Episode 113 w/ Kareem "Biggs" Burke

time for drink chimps, drink up mother mother. He Hank set Green, Hope, your Savia, it's your boy and O R. What up is d j E f N And it just drink chats, motherfucking happy hour makes some. Not When you think about it and you think about independent regular labels, and you think about people who grind it from the bottom to the top, one of the first names you have to think about it's Kareem biggs Hofa. And the reason why you gotta think about it is because he

was the guy on the front line. He was the guy who who who participated. He was the guy who made sure Rocket Feller was rocket Feller when Rocket Feller needed to be Rocket Feller. And if a case you don't understand who I'm talking about, we're talking about Kareem Biggs Burke make Some Mother and joining us as well because I asked him to participate. It's Mickey Benson. The case you guys don't know who Mickey Minson. He managed Fat Job, he managed Big Punt, and he's still managing

Iced Tea, which means his money still long. So we're gonna take it from the top right now, right now, Uh drink Chance podcast. We we we a don't know hip hop. We recoppresent hip hop, and that's what we want to do. But the thing about it is one of the illest things I've ever seen in the hip hop was when Rocket Fella Rock wrapped the Buggy I bins. Right now at this time, for people that don't know, because everybody who got money, you're probably looking at me

and saying the Buggy bins. You probably like that's nothing wrapping the buggy because that's the four thirty now. But back then, the Buggy I was like the g S four hundred last. So I just want to take it from that point. What made y'all say, let me take a luxury car because at this time, like like now a four or for for thirties, it's regular, right, But back then it was that was the S five D

before the S five. I remember doing it. But it's funny because somebody just told me the story the other day. And what happened was because that was Dame's car, and then we found out that Foxy Brown had the same call. We started cutting them all. He's like, you got the same car as Foxy, took the car, wrapped it and then we put street. Fox's gonna kill me for this for some reason. This is I was going back to

you withox but that's crazy. So so Dave actually had this car and then he found out that Fox had the call and it was like he's the CEO of ex artists. Yeah, that's what push him to wrap it. Yeah, so he's like making a street. Yeah, so now big This is a hundred year rumor, right, A hundred years rumor is the rocket Froller got started. There was money that was accolated, but the actual money that started Rocket Feller came from Biggs. Is that true. I've been hearing

the same thing man for a long time. But my thing is, don't matter where it came from. A who put in equity, whether it's sweat equity or whatever. It is, us three coming together. It couldn't have happened any better, you know what I'm saying. And plus with us three, I think that was the trial fact that I made Rocket Feller. That's the greatest nigger. But we understand you just got off pro probation bag. Yeah, Federal, I'm gonna be honest with you. You used to use me as

a guinea pig. Because you used to use you as a guinea piger. That's a fact. He was on probation correctly. Yeah, back then, and you will stop every two weeks like the end of the one. Yeah, and then you would just roll o big faith. Gary's in the middle, like, ok, I just really let let me face Gary, let me you you're man, give him give yeah, yeah, and something to be around down. It's good baby, it's something man. Heah. Man, y'all Nick has done gained up on us and I'm here, man,

you know you know what's going on. What's going on? Man? You slip? They said your drink champs. I said that's what it was. No, they called me all day. I said, what's going on here? I'll call them to like, yeah, I'm gonna be come from no basically gonna say you got that panorama? Man, it's got the panoramas. Came home about six months, hit me, it's my boy. Keep play no games with the coffee seats. I thought he loved me. My bro ain't see him sense, not like the Rocket

Fuller show downtown. We had a good time. It's boiled up with the panoramas. You know. He came home there a little time. You know. I told him when he went home, before he went to jail, I said, the word is you broke? He said, when I come home, I'm sure if I'm broken. I seen him about came pulled up in the PanAm with the coffee cake seats. I said, you're not playing no games man, man, man,

what's going on? Yeah? Making up with Look, look, let me let me just let me just bring your ball, right because both of y'all like this, this is the boss, big time, big time boss, right my friend before the boss stop. Okay, you gotta relaxe. Don't say that's my friend. I gotta say that you could be the boy the boss because my friend too, was what I'm saying. I respect that. Okay, So let's take it from the beginning right at first, was you guys starting rock and fell

up before you met home? Because I heard you on the UM what is it called the White Boy ship? Um crazy as you know right now? Yeah, the White Boy Yeah yeah, they it was a great it was a great show man. I I can't think that that's sad man found found And I was just trying to before no, no, because you know you went to before I did. They but listen, So what you were saying was was that you guys was trying to start a company prior to actually meet in jay Z right somewhat,

well not on my end. My was just literally what I said. We used to drink every day. Bigs don't care about the music, basic even know about that ship business. Just a young dude with a bunch of money, had all type of cars, cheating, just like Coop. These were hanging out drinking every day. So before you revived, they just admitted that Biggs money um started Rocket Feller. Well, I have to admit that. Yeah, there's a boss, A

lot of people say, but I didn't. I didn't look at Biggs like that because this big brother was my friend and he made me big face so we all got close. God bless Bob blah blah blah black. You know, he told me everything from the streets on. Biggs was a young dude. He just had a bunch of money. I don't wander where it was coming from. Dressed like a bum. Wo to talk about it? Would it be about it? He had a handle, he had money, dressed

like a bumb BIG's my life a long time ago. Man, say Tims were the white should I want to go too far? Bis was into that. He was just doing what he had to do. And you have the green, humble other seats. Let's see what the funk. He never talked about nothing, never thought we had to drink everything. He acted like nothing. Normal bangs we used. He had accurate leg bbs maram treated like a hooptie. I just said, let me get that ship. I didn't row that for

eight days. He's still an actual's car. You'll got a car. So let's take it from the beginning. From the beginning. Let's just say, allegedly you were doing your thing on the streets, right you and Dane, y'all, y'all, people's what made you say that, I'm gonna stop what I'm doing and just focus on this part of it. That what happened is we had a crew, the best out, the best out. We got my mind I was in the best Out. Yeah, I definitely wasn't, but in my mind

I was. So that's what it was the best out. So Dane left the best Out earlier because Darry and Dash brought him into the music business, which is Dane's uncle, Dan's cousins staying his brother okay, which it was just the dogskin guy with Yeah, so he was managed yea brother brother. Yeah. So he was like he was managing um Future Sound, which turned in the Original Flavor. He started going to school and he said when he went to college, he was he brought Damon to manage Original Flavor.

Damn got to, you know, learn the music business. Like that came back to the block. It was like yo, right on a hunting for Lens was like, yeah, we should all do Rockefellard. You know what I'm saying. We should put this together. We can do a music company, we could do this and that, and started talking about all the stuff to Hooker. Yeah. So that next day I called him. I was like, yeah, I like what you was talking about. And even though you know, me

and Dame was cool. We became real, real close friends. After that, we started spend a lot of time together. And after me and Jay I started supporting like on the road and of like that, bringing the lifestyle and ship and then that's how we came together. But who was the guy who actually met Jay first? Uh? Dan

from Clark Clark. Clark actually was on this on this podcast, okay, but also continued so because original Flavor was signed the Clark's label, that's the part we never So he was like, Yo, you should deal with this, dude, Jay, because just dude, you know, here in the streets or whatever, and he don't want to stop. So the only way that Jay took it serious is after meeting Dane. And then when Dames seeing him, he noticed he had pay uptowns on air Force ones. But but why did take it serious

after beating him? I mean, you know, and you know how Dame is, right, Dame is a motiva. Yeah, but what I'm saying, but he's a genius. Dames a genius. He's business minded, he's motivational, he knew the business, so it was perfect. He could be the mouthpiece where Jay didn't need to be the mouthpiece. So now you guys come together right now. According to Big Face Gary, at first he wasn't feeling Jay right. He just wasn't talking. Okay, I want you to because you're hard nigger and at

this time, like people really don't know. If you don't know, I mean because you know we have people from Wisconsin and all type of places. Listen to this ship if you don't. Back then in those days, if you was some Queens, you stay with people from Queens. If you were from Hall, them you stay with people from Hall. If you were from Brookley, stay with people from Hall Brooklyn's That's why I was important for me to tell

you the story. When Dames seen him and seeing Jay had on paying uptowns, that's when he was like, oh ship, this nigga cool Okay, but let me know what looking back to Jay. But here's the here's the thing. Did y'all know that when the Air Force once came out, we all claimed every girl, every girl. I don't know why they stayed they stayed up. I don't under I think uptown. I just feel like I don't give you give me my man. I Willson got I got a

great personality. I'm not gonna just say anything though, I'm just saying, okay, some things now, all right. So, so you're doing your thing on the streets, Dame comes to you and says he has an artist. Right, you haven't met him yet. You meet him now. I want to describe that first time you ever walked in. I think the first time I met Jay was in front of uh Quad because they had a session or something like that. And then you owe me man money. We go on

it funked out Thursdays every Thursday. You gotta cut me a check. I'm so sorry, so sorry, but that's where I met him. That yeah, okay, So describe a situation. Now we're just an introduction, like, yo, this is my man. This Sinnat and Jay so um. I think at that time, I know he was messing with him or managing him at the time, but it was just like we were

just going to hang out. So but I think we probably heard the music before that, and I was like some of JA early on music, and you know, I was like, uh, you know, but it wasn't about me wanting to be a part of it and not damn used to play for everybody, but you guys were already rockefellows like you already fresh out the best, the best, and there any other artists you're considering. I'm not even in the music. But this is just you meeting him

for the first meeting. So I've read an interview somewhere that it was like the fifth record that you came to the studio and then after that he was like, I want to be down. No, okay, And I never said I wanted to be down. So what happened was when I believed in eight though, was when he battled DMX, hold on, hold on, this is so big for the drink chat business. This is the so big the drink chat. We gotta actually focus everybody. I don't know, I don't know,

my man red hat, everybody. Come on, everybody focusing on this energy. Time, Unlock your energy, unlocking, unlock your energy. Okay, So right now, we're in a rough ride of the neighborhood. Right now, right this is this is a whole bunch of rough rides. Right We're not we're in the Bronx. We're not in the neighborhood. No, I'm talking about right now, right now, right so now the battle. Yeah, I wanna we heard we had Dame describe this battle. We had no said he wasn't dead. We had we had DMX

actually battle. Now d m X says he didn't lose this battle. We had Earth recently who said we think ex lost, but I want you to describe the scene. So what happens because d it's you and Dame cool with d And what happened was we was in um got Jim and my man Steve Mac and d m They cut me. I still got personal with the coach, all of us, you know what. We used to always

argue about whatever, anything all the time. So he had to haul of knights, who had to Steve Mac Steve so Steve Mac knew d and Y, so he was like, yo, let's have a battle. Him and Dame got into it about music. He like, yo, you dude, just whack this and you know, going back and forth. So they set up the battle and then we went right after to the Bronx to a pool room on it's like on a hundred or something now close to Webster, it's like one seventy four or something like that. So it was

the Hall of Knights against Original Flavor. But then they had roughness and then they had another God of Rich with another dude from Hallan and then he called d and why and then they brought d m X and then Dan brought JA. So that's that's how that that got set up. Describe, describe what happened. They walked in, but you don't notice it, right, I'm just saying, you live in that life every day, Okay, So you know they're going back and forth and everybody else in the

Hall of Knights is is definitely problem. People don't if you if you know about Hall like Hall Nights transformed into rough riders. But they say that like a lot of like the l o X style came from the Hall of Knights. Okay, you know what I'm saying. And that was a cloud Hall of Night. It was a gang, that was a group that was a gang. It was from three yeah, Win and um I forgot that were doing that. So now they come in and this this big icon who was DMX and this big icon who

was jay Z. But they're not not. But I knew DMX prior to that. DMX used to come up town a hunting forty and just wrap in the park all day. When he used to say k solo took a stop. He's still robbing that story. You see DMX like I still look, so I still want to standard. So they come together. So now what happens because they don't know each other, right, No, so it's in the pool hall, you said, So I don't remember, like you know what happened led up to it. How they arrange who was

going again too? But damon, I mean j went against d m X. They was going back and forth. And then the funny thing, Big L was the only one recording everything. So that recording that y'all see here all came from Big L. But why it was like, Yo, I shouldn't incorporated nothing like that. YO, don't tape us. So that's why the only footage is on Jake. So the thing about it is, we had Earth here, and Earth said no, first off, forget us having Earth. We had dm MAX here and we asked DMX. We said, Yo,

who won the battle? DMX said we never, He never lost the battle. Then I've seen an interview with Jay. Jay said he never lost the battle. But the thing about it was, we had just had erv here and we asked herv and the Earth said, that's the only time I ever heard DMX say I think the people thought I lost. He never admitted that you so how did you film in your opinion? So that's that's when I became a believer with J. Yeah, I was a lot of people in the Steve Mac is my man

and Dame is my man. So I wasn't there favoring nobody. It was at that battle when I was like, Yo, this dude, J is nice and he started talking about the streets right my money machine and he wasn't speed rapping a little bit, but not like you know what I'm saying, but people reacting to people, and there's a lot of people act was going crazy. But I mean both of them. It was like one A and one B. But I gave you know me, I gave J the not But I'm just saying if somebody said X, you

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Let me tell you something. I've been in this game since nineteen nineties seven, all right, and since I have never seen people have more fun, celebrate more life, indulge in the culture more than Rockefellow records. Like you guys birth people. You guys gave people life. You guys gave people jobs, You gave people the blueprint. Like everybody that's trying to be independent right now, they're basing it on you guys. So what made you guys even want to

be independent. I think that was just the mindset what happened. They got Damon J was trying to get a deal before that and kept getting turned down. So that's what led them to want to do something. You know what I'm saying themselves so that you know they came to me. I was like, Yo, do you want to you know, put this together with us, you know, so you know it was all for their country. Refused, so you know we put it together. You just I remember something. You

gotta speak to them. I remember something that was very disrespectful. Was drinking every day. Sell the comfort me big drinker, big time drinker. One of the best way they did it. They one of the best. Almost killed your man, he almost killed down Lea was dead back. They went to Live Records and Steve Rifkin said, JAYJ is not our type of rapper. Steve Rifkin base bat. They said. They said, we're tired of this ship. And they went to put their own paper up. And see Rifkin, who's laughing that

before freak because I heard this story. I heard his Zach story. Because big face I heard the Zach story. Just said, but were you involving that picture? When they brought up to Steve Rifkin. I want to Steve, but I think at that time when I when we went to Steve, we was trying to hire him for promotions. So what was what was the attitude to say, we're trying to hide him. We're trying to hire calv Louds,

you know what I'm saying. So the attitude to say fun everybody was because people didn't just ever take tale year to them. So they had those meetings prior and then they came to you. And then I don't want you to describe because I don't want you to describe things that. Yeah, but I'm saying at that time I was with them, supporting the videos and everything. So before that, obviously we did St. Thomas right, so we went down there. You know, Emory brought the island out of Champagne, so

describe I can't just say that like that. I mean, actually, I don't know why he got this into America, but what happened. He brought the whole island out of christalland don p So that's why we had more in um in the video. So we had the boats and all that ship. You know, Chris, did you hear what he said, before they went to hire Steve and Kevin laws to hire them. Okay, first off, in case people don't know if you're just tuning in, Kevin Lows is the past

as the president. Can you guys can't talk about He said, yeah, they gave me a paper bag and I was like, yo, I can't take this. I can't spins described that man talent be right. Cool, we know we're on the streets. We don't get to get into what happened in the streets. But when they come to you, you're saying, damon, Jay already had this popping, right, they already had this going. They came they had the name fell to hok okay.

So they come to you and they say what He was like, yeo, let's do this together because you had the business mind we at that time when it was hanging together probably every day for like a year and a half. So this is in my lifetime is already out. I can't get with that. This is probably right. I can't after that. Yeah, right after, I can't get with

that four years old. You got to relax. My lifetime in my lifetime, remix in my lifetime, yeah, which is one of the most people heard yeah, but the remix, you know we did. We came back and did the video forge here for the remix. It was right after that that we put it together and then the first forgot the first song that we don't even remember the first song we might have put out. It was right after in My Lifetime remix though. Now Biggs, I know you personally, like to me and all of my niggas,

I close my eyes. All of my niggas was like, nor we love Biggs right, And this the thing is, you've never been industry lives like you've never been, like you made all the money in and you were still as hood as loved it. How the fund do you do that? Like? How do you make all the money in the world? Like I remember one time I came

to a crib and you was hitting me on. I didn't even see you, who was just buzzing me and your norry you good as we downstairs like you know, the bathrooms over He talked to me about to cry. Don't cry, don't cry yet. I got some ship. I got some ship. No no, no, no, how did you never? Like I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, like not only that you know, you're invited me to my career, Like my my second day I ever had, my wife is at your house. Wow, that's crazy. Like I came through,

I was say a big you don't like no? No, he was like, no, your girls don't even want it's cute. It's like the business. Big shut me down. He's like, you girl, good cookies. But I come to the biggest house almost everything. Keep it real. No, there's no pictures that it was none of that. But how how do you maintain your sanity? Like especially like I not now I'm talking about fact. Then you was getting so much money.

It was so ridiculous. I remember one time y'all just told me to come to answer dam for no reason. Herijuana are you trying to realize? Sorry, no, we're gonna get into it. But but but let's let's just maintain I think you sa like I've never seen you go create coming into the game doing well. So it wasn't

much that change, you know what I'm saying. So obviously it was checks instead, right, So you know what I mean, the way you got money change, But it wasn't that much of a change where you know what I I mean, you really had to change who you are? You know what I mean? Now, big face Gaby, how you doing so? I'm just living that. I'm good. Are you drinking and Susa water? Yeah, let's talk about that pup Daddy story. Pup Daddy told you don't drink with the help. He

disrespected me big time. What was happening with me? Bigs dat win l A with all of us. I ain't know about the music. I just came out of jail. Bigg on them was like I was making swording threetys a week. They're living food for shelter. I was hanging down no shelter. I was working. I was hanging with names six and more the damon for a badly day. They said, what do you make a week? I said to fifty? They said, okay, fuck the megas. I want to pay you any grandy year just to hang with us.

You learn the business, You're gonna get a lot more money, man, I said them niggas. So I had them niggas every day to drink and snap. Okay, So now I want you to tell me because I listen. You know, I listen. It's the rail, It's the race of risk, so bad. Listen to it. Official I had missed you, and you know I you know I love y'all niggas like robbing. Y'all was my stinning family. So what was your first memory of jay Z? Come on, you can mix it.

You can get like my first memory juice of something, because just here, yeah, I feel like you were the first. My memory of Rocket Feller is like I said, it's not I don't know. I'm good mean beings every day, Like I said, Bags was ridiculous. We just drink every day, called me twelve o'clock. We drink from twelve and afternoon to literally the next morning. We didn't stop. Damn music, bags and talking about music. We're pushing this range over no gas gas on the regular were put us rage

on his laughing. I bought a brand new bag. My ship cut out on me even laughing, like honestly, my biggest, my biggest Mammy and Jay honestly to one of the ones was one night we always drunk. Bigges ain't for drive normal for so I played off a lot, and so I gotta do something. Jay parked on the hydrant because gesture hunted and she got told, so he didn't know. So I got caught out to drive j home, big him laugh. I drove him home, so I said, I said, J, you hid you? You hide this mom. He said, put

anything on yo, Nori. I drove him from my block to State Street and Brooklyn. That motherfucker hit me with so more run. But my face was it was skinny like his man. When he see was saying ship, they make no sense. I said, this is what the fund you're just saying, and this is jay Z jay Z, no deal, no nothing. I'm not talking about what he had on him. That's it's over. He was jay Z

MPV with BBS. I thought I had a Maserati bigs had a bunch of you know, sorry, but I'm not pulling out their biggs half range rovers legends hoop these to him and you in what kind of car MPV, BB swims? Anybody want to judge this MPV? Was that ship? Maybe he was like su Bourbon you. I was doing okay, but not like I was in this. I'm not gonna I did my time the streets back then. No one did the level of my brothers. But I did okay for myself. But anyway, so I drove Jay home. He

was saying ship that I called Biggs. The next day, I said, ja this, Karran, I told you so big, that's the bigg that's my biggest donner. He's infested, he's down business in the group. I said, big, this motherfucker's I told you Gary, Because let me just tell you something about Biggs. It's it's so hard to get Biggs to get them down with something. He's so laid back at Once you get him down with you all the way,

he'll stop. That's what I knew. Like because listen, Biggs always say I never signed the contract everybody to please. They were so rich. I was begging them. I was like, give you a contract, just like th flattening them out here. The contract there, gonna sen it to you Monday. That's how. That's how. But but let me just tell you something X.

I remember, and I'll tell my people this. All the time you had an African driver forget his name, to my nigger and every two weeks, just out the blue, I too, would just show up in my house and I'll be like, I'll come outside and then Biggers are calling me, be like I can smell it from here. I'm like, are you talking about like you're smoking haze? You hated me smoking, and this is hay Is at the time. He's like, motherfucker, look at outside with a cookie job full of weed and be like being city

for you. And I was like, you know, the thing about bigs was because because when I say big is the best CEO and not start with that story, sometimes people think I'm basing it off because you gave me weed or you gave me. The thing about it was, I would come to you with logical ship and you always approved every budget. I just had to come with something logical. Thank you. Do you think the black CEO it's not existing no more because us of that? Um?

I don't know. I don't. I don't think that a lot of other CEOs today believe in the artist the way we did, you know, because with us, it was more relationship. It wasn't just about the business, you know what I mean. We cared about what was going on in every artist personal life. If you was going through something, if he was going something with your kid, if you

got through gotten a problem on your block. We had to move people, you know what I mean, send him out of town, unless it was we was more invested than just um from the business standpoint. Yeah, that was official. Yeah, now it was there for that. He made a good point. I remember when I was working for Rockford things to pick on me. I was a mama's boy. I ain't wanna leave my mama. I think we lived a man. I'm back and for a couple of women living life.

May see with your mom be you stick with your mom. I'm back and forth. I'm i gonna say what he did. It must thin't got his way, as I will say his name. He cut me a check to get your own crib maga one day on me and Dame was losing Dame crib and we got in your car. We both got a rash that my caddy. Yeah, he eating me up a little bit. You don't right, say somebody I can take getting You know what you didn't get out there, y'all get out good rid about me. I

didn't pay for myself, y'all. Love was another love with me. I'm just happy that we were friends. You know were good. But Biggs, man, I'm gonna tell you again. I got another story right in the studio, told hook who named Rocket Feller drunk as a skunk? They can I live verse? Can you get the first right? J? That's my favorite record of all time. Sam on the Hook, that's my favorite record of ball to bus. Yeah, that's my He was drunk as a skunk. Jay on't write big said,

thank you pissing me off your bath people. Jake write up to Jake, j wonte some ship Russians. I don't know what Russia. Biggest note this is my rosh can I live? Tonk was drunk because I'm saying Jay wrote, because you say no Call was Jay's record, but we gave to a verse too filthy drunk. Dame couldn't take it no more. So he said, you gotta write the verse. I can't take this show the more. J wrote some ship looked like Russia. You know all right, we don't

leave our cars. We've bottom as you should. My confederate that explode on the set nation in my life base. He wrote that verse. I was like, oh my god. Tone Tonka's verse tone was so drunk Dame could have taken them more. That's when Jay wrote that verse, Man, we don't lease. He was like, he's did a six minutes. Actually that was my line. What bass gonna saying. I'm gonna say this, I hate the biggest me Bass got a personal friendship. He's a little cocky, but he's right.

A lot of sheep was written was through Biggs life. Man, I'm not gonna name it Biggest real keep talking about business, mind cars because saying no, but I'm that's I'm a mouth. That's my man. You're saying it was biggest money that started rocking. Everybody know that. I don't know that. I'm that. I'm cheating bottles of chamtague. I'm a country club king, boles of champagne. I'm chinking bottles of champagne as biggest cream. I bluntr ball. I'm walking to the club, Big said,

Big Favor. We're good here, Buckets, listen, I'm not making this up. Bottles this hiding on and make them ships, you don't make them Biggest. Sitting there, it's Biggs had It's like handcuff bracelets. It was like handcuff. So we're laying a little, we're talking shape, drinking, laughing. Literally, I'm like, yo, big what Then Bag said, Big Faith, you don't not worry about nothing. We're good. Mic Oh sorry, sorry, we ain't not worried about nothing. We're gonna live, Yo, the

big big country club big bottles of champagne. Oh type of ship. It was just ridiculous. But my set, like I said that memory when Jay wrote that gibberish, I know what the ship was. But that was Tone Booker's first man. That's my favor breakerd Javid there all time, can I live? I love that record. So now you guys are both farther. You meet this guy from Brooklyn. Right now, you'll believe right now, you'll believe you're you're

one of the foot soldiers. So so what what what makes y'all say let's go full fledh on this whole project? What was it was it? Was it a single record? Or was it just now? I don't think I don't even think we had that many traditionally apologize for traditionally back then, if you're from Queen's, you stay with Queen's. People from Brooklyn stay with Brooklyn. We will pass out of Remember at this time we were already um friends

for two years, you and Jack. Yeah, okay, continue, yeah, So when you know when they said to do it already, this is after in my lifetime and the remix. So at this time I'm a believer, you know what I'm saying. So when we put it together, we put that reasonable down album together. I'm not sure. I think maybe uh coming to age, coming to the age of the oldest song on the album, who knows because him and you know they did that with Clark prior, all the old

all those Clark songs and what's the other ship? Uh in my life two twos? I mean obviously because he used to perform that all the time. And cash Mere thoughts. Those are the those are those are the three older songs that random what that is was our driver and it was our driving the land of Big Big something. Put them on. We put rock foot on the place of the white limo, and we destroyed Jack the Rapper. Shout out to Kenny Burns, Kenny bron We dominated that weekend,

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get it Drink Champs. So they're gon we all together, we drink every day, biggest we kept the real Let's say we go to Atlanta. We're getting jackets and were getting rooms. We're gonna chip in it. We're gonna play hard and freak nick. If we all put in if it was it was Mrs Southern Big with the rest up. We don't have jackets, were gonna look fresh. We were bigger on them. In the limo we put rocket had the rocketroller buggy at that time we have the rocket

feller plays on a limo. Damn no buggy. We went to some part base from I don't know the party. Jay was really Jay Rome Hi talk man. We went to a party and pass on mind. Ja flipped the table over my baby. Remember they flipped the table over. Yo. Jay started wrapping and I was like yo. The people was like, who is this motherfucker? But the ship was so hot, People like, oh what the fuck? You know? You do the soul trade line. We all Hall the Week dance, so you know it took j nine minutes

ago through that line. He rapped like he like this yeah, through the line. He literally that's how you do it. He was so quiet and smooth. We went to Jack the Rabbit. We had a ball man and that's when I said, big, this is really gonna happened back. Okay, So let me let me ask you are both right, because both of you are describing, you know, both of your own experiences, which is so awesome. Right, but when individually did you really know Javis special? Because the thing

about it is, I don't give a funk. This is my nephew right here. I think he's special. Maybe I think he's special because he's my nephew. Maybe I think he's special because he's special. I don't know, but I would have to find out years down the line. Right, So when was the moment for you guys the battle with DMX? Now, du was there? Which one? There was only one the Bronx, Yeah, table, Yeah, it's a good thing. D from motherfucker bro Riders is there. I'm sorry, big,

you gotta share them. So described this battle because we heard we heard from um uh Dane Earth, We heard from herb but Earth said he wasn't there, correct. We heard from lee All no le All said he wasn't there. Le All wasn't there. Um but we heard from pretty much it was. It was a couple of people that to tell of the people that talked about this battle. So I would love to hear D from Rough Riders

describe this moment. It was. It was, it was in the Bronx of the number it was, it wasn't even it was it was in the pool and the Bronx. It was Webster like I want so many and one of them blocks was cool or guys was good with everybody, We're good everything. It was good. So what happened? How did they put these two? Like I said, we didn't know d and why I said we knew Steve Mac

and Steve Mac was they? Okay? Mike from my building, one of my buildings up on Broadway and Harlem, so I knew it wasn't even a battle for X. It was a battle for UM. I think it was a Hall of Nights and somebody else right the original flavors briginal flavors, So it wasn't even supposed to be um. Uh. It just happened to exactly. So they was battle when and then X was over here, and I guess HOLD was over there, and it was better on the two

other people was better. I don't know who they was battling, but I don't know. Mack and him have some people battling. So they was daring and it wasn't really doing much. And then I guess ex got on the table, holding on the table. Then we put them both on the table and then they started battling from there on the table. First, Yeah, so D who won that battle? Yep, that battle You really can't say nobody one because they both was good.

So I gave it like everybody both like when you hear it on both sides, people like, it was a tough battle. I mean, everybody kind of giving it up. Ain't nobody like, yo, this was the clearest And if anybody on that side say D M X one, you ain't mad. If anybody on this side saying J it was that close like it was. It was tight, like it was a battle where you had to give it

up for both sides. And plus it was an experience for X as well as whole because they both had different styles and energy, so they learned off each other. So that's what made it the whole world this way, an X that way, he was like, oh, shoot, he learned something from next hohopeably learned something from them. And they both had two unique styles and nobody really wanted was just it was like a draw. But we just had herb Gotti on right, and it came out tonight.

What's the nights? They second the second second and Herbs said, this is the only battle with DMX felt like he won, but he felt like the people chose um Jack. Do you think irv's correcting us the statement, I don't think nobody chose anybody. It wasn't even like that. It was just like it was said that Jay rom and he left to that, and that's what made DMX mad at him. That's what the Earth said, right, I'm correct, this is not my birth. I don't really I don't really know

who stayed left, but we was there. Somebody got on at the end, some dude that was real nice. I don't know if you remember that, some guy from the crowd or whatever. He jumped on the table, super nice and he just like kicked the verse and then that was it. Everybody was goingbody remembers him, don't remember it was nice. Every time got on, everybody went crazy. Every time Jay got on, everybody went crazy. So does at any point in this type of battle, is it aggressive?

It's just lyrics. It's just rhyming. Yeah, just the cruising. I think somebody pull out a gun one time, but it was a part of the aggressive guns. Guns is gonna come out, Okay, you this battle right with the Rothers had this battle right now years later. Right, you guys are both on depth there, you guys are both blacking them artists. And then you guys do this tour. What was the name of the talk? Was it the

hard Life? And it was DMX on there as well, and then DMX and I think Hole was sharing the closing. I'm not sure you would correct me if I'm wrong. And then it was like reading math from the beginning. And then it was like Memphis Bleak and then it's the it's the famous ship where um def Jam bought somebody a jacket, memp Bleak Bleak and answered my course and dropped the Gotti drop. So sorry it was let let me just give me. But you guys have this tour.

This was the first hip hop talk no violence. Correct, Yeah, sold out shows. I only went to one show. I don't know what you guys have been on the block drinking basically, okay me, I need I need to describe that talk because that tall single handedly was the tall that helped set hip hop back. Wasn't the hard night life talk, No, it wasn't hard on. What was the name of that talk it was? I wasn't the rough Rider. It's rough Riders. I think it was again that so

now let's just stop me if I'm wrong. Deep all big it was j d MX and then meth and Red prior to that. Yes, it isn't nothing hard enough like, yeah, it's Google because right now, so how's you not googling my so deep? How was that? Because y'all? Actually RB, we also had Earth. I'm sorry her give us so much so Herb said, Lee All played all three of the clues, meaning he played murder Inc. He made murder

Inc Happy for one point. Then he came and married Rock and Feller have it was hot, and then he came and me rough Riders happy, and then he said, this is Erv's exact words. We could actually, he said, he played us like a fit to do. I think we're gonna do that. I don't know. They all definitely make us feel anyway against anybody else. You know, Dame would have handled that. How about you know it was good. We're always good. We're gonna look at on Earth right now.

That might have been problem. Definitely not a problem for me. Different type of problems. Yea, So it's just a case. Yeah, I didn't see IRV got the interview. It's on Thursday, it's all right now you're talking. You don't know when we found this out, but tippy m in case you didn't see how they came out already. In case you not face Gary, what's up, big face Gary? You were the number one soldier of Rocket. Yeah. I love them boys. I love traded my life for Round. You still love him?

Why I have different like? I love that. What was your most difficult part of working for Rocket? Full name mood swings Man. He was going through a personal shift. I don't know what it was. And be honest, he's a snap. I used to hang out rest in his bigges, big girls. He got in your car, he got a rash No, no, well I don't remember that. But you know whatever I had, Well, I was a big big brother, was my man. I looked up and put me in

Harlem and anything. I know, God, God bless. But I just people that he should never talk to me crazy. Since I started working for him. He named Luca Rossi, which is a good thing because caause that means everything asked me, but I got done. But then I don't know that is personal. It's just I will never know them. But they started getting real nasty for no reason. But now that I'm forty seven, since ten years of his later, I know what it was. It was personal things he

was going through. But I say this on this Mike, I loved you, Dame. You put me on, Biggs putting me on, and like, Damn you put me on, Biggs put me on. If you'd just told me just going through. Oh Jay, I don't even talk about Jake. That's my nigga. I love Jack, come on not but what you said that he always said to me, I shout a big story for me, ja, big Dame ja in a minute. You know who knows this story. But Biggs got me and I love that. But my point is, I love

Damon bigg so much. But I love Biggs because Bigges brother was my man. And Biggs put me on too, and our game talking about and our projects. Then Dame put me to the game. But the problem what Dame my opinion was, he was going through a lot personally because I know he's a coluna. Everything's on him. So I'm like, I love Dame. Some of your pull me

to the side. I'm going through something there staring yell at me and curse me because you first, I don't care if you do, but tell me going to that ship. But if you don't know that's coming, as a man, you feel like it can't be little. You know. Gee, I'm fucked up. I'm going through something. This is driving me crazy, all right, But nigga let it all out on me because I'm with you. Niggas you put me

on my life change around, fucking with you. I was getting meetings games to before grand funking with Damn and just twenty minutes I got four grand in my pocket, getting way too deep. Let's wait for that now, stop not back what I'm saying. My point is, you asked me a question. That's a know youn getting me. No, I don't care. I'll take all that ship. But my point was I don't smoke. My fucker's just trying. I don't know. But the point I'm trying to make was

that that was like crazy for me. They changed my life around, bummb I have two rapper friends in my life. Was my friends? Norbody said, Gary, I don't give a funk about rap when it comes to you, you're my friend, and Boomby said the same thing. Norby said, Gary, this more than rocket Fuller, But you embarrassed me said that, No, let me tell yourself. One day he killed me. One day that they came to my studio. He couldn't have a call. I wasn't involved. Was you know the Yankees

in the World Series. He was like, yeah, we'll be trying to perform, yo, you know right? Yeah, I didn't. Can make fun of me. Now what you're coming from? When I went from going to jail and come home and see what we had, you understand my pain? No, it's beautiful. Those are my brothers. Now. It was a beautiful sense of Floyd's and I got a big story. Now, don't say nothing. Now they ever say, yo, show you would laxat me up. I would win the battles, but

with speed. That's when Nas came off getting over that. It was no, it was jokes, Nas j She was real. We goes Jake goes Ja put up a million dollars and said, you put up a verse. I put a verse. Whoever wind't getting million dollars? No, they can't afford it with the speed. That night, Jake literally said, you're big face. He did a show for free. I think remember us, we don't. He didn't show for free. He did a show for free. He's a big face and want you

to come with me because what's all that? Everybody? Don't let nobody take my hat. I heard you say this story. Yeah, all the time, every show we did, it didn't matter, he said, only my hat. We did. The show in Speed was for free. He said, your big face. He texted me we had two ways. I'm silver ships. You're good for the game. The game, the game needs you. I'll never forget that text. Man. But they were taking his hat. He made regular Ja's icon. Man, that's what

it happens. Man, it's a superstar woman. My big is. What I'm saying is you said all that. It was rocking full up. I go from making two fifty I was in jail, came home from doing two hundred fifty hours a week to making thirty. Granted to hang out with them and joking, get snapped on, and we snapped back to make a seventy grand week. So if they looking big, I get three grand. If they say hello with Dame, I get five grand. Why would I love them? No? I nobody never said I just knew that. You didn't

knew uh a life outside of it? That broke down, slow down, some sad. Somehow I saw how how how bad was it when when Rocket Feller closed, I walked in one day, people are Mike, I ain't even known name. People crying. Then you're crying for dame. Dame said it's over. Question what so you walking walking over a little bit. You come in to work, regular work. I'm ready to work, getting my money, do what I do. And then people crying.

You walk in and rest in peace, calling that Dame's uncle he died, I said, call my ready crying the labels over, Gary, ain't nothing left? And what did you say? I was, I was a joker for us, said I left. It's over, Gary. Do you don't know I'm going to corput ship my niggas got hundreds of millions. I'm looking for my fucking sevens. You're telling about d d MG that rocket full. Yeah, that's why I just said. I just said that. Then I just said that was the last.

I just said, Dan that musical Bay said that. Yeah. I remember walked in the office and I see I said, damn Dash music Group. I said that Basie to hear me, and I said, it's nothing here. And then I was like, wow, people are crying, and I was mean. Dames started arguing, didn't want to fight. I want to fight, and it was so funny. Beans was there that day being sent me the Philly for a week because I want to fight. I was so basically, but I also see I came

to your house. I came to Beanie seagull house, and he sick that alligate on you. It was I'm trying to get the verse and nord says, even when Nordy says, you were doing fun Ja do the right look, you had me trying to get the bed segu for Bigamy this nigga big Sam, we gotta go to this grid and something like Bigamy mess had he had a attack phase. I'm like, yo, I don't need to I'm doing with the big Hammy mess arized, nunc Rosie, get it done. So I'm fighting fighting yo, this mom, Yo, this ship,

I still got the most ship. Start a little book yo, Yo, Universe tonight, I'm feel like you got something person. But that's but that's some I love rocket full. I would have anything for No. No, we're gonna we're gonna ending like that. I got you. I love that. I love that, I love that. I've never seen loyal to like, and I've never seen loyal to like big Nig. The thing about it was I never It's just this is crazy, like when we when Shini read let's big Up. I even read big Up with Ma Duke to big up

a vote TV. They hit me and it was like, yo, you know what I think, Biggs want to do it tonight. And I'm like, all right, cool. And the reason why I hit you as well, and D from Rough Riders

is because building Phil Champboo as well. But at the end of the day, when I look at Big Face Gary, I look at D from Rough Riders, and I look at motherfucking Biggs, I look at them probably the most loyal people in the industry really, And when I when I say that, I say that with the utmost sincerity because it was at one point where if I could have came to you and said this artist is doing such and such, D would have looked at me and so winning was the came of the bigs. The bigs

would have been like, we're winning. I getn't even came to you, this thing, couldn't. He couldn't see any His vision was rock are Let me let me say I'm working about him. I don't think he's gonna remember any of the but you know, I did the streets for all y'all in Miami, death jail. I did Rockefeller. Actually I got a little confused when we had Jim Jones on the pod and I said your name and I said aunt live and I got a little confused. But

I remember now now you're talking right now. I remember the conference calls when you would jump on and it was just pure passion, like he was just so into what he was talking about, and it was it's just I'm hearing it all over again right now, and it's just the passion was there. It's always been there. Man. You got understand man, when you come, I'm not coming to us. Had a good parents, I did well for myself and from Haiti dB teeth. What I'm saying is

this that I'm coming from the streets. I did some time in jail. I came home. Yeah, say that again, my fresh one twice, big talking. What you got that the top of anywhere? That what I'm saying is that Rocket Fudd was kind of crazy. Like I said, all I knew, I'm gonna I'm gonna interject for you one second. I don't want to say one thing. I was in this game. I was getting money, but I did not know how to have fun. Meaning I knew how to get the money. I knew how to spend it. I

just didn't know how to have fun. And it was Big. I gottaver lack. Let me feel out. I'm big. Look at me and be like, this is real ship. This is real ship. I'm not even trying to be funny. Big just look at me and be like yeah, because he knew we was having funk if he was drinking, but I didn't know how to display it, like I didn't know how to be like like to show the world like if it was Instagram back then, I would have been finished because my grand would have been trashed.

And this is real ship. I gotta give it to Biggs ending like I gotta be. And they, honestly, they came to me and was like, yo, nigga, you're making money. Have fun, and they would have first thank you. Okay, that's okay, but y'all was the first two people that like you came to me and and and enforced that to me. I was like, yo, nigga, you're getting money, Smile and have fun. And do what you gotta do so and I wouldn't really your artists and that time, this is like I was in all your movies. What

made y'all you said at that time? I'm never signed a deal. We canna what I'm saying this big y'all would tell other artists from other places how to move and how to do that. There was there wasn't other than indeed, there wasn't no other people that was doing that. Why why why did you even insinuate that? I mean, that's just how he was. You know, we didn't hate on nobody movement and whatever we did, we tried to bust down the door to make sure that somebody else

be able to walk through. So you know what I mean when we're flying around, we showed, right, I showed everybody around the world under what you were saying. You couldn't go to London or southing right, No, I couldn't go to London. You'a got me a pass. I don't know. You've got a lot of ship. We'll have a little good tell us who was so terrible? We ate chicken? Remember there was no more chicken the hotel. We yea saying the story way too horrid. You know what I'm doing,

say the story. Say the story. When I don't care you want to say it, I'm gonna say how to say I'm being Gary, Okay, I know within the food hard London was horrible and we ate chicken every day. And we were starring one day and we said where once the chicken that said, there's no more chicken, but everything out that's doing chicken to the hotel. Not tell your songs races. This is not how it happened. I remember a great member. Anyway, we kept going to Damon,

Big Scrift. We kept going there getting drunk with London, and then we kept going back to the hotel. And every time we go back to the hotel was me you beans Freeway Midfleet and we ate out all the chicken in the hotel. That's what happened. I just missed apartment, got theren like my shoes, what are you all slip? Yeah,

the whole concert full, but we were dropped. I wasn't never stopping on that had a swimming pull in their room had a swimming and that's so ridiculous, ridiculous us any co London things like oh they had had they had they had a swimmer. Yeah, this is crazy. I've never seen that black frack. We gotta now they play there's no are you serious about the instructor my name? And they had a think of that you jump in this way. I was like, they had a cheff to say,

you eat this way. This is that's the booge noticed that you ain't no budget. That was the rich side. Then me, you got back to the got to what we know, but we was getting we had. We appreciated big time. We appreciate it. We appreciated. When they came out with pastries. I didn't even know what pastries. I was like, the chef came out this and it's pastries. My mother was all right, listen, I listen to this. Let's get to it because I know big want to

get to it right. This is what happened. Rocket Fella and Do Entertainment had a drink drink off. What it was. I don't know how this happened. I felt like it was together, but they wanted to separate niggas from from immediately once it came to drink. Got to break down this drink off in the crib. Now, Lazie, I cannot shoot on leaz Leazie drank every bottle, but now it's no more Vodkas, no more Armadale. Now remember Armadale is gasoline, big time. Let's go. It's Armadale. You can light that.

Shut up and you can fill your gas take off with This is the original armadal not the ship. You know he got going over. It's not a good but so we were battling. There's no more over there and my nigga down. Lazie just fall to sleep. But what's the battle? How's it? How's the battle? Anything on the table? If you shake shot big, we could go, go, go go. There's multiple bottles, like different liquors. I'll take bags, so you know what I mean. I don't say, do we

ballot niggaspend on bas moms up with bat. I don't want to say that ship, but we battle. I'm hanging in there, you know, I have the man up. Yeah, let me tell you something to me and Dame. This bit me and Dame is big. It's him and Leazie. Now Lazie is sitting there. He's good. But then it's the last shot. Leazie say it's no more and he's like, just no more vodka leaze what is says you're right?

Then after Walker said, say, let's say you're lazy, I smiling and that ain't He'll be like, yo, it's not no little hour that basketball. I was like, who in that? Ha'm moving? And then I was like, yo, you're sure. Your man is like I'm like I look, I'm like I know I'm not. And then Lazie over the other he just he looked at me and like one of the he gave me that you gotta relax, big up down least we love you, motherfighth I drink, I'll drink biggs Man with dive Ball big week. But now, Rough Riders,

um Rockefeller, you guys knew each other coming up. Could they ever implicate error like you guys had Rough Riders, Rocket Feller, even Murder, okay, Randy Aca. Could there ever be another error like that? I don't know. It's gonna be tough because a lot of everybody's independent. Now. It's not like somebody trying to build labels. It's like artists is trying to do their own thing themselves, you know

what I mean. But with that, I mean everybody. You got three crews strong, all selling three, four or five million records every single time they come out. That I mean that it's hard to replicate that. You don't even you don't sell those amount of records anymore. He said that too. What guy he said was lee All played rough Riders, Rockefeller and Murdered Inc against each other because every three months it would be an album that would drop.

So le All would give love to Rockefeller when Rockefeller dropped the album, we didn't. I didn't really nobody really care who Leo gave. I mean, it was it's still a competition, whether it's in house or not. If DMX come out, he's selling four million records, we want to come out and sell four or five million records. If John come out and selling three million. And mean, it ain't even just with them anybody, but it just so happened.

We know each other, so it's like damn, you know what I mean, like you know, and in the access and you know, with that relationship, that's how Swiss. You know, we got introduced the Swiss from from them to you know, and I'm gonna bringing them in office that day. That was I think that was the first Beati producer actually with money cash Holesney TV before that because no, because me and Dan went to go hear that because Swiss

had to hook for it to me and Dane. Just listening to it over and over and over, we called Jay like, yo, you gotta come do this ship. Yeah, let me tell you something. Okay, Swiss, stand understand how that happened, because Swiss is alright, alright, alright in my mind, like mind you this is from my world. I think I'm not sure it wasn't alive, wasn't involved. I think it's mart and Moore, we'll hit you. And then and said we got a guy named It wasn't Swiss at

this time. It was just your nephew, his nephew. That's what we're saying. He's nephew. I'm like, all right, everybody like he's the guy to respect, Okay, I'm respecting, Like his nephew got beats and he came down and then we did band from TV. Right, so Ravitt was actually recorded before Stop Dropped, right, Stop Drop came out maybe the year it came up the same year, right. But then Swiss, just how did you know because he was your nephew, how did you know this was the next guy?

Because you had Dame Greece at the time. Correct, we had Greece, we had Pek, had a bunch of producers, but he was he was just the youngest. He was. He had learned from a lot of things from everybody and kind of put it together and came up with his own sound because it was at a point where he wasn't getting no beats and so we'd be like, yeah, that's gonna put that back over there, and so we keep on working. So with God was his determination. Like he used to live with me, So I'm going home.

He'd be like, no, I'm gonna stay right here. I'm gonna just stay there. So he had to stay there all night and I'll come in. He got fifteen new beats every day for all the years straight, basically, and then then he figured it out. You had to figure it out and find this style. And when you brought him to us, he had like a hunt in something beats like that. Wasn't heard of a producer to have something like that at that time. Guess about bands from

TV story because they're just here too. Because listen, listen, might as well get into I gotta take a piss for quick, So listen, I'm gonna be honest. Don't forget the talking band from TV. The first beat that wasn't the beat that was supposed to be let me take you on something this No one let me take Look. I wouldn't want to tell a story why he's right here. What happened was NAS was on the War Report out m. He was on the record called music Make These thus calm.

Have you ever heard that record? That record is not a fishal. It's never been clear. It was supposed to be on the War Report album. What happened was us I don't know, but it never was clear. Colombia, Yeah, it never was clear. I don't want to get into particulars because I don't really remember what it was that for this moment. So Naas and Jungle, pick up Jungle and pick up Nas. They had called me and said, Yo, we want to pay you back for that. I was like,

all right, bet. They said you were gonna, you know, do the Firm album. I had never heard of what the firm was. Nobody had never announced that. Foxy Ezy they they had never announced this. So when they said the Firm, I'm like up. I was like a bunch of lawyers is about to do album? And that's how I thought. When I heard of the firm, I'm like, all right, cool. They said, Yo, we're gonna come to Miami. I had never been to Miami this time, so I can't wait on the Miami. We'll God. So let me

just make a longest story short. So I actually came and it was Nature's session when I landed for the firm out and I don't I forget for what reason Nature had landed later or something, I don't know. That's how I'm leaving came about it. In my opinion. You can you can, you can tell me know, so I can't. In fact, I'm sucking up. When I first landed it, Dre had played me the bloody money meat first, so

I did that, and then you came in. This is your session, though, and then you came in and then I'm leaving me came on and I did my verse and you never you never said why he spitting that we he And that's the reason why I banned from TV. I was like this, Nick, I don't even you gotta speaking to Mike brother. It's a microphone over, yeah, speak over the f sre. But but we'll get you later. But so what I'm saying was before that we was

doing band. So I did banned from TV because I wanted to pay Nature back for not being a hater, for just sitting back and just I know, nobody told him I was coming and I came in. I just worked and they just never just he cou could have been like, I'm firm, this NI is not firm. Give him the funk out of here. You never did they I respected to this day. I still love you. Have my real phone though, just in case you don't know, you gotta relax, So listen solo, let me remix it.

I'm sorry. So there was an original beat, so I tried to get him and Swiss gave me the LSB and they just said, I don't like I gotta pay this guy back. He just let me live the firm out. But this is the LSB. I'm looking at this nigger like I want to choke you. He's like, I don't like that beat, and then then he plays another beat. Then he Swiss plays another beat, and then the Swiss plays and beat, and then this is the beat that

where he's supposed to be. It's supposed to be just me and nature, and Nature takes two hours, He's like, he's writing this ship and then Swiss was Swiss looked at Nate. He said, you don't like this speak and then they goes and the Swiss players band from TV and they wrote his verse in twenty five seconds and my live late like and then this is the time where you don't tell a person you don't. You just be like, yo, it's cool, it's cool. Okay, now I'm sorry,

I'm sorry. I had I just follow. I don't know. Yeah, we getting back to brock Fell the rough Riders. Man, So your big face gay you enter the game. Mh your vision is only rocket f Yes? How did your vision develop like that? How did that? Even because I didn't even know names? Biggs? How the friend was? And I don't want to do no? I said the big friend, big name, biggest name, had a friends and all, and he Biggs is the boss. Biggs fired him and I made some moves based on the like I may stay

properly my friends. They all liked me, and I just started working hard. I don't know how to mix recordsized to called bags based taught him everything I know. When it comes in, I said, called bagel, Bagel by said bags taught me a lot of ship and they said, and then we got I just kept working and I said, basically not big face is not mixed, right, bag you buggle. He was fair though you bucket. It's not right. It's

that hell of the air. Then he taught me I got better and better, and bigg this is your niche they like you, so they probably your yo group. Do your thing. And then the Biggs left them to me. Biggs is to do the front. I do all the

music studio. It's what do you like? I fixed? And then I was it now bis, Now what made you guys actually try to make people bosses their self because most regulator, especially right now, they get an artist, they're hot and they want a three sixty m. You guys are actually getting the artist, getting them hot and actually making them bosses. Goes back to what I was saying opening the doors. But at another thing is when we signed out there, we knew we were just gonna sell

a company in a certain amount of time. So Rockefeller wasn't gonna last. Yeah, So you know, most people don't know when you get in the business, you you build and sell a company. That's where you make you know your money at the end of the day. So there's always a multiple, right, So whatever you're doing at the end of the year, whether it's a five x, three x, ten x whatever, each industry has a you know, uh,

an industry standard. But we knew we was gonna sell a company, so it was about making everybody else bosses. So after he had gone, they can do their own thing. That's incredible now now now right. The thing about it was we're here that you guys had the lots. You guys had DMX, you guys had even an the same time. Eve came later. Correct, yeah, Eve came, But you guys the lots and DMX. What made what made y'all see that X will be the guy to go more multi? What? What? What?

What gave you the insight for that? Oh? We gave you the insight for that. It was we already knew who was to pick up the litter at that point, to pick up the er, because we had him already years before they even got on, So we already knew who was who. It doesn't matter you had a good song or you have you thought you was next. I knew who he was. So it was pretty easy for us because we didn't. We never really got artists and didn't know who they were before we put them on,

so we knew X was to pick. He was the main one, period point blank on enderstand, and all the artists knew that. Now now because now let let me stop you, Renny. I'm gonna get a vote leave Bowie because let me stop me there. Because the thing about it is the thing you understood. You understand the language coming out. So because because the thing about it X, it's just not like every encounter I ever have a

DMX has never ever been industry. I could see this thing in fat Burger and then what's something you gotta stir it? Platinum? You ask me. I definitely got the cigarette for you, but like, so how could you see us? Like because we had got he here, right, and Herb said like, I'm sorry, I keep referring to Earth because it just refers to this interview so much, right, And

he's saying that he's sorry through a lot jaw. He's saying that you don't know this is real ship right time he ever run for he had embraces or something. How the fun Like listen, mom, dude, I could look at certain people and say, yeah, yeah, I can see you get money. I can't see you and say you're a superstar. I don't have that ability. How the hell did you see that? I just knew he was talented, because you see, when you dealt with him for years before he got on, it was just a matter of

time for everybody in the world understood. So we was all over the place. We was, you know, it was in the streets. So we hustled everywhere. We've been everywhere. We took him everywhere. Anywhere we had a battle. We probably never lost. Like he would battle and go, who want to bat? Don't want to be a bunch of people in room and you will go, I go, you go, I go. You know, he was just good at was crap. The next time the deal before the GM dealer dog like big beat or something. No, I think it was.

I don't remember that deal, but it was. It was going to be a deal, but he didn't really get it. So you want to check the first time I met DMX's real ship, Battery studio, I'm olschool. I'm sorry, Battery students. I need you looking at it looks like this thing is I'm in Battery Students. A dog running in my session. Literally a dog jungle. LA's brother kicks the dog, and then twenty minutes later this Nidal Max woke to my ship. Don't like dogs, you said, what the funding dog told you.

There's no way, it's only acuing it. The dog told you cool. Ever since that's the real ship, I swear to go making. I swear to gone. Listen man. But on that note to you, gotta shout out to Earth because he definitely got an eye for talent. And you know what, it ain't going back there. They know he produced. That's like ness be yo. Besides, when I'm Trump, I didn't know you. I don't know about that. I was damn the studio. I said that beat was ridiculous because

it was our DJ prior to the Monster beat. Moms or didn't talk about this on the park and he was yeah, I said, hey, mocks djer got he said was necessarily hold hold every time week we should drink. I don't lie, nigga. We're like every something that made sure we would drink and go studio and not in my life baby. Basically at that time we would drink and go to students every night. Big, We've been a whole crew No one cared about nothing. It was snap and we have a ball and Jay were wrapped. That

was it. That was all we did. How different was that for y'all because back then Hall and people stayed with Hall and people like I know I said that earlier, but to see him just like you know, how difficult was that to claim that? Because that was y'all crew. Now I know one thing. We snap a lot that is gonna snap like y'all snap. We used to go home basic nothing based to snap fucking athletes. I have my days, but based on loose too many battles, but

I saw one he lost a couple and I loved it. Okay, got you bags, we drop other covins. I can see somebody and your brother rest of bings ball off got based a couple of times after that business that's not I'm lost anyway. So all little Biggs this song like the snap Biggs used to go to war. Biggs had up what day said Virginia seven hour drives? Snapped them seven hours straight. You know you can't escape. So I'm in the highway, mean I'm jumping out the car. You can't.

They're one tope face business by one of two battles. But my point is Brooklyn is gonna snap. You know, first one get money. Don't know about closing boy, whether they're by gunch Snap, what up? Drink Champs Army e Fn here. I just want to remind y'all to pick up merch at drink Champs dot com or eight and

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I'm not joking. I don't. I don't remember he had he had a bunch of money with night dolls. We snapped on them. Board the bottle to pay white towns paying bas TIMPs, you big things the rain. I had to add to buy four pair of Tempts because I looked at my closet and I said dead, asked me, that's not right. I had no temps ship the right way to legal way it's used to play dumb b I hate you for that, big basic don't matter, basic balls stuff BA. Let me let me change something for

one second. So for one second, right, Um? To me, the best time in hip hop was when d from Rough Riders was in power. Why Rough Riders is in power? Uh? Bigs damn ar Gotti? Uh the black CEO, who of course I mean? But you know I'm just saying that I'm speaking Paul just CEOs no this. Do you think that time will ever come back? Tough to say, yeah, do you think that time it's necessary to come back? Um? I don't know if it's if it's necessary, because like

everybody's taking their fate in their own hands. So everything that we was trying to teach artists back then to be their own boss, now you can actually do it. You know, you can record your album in the house and a crib, put it out on tune call whatever it is. You know, make your own money, build a following on social goal perform. You know, can't forget not to perform because everybody just think puts some out on YouTube or Instagram, and like they're not on the road.

Get on the road, build up a following. But you could do it yourself now. So the blueprint has changed a little bit. Technology change the landscape, how about you. The game is a little different through because of the technology. And you know, everybody could do it theyselves. You know, you're training them and you're showing the blueprint. You know, you're showing how to do this to that, and then

everybody be able to do it their own. Like the luck everybody being able to get deals, independent deals and move forward. So you told them everything, So it's not gonna never really be the same like we did it. We did it was a little different. They could do it themselves now, So what I am amost happy about us seeing that the artists are getting money outside of music, because that's what we always trying to teach them, Like it's other things outside and they don't don't have to

be music. You use that as a platform to get into something else. Question, hold on before you do that. But now Rockefeller, right, they expanded out to clothing. Yeah, but when they got to clothing, you were it involved in the clothing. Why is that? Well? I was involved on a cross marketing of it. So that's why I went Dame, went over there to Rocket where I stood and I took over Rockefeller. So that's when I was

doing trying to sign you. You never signed. I know, I did Kanye's album and Young Guns album, but so you know, while I while he was going down and everybody played their part. It was perfect because I was, you know, doing all across market and taking the artist to perform state property, taking everybody to London, do the Rocketway shows in Germany wherever we was going. So it was important to do it like that. Okay, nothing, d right.

I want to ask you because you and Rocketfroller did the biggest tour together, correct and I felt like, in my opinion, I could be wrong, Like, actually, the biggest artist at that moment, you could have did a rough Rider talk by yourself. What made you choose to do a Rocket Feller rough Rider tour together? Because you would the head hounter. You could have said, fuck it, let's just do Drag on Eve and but you said you chose to do the Rocket Feller Tour. What the what

made you make the decision? I'm thinking I think we was. I don't remember if it was. I think it was probably me and home because I was kind of more Me and him had a relationship. Then then we would be talking different things, and then we probably came up with the concept of doing it together. Plus you know, we're all coming from the same place, so it was like, you know, why, let's give it a shot, let's go. We all high anyway, so we was good. You know,

he was big, what was big? X was big, So it just made sense at that time to do it together. You know, it would be bigger. So that's what we did. We just we just did it together. Make some noise for that. Me personally, I think like as a person that's been in the industry, as an artist, and when I bought sed Up, I just bossed up with with just us. I just feel like we need the black CEO.

We need these guys. The one thing, the one thing about Bigs me working with him directly is I could say some bullshit in the in the circle and biggest to Black, He'll look and he'll like somewhat agree with me and then pull me to the side that you know you and we don't have that no more, like

artists don't really have that. Like artists don't really have the you know, I'm gonna sunk with you by the see you like the people is around the other, the other people that's cutting the checks, and then as soon as it's going on, lookstood everything you you would talk it like. We don't have that no more. And that's the reason why so people can't complain about the lyrics or the music. They gotta complain about the people that's actually pushing it. I don't know if that makes sense.

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. Can we ever get back to tow with you guys are running the old person that's like you guys, But let's say it. Maybe, I mean, it's obviously there's a lot of young artists right, like you know little kids today that's getting in the game that that may not know it, but do. There's a lot of season managers as well that can play that role, you know what I mean. So it doesn't

always have to be the CEO. If you could surround yourself with a good team with people that season, you ain't gotta really depend on the label. That's what we used to tell everybody. Stop depending on the label. Even with us, right, we will go to to the artists and be like, what do you want to do? What's your market and playing? What are you songs? What do you like the single to be? You know what I'm saying. We were trying to always teach. So I mean, like Gino, right,

like guys like that. You've got people, you know, all around people that manage to do stuff that helps the artists. I think that they could look for that ums for help as well. Maybe it morphs into into people taking over the reins of some of these technology companies as well, because that's what's kind of running people taking the reins of the technology companies, the tech companies that are actually really running the industry. So before I use the bathrooms,

use the bathroom up. I'll be honest, I beholding it's the whole time. But listen, it's streaming helping or hurting the industry? It is, and question is it helping? Because right now, forget on spotting. I got like three hundred spins on like one ship right to three hundred friends. Back then I'll be two hundred thou away from me and go on a single. But then they calculated very different. They say three hundred thousand. Oh, they say every fift

hundred spins streams streams equals one. So it's it's streaming helping or hurt in the industry. Truthfully, I don't know. I didn't really look at the business of streaming, um, so I really can't answer that. How about you, day Oh, it probably like me said, you know, we're don't really look into it. I'm old school. I don't pay attention to that as much. But it's probably definitely going to affect the whole business on top of everything. So it's

never gonna be the same. Like if you keep saying that, it's probably never gonna be the same. There's too much technology. Okay, hold on, y'all, I'm taking you go. I'm going to your big right now. I'm going. I know you gotta cool it. I gotta got what's up. Ready you listen, we're back. I hadn't had to take a pigis this is how it's going down. But now, Biggs, I want to take it back to reasonable doubt class. That's my ship right there. I don't love you love folks, that's

never nothing. I'll do the album ever, ever, every reason. When we were together as brothers, every day, every hangout, sucker comfort. But Cardy BIG's giving me a thousand jaws picking me up to make the twelve o'clock we drinking again and again to the next day. Don't do that to me, my crossing Chris down give me acause it was the biggest bom umber this big time because I was nothing. That's what they did on record and you said one, yeah, he said, I'm just gonna say like

one was dead. No, not my doubt. I was like down a line of resum album. I do know I said that, but I was sending the wrong album. One was there, but that's my doubt. You gotta take my last I take I'm sorry. I got a hyper I love that album. I'm sorry, I'm slip. I love that. I definitely asked you get me all. I love. We keep drinking, okay, slop slop, listen some things. Yeah, you

finally believe after he battles d M Man. Yeah, so in your opinion, he beat d M Max right, correct, And you guys go to record the album or was y'all already recorded an altu president? Now he wasn't recording album. Pricice, you go record the album? So what what makes you continue to believe? I started to hear other songs, so n South, Uh the song um that that never came out? That was I think that was a song that Clock did.

It was like two or three other songs that I heard that I never heard before that that Clock had done. For Jay was talking more like how Jay talked as of recent. So that's what it made me to believe. I believe. Now, all right, let's get after in my lifetime. Alright, let's get to like when you were locked up? Right first, of a lot of people don't even know we were locked up or what happened. It was a conspiracy. So I introduced somebody to somebody and uh in l a

from New York and they didn't. Even though they didn't do a deal, they wanted me to basically talk, so I chose not to. Haven't got time for it. Hit, of course I don't. I'm talking to you now, I'm talking. Now, I'm talking. Relax, Relax, relax and relax. I'm gonna let's make a noise him everybody. It's all right, Biggs. This is because because let me just let me just as an outside of looking at right when I heard when I heard Biggs had a charge, but I said, this

is no way Biggs is something. But yeah, I was buying dispensaries in California. That made no sense of legal side. I was buying dispensaries in California. This is a little tell tell you. Let me tell you on that one. What wait what when? When? When you're ready, let me talk. Relax, let me take it for Biggs. But okay, you gotta relax, big say that against So you was what buying dispensaries? He was buying dispense to me California. Yeah, medical dispenses.

So why so why when this story came out, these people actually thought that like you were selling we and to me, I know I knew, like I had a hundred arguments this thinking bigs ain't pounds, that's what that laughed. So they actually found a pound two pounds in my house and it was like we got it. So but you know how, what's the rumor to like wherever? They said you had to leak in your house or something like that. And then they guys at my penthouse that

was years before. Oh okay, rocket in Jersey. I love that house. Look you don't got that, no more want to you still got you ever seen let's first you had the first year, had the first ball I ever seen you here this man, you have been there. Fuck you relax as you're talking about relax. I'm not the groopie that's not on bus my man. I know why. I because my friend. I know we lived at good time. Asshole. Yeah, big face was locked up. You want to say that

one more time? So now, what's the best arra in hip hop? In your opinion? It doesn't have to be the arraw that you were in. This the best arra hip hop period that's tough, late eighties, probably early nine. Said, you're talking about criss Cross era. No Big Daddy, Kane, Arrow, kanem D, Kim D Douggy Fresh, after that, after that Jen and Juicon at the day, I'm going right into Era J nine was chr rass right, slick rag not nice? Yeah, yeah,

coold you, that's that. What's what's your favorite? Era? D right around that area right then all the way up until it got to us. Yeah, my favorite as us sorry was a hard ye man, this is a great time. Chigi has a great time, right hand man Vegs here Slime bepposed to have beans and free rade to but then what was the inspirational Beans and Beans get to the mike means another level man, one of the best rappers I've seen them, but he had an alligant about you.

But you know, Beans is Beans Beans, the street dude who did what he wanted to do, but lyrically a monster. I never seen nothing like it. Man. I and our Biggest Game but the opportunity and our Beans one of the biggest jail within the two three million at the beginning, the Biggest game and the whole album. But then of course at the end, I would left bigg. I would have to call bix is my boss. What you want? Bass taught me how to mix records, you know, things

like that. But beans special a big means special rappers, especially special Monster. And you said he could have been just as big as Jake. You know he was very close. Just a lot of jail time. Look disrespect to him. Philly is a very bad It's a tough town. If you don't hold your own, dude get handed. So he does have to held held did what he had to do. But basyis that's especial, right, great talent. Like I said something to get Peter Crab one second biggest what this album?

That's what Biggs did. Biggs was smart. He wouldn't hang with us bisical to do his work and come to the block his niggers and bring every out every we did what y'all think. He wouldn't say nothing if we like it. Basically, you gotta hit if not and in it. But Biggs, but the truth, Biggs, I said, what this stick to here? He said this nigga from Philly, don Mike. When I heard the truth, I try to light skinned

man to use ruth fools about you. That was actually Kanye's first saying, yeah, we shout the Biggs and fund Kanye West till everybody take the truth. Was Kanye's first s. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, oh no, I'm gonna your show. I gotta do one thing. Babu, you gotta be too much at one time. I'm sorry. I hype up, but I'm something. I'm a calm down. He said, what you said it again? Which one? Now you said that you troof kind of producing but big but Beanie wrapped Biggs water to hunting for they say

on the next one. His crew was at. It was all they drinking. BIG's a door record and make sure Big how a technique with us. He threw the record and come to the hood. We played off like it's nothing if we like it, bat it. Biggs paid the truth. I turned light skin you. No, I'm not. I'm my light still like it's this boat us like ules use fools like ules use tools. It was ridiculous, I said, big gotter. I said, really gotta and he just kept hitting those directords my bigges side of tall. You come

to the hood with him, man, big, big time, big time. Okay, So now I gotta go there. Okay, but we want to go. You got to the top of the world. Give me some rose. They popping ship. I'm feel the good sim in my world. That time you got me here, you guys on top of the world. Right before we had we had all that talent from Philly. I don't know wherever you get he from. I started telling on these millions of going in there, but like and then you guys, well not you guys. Once this nis right,

there's nothing my ship right? Old this nis okay, come on, so hold this nis right. We shot at ship booth. You can't have a shot of champagne. It's doesn't exist copy shampagne. Okay, I'm sorry, listen, so hold this, nis right. I love you man, my mother? What what? What? What? What made y'all say to yourself? Like, all right, cool, this is what whole want to do. We're backing them. Oh did you say this is not us? Like? What was your position? I want to take over? Now? I'm

not sure. I think it was after I heard the take over. I don't even think Jay spent the rounds to us before, but he just didn't take on his own And then and then I heard it. Either it was rare, neither was ridiculous. It was rare. So how did y'all feel? Let's just be honest. I'm gonna I'm gonna scream through. But you know what my seats is, oh five, So I love you to death, find me, find me when lotus he's still my snuff. I'm just doing day al right, man, Jay, Look there's something I

take that high back of the days. Basically we just sit on top of the couch. It's not like on top of this is on top. You know, I'm something slim, you know when you sit on seats, but on top of us. He's like like that not not there, like not where Randy's at on top. Yeah, so we're talking. That record came out Jayson mc killers nigger. I start laughing, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't killing the guy. Na I'm killers, he said, dick sucking lips. You know, men

don't play that game. Jay hated that verse. He could take that verse. Pissed in the funk off man. I said, you beat no word about that ship. Come back you got you got it. So he's gonna put the record out with Ivers said all that ship. I don't care about that ship. It wasn't anything the impact we wanted. But when he came back that something he took a break h over. I got my mojo bad be o ad no No, that's just my Nigga's back. I'm a big time Jay fan. He struggled through that. My opinion,

when he came back with that record, he's back. So when the ax nas, I got a million in your head, you say it first, I say it verse who wouldn't get a million? Na said? I still don't remember this. He where did this happen? That? It was on the Raguar? Now, I was on my point one. Am I making that up? Anybody? Thank you? I'm making I'm not making it st up More It was a nice point at more teamas he put a moon on his head. You say it first, I say first. Who ever? Once I got to get

a million? He said, I can't afford it. Day J got deeper. Said no, definitely, he said, in a look at if I'm gonna say the happen, he said, anyone wasn't putting it up. It's not I'm not making as you don't do that now I know I'm not. I didn't say that. He said, you didn't say you don't want to look it up? Saying but he see, like, I'm just telling you your feelings, not a lot of money. Have your feelings. Everybody will have a mining off. Go on line to yourself. You say that, but oh, y'all

not a reality. You're having to be in in cash if it's very serious, he said. He turned to the fod hold on not at a point one and she Mortina said it flesh and said it. I don't make a bliese. They he killed me him all. I don't get because I don't definitely Okay, well you have. I'm just telling you, even if he can't afford it, say that, I'm okay. Some you know what seves different words. Yeah, I'm just telling you if I wonder the words he was. Now, I'm a big fan. For the record, I said, destroy

Jack behind now. I said the Jay was just better than Jay. But then when Jay became I manned up. So if I'm saying the wrong us, I apologized, but I remember it was something about the money wasn't right. All I'm saying is Jay came back that summer and hit that classic regort, h O V. I got my mojo back, baby over a no no, I said, he's back. I'm the latest Babe James. Friends, I don't like him for us. I loved Jack. I love him. I like my love everybody. I remember, I haven't respect him my

first he's all right, like that skinny motherfucker started. Can I live where I'm from? This time is my risk? I got clock of life. You can't do shit about this. That was my man, my man. Nobody said no, no Jameson Jason Monson. I see Jake is a monster lyricist man. He got a little sense of that last off multiple know with his wife the lemon chipball, don't get cheeked and fall before. It's my favorite, James. I ain't like what I like the beam. I'm about the disadvantage scream

you didn't like from my love that I was. I'm being my asshole because I just felt like it was bound out, was just white. I'm a sucker thinker for that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got it. I'm got it. I'm a sucker. It's a great. I'm just being an asshole. Now. It's just I'm money, ain't you privately? My house is a need me a little morm. You know you gotta you gotta get some you gotta get more money. If you don't like fall for four, that mean you ain't. I ain't got the slim I got to know. You

gotta get something then, But but I'm here. You don't like Fall full four you get you don't get it. It's gotta getting. Family is gonna pick the I'm not station. I'm not calling big if. I thank God, it's good good. I'm loving this man. I love all I'm but what's your favorite ever hip hop? I asked both of them. Damn, I'm stay property arrow, you're not. I'm gonna go the first time. I'm gonna do not rocket fall. You're gonna laugh. It's you, that's all I know. It's rocket fuller all

for one new good. That's all that's small. I love him, Yeah, yeah, great minds and I c e that's my area. Then I'm not gonna lie. Became a rocket fall for from the I don't love from the rocket fall. After that, after that, let me tell you something. Sometime Big Face Garrank in my studio. Let's just talking to him, like my cheeseburgers. He's like, yeah, beans love that too. You know what you hit me? You know I'm about some fresh rods like bleaking about that. Don't choke me and

I'll take that. I'm gonna tell you right now, when you come home. I've been someone here that don't want me. S fresh it up. I called myself when you go through a lot, you've been around these guys every day and you're just you're making having fun, making good money. You're not listen to me. I set up a meeting with them. I made five grand. Yeah, and you let me just say day. I just had to tell them. I was like, you know, we scream on screak. Listen.

It's biggeran rocket. He screak on me. There's a life like everything I was talking to him about. I'd be like, yo, you know, I see you see this chick. She got a bad bace front. He was like, yeah, you should the same. The sashion is. It's it's sad, but you're hey. I love them that much. They let they let me, let me diet a little bit, but it's my program. Basically, some great people bad. I got no problems. Bags had great, great time. I don't told y'all. Bags was driving big calls.

I had Biggs call for nine weeks. Basically, I said I could call, Oh love my call, bigger guy. You didn't care about. It's a good dude man. That's a good dude man. Be my dough golfice bags were switch on the ball makers. You know everybody home nigger track. This is my man. But I said one thing though, when you got your teeth fixs, you look a lot better, though, Ye shout out to my man. Yank up the west side, Biggs honestly bigging my man. Biggs taught me a lot

you're going to meet. This is a boss man. I gotta do the problem jay z Ball, Dame boss. I got friends, having Biggs of them. Bumba is one of my best friends. He calls me, um my man, my man. I'm Maori told me one day Gary, you're not my You're not a rapper to me and out of a and all, you're my friend. So I swear to God had some bad experiences. But me and no we real close. Me and um my man, my man, bumpies very close, y'all.

One time I remember Sony Studio, we came to see you and you was with Pete Crack and that's when me Nori bumped into literally see a little Seeds that was working with Junior Mafia. Yes, little see. That's the first time he gets got cos the norm and it was ill right nor even when the studio with Pete Crack and you just you know rich. You know you got some Norrison assholes. You know you gotta get fat. All I'm saying is he shoked. We killed me a little bit, all rock Nor we got some new chips.

We're just struggling in pop right now, just struggling at the door right now. And old different man Yang shot to my man Yang. The lottis uppold side. We don't have the fun Nor I'm loving. When I met you, your teeth was like a cat. Touch your like a cat? Now ships white your Why don't keep you a pretty one? You did? You did the rage side, the ring tone, the career was almost old stay treat chats wants you back there? He was sad. I got shot that side of the big face you miss. Yeah, I'm your side.

I'm just showing love. I'm I'm yours like big yo. I never see what you'll seeing, but I do know one thing. We go tone, what's to fix everybody? We killed him? Killed him. Nobody came back in the audience that you killed him, You killed the game that she was so copy shot the video and then then you added on on the video moment when you get out when you get him no change, but I didn't when I didn't like you got so that happened. The round said what I did with this reggae THO tell him

so slipping is big. So we shot the video in my hand and he split the video and then the shot touch you to added to the video. When they getting Norma the rocket fuller chang you did? And where is it? Chan happy? Where Chan? He never signed the deal? Can we talk about why you never signed the deal? Man? You got the check? Never signed? This did not signed? You say that was my first platinum change? I got their names right, I funked up. Shout out to Aragant

Jeff Rosenthor. Man, they show was great. Man, that's the one you heard me that day when you call me, don't do that North with that dumb face. Man, you didn't show them slide that day and he loved it. Don't do that. They got you. They got I'm talking money. I told you the days dropped the good things. When that stunt that tell her it was so rich, doesn't doesn't? Where? Where's what did pop tell you the other day? Come here? I'm not talking about this ship. I'm talking about when

we using his crib. Right, I gave him the man that idea. Me and Jim Jones, we gotta man, we gotta be in that idea. Right. So then when I next, I didn't say it was so. And then and then Pop said, you gotta come to the money couch, right. I never knew this a money couch. When I went, I sat down, I said, the money couch feels sucking awesome. And he said that's it. I forgot my boy money. You know, the money got going saying over here for something time the subject why are you sign about something?

I said this it was like it was it was, it was. It was we were sitting on the money couch. That's what he said. It is. He says sometimes say I'm just so rich that it's just hard to That's what it is. It's hard to kill. This is the reason why I brought this. I want to make this clear. I want to make this clear. I wanted to sign the Rock. They were my niggas. They invited me to every movie they ever did. They invited me, so I felt there was something going on, and I was like, fucking.

I fought with y'all, no problem, damon, Biggs. They never sent me a contract, not once. He said, I've never signed it. I've never got presented a contract, not one. I swear to god. I know you probably ready Randy wrote it, already wrote it. Listen, listen. I'm not even looking at Randy signal. Listen. It definitely gets sent to me. Like, but I was asking, y'all you send me the contract, was like, be good. That put the chain on me. I was like, good, that was it? And what's y'all?

Let me hit that? But that error in hip hop could never be duplicated? In your opinion? Do you think that error hip hop could never be like you know d MX? Because again, I'm sorry to keep referring to IRV, but IRV is the person that we just had on here and he dropped balls. But what he was saying was every year it would be rocket Fella dropping the ball, did rough riders dropping the ball, and then murdered egg dropping the ball? We dropped every year. Do you think

that can ever be duplicated? I don't care. They just can't even happen in today's You think that can't happen in this climate right now because the way things changed digitally, I know all this has the work ethic to do that every year, but it's just the game is different. You may think I'm crazy and people putting out the music. I'm gonna tell you think you have to work ethic. J has base Maker disagree it to me and pick up to him crazy. Drake has a work ethic man.

He puts record out after record after record, but he just don't have the swag that people are looking for his work. After he went Timberlins with no drawing Drake, I said Drake in my friend. No one agreed. Drake put out record after record after record, but he would think they gotta work out it, So gotta work ethic. Y'all can say it's the boy rap the board with the boy wrapping board wraps the board. Okay that Biggs.

Has there ever been an artist that came to you that you wanted to sign, you didn't sign, and you regret it that I wanted to Probably the uh the only one week didn't didn't go through the scar face Wow? Okay, everybody relaxed before the Death gamescribing everybody that it was whatever are you because it was supposed to be Rocket Phone Um the fixed album that was supposed to be on Death Jam No, No, that was on de that

was on Death was before that. I mean we were talking to him because you know, we had a relationship. Scar faces on almost every we did All Beans album. So we're just talking about signing and then uh and probably Twister. We never actually signed, yeah, because you know Twister was like an honorary rocket feller too, but he actually didn't sign. He did, like you yeah, now that well, God bless my man. Trial brought me. He brought the album,

but he was bringing me so much. I'm like, y'all taking the hip hop man, I can't listen to no more music and hip hop is your brother? Yeah, by the way, and he took it to uh, what's up a dude? I was managing Nellie um cool lovel and then they did it and that was that album. This is the second it's the same. This is the second episode that fucking Nellie and Cooler Love gets mentioned in your Motherfucker's Better Now, D Motherfucker's Better Come here now?

D Had there ever been an artist I came across that table that you're fronted on and you regretted that. M M no, I'm not really at that point because I have more than enough artists. I gave artists away like I maze you have. I had made side the lock side of all of them. I was like I had to give some way to just to be able to get it done. So where you have passed? Yeah, missed Wenation. I think he probably went over there. Hold on, so you have Mace, Yeah, I mane from Holland, so

you know anything from haller moving. Yeah, I'm pretty much gonna be able to give my hands on it because I know a lot of people in the Hall. So d we always thought you from the Bronx and you from the Bronx at Hall both. I'm from the Bronxon halland but you know I was born in the Bronx. But I've been in Hall ofm all my life. So the bridge, I can walk across the bridge. I'm good on the side. So we are all right. So it's all like this family, you know. So I've been home

so much. You know, I'm a Hall of nigga because I just like all of nigga, but I'm a Bronx nigga. When I gotta get uply Bronx niggers. Mace was actually on that president, yeah, that president. Yeah, this is a history, j Z. What that sounds like without Ja? Yeah, so he had to be first and saying he had to be, but I didn't like the way he sounds, so we

took him off and we gave it to Jay. So now so now okay, because that's when children in the car, remember we had Yeah, there was never a version with Mace and Jay. Okay, this is the only one that we had. You know, it was way back. Was niggas then started something that was just on the mixtape. That's all. I don't know right then at that point, niggas then started something. Mace all them was on there right there. That was that was the sumaking. That's it. Yeah, we

did history. Just a big face g what's up? You know? We love you over here on this side. Want you to take a shot drinking. I didn't stop thinking it right, I gotta take a shot. I'm having a good years. I don't know what that podcast you went to before? You know, you got me talk about that later they got you My person, My person, I don't stop. I can do for eight years. I'm Gary. It's easy for me. Damn sure. You gotta do your own podcast. You know, I'm educated yeah, you get we got you, We got you,

we got you, you got me. You want something? I forgot this call? Be on? What be on? Be on? You want to be on? Energy? Good vibes with you? So now big. At some point, you guys made Chris Style famous, right, hey, we're going back round there now, Crystal, I don't wanna talk about that ship was so expensive of the average person in the hood. You guys made it famous, and then at some point you guys hold

away from it. I would like to describe, if you can describe the moment of making Cristal famous, in the moment of pulling away from it, I think we probably started drinking it something like that. Yeah, yeah, but it was actually at the Dead President's video. Actually were trying in ninety six, were trying to find a new champagne so Le Grand Dam and um, we'll start doing vv Yeah. So we we found that, but they didn't taste it

as good, so we kept drinking it. But that was back in and the other scovering Crystal, yeah, three or four years prior. Okay, yeah, so at ninety six were already done with it. And so what happened the moment where you felt like when you guys felt like Christal was racist. That that was years years later. You know, that was trying. I mean we felt other companies was racist.

That's how we got an Armadale because everything we was doing for Belvet there at the time, putting that in songs and making that popular, and then we reached out the Belvit there to get some cases for a video and they said no. So we did another song and then we tried to get a deal with them and then they said no. So that's why. Yeah, so that's when we did Armadale, and then for that same thing with the clothes with Iceberg, and that's why rocketwat started

so okay, so because he said that very very fast. Okay, so you guys tried to get an Iceberg deal. Yeah, we try to first transfer with the hottest clothes line at the time. You see a lot of people don't know that we say Iceberg that people are thinking just whatever, right, but no, Iceberg was that way. Iceberg was. It was like damn near Gucci right around my way. No, it

was played out hall talked speakers of the world. So so now so you go outs go to Iceberg, say, you say, we just want gear or you guys want out to get first and try to get some clothes. They said no, right, So after making it popular again, the same thing like we did with Belvett, and we reached out to try to get a deal and they didn't want to have nothing to do with it. So yeah, that's how rock That's how rockways started, that's how Armadale started.

That's how the music business start. Every time somebody closed the door, your thing makes for that. Yeah, but no, you gotta sweet to the mic. They well, I just want to know the dream karean the Korean listen. But in hindsight, when when y'all became millionaires or whatever, and you mean from the music business for the music business, yeah, you'll gonna get mad at me. I swear I'm uch of dispect clapped you that he said before the music

business don't getting money. I listen now what I'm but I'm saying in hindsight, like you know, when you start dealing with big company, because at first you said that y'all thought that a lot of people was all these companies was on racist and everything about or whatever they say that no reaction. So you said that whatever y'all didn't think that whatever reason, they y'alls reaching out with them,

and they wasn't fucking with y'all. And do you think and beginning anything like they just shipping on yellow whatever for whatever reason, I think they ain't dealing with you. But when y'all become dealing with bigger companies and everything like, do you think that they were just missing formed? But why it wasn't doing it? And I can't say. I can't say why they didn't want to do it or not. But what it did is motivate us to go harder. You we just use it as motivation. So it was

no racist going on. I don't know, you didn't care. It was like somebody said racist. This is why I really was saying that you can't toge, you know, perform music. Hold on one more thing, didn't I wanted to say something about for a minute that brother, it's hard to find a man that loyal these days. When I how I grew up, you grew up. We must you know, I'm forty four before the five, so you know what I mean. Like it sounds crazy sometimes when the man is that loyal, but that's it's hard to find a

motherfucker like that. And I motherfucking'spect you. Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't scared, And let me tell you something Until I do, Man, let me tell you something. I used to hang out with you like that, and everything I spoke to this nigger, I'd be like, yeah, I'm about to get up get a hero like yo. You know you know we love heron no, no, you get a break just the course. I'm not a dick roller. I just love them. I love him, if you have that

making my point. I just loved them because they put in a position that the normal person can't get into. If they didn't love me, like you know what I just saw to that mine I was making seven Yeah, and I didn't know ship right, Just loyalty, That's what he's talking about. I don't know somebody that telling about me. You know what I'm saying is that I didn't love. That's all I knew. When the wreck with Dad does, that's what he's saying. He's saying you, you was loyal

to one brand and nothing else. And when the first person loyalty is too much like that ship but something that comes to everything by myself, you did, I come to the studio every night by myself, it's the crazy somebody liked. I mean, you listen, let me let me let me look guys, listen, let me just tell you'll, let me just let me just reveal the secret. Young guys. Bleak. All these niggas will go make albums and we'll go presented to Rockefella and like, Nigga, you made that as

Sun's suns cript. We're not. We're not paying you for that, right, and that was cool. So they somehow bleak put everybody on has Studio. So what we're gonna do is we're not gonna say it's Nory studio I had because remember my studios on Madison happened, So studio what's called? But the invoices are called Madison Incorporated. And and he would make me throw my way away. He hated Hayes. I don't throw my Hayes away. I'm like bags, I have

to throw it away. He's like, you want some of this Raona, But this is all the ree froll the artists to do, all the brother artists like yo, if I go do my album on my own jay and them niggers is never gonna because they know that this is But if it wis hood Madison. So I used to envoys and I had all keep it real g I had every rocket Frollo artists and the boof had Biggs had to proven and big bis like Raigs Biggs. Biggs new what I was doing. But no, no, no

bas like one thing. My base based like music. Well maybe were Regulus bass based my boss. You understand, Bagges was like Bigg like records. He's a proven it no records, no music. What did I say, records? Pull on on? What did I say? Big? Now, I'm gonna love me? Look what did I say? What he said? But really said? He on your favorite executive? I see why, Um I forgot why he's got bad. Remember remember chill, I'm not gonna look at you because he approved what all he said.

He bro he said if he liked it, he approved that he give me whatever and give you a chance. And you just said the same as act. I just told this got the sucker. But I'm just saying with you, I'm helping your You like to help me? Is my man. I didn't just be big for that little Biggins. He was like eighteen pigspen. Since I was like, I don't wanna talk about this it's a ridiculous for years. Man, that's my friend. Man, it's his big brother, was my mentor, and Biggs is my man. You don't have to talk

about Biggs everything. Biggs houses. I've been everywhere, Bigger, his father, rescipes, his mother. I knew everything, my lata babes. I would say, eating with Bases talking this is a good dude. Man. So I don't like when you're just doing this ship like big to somebody like that's my man. Ain't because we want to do a little bit. Because business Norman, this is my drink's been basically took them sit there.

I never lacked. I just got said getting there because he kept saying, you've been the big house, keep saying that I'm doing good. It's all good. Okay, I want the bathroom. You listen. Is it that big great shows? Is that this? Want everybody to understand, Sorry, let me get let me get one second, let me get one second. I just want everybody to understand and realize me and

this guy right here, Eric Fernando. But when we started this ship, we sat together and we said to ourselves, there's every format for a new artist to come on, Like if you're just new and you just you know, you had you had one record and you know the um, what's that ship called Millie Rock? You know what the Millie Rock? You got, you got your platform. You know,

we respect that. But we sat around and said, where's the platform for people who've been in this industry, you know, more than five ten years, and where's the platform for them to respect them? Correct the event to talk about legacy as well, and legacy And this is the reason why I'm honored to be sitting in front BIGS, to be sitting in front of the to be sitting in front of Big Face Gary, and be sitting in Sting Ray Sting Rays. Correct? What what? What address? Again? Avenue?

This is the reason why were The thing about hip hop is when you get a certain amount of years in hip hop, people want to tell you that's over for you. People want to tell you that you're done. You guys had a successful uh clothes company and you start another successful clothing company and you and Barnes and you and North Streams or whatever these people and these people want to say. These people want to say, you

can't do it again. And the thing about it is our platform, what we represent is we can live forever because hip hop shouldn't have a limit to it. When you sit sit around and you look at the Rolling Stones, you look at the Rolling Stone magazines, look at the Rolling Stones, They're actually still touring. Publication is still actually in existence. Why we can't do that with hip hop? Why we can't why you know what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is why we can't be

our own like, why we can't we get it. Certain people gotta be on you know, reality shows and certain people. But we have to lift our people forever and make sure that they live forever and make sure that their legacy live forever. So that's what Drink Champions is about. That's what Drink Champions is about. Saluting d from rough writers. You know, bigs Yo, You guys are the epitome of CEOs in the time quick time boss in the time where CEOs matter, And we may never ever see that

ever again. We just might not never see that against this lord. So if nobody else will big y'all up or salute y'all, And I'm sure people salute y'all, big y'all up, but I would like to do it on camera notified, so I don't know how many. Yeah, that too, I don't know what's going on. Seems fun already, you know, Biggs, I can't thank you enough for being so honest with me, for so being so truthful with me at the time, and even when the breakop was happening, you never lied

to me. You kept it real me, You kept it. You gave me a brief conversation, but it was real you. You didn't say you can't be real with me. And and think about that is I can only salute you for that. I can only bow that all ship then might get me a d the same exact thing. Um, you guys dominated whatever you had to do, would you ever? You guys was dominated. You guys came back and you

never You never changed on me. If I needed a DMX feature, if I needed a locks feature, I needed to Jada kiss feature, you always cleared it for me. And the thing about it is, I missed the error when you guys are in the forefront. Not saying you guys are not at the forefront now, but what I'm saying is I missed when you guys was actually in the building. Yeah, you know, because now I'm a media guy,

so now to invite me as a media job. So I get invited into the building, but I'm like kind of media, like, you know, we got such a such shooter what's his name? And they want me to cover him and they want me to interview this guy, Like, that's not you guys never seen my show. I slute legends, slute people that have been here, people that have more than ten years or more in this game. Because if you don't have more than ten years in this game, you you have Hot nuney seven, you have Power one

on five, you have you have the entire Internet. You have to Internet. But to get on this joint you have to be ten years or more and be a legend trying to pass down the store. No, you don't have to be years and years in years. You got to be doing. And the thing about it is YouTube brothers along Big Face Guy Live some of the most craziest errors in hip hop, Like DMX and jay Z had to be the two most craziest, most opposites popping

at the same time. Yes, because s was, I mean, to my mind, he's still out of his mind, that's funny. I love and then Jay he's the most put together person in the world. But money cash holes worked. How does that? How does that work? I mean, Jane, you know he goes anyway. So it depends on whatever song he's getting on. That's what he's gonna be here. He was first right by seeing in my life man and my big boases. I know Jay, he does a monster. He proved it already. You did too much ready, Man,

he did it already. Man, I can't believe it. Ship kind of your seriously, then you've got two grades. Yeah, bus, my friend, I'm a bus for years. Bas the journey. Yeah you're laughing. Oh yea joke, Bas, Yeah, slim you. So I'm getting friends wrap with your friend. This is about thousands. You love me fifty ugly and they love me and I love yo. This is crazy man. Yeah, I'm super happy. I'm super happy. You made my dad. Man, it's a beautiful thing. You threw me off what you

can kill me all night. I wasn't killing you, kill you. I killed you for thirty seconds. It's your I love it. I love it. I killed me for't even spong. I got bad jokes, you know, I got I know your animals. Rocket fall of this Hero with Joe let me say, you want me take some I don't see stuff first, dude I've ever seen in the whole industry, like he can't. No, No,

I'm ge. I'm not even trying to be funny. You came to my studio one day and everything I said it was like, yeah, he kept naming the rocket for the artist, and I was like, Gee, I'm sorry, Gee, I'm not. You're not killing out prom you'rekilling me and I can you know this is a life like you know you could go home, you know, eat your girl's pussy. Fella. Yeah, I'm gonna say this. If you come from certain things you're not used to. I'm I'm trying to go around

home making semi grand a year. What am I supposed to do with guys who I grew up with? This motherfucker he's coming to my studio. I'd be like, Yo, what's going on? You good? But Yo? You know beans and I get niggas alone when you come here like this. I'm not going to kill kill me, killing man. No, I'm not. I'm not. How much was he never listened to me? This is the first time in my whole life. I said, that's a that's a that's a that's a version of being too loyal, Like he was just too loyal.

Like what I mean was he couldn't see I'm not coming at you you kill you. No, I'm not coming out. I just never see nobody I'm bigging you up because ye, the loyalty was so crazy. But at the same time, I'm just like, gee, you know, a see saw goes up and down. You know, we see the up part. And then I was like, yo, you gotta you know, you gotta come down. And I almost got evicted. I have no idea where we're going to be the asshole. It's your base, wasn't to bigg has never told me

no in my life. I don't know where you've been a little bit to what I do. Kill me a little, get a little back. My point was that there was hard times after Rocket for them, Death Music and Folder, and then it was Tim was stressed out before that part. Way before that, Bigs had a rule basically, get mad, I don't give a fuck, but he will make up. Gee, whatever I do for you, don't tell nobody beautiful. It's beautiful, beautiful remember ship still but base, I'm saying it's a

front base. Use them, you know all. Let me say this just to get base a little bit. What's your big brother, my man? I love that. Maybe Biggs on my love to death when he died, took a chunk out of me, boblem when I needed Biggs. He never tried this back on me ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever, It'd be bullshit money. I'm embarrassed asked for hundred dollars because I had a lot of pride for hunted her three hundred and your car made Dame Dash breakout. Let's

just throw that out there. What calls MP about the Dame Dash? One time we went in your car and Dame Dash said he got hobs. I was just do two shots, you kill me? Do two shots shout shout the up board side, shout out the haitious sucked by some women shot to my mane back to alright. I don't even know what car had, but I don't know how the MP V man had the DBS. It was

pop definitely wasn't there. It was like a Chevrolet. Definitely was the MP D gays b B. I can't even later, but I wrote in the car and I went with Dane damn tondy me. Where is an art district I was, and then he couldn't sleep. I mean he was just like about under the raid tone almost finish your career. Yeah, Almo broke your house. That's my brothers. Let I'm joking, Bumby and Nory the only rappers he said, fun wrap we love. He had a big, gass house. I was ridiculous. Listen.

He was the only thing I used to come on doing big just to call me and say, I feel like you're smoking hags drive what's his name? Be too too to be outside, be to see me for you had a big ass cookie job from Biggs while you met selling we his money. Funny, why do people think yourself? You don't know what people thank you and something? The bottom just defend you so much to me only one Listen. We went to amsterdamn to get Harold warm landed, and he still say let's go get some sour. You don't

remember that day. They're telling me big some of well. I said, big day said you come now. I came out of my career. He said, take a trip with me. I said, all right, cool. I brought no bags. I'm like, all right cool. And we didn'tchee the borrow I'm like, hold on, type of trip will we take it? But Nigga said, well, we're going overseas, said I gotta get some clothes. So that's not that's not what we were doing over here, Slam, you bought the clothes with me. Lad.

I wasn't a bowler like that back then. I didn't know what to do, so I was like, alright, cool, I can't really I got so I went. We went to Amsterdam. This is when Haro Winna first, like that's the first time I ever heard of Herojuanna. I actually thought we were smoking heroin, but I just said, I'm any way too deep to pull out at this point. Fuck it, we're gonna smoke heroin. Yeah, niggas ain't laughing. In my mind, like fucking these niggas is mad. This

is dead. It's not Yeah in my mind, I said, Carojuanna, it was so good. It was we don't we don't get it that she was and then you came back, and then you came back, and then and then then like the case happened about two or three years later, and people were saying, Biggs with selling but now almost almost spoke to like three people and I'm trying to explain to people, Bigs, it's really a real smoke that Nigga is he ain't doing but this is this is mine,

So I never actually asked you that. So what happened with the case again? Again? One monthime, I'm bother d. I introduced to people it was a conspiracy and I chose not to tell. That's the short from it's a bit stern business. I'm sorry, but we don't take a shot of that guy. I'm telling whatever you want me to do. Big Big from his brother's camp man, Big Brother, Big bab Lau told me everything I know I can discreeze. He told me a lot. God bless your soul. Man,

I knew that wasn't gonna happen. I knew that wasn't gonna happen. I wasn't gonna happen. Not Bigger Leo, what wasn't gonna happen? Big telling among people who whatever he will happen, and that wasn't gonna happen. Big said, give me that. But you know BIG's got a big time money, so you have to wait for lawyers, biggest promoter as much as can, he said, I can't ask me your way saying that gonna shill me. So now big, all right, let's just look right, okay, let's chet everybody. Everybody please

give me, give me one second, one second. This is this is my time. So now here's the man out of question the whole industry that I watched all your interviews and they never asked it right when you were locked up, right, there was so many rumors, so many things, and then you come home. Prior to you coming home, Dame had actually did like a publicity run and he

was quote on how you were mad at people. He was like, Biggs is madda Kanye, biggest, madda Jay, biggest mad You know why you don't when you get added me keep it added, but don't kick So so Dame was just he was just running with this right. Well, Dame, I actually said, I've seen the interview on Sway. He said, Biggs is probably gonna be mad at me for saying this because I was coming from him, But I see the Brethers Club. He didn't say that, so he did

afterwards he fixed it. Okay, So why do you think Dame took that approach? I'm not sure. I can't. You know, Dame is dame, you know, but I didn't feel in no way by anybody, all right, So then I'm taking it from you coming home. You're coming home. Did anybody act funny with you because of those statements? Or no? Not at all, because I think the first picture we ever seen of you when you came home was in

Madison school garden, correct with Kanye? Probably? Yeah? Yeah? And then like me, I'm fake media now, so the end of that, we're crazy s long as your minds. So yeah, you could do that when you ready. So did you did you? Did you think? Did you? Did you know how powerful the internet was it that at that point? Definitely you knew it. I wasn't in side Barrier. I was in Philadelphia or the Fats. So now you come home, you hit this backlash, you hear, you hear what's happening.

And then the first thing is we hear you say you don't got nothing to do with it? Do with that, and then you and Jay is in Fairfax and the Supreme Block I figet with. Yeah. I called it the Supreme Block because the Supreme is right. So they see you and there's no dang dash there, and then two days later they see me and there did they see you and there? Actually you put that together? Mm hmm. Give me the problems. Talk about that, Bigs. What happened

to him? About Big Ye? What happened you reached out to me? He was like, yoe um, hey, damn yeah, because you know, I'm gonna be honest with you. I never said this, and I hope Dame is not mad at me. But I looked and I seen you hold together, and really you're not told me that. I think prior to that it wasn't then, you know, I mean you have.

I had it, but I spoke on the seeing them, so had pictures with J had pictures were day and I appreciated it so much because it's just like when I see somebody who's with punt Um and now obviously punt is not here, I always want to give him that same love that if pund was here. So when I see Rocket Fellow, it's just I always think of y'all three, am I It's the same thing. None changed? Am I idiot for thinking that three? Or it's a

trific that it's all of us. Rockefeller couldn't have ben Rocket fell without me, j and Dan Okay, Big Tim, So let me actually tell my brothers to this day botha god damn. Let's make some days. So now the reasonable Doubt album is that owned by you, Dane and Jay. I knew that. I knew that. Sorry, Bass, I dispectful. I was there for that. I knew what happened to that project. Sorr Yo cursed me out. I was there for every song day made Babes go Doubt was the

crew ain't and all that not me? Not Big. They got drunk with the student and we did record after record after record, all of them names. Yes on the West Side, but that's my brothers I remember, so they know where I'm from. Yeah, I gotta do what I do, man, just want to do. But now it's slum. I gotta say that man Big was about stove Emory Tap and be talking just your man name to big Time, big time, Yes, sir, big time, Yes, sir. We hung out every enough boil makers.

We had to dive ball nights is Amsterdam, which your boy making us beard with shots of bourbon. The tap, white people, not the tap is twenty hundred. Garret is gonna pay this, So let's just get it others way top top one spray right, that's that's a fact. I don't know to see that. I don't get into that. Just get into you go with your ship. I don't know about that. I don't know nothing about the men of the Biggs. What I don't know about that? Bigs on nothing think you we got you to spill? Man,

what's good spills? I don't care about this great spills. I don't love you, and I love you all loves and smokes like if you hit one full life, it's not gonna happen. Now, we're not gonna have to drive home. I'm good. I love I gotta drive home. You driving ships for Miami? What are you driving? Joy? Yeah, I'm gonna screw This is the we laugh. This is special man, you know that's what I were doing. This is the best taste something shop in America. Yeah, the most time.

My goal list, you know, my goal list to be the second best show in America. Podcast. You gonna make it up because I gotta This is crazy. I'm gonna you know, you know, like half that ship is crazy, right, Look a bigs you have a handle a million dollars. Bags kissed me on Biggs. They hand the wagon with base lovers with a hat a bunch of money played in Greek You played the game Great So Big, So Big.

One of the shows I would like to teach. It's called rap class, right, meaning I spent probably like um d bigs. Everybody from from seven Tonight two thousand and seven, two thousand and seventeen, we might have spent seventeen like a million dollars in liquor, right ship, So but we still don't understand, like people in the hood still don't understand like a good bottle or red one that called

six hundred dollars. So I wanted to teach rap class, meaning you know we you you say, I want to spend this, but you get this, like I see the

pictures with about say that, um Steve Stout. You see that that photograph or where Steve Stout was coming from Italy and and they actually pulled Steve Stout over and he was sitting there and he had all these bottles, and I had, you know, I got white friends, So I had the white friends google every bottle that he had, and every bottle that he had was like dirty seven hunted.

But it was ship that I never heard of, and I'm like, damn, I want to drink that do you think we need wrap class noise, because that's real ship. We spend money on the liquor, but we don't understand what we're actually buying. It's just like when Hole says, stop buying Christal. We didn't understand that he actually um applied something for it to be replaceable with Mason's spade or drinking something else besides the rock. I said, that's what I'm trying to say. That's what he That's what

Jay said. He said, I love drink something. Drink when it is big, is gonna smoke up from like, Oh no, ill is it because you're on your workout ship. You just beat parole, correct, probation, probation, Let's make some big. Let's okay, so you beat probation, I ain't beat it. I got it, he finish. So when it's big is coming you this guy right here, his name is Jordan's. He's the biggest weed growing in Rhode Islands. Correct undirect Because big is about your whole farm. You gotta likes.

So when this BIG's coming back home to the country, I don't know. You don't know. Right now, I'm just trying to actually just drink wine myself. That's it. That's it, y'all. Remember at one point you should come to a crab and you used to stop like three weeks after like before you go to see the po and then you just make cookies. You just used me as you were just told like seven ounces one cookie without your hair already small word. Just watch me, you know, listen, I

sweeter guard. I'm not a line. It's so different, man. It's my boy. It's the first time I ever smoked the volcano. You know what? Little they got seven different things and I'm smoking. I'm too hot. What can I do? He's like taking another cookie? Yo, I'm missed. I missed. He's just kind of like three or four times a week. I'm not gonna lie. I think it was four or five yo. Yo. My first date with my wife was like a big I'm taking to get something to eat.

We're gonna go to big scrib after that. But you feel like a king. Man, feel like a king. How did we get back? I don't smoke that ship. I don't smoke Williams. You know you know our engineering, Okain, don't get mad at what you're doing. Cocaine cocaine has don't do it. I only see whom do coke on face to that's it nine persons, your artists? How the how was it? How was it just you know, um dealing with Rocket Feller Because a lot of people they think it was just Jaye, right, they think it was

jay and that's it. But you dealt with with everything as a person that there was inside? How was it dealing with like people are artists like pe craft, artists like a freeway and you know, I mean for me, it was it was natural. They just people from the block. That's who you know, dealt with every day, so probably all the exact way of problems with that. For me, it was just natural. That's why they related to me. That's why everybody gravitated towards me, because I was just

like them. That's the fact. What did I tell you? I went to biggest to get you. I knew that. I went to the your d I love you big, I love you big face, Gary, I love you. You came at me way more than that, came to your no, way bigger than I will ever be in my life. I'm gonna be when you rock yeah and I picture and then we're done. Thank y'all so much for I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be these big champagne niggers. They did it way before me. I just want to know,

did you'll ever see him? The rose like that keep you never seen just s