody was like, Nas just finished, got hold of coming at him, hold his bulletproof at that time.

That's what I'm saying that the press. The part that you forget is that when when Takeover came out, Nas waiting like two or three months and people were dissing him for it, and back then you were supposed to respond immediately, just like how this right now, I don't think he was gonna respond that he did. It was it wasn't going to be effective because it took Listen to me, now, I sat back and kill and then when the finally came out, it did, and it was.

It was the exact thing like when I seen Meek and Drake battling and I heard um Rick Ross say to me, yo, you don't have to respond immediately, wait and take your time, and me still did what he did. I reminisced of that very moment of nas just sitting back and just he just not saying nothing, and he waited and he like I heard the original ether case you not. I said this on the podcast that one he um I feel like he went to personally, that

was the angry version right about this. He heard about this. It wasn't good. It was good, but it was angry. So you can't really appreciate a lyricist being angry, Like a lyricist should never be angry. A lyricist knows that you at it. That's why your flex rest out. You're sitting there and you're going like this and you're laughing and between them balls. It's like when I'm watching I like when I'm watching battles and the battle that could

provide like the comedy exactly be conversational. Takeover. Takeover was like you know what I'm saying. It was like a flow now. It was just all in different pockets conversation on either you know what I'm saying, Like your argument four Ether or four Takeover, I think either was. Ether was more effective. Takeover. It was more like a record. When you say it's a great record, it's it's just the truth. It's a great record. It is a takeover.

Takeover is going Takeover as a part of a classic album. Bro, that's a classic song. That ship is going down to history forever. But you gotta pick one. You gotta pick one now. I just told you Ether is more effective. You know what I'm saying. If I'm putting on, if I'm putting on, if I'm putting on one or the other in my car, I'm probably gonna play Ether more if I'm if I'm listening to the Blueprint, might not skip go straight to take Over. You know what I'm

saying like, that's a whole classic album. So I pick I picked either. Yeah, I would pick Ether too. It just makes some voice to pick a Hope was my man as well. And I tried to do this. No, no, this is hip hop. Can you put that back into their police I definitely want to come on. This is pure hip hop fans ship, and this is pure hip hop discussion ship like a lot of us. Like, the craziest thing is everyone is mad at me because I don't say that embody j on Reddy Game. He didn't

body him don't body and didn't say it again. People feel like I should admit that Jay got bodied. I don't feel like that because and I just know that if I was to say, yo, I related to Jay Z's verse a little bit more than him, it's because I would get a lot of hate, right. And the thing about it is I was against the wall awkward lefty, you know, the ship that he was saying, the ship that m was saying. I knew it was lyrical ship, but I actually didn't live that me personally, I didn't

live you know, I didn't live what he was saying. Well, when Jay said I boxed the wall boxing lefty. But I realized if I was to ever say that publicly, I seemed like a jay Z writer as opposed to and my fucking five fox with him and them, I know his ship just as good as him. But this record, I feel like, this is what I say, and it makes me seem like a foul not a foul dude. It makes me seem like I don't want to keep it. Real is, when I look at a masterpiece record, I

don't care a butt who has the better verse? Yeah you shouldn't. You shouldn't. It's a masterpiece record. So people ask me every day who had the better verse or bad from TV? And you know what I really say, in my heart, bad from TV the best verse. It's because if you're taking one of them out and you say one of them is more important than that, that record is. It's not a class no more. If you ask the best of who shot your with the firm all these classic records with you know, Symphony and all

these classic records. Anyway, let me not get into it. And you say who you's got the best verse? You actually take away from the actual record. It's just fun to do as a fan, you know, trying to get it. These monsters on the same song. It's like, that's what you're gonna do. You your favorite, but maybe what you're saying is like the best or whatever. It's like it's all subjected at the end of day. I get it.

But at the end of the day, you actually take away from the actually record when you're not saying because if you say alright, cool, you take that record away, it's that record and not still a classicsoutely you know what I'm saying. And that's the thing is I started to realize that. I started to realize I was always a fan until I became a fan artist, because as an artist, I still was a fan. I still like to listen to this ship. I don't give a funk.

If I was platinum and you were fucking you know, um, you know you sold three records. If I was in your ship, I'm gonna dig get ship. That's just who I am, you know what I'm saying. So I'm I don't know, man. I went in a little crissy a little bit. Yeah, this is the first time I had green cups. This is the same Patrick Sting. So now, Pride, how the fund did you and the cream even initially

DJ motherfucking Familiar, DJ motherfucking Man. So now how do you I mean we um ever since we did like the first Ship, when we did Boom way back in the day, it was like people was kind of like a classic record brother, thank you man. People kind of like you hold on, I gotta ask you Orice. That was on your album Boom, Yeah, that was your beat, bro, where this is freestyle? Boom was your beat? Damn, Bro, he don't even know what I'm saying. When I when I got to the studio when Prime, when me and

Prim was working, He's supposed to work. He was making the Boom beat for seeing that. Damn know this star continue. I didn't even know we were going there now it hurts. Yeah. So I get to the studio and he's making the beat. So I'm like, damn, I'm happy. I'm like this is the beat. I'm I'm thinking the lines. I'm right, I'm jumping down. He was like, no, I'm making this for Funority, Nori and component them, And I'm like, I'm looking around, like Ship that's used to be a DA was looking

around like where they at? You know what I'm saying, You're just so you know, please remember exactly where you was at. You know, I hate it Premier the first time I worked because we paid him off front. We was just so much fans. They were like, yo, he wants his money up front. He was like Garret. And then he just wouldn't just see us every day. He would be like, y'all working on a beat for you. And this is back in the days where you can't

tweet it, you can working for you. I thought he was getting me, my dude, but I'm not saying he's from Brooklyn. You know, this is this is what they know. Yes, this is what they knowing the I'm like, oh, he might be getting me. And he would call me, like I'll call you on on on Tuesday, He'll call me on Thursday. It just didn't seem right. So I actually came to the studio. Sorry please right now. Actually came to the studio. And this, this is what hurt my

feelings even more, was I walked in the studio. He was like, and he's playing He's not playing, He's not he's not playing ship off for this, He's actually making it live and he's like this, And I went like this, And then when I sat down, I didn't beat. Then they said, and he rates the beating. I want you know, because the thing about me is if I'm not bopping this because I'm writing like I'm righting in my head. But don't get me wrong, I'm not a full potential

bar right in the head. So I get six in my head. I go like this, but I might get quiet on you. I might get quiet maybe like right. And then they looked at me and he said, and he got my full check, so I'm like, y'all hold up. And then he played in another one, and then the poem did the same as he erased that one too, and then it was the third one that he was like boom. He was like, yeah, I like this, and it was like yo, boom. And this was by this time,

it's four o'clock in the morning. We're all beat. It's like your tomorrow morning, you're coming here and we'll happen. And then that's tomorrow morning. He came in and that's what he put in all the scratches, which this is the invincible, but but that that that that was the first he had droned, be ready for y'all listen. I was probably you know listen, you know Listen, I'm so

happy that you told me this because listen previous my brother. Right, but that first week of our relationship, I thought he really tried to be like I thought he really bullshitted me because like we were going and he was just like, it's not the night. And then I would see Biggie and Junior Mafia and I'm like, I sure, it's not tonight, nigger. You know this is this is big becoming big, and then Jay but I'm continued, so you are Ceah. I mean that that was basically if I went in there,

he said he was making a beat for y'all. So I had just put I put a prime together. Just give me that props, the rules, the rule, you know, we put them together ahead. I'm sorry, I'm I'm sorry, right yeah, I mean that's the that's that's the day that we did Boom, and that was like one of the first things we did together. So it just so happened like after I when I kept doing albums, you know, we kept in touch and we got cool. You know what I'm saying, Like I didn't expect for us to

get cool. So we had like a lasting relationship from whatever that was nine whatever it was all the way up until now so and Premiers a realized dude, Like once you have a relationship with him, yeah, I mean we got to point where were just friends, you know what I'm saying. It's like he executive produced one of my albums before a car Streethart. So we worked. Yeah, we worked pretty much in every capacity. You know, he did ship a slaughter House, you know what I mean.

So it was like, this is like the obvious next step for me and him if we were gonna take you know, take the creativity any further. So, um, my man, Mike Haran had an idea yeah, yeah, yeah, So he had an idea to to take for somebody who was like a master a chopping shopping samples, having them pull music from one source and making an album like that. So the idea was initially for slaughter House because Mike is an r over there shady, So that was the idea.

We're gonna use Adrian Young. This is a whole It just came out of nowhere and use Adrian Young, and he was like popping. Remember when Timberland did Adrian Young sample being it was a magnet Carter. So, um, it was like all right, cool, so we're gonna do this. I thought the idea was crazy. I thought it was a great idea, so we bought it the slaughter house. They wasn't really super excited about it, but you could tell they was willing to work and do it. We

all got on the call with Adrian and Ship. Adrian sent a couple of ideas. I rapped right on the ship sent it out to them, and they didn't move. When Crookett don't move immediately on something because he threw verses like that, you know what I'm saying. So if he ain't sent in the verse immediately, I know, okay, they're probably not that crazy about the idea. And how I work with slaughter houses this, if everybody is crazy about the idea, whatever were about to do is gonna

be classic. If everybody just showing up to work, you never know how it's gonna turn out. So I just felt like I didn't want to ruin the idea. I didn't want to twist their arms and kind of like forced him to do some ship that they wouldn't really that into. Because I got I'm the dude in the group. We got the relationship with everybody. I can talk everybody in the group into doing whatever, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't want to put them in that position.

So I took the idea to print what do you think about doing it? Because he was already open to do it for Slaughterhouse? What do you think about just me and you doing it? And he was like all right. So we started out just as idea as an EP and then we recorded like four songs and Keno was like, man, we we need more. You know what I'm saying. He

was like, we need more. So I talked preim and doing a few more, and then eventually I got on the phone with him and was like, what if we just called ourselves something else besides just stej a Premier Royce to five nine. So that's when I was like, why don't we call ourselves Prim's make the PRR capital for Premium Royce and then prime you know what I'm saying that. He was just like all right, cool, and then from there were just a group okay, But then

what happens this guys come out with Part one. People hear it, well, hip hops this understand what's going on a lot of people slept on it. But then you go upstairs the Master Flex Hot nineties seven and you but you're doing it's such a comfortable level. It's like I could look at it and say, that's a real m. See, like a lot of people would be like he she

went this little thing. She was just like, you're looking at you just the way you You were just telling like you used to this, like this is what I do. But and it made me actually like, look at how many people started to respect you from that moment, as if you ain't been doing this for years. But there was so many people like y'all did you shep rice then? And I'm just like, damn, but how did you feel at that moment? Like I knew I wanted to do my best, you know what I'm saying, Like, and I

got into it. I got to a point in my career, man, where I just start telling myself and like, I don't want to really do nothing else if I can't make an impact when I do it. So basically what I'm telling myself is do your best with no matter what you do, just put your best foot forward. So when Flex hit me about coming up there, which everybody had pretty much been spamming, I'm saying Yo, you need to

get Royce up there. After Tarik did what he did, after Black Thought did what he did up it was like, it's not really too many other mcs you can call to go up there and do something even remotely close to the magnitude of what that man did. So he was just hitting me like, Yo, you know it's time.

You know it's time. And I just kept telling him like, look, man, I'm gonna come up there when the time is right, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm still working on an album, working on like a bunch of different things at the same time. I promise you, bro, as soon as I'm ready for rollout, I'm coming to see you,

I promise you. And then, you know, when when I finally got done with the albums and I had a little bit of breathing room and I had some time to like memorize a few things, I was like, fucking I'm gonna go do it. What was it like ten minutes something like that. But mind you, the first time was successful. It was a successful yea, independent It wasn't.

It wasn't like like the thing about it was the second if I felt like this is me personally just looking from the outside, there was I felt like from that freestyle on like it was like the industry went back and like rediscovered there that particularly discovery discography. It was like you know what, and then now brob Want is a classic. And now I'm just saying that this is just the way these fans are they from. Yeah,

we we you know, we're speaking, we speaking. We're speaking to a whole different demographic of people, like different, they're different. Now you're speaking to people that want beats and rhymes, and unfortunately those people are not at the forefront. The forefront. People want to do the name they yeah, they want to just say they want to do was that dance? What was that? I wasn't listening to this Yeah yeah, yeah I was. I can't do this, ship man, whatever

you do, I can't do it. I'm I was up. Yeah, what I'm saying, it's a different generation, man, this is a different generation. But um, what did you love? All right? Um? What do you love about the new generation? Like I heard you big up Big Sean. I like that, you know, um, you know you're being the older G from Detroit at him being a younger G from Detroit, And I love with Big Sean is doing. Me and him had a little crazy ship. But if you know, I'm done, We're done.

We saw each other. But um, but I like the fact that you co signed your younger generation. Why isn't that more of that happening in the hip hop where people just see their their younger geez and say, you know what, I'm a I'm a big big that up me personally, man, I learned. I learned how important it is so um to get support from your peers, you know, like this, the few the few people that supported me when I was young, like the way it affected me.

It spoke abundantly to me, Like Bumby did that. He called me out of nowhere. I never met him before. I just I was it was way back in the day. I was like releasing freestyles and ship online and it was kind of like tearing it up, you know what I'm saying. And he called me Mr Porter hit me was like, yo, Bumby is looking for you. So I'm like, oh, ship. So I get on the phone with Bunn and Bun is basically like, look, I don't want nothing. I'll just call him to let you know that you're doing good

out there. So whatever you're doing Just keep doing that and you're gonna be all right right there, he said. He said, if you ever need anything for me, this is my number. And I just want you to know that I support you and I want you to keep doing what you're doing. And that ship, like y'all took a page from his book and was like, Yo, this is how I want to be. So when I started getting a little bit up there in age and the younger artists, I wanted to be viewed by them as

that I don't want to be. This just looked at is this old bider guy who got a problem with not being able to have alarm light all the time. You can't. I can't let go of what he used to be or what he his capabilities could have been. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm really happy with my journey and I want to I wanna I want to. I want the way that I moved and my energy

to reflect that ship. You know what I'm saying. When I was when I was talking a bun, I felt like I was talking to a nigger who was comfortable in his skin. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what success is to me. You know what I'm saying. So that's why he shows big. That's one of the reasons. And then you know, like Detroit is we always lack unity,

you know what I mean. So everything that happened, yeah, every everything that happened with me and detwelve and ship like that, and how it affected me and M's personal relationship and how it affected our success and the way we reviewed. Feel like every generation that came after us needs to look at us, what came out of it, Look at us. What can you learn from it? How can we make the city better, How can we do better as a city, And how can you do better

as an artist? When your city is in the know as well? Like in the city, when your city knows how to do better, you'll do better, you know what I mean. So we got to support each other, you know what I mean. Like that's just part of it.

And even you look at like the way Miami, you know, when Miami came together and they you know, Calid had everybody on records at the same time, and he was pushing unity and ship like that, and how much it helped the culture, how much it helped Miami is a city and little she from from Detroit So what happened because recently I've seen that the city of Detroit gave Cardi B. Yeah, the Detroit Citizen of the Year water, So what was it? It gave her Citizen of the

year like that they gave her. I'm one point one point. They gave her what on my point? Where talking about look at this, let me look at little I can't remember the name of the world. It was like it was like it was like the Detroit. It was a Detroit a war. Like if you ain't from Detroit, you you ain't. You shouldn't witness spirited Detroit. Spirited Detroit. I'm fucking that's that's damn the same thing. Yeah, you gotta be from the mode motherfucking city, but she's not. And

I love Let me just go this out there. I love Cardi being Cardi B. As my sister graduates album. Were looking at Cardi bees first time she was ever on screen. You can look at the Towel Down video if you want to revote TV. Right now, we will be playing a clip of the Towel Down video featuring Normy feature in French Montana when push your Tea and two chains and Cardi B is actually in my video the first time you ever see it. So I love the ship out of So this is this is not

what I'm saying. But Cardi B did get the actual spirit of Spirit of Detroit Awards. And what happened was the city of Detroit ropted. They really didn't like that. And as much of a support I am a Cardi Bill as much I love it, I felt like just the Detroit I did understood it because Detroit. Let's just be clear, it should have went to a person from Detroit. If it's a Detroit spirit, Yes, it's the mind frame. It's the mind frame of the people in Detroit, like

some of the people in Detroit. That has to change before we could like really get to where we need to be as a city. Not individually. You know, I'm gonna always achieve whatever I'm gonna achieve his Roice, you know what I mean. But just us as a city, you know, we got the whole Detroit versus Everybody movement. And like I was saying on that clip that I put on my Instagram, until everybody is in the right mind frame, those are just letters on the on the shirt.

It don't really mean nothing. If we're not kind of like standing by, like if you if you want to just look at it for what it is. None of these awards really mean anything, you know what I mean, So it's like you're giving it the CARDI b. I'm sure there's people in Detroit whom are deserving of it, and they can somehow help boost their confidence into doing something else. The whole city. It's the perfect word. The morale. The morale is low in Detroit. That's what That's what

we're missing. So little things like that, looking out for our own first like other cities do, looking out for our own first, will help boost the morale and out of help get us what we need to see. I understood why they gave it a ward, because what they're trying to say it's just coming from nothing and making something out of it. But I also understood you guys stance when he was like yo, you know, because you guys, these guys, but they were just like, you know what,

dis awards should have stayed in Detroit to Troit. That's the award is own let her own city. Sheree deserves to be the spirit of New York. Let her get let me. That's what I'm saying, Like it's the title. That doesn't make really sense. Now, worts what kind of watches that? Okay, I thought that was a blow because because that's a Gucci jacket. That's correct. You guys are talking man rich world coming, very rich, come all right, very rich over. Thank you. Yeah, man, I'm gonna be honest.

You got the post. He was like the first nigga that had the Panamera. I'm gonna be honest. No, I was the first nigga with to CE seven vet see um. I don't even know what that is. Corvette Corvette, Corvette see seven when they first changed the body type. Okay, so I got mine, and you know every that's a white boy call just throwing it out. Not Detroit, No, not from New Yorker, I don't care. So all right, cool, So because I'm from Detroit, this is one time we're

being from Detroit. Worked in my favorite one time. So since we don't have a lot of celebrities in Detroit, we got this list that you can get on. So just dude to on this Ferrari dealership who I'm cool with. He got me on this list where he was like, if you was on this list and Callie, you would be on the list with like Robert de Niro and names like that. So I got like the fifth Corvette off the assembly line, so I was like the first. I was. I had it before anybody could even lease it.

I was the first one. Just like how you say with these glasses. I was driving it because I had rigs on it before anybody even seen it. So I was I was driving that. People thought it was a Ferrari that was putting up next to me, like Yo, what the fund is that? It's a Corvette. It's called a C seven. So I just think everybody should know that I was the first. You killed it. I'm going on my car deal on top and we're like, yo, what the fun is going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah makes

a soil roye. Yes, sir. Hip hop it started out in the park. M hm. You've seen every fucking shape of hip hop. You've seen it. You see from where it is now, you see from where it's going. What's your favorite part of hip hop? My favorite part of it? It doesn't matter anything, you mean, when you break down like rapping, graffiti, break dance and ship like that, it don't even it don't even matter. Yeah, I think that.

I think bars is always gonna be my favorite no matter no matter what my ages, I never grow out of dope. Bars bars are like that's that's like my favorite component. That's why you know, like to me, bars is like technique. It's what you're saying, but it's also the technique is to flow. That's why I prefer M's renegade versus over holes. I relate to homes more you

just him a technical standpoint. I prefer M because how I fell in love with hip hop, you know, like I fell in love with the cadences and the technique somebody coming with a new voice, Like when Snoop came out with that fucking voice doggy style, I mean, should he change that change? Yeah? He was like we all like it was something brand Yeah. So that's my favorite aspect of it, you know, like something new with styles Drake.

Drake is real dope with that man like coming with like new flows and ship I think gets you kind of back excited about Dan. But I'm not standing up the stage. He's he's something else beyond an MC after that, Like he's he definitely could spit and he can make songs altogether. What I'm saying, so word the greatest Box up all times. I'm gonna go with Sugar Ray Robinson without even thinking Sugar Ray Robinson killed a man in the ring. Who you got he killed somebody in the ring? Yeah. See.

And I'm disagreeing with you, not because I think you're wrong. I'm disagreeing with you because I just want to base the greatest box of all time for all the fights that I've seen in my own eyes. Okay, so this is the reason why I don't pick Ali. I picked Floyd Maywell. That's the greatest of all time in my opinion, Okay, because I've seen all his fights, like all the Allies fights, I probably seen them. But if I wasn't alive to

see someone live through those moments, I didn't live. So I can't feel like like I lived through Tyson's all the Tyson's moments, but I also lived through all the Tyson's just you know, he's down, so I can't technically root for him. I love him, but Floyd, I felt like I grew up with him. We went through puberty together and then we actually was grown people together, and he hasn't disappointed me. I do not want him to go to have one fight in the UFC. Do not.

If if that they could do that, I might cry. Listen to me, I do not. I don't think he's gonna do it what I didn't. He might be one more seven, not one Floyd to ever fight you f C. I think it might be trolling. Man. We won. Were from the boxing community. They came into our world one time. We won. Let's get our one and done and that's it. Like I used to play handball, I'll beat your handball once. So let's sit and whatever. That's it. You won't get a remac. I got a gun. What do you want

to do from here? They're gonna try and hurt that boy over there if you go. I'm trying to tell it because it's not gonna be McGregor. McGregor is a thumb now. He threw ship at these other people, so it's not gonna be with Greg's some other day that's focused that don't want pussy, right, and that's gonna go on the ring. You're gonna kick the ship and I don't want that. That's an l for boxing. Man. We can't take that. We can't tell you. So, so me and you are green, we agree, But your greatest of

all time. That's Sugar Ray, Sugar Ray Robinson, Robinson, I mean boxing, it's a lot like it's a lot like hip hop. Man, that s got to be. Don't watch a lot of hip hop because you have mad people hype you up. But when you actually go on that booth, it's only you that's okay, Joshua or Wilder man easily. I'm picking Wilder easy, easy work. I knew men you get along. I knew that's easy work. That's easier Anthony josh with Anthony josh easy work, though, that's easy work. No,

I can't say this easy work, easy work. Joshua is hitting hard. Listen, listen, this ain't no knock on Joshua's punching power. Bro Please Deontay Wilder, Deontay Wilder, gotta hear that guy. He got a different kind of make He make a lot of mistakes, but so do Anthony Joshua. They both make a lot of technical boxer mistakes. But Deontay got a fire in him. Okay, what was the last fight on Wilder? Hat um? He just would you see there was a couple of mistakes that Wilder made.

Louise or Chiz is a better boxing you're a better boxing But but the mistakes that Wilder made, could it be detrimental to to Joshua because josh was very technical. Just keep it real. Look, he's not Ortiz. Like if he would have made those mistakes with Joshua, it might have it might have cost him. I'm just keeping it real. Like Deontay want to win, man, he got it. That's

the day. At the end of the day, I'm they make it the way the way that the state that the heavyweight division is in, it makes you focus on what I'm saying. Like they both they both make they both make mistakes. It's not gonna come down to who the better boxing. It's gonna come down to who land first, who wanted more. But Deante got a right hand that we have not seen in boxing probably since Tommy Hearns.

And they end in the heavyweight division. But and this is the UK's first actual champion and its first actually black champion take a champaign. There's something about that. They are eighty thousand deep at his fucking They can't fight for him, they can't fight for him. But but but Royce, let's just be clear, that's something that's crazy because Joshua can actually say I'll fight you, but in London. You

beat him in London. But what I'm trying to say is we don't actually know that feeling when everybody is coming out boying, you get how to performing that. I mean as artists, as artists, unless we have real beef with somebody, like you can't go to Poland and these the whole Poland buoy you. Yeah, he got this fight happens. And I'm just talking about because because Wilder, because Wilder is young. Still, let's just be clear, like how old are you don't have to answer that I'm forty two,

I'm not forty. I'm forty and I'm forty. That's but what I'm saying is as a person that's twenty seven, I'm not saying that said I don't even know the age. But we all think we mature. You don't really mature. On to thirty five. Thirty five is after that you're like, man, fun everything, I'm want to go to costcos today. This is the thirty five. You actually have to get hit that thirty five. Everybody here thirty five. It looks like yeah, okay, alright,

good look you're not You're in the Costles days. All right, so when you're a thirty file, you're a cop. But what I'm trying to say is I think that Josh who he was born in I gotta take my story back. Then, I don't understand what I was trying to go. I thought he was twenty five, he's not. He's on the team. And then wasn't Anthony Josh ahead google that Now you might be Josh was only like he only like twenty oh right, yeah, no, he a beast Anthony josh with

a beast man. Please don't think that. I'm not saying that. But Deonte just recently want to fight. But I didn't watch that fight because I knew he was gonna win. As I knew he's gonna win it, did you? Yeah, of course? Okay, it's the fight we're talking about, the Joseph Parker fight, right Okay, oh yeah, they ain't that after there was much you though, there's much more yellow though they don't much the other four years of wal

So now we're going on a while. Though Wilder bro against the Joshua, of course, I think he's gonna he's gonna stop him. Cannello just got caught. What did he get called for Rice. He was taking some ship called cli clim Bauteral. It disappoints me, Rice, Yeah, mom my mom. The only cool we we were boxing fans. I'll look at your Twitter feed and this is that's how. That's how I know your real boxing thinking. I was looking at Twitter freedom like this Nickels saying everything. I don't know.

Are you not disappointed of Cannello? Some ship called cli clim Bauteral steroid. I don't even want to try to impeat what that's calls. It's some kind of steroid. I don't know exactly what it does. But twice, Yeah, man, I was disappointed. I was disappointed. Go over twice the fighter. They're not fighting now. They just canceled it. Fu he suspended Canello like one of my favorite fighters too. Yeah. Am how you say how you saying this Spanish call

them that's buddy. How How disappointed was you? I'm disappointed. I mean, that's like one of the only fights that I really want to I want not a little besides, you know, like Spence Verse Crawford. You got Spence versus Crawford, My home girl, Spence Spence Girl Spence Verse. In my opinion, the new may Weather. He's the main Weather. Don't play around. Well. I think Tarance Crawford is the new Mayweather. I think Terrice Crawford is a beast here beast too. That's my

guy guy as well. But each other Charon's Cowford is fighting who well I'm saying, I'm just talking about the pass. No, no, no, I'm sorry. I don't want I don't want people to think that. No, that's not happening yet. But you know, like when you look at every division, you see what the super fighter that movie I was supposed to be. So sometime in the future, that fight is gonna have to happen. They can't avoid each other because they they

movements are too powerful. They running through everything moving, you know what I'm saying. And it's the same with Canelo, Triple G, Wilder, Joshua, those are like everything that's happening in these divisions are leading up to these fights. So and especially with how good the Canelo the Triple G first fight was, It's like, yo, bro, you just funked up the opportunity. Who did you think won that fight? In the opinion, I gave it to get I gave it the Triple G I gave it a triple g.

I gave I gave it a triple I'm not. I was rooting for Cannelo though. I If they fighting, it's not rude for nobody. If they fight again, Canella's gonna stop him. He's gonna stop him, stop him if they fight. If they fight again, I'm on that, I think. And then now that so, now, are you familiar with the steroid that they saying that they caught him with. I

heard of it before. I'm not. I'm not familiar with because the weed, because they do put steroids in the meat, so that's a valid Yeah, that's a that's an excuse they got cold. He got cold it twice. So yeah, heats a lot of them. He eats a lot of meat. That was you're gonna say, if one's this is a poss friendly podcast, you can say pausing, No, I just really want to know, because I don't want to It's

like when somebody calls somebody a snitch. People call people a snitch and they don't have no fucking you know, like back in the days, you can't call him by that you out of the paperwork. You have to show these people this is what these snitch is the days snitch is obviously snitch too, But now there's anybody who said anybody's a snitch and everybody has to looking on it. So when you say that, I think they have the actual information for sure. As I said, he's a lot

of meat. Yeah. No, I'm not saying plar. I'm saying to the people like, if cano is that, show me what it is. Obviously it has to be something real because they say this is the second time they caught him with Yeah, I mean it's from what I hear, like just looking at interviews from guys like Freddie Roach and Ship, they're basically saying that that's always their excuse, like the Mexican fighters and ship like that, when they get caught doing something, they always they got their excuse

ready already. So I don't know if he really was doing it or not. I just know that ship don't look good. I suspended happening. Um what happened? Um? But the guy who had to the ship dude die? Oh that was they did, like uh not and prior not and prior yeah they said he was, but do you talk about when he fought a lection he didn't die though he didn't die of him. Yeah, he stood out and he had he had the ship on this. They was accusing them and taking something. They were saying it

was something they caught. They caught some audio from the actual audio says, give the take this bottle, the other bottle, give me the other bottle is a real box of Yeah, they gave him, They gave him that bottle. He drank out of that bottom because he just came out the

round and he was tired. But then when he gave him a special bottle, he came out smack into energy and he just came out and just so what that bottle have we don't know, We don't know to It's like the olive you time to really also minds the muscle cells and muscle proteins ands, which is why I also sounds like a great energy drink. Not to be confused, of course, it sounds fantastically horrible. So the boxing generation,

what do you see it going from there? Um, First of all, I think boxing is in a great place right now. First off, I just want you to cut you off. And we have a podcast called a Drink Champions Network, and we would like you to be our boxing podcasts like for real we want you to be, you know, the guy that files the fights cap so, but I'm just saying, like I just watch all of them, watch all and that's that's so dope because the thing about it is your legend. So you're a legend hip hop.

So everybody can like actually sit back and say, you know what I mean, that's what I did because I looked and my father is a boxer. So that's the reason why I'm so much into it. And the way you're talking, you're talking like me, I'm like, I think I know more than everybody. It's just me. It's just who I am. You know. And when when he I think I told more than everybody or I know more than everybody, and then this thing is talking like me,

I'm like, he's dangerous. I'm seeing somebody who's me, Like, who's me? It's not me. So instead up, instead of trying to compete with you, I immediately want to get down with you because that's something that hip hop. That's what we have to do. The thing is we have to start doing other hustles. And right there, right right there, I can see you go into ah and every boxing match, regardless of it's in Barclay's it's just such a such and you're just covering the boxing match or some hip

hop ship. You don't gotta be in a world. You don't gonna be in the world and doing like you being unifor listen, nigga ship win damn you. We don't even gotta We weren't gonna funk with them like we just you'd be behind the scenes the boxing nigga of our fucking generation point to us, they don't even gotta funk with us, like the boxing generation. This hip hop funk with us. That's it. Like like I watched Bill Moore, I don't funk with news, but I watched Bill Moore.

I don't funk with news. I don't turn him off and go to c CBS or CNN, Fox, you know, or Fox and see him what he just said was the truth. No, I just funk with his facts, whatever his facts is. I'm working with that. I'm sorry, that's part of the problems. Definitely create the solution. Let's create the solution. This watch right in the bathroom where I think no talk. Sorry, sorry, sadist, such thing I talk about this mop shadow box of the check he said

was probably want to know. I'm just trying to get off the dockroom. But this looks like Poppy on the shop side, like I'm just scared again, I tell you, and coming like that. This thing is fucking but on you from the door. He's sucking throwing puncheon. So when I go I go to my dad, I'm like throwing out punches and ships. Yea the bun until you could be mad weird, that's like that'sch I'm like, what who

fuses that? And that was a porter ricking box. And then he went up to him and he's a pictures and he came sat with us my psssts from not just so you know that. You know, that's what all real boxes do. At some point, they'll be hanging out with you. They'll be chilling and they'll just get up and shadow even like what the fucking role with this bicker, I'll kick you, don't listen. I'm a real boxing fan.

I hung out with everybody from the niggas test here, so the niggas just there and they all just at one point it was like throw the combinations just be walking somewhere, the walking to the bathroom. You're like, yo, nigger, I swear to God this is that's not abnormal at all. Sometimes you don't no, no, but but people, let me

just say you something. People who write rhymes and they had they are a little bit more crazier than the most And I don't mean crazier like what I mean is you're talking about yeah big jay, like they're a little bit more like for elmetric, for lack of a better word, I want to say weirder because right around usually you're supposed to say pulling it on, remember that

line and put it jotted down. But when you're you're superseded that smartness, you also supersede that weirdness where it's like kind of because just think about it, even when you write the rhynd, you're looking weird as fuck because you can't even communicate with somebody while you're doing it. Like somebody said, with something up to it yeah yeah, and you and they know you want to rolling talking

to yourself. You're actually talking to yourself, so you're just weird as opposed to when you fit it on paper, you put it on your phone. I go right on line and like yeah cheese that yes you know I want yes, I would like like blue cheese, okay, cool, and you keep it going. But when you write in your head, you gotta block out everything. You gotta block out because if anybody say anything, you're gonna forget that. You said the Dutch Master Blue right Ryan section two.

What you're gonna do a body with who you're gonna You're gonna forget all that. So you have to just stay there and you just stay focused. But then you're not writing it down, so you have to stay focused. To you, it's a weird thing. The weird. I salute to everybody. Gon do it, salute everybody who does. I

had to do that. I had to do that ship when you have to start learning how to write your wrong when I first got sober, when I first started writing again sober because there had been so many years I couldn't write. I want to hear the sober. Yeah, that ship was almost six years ago. And it was like, what about you have a muslimoia right now? Right? You have oils Muslim oiers, brother, Like that's like, that's that's like Agyptian, It's like something like that. You know my

old school Muslim oil niggers? Is that? Am I correct on a But it's something similar, something similar. All right, keep you going. I mean when I got when I got sober, it was like I had to teach myself, not teach myself, but get myself back accustomed to writing and doing ship without drinking. But can you tell us what this? What you how you got to the place

to become sober? Oh ship? I mean, I just was making you know, everything that was wrong, every single thing that was wrong in my life, the path from that lead, the liquor, everything. It just affected my decision making across the board, you know what I'm saying, like all my decisions, like the people I chose to be around. I think it pointed at me that was sucked up because I know, because he knows you're a chance you can afford you. I know you can attest to that. I didn't have

nobody to say, you know, so the people. I chose this around myself with the chicks, I chose this around myself. You know what I'm saying. It was just it was just everything was bad. Like the last thing, did you see the media takeout? Ship from the Chick exposed me on media take out? Damn, You're gonna remind me to remember this because I know I saw it. Yeah, yes,

so that ship happened. It was just too much happen happening. Yeah, I was having the three some of chess girls the worst living is like let me, let's not get so if something, I'm sorry, Yeah, so, um, I'm I'm drunk and fuck you know what I'm saying. So it's like I'm I'm I'm sucking the one girl and then the um the other girls recording me but I don't, I don't know. And then like I'm sleep, I'm passed out on the couch and she's taking pictures of me while

I'm sleep, you know what I'm saying. So time went by. I think she was mad at me because I wasn't like answering the phone and some ship, you know what I'm saying. But um, she ended up. I don't know if she sold him or whatever. She gave the pictures and ship the media take out. So I get a call from my side, chick mad cursing me out because I'm on media takeout. My wife don't even know, you know, I was saying, like, so now I got my side chick mad at me for some ship that I did.

And then I got to be the one to tell my wife. And then I got into so much ship, got caught doing so much ship for my wife. My wife wasn't even as mad as my side chick. Like everything was just off, you know what I'm saying. It was just like I was like, I gotta make some changes, man, And then it was just like my marriage was ruined, was getting ruined. I was at a financial high in life, but I was just at a time more morally, I

was underground. I was buried. You know what I'm saying, No more morals, no more integrity is a man, you know what I'm saying. Like you look at the word loyalty and it's like people break that word down and they they put they turn it into so many different parts, Like it ain't just one word, Like would you ever fuck your man's girl? No, you wouldn't think about it. Not that you're drunk is but you're cheating on your wife in a minute, you know what I'm saying. And

it's like this is horrible, which is fucking horrible. I just don't get married. You just nigga. Literally my karma, My karma is, it's it's instant with you know what I'm saying like it's instant. Were you ever the salvage the marriage? Yeah, okay, Coradulus, Yeah, so I mean should I woke up one day in the hotel room and I was like, it's time to stop, you know what I'm saying. And I felt like and this is after Marshall had already became so he was years in because

you and him used to get drunk together. Correct, Yeah, he he didn't. He was never really a drinker like that, but he was popping pills and we got drunk together, you know, plenty of times. You know what I'm saying. I mean, ship all my friends was pretty much my drinking buddy. He doesn't say, It's like, that's pretty much what my life was. But the only difference is I'm an addict, Like I'm wired like an addict. So you know, when we're sitting around having fun, y'all is just drinking

and having fun. When the drink Champs interview is over and you go home and chill, I'm still love drinking. I can't stop. Damn. That's me right now. I think that not we already have to go there, Hey, b no, but we balanced it. We do work out. We do know we we take, we take days out of drinking, and we take saying we cannot because we're fucked up. I kid you not and your baby show. You got a baby shop, put my baby shop. I want to put your business on the street. I want to put

your business on the streets. I finally found out that my partner, Dick worked sound I know, even royal and business for twenty years, he said. And he said, and I was like, this nigga ship ain't working because I got len pregnancies. He said, this is a pause friendly shows. So I said, well, I'm glad to know that she is ship is working. Glad to know you gotta you got you got a baby on the way. About this

reveal to agenda, I won't do that. And the baby shop was private too, and the baby was private too. I won't say where it is, but voice so hip hop, man, did you think that hip hop would be where it's at? And what I'm saying is because listening to you, I imagine you come from the same place that hip hop where we are. When you had to have lyrics, that was the first thing of your outfit, Like before you care about having an Adidas, before you care about how

the likes. At least you had your lyrics straight. Yeah, then you were worried about your outfit. Right now, people worry about the outfit, They worry about the rember, about everything else but the lyrics. The lyrics last. Right now, I think, unfortunately, can you stand this arrow hip hop? I choose to deal with it. It's me. Yeah, I choose to deal with it too. I don't think all of it is for me, right you know what I mean? So, Dog, I'm real Like I'm I'm good at being okay with ship.

You know what I'm saying. Like, I realized if it's not for me, it ain't up to me to get all upset. It's up to me to just find a ship that I like to listen to, and just to listen to that ship, you know what I'm saying. Like, that's the luxury we're at today, though, we could find whatever we want everything every he's a DJ, he should be DJ in every party. I think he's that stubborn that he don't want a DJ because you don't want to.

This is my opinion. Remember, remember going back to what we were talking to, Listen, we have one of the most hottest shows in the world. They wanted to DJ everywhere. You know, you want to say, I don't want to play this ship. I want to play old school ship. He's too busy making babies. Man. I want to say, we keep doing so we were talking about earlier, but motherfucker's get they get used to ship, you know what I'm saying, Like, lyricism was so important for so long,

we just got used to it. In order for hip hop to evolve, people had to open up new doors, you know. So it's a little hard for us to accept that lyricism is in the fourth front in terms of like and music, but it's also you know, it's making us mature as listeners to but it's still it's still there because the difference between now and before is that it's not like you said, it's not on the forefront, but there's still lyricists. There's young cats that are still

pushing lyrical ability. They're still like we got Denzel Curry, we got Kendrick. He might be not the youngest cat, but he's in that young and to me, he's like one of the us I've ever seen in my lifetime. The people, the people who are truly on top and have had the best careers from this generation, you know,

like Kendrick Cole. Guys like that. They're to dare the lyricists, right, but listen, lys, but you you you when you're get in the gym and you're good in it because well all overweight, all of us right at one point and then we got in the gym. We got our ship together. But we're in the gym. You can't front. You do not turn off? He says, you do not, or you do I do not. I leave it on when it comes on, my off turn on. I'll leave it on. Google's actually in the Kanye in the studio. Yeah, studio,

the gym, I mean the gym. I'm sorry, sorry, I think you turn on. Gucci Gang want to come on car? No, No, I don't. I see you got a porch pran to marrow. It's very nice white. He's gonna give y'all listen when you wear it in the car and good game come up and you got on GOOCHI because I also watched. You're tired. You're very Gooccie Gang too, You're very and then let's come on good and you're as I think

it's cool. It's a cool song song you. I don't turn it off even when I'm in like Googi Gang, even even like it happen and like the club and ship like that, and you don't really want to hear like no super super lyrical shop wants in the club responsible ignorance music. That's what you're an adult. Music should be like that, though, that's a good one. Music should be like that though. Music should be like a soundtrack to every single thing that could possibly go onto your life.

It should be music for everything. It should be music for every movie, just like watching movie, you know what, Like I prefer lyrics, you know what I mean? But also you know, like I like tons of different styles of music, different kinds of different genres, you know what I'm saying. So you can pick something out of any anything that these young dudes are doing. Some of it is just like not not tolerable. You can't listen to it.

But should I just turn it off? I think there's different conversations when you're talking about like if you want to talk about the upliftment of hip hop culture. Yeah, I mean I think those are different conversations. Good you goddamn it. And this is drink chap, motherfucker podcast. We did we had to do the wrong before we get

about it here, before we get about it. So is it difficult for you to be around environments as a person that's sober, because we want our fans to know that you can listen to us sober as well, just because we're getting inviriated that we're doing all this. This is about hip hop history. You're saying about us getting drunk or whatever. And we had Joe on there and now we have you on You and y'all both have

similar stories being you know, recovering. Um, how hard is it to maintain an everyday society after you make that switch. It's not difficult for me, now, you know when I first when I first got sober, I didn't I didn't trust. I didn't trust being in a certain environment. So I just didn't allow myself to be in those environments. Like I was about to We're just about to do a

slaughterhouse store. When I got sober, I had to call all the guys in the group individually and just tell that I couldn't go, because, yeah, we weren't able to do because I didn't know. I didn't know what sobriety was. I didn't know if it was a situation where if some liquor what I want something? You know what I'm saying, like the should be like dangling and stake in front of my face and steps. Is that what you did? Yeah, you automatically do with steps And he was a patron guy. Yeah,

my last went through different I went through. I went through different phases in my in my drunkardness. But I had a legendary drunkard that means he drank. Give us the legendary drink of this story. I mean I started out with the first drink I ever drink was Jack Daniels with Dre with Dr Dre Jack Daniels, Dr Dre, Dr Doctor Drake. That sounds to the studio I was saying. I was what you're saying that Dr Dre out together. I didn't realize the way I worded it. What's you're

gonna name this episode? Name? You had to cause friendly good? Yeah. So I started out with Jack Daniels and then um, I started drinking Riccardi with Marshall. Just Riccardi straight, that's all we're drinking and Riccarti straight. I always I'm a Cardi Lemon, just a Cardi Cardy Lemon was next, No, don't do it, don't do it, don't go there, And I was about to say I'd never ever in my drinking career drink mixed drinks. The moon is the worst. You never drink. You're a real rock ship, isn't in

the way. I'm sorry, I don't. I don't mean to sounds like an alcoholic that's trying to bring you back. But you do it because I love me. This sound like that guy you understanding that m ain't have been the problem. Is you just gonna way too hard man. You might have had needed some self of water. Like yeah, I love saying I'm suggesting that right now. I'm not suggested that I love you, Grace, and I really respect you.

I should have gone really really do. But I'm just saying, I'm just yeah, maybe another light not in this one. You know, there's two things I didn't understand with drinking. Why people wanted their liquor to taste good. No, it never tastes good. But that's what the mixing, that's what the mixed drinks is for. You go to you go to a bar and they put he's right, they put this much right. But I never then they put a bunch of ship in to try and make it taste better.

I always tell people it never tastes good. It feels good the first one. Yeah, it's like it's like you can't right. So I'm on my six years about to be so why didn't I didn't understand why people wanted it to taste good. And I didn't understand why people would just go have a couple of drinks. If you're not gonna get sucked up what you're drinking for, I'm not I'm not gonna lie. That's what I do know. You drink to get sucked up. That's all right. What's what's do you? So? It's I see you cut it

off at one point, I see you feel yourself. But then I see yeah, I see like getting enough an you way. But then I also see you tell people you want to him also ready to people just walks through and you said people fuck you. I'm like, yeah, what's going on? You're like, fuck you, Pitt bouck you. I'm like, why am I here? Why did you invite me out to the ton of the Sun. And everyone knows I'm not lying, just saying you understand that you gotta be very under the water. I know that that's

a sun. Let me you haven't tell you. Let me just say went out on something. That is right, guys of asshole man when you lock thing though, right, there's like different levels of clubs. They got the clubs where it's like everybody go to, like then there's the clubs where everybody can go to. Okay, So I mean on the age over age midle a, no age. So you go and you go to the joint and I walk in it like the context that tell us thing that the DJ said, get what I'm saying, What did that mean?

Take off your story. I'm from New York City, wants to find where am I. I don't know that he was in the Miami for a couple of years already. No, this is this is kind of like my first night. Get that a lot. I remember that ship for the rest of my lady. Get down that lot said that in the said Spanish is this I did learn that's man and then people who just walked through. But you know there's backstory to that. I don't know the backstory.

This is my story. This is my story. He pleas letting me my story or so I don't know the backstory. I listen to a little backstory. All I know is he walked through and he did not say hot, yeah yeah, and took a couple of more get and the thing walked over and saying I'm gonna fuck you up right now that the security is teach the chef, he's a chef. It was purple no, but teas like, yeah, what are you doing the family bro? No, Beca's hound drunk you word teachers like please, here's no one did not see

the fucking what would you drinking? But that's not happened, not so it's not exactly what happened. Like if you're supressionally making true this my story. What was saying a lot of people like put it in here. You know what, I'm gonna agree with that. I got a friend of your version of its funny. That's funny. But but he but did you does your virgen contain I'm gonna fuck you? Want I don't know what. Let's let's change whatever the reason why I don't know you. That's not what this is.

This is a supportive movie. When you see Royce Ords moving this interview, Rys like, man, I love drink chat drink chats me up. They do whatever, But there's a couple of clips where we we weren't funny, and that's what the the fucking whole audience looks at. So people think they're like yo. But the thing about it is, it's something that I just told somebody the other day is don't this for the two percent of what's wrong?

Pick me up for the ninety eight percent for what's right. Like, if I'm doing something ninety eight percent that's right and it's only two percent that's wrong. How dare you call me about the two percent? Why not call me and say that nine percent you're kicking out its greg. They got the whole hood happy, you know. But the person called me about the two percent and they made me just think of that made me just express that. So

the thing about hip hop is hip hop. We don't give our people they flowers while they can smell them, They trees while they can hell them, They thoughts what they can think of them, and they drinks while they can drink them. And the thing is, you know, God bless the dead, Craig mac A, love Buck, Stark Sky, all these people. These people passed away, and now people want to post pictures of the that's not what we want to do and drink chance. We want to post

pictures of you. Why are you fucking alive? We want to pick you up? Why are you fucking a lie? And most of the people that we interview don't even really have something going on but to us, and it's you, what you did, it's bigger. You're on And so it hurts me sometimes when I see people and I tell them, I said, Yo, listen, I see you about to drop the album. Come funk with us, come see us. They're listen to their record label and they'll go see such and such or such and such. And it doesn't matter

because I think about this. We don't need you first, We need you when you're right. You know what I'm saying. But the thing is, it makes me know what level the artist is on, what we're gonna do, what's what's your be a beast? Future future future legend, future legend always say when I when I when when people bring tank up, I always say that nigger, he punches with conviction. He throws every punch like you're trying to kill you. I love those kind of fighters. That's that fire I'm

talking about. They can't be taught I take out that fire Wilder. Yeah, so one of the same hands down Deonte Wilder is taking out Anthony Joshua and that is there. Well, you can never say a hundred percent hands down in the heavyweight division, and the heavyweight division is you know, it's taking your back, but taking your back voice. I would say, put your money on Deonte okay, but now your money what would you what would you bet? I'm

putting my money on Deontae. If I'm betting, all right, I'm talking about one to ten, how much money would you put one in ten on the I put I'll say ten. I'm confident. I'm confident that he was. He just got he got more fire, man, he got more fire. What is this fight is supposed to take place June job? They still haven't they have enough. They ain't signed on

the fight each other yet. Huh. Well, listen, man, Royce, I want to thank you for coming down, sit down, and you know, you know, for for me, I want to salute you because um, I forget who are your people's but I wanted to ask them and say, yo, you know, should we stop drinking or should we stop smoking? Or some type of ship and there was like, race is good. They can sit right to fucking there and

y'all can do whatever. So before we get up out of here, how did you develop that type of tolerance where you could actually, you know, sit around people that's indulging and you're not indulged. Yeah, you just it's it's sobriety. One of the things with sobriety is just about learning yourself, you know what I'm saying, Like learning exactly what you can can't stand. Like when I first got sober, I thought I was gonna have to be exactly like how him do his ship, Like it ain't nobody around him

drinking and smoking. Like yeah, you kind of not saying that he's isolating himself, but we don't go around him drinking, you know what I'm saying, Like I try. I was traveling with him while I was still drinking, and I never drink around him, you know. So like when I got sober and I went around Slaughterhouse, they did the same thing. But I'm sober, my nigga, so I could tell when you're hiding drinks, hiding the bottle, and you know what I'm saying, when y'all got drinks, But y'all

just don't want me to see it. If anything, that ship makes me feel more weird about it. You know what I'm saying, because you reminded me that I'm the motherfucker who's different from everybody. You know what I'm saying, Like it makes me feel better when everybody is just themselves. Do what works. You're mentally strong to be a yeah, because if you if we're working with each other and we're doing some ship, I want you to be in

your element. You let me get my element, and I want you to be a young man saying with the interviews and ship, man, if this is what y'all doing here, you know what I mean? Like I talk to people and tell them I'm coming, I'm excited. I'm like, yo, I'm about to go funk with Nori. You know, how can you do that? But you don't drink? Don't mean I gotta drink. I think I personally text you and told you that, like it please, that's not what we do, like you know, like the thing is, the thing is,

I'm sorry. We want to praise our artist, you know what I'm saying. Or so many people they want to wait for you to die. You'd be hurt or you to go through something tragic for people to actually be like, your voice is dope. Yeah, and that's why I was so I was so happy when you, um he said something about Fat Joe recently. He was like, how long we're gonna keep continuing to ignore that Fat Joe was just out here relevant? And then Fat Joe came and he and he said, yo, yo, this is a lyrical giant.

I forget what he said. You know, I'm paraphrasing, of course, but he backed you up back, and I was just like, this is what hip hop is supposed to be. This is exactly what it's supposed to be. The thing is, we're so competitive with each other, and we forgot to beg the people that were actually fans up. Yeah, you say something good about somebody, you automatically we don't want that. That's that's what drink chances. That's what drink chance is established.

It's taking away that dick right up. Like, I have no problem with telling you boys, I think you're a lyrical giant. I think that you know, aside from from from from from you know, like the actual success and the money and there's no dispects all up. But you're up there with M and Jay and you're lyrically you know what I'm saying, You're up there with them. And the thing about it is that takes nothing away from me from begging you up. So fucking what, Yeah, you

you deserve it, you know what I'm saying. You deserve it. And the thing about hip hop is so many people they don't give a funk about saying people people in hipop aren't comfortable enough in their skin, you know what I'm saying. And it's like everything is contingent upon other people's opinion of you. So you put that being worried about them and seeking validation from those people. You put that ahead of just being a good, genuine person, you

know what I'm saying. And it takes the people with respect, like how you got you? You can take the steps forward and big people up because they're not gonna come at you a certain way. You already developed a certain respect, you know what I'm saying. And it's the same here when it comes to lyricism. I feel like I can compliment anybody because I've already established myself as respected as a lyricist. So when they hear it coming from somebody

like me, they look at it different. That's why I said what I said about Fat Rio, you know what I mean, Like his longevity is inspiring to me. Man, he's like one of my He's like one of my idols. I had conversations. I had conversations on the phone with people. I had conversations on the phone with Keeno about industry ship and there's certain things that I'm not supposed to be able to accomplish in my age statistically and this music ship, and then you turn around and you see

Fat Joe do it. There's always an exception to the rule. Always. I think Dream Champs is that examples. No, he's right though, but yeah, it's all your boat, right right, yeah, proposed to the same thing. So seeing this show, to seeing this show pop off of you and ship like that, that's equivalent to Fatrow coming with lean back, right. It's like it's incredible because it's not. It's not supposed to happen if you ask the critics and the thing about

our our shows. So sorry, um think about our show. It should be a cheat cold for the people whose season, meaning the people that like everybody yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yah I don't I don't relax, I don't listen. I don't want to make excuses like we're here for the people who have been here ten years

and more, who put their grind in. So now, if you want to promote your little sisters, you know what I'm saying, uh single, and you want to come on here and you want to you open up if you want to promote your gator. They just started rapping. Yeah it's alligator. Got alligator. I'm just saying, I'm just making

it up right now. You gotta alligator and you want to because this this shouldn't be the cheat cold for niggas that got ten and twelve and fifteen years and more in this game, because you know what, you have the regular radio station when you're a new guy. You have the regular SoundCloud when you're a new guy. But this should be a platform when you seasoned. You know what season me? Season me? These motherfucker's seizes you and then put you in the frigerator. Nigga, now lets you

back overnight. I got that. And then they take your monkey ass out and then they fry you that season that means you have to stay in the frigerator. Colds for a certain amount of time. I just want to sit. This is the movie. Sorry, movie, but this is what do you mean when you say season in the hip hop? You had to go through a certain freezer with the season and knowing you and you can't even get frozen,

You're not season. This is real. You gotta go through this in the hip hop and then after you come through that. This is the reason why I always pushed the hip hop union. It's because after you go through that freezing and after you wake up that next day and they put you in the oven hip hop to take care of you for the rest of your life. And that's the thing about it. The thing about it, there's so many people who gave a blood, sweat and tears.

They did it, They went platinum, and they fucking homeless right now. They're working in McQuary's and mccary's doesn't even exist no more. So that lets you know where they're working. They're working in wal Mark. This is real. Ship. If you gave ten years and your your life to hip hop and you really came out there, you you really worked.

Our union should it should be a union in places that at least that at least helps the only other corporation in the world that doesn't have a union is boxing, and boxing is the most brutal sport in the world. Is this what we're saying about an entertainment company? This entertainment we ain't beating each other up. I mean, we beat each other up because that's what we choose to.

But this should be a hip hop So I am gonna keep continuing doing this podcast and keep it there until we find because U t A and forget who else who reached out to us to help us with this hip hop union, A couple of people, but until we actually get this because I'm God bless you. I don't ever wanna you know, you know, I'm not gonna work blessing to day. But that's all something happens to

you tomorrow. Royce. You went to your level where you had to get sober and you had to do something why And then you know what happens is the whole world says, well, M should have stepped up, a right nigga. Let me, let me let me just say something. Let me be fair about this. Yeah, M should step up, but you know who should step up first? Hip hop? The community. You gave your blood sweating tears to us. It should be like a gil like. It should be like any time any nigger in our community he get

locked up, and it ain't right. It ain't murder, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't something. It's all a crime that we can respect. He was selling. We get that, nigga. It's a crime that we can respect. Let's get him. But if you was to get sick right now, poplex so sorry, there wouldn't be nothing to come to you but them but a Paul hos of But your own people, and that's kind of not their responsibility. After you give us seventeen years of your life. Yeah, I'll see what

you're saying. You understand what I'm saying. I think you give us seventeen years of your life. It should be a union that just says, oh Royce is sick, or shut the funk up, everybody, move the fun back, my nigga. When I got sober, I didn't even have health insurance insurance. It's something new to people. I didn't even I didn't even have health insurance. I had a ton of money or no health insurance. That's just that's the nice thing

we think about. It's like, but it's the first thing that poplishes is like it's a big business and it's like a lot of money to be made, but it's like you get no information when you come into this ship. Everything you learn is based off of making mistakes. Unless you blessed enough to be around somebody you can kind of like point you in the right direction. But you learn everything off of error, and statistically most people don't

survive those errors. Damn. So it's not hip hop is not set up for you to succeed, to set up for you to fail, for sure. Absolutely well, please don't say hip hop, say the business, the business entertainment, because hip hop it's made for you to be whoever the funk you want to be. You just gotta be who the fun you want to be there. But the business is definitely yeah, yeah, goddamn listen, I'm gonna stop up.

We did the artists do they drop? So their own shout out to looks now that's right now and um yeah yeah I loves now. And then we'll do the picture together. Yeah, and the drop, let's do it. No, no, the drop, I want real start doing the artist by the s