Episode 120 w/ Tony Rock and more (Part 1)

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and providing the hospitality. Let's bring up to a little world what we think about guest today. We think of the person that you think is not listen Listen, you think that he's not getting a lot of pussy, but he's getting a lot of hustle. Chris Rock, who thinks that, you know, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you, like, as a person like who's married, I like to look at people who are single, and I like to appreciate you all. And you're looking appreciation Hall of Fame appreciate. Yeah,

I'm just saying, he's not him down. He's out there, he's living right, He's doing what you gotta do. He's from Brooklyn. And listen, not only that, not only that, I feel like he's like the black Slime Secrets. You did say that earlier, because he got like ten shows. He's on BT, he's on Netflix, he's on UM, CBS Netflix, he's on CBSBA. He's this motherfucker got so many shows. He don't even know how many shows he got. And he's right here with us right now on j Chaps

to network. Motherfucker. Let's make some noise and welcome to motherfucker right. Brother. Every week I see you on another show and it just makes me brown because I'm like, this guy's out here and you're sucking the industry. Because usually the industry fox up usually like usually, well the niggas getting bent down. They're like this nigga hit me today. But you're like this, you're clearly like you now, you're mister.

You know what I saw a long time ago. If you watch any sitcom, Let's that's Let's sitcom for instance, you watch me sitcom from the eighties and the nineties two thousand, the names behind when the when the credits roll, the names behind the cameras, all they always the same, the names in front of the cameras three or four years and they've done. So I'm trying to be behind the camera and last forever, I'll do my time in front of the camera. But whensover, I'm gonna be set

myself up behind the camera. Damn that. So my name was just going to strolling and you'd be like, oh, I didn't even see him in it. You didn't see me anything I produced it. You didn't see anything I directed it. You didn't see anything I created it. You didn't see me and I wrote it. You know what I'm saying. So I'm setting myself up for the long holder. I'm not gonna lie. I'll sound effects is crazy. A sound of it, you know, for I just might hide you just just just just but you gotta get through

the back story. So it's NBA All Stars Sunday. I knew that, you know, people were gonna be watching the game and doing whatever they was going to get ready for parties tonight. So I knew if I'm gonn to come here, I'm not gonna waste your time. Boy, y'all brings some entertainment. I'm not gonna bring some friends, friends and drinking and smoked time right here. I got, I got friends in the building. I got friends in the building. Say I'm not gonna lie, say happen. And here's the

crazy thing about how you compromise my marriage. Let me just throw it out there, you know, just keeping there because I'm keeping there because usually, you know, somebody would come over and then like something would slip. But the ship that he got slipping, like he had just a black titty just slipping. It's just it's just black titty out there. It's just likely like and you know, I like black titties, So I'm like, just like cool, it's just a black titty out there. I'm like, oh, ship,

she got a black titty. Just just out there, and then you have a light scaled white pussy. It's just something light scares are. It's two different things. I'm sorry to me. You know, you know I'm half black, half water wet. Okay, but you just had it out there, and I'm just saying I just didn't expect Tony Rock to come through with a just a black chinny just hanging out there and just hanging out. It wasn't my purpose.

But I knew I wasn't wear an underwear. And I'm very open and free as a woman, so I'm good she free as a woman. Man, I have no idea what that means. Please, um, I can you elaborate. I'm comfortable. We do whatever we feel. So well if it's a comfortable. If you can't hesitated to drink, you can't get money, man, they can't get money. I'm gonna sit listen. We can't get his money here. Let me just tell yall something. I so much respect a person being who the fun

they want to be. I'm deaf with this. Yeah, it's you know. I'm listen, you're tired. It's okay, we want to I'm sorry. I don't want you. I don't want you to get arrested. You know, like I mean, I felt like he was going somewhere from something that's cool, somewhere right, Okay, you feel to go. I gotta address addressed. I was inappropriate right now. I gotta yet, I gotta I gotta get right. I gotta get right. So, Tony Rock, how does a person coming from who you are right now? Now?

You have a unw situation. Yes, I's a unique say you have a neat sit situation where you actually have a famous brother that had when they made it up to a certain place, right, but that doesn't mean that you're gonna make it to a second place. Absolutely, So how are you saying to yourself? You know what, love big Bro? I think mcbro was the greatest in the world,

got the illest thing. Because it's like jay Z and you actually right, how do you say, Yeah, jay Z is my brother and I love jay Z, but I still got to be my old jay Z. Yeah, how does that start? Because it doesn't matter if it's your brother or your friend or relative or just a homie. Whatever they do is for them. You know what I'm saying, You gotta be on your own path. And like, once you realize that you're in your own lane, then you don't worry about what the next man is doing, good

or bad, you know what I'm saying. So when somebody fucked up in the game, you're still like, I gotta do my thing. When somebody getting it, you gotta go all right, good for them. I applaud you, but I still got to do my thing. What I'm saying, I concerned myself with the checks that say Tony brock On, I don't concern myself with the checks to say nobody else. But but Big Big Girl started before Big Big Brother

does everything first. Let's be honest. Big brother was able to go in the street then play football before I was. Does that mean I shouldn't want to go on street and football because you already give it? Big brother was able to go on dates before me. Does that mean I shouldn't want to go on dates because he already did it? So it's just like, yo, he did it first. But I don't mean I can't do it the same, gonna do it better? You know? But how intimidating was

that was? Because it's not like it's not like your brother was fucking um like Jack Brock's little brother, like your brother is it wasn't he was Frank Stallone? Yeah, your brother is talking shout Frank alone is the first name. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Brother is actually the guy. He's the guy. Here's the guy that's the blueprint. Like he's working,

Like how how hard is that? Like? Like I'm gonna be honest, right, if fucking my brother was the berth of Duran, right, because I'm Puerto Rican, right, So I just went, wait, are you a boxing this? This is the reason why he knew he knows it? Are you? It's the stone? So if if my brother was, we're Bertho Duran right, and he's the guy that's gonna box and beat all the like I wouldn't want to box.

But that's a perfect analogy. Gonna watch me flip. Okay, let's say your brothers Mike Tyson, right, let's say your brothers Mike Tyson and now your boxer. It don't matter who he thought and what he did in the ring, you still gotta take those punches on your own. You still gotta throw those punches on your own. So whatever Mike Tyson did, your brother Mike Tyson did it, don't reflect on what you do even don't you do the same thing. He got knocked out in round tens by

bust of others. That don't mean that you're gonna lose to so and so in round ten is that was his fight, This is your fight. We do the same thing, but it's a different fight, and it's only it's it's weird because only in entertainment, doesn't seem like, you know, if it was two brothers Brogan McDonald's, nobody would give a fuck because no, no, But he's two brothers managing

the fucking chinkles. Nobody giving fun. But for some reason there's two brothers in the industry in the same brown that there's no way, there's no way that's doing awesome for each other. But let me brack for you because it's in proper for you guys to make sure she's gonna live. You know, I'm okay, Like when they come to you, like when they come to Dream Champs alive and they leave dad, we love it because but you know, honestly, you guys are two brothers from Brooklyn, And just so

you know, I have seven brothers and two sisters. They heard that. We've heard jas Chris Andre, Tony Derek, Brian, Kinny Corn, Andy Jordan's. But it's the two. That's that's Baby Rose. Maybe Rose Entertainment rolls the show on Netflix called love Baby rolls on to our baby bros. Netflix because they are big enough black and you had I'm no, that was no baby. It was no baby. Let's explain what happens to you and Monica. I got off the plane. Monica said, that's how you know I'm sucked up? Doesn't

I got to plane. This is the whole story. I got off the plane at l a X TEMs rand up on me. Hey, Julian, Monique got offered five whatever that was, and didn't know that Amy, she one has got whatever whatever I said, Yo, I was always taught, and I please, anybody doesn't. I don't know anybody's don't Please tell me if you was taught differently, please tell me. Don't come. I was taught you never count nobody else money? Is anybody else anything? Can say that he wasn't taught

that right, That's what I was told. Right. So I never said she didn't deserve more money. I never said she shouldn't get more money. I never said Amy, she was worth more. I just said don't cons man money. That's what I said, But it was crazy social context. Social media went crazy. Yo, you don't love black women, your sisters, you don't want hunters. Twitter was bunn, you

don't love black people. I don't hate. It makes it seem weird because I'm saying with a white girl behind me, but you don't love it was crazy white girl, by the way, like it's the normal black I never said she didn't deserve you know what I'm saying. And then I said when they asked me about it again in the next interview, I said, if she had a real issue, don't do it on social media. Don't tweet and post on Facebook. Coolie, she don't have my number, but I'm

sure why my Monique said that. You didn't like she was like Tony Rock didn't support But this is the thing. That's what I'm saying. When Nick is doing on social media, you do want from the people looking at it. You don't really have a genuine problem with that person. You want eyes to see you. I don't do it on social media. I do it in real life. And I got a problem with you. I don't have your number, but I'm pretty sure to find it about wanting you know what I'm saying. So I was like, Yo, she

just called me. But in real life, right now, Tony Roight, I think all the money. No, no, no, I'm not saying that, Tony Rock. Right now, we're life. You have a budget five million dollar buy and you gotta you got a million dollars, I'm giving it away or I gotta be Okay, I gotta give away for what? You know? You got a million project, you have five million, you already gave away four Okay, I got a million million to do? What to hire a woman in your film?

And this has nothing to do with race A million your film, and it boils down to Amy strom S. No, I think they both worth more than a million. So a million, I'd be like, damn, I wouldn't. That's not the question. That's not what's just like saying, that's the budget and those are the two people. That's the budget, and that's all I got. Hard choices, those are your choice. Who was Tony Rock? I wouldn't give up to Monique? Okay, the role next ship that of Special? I was special.

It's a role, Okay, what's the wrongs that I get a role? What's what's the role your toique. Listen, let me tell you something, Monique. I think we really love them, but we talked on people gets through that I had an issue. I I don't have any I said, why we didn't feel her movement in the black community was because we're looking at your brother getting twenty million, We're looking at Dave getting It's clearly she wanted us the boycott Netflix before my brother's special area boycott ship when

it's coming in a week. I got a boycott and my brother, my brother especially coming and I got I can to do that. I can't have that. I'll give it you later, but I can't tell much right now. Everybody dropped this motherfucker's ship was saying, listen, and I love Monique. I do love Monique, and I want to but I just didn't feel like the timing was correct, Like she didn't she didn't um check in with the

Black delegation. Like at some point when we hope, when we when we contest as black people, we have to go through a delegation, right and we have to go acts and like like instance, we got to make sure all black people like she did with it right now, so we gotta wait till she's wake up. Right? Did I go too far? No? No, but this is what I'm saying, and I think, I think, I think naue. He didn't actually go check with the Black delegation and that's what happened. But now, okay, we have people like

Mike Apps. Right, wait before you go any further, I'm the opening act for Mike Epps tour. So shout out to Mike Big. I'm Mike. Mike could have picked anybody not being his open that and he picked me. So I got major love big people like Mike Apps. When you think of Mike dring Champs a Long Night by the Way episode, sure, when you're thinking people like Mike Epps and you think, damn, yeah, we got my good what my man? Goddamn you don't getting this podcast if

you don't come getting this. So look, So when you think of people like Mike as we think, we say damn all right, cool, right, But there's also people who people look at as Mike Epps superior, like with Kevin Hart, right, I don't look at him as a Mike app superior, the superior. I don't say I just say you said, I just say me. I'm saying there's people like when you it's serior, like let me, okay, let me, never lets you. Actually I'm gonna give you a better it's

just like me, right, just like me. But when if when you look at certain years I put it in a game, there's a red man that comes. He has to can come before me because he came before right, right, there's a better man because because it came before me. And it's the same thing Mike came before Kevin. This is what I'm trying to say. But at the same token, the people look at keV like a bigger entity, a bigger no no, no, listen appear for me. This is

what it is. The industry will say who's bigger based on sales and tour money and movie money and all. The industry does that. The people who'll say who the champ is. I would rather be the people's champ than the industry champ any day. The people say, yo, that's

the nigg is the truth. The industry says, well, based on his new movies and his tour budget and this they do that based on numbers because I don't have to be the peoples champion because recently, uh see what's going on my brother Gone becomes to become to very ticket. So recently, one of the best shows that I love to watch, The Breakfast Club, had a person that I admire, uh said, and he clearly said, Kevin Hart wasn't funny me personally, I clearly disagree with him. But again, I'm

not a comedian. So that's like somebody saying That's like somebody like a red Man saying, Nori don't got bars. Right. You love red Man, we love red Man, and we love LORI. But him saying you don't got bars, you have to actually critique that because you're like, damn this, this guy is a person who we know who has right. So when when phase On said that and Cavins my man, the first movie he ever did was called Paper Soldiers. Yeah, you paid, that's paid? How you be cool? But what

when I'm face on said it? It fucked me up because I was like, damn, it's there certain comedians out there that feel like him, just like you said, it sucked you up because it just doesn't even seem like it makes sense to you. That's why, right, it doesn't. That's why I said it must be personal. I said, I that sounds like it's personal because I don't know two people that would agree with that statement. So this

is gonna be a personal ship. So if it's personal and we don't know what the back story is, let us know the back story so we can go, oh, okay, so we can have a choice and what side we take. What I'm saying, if you tell us the back story and you know this what he did or this what he said, then we go okay, Well, now that makes

sense that he said that. But right there to just say that a blanket statement like that was like, that's sound personal, that's sound personal because I don't know two or three people that would agree with that, you know what I'm saying. So something must have happened for him to take that stance against a dude that it's worldwide recognized as this guy. It just seems like hating. It seems like, no, it don't seem like but it didn't seems like something's going on for you to find Tony.

This is the only part that I have to disagree with you is is he actually didn't seem like he say they actually genuinely if listen, if you if you genuinely feel that way, because I genuinely feel a certain way about a lot of ship that people don't agree with. If you genuinely feel like that, good for you. It's all good because the masses. This is what it is.

Social media created this whole new thing where if you don't agree with the masses, you're a hater, if you don't follow, if you have an independent thought, you free to have an independent thought as long as it's not against the ninety nine percent. I have independent thoughts. That's

always against the nine nine percent time. That's why my Twitter is like you you a hater, You don't like black women, you don't suppop only because my independent thought is it's own here with it And I don't believe in what everybody else believe in just because they believe in it. I have and I can back that up verbally or you know, factually or physically if you want to do it what I'm saying. Okay, So let me

ask you. Did your Twitter tell you that you didn't support Unique only when I said you think, I'm so sorry apologize money, Um, But your Twitter say that they didn't score them only because of what your brother had just got. No, it wasn't. I didn't even see a lot of tweets about his money. It was just I didn't grow I didn't jumped in front of everybody and go, yo, let's all fucking say funk Netflix like Netflix. I didn't want.

I was like, Yo. What I said was, first of all, I'm not I'm not gonna, you know, boycotted because my brother's special is still yet to air to I'm not gonna boycott. Did you say that in the same sentence? Yeah, I'm not gonna boycott my brother specials? Yet you definitely

because it's like, yo, shoy, that's not my money. Why would I fight somebody for your money when you stood up in fourth for my money, or for for comics money, or fourth for the regulation of paying Okay, so tell me all right, So, but when is the time that we have to stand up? Like like when when when Denzel doesn't get the next skill aboard? Like when is the time for us to all stand in humans? And

because here's the thing, right, here's the thing. Right, you might believe in something that I might be your friend, right, and I want to believe in what you werelieving, But I'm gonna do it from a distance, right, and then and then and then I'm gonna and then somebody else is gonna believe in what I believe when they're gonna do you know why? But when is the time for you know why that black people to stand and you want to know why that happened? Was it Kaled Kaepernick moment?

Was that moment? Let's let me say something. Black people wanna be woke. It seems it's black wood at a woke and this black people out a fake woke. That's convenience. They're like, you know, I want to. I want to be like, I'm against this whatever, but I don't want to get in trouble for it. I don't want to. I want to be woke at convenie. Yeah, I don't want to. I still want to go to work on Monday. I still be woke with my job. The civil rights moment,

don't take a sipar rights moment, rights moment. The bus boycotts. The US boycott was like, yo, it only works if everybody's involved. If half of y'all they gets still doing on that bus, we fucked. Everybody has to not get on the bus. Like for us to boycott the Hill today in this day, in the age when nobody's ready to be all. We're not watching the NFL, nobody's ready to be one dent, we're not supporting whatever. When we want to boycott this, when it's one, then that's when

you affect change black people in this country. Now, let's get off the subject. For black people in this country make the least amount of money in this country, we make the least and spend the most. We make the least and spend the most. So if we ever woke up one day and say, yo, let's do this. A cop shot a young kid in whatever city and the cop was from what we know, that wasn't justified. Let's

all boycott Nike for one year every black person. You know what people saying, Yo, y'all better bring that fucking compliment charges because these nigs not spending their money with us. That's how you affect the white man. You affect the white man in this pocket. No, you're right, I want to be sin agree with you, but we're not ready to do that yet. We're not ready to do that yet because you know, I feel like you used the

wrong example, Nike, give me a better example. I feel like we said we don't buy McDonald's for Yeah, I feel like that's a better example. Okay, so we don't go to McDonald's because we know everybody doesn't identified with Nike the way we identified with McDonalds. Like you know what I'm saying, Like McDonald's is a universe. I think

that's a better example. But you know what I'm saying, I feel like if a kid died on the McDonald's block and we took that same approach because because the police killed him McDonald's block and we said, you know what, McDonald's didn't do nothing about it, So we're gonna you know, I feel like that. I feel like black people are not ready to take it there. We're not. Black people are not ready to take it where it needs to be taking in order to get change. That's what yo.

I love my people. I'm not against black people like black women. I'm for the moving. I'm woping the motherfucker up, But y'are not ready to take it where you need to be taking to get change, to see a visible, actual change in this country. You're not ready to go there. So it's just gonna be comfortable. So recently, let's not even talking about something that's so so revolution and let's go let's talk about something that's something like that's light,

like lighter. We're gonna bring it back. Makes what makes sure she's like that? Right there? You get some water or something here. So let's just let's talk about something let's light, right, y know what the funk? I'm never leaving. I'm just throwing it out there and then throwing it off my low off people there, they're too good. Thank you so much more, my brother. So let's talk about

something a little less lightening. Right. Jay Z probably made one of the best albums of his whole career, Family Feud is the Mother, but you know, one of the best album's whole career. Right. Everybody in the rap game kind of stepped up more than him. I kind of said how annoyed we were that jay Z didn't even win one award at the gram What is the problem? Before you answer it, what is the problem? The problem is we're still looking for the Grammys to get initiation.

We want to know what it is. You don't really want to know what it's. Let's go the record companies. The record industry is part of the demise in black society. They promote lean SIMPI, lean they promote shooting niggas. Yo, how could the record company, let's take I'm not gona say a name, but let's take Jack's record company. How could you promote the killing of black men, killing other black men? How could you say, like, that's some ship

we're gonna sell and package himself and promote. How could you do that? Because don't give a funk about to consume the black consumer and the black agree with you, but you gotta agree, Listen, you gotta agree drug use. They promote violence against women, they prop misogynistic lyrics, they promote gay by homophobia. But if you say, how you how do you think all the Jewish people in America

did it? Credit? That's how they did it. And that ship don't win no awards Because if a nigga, by any chance, if that sparks any niggas bring to be on a better path in his life, we don't want that. We want you sipping lean, shooting niggas, fuck bitches, baby Mama's drama, These funk niggas, Jordan's guns, that's a whole on y'all sell them. We don't want you telling niggas to buy property and stay with your wife and raise your children. Nigga, this is against the fucking status quo.

So you're gonna win no water and ship, so the next nigga won't think of doing it. But why is our society is you know whole to the saw that don't you think that do? But see this think that's why jay Z so dope because jay Z said, you know what, this one ain't for the fucking masses and for the culture. No, no, this one ain't for the masses and the numbers for the culture. This is the

people came. This one is for the people. The problem was he came to the Grammys with his wife, what his daughter, even his daughter the last point, Yeah, but you gotta go. You gotta go sit there with your badass wife and your kid. I didn't want no wars, but I got more attention to this motherfucker than anybody in this space when making depositive stop got Carol, and you also problem some loose girls. Let's just play. Let's

playing just because because that's like lesson my message. Just now. No, I like that you come here about listen and look she has no underwear. I respected, no, nobody's nobodies. What about it. We're just saying that we recognize you have on no panties and that's a fantastic thing. I'm just said, I'm just doing it out there like me personally, I have on boxes. It doesn't it doesn't mean you like you might be a better person to me. Yes, but how does it work waking up and just say fuck it? Okay,

this is my first time in California. Wow. Not only that, I'm just very comfortable in the woman that I am. I'm confident enough to stay in California. They don't wear panties. I don't hear anything in California, to be honest, I just heard that. I mean, I've heard has been the opposite. So you just go out there and go to skate bro and let's just do it. I'm wherever. I don't know if I want to be there. Well, yes, it is so fucking fantastic. We want to tell you that

we appreciate you. I just want to say me and this is not our first time meeting me and Tony, uh you know tot Okay, Um, well I was on anything. I'm about to say. I thought you was like, okay, so I was on a date. Just um, a man, barnt me there and he was a man, a man. I was on a day with a man, not a woman. You never So he brought me to the show and then he was talking about relationships and being comfortable and you're skinna. I mentioned some men get like like being

penetrated ass. I don't know. I never talked about this. To continue ahead. Um, so I had mentioned that out loud, like I'm very comfortable in anything that I say. Um, it's very true. I've meant men that like to be fucking the ass strapline by women. Um. People have their own opinions about that. I've never done it. I've never done it. But he met and this goes back, and so he was like, and they saw the man that I was with was just sitting there and he's in

the military, but he didn't know that. And he was like, well, you needed to thing yourself. And he was over there embarrassed as fuck. That's some stupid girl that he met opened her mouth tearing Tony show in front of everyone. So now everyone thinks that he likes to clean the ass. Um. No, this man that I was with, he's going she didn't do a good job. Well, that's what I said, And so Tony met after the show. She said, play, I

just no, but Dad's delightful. I'm sorry, I don't know to camera, get this out of good Yeah, I'm going to get some money up there. No, but I knew she was finished. She came out, was out, and then I'm not gonna lie, your pussy was out too. But it was like like pussy was out, like respectful. Like it was like it was like you was respectful about take your cake. But that was hard to me. But she was just like out. You know. You guys just

got it, you know. And I was like, that's like as a married man, I was like, damn, Tony Brox'm sting a woman mind that. I feel like that matters because Amber Rose promotes all this nipple showing like being a hul But well that's what I'm saying, like being who you are. But me personally, like, if you are in a monogamous or whatever you are, relationships should be exactly that and whatever you and your partner grand should

be exactly that. And if it's right for you, cool, if it's not, and then everyone else can suck off. I have a roll with my sister. Throw that out here, and I want to say that everything he says, I agree with her. I'm so sorry as a stripper, as a woman, as somebody who was sexualized. Seven. I completely see where she's at with where she's going because what I wear, whether my pussy is out or not, I'm still a woman. I still respected, and you deserve not

to be touched too. Like people like you came here and it was crazy because the wind blew a certain way, and I was like, holy ship. I was like, Holy moly, is it pretty? Is it pretty? But I'm asking for myself. All right, let me just say this is different type of man in this world. There's an ask guys, this titty guys, and then then this cameltoo guys, and I'm just throwing it out there. I'm a cameltoe guys, so

like that's who I am. But I was like, oh, she kind of like waived me superman type of weight, Like it's like camelto who was Well, so yeah, I recognized, but in a respectful way because I know I'm being filmed and I know I'm married, so what. But I also had to recognize your greatness and your cameras. How how can I not I appreciate that we're expecting each

other because I respect you. I just wanted to know I was expecting and I respect the fact that if you wanted the flashipuzz that she was okay with me, it was okay with me. I just I enjoyed it. I'm desensitizing the fact that I do that for money in the club though. Maybe that's what you did it for free today and it was trans it was transac. Come on, your fan, you're not saying it must be a fathers stay man like listen, man, you can go

and listen to something. You can look at something that is very pleasantly and you can you can you know what I'm saying. And you know, hopefully my wife. I love my wife. I feel like she trust me a little bit. Y'allie, Maybe I'm we did. We introduced him already. Let's let's let's go. Let's do it. Tell him how many funk whom how many people you managed? You still managed the industry, just a humble servants. Let's talking about the first out the limit? He the first out the limit?

You know now you know you're not a little sucking. Do you want to introduce you want? You got what you do man, listen, there's a pleasure and honor and all that to even be sitting here. First of all, it's a pleasure, honor to be on Drake and podcast. I told you how many podcasts I watched, and I gave you all movements from each podcast that I enjoyed. And Fat Joe told the funniest stories and DNA stories that was crazy, and and fifty said got drunk as

fucking puff was made mixed drinks and all that. I really fucking this, he turned. And it's a pleasure to be You have no idea. You have no idea. And I see I see Norion Miami and the last couple of times I saw he was in Miami. And I've been backing. It's been up, it's been love. I've been at my dude from your long time ago. And uh, this dude right here. I was on the sitcom a few years ago called All of Us that Will Smith executive produced and created. It was based on Lucy. That's

what he did, like basically managed. Yeah, and uh, and the Philly connection, what Will did in Philly and what he did for the city and how he like Galvanizer City and you know the culture of philosophically, but I'm gonna cut you off because that's what I'm known for. Our drink champs. Okay, the Philly dupp for your judge, oh yeah, and the meek Mill case said said that Meek Mill should stop being managed by Rocking Nation and go with you. Is that correct, ladies and gentlemen. I

don't know. Back one time, y'all listen, I'm on. Uh, I don't know if this is the truth or not. This is what I'm saying. As a media person, I have to always receive the information. But they're saying that the Philly judge and meek Mill case said they wanted him to stop being rock Nation and to come to you, which is Charlie Matt which and then uh and do a remake of a voice to men. Again, I don't know whether it's true or not because I was in present. Okay,

so I don't know. But did you hear this? Of course, of course what you say again, of course everybody else. But but when did you actually kinds of a guy came to the court that day and he was like, wow, Charlie, the judge said, you know, I mean, she was like shouting out your name and it was like, okay, cool, I kind of that was because you used to manage

discover the men discovered meek discovered boys. The man brooke, well, here to l a a night and taking eighty eighty seven eight eight Okay, he said, that's so humbly I need him for you to clarify when you say discover it, discover it again, you sit in said, taking taking that dust and making the diamond if you will. Yeah like that, man, Yeah, like that again. Cover a couple of times with three brothers, couple three, every one more time. What you want to

want to stop? We want to start with because first let just just let it me knowing me to say this come next year. I've been I've been in the business forty years, but I started in the age of fourteen years. Yeah, and I'm fifty two. So wow, and you look and you're looking um twelve degree doing something you know where we don't look at the it'side right here. Represent the years I'm living. This already represent. My brothers aren't here, but that's a lot of brothers in so

so therefore I won't diet. I'm wanna get them out. I am who I am. Represent that the four. Let's explain explaining how because with the exception of Whole, with the exception of Puff, Will has to be our person to look up to. Like it has to like I don't give a fun when it is I don't give an if you don't agree with Will's content of music. But you have to agree with Will's bank account. I think it's bigger than the bank account. Let me finished. Now, now you're seeing Will, But to me, this is I'm

a street nigger. I'm a shooter, like I didn't have shooters. I am the shooter, right, And he's my favorite person to follow you to break here and you know I'm talking about He's my favorite person. This nigga follows camels and kangaroolls. This nigger Wheel is just he's doing different ship. He scares a guy that is his friend from Bohemia. Do you watch? But I'm just saying like he's one. But like, aside from Puff and Home and now, when you think of the richest people in hip hop, we

think of Puffing Home. But the problem is we don't think of Will. Can I can I please? Okay, So here's the thing you said, Will Puffing Home. Yes, it's three different dynamics in that jay z Will be the guy that came from nothing, that came from the projects, and to take all three. But listen, let's not jays. Give me the guy that came from the projects, from nothing, public housing and took it to a level that we were all like holy ship. Nobody could come from nobody.

Nobody could come from there and go to there. Okay. Puff was the kid that showed the hustle. He didn't necessarily come from humble means, he wasn't poor, but he showed if you work hard enough and you're believe in this ideal Hart if you've seen Kid's stop Roll Stop, you will disaboten if you if you can do, if you find it out. Okay, I'm listening to work and Will was the kid that was Okay, I'm from the

inner city. I'm not necessarily poor, but my vision is so big that if you we're hard enough and you rinding, you don't have to be a gangster to make it out. You don't have to be a killer to be like. You can still be a guy that's like I'm wreck and I represent the culture, not necessarily the hood culture or the worst, but I came from I think a neighborhood. I think I could say that you're trying to say a little better, meaning they were used to the New

York's hoods, right right. We were not used to the Philadelphia hoods at all. We actually thought Philadelphia was lying, right, But it was all that we were lying. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying we're talking about because we didn't we didn't we we thought it was a cheese thing. That's a New York thing. New York is New York doesn't listen. The suffre only gives some about New York. Even nobody in the South. For the South, you no way in the West, for worst, it was all like you what

you got, what you gotta think? Though you got, you got, you got the black mantfit and you're like, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm talking about for people who didn't travel outside of New York. When you got people figure something. But I think there's everywhere. I think I think that's everywhere. When you had people who track, I've never reached out and gravitating towards another sun Yos has always been like a week right on the barrel. Nick suck.

But you new Yorkers are still like yo, the Nicks, Yo, the Knicks like good Year. But the New Yorkers are still like you. We ride with the fucking Knicks, the fucking Clippers. The selling is the okay, see all that one. Sudn't been to the playoffs, but were like this man Nicks, nigga fuck let me because we saw in a new

frame of mom, you don't can't. I'll give you example of why I was one of the first New York Nakers to mess with the fraud, to mess with the David band cash, to mess with the cash man to me, because I was one of them dudes that went out of town and said, oh these things, like I was one of those names. Like I was the first person of her with Eve. Her name was Eve with Destruction. She wasn't even Eve, she wasn't even one of her riders.

She was with what after man was doing some quickly when I came and I was just just just like Compton. But I'm never gonna tell you, but that's how I cooked up with Eve and her thing was even destruction. And that's the crazy shit is Like, see, for New York, we just at one point we just had a les him of where we see we see forward, but now

a person like me. When I started to travel and I started to see the reason why back that asshole was working, the reason why fucking you know, clip clips eclips. I'm in the first video. I'm in the first video. I'm I'm grind then and where I begged me and say, yo, please can you come here? And I paid my own money. That's why I pushed the t you ain't on this podcast. There, listen, man, I'm about I'm about to come see him. He's my friend. It's a great threat. It's a good threat. It's a

great threat. It's great. But what I'm trying to say is New York we had it so much that we could have been that sport where we couldn't recognize other things. But me being the older person, to me being a person that's global because I've always been black and porter we can so I always had to have a balance. To me, I always had to be two people. So knew that I had to be too. That's why I'm the first person that Little Wayne ever collapsed with. Wow. Wow,

that's big nineteen. The cash money because they before a while stretch they when deal with nobody. I was the

first person night and Corbaca, let Merca not work. Let me take away anything from you, Corbaca, because me and you was saying it was in that same But what I'm saying is we took those certain risks and that is the reason why there's people like Buster browns Uh, there's people like Fat Joe, and there's people like myself who said, you know what, We're gonna be New York niggas all day, but we're also gonna reach outside of

our normal aspect and bringing in other people. Joe said that in the podcast, he was like, he's in Miami, in Atlanta, he knew that. He knew that. Yeah, yeah, that's just like New York has been its own its worst enemy, and it's message like his best friend in his first enemy, because you all was so popular. But one time that we was like, yeah, we knew, you knew, we didn't need we don't need to reach out to yall. We didn't. We popp it. We got the best bars,

we got the real lyricists. We had is that really got skills and bars, and then we didn't even take into account that might be a nigga someone else that could do the same thing. Then when they saw the bottle and he was like, was onside. And then we had the mad Rapper telling niggas, y'll nigga nig y'all niggas can't deal ship. Yell Derek, guy, Angel lady, we need to know how did the mayor? Yeah? Yeah, first off,

very good, Derek. Let me just tell you something. We have a whole podcast of you and your producer skills and everything you did as a hitman, right because your your your legacy, um can't can't be wrapped up right now, right because it's so some pause poll. Yeah, it's so big, it's so long. If your pettigree, your resume isn't tactic, I'll never gotta say. Poor dr just just want you listen. You're like, this is a real big up. But how let's just stay to one part of your career right now, right,

let's do it. First of all, thank you, No, no, no, because because it's so it's so Luxy's right, Charlie Man as well, and Tony Rock here. So I'm just I'm just I'm the high school with my brother Andrea DT since I was like ten years old. Let me just take something Charlie bang d Dot, Tony Rock. I'm gonna just be honest. I know. Let let me humble, Let me humble myself. It's like all of you guys deserve an episode of us just talking to y'all for five

hours by you guys. So I'm just saying, Charlie mac Nigga, I was so, I was like, it's chili. He wants to come and like Tony said, like Tony said, my daughter asked, just now, I'm doing the domino right there. Found out was coming to like, so you're doing drink Champs like you're gonna drink Chap. I'll watch it, and you gotta think I'm saying these are two and three or four hours were for viewer. You saying like I'm saying, I want to invest it and it ain't too many things.

I'm saying that at this point, get life. I'm saying, you wanna give that much time to if they aint gonna check And it's it's it's it's it's the culture. It's but more of what I'm saying, y'all, you're important to us, you know what I mean. And it's it's it's a respects respect, It's what I'm saying, it's informative, it's real. So for me, I connect with that, you know. That's what I'm saying. All three of y'all deserve your own, you know, three hour episode because I would go into

each one of your careers. D not invited me to do this. Show's right that you show. Yeah, but you're coming. We're talking. But everybody said, he was like, Charlie, we can't do like a few hours, which I got to do a day of life, you know, and just on you because again it's spanned so far, so it's not like we can get into anybody who work with We just want to do it when you you know what I mean. So I'm like, you know, that's cool, when

that's honorable, and um, you know what I mean. Even more because like we have a history from Brooklyn before we even got into what we got into, before you got into what you got into it, before I got into what I gotta do. Then when I got into it, I haven't see what you trumb says great separation. So it's all it's all take your troll back and we got got that I'm saying. And of course of the names when you was out Kobe and meet we're bringing you down to Philly doing your show. Yeou everys how

did that mad Rap? We all enjoyed that because one one let me just tell you can tell you something, one thing that people don't know. At the same time in the mad Rap scenario came out, you will also have the number one record. Indeed, so a lot of people were just, oh, I love it, I love it, but this is a crazy thing. Get water play somebody from it was a lot of people didn't understand that you were playing the massigna of like a hurt person,

a person that had nothing. But at the same time you was on the you was on top seven records. Absolutely start field words right started like a skin tell you. I'm gonna tell you how to start Well. At that time, we had the East Coast West Coast thing going on

another that's we're in the middle of that. So we're sitting in the studio one day B I. G. Proton Junior in Mafia and staff and everybody, and the video come on the screen and it's that video that Park had made up where he was playing big and they were playing puff and up. The thing was called hit him Up. They leave it and we're sitting there like this, oh shit, like this is crazy. You know, all flow from the nineties. We want to get the money, the cribs,

the cause. We don't want no problems. We come in peace, peace piece. We come like that. Now you you can't be serious. We're getting ready to put up new beats, were getting ready. Are we giving wrong? It's pandemonium, like phone calls are being made. What the fun is going on? And I'm sitting back like, man, this ship is for real, but we can't get involved in that. That ain't the life I'm I'm I ain't living like that. I don't want to have to walk around strapped all day. That's crazy.

I'm just here to make some music, you know me. So one day I just I saw that, I know, I know, to get him back, like it's like how you you know you kill somebody with kindness. So I'm just gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make fun of him like haters like Tupocket in death throwing. It wasn't it wasn't a spoof of them. It was a spoof of anybody anybody that our energy is giving money. We're shown you boom, you know we we come in peace faith. Think of like looking out look at us. We put

on shiny suits for niggers. These are the realist some of the realistic as you don't styles. You know, these dickens. This is the slow class everybody that you go to. These dudes, these are real. They just made this real wounds, this is real bid wires, and they're women to compromise. Did y'all reach out from the coach. Did y'all even reach out to dust Row to try to this old ship when it was like at his height? Of course

we did. Really, we come in peace. We want to pro reach out to come on that right there is gonna just have to stay where the stays. Yeah, it's gonna have to that's gonna have to stay where it stays. You know what I mean. We don't make it to be almost fifty with that type ship. So where we got to the mad Rapper was the beauty of it was. I hadn't used the people from the studio. So the guy that's doing the voice was Trevi and Jones that was his real name. He was Puffs like second cousin

or something to that fact. That was a real voice. Good morning everyone, how are you everything. He coming every day and I'm crowning him every day anyway, So it was natural. And the girl who did the Highness to Shape, she went to front this girl that was her real name, she just wasn't from New Word show. And I told him what to say, how to say, and I just went in The actual skinnes is four minutes long, but we don't use actually came out that you actually understood

that it was working. How was the approach that you saying people coming back here and saying, we gotta keep this going, we need I gotta shout out, DJ clue, Wow, big up clue. I got a big up clue. I'm doing the mad rapper and and um and um and um um. He he allowed me to put a freestyle on his tapes like an interlude, but I turned it into a rap to keep it alive, like fucking is alive. And he put a tape out and I put a verse outum, and now I'm on the streets with a verse. Okay.

Then Paul says, let's do another one from my album, but just I came with another character. Now I'm gonna do like oh yeah, Now I'm gonna do oh yeah. So I'm I'm I'm gonna bring your brother. Now you know I say, I'm gonna bring your brother in, and I'm gonna turn this into a franchise. Why wouldnot? But

we're not, you know what I mean. That's that's where it came from trying to distraction to very distractions coming rights to the two pockets he said, he said, they're going to give you all the things you need to destroy yourself, right right right, Tony Rock is like, is bringing everything you need to just dry yourself actually charging that?

Because when you think of Will Smith, right, the thing about Will Smith is, um, he's a person that I would personally like the pattern myself after The only reason why people will never say you're trying to be like

Will Smith because I was the shooter. That's it. But I really wanted to be the same exact person that Will Smith is going and the fact that I shot somebody in the sprot of you for throwing that out there, but yet, but I really with the music that I was coming with from that very I'm sorry that you're bringing the but what're you're saying. What I'm trying to say is Will has one of the best careers of a hip hopper like like, and what I mean by

that is nobody was bad at Will. Like if you ever said, if you ever said, like if Will was ever a drake, meaning you found out somebody was writing Wales, we wouldn't have gave a fun like we didn't care like to this day we heard that, Yeah, that that was that was during like after Independence Day ala, things like that, because we're literally we were doing uh big Williams styles while we were feeling you know. But what I'm saying is you've actually man as Will even trying

to know. Well, no, I was a Will confident, you know what I mean. So that the Renzo Pin, the Renzo Pin, then BENI meeting with Ja and James Lash and then of course Benie Medina. I'm just manage it, I'm saying. But me, I'm saying, I'm the guy for me every day, all day, every day. Again, So so for me, I was just when was so like just making sure you know your rhythm is right, you know what I mean, making sure you understand what's out there.

Would it feels like what it smells like, the tastes like a turkey, Yeah, of course, you know what I mean. And again It's weird because I remember eight I think it was on Run's house tour and so we were so we came back to see real post up picture him all those photos of my photos. I took good

photos of all the photos. Any photo that you see, we're back Thursdays, like I'm gonna throw it back Thursday, King, So any photo you see that will tell you know what I mean has And then Manai Charlie the thing about it wasn't that again for me, I'm not knowing. I didn't know. I'm saying. I knew that I'm saying this is gonna matter some years down. Will of course didn't want to. He was like, why are you taking on these pictures? And now I guess what Now it

matters now. And then of course he's at he should drove me out about being on Instagram right now. That's what you can't get him off on me out right because again if you look at my saying, I'm I'm like the Instagram bully, like I'm coming there, but I'm like it was made for me because of course I'm gonna taking pictures. You know, I was hanging out, was like, how come Michael with Montgomery Darrel Dolphins or Cureton like this was like like seventy seventy and seventy seven, seventy eight.

So for me, I've always been a fan. I've been an ultimate fan with the access. So so it was Will when he decided, Okay, I'm gonna do this whatever he want to picture. He's like called Charlie because I got now I get people have watched this. He was married twenty years. This past uh New Year's Eve, I gave him his poem that he actually wrote to Jada and night and seven as pol I get to Will wrote a poem jan Will wrote a poem to Jada.

Uhed twelve years. I keep it going. You wrote the poem that he gave me the phone, me give me the physical paper, so I kept for twenty years. I got it. I got it actually framed last year and gave it to him on the eighteenth this year. You know what I mean. So I'm like a hoarder, so I keep everything. I keep everything, like so like when Will was nominated for the first story, you have all

the ballots. I just want to clear a fix something because you said something earlier, and I'm like to drink chance fan to clarify that, because you said when when we said will Smith name, you said you discovered will Smith and then no, no, I took him and introduce to me, but to give him the first Prince of bel Air. Okay. So now that's what I did, was that meat mail? When I said million, you said, yes, Okay, I need to get the men as well. Okay, I need to. I know Charlie back I was wanted, but

I said, know who the fuck you for me? Pus, But this is my job as a drink champ. Absolutely, you gonna make him plain. I gotta let the people understand who you are. Absolutely right. So the ship that you just said, that's not no warm ship feel it feels it feels normal to me, of course. No, it's just not normal feel to me. I'm gonna tell you had a weird boe. One time we was we was in London and we was on tour Boys the Men, right, and I was sitting there. I was like, God, damn,

was like, these guys are boys in the man. But mind you and up to I know Nick since he was three years old. I'm with Kobe the day that Jerry West calls him in his house when he tells him, Charlotte, one draft for you and then we're gonna take you over the Lakers. I'm there with him because Kobe's from Philly. From Philly, Okay, right, so man going in going everyway thinking some good sha happen. We'll like to refer to it as Charlie Gump if you will. You know, there's

a bunch of historical moments. No, okay, but but let me just I'm so sorry because your ship is floating good. But the New Edition movie, yes, so that movie, okay, and watched this you know that part when actually Mike meets boys in that right? So so yeah, so yeahs I managed you ass He played Michael Beavers how came from the Empire? Right? The guy in there, the big tall guy was me and then the group, my group

brotherly loved played boys the men. So it was like really like a out of body kind of a surreal moment for watching that being played. Well, it didn't happen that way, just so that was my son to played

son to played me. So so Mike actually wanted me to do it, but I really this thing that this game so wait a minute, yeah, so so so for me, Um, the way that actually happened was Nick used to be in a rapper Nick from Boys and used to be a rapper called j D t R. And so I remember him as a family going to church every Sunday.

My brother used to make him sing with neu Tho songs. Yeah, he find used to say so when he found when he found out he was in the reporter, he was bullying up sick in the six make him saying one of those songs right soon over that. So you know it was five if you look at the movie, it was it was five guys in So Martin Nelson actually was the original member. You got Mike movie like track as stand Faveridge, so so so uh so Mark Nelson

actually came back from California, came to Philly. He got with Nate and then he told him again and I just for a group. Mikeael was the last guy in the group. Mike Mike, Mike McCarry, Mike McCarry. So, Mike Mccarrey'm talking about boys the man right, So I had to put Mike in the group. And then they see me I was going with a young lady by name made me Brown. That was that dig Yes in Philly. She said, why don't you go to this ext woment. I go to the event. Five guys run up to

me and he says, that's Charlie Mack. They run to me and said, could be singing for you. And I was like saying, I said he was a So you're saying in the movie when new addition movie that was actually you. There was a meeting, I'm saying again. They say, Michael bus and you know I'm seeing you, so so let me let me tell you mappy so so again. So they won they walk up to and so they walked up to me and they're like, you know it's Charlie Mack. So they could be safe for you. They

saying can you stand the ring? I was like, god, damn, so Michael bisiness nowhere let me finish. So so they sing for me. Man Will was living together a time in Lord Maryann. I go back home. At the time, Will's nineteen. I'm like, well, I got this group boys the man stay crazy. But Will's inside of his situation, you know what I mean, He's and he's young. So Michael Mike Tyson invites me to a party to play them out here. Come to the party. I come to the party. Come to the party. I come to the

party of Michael. Business is there, I said, Mike, I got this group and Philly nat Boys. Then he said, I said, they have seen any y'all songs better. I'll be in Philly next week at the power House. I met this guy backstage that powers. I'll get back in the Philly. I said, if you want to meet somebody, who would you want to be? You want to see somebody doing sing for They said, no audition because of course boys demnute, I saw me get your audition with

me me back door at the at the Powerhouse. So they came that day, two of them stuck in the front door, got number three. M came backstage. Maybe he was back in the saying can you stand the ring? Uh? Mike said, well, I gotta I gotta deal. I'm gonna do with Joe's j Busby. Joe Busby is in New York. We went back on tour the next day because you know what, of course on birthday parties, everybody's coming in there on tour, so we can we go out of town.

Mike takes boys have been up to New York for Jeral buzzby the prestis history as you would sound nice, nice, true story, true story, the whole life, up right story talking about Will Smith. Don't sleep on Will Smith. Will Smith on the bar he had you know, no, no, no, no to the full all that pop stuff. Let me take another thing to just you can check this. Okay, As Eric asked, L L S Run, I'm talking about to date. When you see Eric, to date. Okay, we've

never took a hell and we have many fights. Okay, we've never taken hel not one, not one, not one, not one. Hear what I'm saying to you. Definitely street curses never got but that's one, not one. And we've been in the game. I'm telling this Will this thirty thirty two years at this point. Okay, number two, get all. That's what I was saying when I said jay Z is from the hood niggas, and they recognized that they

identified with jay Z because even ud nigga. But that don't mean hood niggas and niggas that grew up in middle class ain't the same niggas the niggas that grew up middle class. Like yo, I thir nio, I was bad. Two I was dead he had. That's what I was. Don't say like niggas in middle class like Yer was a middle class might be. No, it wasn't middle class. One than they can't grow up up the middle up

middle They don't mean a street nigga. That don't mean like a nigga from jay Z from the protests proga. It don't mean because even mosty objects that a nigger like upper middle class won't still stand up for his say. I'm saying, Will is the person I'm telling you right now because it happened with us so many times. If it's if it's an Inkland that's going down, he stuck a punch you from the red from the rep sucking punch. Yeah, we're paid to go down. He tell the story that

tell us abody. Will told me this story. We'll tell me story. He was a chicken l A. He was in l A doing Fresh Prince. He was taking some chicken. You probably know this way better than he was taking something. And Johnny Gil was dating the same girl and they was beefing back and forth, you know, like telling said Johnny Johnny Gil and the best is a crash party, and this is we all told me. You make it come about something. Party was like thing was like the

second season of Fresh Person. Johnny Gils was the rat party and Will said he took a bottle of champagne and poured that ship out and had that ship behind him, like Yo, I'm a crack this thing in his head

with a bat. Well, you guys, think about that, watch this, Watch this now, thinking about that, you know better than thinking about this though, I'm saying a frame of this for you, right you think about this Jade as real as they come, right way, Jada kiss Jada, alright, because the real j jad kiss is the real text, my profits. But watching what I'm saying to you is because that Jada, of course, it's really they come to from Bottama. Jada's a g I. She also said, I'm saying, James j

Jada married the fresh Prince. Okay, she married no sucker, Look look at her, Pettygree prior to that all thorough you know what I mean, Petty Chris Thorow. I'm saying, but they didn't marry her. She married Will Smith, Okay, so it's something to be said for that. You gotta know a few the woman got to know a few things that I'm saying, first and foremost, you're gonna take care of me. Secondly, i'm saying, for Joe can get out of pocket, I'm you're gonna handle that. So that's

that's proven. That's to do with old school. He said joker. When said joke, you'm talking about what he just said. I'm saying, every chick in the business want you. Yeah. No, I'm sick when I think of that business. Don't want period. I'm saying, no, the dude in the court ain't getting paid attention to. It's the dude, I'm saying to everybody trying to get that okay. So again I'm saying it

speaks for uself. But I'm saying this go on record that never been a on the on the side of the table with the copy kids are apt because that's what they were known. Because I was, of course the street dude, how the street you know what I mean now as a filly person, and I apologize now I gotta bring it back to you. So because um, at one point it just felt like Meek was taking the alas who was yeah als Like I just felt like A that's that's after my time. I don't know. Yeah,

I'm just asking like how did that fail? Because the thing about it is, well, I'm gonna jump in. What I'm saying making is Mika is again he's proven again for me, that's the thing that actually drew me in. Like I know, I'm saying that, ain't nobody gonna ride or bounce that beating the way that me gonna get the pocket and let let me do more take let me just say him with Drake once he went at Drake again like that was a bad man. That's all.

That's all subject because again it's it's like jay z RNs right, So that's about who we are you at and what you think and what actually when somebody says, um, you know Nori don't ana lyrics, I'm saying, if that's a person, I'm saying that you looking at him, saying what you're looking for? When are you actually judging that? Because there's people that love you the same way they love hold You know what I mean? So you can't. Again, it's subject. It's based on what you you know what

I mean. So again I'm saying, I don't see Mika is taken, feel up you and see make has taken no El period, Right, so again I'm saying, how did they fail in the world. I thought that because because the thing about it was, um, I'm with you, like I'm with you. I felt like me stance was actually appropriate, right, But the world felt like Meek tweeted as opposed to rhyman, and when Great actually rhyme, it kind of made him feel like he won that subject subject you wanted this thing.

I think if he's one of those him, the Great thing was a bigger picture that people didn't even realize. It was light skinned, dog skin. It was both parents versus single mother. It was hood versus suburbs. It was it was all that. It was like, well it was. It was all those dynamics and you're gonna agree with this. It was all all those dynamics. And then it was his response was weak as fuck. No. It's first was like, yo, we want you to win, street things like, yo, we

want you to win. We were waiting for you to respond to this motherfucker and kill him. And then you didn't respond the way we wanted you to respond. That's when they said he took a l tell me please said no, no, no. The West Coast mcst but could make you know for what. Then you said, if he goes, you know why? It was a bigger It was a bigger situation meaning meaning meaning it was a Philly when one of the when when this was on, I was

on as a person that be on tour. I can tell you that while I'm on tour, I'm not giving it the one million percent of acknowledgement. Then I can be because I'm I'm on tour and I'm going out and I'm getting my dick suck or something. This this is right before I was married. I'm sorry you looked at me like you with my wife, Like I'm going out, I'm doing this certain things, so I'm not exactly focused. So when he said that, I'm related to that, but I knew that I was the only person that kind

of related to that other than rappers. You listen, it's hip hop is a cluture. I'm giving it to you saying himp hop is a culture. Hip hop is the way you dressed, the way you talk. You will none of the people say I'm not a rapper. I am from the himpop culture. So I about artists, but I am a hip hop artist. Do you y'all the phones do you get me a little bit of credit when he says, yo, I was on tour. I fully, I fully understand it, because not just that I'm saying, I'm

dealing with feeling. You know, I'm saying I'm dealing with the first hand. So I know it's process. He's a person that will live each sleep ship in the studio. Right. You can't get in there and do what you do. I'm saying again, if it's mind somewhere else's mind somewhere else here, that's just what it is. What happens happening. What happened to general public? General public is I'm saying demand to some of you. But again, public don't hate to handle it. So whatever you sat your face, it's

always fire. So you sure the fire. But look, it's deporting, don't do. There's a court of all and there's a quart of public opinion that there. Let me say something that's right. He's right. You gotta prepare for one time, right at all times. So if you're not prepared me right. So so basically when you go into negotiation, if you ain't prepared, war losing because he actually started the battle.

That's my point. He actually that's my point. So you went into more unprepared with a motherfucker that million that got got bars appear already. Okay, let me get in there. Let me say one thing I'm past. I'm gonna say one thing in the past to you. The one thing was Drake's whole thing was you say something to me and I'll never get an apply for it. That was

like one of his one of the famous. The thing was he made two songs before he made And I was gonna say that was so famous because most famous ship, you diss me and you'll never can never applied for it. So me, was it like out of his mind to say something and think yeah, but okay, now let's now, let's give it the rap, because Brad, let me introduce you. Let me give you a problems. One, you're one of

the lyric who giants. You're fucking you're a person who understands lyricism, and you're a person who understands like what what with new respect to any of us head, I'm putting me in the same category. You've been in lyrical war with some of the biggest people in the game. So now I need to hear your analystic I was gonna say this Drake has one thing, the same thing when Canadi's got into it with with l If you don't have two in the chamber, you already lost the fight.

So you're gonna do one. It's called a ferret. I'm gonna say some ship first if I'm a starter, because I'm gonna have something already in response to what I already know you're gonna say about you better be prepared. You gotta have knife. You didn't gotta with shetty. You're chatty with the knife, so you're gonna come with me thinking I said, guy's not gonna plump the machine and chopped your head on. So that with Nick, who who I feel is you? You kind of said some funny ship.

He was like niging the projects, dark skinned, IM like drays, light skin niggas drag you know the Canadians like, I gotta I got what you was doing last you I was. I never had because all the look all the basketball niggas is just the lights. I'm telling you. It was a little bit of award. I was like, I was like, Nigga, where's the West? He stipe, Nigga ware the right niggas, that's win night. So Drake was in a great position, and honestly, Meek went autam and wasn't prepared, and nobody

cares about I wasn't if he wasn't ready. Nobody to this day nobody ready. You're right, you know, like why nobody? Yeah, went the credibility and that's never going to some bad Explain why nobody don't care? If you were living in social media world, everything is instantaneous and me, I can get out here right now. Don't get ahead of everybody and make up a story. And until you can, once it goes out, it's kind of hard to put the two paper back in the two. So dude went out

and then Drake didn't FINA's them. He did that. He made club party disc records that the Chiefs could sing too. It was a fund up design. He was smart on it. And I don't know what Drake like that. I don't know Meat like that. I'm you know, I'm a student of this game. Some people have more inter relationships here. Drake got a team nigger, He got seven niggas helping him talking up with a couple of bars. You know

what I'm saying, This is writing camps. Now. He didn't you don't you're gonna pass for that, I said, I I don't no reason about some of the days that have balls river, I know fifty years old. Story. Hold up, tell me we're a difference. You don't meet. We don't give a funk if you ready or not. We're the fans differences like we're going on the outside of you're trying to make a difference. You got one guy righting versus ten guys. Right, that's what I'm saying. He didn't

get the fans. I got them, and the fans don't kid and I got what you're saying. He just wanted that. But again I ran when you being a hurt record right, it's yourself, I'm saying, And you don't have a time of the deans. It isn't how many times said, because don't care. Hold y'll stay like just stay. We like brings up right, I want to go right back. I like going back every record heat writing. Somebody's in their pen.

And when we know we can't sit a bed and see that now, we can't say that's the lasting this. That's not to say something, says Aliet Charlie Matt one of the we sat there. We had Steve Style in NA shows I wanted stout. I got that addressed too, because he's a little disrespectful that he was a well Steve Stole said what he said. He said, Steve, Yes, NAS wrote um geeky with him right, he did it right there, and then he said NA should have wrote

more right. I mean that's his opinion again subjective, subjective. Okay, So how did you fail? How did you feel when you heard him like that? Say that I was there? Okay, I'm there, so you knew he knew that. I'm saying, but what was not going? Like? But again he's making men a black making and I'll leave. I'm saying he was doing both filos boobies at the time. You know what I would let Nash? Yeah, man, But guess what I'm saying that I think Up said about it, said

about it. And again what I'm saying, and then I'm saying, what does it matter if I'm playing I'm saying no, not only that, I'm saying that record right there, that a right there was those biggest album today? Yeah, biggest. I can I ask some question? Let me ask some because I'm in the rule and I'm sitting in the room. That's not jay Z, Memphis, Beanie segu um Um Young Junna, Stop Peter. And every day we're in the room with these guys, do we logically think as grown ass men

that nobody in there. Sometimes that was a problem with this particularly different though it's not different. It's no different. This is called production. It's not called made the best man right, the best verse, and you win that way. I don't know this. You know there's no rule up to hip hop, right. I know that's that's not true.

That's right. I don't tell you that. Probably around around late eighties nineties, that's when I think all the ghost rights start coming in, right, because early on it was based on you being able to write about autu like this that was done. Isn't tell you like this when you considered top five? Yeah, you can't have you expect. I agree, that's the agree. I'm never won't go fry your top five. That's you fling every time your body I think, go around times out time to say fact,

they tell us out. I agree what you're saying. But where does it change from thy helping you write to a day in studio on Monday? This idea? Okay, Hey, yeah, don't listen. Figure does it when I'm gonna stage what I wanta stage? When I'm on stage, when it takes bad comments in the room, and when do you go yo his idea? Something you said this, you would have said that that right? That show doesn't die right, He's right?

When do you say go trying to idea? No, I don't keep you wrong, said it's not if they wnt tell you to go? Was the study where you wrote it? And the way you don't? You that nothing? You take it on the content. We're gonna say, what if dory sais something that say we liked it, but I said say it this way and all of a sudden that's the most memorable line there is. Again, but that's where does that? I didn't mad it, write it, but I haven't made it a lot merorable laughs. He did, But

that's a lie. It's a lot says memorable life saying to you is your greatest practice? Have got it? That's I'm quoted. They have snow, they've stolen, they've got it handed to them and they borrowed. They they will publish and checks they all have dead it ship right with you. I'm saying, go Yea's a lot of yea, or hit me and say you got I ain't never had no right, and that's fine, but you don't get an award for that right. What if you The difference with DA is

saying that. I think the difference what you were saying is you're saying if a hit record comes from anywhere, it comes from anything, but also saying I'm also saying if I coach you to become the greatest, but that's for you there. You don't not just the to me, it's another writers. Another writer can help you become another rabbit. You don't think Jane got better by sitting next to this man next? Yeah? I think one. Okay, so listen,

I'm just taking it. Let's go. I want to if you don't think that next time while he sitting to him, I might take what that and put on take a little bit. You you gotta wna give it. I'm gonna give it to you. The thing about it is, I'm wanted to send agree with you. I wanted to set that me sitting next to the studio with NAS made me step up to write my part of body in the Trump. But he didn't. I didn't say that but he didn't. He didn't write my ideas idea to believe you.

I don't want him to say, tell you what you just said. It made me a better person because I sat there with influence energy, you different thing from from from from me saying I'm motivated because now's in the studio and now now's is saying here you're saying no North, can I actually say you because like let me you can say it here. This is your ship you say this.

Now I'm not that I not have. I actually became a person that I staying on the mountain, still on the mountain to tell these people that this is once a person did does that and I've done it. I've done it like where I've gave my actual literacy and gave me to another artist and another artist said you know, you know, I gotta tell you this line and this line because they didn't want to be me exactly there we go. They didn't want to be me, and the crazy chick is they say, no, we're not gonna take

your vision from you. Like if that's like like pun punt gave me. You came up, But what making it happen? What what wasn't in there? He said. You came up and I put what what making that happen? From rapping on the car the possibly go. I put my other lines in there just to say I wanted to know, even though you put that in a position, but I got I want my own publishing. And I'm saying nothing

wrong with that. I'm saying to you. They are rappers throughout history that have written their own ship and they get all the trumps what I'm saying to you, But I don't know when the rules like when the blur the rule that comes in that says if you're in this category, you lose credibility because someone else. We listen to SOO Wraps. This is when it started. It was first of all, there was personal responsibility and wrap you

had to be the nigga you says there was. There was a time before the interview, before you even got in the studio, because it costs too much fucking money either get dealing, hoy or your fucking friend that was fucking playing some sports. So because I don't even cut you off, but you see what you just said. You isolated a certain section, you get general generalized. The ruler you generaliser did the plant over. We had dating Danes.

We have niggas making records. That word trying to portray make ga't work because d J is a project dude. This is a dude for four Greek privat but just decided to make novel teeth. That's what I'm saying. Let's gonna say that, but they don't don't because they're type of records. He be, don't no, don't define it. The records by that day gotta be that nigga. And I said, that's that you just just you just past when I

see him. You just made you take You said you wanted to have serious and that's not what I said, bro. I said back in in the earlier stages of the ship, somebody had been invest and it was not no record company. It was it was within us, within the confines of what situation we had. But you had to be who you worked. So even if dad was damon Dane, when it started to be like who, when it started who

they want? Listen, listen when it started curious fart the spirit selling each what they want, Jesus said, resting, he said, not just every day they wasn't making it. Didn't do that. You passed to talk out and started that. First of all, they came from let's let's go. It was a little let's lyrically first, let's go lyrical for here. First it was lyrically for this was I'm just so cool. I gotta sucking credit card, says I wish you would. I gotta sucking food outside and take me. Yeah you can

do you're taking, said Jerry Currs. I so cool. Then it was it was it wasn't I'm so rich, I can do this, I can do that, I can take your bitch. Then it was so so gangs. Then it was yeah, I'm black power. Then it was I'm so gangster. I sucked you up. Then it was I sell drugs, I shoot your mom's. Then it was like a fun just we don't get funk about nothing. And then he turned into a emo and my bitch everything. It's that softest picture. Question it we just said black power, I said, yeah,

but it wasn't black power. How they were called the Africa, I was black. I was two kids in a cipher that was back flower. Before they were you reach it to you, they wanted to dropping the tooth. So I'm saying, y'all categorizing like we all have to portray ain't who we really were? When I tell him, you're waking up every day. I got a man who's wearing the feast with me. He't wearing that feast to go to the fucking store. Furious five wasn't wearing the feathers and the

belts to go to the store. It was costume but a train. But who's riding for train? Not? You're taking it into the performance category Earth when the fire wasn't wearing for the Plexi race looking one of its quiet in my life, being quiet because I honored, because I'm saying the criteria of being a rapper again to get your your name came based on I'm saying lyrically, you've been. And when we think up, when we think against the rap, what's what's my man that robbed the bank from Sybil?

Sat thinking doing life and definitely and we we think against the rock, we immediately think of New York and we immediately think, no, no, wes wet that we're gonna get desk. No, no, no no, no, let's take it back. Don't I tell you I'm telling you no, no, no, no, don't tell you question about I'm so easy, easy and icequ told me the only reason why he wrap was because of school. He did. Listen, listen, listen, listen, you don't you told my listener, I say, New York City,

so West Coast. We heard SCHOOLI d we heard school. No no PSK P chab was everywhere. We didn't did p with us the world. If w A came on, the Tonal rocks a real hip sing story the rest name it's so easy, he said, what about the best? He got shot fuck because a funk about the breach that suthing was like, oh ship, these names is crazy.

First name don't make any listen every time before I see somebody like come on, you know, um um drink chance like go when I investigate that and I'm really, you're really a hip hop like you know, like like I'm so proud like everybody else, the greatest I ever heard. My brother had a party in the basement of our house. My brother's Chris. He was Chris. He was a d J. Everybody he was he was. His name was fucking dj. Uh we need to crease or something like that, uh

snap back something like that. And we had a basically we had a party. We had a big We had a bought in the basement house. I snuffed downstairs into the bite baseman and I listened to a forty five forty five A run DMC suck MCS. It was the greatest thing I've heard of my life. It's not you know how some ships don't even it doesn't even red set in your ears because you never heard something like that before. So my ears was like, what the fund

is this man? I said, I heard nothing like it before, and Run DMC to this day is the greatest fucking rap group of all time. So that day on, I've been a hip hop historian, not a fan historians. One of their whole records, they wrapped um what's her name? Whole first? Right, somebody else's first? Are they still the greatest rappers? They are the greatest rappers? Wait, wait, wait,

tell it this way. It's got ther run. He took the red reckon and racked it because, like jay Z said, I didn't know that, Like jay Z said, like Jaz said, I didn't cross up. I brought the streakers listens, got run DMC writing. They took the original record of walked This Way, the arrow Swift version, and put it into a way Okay, what's jay Z's look, I didn't I didn't cross somebody. I brought this, I brought the day I brought to do it, says years right, right, one

we see that I didn't cross over bould. What we say to that, I don't I know you want? That's just the same, are like this generally want. I don't don't know what you want. Breaker, I'm trying to say, he's saying. I'm trying to say a little. We can't judge no hip hop. No, this can't tell another or listen. I'm saying, if you claim it be one of the great, you cannot be a go grade. Right, you don't get right so so so so all right, so me and

talk and Johnny Mack, Right, me and Johnny Mack. There's one thing I need to kind of stood time and jolly that this stuff one of Cholny mats savorite mc is of all time. It's mel No the favorite craters. I'm talking about recent recent it's Kanye West. Okay like that, Okay, no, turn them around. I'm gonna turn the micro round the mic. No, no, don't no, no, I'm saying to you, I'm talking about in terms of lyricist is a difference. Kay right, he

doesn't absolutely fact everybody. I'm seeing one of these players. Then tell Meline no never Er, no doctor, I say dot, I said rapper, I ain't say lyrics different. I still get difference. No, got a difference. You see what I did if I didn't talk racists ready, ones that wrote the five, one that wrote their lyrics. Listen, so five, No, I wasn't no because I'm saying again I'm reason. I'm

saying reason man. Because again there's lyrics. There's there's lines that you love from him that was written by somebody else. I say, that's not a big faith. Everybody knew that. He says, I'm getting it. Said, No, No, there's there's no Listen there's one talking about girl. No, no j j j Z with j J. Here's lines that that you love from that that he didn't write. Yeah, you've

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