Episode 112 w/ Big Daddy Kane

But he could be hopefully we should be shr boy in R one up his dj e F and his drink chance more happy and right that's longer than every right now. When we started this show, we said we wanted to honor and you know, salute living legends. And when we can speak of the guests that we have right now, there's no equivocations. There's no type of doubt at all. How legendary this guy is. He is single

handedly control the rap game. Put Brooklyn on his back, put New York City on his back, put a hip hop on his back, has represented, has done, has to travel across the world, took the Princess with Madonna and and that now even came over. And he's the only guy I know that got away with the speed though, and he's still he's still the coolest guy in the world. When you think a smooth operator, you gotta think of him, and I gotta ask him what it makes him be

a smooth operator. And in case you people don't know who we are talking about, we got Big Daddy came and man, we're so excited to have you listen. I don't know because I pulled up some whole lyrics and during her on, guy, so I got during her on. But we also know that you nobody got up. We got you red wine. That's your thing right there. Exactly soon as I pulled it out, I thought, we got you to you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, we

made you switch you on to red wine. Um well, now, honestly, I was messing with the remy you know what I mean, You know that sugar from that It was just putting too much weight on Yeah yeah, Kanye, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was doing that. Realmy liked like me and my my dude like we were like knocked down, like maybe like a two fifths a night. Yeah, yeah, I drink Champs. It's the whole time we've been on drink traps were on a hundred in summer episodes. Never popped the bottle

of dawn. I'm popping it in the rememoration to you, my brother for motherfucking big Daddy King. I'm popping a bottle of This is an old bottle to look at that, and we're even doing the slow mo. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry you. Yeah, I think we need to you have such a long career. Yes, um, I want to take it from the beginning, like what was inspired you

to get just just to start spinning period? You know, honestly, it was something that I got into at you know, the younger, at a young age because of an older cousin I looked up to, you know. I mean it was so it was that type of thing that got me. I got open up. Yet it was it was something you know, my older cousin was doing, so you know, I just didn't really just to be like him. And he told me, like, you know, you know you're too young.

Was he making records? No, No, it's just just you know, just him and two of his boys around the way, you know, the best side. You know, it was like a little rap group for three man rap group and he told me I was too young, like now, you know, you know when you get older. So then from that point my mission became to be better than the other two dudes down with him. So I started off frightened battle rhymes you feel me, and that's what I was

doing them. When I felt I had it right, I went in battled the two dudes down with him, beat them much older than you. Yeah, yeah, I battled them and beat them and then ask them can I be down now? You know? Oh I got notes and ship nigga. But okay, so you battle them now you're just doing it on the block. You just you're just been as a hobby. Yeah, pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. So how is it that you get to to where you become big daddy kids? There is there is there a persona

before Big Daddy Cane. Did you have another name where you did you like? But I'm certain that you went through a couple of days maybe well before Big Daddy Kane. It was just mc kane. Yeah, just mc cane kid. All right. So now look I'm speaking to my good brother Fat Joe today. So Fat Joe calls me and I'm mad Hike. He's like, yo, I said, yo, I got Cane on today. So he said, bud Wise is super fast? What class? He said, He's mad? Did I

asked you this question? Bud Wise a super fast? Biggie and Tupac actually came out the only time that people the footage of Biggie and Tupac's got a famous record. Yeah, actually no, Foreman Brooklyn, that were that one. You know, if Fat Joe told me that they were they, that wasn't even they set they were coming out with Cane. Yeah, that was Joe was next up to rhyme when they gave me to wrap it up, like you got five minutes. So I wasn't able to even bring Joe on. But

Joe standing with didn't the Mike Verniet. You know, Joe still me to wrap it up. Joe still was like, man, if I would have condo say, he said, day norry, but he still sat lot had five more minutes, he would have been on there. You know what, man. Let know the first time you met jay Z. The first time I met jay Z, um it was back and I want to say eighty eight maybe UM there was you know, they was like um in the early eighties, mid eighties, like you know my name was popping in

Brooklyn for battling people. But there was one dude whose name was bigger than mine. Um, this guy named Jazz. Yeah, okay, cool, like he was more popping. And then to top it off, to make matters worse, um dude around the corner from me on Fresh Gordon that had a Gordie Groove record. Fresh Gordon did a mixtape with Jazz and I lived

around the corner for him. So I'm like, you know you're gonna get a Massy Cat when I'm right here from Green or No no, no, no, no, I'm I'm from louis A two blocks from Rose of our projects in that side. Um, so I'm like, you know you're gonna get the Marc Cat instead of do right around the corner. So now I'm really pissed. I'm like, me and this Jazz dude go after the battle. We're gonna have the battle. So about wine, Sophia, none of that out at this time. No, no, no, no no, this

is like this is one of us had deals. Neither one of us had deals, and it just never happened. Like I tried to, you know, find the jazz we it never happened. Then here I am what I do, have records out, and I get a call from the Shirt Kings and yeah, and they say, yo, we want you to do a mixtape at Gordion Crib with Jazz. And I'm like, well, if it's a battle, yeah, I mean, I'm making records now, but that's that ship still was eating me up, you know. So you say it, you

say it. Back then, battling was like more important to even getting on the record with a person, like actually battling the m c well, I mean, you know that basically the record person was was great too, but like I said, this was something personal, you know. I mean I love Jazz now kind of respect for you know, but I mean, yeah, this was something personal there, you know. So it was like, yeah, we can do it if

we battle. And then when I get there on Grody Crib, you know, he's like na, na, na listen or you know, Jazz ain't with I mind no more. So we just wanted to, you know, like do something. I maybe y'all do something together, you know what I'm saying, Where he can you know, really shine and whatnot. You know, we you know, get the prop a new deal. So I was like alright, cool, okay, And then Jazz asked me, yo, can my man rhyme on it? Right? And I'm like,

you know, I don't care. This is so we did to join me Jazz and jay Z. And then afterwards do from the shirt king He was like, yo, um, you think maybe you can take Jazz up to Coach Chilling and maybe try to get him with deal, you

know something red label for young boys continue. So I told I told him, you know, I mean to be honest with you, I kind of like the skinny Lights skin nigger better, you know, coking about jay Z, about jay Z and um, you know, from that point, you know, me and Jay got hooked up, and like I was trying, you know, I tried my artist, you know, to get him. Um um, you know, a deal with several different labels.

You know, just things just didn't work out. But Lucky do smart enough to you know, figure out the way to do it on his own. You know. Yeah, But when you just inter Jack for one second, Daddy Kane is the first guest that came with their own cork school. Goddamn, some classy guy. Mann. You wouldn't expect anything, you know, I wouldn't need to listen. Listen, in my mind, who was gonna drink domp perryon? So I still got two bottles of dog perry On just in case you want

to be in this what is? What is? What is? Um? I'll get back to the jay Z thing later. But okay, you wrote the Vaporist correct for BIS Marketing. Okay, come on, guys, we need everybody to shut the hell out please. So look, this is prior to you having your own records, is it, Yeah, because that's how I heard. I heard that. That's how you kind of got on, like you was writing for BIZ and rock Shan Shawnta. But what's been like the first record that you wrote for that blew up? Was

it the vapors Uh? You got the Vaporist? Um? It was? It was now the first with some of um some of nobody beats the BIS. This came to me, you know, he was like, you know, yeah, I got this. UM. He told me doing the thing like using the Wiz song and he got this floating like he wanted because they you know, he was like, you know, let it flow like that and you know, just put something together. So that that was the first you knew that you knew you could think like somebody else, like that's what

I mean. That was pretty much around this most of the time. Like you already Juice cres No, no, no, Bis. You know he was Juice Crue but not me, you know. So how did you meet this? I met bis um through to a cat in Long Island. Um, it's the Long Island named Wayne. Was dating my cousin Nikki. And whenever you'd be around, he'd always be telling me about this dude named Bis Markey d Biss Markey, d is bis market d that you know. So I just such

a sun. So one day he came because my grandmother lived right across the street from now Be Square more so my first golfront for Square More throw that out there, all right, it's up in the basement. A bunch of took me there were out on my people from Fabrica. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, you gotta gotta mention that. I gotta do that. Yeah, But I mean, you know this time, you know, he's like, yo, my man business in the mall. You know, he was just

beat boxing two and all this and stuff. I'm not hearing them all right now, let me meet him. But I'm like, I need to understand something. After the day when I eat his ass sucks. From now on, you go to this BIS market, d dude, you tell him about mc king. So we went over there. I asked business. Battle were battled, and after the battle, Bisiness like, Yo, you're dope, man, you should get down with me. Um. If you get down with me, I promise you, man,

we're gonna make a record one day. Man, business big as this time or he's just no matter of fact. This wasn't even down to use two then. Yeah, he was actually just rocking with the Mike and Dave Cats doing parties and like all of them b X and Long Island. Yeah wow. So now let's let's take me in the mind frame the Vaporists. Did somebody shoot on you? You wanted to just get them back in the music. I had nothing to do that. Oh that was big

out there. The whole thing is bigs out there. Like bis was like him in mind like when you were right. He came with this, told me, yo, remember you were telling me that story about you, you know, your family member whoop, you should write about that, you know, And he was like um and talked to um. Cool v talked to Swan, you know, like like you know, and you know, I just talk with them and you know they told me different stories about you know, cast and

try to play them. They've been sweating them down, you know. So who came up with the actual word vapist bitch like? And it came up one day in the Alba Square moll y'all could play bills in the movie right, keep it real? No, I wouldn't do that. I was like, yeo, I played this. I don't know, but real talk doing another note though, I think that you are a hell of an actor. No real talk. They did a great jobs and plays. Go now what is now? What is this?

What the kind of red one is this? If it's described it's sexy ship, it's called clear, it's a Spanish red um, it's it's um. I believe seventy monestrail which is Spanish grade and seventy Spanish Sophistish cable. Have you got we got something? So? All right, you guys, you write the vaporus the song blows up. Let me ask you a question before I go into depth with that. How come business looked at like a real m c

and Drake isn't I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like, here's my thing, which I've always tried to explain. It's like, you know, once you cross that line, you signed that paper, you know, you cross that line. What you mean, well, I mean it's like you know, on the street, you and MC. But once you sign that are making records, you're an artist. You know, it's really where you want to go with it, you know. I mean with me, I've always tried to walk to fine

line and do a little bit of both. As an artist. I try to make music for men and women, you know, touch on b and keep the neighborhood ship as well, but also spit battle cats and do real m c ship. You know, I was trying to walk the fine line. I mean it's like for someone like big business and artists who makes, you know, some of the most funniest records that make you enjoy life, you know. So I mean with Drake Um doing this, you know the same thing. And if he does have cats righting for him, I

have I have no problem with that. I mean, you know, I think that makes him a great artist because I don't look at best no less than an artist. I don't look at uh Easy Easy actually said on the record, he said, um ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say, and for some reason it didn't bother me. But I found I was even a dope wound puffle. I don't rhys write. So how come these people don't tick off

the average fan but Drake does? You think it's because Drake is so high at the level, like you, you you got the experience to be that the only guy at one point? Do you think that's the reason why Drake receiven so much because probably could see a sex semple. He was a sex of too. That's my point. You know what they don't want the dude can imagine you. You're not gonna chick down, You're not gonna beat friends too long. You made it hard from out there people down.

But then this ever say like I'm the l s MC. Did he ever like, was that ever his his thing that he put out there? No? I mean he may have said it like you know rhyme and you know if the don't you know, but I mean, you know, because I think that might be the difference between a dude that considers himself an em C, a battle MC versus and just being a good overall artist. Some of them are gonna put themselves out there that way. I mean, you have a lot of cats out here that's making

amazing music that I think are great artists. And I mean, you know, I don't think that they should be looked down upon because you know, they have writers. But at the same time, if that's your thing, then I don't think that you should be considering yourself. You know, a real m c you don't take the time of rapper. Ain't nothing wrong with that, you know. That's well, that's well okay, so now you get to talk about the papers. So now okay, so after the Vapors come out, right,

are people checking for you now because they know you? Like, is it is it? Is it worth of mouth that they know you woke this record? So is that like not really? I mean, um, I think that down the line people you know, uh, you know found out that I was writing you know, um for Bis and some of the stuff for Shanta. You know that came like um down the line um, and those records took off immediately when they came out. Yeah yeah, vapers, Yeah, yeah,

they take started off. Come on, one of your old niggers, tell me, can you feel it. We were in the mall, walking around the mall, this here bad ship live and trying to you know, get that for a long time school. Yeah and big you're not chilly business. He behind her, just walking around, just just making up stuff like you know, like you know, like like Superman, Joe Olvers, scrapers. This girl here she caught the Faithors. He just kept saying stuff like that, and I'm gonna, what the hell is

you talking about? She caught the Faithors? She I'm saying that, you know. And that's when he started in then taking feeling nothing can save you because this is the season. Come on, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go through some Kane wins today. God damn it. So now all right, So when was the actual move where you actually felt like, Okay, I'm making progress to getting on, like because you said you just said that people didn't really take notice that

you're writing the record. It was it all? Let me see what was oh? Um, it began when Nobody beats the BIS, which was for the Vapors. Actually um the data BIS brought to beat. He was going on, I think to another record store to get the Steve Miller Band part for um. So he asked me to what and I'm like, yeah, I gotta test today, man, I can't you know your right right now? You know. So he went on and walking to the store and I

went to school. But after school I took the train to Marley Faib and Queens and when I got a story, a story, yeah, he's blowing up. Yeah. When I got there, BIS wasn't there yet. So you know, with Molly, he like cracked the door with the chain on it, and you know, your bin't here. I'm like, while calling me to man, he's like here, I'm like, you know, I

wrote the train all the way from Brooklyn. Did you know who Morley Mark was at the time on Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I've been there before with the chicks because but he was like, your business here, I don't know to tell you money, no doubt. I'm like these rhymes he supposed to say today, just let him know. I came through. Then he was like, you're writing big stuff like I wrote that, you know. He talked the chain off and was like you know, you know how this go, you know,

And I was like spitting a little bit up. He was like I think I think he asked me, did I write and make the music? I was like nah, and he was like, you know, come on in, come on in, and invited me in. And then like you asked me, do I rhyme? I'm thinking I spit something for him and he was like, Yo, let's work on something. Wow. Yeah, what's the first work that you worked on. I'll take you there, I'll take you there. Yeah, yeah, got there. I'm getting chills through my body. Got there? Old on?

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of Juice Crew, like what they was doing. I mean, yeah, yeah, it was. It was pretty much because you know what I mean we're talking about the time of this is during um Rock Sands Revenge the Bridge in so Demo, you know. So now, okay, so you make that record with Molly, Now when what is the first record that you felt like, wow, I kind of made it a w here to bring Trump. Come on, come on, we talk about your baby. Let's go. I know old Ka Lyris, Let's go, baby, want a battle? We got let battle

right now. I know I'm gonna win. So row Let's take me. Take me to that time frame. Well, I mean it's eighty seven, I'm fresh off the drink with Bids that I'm just finding with Bids shares y'all to what club is popping them, I'm like, uh no, Quarters,

roof Tie Squad. Yeah, I mean it was like, you know, we just fresh off that, just rhyding with bibs, were like, you know, I got a song out and you know I'm thinking that, you know, oh yeah, it's on now because I got this just rhyming with Biss joint with BIS. But since BIS started the song off everybody thought it was BIS record, so promoters his booking bids like, you know, like, yeah, he'll probably bring new dude with him. So I got a song that they're playing on the Rappattack and on Alert,

but nobody's booking me. I'm home. Broke his hell, you know, like I needed listen to my joint on the video and then go walk their team blocks to go steal Mrs pol Fish sticks because I ain't got nothing, you know what I mean. So that's how it was. And I'm begging fly Tie, you know rand Coach on records. Can I do a song by myself? Can I just do something with just me? He like, it's not time. You need to let this record marinade for a while.

You do. Then finally, I guess he gets tired of me getting on his nerves and I went in like Morley was. I was like, yeah, um, my man just gave me to see him this Bobby Bird joint and I found these Bobby Bird I was about to say, okay, that's to all the drums. I'm like, yeah, my man just gave me to see a Bobby Bird joint and I found these here crazy horns from off the Black season soundtrack, you know, and you know we we put the joint together and that was that. Yeah, oh I

get my notes. They don't want to make great. I don't want to make great right now, you got me like the goose bumps and all that. This is real ship man all right. So so not a juice crew because we just you just touched on the juice crew like me, right now, let's get even deeper. That's symphony session. How did that? Like? How did that go down? There was um the night I did raw. I took G after the studio with me and how did know rap?

I just can't say just juico. I just met through juic school because it was like the well shure I believe you may have had demo, yeah, but it was like we was the two Yeah, we were the two lyrical dudes and the crew waiting to get our shine because everybody else was popping accept us you did, so we're waiting to really get our shine. Ain't looking at you like the two lyrical dudes? Is that's the way y'all being looked at the time? Also that record correct

G and master as correct. Okay, So it's like you know, when I had did raw, Molly brought the beat back and me and G just did a little free style off of it and Molly played it and a lot of people was demanded like Yo played the Royal version with Kane n G on it, you know, So Molly was wait time out, Sorry you said it was just first you and G on symphony. Yeah, well, because like basically we round the off off the beat together and Molly played it after Roll came out, so people were

requesting it thinking it was a remix. Molly played it for a while, but then he stashed it and was like, Yo, look I need you and to do the same thing but for my album. So it's really just be a song with me and J. Then eventually, I guess when Marley is making the track of something, Craig heard it and I guess told Marty he wanted in, and Marlly came to me and I was like, you know, well, you know, uh, you know, I like that duck ller ship and you know, yeah, Craig my due. Yeah, absolutely,

So then it was me, G and Craig. But then the day we was filming the pictures for molly album cover, after we got through, we went to morlly crib right after the photo session, and he was like, you know, this is my new artist, Master Ace, and um, you know what we wanted. Yeah yeah, He's like, you want to put him on the song. And I'm like, you know, looking at Ace, you know, I mean, I love Ace,

but like Aces with these big glasses. Right, So me and g like we're sitting there like he wasn't convinced, yo, Like, dude, nah, I'm like, yo, let's let's say we're gonna get some pizza and get the fun up out of that was the plan. But I guess we took you long, and a got a chance to start spitting. And when he killed it, he said its verse. You know, I was like, yo, Glass is kind of nice, man, like I'm kind of feeling.

So then then um, afterwards, um, Craig spit his verse, you know, and then g came over and you know, we were that that g rap list. You know, Glasses first made me a little bit done, un crazed, you know, so it was like, you know, we was like, yeah, yeah, we we were messing with dude. We we we we didn't due. Yeah, let's do this. So we did it. And then but then g rap went and he said like, I don't know what it is. This is like, maybe you can tell me. It's just like a queen's thing, because like

he had like about a hundred and fifty bars. Man, this was yeah, you know, and dude ran the real or no, I'm serious, I'm gonna he ran the real or so I'm like, so I'm not going there, you know. So yeah, so you had to cut his rhyme. Um, you know, just so I can even flip my verse on what was the problem with you rock him? What?

What was it was? It was a you know, honestly to this day, I would love to know, you know, I mean, you know, I never I never had a problem you know with Rock Kim And you know, me and Eric B was like this. You know, when I bought my first house, Eric B had a set of keys um before I did because I was in l A filming something. You know. So, I mean me and Eric was cool. Um. I guess the type of thing where people just wanted to know who was better, so

they would push to try to get to compare. You got styles together, like because y'all go flaid back and lyrical. I think it's really a lyrical thing. Like I think Kane is lyrical. I think rides lyrical. But who's better? You know that type of thing, you know, a competitive thing you know which is which to me is hip hop? You know, so you know I can understand and wanting to see that. Do you do you do you when you see like meat mal And and Drake going at it?

What do you say? What do you think of things like that? I mean, I mean, it's my thing is like this said. You keep it on record, it's hip hop. You know, you take it off record now you turn it into a contact sport. You know, Um, they can't never have to slay somebody on the mic. Oh yeah, yeah, you have to slay King. Let's let's throw it out there on the micro or of the mic the mic, baby, come on, well, Sime of the context. I battled, you know that was my thing battling. So I mean there's

a whole bunch of rappers out battle. I mean, is that your question? You asking me like like somebody know I'm talking my own wax? Who did you slow? Oh Na not? No, I never had you did? You did not have time for that? Nobody wanted me, I mean nobody wanted it. So now now now the slick rick thing. Who broke this up? Was this APM D? Who was it it was? I think it was was ep MD

or jermainely Free. It was one of them. They said, slick of the bus thing, Yeah, the bus that y'all have beef and slicker pull out a gunna trying to shoot you. Is this truth? I would saying, yeah, my arrows man, So I got I just gotta acted straight up. It made me a little truth. But how did y'all listen? This is a crazy thing. Listen right right now. If a little um, you know, Curly had and uncle such

as such, half beef, we all know about it. But back then we didn't have Instagram, we didn't have Twitter, so it was an all word of mouth. So when I'm hearing this and and I forget who called me, and it was like, man, yeah, it's it's an EPND episode. And it was like, yeah, you missed a whole bunch of things like and I was like word, and I had never I had never knew that. I had never heard you go ask liquick, nobody that, nobody. Just keep it clear. So back in the days, y'all have BEEP,

but it was not on the record. Yea, yeah it was. It was some little mile stuff, you know, yeah, it was more or less. I guess about the tour issue about the tour, the l Nitro tour, you know that was No, it's nothing because it's you know what was the problem over? Who was the problem over? Like um the problems over the same thing um that epm D was talking about when when y'all had him here about the order of the show. Oh yeah, because he was down. Yeah,

I see, I'll tell you something about king. I know I'm telling the subject. But nikkas don't want to go on at the kids side. Nikkas don't want to come on at that ain't no half step, but I mean they don't want to come on and all. Honestly, let's just say this, yere slick Rick had an amazing show and also he had the club bands, Mona, Lisa, Children's Stories. He had an amazing show and E P m D. I mean it was like the energy they brought on

stage was phenomenal, you know what I'm saying. I mean, like these dudes just had like crazy energy, you know what I said For them to like not be doing a lot of movement, you know, they had they both the coming to town from school show. He's turning around, You're hit You're doing all like, hey, you give him a y'all. No, no, no, but I mean, you know,

I mean I came from a different perspective. I think me and you had this conversation over in London before, Like I was saying, like, um, I'll tell you that. I like, you know, Dougie Fresh came to one of my shows and you know, he saw me perform and like we smashed it. This is at the World down to downtown. Were just showing Douggie saw me smash it, And I'm asking him what you think? You know, doug is you know he's you know, you know, I mean,

you're no revils, Like you know what you know? I thought, did you hut up? And you know yeah, But I mean now, but it's like after I know I just rocked it, I'm in my mind, I'm like, you know, old school ass nigga just hate it. That's that's that's what's up. That that's what's up. But then he it's like, yo, won't you come by the crib, you know, let me show you something. So we go by, you know, his crib and he pulled out these on and back. I

think might have been Beta Max. I'm not even sure what he was rocking then, but videos of earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd. You know, he's you know, he's showed me what he studied and explaining how he you know, transformed that into hip hop, you know, to make him work at a hip hop show. And I'm like, m So that next morning I woke up and brought me uh James Brown video, Marvin Gaye uh, and Barby White.

Those are the first three up. I think this is before VHS and you know, um yeah, and I start, you know, um studying them and figuring out different things to do on stage. So you see, my mindset wasn't about how to make the dope hip hop show. My mindset was about how to make a dope show and make hip hop accepted. Um, I got I got another question to ask? Who's flat top? Would and eighty nine come on? Come on board? Okay, okay, you know, let me take you so how much used to pay your barber?

Because he had your ship? Right? Your ship was? It was? It was? It was how you calling this spatness perfecto? Well, you know it was like, you know, I had a barber. But then also school was nice with the clippers too, So before we go on stage, I can always get you know, you know what I mean. Then you had to you have a flattop back then come on, man, I had a flattop, but she didn't come out. I was like my she was not like hand my ship go through. I think I invented the gun because my

barber was just so fun up. You had had a gun too. I had that I had. I had a qual mape over that everything. I was a very hip hootka you know. So you think you put back it down a little flats out. I think, um, I think I may have made it popular by talking about it, you know, because I mean it was something that, um that I asked for from seeing Larry Blackman from Cameo. So I wasn't the first to have it, you know, and Kid from Kid and Play his joint was always

bad my ultimate, you know. But I think it was just a matter of me always talking about it, you know what I'm saying, like really putting a brand to it, you know what I'm saying. No, but you were like the hood. Uh let me, let me say this. You were like the hood, like you represented the hood. Like when you were doing it right, people from the Hood followed what you did. So that's what I'm saying, like that the Hood controls the world. So we didn't we

didn't see the flats out from Cameo. Do you think you don't? You don't think you just for the generation you're talking about, for that generation, Yeah, I didn't watch Cameo on them. It's like not really like that. They you y'all was my camp. I got you, you know. So now, when was your experience like working with Cold Chilling in those days? The Cold Chilling was like it was damn there, like depth like Death Row or whatever. Like you guys was like the first like hood label

that it was. It was ran by the Hood people. So how was that experience? I mean it was beautiful. I mean, you know, Deaf Jam without a doubt is um you know, like probably the greatest hip hop label ever. But Cold Chilling was unique because the artist was a crew, you see what I'm saying. Definitely, I had a bunch of pop artists. Cold Chilling had the Juice crew. The artists were a crew. You see what I'm saying. And it operated that way and with each one giving off.

You know, they're different, you know, forms of artistry. Dog like um. You know you had me on the lyrical stuff and the smooth players stuff, had g rap on the gangster stuff. This is on the comedies, Shante on the sassy mouth disrespecting every prose. You know, Shan is the wild child on the Wild Cowboy. You know. Yeah, it was like that Craig g you know, the baby come up dude, you know, and only y'all was a single artists and then became the Juice creup correct as

opposed to like Wu tang Wu tank was. Now we were brought in as a like you know, as a member of the Juice cool you know, because I mean you know this was you know, the juice creul is is you know, making a mistake. This is Mr the Magic Thing. You know. It wasn't Shan or Shante thing. It wasn't Molly or fly Ty thing. This is Mr

the Magic Thing. You know. So I mean I think people like Shante Isn't will forever be you know, the Queen of the Juice Crew, the one she is the one who made it popular because she was wax school as sister Fastine. Okay, yeah, but yeah, she's want to put it on wax, you know what I'm saying, where we all could eat and make money off of it. But you know what I mean, like like really a rapid like she would make the Juice Crew blood. So

Seant forever be the Queen of the Juice Crew. But prior to Seante and a lot of people don't notice, Jelil from Houdini, Mighty Mike, c from the Faiest for um Uh, Mellie mel waterbed keV. These are all members of the Juice Crew that was before her. You know what I'm saying, because this was Magic Crew, but David was a part of you know, his team with radio. You know, Seante started a whole new chapter of the Juice Crew as artists, hold on, let me let me

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invented smooth rap. And I think one of the people who are still doing it and perfect this move wrap is Jay Z. And he's director. Yeah, I think he's descended. You got you got Madonna on this list? Yeah, I got my dog God damn, yeah, you gotta go that. I first off, I got pictures with is that you got pictures? Is that Madonna and Naomi camp For real? What do the legs spread? Ari? You want to put them on? I mean that's how I knew. Just tell us what a job? How did you end up? What?

We know how it ended up? But you ended up in her book. The photo shoot. Let's let's go. What was the photo shoot? Like brother, that was Madonna and Naomi Campbell? Got damn? I mean the photo shoot was fun, you know what I mean? God, oh my god, hold on, hold on everybody see that for people on votes TV. Hold on, I got one more somewhere. I think you're done that post, Yes, can't come by now. The photo shoot was live. I mean, you know it's like you know,

music playing food out and stuff. Now. That was for her book, her book called sex. So it was for her book. Yeah, oh Madonna, Yeah, it was a Madonna. You're the first thing of the knockdown Madonna give me five. Let me listen, okay, listen, No he got no no no. Me and Madonna never had sex. We just took never, no, no, no. We just took nude photos. That's what I think I remember. Yeah, because you looked out a lot of things can't for them too, not on the list. I mean, you know,

and I mean, don't get me wrong. Madonna. You know, she's a beautiful young lady. And more importantly, she was mad cool because you see the way we met, that's what the whole because we met under different circumstances. You know, this wasn't about sexy, you know, freaky stuff. You know, like the way we met was uh me, Madonna calling me bad was visiting hospitals. Yeah, so so you see

where this is going. So we visited in hospitals kids like this, you know, sick in hospital, gonna take pictures with him, to sign autographs, and you know, these hospitals are like going you know, on the east side of man hat and stuff like this. While we did, you know, they knew who Madonna was. They knew who calling me

bad was. You know a lot of kids in hospital they didn't really know exactly who I was, you know, because this was like you know, you know, upper class you know, white children, you know, and Madonna is sitting there like, you know, big daddy can't say how the big Daddy came. He's a famous rapper. Let me say, hey, no, and I'm liken my ship. You know, you know, like like yeah, that was one of the movements for me.

Do you think pop? Clearly this is just killing. Can you see I didn't dispute dead Somber clearly his speakers is one of my mama A lot of like that. That's not me's idea. You please speaking. Let's keep it real, Kaine. Did you smell its? Come on, we all smell it. You didn't smell Let your hands right now. It's my diagrams. Get two things? What they're doing with that? Let me just tell you something. You listen, you got two of the baddest woman arguably for two of the best of

the both worlds. I would have wore speed on to my brother I'm gonna because he definitely got the speed on Leopard Crypt and all that. That's my nigger. What are you thinking, little Love the sneak? Don't you shot shot? It's more like, you know you gotta wear with it my name shooting real Brezy. I gotta little I think,

tell yourself game. They listen. We all looked up to you in the hood and we was like, damn, like in all mine I don't know you said you didn't, but in our minds just like, yeah, you could bow off, you could rap and you can fuck which bite bitches. This is this is who we don't In the one, it was like, oh ship, but daddy came and just cut our eyebrows. So then we started kind of hops again this person again. Literally, okay, let me tell you how much how much your eric's that? Never again? What?

Never again? Whatever? Never again? Because how much old little took my dog? Okay here, look look, because they told me you don't drink champagne or you don't drink it, but I just wanted to give you a bottle dog harry On for me. Tell you tell you know, I appreciate it because in my mind I thought it was gonna drink champagne because I just be looking at what was the ain't a half stepping when you're in the ring. You're in the ring, and I'm just in my mind

when they fed the water it was champagne. Well I'm meaning for the money in the record, I do drink champagne. It's your shot. I prefer wine, but I did drink champage. Okay, all right, cool, Well you know listen, can I just gotta throw this out there, every guest that we ever had did a shot of something, right, so you would you would would you like to Joe walk shot one shot or something? This is what I recommend. This is

called tanger but semi herbal. It's semi herbal. This is no sugar, just in case I don't know it's the right way to sell that. So I'm just saying, like you know, some people, we worry about their sugar level. This is it's a Chinese herb's we've been saying, and a lot of something else. If you take come on, come on, come on, you yes you do, Let's do it. This is a big daddy came. He'd been hyping all fucking week. Oh now we've been home, both been hype

because you know, Kane, there's no outlet for us. You hold, hold, you get the size of these fu shocklas. Come on, we don't come on. We gotta gotta yeah. Yeah, there we go. There we go, there we go, there we go. Okay, alright, get one. So still Cane. You know when we me and my partner we sat here and we said, you know, we had had a radio show prior to that, but on this radio show we were just playing around, just bullshit.

But we just sat sat back and said, there isn't an outlet for our people are older statesmen, people who put it in this work, people who did what they had to do and to sit down and be saluted. So we want you to know that this is what we're doing tonight. Big Addie came. First off, you raised me. In case you didn't know it or not, you raised me. I'm sure you raised half of these motherfucker's in their room. And if you didn't raise these guys in your room,

their parents fuck to your music. And that's why they're here right now. So you raised them in differently and definitely, So I un directly, indirect indirectly, because I just want to say, big Daddy came, You should be saluted every day or the motherfucking yeah, you're a virgo. We're gonna get into that later. It's a timer temp correct. That day should be big Daddy came, fucking holiday. Just do whatever the funk you want to do on that day.

She'd be able to piss on your boss feet and just and just come to fucking work and just do whatever the funk you gotta do. But I don't know if you know this is how we do it oky, This is out of this tiger bone, this is drink chance, motherfucking ship. And this is how big Daddy came. Oh you, it's not good at all they got, but it's smooth, or it's smooth. Of course he would say, no can I'm growing up, I'm following you. I'm a kid. How

do I become a smooth operator? You know? Lots of times I talked to the youth about their career, and it's like I always try to tell casts, you know that, you know, you got to give your fans you You cannot follow the trend, you know, because trends come and go. So when that trend is gone, you're gone because you was a part of it. There was nothing special about you. There was nothing special that made them. You know, try to dissocial dissociate you from whatever the hell else what's

going on. You have to be somebody that you need, give them something original, something when they would they gravitate to what you do, what you represent? You know what I'm saying, That's something I've always thought was important and in an artist, you know, I mean you you you got to give them something special, you know, And I mean all honestly, I feel like you've done that. You know, I think I don't think you know that you will

cut out to be the smooth dude. You will cut out to be what you are, and you wear it well, wear it well. Thank you. You know what I'm saying. Makes some lows to me, can't make some to me. You'll you'll twin you over here. You listen, you you wait, your twin, you come in. Look listen. I'm sure you was made up a big Daddy Kane record your average. This is how you got it. This is my man twin. He had a pace accident, but he's good not fail. Excuse me, sorry, damn big daddy kid. God, damn it,

some loved kid. But he got us. He got us popping dog Verry on twin, He got us popping dog Verry Honest. Yeah, he come to the glass. And that's about it. You want to get one if you're gonna keep your move. It sounded about hold on, take a second shot, take a shot of advanced that. No, But seriously, I don't know who, like who really like to go to movies and like really focus on scenes that deep.

But I mean, you know, when I was watching paydon Full, I'm watching a lot of the people that had little cameos and little spots in there, and I mean, like, yo, that scene with you, Yo, I mean you made it all up. Yeah, But the whole thing is that you stayed focused and you made your presence felt. You know what I'm saying. You didn't just fall back and just be a part of the script. You made your presence felt. You know, you came across from camera great man, like, yeah,

I do love to see more ship like that. Man. Now, speaking to movies, you did the Posse movie, how was that experience, because that was like that was that was like when we knew we thought like Dan Kane never coming back because I was like, was also looking like her coming back like the I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. It's like, you know, I enjoy doing it.

It was the type of work that I wanted to do because I didn't want to be on the big screen being a rapper or being a thug because I mean, you know, you don't see me do that in a video, you know. You know, it's like that's the music life. You know what I'm saying. If we act and then let's act, saying, let me let me do something out of yourself. Are like, yeah, so having to you know, speaking you know, in a period voice and you know

ride horses. You know, I mean I thought that that was beautiful and I mean I I enjoyed that opportunity big on much respects to Mario Van people forgiving me shot. You know what I'm saying. But I tell you one thing though, that ship was a culture shock like never before. What you mean by that, I mean the set, the set life like you know, I mean, were you um okay whoa queen? Yeah? Yeah, so just like Brooklyn. You know, what we see on day to day basis is cat, rat,

dog we come out of. That's wildlife for us. You know what I'm saying. You know, you see a cat and a dog in the daytime, the nighttime, you see the vest come out. That's what we see. You know what I'm saying. I will mention to the roaches. That's really you know the extent of brother. I'm out there nesting with tarantulas, scorpions. What y'a film is at Tucson, Arizona. That's her movie and Tucson, Arizona. It's turrible. I get

my head cut off a fucking I die. I'm the black guy back out blast like, yo, I'm timidus, I'm out of the movie. IM sorry, I can't. Yeah, but that's crazy with peckers snakes. Bro. Let me tell you something. Somebody asked you one time, like, yeah, I dude calling on my door every morning five am and my dumbass getting to open it up there and somebody knocked. Real talk, what pecker on schedule every morning? Real talk? No real talk.

Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time about you know, like yo, why you never make like no, no, no, no gangster ship man. And I was like, you know, because I mean I used the films they took him out. No, they took me to gangster records. I never you know, I never did know, you know, gangster ship. You know. I mean I spit hard. It was not no, no,

I hardcore but not gangster. But I mean, you know, I explained to myself, well, for one reason, there's um p, a girl that worked on the policy set that pull my card real easy. And let anybody know, there ain't nothing that that should ain't true. Because when we was filming one day, we're coming off set. My dude, like the people they're over there, like telling us to go like this, to walk another way. They're whispering, and I can't. You know, I couldn't have said what they're saying. This

is going on for a few minutes. Long story short, I couldn't take it. The more. I'm just like, yo, what they said, rattler. So I just took flight, like now now listen, I'm running, but I'm a man, feeling mother, but I'm a man. I got here's where they got funking.

The pie girl caught up with me and grabbed my vesh like you know, savor, and I mean, you know my dude, you know yo, I mean I remember being at a party in Brooklyn where I took a chicken through hunter speaker while they're shooting inside of the club and I'm standing out. You know what I'm saying. I mean, you know the gun that that stuff don't bother me. You know a different thing. She grabbed my ris. I started punching that shut up down. You know, said she's

showing me down. So I started punching shut out of her hand. You don't get it, because so yeah, I make the gangs and stuff for we got now because we heard stories that you've been were like like like Supreme Magnetic, the UM supporter, Weekends, Brain from Brooklyn, that's my dude. Yeah, So we always heard those stories, so we always automatically thought it was it was just you. That's not he's saying. That's not never at all have the videos. I was convinced, can't you can't take it?

Take it back now. I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. You know, I'm a nice guy. To drink red wine, fingerpop, my dada, let's make some drink Champs Army. We really got to support those that have been supporting us, and one of those companies that has been supporting us damn near from day one is seat geek. And it's not just about supporting them, it's just it's a good service. It's a great service. And buying tickets and for sports and concerts can be complicated and confusing, but there really

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for twenty dollars off your first seat Geek purchase. So get out there. Don't just listen to the music or go and watch it, you know, go live it. I'm not gonna lie. That's hard. I think we're gonna blow that picture up and put it right here in the store. I'm not gonna lie put it in my house. I'm not gonna lie. I said, you know, we interviewing Kane, Like fifty thousand just came through, and then it was like I was debating, and I was like, that's not Madonna.

But I thought you and Madonna had did a separate photos shop. I didn't know Campbell's in it, not only Campbell? So how did you not get hard in the photo shoot like I would have got? You know, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying you was it was he was already Like I mean, you know, it's like, you know, at a certain point in your life, you just get an understanding about certain things and you just, I guess to look at life differently because she got leg straight over the other one right now, all the professor ship like, holy molily, I'm just keeping it real, okay, all right, Well I'm gonna keep it real. I mean, it's like this. You know, I'm a Madonna fan. You know what I'm saying.

You know, borderline physical attraction, all them joints. You know. I've been, you know, rocking and watching the videos on Friday night videos, you know. And she's a very attractive young lady, you know. And you know your Naomi Campbell, you know she's fine too. But I mean, you know, at certain point in your life, after you don't did so much, you know, and you know, you know, your

mentality get a certain way. You know, sometimes you just come to the realization that you know, the best pussy you ever had is the pussy you never had, And it's so much more fun just thinking about it. That's that's ship. He gave me another season just now that it was so over my head and sharp d you know what I mean, let me bring it down to you. Have you ever in your life bag the fine check that was? I mean, built amazing, got it back to

the hotel Dodo bird? Yeah, whack. You know what I'm saying, Just whack Dodo bird, you know, like giving you them crazy psychotic looks or or can't do doggy style or you know, just just just everything just going wrong. You know what I'm saying, You say, just don't ruin it. No, no, no, What I'm trying to say is that. But it's more exciting when you think I'm saying don't ruin it, but by trying to bag it. Oh yeah yeah, okay, yeah,

exactly what's your illness? Groopie story? Can the abituate outside your door with milk? For some reason, I just feel like chickens outside you're doing inside like Poony Tang. You never seen that because Kane Cane he was that. I guess, my, my, my, illest one would probably be um um uh, let me see, Oh yeah, probably the LLL tour, the same one the night to Dilick. Yeah, the Nitro tour. He gives out flowers, roses,

the pitches. He's cheating. You know, I'm saying, if you ain't giving out roads, you're coming after that business like let the no, no, no, that's that's for your game. I mean that might have been what what what messed me up that night? Who knows? All right, just talk

about the game. I mean no, because I mean it was like Russell Simmons actually introduced me to this check and you know, she was claim came back to the hotel and me and Russell and I think by some Andre Horrel, I believe it just about a bar and she came in and l L was over. They sign and autographs and she went to L. No, I'm not telling this story. Two listeners want to have to listen, and they all in this room. Don't worry about it.

Everybody unreleased it. Everybody. She went to L you know, not seeing them they're chopping it up or too late now and then they chopping it up and whatever, and like I see, like pitch her cheek or something like that, and then she walked over to the bar to me. Now my problem with that was my problem was that it's like this here, you sposed to come meet me at the room. So after L shot you down, you spoke to the elevator when you come to the bar. That lets me know that you saw me all this

goddamn time. That's you know what I'm saying, and just just choosing in front of me, you know. Okay, So it's like all right, cool, So we get upstairs, you know, we get a popping and you know, I'm into what I'm doing, and you know, I mean it turned into you know, one of the type of things where you know, I you know, I'm shorty to get my r kelly on, you know, and let's go, let's go. I mean, it just felt good you had to go. I got a pee right now. So I don't know how you done

about it. I think it's the only it's blazed for the hardy just makes a noise. I'm sorry she liked it, you know. I mean it's like, you know, when I was young man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man, crazy stuff. No, you know, I mean like I mean disneyn situations where like several people, I had to go back and you know I had to it just felt just wanted to you, and I went back and I apologize for a lot of crazy stuff I did, you know,

because you know, I'm I'm forty nine. Now I'm married, you know, and I mean I love my life, I love my family, and you know, it's like, you know, I just look at things differently now that you know me. You know, back then, you know I was down. Yeah, I was a little bligger. You was the man in eighty eight. I was born in seventy seven. That means like roughly like I was nine, unch him. I was gonna rop with me day. Yeah, I've seen you said, damn he had the four finger, Wayne, the fourth finger?

How do you fingerpot with four finger? Back? An expensive? It was something good finger pop and was like like in style back then, like niggers didn't even want to he wanted to dry home and finger pot. I'm just saying because I was like ten, I don't know how old you do what? I was probably like thirteen. I don't know, Drane, how old were we? How old are we? Da? He was, You're only one year younger than me. Brother, you're like two years or forty two? Okay, two years? Okay? Cool?

Oh I goddamn we little side track? What your butcher rockets calling me hold on? But was talking about finger happing, finger pop and still popping. Figure's a good poem. What no listen back in the day's composed to everything? Like I didn't have a new what you got? Who are you going with this? What I'm saying back in the days?

This is like ninety seven, Like he used to go to the club and just he wants to finger pop fitch Like I never really got like like I get like in the moment, like I'm thinking about you write with what Like he would fingerpop in public, they'd be like peace and he's just been showing the whole night. It's when did he space? Like my god, like paulm staying away with me, I'm sorry a little finger pop

it brings back so alright, damn I got notes. Can we go back to the Biggie Tupac coming out of the stage with you, your relationship with POC and big like, can you talk about that, like let's go pop first? Yeah? Um, well I've known Parks since he danced for Digital. Like that's how we first met, UM when I brought Digital on the road, Yeah, my Chocolate City tour, UM, and we got cooled in. He told me that, you know, he coming out with his own stuff as a solo artist,

and he's he's let me. He told me, you know, it's not gonna be like this Digital stuff. You know, I've got a whole different direction. He spit for me, and you know, dude, dude was nice. UM. So I've known him since then. UM. Biggie, on the other hand, I never really had a relationship with We've been around each other, I think maybe like twice, UM. But there

were several phone calls that we had, UM. I guess, like certain career decisions that he was making, and UM Mr C would call with him on the line, and you know, we chop it up and you know, you know, he teld me what's going on. I guess he's asked me what I think, you know, my view on it or whatever. So I've that's really relationship over the phone.

We never really kicked it, you know, but I've always respected both of them, admired them as artists, and you know, just looked at their depths and sad losses for hip hop and the world during their when they were going

you know the rivalry part. Did you speak to any of the park I spoke to I spoke to Pop, but it was brief and it was kind of interrupted, interrupted by more East Coast West coast drama because it was like a conversation we started on an airplane, and by time we got to death Row studio, you know, somebody presented him with some more drama about was trying to sign you wasn't death Row trying? Yeah? Yeah, this was that time. This was that time. Yeah, this is

that time. You know, we was talking about it, and I guess I was trying to, you know, may him understand you know what it was, and they seemed like I was getting through. But then you know, as soon as we got to the studio, here comes Cats talking about Yo Mob Deep and um Lauren Hill was just on on I think MTV TV answer something that they was trying to play you. They were saying something to such and you know, they filled it up right back up a camp and you in that studio and yeah, wow, damn,

can you got someone's goddamn history? We we definitely need a big daddy came day. All right, it's a timber. Tim, let's do it and we do declaring it on Drake Chaps. Right, it's Tim with Tim. There's a big daddy came there. You just gotta cut your eyebrows. Come outside. If you can pull out the hot top, do it. Put out the hot top. Gr barber gotta be nice, though, your barber gotta be nice because you can't have it, can I think I wat the flatsop right now on this

all these kids are doing it. They ain't doing a a flat time, No, some of them are. I mean, they don't call it came over there. I guess who. I think it's a popular basketball player that they reference that. You now, I forget who. But but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ok yeah, Okay. Kids ain't get yeah. I mean, you know that's how we go coman. I mean, I have a picture in my house with my pops were one in the sixties, you know what I'm saying. And I thought,

didn't Larry Blackman created it? You know what I mean? So this this is this is our engineer cocaine has Just want to throw that out. Default in the eighties was cocaine heavy in the eighties, um in hip hop and hip hop specifically Studio fifty four we heard um. I mean I remember it being like, you know, heavy around the hood like in the early eighties. Matter of fact, late seventies. Early I remember was like fly back there

exactly like it was. It was a luxury drug. But I mean, like the first time I was like really around it, around it. It was in the nineties, Like I had a party and somebody was doing it at the party. You know, that was the first time I was really around it, around it. You know how they was doing it. There's at the party just whatever Nickel, why I sniffed them? Um. Now, they asked could they use on one of the bedrooms because he was having

mansion parties and shipping or something like that. But I mean, people, you know, I told him, you know, go ahead. But then you know what happened was they switched rooms and went into the wrong wrong room. So when I came in there to tell him to leave out of this room, you know, I see they had they loots, you know, little on the dresser or whatever. You know. But I mean, but that was my first time like being around it like that, you know. So what's the best time in

hip hops came? It was the most fun you ever had, Like you I mean, honestly, I feel like the finger pop got to be what we're saying, Like, I'm gonna be honest, I think his fingers still smelling with st No. I mean honestly, I mean my best time in hip hop was probably um mid to late eighties, you know, um, because you had, like, you know, so many different artists when nobody really sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same.

Nobody sounded at least they did try to, you know, yeah, and there was a couple of copper casts, but they just all got never working. And then when you go to a party, you know, the most stugged out dudes, you know, with dance when Gostets come on without a polls Top building. You know what I'm saying, Brooklyn's in the house when those type of songs came on, he damn top Yeah, shout understood, cold man. We did that

on my album too with Milk d Yeah. I mean yeah, it's it's like, you know, that's that's so It's like I just love that era of hip hop because it's like, you know, prior to that was um uh you know the run dmc houdini, um Furious five, you know that guy era. But you know it's like, I don't think that that era um was like like as lyrical as

the late eighties. And don't get me wrong, Mellie mel Kumo, d Grandmaster Cast, those were lyrical peace, But I mean it was like it wasn't where like radio and fans like the hip hop fans that are, like it was really focused on the lyrics like that like they were in the late eighties, Like we're like, you know, you whack, We don't even want to listen to you. You know what I'm saying. But how did those guys have set

you back then? That was an interesting and she just broke up your name all the other legends who came before you, like uh, like right now we're dealing at the time that these young guys are the guys. They're all the guys. They are like they are the chosen ones for now. But they look they actually looked down on my generation, you know what I'm saying. So how was it for you when you was the guy? Was the people prior to you looking down on you guys in your opinion? Uh? Well, I mean, you know of

Millie Mel. Yeah, yeah, Millie Mele was um in the beginning, but then we ended up becoming real cool ultimately. Mail just you see him again. But I mean, you know, it's like, you know, with Mel, you gotta understand that and respect it because he feels like he kind of pioneered it. And I mean, it's not about him feeling that way he did, you know, I mean what Hollywood created, Mellie Mel perfected. You know what I'm saying. If there if there wasn't a Mellie Mel, Me, you and everybody

else would have been on the mic. You know. You know what I'm saying. Nellie Mel perfected him seeing he made it what it is. You know what I'm saying. He is the architect of m seeing Mellie Mel, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know, you gotta understand for him to not really get his proper respect and if, of course he's gonna be better, So

it's understandable. Melliel over here drink chance. That's a massive him and um, I think they hired Mellie Mel fum before they style and it was it was it was crazy for me to like to see him. He going he's still you know the does he still do that and destroys it like and he'll take it through do different generations. He was seeing other people recoring not forget that with them tight hants on He's still doing the leg cross and stuff and drop down on the floor.

Hold that that's the Villa's thing, you know, Mel, Yeah, mil, you're not going to funk out. Yeah, but I mean your mel you know, you know. But but like MOLDI I guess Mold thing was pretty much more personal with him and ll So with me and then met you know, we broke bread and we was cool. And with me and Grandmaster Cash, it was a type of thing where you know, I let Cass not that I'm a student to him, that everything I do lyrically I owe to him,

you know, I mean enough recognition. Actually, he's so incredible, Like I mean when okay, yeah, and then go back to one of the first questions you asked me Tony T. When I was first started, my name was Tony T. Like I thought I was killing it. I had something like when I'm the t O n y the t e E your eyes can't see I know, the tricks, and I know the trades, and I'm shop as a motherfucking raised and played. I thought I was killing it.

And then my man played this joint for me, and Cash is on there talking about Grand Master Cash, Captain of the four. Another nigga couldn't touch me. If he had a rhyme store, even if he had a plant manufacturing violence, he couldn't make him no better than I make mine. I'm like, you know what, I ripped my whole note book up and started my life over your dick for real? Hold on, what's that I gotta be? I'm out, I gotta I'm out for you right now. That's what I want to know. What the funk were

y'all drinking in Brooklyn? Then y'all were spitting the cadence. The y'all were spitting like I'm in Miami. And now when we reflect back, y'all was doing double time ahead of that being the trend um. Well, that really started hal with mo Yeah, okay, that really started in Hallow with Moti with that I'm a super trooper but making money, but that I forgot how to rhyme go. Yeah, that really that death real fast started thinking little with Modi

in in Hallow. Um. But I mean, I mean it's it's like, you know, in Brooklyn, I think that the whole cadence and everything that you hear from a lot of Brooklyn see speaking of myself, jay Z Biggie Fabulous. It's that it's that pep ship because it's like, you know, just the way we we view stuff like um, like you like Master D having a party, you know, like you know Master D jamming. You know you're gonna get

your you know, your V next sweater. You know, you know your double net V neck joint, your mock neck, the thorp under it, you know, some genes to the permanent crease and your British and you know you're British walker us and like you know, that was that players ship that we wore, like you know, like that's that's how we're coming to a party that's like a hip

hop party, you know what I'm saying. So it was like that type of thing where it's like, you know, we looked up to the dudes that's talking ship in the barbershop or in the pool hall, the pimps on the corner, So that it was that type of slick lingo that we appreciate it and respect it, you know what I'm saying. Like it was like that type of lingo, and I think that that's what really defined a lot of Brooklyn m season, made them a lot different than other,

you know, artists from different burrows. You know, now speak about that. I sent you a couple of players ball back then. What the were we doing in the players Ball? I thought I was a pain for a week. Now you're gonna tried to you don't tried to get me to admit to being a gangster. So how do you think this is gonna work out for you? I just good, no, good, Look we we did. We did see each other at

the Players Balls Company and Georgia Company. Yeah. So like I was, King just connected to all these worlds, like in the most respectful way, Like you're just connected to the l ship. I mean, you know, I mean it's like, you know, I move around. I'm I guess what you can call a soul searcher. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I can, I can, I can, I can vibe off for energy, man, you know what I'm saying.

And I love positive energy. I love positive you know, positive energy might be in a room full of pimps with loud as suits on. But they in they're buying each other champagne, talking ship to each other, having a good time. You know, it might be that the situation, I agree, it might be a function that a bunch of women are having where they're talking about, um, how women can become leaders and have high positions and jaws and it's a bunch of black women just talking about that,

trying to build something positive, you know. But I just I love positive energy, man, I love it. Man, I'm not gonna know I know exactly what you mean because I was never a pen but I took a liking to Juju. I took a liking the Pimmican. I took a like in a bishop. I took like in the all of them, and they took a liking to me. So they would invite me to these events and I would come. So one day I just actually I just

actually tried to actually be in pump like. So I actually had my gold come and I went to his white girl said this choose, said, how to choose you? I said, oh, Ship, I didn't. I had no idea what to do. And then everybody on the nias. It's like, I don't know what the center to me, I'm like, we're lax, I know, se Joes, I'm not what to do something, absolutely nothing to do. I have to see your buck, you know, I would come on. I'm on

the road. I'm doing fifty nights. You know. But yeah, so my my, my pimp career didn't last your career, Yeah, it didn't last a long time. I know because I used to go to the the players ball. They gave me the cup. They gave me the players call you have to be a real player. They get a players called did you have a players car with the gold? The gold players call the green days? Let us look at that. Look I ain't gonna one. Before they went to get my car back, I was like, yo, look I'm not

really here. But they accepted me, so I expected the culture pim kan A lot of them dudes is cool dudes. Juju juju ye juju real real good dude man him man, good good game, game, good game. I don't think so. I think he's I think he's still down. I could be wrong, but I think he's still there. But yeah, I don't know even met Kenny Red from Yeah, A lot of a lot of dudes. You know, they're real good dudes, man, you know, I mean, you know Bishop, you know, that's that's my dude. You know, you got

you know, funny as hell, you know. But I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, it was a time in my life where I had to really sit and reflect on something that he told me to. You know what I'm saying. So, I mean it's like, you know, I have the utmost respect for Bishop. So yeah, yeah, so but it was nothing like Kane pimpin or nothing. Okay, I'll move on, I got, I got, Okay, no a right back in the days. This is before you met your wife, right, I heard just mastered the female cop

at a concert? Is that true? Look in your limo? That's That's what I'm saying. This is, this is, this is. This is people the internet that you was in a concert. Female pulled you over and you pulled over. That's a lie. That's never happening. It was at an autograph sign and that's awesome. Oh my god. Yo. So do you look

at you do you look at your life? And like my Louis e p is is I want to title it my life though, do you ever look at your life and be like, yo, my life like the ship that you accomplished, like coming from nowhere and just say ship I did. It's just it's just dope. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm I'm happy. I mean, to be honest

with you, Um it's the final chapter. H that makes me happy, you know, because I mean it's like, you know, when I was younger, I did a lot of crazy stuff and it was fun, you know for the moment, you know, but then after while, you know, like how we're saying the thing about it, you know, the best is the best? You know I never had, you know how we're saying that. I mean, it's like, you know, it was fun for the moment, did they get boring? But now you know what I'm saying being able to

wake up. You know, I gotta four year old to be having me on the floor playing with um um Transformer dolls and transforming steal cake my four year old joints they got transformed. Still it was dry. I not I'm on the four club playing with Transformers with my four year old and Avengers characters and you know, doing stuff like that, and you know, you know, my wife talking to me about dinner and showing me stuff online that she want to order for the house and all

this stuff. I mean, you know, it's like that's the thing that you know what I mean that you want to that's that's that's that's that's that's how what I wanted. That's how I want to live. You know, you know these final days out, I want to live them out like that. I did that. Well, let's say a final days came because you're gonna live forever. That's what you were particular drink champs and that's well, I mean, I want to set on the song I may die one day with my runs main like so yeah, I know,

I know I'm here eternally. I'm just saying that. You know, I'm just saying this, said Flesh. You know, if I have a long he said, Flesh, you know questions, huh, you go to Costcos executive number. I'll come up. I love you got Costcos Costcos. You understood what I'm saying. Dyslexic. Are there any big daddy can regrets? I didn't sun my daughter. I don't know exactly, I don't know, but I know, I mean, you know, I mean, you know, it's like this said, it's like the equation. You know

what I'm saying. I mean, I mean, it's it's like you know when you looking at that, what the answer is, you know, that's what's important, And what the answer is is what my life is now and whatever it took to get it where it is now. Having regrets might change all to something and I may not have the

family I have. So no, I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna, you know, say that I afric regress when you was at the top, because like very people can see, like I've had success in hip hop, I've never had the type of success that you had, like being the only guy at that top of that that badman and then you have people who follow like a big jail or nas or whatever. But I've always been

like a step behind you. Guys, Like, was it over overwhelming when you were just out there and everybody ever could imagine how much your people was ringing because it probably wasn't phones back then? Was the overwhelming where you were just like damn, like you you you asked for it, you got it, and then you were just like damn, was it ever like that or not? I mean, because you I mean, I'm I'm I'm a private person. You know.

It's like with me, I like to come around people, spread love and then go to the comfort of my home, right you know, like you know you've been like that since then. Yes, I mean, like you know, I go around the way, shot out on you know, on on on Lewis and Van Buren, or go hole to my peeple Script and Brevoid projects, you know, other people over in Brookline, or can hang out, you know, buy like a half a gallon of Hennessey, you know, you know, get them maybe like about two hours of we'd you know,

and let them, you know, do what they do. Said. I did share with them, you know, cast that wanted to float a little you know, we get a little ssfer go and spit something whatever, you know. And I mean, you know, I might have you know, a little ship, you know. But it's like, you know, I'm just watching them enjoy theirselfs, you know what I'm saying, because he's his brothers that I respect, and they're still in the hood trying to you know, come up. I want to

inspire them, you know what I'm saying. You know, to stay focused, you know what I'm saying, keep tracing chasing that dream and when I take my ass home and then yeah, then I break open my filth of in me. You know what I'm saying. And you know, I sit back and I listened to my motherfucking oldest Redding or David Ruffling, you know the stuff I was. I'm not out there rocking some hip hop with them. I can't

come home. I'm thoughts and David Ruffin and just Redden and some of smooth stuff and just laid back and I'm showing that I'm good. Now this is my life, you know. Now you got a record with tupop correct. Yeah, well there was one with me, Pock and Hammer, and then there's just one with just me and Pocket and the one your pockets called Wherever You Are? And Hammer was too late player, too late. Yeah, he was the

junior joint. Too late. Yeah, so that's crazy. So alright, that pop, right, that pop that you knew back then because you just said earlier, he was like your new pop. Those records of pre Death Row pop, those all those songs all happened that same night. I'm telling you about the differences that same night as Hammer was signed the

Death Row too. Yeah, this is all that same night to underground Pop I'm gonna turn into the death row Pop that you not because you gotta understand, it's like Pop spit for me, and when he spent for me, I saw that he had lyrics and I saw where he was going with it, the resolutionary side of para. I saw that, you know what I'm saying. But I mean, you know, it's like I didn't know exactly where he was going to go with it, you know what I mean.

It's like, you know, she spent for me, and then you know, like you know, three hours later, you know, you know, he was on you know, stage doing a Humpty dance with with with um und So I'm like, I don't really know where he gonna go because underground, I don't know, like he kicking some programs you um, like,

for example, like my dads in Scoop and Scrap. To try to imagine school or Scrap doing the same thing I did would be a difficult site because they've already been seen at school and Scrap, You understand you're saying. So it's like I didn't know how to public would perceive it, you know what I'm saying, Right, And that day when you going Big and Pop both on your stage. Isn't scoop on the stage too? But but did you know those those two guys were turned into the people

they turned into or you did? Um? Well, at that point, Park was already on his way. You know, Big was an up and coming Yeah, because it was what happened was C called me and said yo, which is really how we all like in Miami, how we heard this freestyle He put on a mixtape and we all heard around the well. I mean the reason why anybody heard is because Mr C, because he was smart enough to record to show that he was fest is a super fest every night were on stage with Patti LaBelle jeval

LeVert MC light um silk. I mean, it's a lot of me I think, B B D a lot of major artists every night. But that particular night she decided to record. That's crazy. He hadn't recorded none of the mothers he recorded that night, you know, so the rest of the world heard it thanks to Mr CE. A matter of fact, let's get Mr C something at that. But he called me and was like, yo, big one to come, and you know he was wandering the farm, you know. Uh no, A matter of fact, all he said,

was Big One to come. That's all he wanted. He said Big One to come, and I was like, all right, cool. Then he hit me back and said, yo, um, did we have a record though, Yeah, he may have had part party and bullshit. Yeah, But then he hit me back and said, yo, um, Tupac is in town filming a basketball movie. But I don't think he knew the nathing.

He said he's from his basketball and he wanted to bring him with him, and you know, me with the my battle mind state, I'm like, yeah, friendly because you want to battle that well. I mean it was like, you know, possible, Yeah, Park was There's nothing personal. I'm not love them just this was this was the brother that came to me in the beginning of his career, so I had nothing but love for him. But this

is hip hop, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, you know, yeah, yeah, bring on them, bring You're gonna burn them down. So that was, you know, where my mind state was. So when they got there, you know, they just came to really this and I told him, you know, yo, you know you wanna get on. So

that's really what my mind state was, you know. And I mean who would have known that it would have turned into what it turned into, you know, because when you seen that beef transpired because you you knowing the night that you just had this is at the Guarden. Correct, the Bubbs was at the Garden, So you know that that night they just had you just had to both on stage with you actually and then you hear about this this beef you ever thought of would have went

this far? I mean, you know it's like and then and here two part question, I'm sorry, do you ever think it went this fall? And then not only that, did you ever try to interjeck like just try to like, well, I told you I tried to interject on on the plane from who we're going from Vegas to try to explain that I got interrupted with Yeah. But I mean it's like I didn't think it would go this far. I mean I was surprised, you know, because I mean

it's like record you understand it. Here's what I'm from. Nobody, Okay, I'm aware of you know, artists battle in their parties, going against each other, and they got to ride on the same train home. You know what I'm saying. This is type of shift I've seen, you know, what I'm saying, I mean, cold crushed, battling, fantastic on busy being Kumo D L L and Kumo D You know what I'm saying. I mean, I've seen mc shannon caress One. You've seen

them battle in it and then again. No, no no, no, no no, I mean I know I'm talking about that's that's something separate. I'm just saying that all these battles I've seen where it was just battling m seeing you know. I mean like me and mc shann on the same label, and him and carress One battle in each other and Carross One. MS Melody helped me move out of my mother's crib when I first moved up to my parents into my old spot. Carross One and MS Melody helped me move out.

Wasn't you you made an appearance in the self Destruction video which is which is karros one, Miss Melody? I mean, I was supposed to be on the song, but apparently I was lied to, you know, yeah, somebody told me that because I guess the data is according was a data I had to show or something like that. I can't remember, and they told me that that was the only day that I've heard record vocals. M damn. Yeah.

And then but I found out way later that you know that I think maybe Chuck D and somebody else have recorded their focus on another day, but they told me, oh, now they've recording everything that day. So I just, you know, I just assumed that I was ship. I ain't gonna be to make it, so you know, it is what it is. But I would have loved have been on that song. Yeah that's a selfless drunction. Jeez, Louise father

che Yeah. But you know, but back what we're saying, I mean, it's like you know, with all I saw, you know, in my lifetime when it came to m C and then as you know with me, you know, I mean, this is something I've been doing since nine eight two, just going to different peoplehoods, battling them. Um, you know who your best MC over here, you know, year around, Yeah, let me holler at him. You know, this is what I've been doing since nineteen two until

I got to deal, you know what I'm saying. So it's like this is an understanding that I have, like, you know, this is hip hop, this is what we do. So too, Biggie and Pop to see what they went through. I'm like, because they gotta be crazy from you coming from a battle state and seeing and then but you had to feel different from hearing um Tupacs hit him up. That was a different type of this rap. This rap correct.

It had to be to you too, because I'm born in seventy seven, so like your generation is like just right before minds right. So I've heard the battle ship, but it was never like when Tupac took it there would hit him up, like hit him up, was like this was something like he went on his wife. He went,

it's just everything that he said. It was just like there's no coming back from this were you never seen I'm not this record is worse than I'm not gonna say that there's no coming back because if you understand the all the war, it's always a way back, you know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know, you know what biggie mentality was like back then, but if you understand the all the war, there's always a way back, you know. I mean, Ali be George Forman when nobody

else could fact, you know what I'm saying. But I think Mike Tyson, I think he meant there's no way back after for pop ye Cross. Yeah, you're talking about pot cross the line. Yeah, and there's no way there's no squash because, like I mean, I've been till then, we didn't hear this record like that, we heard this record. It's like yo, your girl, like yeah, we didn't hear like motherfucker you know. Then I mean it's like this, then understand me. Funk it. Y'all just can't be friend

is no more. Y'all just can't be friends no more. But now your your question is this. You know what I'm saying. You're ready to take it there or you want to reply? The choice is yours. You know. Now, if you take it there, then the battle is over. There's some street ship. Now it's a context if if you're ready take it there, the battles over there. Saying if y'all was battling and then y'all start fighting, then't that's it? The battles over They gotta keep it on

the streets back then. I mean, it's like you see it. If you feel like somebody violated your family, you know, disrespect your family away, you know what I say, and you're ready to take it there, then I mean, what's the purpose of batting. Just just go ahead and go where you got to go with this, you know, if that's what you choose, or if you choose to respond and violated him directly, you know. I mean, it's it's

it's it's it's you know, that's versus yours. I mean, it's like I can't really speak on it or say, you know, what it should have been, because it's like, you know, this is what Park said about Big, this is not what Park said about me. There was obviously more things that played with that beef, like we don't really yet. I mean, here's my thing, is this man?

You know? Besides all that, at the end of the day, had Puff and Shug sat down and had a meeting on some don king Bob aram ship, they could have said, listen, we're gonna charge Whoop the Woolf for pay per view, and we're gonna let them go three songs a piece. I'm gonna keep it real with come give me a second.

We're gonna let them go three songs a piece. Then after the third song, we'll let them go two rounds of battle rap, and we're gonna have people judge calling the judge, and we'll control the hundred or one nine hundred, whatever number to get money off of that, and they both could have got I mean on for them, could have got filthy or for the meaning pop Big sugar Puff. You know what I'm saying. That's the way that ship

should have been done. I mean, you know what I'm saying, turn into some real hip hop should make it, you know something you can make money off some real boutanies. That's how I should have been done in my good right, Like the mc shan Caress like day was going on toy at one point that was brought about because of the Sprint commercial. You know what I'm saying. But I mean, just this could have been turned into something that could have kept a hip hop but civilized, and maybe both

of them would be with us. But all through respect, Shan kind of still is a little bit mad of Caress right now, and Carrots sit on our show that it was semi serious, That's what I'm saying, but like right now, we're serious. I still see Shan like mc shann't pick him up. Queyne's bridge fine this, but I still see Shannon like every now and then every thwee clicks, I see it's still a sham dissing caress like, he's still like, man, I'm still here to diss each other.

And that's the big difference. They're still here to diss each other. And that's the big difference. I'm But what I'm saying is does it doesn't commit the same damage because when you got sharing still like you know every you know he's he's still has a personal care rass. I mean that's really on the individual, you know what I'm saying. I mean, if you're gonna lose sleeping night over losing the battle, that's on you. You know, that's on you because I mean, um, because you're supposed to

get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, every day everything is better than losing your life. Yeah. So now let me tell you something King Well, I mean honestly, yes, I can say if if if, if you're in it for the culture, right, you know what I'm saying. You're battling him, see it, hm, and you want to be the best battle to see. If you lose a battle, then don't take it as a loss. Take it as a lesson, and then it's not a loss. There's a lesson.

You know what I'm saying. Figure out what you did wrong like a boxer, you know, because I mean I remember people asking me about the whole jay Z Nas thing speaking to King and who are you going with that? I said, no way, And I was wrong, no way about who were what? I thought that there was no way that nas could could couldn't win that. I thought there was no for the simple fact that you funked up game. I'm saying, I think the moment it makes no because here's here's the thing. Yeah, I need to

hear your theory. I knew the jay Z was more sardcasting, and when I met Naws, I didn't really see no sense of humor, you know what I'm saying. It was the first time you met nas Um tell me John Blade Studio, No ump, John Blade Video, No no, No,

Unique Studio, Unique Studio, Seventh Street Studio. Yeah, yeah, okay, well the first time I met you, Oh yeah, you get to that later, come on, let's yeah, it was on that on Unique Studios, Unique Studio, and we was chopping it up, and I mean, I didn't see a sense of humor and him, you know what I'm saying. But if you'd have met his brother Jungle, you were new that's the funniest thing in the world. Well, see

you you you more inside? So I just said. So it's like I'm sitting there like knowing jay z sense of humor. I'm like, you know someone that you know this, don't have fun, don't play around because see, in my mind, I guess I was I was seeing another battle playing out. Okay, so someone else had a sense of humorous Because look, when people they hear me like on on an Eminem record, right, this is the first time I'm ever gonna say this.

This is the I did two or three interviews where people asked me you even call you even called me, get you a foul guy? Gets that's gay? The answers gay. So look, so when I heard Eminem uh against jay Z, I've never looked at it like m destroyed. I just did because I actually kind of related to jay Z's versus more than I did Eminem. And that's not I love him in it. It's just I don't even knowing

the Biblical because it was it's really residuals. I don't know that, right, but I know like awkward and boxed lefty in the door, like I know that, right, So people think that I'm crazy when I say that. I look at that record as if it's a great record, right you even know or that Jay you're talking about, I don't think. I don't feel like Jay got body right. But on either and to take over NAS on one Man one if you get here, just take over to ether now super ugly. I don't even want to count

that because it was an emotional record. You can tell like Jay is one of our best mcs. We can't even we shouldn't even judge him, we shouldn't even rate him or for that, let's just do with those two things. Nas definitely one and James my man Nas my man. But now I think yeah, but because of what you said, it's because of I felt like he took it too serious, like you feel like a battle front? Who take it?

I feel like Jay took it too serious like no, no, I mean no, you you could be right, because I don't think that JA expected what NAS did on either. Do you think that Jay underperformed or NAS overperformed? So when you thought to what you thought in terms of humor and all that stuff that Jay z bodied gnaws on Takeover, It's just that the response that NAS had on Ether. I didn't see coming in a million years.

I ain't gonna lie to you. And he took a long time to remember game he didn't just a small now, y'all days a personally do a record. You gotta do it next week he took. He took a little top. I don't even remember, like the window looks like it was a big Yeah, it was, yeah killed I'm a queens. Oh god, damn it. I mean he killed Ether. I never like, would have never expected that from Naws. Like years later I had remember, I had a conversation with Nas and that was the first time I really saw

like his sense of humor. Oh no, now it's a funny naer. Yeah, all of earning niggas from Vernon, it's niggas is funny niggas. I but I'm saying, when I first met I'm studio, it's quiet, yeah, quiet, like he was really sitting there talking through me and taking it in. But no, of course you would let you came. Of course, nobody want to be funny in front of you. Can't come on, can't come on. Listen in the line. When when people meet you, they hug you, and I mean

they get your five But in the mind. Even if they don't do it, they're going like this, it's facts. They're going back this man. Let me tell you something, Man, you really laid it out for us to play it out. You was the guy in front of you know, Masses finging Pop mcdonna. You know again figure pop. If your yo, you got, you had, you had, you had, you know

these these tremendous records you toward. You did everything. And the thing about Drink Chance, we don't want you to ever feel like your life is over or your life has ever been misplaced. He had drink Chance. We want to pick up these other young boys. They got these other outlets where they can go on and they could play their music. And that's not where the hell drink

Champs and drink Champs. We want to salute all legends that and no no on, yo, my dude, listen, I got thick eyebrows right now because I was cutting my eyebrows. I was I had three cuts in my eyebrows trying to wild out. You know that, jay Z Larry, you know I see the same thing happened to Kame. Three cuts in your yo, Yo, Look nook my studs already think any way. But I was like, I was a young nigga, like eleven years old and I cut my three Do you know how influential you was whatever you did.

But that's just the reason why Jay has to always salute you, because he actually like, whatever you did, you came out of the road. We wanted a road. You had a four finger ring, We wanted the ring. You had a rope chain, We wanted a rope change. I was just being wanted sent honest, that's love. I appreciate. I appreciate that. Like you you was. You was the what's that ship? Called that trading setter? Whatever you did, we followed like, how did That's what? That's what you?

You know? You you you have to be man, You have to be that. You know what I'm saying. You have to create, you know, your own lane. You have to create that. Otherwise, you know, you just another piece on the table. Man. You have to create your own lane. What makes you? You need you know? And I mean, don't get it funked up big on me. I mean I think that you are a very unique artist yourself, man, because it's like, no, no cares about you today. But I'm ann switch to subject cause I see you trying

to switch. I'm good at my game. Let me tell you something, King. One of the things that I want to do right, and it's with all this transitioning of how the coaches moving. What I thought of was, you know, I watched the n w A movie. I watched all these other people movie right now. It's in the two Things One we gotta tell the Big Daddy King started what's it called buyout biopick. We gotta get a big Daddy King biopick. And not only that, but this is also idea that I had. I wanted to do the

Clarence thirteen X movie. And as I'm looking at you, I think you would play the Fall? Now? Could you? Could you? Could you think you can pull off playing the Fall of Clarence thirteen X and more? I mean why not? I don't see the why not neither? Why not? I don't I don't see or not. I only see Yes? Would that be your ultimate role as an actor? I mean, hey, brother, you call your people, I call mine. Let's got that? Is that a movie that needs to be necessary because

you grew up? You know, um father Ciship. I think that I think that it would be beautiful I mean, to be honest with you, the state of the world today, anything that has a positive view, you know what I'm saying, Anything that would be uplifting to black people in this time, you know what I'm saying. And I have to say

black people, you know what I'm saying. I have to you know, be that specific because I mean, you know, this is an error where not only you know, are we going through so much with police brutality and you know, um, you know, just that whole lack of masculinity, you know. I mean not only that, it's the type of thing where we're going against each other just to be famous on social media. You know what I'm saying. It's the

type of thing we're right now. We we we were in a situation where you know, one black people go against another just to be able to say, you know, just just something important or just be recognized on social media, you know. And I mean it's like, you know, it's it's it's just sad because it's it's not unified, it's not uplift. But you remember your days like they were structure like five percent, people like I remember, like people like you know, coming out like and if they knew

my mother. The guards would check me. The guards will be like, yo, you don't have that, no more like if you don't even have that, I don't even have that in the industry. Meaning, but that's deeper than your days. You know what I'm saying that you go back to the seventies. You know what, it's go back to the seventies with black panthers and so on. You know, I mean, so's it's not like it was just you know, a thing, you know with the five percent. It's this is something

that's that's that's deep. That went on a matter of fact, even prior to that, you know what I'm saying, like like, you know, I don't know if you know, you know, you know, you got your grandparents are still with us. But I mean they don't tell you. You know. It's like, yeah, you know, they see a child over here fucking up a village, a village, you know, you know, ain't you such boy? What you doing? They whooped gas and they're

gonna tell your parents. But but but but you know, that's when I see what's happening in the rap game. In the rap game, Oh you you guys helped us and we it's our false it's my generations for we didn't give a funk about helping the next guys. And I'm not saying me in particular because generation everybody who who I could help? Nah? Okay, yeah, because you be be careful how you choose your words, because um nah, I don't think that this really started until the New Millennium.

I don't think this started with your ever. I think this started with the New Millennium. You know what. That's when this ship started to New Millennium when they didn't they respect the elders. You're saying, well, I think what basically happened is like you know, when we end to into this new century. Um, it wasn't a type of thing where cats that you know used to promote Stephanie Mills in the gap band all them or in control

of rap where they confused. I don't know what the hell they're doing now we actually have people in control of rap that group. They understand it probably was a rapper himself that didn't make it. You know what I'm saying. They meant that someone that said I don't like grimy, I don't like nothing. Why did I nigger get a deal?

I'm gonna put some real artists, I know on and you see they have this here mentality, you know what I'm saying, And it's like, you know what what started happening, And it's like, you know, people bringing in their camp, their people, their friends may get them stars regardless of skills exactly. So now therefore skills is going out the window. And then from um label standpoint, you know the stuff

that we all went through. Hey, well you know um my ship on double platform, we need to discuss these contracts. They start changing that, creating these one off deals or whatever, you know, and all this and stuff with artists and three six deals. Well that came later, you know what I'm saying, after the sales started to you know, um, you know, go to key and the sales started to decrease in yeah, okay, yeah, we're gonna need a little bit of your show money. We're gonna need a little

bit of merchant, you know. And you know it's like, you know, here we are in a whole different state of hip hop where you know, these artists are getting terrib rble deals. But you know it's like what she was asking earlier about the older generation, It's like, yeah, Mel might have been Funky and whatever happened with Moe and l. But I tell you this, Mel did sit and tell me about his career. Mel did sit and tell me the ends and out of his business when

I got into it. When I wrote the Lucy's rap song, um Man, Rick James sat down with me and gave me a whole spill on the industry James. Rick James sat and gave me a whole spill. And I came to this meeting on some arrogant ship, on some old you know fun Rick, you said, Rick, not because it was with my man. He was always bragging me about you know. You know how while it was a regular and exactly you know, I was in I'll do my thing thing, you know, so I was like, you know,

I get asked. You know, fun Rick was stiff this time. I didn't see him do it, but I didn't see coke. It was Okay, that's another I'll tell you. I'll get I'll get to that as soon as I finished, because that's a hell of a story. But anyway, I mean, it's like Vick James was giving me game. I mean, there's so many Baby White giving me games. There were so many artists that was giving me game. You see what I'm saying, Jelil from Houdini, giving me serious game.

You know what I'm saying. And I mean, like, this is the type of stuff I tried to do with jay Z. Like I told you earlier about Mr C calling me um with Big on the line, I'm telling Big how I would handle this situation, what I think he should do. You know what I'm saying. And this is the new generation. You know what I'm saying. Did you ever disappoint you at some point? Like you know you guys connected, he was there for him. I can't

be honest with you. I can't really say that because it's like I've always known Jay the way he is. I know the type the person he is, So there's no way he can disappoint me, you know, because I mean I know, I know him. I know, Yeah, I know what to expect from Jay, and I'm happy for him and I wish him continue success, you know, um. But I mean yeah, it's like, you know, and I don't know what um Uh, jay Z and Tupac and these cats and Biggie what they did for any other

upcoming generation. But I mean, you know, it's like you know um. I mean, I mean I've heard stories about with Jay and Kanye, Dame Dash and Kanye whatever you know I call and with ludicrous you know, and eminem always you know shouts you know, out at the sense as myself, Rock cam Um several others. So I mean, it's like it was passed on. But then you know, there came a point where Day kept a support. There was a separation not created through the artists, created through

the industry of course, you know what I'm saying. Through the later expiration Days will put on. Why why do you think it's like that in a hip hoply like to me, to me, I want to prove like the point that like I could have won the championship, I could have been a Shaquille on Nil like you know, I've I've been platinum of you know, had gold albums and now I want to turn it to media. So I would have shown people that, you know, you could be cool growing old. I'm forty years old, just turned

forty years old. Why is it that people want to give hip hop and aspiration day why? Well, I think one of the reasons. I think one of the reasons is that if the youth of today connect with your generation, because you have to me, you know, so if you didn't really have to say of course. But if they connect with you, then comes you schooling them on what real hip hop is and might make them want to think for themselves, because right now they're not thinking for

themselves because they'd be a brainwash. What they're hearing on the radio. Yeah, well not just they're they're told this is what we need, we need you to do this. We need to just sound like we need social media radio. Yeah, you know, k you know what about you know what I'm talking about? No, I mean no, no, for real, that's that's what they tell you. No, listen, we're looking for something more like a you know, can you do this?

All right? Well, going down the bridles on us, get your address and come on the funk with me, and we were gonna make this his song happen for you. And that's what's happening. It's a dude guy right now. You can see the guy his a wedding dre that song. Oh yeah, he's from Florida too, He's that's what I heard. That's what I heard. God bless your negs in Florida. Hold on, hold all right, let's take one break. I gotta take one more Pistons's follow you on bread and

we spoking smoke. Gets me here real quick, cause I know you gotta asked. All right, cool, get to me in real quick. Cane over there. Okay, can you ain't drink the whole bottom by yourself? He's showing up. I'm definitely gonna take a glass. I thought you said we was drinking drinking? Is he going to here? Gonna what taver with us afterwards? What? I'm sure you're good. You got a flight? Okay, I got an early flight too. It's okay, you've been doing it. Yeah, he just has

to fly this time of year. You just gonna fly for the reason I used to hit your moms back. Yeah, get your mouths up, were calling. I'm about seventeen ship segments. Shot myself. Man, if you got great so Vegas, then back and then l A and back into up. I'm plating them one kid again. My team sucks now, American Airlines suck them, man, That's what I'm That's what I'm going too. But seventeen segments to make executive platform. I'm planning just regular platform. I'm planning the pro but I'm

trying to get that exactly. How do you feel about what's going on with him right now? Where you separated the ship and people out one they said, don't fly, But I thought Tyler Perry American what I thought he saw it? I thought he had something to do with that. Yeah, one more shot, because you know we're here with came man and let me just tell you something, man, can you are very much appreciated. Absolutely, you are very much.

When we started this program, we we just wanted to We figured, you know, these guys they come out, they have one hit Wonders and they you know, they have a luxtrious two or three years, and we want to respect them too. We don't we don't have nothing against them, but we want to respect the aur legends who got you know, ten fifty years in his career. Because we noticed that every other genre in music, when you have

that longevity, you're saluted. But in hip hop you have that longevity and they call you old or they call you wash stuff, though they call you man. I want to stop using the world relevant because the world relevant is only relevant to people who use that world relevancee relevant to see relevant. You know what I'm saying you got big Daddy Kane fans who will probably never listen to these new guys, right, and then vice versa, it doesn't mean it doesn't take away from you to take

away from them. The thing is, if you had this career where you lived over ten years and twelve and thirteen years and here, this is where we want to salute you. This is where we want to pick our people up, from you to Chuck D the care arrest one to to a d MX, to uh whoever. We want to sit here and we want to let our legends know that you have a place in hip hop and you will forever be remembered for what you did for hip and you are hip hop and that's what

this is about. We are honored that these people will come and listen to us, But even if the people ain't come and listen to us, we'll be honored to do this and sit before listen. I'm glad to be a part of it. Man, sit before that. Look, I'm gonna pop that last battle. Look. Look, look we got to have a drink with me. I have a drink with you. I already separated my cops. Look that's my rare wine cup. Right there. I'm gonna have a drink. I'm gonna do one more shot. They're don't get about it.

Oh I look at that can. Okay, I ain't gonna lock. Oh look but can? Did you did you have a glass of rose in two thousand? In seventeen? This is the new ship. This is the kids drinking. Ok you got I have a drink with you. You have a drink with me, and we got we got a gift for you from eight and nine. Thank you? He got mad? Guess he got mad? Guess? Yeah, I want, I want, I want to turn you onto something else to man okay, like like like you you enter the champagne. No, I'm

in a champagne. Yea, there's a champagne called Billa card someone. Okay, I've devin never heard of that. You're very rich, cam Sorry continue that's it sounded rich? Better call sound harm what I have? Mom? Listen to say it again? Thing the loo across someone you listen, no real talk. You need to try that to call some more. Um no, because I mean like you have missed with like the wove a click yeah yeah, like and how it don't really have that? You know that that that master see

no spell. Look you used to finish. I learned this in parish ship. Look at that? Can't I can't look at that? And you know what you gotta do. You gotta twist. So come on, give me, give me a cane, cup, Give me a cup. I'm gonna take one of yours. You gotta take. You gotta take something. This is what the kids look, didn't you. Yep, that's that's that's make sure that's not something that was water. That's what we wanted first. First, you gotta look if you want, you

gotta need to cool. Alright, cool, good cane. The cane chooses cup, said King. God, damn, I look at that, King, Look at look how pouring at it. Okay, okay, okay, you're okay. Now you told you to drink. I boared

you and I'm gonna drink you poured me. This is too big, Daddy, King, for all your accolades, for everything you did for hip hop, for everything you contributed to hip hop, for every time you had a bad day in hip hop, for every time you had a good day in hip hop, every time you had a medium day in hip hop, We want you to know that you will always be welcome and drink chats. Any time you want to introduce anything that you're doing in life,

we are here for you. Me and DJA. We got a couple a couple of questions before we get out of here because my brother, Weird Thoughts reminded me of something. Weird Thoughts one of my favorite tracks that you were part of collectively, Burne Hollywood Burn Chuck d Ice. Qu Uh huh? How did this come about? What was? Just give me? Huck had a concept, he said, what it was,

That's what I'd be down. I said, yeah, and we made it, made it happen, and I mean, you know, it was like he had a visual because I mean it was like, even though he had already explained to me what it was about, when it was time to do it, he explained again and win the deep detail and using references and all that year. You know, I don't know if you know Chuck, but you know Chuck Chuck Chuck Yell, you know, so you know, he long winded, you know, and he went to deep, deep, deep, deep

deep details. But I mean it was the type of thing was like, bro, I'm happy to be on the song, but that's the first time you had worked with Q. Yeah. Yeah, like I admit Cube, you know Cube was always cool, you know, but working together. Yeah. So and in the way, one more, Paul, where you at ball drinking sports? He had? He has another question. I didn't have a question as as a fan. How was it when he did one time a time at the man took off his hat, keep your hat on, Keep your hat on? When when

you did the lean on me? Because that was on with Morgan Freeman and Robert Gallus passed the way a couple of days ago. You meet him like, how did how did you get on the song? How did you get the actual soundtrack? We want the song because of Bennie Medina. Um, you know, I guess let me just throw out Benny. The name came up a couple of times on this podcast. I just want to throw it out there. Bennie Medina's name came up with Mariah Carey

and Jay Long. Continue Latino. He's talking about Big Nicks right now. Sorry, yeah, you know Bennie mcginna. You know he was, um, you know, because Kine so smooth, he said, like the owner Bodega. We gotta relax. He's a big I'm sorry. Yeah, Well, I mean, this is when he was at Warner Brothers and um, you know, he was

responsible for The Holy and on the soundtrack. And it was so funny because it was like, you know, uh, he told me about the song, and I had a copy of the film and I did watch the film, but didn't write the song because I was going through some other you know, some some other you know, you know, contract exputes, you know, um with Coach Chilling and and so I just was like, you know, you know, after song, I ain't. But then Bennie he was like asked me. I'm like, yeah, I'm on it. I'm on I'm on it.

Then one day Bennie hit me and was like, Yo, how are we coming with the song? And I'm like yeah, we were good, and he said, you know, can we do it today? UM like, um, well I try And he said, okay, we'll it. I'm in New York, you can you can I send a car to pick you up and bring you the Molley House and oh you know, so I was like, oh, yeah, maybe it happen. Yeah, you go, Like I said, I saw the movie, but

I didn't write this song. So in the time that he made the call for the car and for the Mega to my crib and Queens and for me to get the Queens up to Spring Valley. That's the time I used to actually right lean on me. Yeah, don't you. Actually another soundtrack that for me is instrumental is the Juice soundtrack that you're not for respective And that's another funny story because I mean Hank Shockley was yeah, bumps, Yeah,

Ain't Shockley wanted me to do this song. But it was like, at that point in time, I think I was really focusing on my film career, trying to get that jump started. So my mind was really there, you know, and he was driving me crazy about the song, and he was like, Yo, can you do it when you get back to New York. When I say that, I mean like he meant that day I got back to YO, and I mean, you know, I arrived in New York Leading airport, come to my crib. Hank Shocking parked in

my drive way, sleep sleep waiting for me. How demand, So you know, we kind of come to the studio that night and you know, right, the joint put together, but you know we made that happen incredible to be honest, As I'm drinking his word wine, I immediately want to eat Pussy. I know you're a different makes me want like I've never had alcohol. JAS say that red one brings the best I knew. It made me want to listen to oldest Redden. But if Pussy's your choice, definitely,

it's just like it's got weird for me. Did you finish my drink? I want to know what it makes you feel like? No, not listen, No, no, no, I've done that. I mean, yeah, yeah, but so so the red wine. Now, what's this? This is a this this Orange Shift Orange Swift machete. It's it's a cab blend. It's there. I like the way. I'm not a hundred per cent sure. I think it's from correct. I believe it's cab and Um Sara. I think it's cabin Sara Blake. I don't know. I believe it's a cab Kevin and Sara.

But you know, uh, Rang Swift. They make some great wines. They have the machete, they have the abstract Palermo Italy. Okay, well that's that's that's the only cabinet that Orange Swift made. All the rest of the cat blends. They make some great wines and if you go to um their their spot in Napa, it's like stuff. You know, it's like you when you and it's not like the other spot. They it's like the club. They got music blasting and you know, chicks in their drunk the ship not coppers

in Nappa alright, but it's not. Yeah, it's with you know, because their things on the strip, Okay, right on the strip and yeah yeah, I mean Orange Swift has has a great selection. I've never seen this. This is machete and they have the bottom. Yeah, but I mean it's they have a bump. It's all the same one. But they use different photos. There's a lot of different photos

of different different positions. Let's make noise for king. Get the classes were there ordered nineteen forty two to kill correct, but we have never haked somebody or the red wine. And that's that's very classy that you can't. I mean, I'm just made. How did you become a classy Brooklyn nigger? I was born and I mean no, let me, I'm gonna tell you real study. I mean growing up, you know, I mean watching my pops and keeping my my pops is from a small town called Bowman, in South Carolina.

But I mean, you know, you know from his younger you know age he grew up in New York, and I mean it's like, yo, when I was a kid in the seventies, I see this dude like line his shoes up snakeskin gate or line him up like he might line about six pairs of shoes and then put on a suit and then just go stand in front of each pair suit. It's moving down, just just dancing his way down in front of each pier to see

which which pier mattered the suit. Like this type of ship I just see him do as a child, you know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean I've seen my pops go out in a two piece suit to drive off and had a flat tire and he had to change the tire and he changed it in the suit and got grease on the suit, and you know he stood then stared at the tire like a came upstairs, took a shower, and threw on a three piece suit like just to shoulder to tire like motherfucker. I you

know I got more pieces. What I'm saying, I can put more ship on this. You ain't stop nothing, you know, yeah, and when I'm sing went back out south the three piece and stood in front of that same tire and stared out of the kid for about another two minutes and then got in the car and jove like. So it's like this type of stuff. It's like when I got in the hip hop um, you know, like I said, the Battle rapping, But once I heard Kas, I was like, oh,

let dude, Grammars and cast amazing. So lyrically I wanted to be Cash, but image wise, I wanted to be my pops because I was just I just thought he was just that that dude. You know. So who's your favorite rapper from that era? If you if you could say there was one Cash? I mean when you mean from me growing up as a kid? Yea Cash? Yeah. I knew he was gonna say that. So who's your favorite rapper from from from the Middle era? Uh? You mean like Eli, No, No after after you guys like

the Naso the Night, the Nights. Oh man, It's like I would I'd have to say it this way. I have to say that lyrically. Lyrically, my favorite was nas but my favorite MC was Biggie. It's like I like big Um because I just thought it was big. Thing was amazing, But lyrically I would have to go with

Nash because you understand, it's like in my era. You know, I'm I come from where you know they put no no, no no no, like you know where you're coming to club and you fucking everything before well both for y'all, y'all sucking everything before include Hills because of cocaine before any include you because you because you caramels, so you can choose your side. You decide you life skin. You're not going caramel my life camel. It's like you to

choose the side. You know it night skills popping the night dog skins popping them. You know, I'll come from ever where you know. You know y'all y'all getting actually just because y'all light skin. And it was like you know where your Westley's life stop that ship again when it was like me, but you see it was it was something like again like how he was talking about the flat top. It's something I had to talk about, something had to brand. I had to brand being dog skin.

You what I'm saying, browner than Bobby, So want you to be my tender vhone. I only keep on, you know, saying dark skin and ship to make dark skins sex. Was that I go to work librics right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get the job done. I had to keep you know, saying dark skin ship you know what that was when Niggas was like Kane is gone but he was. She was in there with just yeah, yeah, I'm not man like, I'm a young think. I'm like, no, that that's for you.

You were making a lot of money back there at that point. You got the job done. Absolutely, I mean absolutely absolutely, it was. It was fun like because do you think because I feel like you was like the first person to have like commercial success where people no no for you though llo and who didn'y Okay, okay, I understand that, but both of those Okay, l L was like skinned for people purposes and then Hudini was a group. So you was like the first dark skin

Brooklyn guy. Yeah, okay, look at that. Yeah, that looked at like the king of hip hop and it's just like, yeah, I mean not to see that. She, like I said, that was something that I had to create, the whole dog skin thing. So now going back to Biggie, he took it to the next level. And see that's what this thing is all. You know what I'm saying, It's

all about you know what I'm saying. What you know? No, no, no, it's like you know, like you know, okay, you learn this from here, okay, and then you take it to the next level. You learn from your predecessors and you take it to the next level because like you know, I mean, yeah, I made this dark skinned thing sexy.

But my man Big said, however, yeah blacks, Ever, however I stay because it was like, yo, I lotch You know, I was in Birmingham, Alabama at a club and seeing this crispy, fat black dude at the bar, chilling with a cougie sweater on fasach shaped shades and to even just put the stamp on, the food stamp on he at the board doing the Biggie bop. You know, I'm just and chicks is digging him. So it was like, be made fat dude sex symbols the fat dude the same. Yeah,

but Big perfective. First you took it to the next level. And yeah and pun that's another dude that was But you know, all that time you talk, that's my first time meeting him. You know. I was talking to Chris about that because no rivers my sons. I was telling him like, um that uh. When I when I met him, like he was just being funny. He was like, oh ship man, yo, big daddy, can't you bring the kids?

That ship had me crying and left because it was like and honest, it was it was video John Blade video because it was like I've always been a pun fact. When I first heard him, I was like, finally, finally, somebody give him my man g wrap his props, you know, because I could I could hear the g rapp and then to see his videos and see that, like, yo, I don't want my ship just not like it was entertained and it was fun. I'm like, oh, he's gone, he's gone punk. When I saw like when I saw videos,

I'm like, oh he's gone. Forget him. I'm like, yeah, he's he's he's mad. It goes back to the humor thing you were saying. But he was, yeah, Beach, You're

the first thing I ever met you. When I walked up and I'm I'm such a super fan and I woke up to King and Kane says to me, you know, I didn't like you, sir, thinking said to me, I'll never get it, said You'll didn't like you until in Rum, but I didn't wait for the until so I was like, damn, this is my from okay, and then you said, you know the album because mind you world Board came out and he said, I didn't understand you in the world report.

But then and then and then n R E album came out and he was like, then I went back and I revisited everything, and now I understand who you are. But then you know what my reaction was because I was just like, so offend because you're like, mom, you're like my favorite rapper. So I'm like, and t J Swan is the man and the Juice School. You don't remember telling you that, you know? He was like this think is good exact word. He was like, he's good, he's good. You know you remember t J Swan? Oh ya,

what happened to t J Swan? No, no, no, we're not. We're not leaving this conversation. I can. First of all, let me pay something to m. It's amazing that you remember that, but I'm not gonna understand what I'm saying. I knew you, you know, because it's like this, yere, you understand. It's like with me because of the wh my ears a trained, I'm always listening like lyrically first, and it's like when when when I'm I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yo, this dude got some ship with him.

And then I'm watching the way people respond to you, and I'm like and it's like and I'm I'm like, yo, this is dope. This is dope, because you see, you gotta understand. It's like the element that you created was something that was so fucking needed. A special education resource froom, nondert, No, we understand me. We have special education special but we have resource frooms. Understand me. What you did was something that was so fucking needed because it's like this here,

how tough can you be? How tough can you be? At some point? If you that goddamn tough, then you shouldn't be listening to music. Music is relaxing, Music is fun, and you made it with the most thugged out tough nigga could enjoy yourself. And look, that's the reason why when I did my history right, one of my favorite artists was bis Monkey, not lyrics wise, not music content, but as far as having fun like this said, what are he said, He'll he'll stick a nose up his nose.

Let's stick us fingure up his nose and put it on the basketball and the kid like that you wrote that letter. That's when that's when you know, I ain't know where I'm gonna deal with that. So when I'm righting him, I'll make sure I mentioned my asses everybody know.

But that's the craziest thing was I had realten did my research, and I was like, I said, you know what, nobody has fun like bis Mark anymore like in this, in this, in this, in this day and time, and nobody don't have fun like I'm probably the only MC that inventeds what Bismarck represented like he just had fun and anybody laughed at him and they tried to make fun of him. And I don't give a funk if you laugh at me and try to make fun of me.

I'm representing the hip hop And then but you you you you you you you you really bridge the gap and you you did something special. Thank you, I mean, because it's it's it's it's like, yo, you're having fun, You're got a dance track, you're sitting there. What what what? What? What? What the chicken? What? What? What? What? But but you and you're spitting gangster stuff. But it's it's in a party type flow. Goddamn like you you you you were

gating a whole new lane. You're making the toughest making whatever you're taking it right now, change the subject before everybody stop capting. Wonder what I'm doing? Ok right there, God, it's okay. Have you ever looked at rap and you you was disappointed at one point? Like like, I mean, maybe it's the error right now or where because at the end of the day came. We can't take it away from the fact that you're you're you're, if not

the king, you're one of the kings. So there's a lot of people who can't have opinions or nowadays hip hop or middle hip hop or or later hip hop, but you're, fortunately it's one of them people that can have an opinion on any version of hip hop. Have you ever looked at hip hop? Was just like damn was ashamed at one point? Yeah? What what point was that? Um?

Right now? Right about what I mean, It's like, let me just say this, I think that there are so many talented artists out there right now, um J Cole, Logic, Logic, Kendrickson, Um Rhapsody, Rhapsity Car. There's so many um um m, mom. Really know she's not news. I mean, you know, she's still shining. But I mean, as far as the new generation, there's so many out there's there's there's a lot out here. What's this calm calm, John Connor, No West what's a

little Joey badass west Side Gun? But you see, here's my thing. There's a lot of other artists that's out here that's shining. And I mean, and I wish them continue to success. Right. I don't wanna hear that um little Yati or little what's it a little? I don't want to hear they broke and you know they fucked up. I want to, you know, know that they're safe and they still making money. I mean, I ain't gonna lie

to you. There was a time, you know, the late nineties, you know, thanks to motherfucker's like you, that ship got sucked up for me, you know what. I'm sadcuse was shining. So you fell out some hard times, yeah, but you know it came back around and everything is good. And you know, if that came knowledge of you know, you don't know where you want to put your money and the right thing, you know what I'm saying. So it's

like with the young casts today. I want to know that they're going to shine and that, you know, even if they career don't last as long as you know, as mine or as yours or whoever, that they can still be, you know, make money and do something lucrative. You know, I don't want to hear the stories about them going bro or where they now he's you know, I don't want to hear it. I want to see them shine. So I wish there was that bridge where we could connect with them, you know, because I don't

want your spot light. Look, I love going into a supermarket and someone big day. He came right, well, I drew up off your music man, you said, hey, good to me. I love that ship. I wouldn't want you in the supermarket screen trying to now I can't get the shot I need to. I gotta leave now. I like the piece of similarity that I have. I enjoy it. So my life is good. I don't want your spot I don't want to make that return to the top. I mean, I'd love to make it, you know, another album.

You know that's something that they were. The people would appreciate, you know, I mean, that would be cool. But I don't need to be who I was in I did that and it was fun. I was ain't coming home to my family now beautiful, that's what I like. But what I did back then was amazing, and I'd love to tell you how I did it, give you the blueprint so you can do it and walk that walk. M I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. This is my message to the younger generation. Regardless of what any

mighty tell me. I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. I sit and chop it up with you. I'll tell you what's really good, how to be what you need to be, how to separate yourself from the bullshit and establish yourself as a start. You know what I'm saying. And you don't have to put me on nothing. You don't have to put me on one single track. You don't owe me nothing. I don't want nothing from you.

Was that I was value, wasn't Jake? Yeah? Yeah? He always old, dirty bastard, positive k shy him and everybody else. I fun wouldn't throughout my career. Real nigga king with King stands for again. Oh King, Nobody, nobody King agiatic, nobody tell you something better? Uh? Things you did? I remember running around? Uh uh. I was born in seventy seven, but I used to run with a dude name hit

Hard Talk hare Tad had eight nine. We had a at Jetta with the white convertible top and the white cream seats in there, and motherfucking the vanilla pine trees. You know, the ship, the air freshen Us, And that's all we would do. They just run around from a d eight eight ninety. Let's just run around. Listen to

your music. And the fact that I could come here with you tonight and honor you and salute you and tell you face to face, man and man that you're the man, your guy that helped raise probably ninety five of people in this building because they got people like Twin and they you see that stermoid twin. Look at the difference, can see that stermoid twin. That's another twin And you helped raise us. And there's nothing more that we want to do is to continue to port you.

And when you're going toll you hit me and here fin up, let us talk about it, let us blow it up, because there's there's there's a lack in our society. And when I say society, I mean hip hop, meaning that when a person gets of age, they want to treat them like milk and have an expiration day. And I gotta be the opposite of that. I gotta use my power like Eminem use his power recently to refute racists,

and he used his white privilege to fight racism. I gotta use my quote unquote privileges to still be relevant to show people why I'm relevant, because there's people before me, and there's people who pave the way that I respect, and then I'm that will always be about me. To me, I don't give a funk what I do. I could never be Big Dad he can. I don't give a funk what I do. I could never be slicked right.

I don't give a funk what I do. Can never be Rock Him, I could never be Ep m D. You guys are what help pave the way for me. So as long as I got this platform, you motherfucker's will always be above me in that saturation because we love you and we're gonna continue to motherfucking represent all legends right here right, I don't I don't give a funny about ratings for now. We don't give a fun This is what we me and this motherfucker right here shout out to do you see his bed is very destructive.

What the funk he wants to do over him just for men? Offer them just for men were trying to get just for men ads. He don't give a funk. He's just like, I'm just gonna be who I am. And that's you know what. I was just in d C. Last week for Donnie Simpson, for the fan of sight the Betes. Yeah, you gotta go to Eddie LeVert. Ruth told me that I need to get get me some just from that. You seventy who nine got to be

like by seven p fool of nobody. He should he should slick died and slick to the fry six of the side. I mean, I mean listen before you no, no, no, it's like that. Keep in mind, I mean who had a shop up here line and bed than Gerald LeVert had that Beijing. I think Joel LeVert was just Joe. Wasn't that old Joe? You know Joe was young when he passed. Hey, Joel, wasn't that old. I think that was just a bother nothing. Beijian didn't existed, Yeah, ain't

didn't existence. I feel like, I feel like I can't got a Bobby Brown story before you get out of here. You of body Brown story. Bobby Brown. I mean, I got a whole bunch of Bobby brother. You know, you know that we're here for Body Brown. Give us, give us the best one. Give us that was. I mean, nah, stop doing this, you don't do that. I'll give you my most mature Bobby Brown, stuffy I've never heard of. You haven't anybody Brown stories. Wendy Wendy Williams party and

we were performing. This was the year that Trey songs that just came out, and me and Bobby was performing for Wendy Williams party. And you know, Pridate, we're over in the v I p just kicking it and I had like a great mint and I had it, you know, sitting up on this thing behind me, and some dude came and sat up on the thing on my men and he just they're just chilling. But I didn't see him. You know, I'm you know doing what I do. I didn't even see him, Bobby saw him, and Bobby just snaps.

So I come over there like yo, you know, he like, YO, motherfuck up on your music. And dude, it's like, you know, I apologize, I'm not. I'm like, you know, no, no, no, no worries, no worries, don't want about it. And I moved it, push a little further back up in the corner and love not like that. And Bobby just like, Yo, the funk happened to you? Man, You're cool with that. You You're just gonna let that it bron like Bobby Man, we've grown man now. Man, you know I don't feel

like fighting in the club over men coat. You don't want to let it up, all right? Neg? Yeah? He was like I neg. You know, it's like I don't know how if you know, Bobby, if you're right with them, Bobby wild boy Man, wild boy, wild boys, give home me the beats, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Bobby's raiding at his hands over my coat, his coat, my coat,

Bobby reading his hands go. And it's like that's what I like, I always be because it's like we've always had so many good times and I am automot normally wild ass ridiculous times, but I mean this is just one of movies like, yeah, I ain't fighting this motherfucker. Let's be cool. Before we get about the hip cane. What's the one thing you missed about hip hop that you wish hip hop still just had? The one thing I missed about hip hop is variety. I really missed that.

I really miss you know, you know, just people just vibing out on so many different things for so many different reasons, you know, because I mean you had, you know, your audience that was fascinated by drugs and play a ship that want to rock their truck. Jury you had your audience that was fascinated by conscious stuff that wanted to rock another medallion's you know, and can't they close

and things of that nature. You know. I mean it's like you know, you you you know, you had generation that you know with the East Coast where I mean, you know, it was like, uh, you know how we we we looked at easy eating them dudes as we're looking dude like we didn't we didn't we didn't understand that. Yeah, But you know then when I went to l A and I'm at a gas station and a fucking and a red feline suit. And I get approached by a bunch of crips. They don't, you know, blow my goddamn

head off because I had a flat top. They didn't recognize me as big Dad. He came. One of the dudes said, Yo, he must be one of the New York you know, East Coast dancing niggas. That's what he said. He was one of the East Coast dancing niggers. Because I mean they had me. It was nothing I could do. I mean it was about ten twelve of them. They just swarmed on me out of at a gas station. I'm pumping gas. I'm out there and and like I'm like and like maybe like a rental bins balling pumping

gas and read feline sweatsuit and crypt territory. You know, they had me. There wasn't nothing I could do. You remember we was that we was ball Hills. I don't remember exactly. I mean, yeah, I mean wherever I was. Yeah, I was like, they had me, you know, if they wanted me, I was there for the taking. I mean red felie sweatsuit, red felies and yeah, but they pulled them.

They saw the flat top, and it was just like and they heard I guess I heard my slang like maybe you know, no, man, you know we're go ahead on me. He probably won them East Coach Dancing niggas, you know. But I mean it's like that's that's what That's what made it dope, because you know it's like you know, um, easy king te you know iced tea. Yeah, they all had you know, this story and hip hop. You know that was different than hours, man. I mean

it was like that variety, that variety, ain't there no more? Man, everybody, It's like you turned the ready on. It sounds like a twenty four hour song a marathon, not a marathon. It sounds like a twenty four hour song, like the same song last for twenty four hours at once. All. So, do you think that is the best best I'm drunk now the best era hip hop? Do you think is? Like? What is the best era hip hop? In your opinion? No? No, okay,

Like well he asked me earlier. I chose that late eighties as my favorite era favorite But you know, what do you think? I don't know, because you see that's it's like I got a lot of respect for the mid nineties as well, because Puffy did something amazing in the mid nineties. Because in the early nineties hip hop started to do this, it started transforming this whole gangster thing.

When the West Coast started doing the gangster the East Coast started following into and everything became so gangster right, And it was like, you know, you go to a party like I hate it. Like I started flying to Chicago going to stepping sets to have a good time because I couldn't enjoy myself in was the most dangerous place for the planet. No, but I mean I was.

I'm talking about you know, I mean probably even then too, but early nineties, I'll go to you go to a stepping set just to have a good time, because I go to the party in New York and it's like, you know, you look at using the crowd just no, no, nobody want to dance. Somebody's from screw phase and bought the head. I'm not I ain't come here for that.

Chicks and chicks dressed like dudes. You know, nobody wanted to put no sexy ship on, like you know, like fucking your ass with no no, no, no band dan on ye, you're not doing a party. Yeah, yeah, it did nothing. You know. It's like I didn't get it. You know what I'm saying. I didn't get it, but did hit this dude Puff. He takes like Biggie in the locks and he like, okay, I'll tell you what, good ahead, talk your gangster ship, but do it over

this disco pete for me. So now all the people that loved all the thug stuff, you get to hear it. People who love the party got something to dance it. So he figured out a way to make the two mesh where you can be as gangs as you want, but the people don't want to have a good time at a party can still party. I never thought of

it like that, you know. So I got a lot of respect for what Puff did for hip hop in the mid nineties is well, because he created some ship with It's like you got gangster rampers spitting their gangster ship over disco and club party beats. So it's like, you know, even though I may not be in a move to stick a nigger up or sell sell a bunch of keys or none of this stuff, that's beef rocking like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying, so I mean that I thought it was great too. Okay,

let's make some nest. Yeah, man, I can't thank you enough. We're coming out hanging out with the drink Champs and we're trying to take you to wood Tapping. Let's go. Come on, that would be amazing. If you think Daddy can't go to wood Tapping with the drink Champs. Yeah, um well drink never have so few old so much to so many. But yeah, respect man, everybody, and this motherfucker make some noise for big Daddy. I gotta interrupt for a second. Make sure everybody out there knows where

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