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You Guys, Season six, episode eight, Our life is not a movie, or maybe.
I love that, or maybe I may It was like her, this was like a Halloween episode.
It was October twenty seventh of two thousand and eight. I mean, oh, I feel like such a buzzkill bitch about this episode.
I'm really poorly written. Were adorable, We were adorable. We were so cute.
And I have to say one of my best friends was over here and we were watching the episode last night and she was like, oh, some of this dialogue is really sy. She goes, but sidebar. The real hot takeaway of this episode for me is Hillary's so hot.
I was like, agree, that's really nice. We were acting our asses off.
We were acting our asses off. Okay, friends at home this this episode. I'm just gonna read the synopsis and then we're going to get into it all right.
Lucas's novel receives.
Unexpected and surprising interest, as does Marvin from his new intern. That is such a weird transition. Even in the synopsis. Who wrote that Jamie grows enamored of Sam while she continues her rebellious facade, oh in his back and trying to win Brook over again. Peyton reconnects with family, and Nathan's basketball comeback gains momentum. I'm so thrilled to see that Peter Kowalski directed this episode, because this is what we all looked pretty, we looked great, this is why
we looked hot. Peter is just such a deer. You guys have heard us talk about him before. He was a camera operator on our show, and then he became the director of photography and then he started directing, and we.
Just love him so much.
But even Peter's beautiful eye could not make some of the things we had to say less tricky to get.
Out of our mouths. You know, I mean, Okay, so you and I we've had a big week. I was just out at.
Sundance and you have been promoting Junction with Mirane Greenberg, and there is something about working with or like seeing the movies from people that we love and who are very dear friends with and seeing them climb this mountain right and like get to the top of this thing
and nail it, and it's so fun to watch. And I don't know about your experience with Brian and Junction, but having been friends with Meghan for so many years, Megan Park, who is married to Tyler Hilton, Yeah, seeing her movie at Sundance, I can't wait for everyone to see my old ass because it is about young women, written by a young woman, directed by a young woman, dpeed by another young woman, and the representation and the lens is so warm and fuzzy and it felt so real.
And I was with the two little actresses in the movie afterwards, just like in tears for them. I'm so happy for them because it was Maddie Ziggler and Mazie Stella and these little girls who were like twenty twenty one years old just got to do a movie that was so real and so lovely. And I told him, like, bottle this, this isn't normal. Most young women have to do really corny shit and you just got to do
something so awesome, and I'm so excited for you. And I geeked out really hard on these girls because they by the way, they're huge One Tree Health fans.
Yes, thank you God to get them.
It was so cool to see young women accurately represented instead of this clunky, like like bullshit at the doorway in every scene where it's like, hey, I really like you, you know that? Yeah, but there was a yeah.
I kind of like doing this with you good because we're getting married. I was like, what is happening? And like and it and it really is a testament. I think to you guys that you could pull it off, but I know what you mean in the same in the same way you're talking about how these girls in
Megan's movie got to authentically be themselves. It's been so special to see the final product that Brian put together, and especially because in Injunction, he and I play spouses who are now divorced, but you know we're co parenting, and and and the just the way we get to talk to each other feels real, like things are strained and hard, and then there are these moments of levity still where you see how much these two people have loved each other and still love each other, but you
you see them in authentic conflict, and then you see these bursts of their life and their history, and I think, I think maybe it felt like such shorthand because you know, we've been friends for twenty years. Yeah, but it it was so nice to feel like I was watching in all of our scenes, a real partnership and not what we had to do on TV sometimes, which was like we're partners.
Da da da da dan da.
Like he didn't have to have like a song or a button moment.
I had that WB top hat and King like the frog.
Yeah, just make him dance across the screen every time we have to say something stupid.
There was so much repetitive stuff in this episode between the characters, like every character was talking like every other character because it was our Voldemort who wrote this and he was very self involved and he wanted every character to sound like him.
And I can see how miserable I am.
And it's really hard to watch at this point. But for those of you who hate it when I go dark, what I did like is all of the relationship pairings. I thought, Brooke and Owen, Haley and Nathan Lucas and Peyton millian Mouth. I thought that the relationship pairings and the chemistry between actors was really strong. Yes, and maybe that comes out more when the script is shit.
Yeah, look, I think sometimes you know, I won't say what episode, but I do remember an episode that we shot that was directed by a director who was first time on our show, who was so like objectively bad. Came in and we were like, did you do any prep? Like did you go on a tech scout? How are you here directing an episode of television? Like you don't know? Do you know what's in this script? Like it was
such a surreal experience. But I will never forget that because all of us as a cast and all of the crew was like, uh oh, we're really in trouble. Everybody stepped up and worked even harder and came up with solutions and like we put together like a strategic response team and yeah, it was full triage. It was like you know, red tag, Yellow Tag, And weirdly the episode wound up being great cause, like, I think everybody
hustled a little harder. And I wonder sometimes, like you're saying, if we have that in episodes like this where some of the writing's not that strong, or things are repetitive or sweet mouth and Gigi, you're having to do the same exact stuff they had to do last week. I mean, the worst, and yet people make it sweet and and you do see like a connection between them and it's not just base gross. You see a little nostalgia in it.
You see the way Nathan responds to them. Like everybody made it work even though some of what was on the page was just not that great. And I do think that's something that I really love about us, Like our little cohort had such good chemistry and we had so much fun together that when we were like, can you believe we have to say this dumb sh we figured out how to do it.
Y'all.
There was a dumb episode.
Can I say what I loved? Though?
I loved coming into this slam ball game as all the women were sort of collecting. I loved our little coven in the stands. Everybody was like spicy and there was sarcasm and stress and all of it was just so great. Aside from I don't know who told me that that one shoulder tank top was a good idea.
God, your boobs were cute. In that shirt. I mean, I think this.
Was the year that those like sticky bras got real like popular in our wardrobe department. Cause there's definitely like some extra help going on there in that one strap shirt.
And I was like, honestly, thank you, it's the opposite. I'm mad at it.
My purple dress at the end of the episode, I'm clearly wearing the sticky things, but I'm wearing them too low. Ga Mic is.
So down here.
Also, that dress looked like it was two sizes too big for you. I was like, how are we not putting you in clothes that fits? Six years into the show.
I promise my boobs don't hang that low.
And not that there's anything wrong with low boobs, but just those weren't mine. That killed me. It's never ideal season of the Sticky Boob? Is that the title of this episode? I loved you yelling at Owen. I love you Brook just coming in hot.
I also loved because everyone's in the dynamic in the beginning that then you see play out. You know, Millie's getting competitive with mouth, Brook's yelling at Owen, like everybody's doing their thing. I love Jamie as the catchup device. For Sam, they used to kiss, yeah, and then he's like, they used to kiss too, mouth and gig, but mouth kisses milicit now and Sam is just like, like this kid the truth telling about grown ups relationship drama from a five year old is like a chef's kiss thing
for me. Because Jackson's so cute, it breaks me.
Why did we make him wear that very distracting one fake tooth.
The flipper tooth. Why couldn't he just have a missing tooth that would have been so cute.
Yeah, there were elements here that were very distracting from me, and this is just production, you know, bitchery.
I don't like the fake tooth.
My vote is no because there, Yeah, I have a kid that's this age, and there's plenty of kids her age that are missing teeth. Some kids lose them earlier than others. Yeah. And then the other thing was anytime we have a scene in the stands, we are told as actors, so we're going to put in a whole bunch of noise so it sounds really, really noisy, So you guys have to yell over your lines, and then we'll put in enough sound later that it sounds natural.
So you're sitting there saying, look, I guess what happened on your phone call? And they did not bring up the background noise on this scene.
So fair. No, we were stranded in.
Our audio here.
It wasn't great. It was a lot of fake clapping. Whatever.
Man, we looked good, We looked good. We sold our lives. Yeah, matters, and the slam ball looked cool.
It did, and that's one of the things I will say. It was really fun to watch this episode with one of my girlfriends because she was like, what is this sport?
I want to play? This? Is this as fun as it looks?
I was like, yeah, we all turned into a bunch of kids, and we treated every lunch like recess. When the slam ball court was on stage seven, we were on the trampolines.
All the time. James looked and good.
Unbelievable, Like, you realize how good a basketball player he is, because there's something about the length of time that he gets to be in the air off a trampoline allows for that super extended slow motion and you're just like, hello, how did this boy not get poached to be a Nike athlete? When we were shooting our show, like some brand endorsement person failed. They failed because look at him.
There is someone out there that got fired from the two companies because they didn't think to bring in Nathan Scott.
I agree, yeah, I totally agree.
No, he's just beautiful and so it's like watching a swan. You know, he's really beautiful out there, and you know, it does look violent, it does look scary. I understand Haley's hesitation. I don't know how many episodes poor Joy has to WinCE and be worry.
About it back.
Yeah, yeah, serious business. She's been doing it for how many osodes.
I also like that they figured out a way to raise the stakes because of Nathan's injury, and Haley helps do that for the audience with her, you know, genuine worry about is her husband going to you know, be
paralyzed from this or not. And then at the same time you get a lot of comedic relief in it because of Owen and the way that Brooke is yelling at him and they're kind of play fighting and they're flirting, but they're fighting, and Owen is essentially acting like a bouncer for Nathan on the court.
As I did like that.
It made me giggle and I really, I will say I like that the dynamics in the same scene gave us steaks but also laughter.
Also Sam and Peyton being the same person obsessed.
Here's how I view.
Brooke and Peyton. It's like, you know, with magnets, they're the same thing, right, but there's different poles, and the same pole is not attracted to itself, but the two different poles are locked in for eternity. Brook and Peyton are those different poles of the same magnet. And so for Brooke to find another little baby, Peyton to grow and raise up. I love that she's getting to relive
our high school years through this little monster. You know, it's just messing everything up because you know, we also see Peyton drawn to other people that are like Brooke. There's there's just something about those different personalities. Every TV show has it. It's the trope of like the blonde and the brunette, the reality one and the shy one, you know. And I like that we have that iconic dynamic that we're now getting to see repeat with Sam Sam.
Well and I love like the perfection of the way the Yin and yang fit together in us. Yeah, everything that's perfect about our friendship drives me fucking crazy with Sam. And it's like, in all the ways that I've that, you know, me and Brooke have always loved Peyton's saltiness and humor and all the things. Sam's saltiness drives me nuts. Yeah, And brook and Peyton used to sneak out together and they'd be out all night together, and they broke all
the rules together. And now this tiny Peyton is sneaking out of my house and I want to wring her neck. And it's it's so great, That's exactly it.
It's like Peyton started through in like tweak club nights and thought it was awesome. It was like, yeah, let's stay out, we're gonna make out with bands whatever. Yeah, And now that this other little girl's doing the exact same thing, it is apocalyptic.
I mean what Sam does in Close Over Bros. With breaking in and the party and the red solo cups and the spray paint, it's literally our graduation party in the abandoned Oh my god, you're.
Right, it's the same thing.
But now that I'm in the parental role, Oh, it's unacceptable.
It's like you're only a couple of years older.
I know, it's even like we're the age we are now where everything business is off.
It's we're twenty two and she's fifteen.
Yeah.
I really liked that whole dynamic, And I don't want to like jump too far ahead, but I really thought it was special that Brooke had all this comedic stuff but also some pretty firm interactions with these young children. The way that Brooke reprimands Jamie in this episode for disappearing was incredibly important because he can't go wandering off with people, and the way the book reprimands and sets boundaries for Sam also super important. It was like, that's
the kind of parenting that we wanted for ourselves. That's what Brooke and Payne wanted. It's just someone to hold us accountable and pretend to care.
Yeah, don't leave.
Us for months at a time.
I think it's really interesting that you see Sam's response to, you know, being reprimanded, to immediately assume she's being kicked out.
Oh yeah, because that's what happened every other time.
Yeah.
But for Brooke to say no, like I'm said, a boundary for you, and this is your boundary in this home, it begins to give Sam what she's always been missing. And you know you hear this, you always hear kids need structure. Yeah, and like they really do, they really need it and they crave it.
My kids love structure. They don't give a shit if dad gets mad, but if mom gets mad, it means something because I don't like to they. Yeah, my son will tell people they're be like us, you're making such good grades right now, and he'll say it's because my mom cracked. Because I you know, they like a firm boundary. They like to know where they stand with you. And so for Sam to have this good for her. I wanted it instead. You know, we were scoundrels. We were feral,
as you call Sam. In this episode, it's a little feral cat. And I can totally understand why the little kid Jamie is in the rall with this older bad girl. Yeah.
Yeah, it's his first crush, but it's so early that it's it's like not even romantic yet. No, he's just he just he's googlely eyed when he looks at her, and it's so sweet.
Yeah that's the ticket.
But I also, I don't know, I like that while Brooke is trying to do all of this parenting because she's really the only person parenting in this episode. That is, when Owen's trying to sneak back in, He's not just trying to sneak back in when she's being like cute and young, sexy and going out. It's like when she's in the thick of responsibility with all the children at her house, He's like, we'll come over now, just to prove that I really meant it, sweet Owen.
Yeah.
I also there's there's elements and maybe it's because we are through Sam jumping back to who we were in high school. I love the elements that remind us of that. The throwback, you know, the sort of identical party to our graduation party. I love the throwback to middle school dynamics with Nathan coming to the door and then realizing that Owen's right on the other side of it. Like, it really is fun to get to pull back into those those memories with these characters.
James had fun this episode.
You could tell how much fun he was having because, yeah, in the beginning, he's playing slamball, and then he gets tangled up in the Owen Brooke shit, and then he gets tangled up in the mouth gig shit and then he's been super flirty with his wife.
Yeah.
I liked I love it. And he had a great scene with Lucas too, the brother scene where Nathan's making pancakes. Yes, and watch shiaah buff to play him in the movie.
I was so into everyone sort of jocking for who they want to play them in the film, and that scene in particular, I thought was so sweet because you're right, you can see what a good mood James is in every day, and I love that because they're having so much fun and it's such a light conversation that he's the one who looks at Lucas like, hey, big dummy, have you not considered the women you need to talk to?
Yeah? Like it's not about you, my guy.
Hello, Yeah, Yes, It's so funny when he's like well yeah, and and he's like and brooks the other fifty percent like do you remember your own life?
It is? It made me really really giggle out loud. Yeah.
He was great this episode. And I think seeing Nathan be funny is not what we're used to. We're so used to him being like oh umum e or that's.
What he's been. He's been e or and now he's contiguer man.
Dude's bouncing all over the place, being funny, little bit worked up.
I like it. Yeah, it's so great.
His advice to Owen is great, you know, I mean he's like, what did he say?
He talks about, like all the worst mistakes you've ever made, and he goes, yeah, what he goes of thee hundred dumbest mistakes you've ever made? One through ninety nine was blowing it with Brooke Davis and the well, what's the other one? The haircut? The drug addiction?
Yeah, what was wrong with his haircut? Nothing?
It was just such a troll and it was so funny. Poor Owen. They we're not going to let him get off the mat, are we? We're sure not. Wow.
I liked that he bounced everyone out of Brooks Store.
I liked it.
Do yeah, yelling at a bunch of fifteen year old Yes.
That's the thing.
Owen is essentially serving as everybody's bouncer and bodyguard.
In this episode.
He's bodyguarding Nathan, He's bouncing the kids out, and it is a really fun way to use just the natural physicality of someone like Joe. Joe is one of the biggest physically biggest human beings any of us knows. Yes, And when he gets to operate out of that place as a defender, and especially as a comedic defender of other people, it's so cool. It's like he's so used to having to play like a werewolf for a Viking or whatever because he's big, and it's nice to see him get to do comedy.
I love it be funny.
He was in Rampage with Jeffrey and we took Gus to that red carpet. I had just given birth to George, and so I was like a mess, and so jeff is having to do press and I'm standing there on the red carpet with Gus and Joe comes up and he is just a wall of a man and I'm like, Joe, buddy, like we hug, and Gus is looking like, how do you know this person? Gus's eyeball that had to put him back in his head. He was so just like,
what is that? I didn't know humans grew that size. Yeah, he's super imposing, but he and Nathan don't look dissimilar in size. Did we have James standing on something or is James that tall?
James isn't that tall?
I mean, James is pretty tall, isn't he like six to two? And and and Joe's like six ' five, Am I right?
I don't know.
They were lined up next to each other in some of the Slamball stuff where even I was confused. I'm like, I was there.
We had a lot of really tall boys on our show. We had the tallest cast on TV.
It's any other show there were you know, much much much shorter our boys, and people would comment on that all the time when we did press, They're like, this cast is big. Yeah, okay, And made doing like covered shots kind of hard because we would have to stand on boxes so you could see us over their shoulders.
Oh my god, apple boxes all the time, all the time.
So after Slamball, after Lucas announces that his book is going to get made into a movie.
That's thrilling, We've got I almost feel like, in a way, they leaned so hard into the comedy in this episode to misdirect the dramatic surprise about the movie at the end, because all the way through everybody's laughing, you know, And they even harken back in this episode They've got Haley, I'm just looking at my notes Hailey's reading the same article in b Davis Magazine that you read.
Yeah, what is that?
There's something going on where they're really trying to lean into the you know, the cutesy, like funny nature of these relationships lips and.
Were they trying to make be Davis Magazine a real thing? Is that why we keep popping it on the show?
I don't know.
I don't think they ever actually tried to launch it, but they wanted it to, basically on our show, be the placeholder for in Style. I remember those conversations like it should look like in Style magazine, it should have similar articles and whatnot. They wanted it to feel like
it was a really really big deal. But I caught that in this where I was like, oh, hey, are Nathan and Haley going to have like a moment because she says we split everything in the house like fifty to fifty, right, And then it sort of went away but it didn't do anything. Yeah, there were all these funny moments. Then it goes into you know, everyone at
close over Bros. And Jamie and Sam skateboarding around the store, and it's where Brooke Davis coins the term slunt because she says her mama's slut is not mean enough.
Dude.
You know there was a band in like the late nineties early two thousands in New York called Slunt.
Because now the chicks in It was a VJ.
Yeah, and I remember it being so scandalized and her name is Abby. I remember she's like the metal VJ. And I remember being so scandalized.
And I was like, oh my god, what's your vand's name? And she was like slut and You're like, oh, I'll be there. Wow. Great. It just made me giggle so much.
I was like, God, we should really bring that turn background and and everything's really upbeat.
Here's a deal.
That scene of you and Millie and Haley standing around scripted terribly, so much exposition. The writing is terrible, and you guys took it and you spun like rumper Stiltskin and the hay Tig Gold, Like just the readings that you guys gave, you gave it so much life because other it was just three girls standing in an unnatural circle making very expository remarks, and you guys crushed it. Bravo.
I mean, I will say I think we found I'm just texting you my notes because you don't have yours minor really piecemeal.
Sorry, thanks for doing my homework.
But yeah, I remember the feeling of that. I remember how funny some of it was. I remember when we decided to do like bad TV voice and you've got it goes from Haley to Milly to me being like, wow, yeah, what do you think of that? Brook g I wonder and me being like, I don't like you, Like, we found all these little devices.
Well you're making.
Fun of the dialogue by making a cheesy TV talk.
It's brilliant. It's brilliant.
Yeah, we found these devices to like really have a good time with each other. And in the midst of it, you've got these kids cutting through the you know, the the show on skateboards and it's Sam and it's Jamie and you know, Jamie says Sam's his favorite girl now and.
Everything is just light.
And I really think it helps with the mister act because you cut from the kids using clothes over bros As a skate park to Julian Baker walking up the steps of Lucas and Peyton's house and you have no idea that he's about to be a villain.
Okay, so I'm saying this for the benefit of our producers who are listening in. Are we booking Austin for the next episode because we have to.
So when Sophie and I were justin.
Wilmington and you know, with Evin and Denial and Sammy, I told them my Austin Nichols story, and I.
Feel like we should tell him to be here. He needs to be here for it, though he should know.
Yeah, it is hard to watch this season because it is kind of undoing a lot of the work that we have done over the course of watching this show. It was like we knew when we started Drama Queens that we were gonna have to talk about the shit, And for a long time watching the episodes was feeling really really healthy because it was like, oh, it's cathartic, We're getting everything out, and now it's really difficult for me to see outside of just like the toxic, uncomfortable.
Shit of that year.
So I do like to focus on making fun of Austin.
Matter like that, because oh I can't wait.
I posted a picture on Instagram of me with an owl out at Sundance, and that motherfucker, like thirty minutes later is sending me a picture of the owl that lives in his tree and calling it his lady friend, just like.
That's who he is.
He's the guy that like just takes pictures of owls in Yeah.
He's We've all we've all realized that in the ways that we thought so many of our sweet male co stars on this show were like the little brothers, we're gonna have to rear like he is and and we love him. And I mean that as a compliment, by the way, like, good God, some person's gonna say something snarky on the internet, like we're family, we love each other.
That's all.
My favorite memory of Austin is so he came in very much like Julian Baker to our show, right, and was.
Very like Cock of the walk I think those were his ray bands probably.
He had been on HBO's John from Cincinnati with Willie Garson, so.
That show was so good.
He had been doing it. Wasn't he Deadwood too? He'd been Yeah, big ship came into our show, and it was a little like, oh, okay, he this isn't someone from our bubble. But then when Jeffrey was doing The Walking Dead and I went to go visit the first year jeff was on The Walking Dead. I ran into a very different who was very like respectful and like, how are you doing, Jeffrey, very nice to see you, and like really reserved, and I was like, that's not the guy I know.
The guy I knows.
You know, I'm the big shit in the room, and so.
I I don't know.
I really have enjoyed knowing Austin all these years at this point because he's a wonderful actor. He's really faking fun. He's read like extracurricular stuff. We did a lot of stuff like hangout wise after work, and he made a real point out of making friends with my friends in town, and I appreciated that he valued them, and I really respected that about him. So it's fun to see.
I'd forgotten what the beginning of Julian Baker was.
Getting me to SUV, I was like, wait, he has a driver, what is going on here?
Yeah?
It was so funny because when when the call first came in, you know, when the early part of the episode, when you see Lucas under the bleachers on the phone, I was like, oh my god, this is the beginning of the storyline. I wonder when when does like the audience meet Julian, and then it's this episode. I had no idea what happened this fast.
There's a scene in the upcoming episode. I think, if my memory serves me correctly, that I remember vividly, so I knew it was coming. I just didn't remember how
cryptic Julian was. I forgot that when he had his first been introduced, there was a possibility of it going into Matt barr Land right where he's like sometimes I just get obsessed with things, yeah, you know, like he's saying really cryptic shit where it's like these tree Hill kids have been through it enough times, like should be red flag, red flag, and instead this.
Is like, well, I guess I won't call Peyton. Let me sign this paper. Yeah.
And it was interesting knowing obviously the tension that they were building for the Julian and Peyton.
And Lucas love triangle.
It was so wild to see that scene rather than knowing nothing knowing what was coming, because I was like, oh my god, they really do have him being kind of creepy, and there's so much pressure like, oh sign this before she gets here. Your agent says to sign it. Yeah, because you should sign it. I was like, wow, this I don't know if I read it as being so creepy then, but it made me uncomfortable.
Julian becomes like kind of goofy in later later seasons, right, oh.
Well, yeah, he was supposed to be the like bad boy movie producer, super cool guy. And then and by the way, they also said he would be there for a time, maybe break you guys up that you know, there was a lot of apology from the boss that was like, I had no idea this overlapped with your real life.
How weird. And I was like, dude, I've.
Dated like three people in ten years. What do you mean you had no idea? You're my nightmare. And he was like, promise you guys will never have like you'll barely ever have scenes together, but it'll certainly never be romantic. And then when they shifted it and did what they were going to do anyway, and Julian of course becomes the person that Brooke marries. The hilarity of it was there were other dynamics at play, and our creepy boss didn't want all of Julian Baker's like cool, hot Hollywood
movie star character friends coming into town. Oh he he did not want any more attractive young male right cast members on our set to pull attention away from him him being our boss, and so he is. He essentially like emotionally castrated Julian and made him into a nerd who didn't know how to give a high five six year old.
Yeah he had.
He had a six year old be his best man because he had no friends.
Just wild.
There's so wild wild, and we all were like, what is happening.
It's hard to watch these episodes because it's like when you go into a cat house and you can smell the ammonia even though you don't see the cats.
Yeah, I can smell.
The ammonia on all the different storylines here, Like obviously there was some manipulation happening.
In your storyline.
In my storyline, everyone knows that my childhood friend died in Iraq and it was a horrible death and I was really struggling with that and it was probably the thing I was most vulnerable about, most vulnerable about at this point. And so we're eight episodes in and I'm still not speaking to our boss right until he scripts in this USO stuff, because in my personal life, I had just gone on a huge USO tour over the
summer and it was really meaningful to me. And so you've got this person who's been so awful to you giving you this gift. And it's what narcissists do. They love vombu when they can't control you. And this was a really complicated storyline for me because I wanted to do nice things for the troops. I wanted to draw attention to them and honor them, but it was coming from someone who was not safe. And it's the ammonia. It's that piss smell.
I just oh, I want to like it.
I'm really struggling.
And then the mouth and cheesy stuff too.
Yeah, he thinks his mouth. And so he's writing all of young women that throw themselves at the boss and no hard pass.
We're all literally running from you, hiding, and we have a text chain to make sure no one ever winds up in a room alone with you. It's like our emergency line. And that's how you see yourself, Like, Bro,
you are embarrassing. It's interesting. I didn't know if you were going to want to get into the behind the scenes on the USO stuff, because seeing you and Earnest in the episode, I was like, God, I'm I'm so happy for this, and because of how obviously painful and traumatic that was in your life, not only to be able to highlight an organization you cared about, but knowing how safe you felt with Earnest and in your storyline, and the fact that it interestingly worked to bring Peyton
back to the mix of it all, and it was actually a really good tie in for Yeah, I asked him to play a show for us, and I'm still waiting to hear back.
It didn't feel like a stretch.
It actually really really works for these half siblings and their storyline with their estranged dad, and it was a
really beautiful scene between you guys. It was nice to see you revisit old spaces in this healthy way as the adult versions of your characters, and it made me like, as your friend, it made me really emotional because it made me think about not only how much fun we had doing the upcoming concert, how special it felt, how cool it was, how it felt like this really huge way to use the privilege of this platform of a TV show, but it had such ripple effects, like how
much that whole experience working with that organization affected you like a lot of us went on to do so tours because you introduced us to the organization and it's one of the most indelible good memories I have of
the entire run of our show. And to know, oh, sorry, it's making me emotional just looking at you, because you're emotional, Like to know that because we were privileged enough to be there with you and and be your community when Scott passed away that like for years, these amazing things happened in his memory because of the way that you like chose to do something good with how much you loved your friend who you lost. Like that is like a top five One Tree Hill moment for me.
And you did that. I love you so like our boss, but you're the best. I love you. Thank you. Yeah, I did like that.
We had to film that scene in front of a military cemetery that sucked, and that was like a little bit of subtext that I didn't tell anybody because like, what am I going to say? The locations, Like hey, I don't want to see all the white graves stacked up, you know, Like.
That's yeah, like this feels too hard. I've been to that funeral.
Why are we even projecting that you know, but you're right, Like Ernest, Ernest was so safe in a way that makes me sad we didn't have more of him. But he needed that, she needed a guy she could depend on. And I love that we had the the Mick talk. It made everything make sense. The fact that Mick and Peyton never talked about Derek was weird, YEA. So being able to, you know, bookend the relationship, I just like addressing it was great. I love I love the way
Ernest looks in a uniform. I love how he takes it. I love that he's such a stoic, stern man, you know, like he's the opposite of Peyton in so many ways. And while I thought the dialogue that we had together in our scene was kind of dorky.
I loved clunky, but you did beautiful.
I love that you could tell what we really meant, like like we're on an island, the two of us kids that nobody wants. You know, in my perfect world, Peyton befriends her brother's mom, you know, Like why isn't Peyton going to their house for Thanksgiving?
Yeah?
I hope in what do they call it the mega verse, that Peyton just goes over to brother Derek's house that hangs out with his maternal side of the family. There's lots of good stuff that's teased with all the USO stuff, and we really we had such a magical time. I mean, how many sold because there were people deploying the night that we went and did that. And we'll talk more
about it when we see that episode. But we kissed so many people go by, and then we get out of the buck and it was like, yeah, yeah, just started kissing people go by, and you know, I probably kissed more people that day than the summation of my life.
So sweet. Sometimes you have.
To try to kiss parade, you guys.
Sometimes you just want to hold someone by their little cheeks and give them a peck because it's the moment.
It's the moment, it's the moment pre COVID. We don't do that anymore, absolutely not.
I barely shake hands anymore. But back then, we were kissing soldiers left and right.
I know, I have to think about this messaging, and I'm like, are people going to hope and be like, well, Hillary loves kisses. Let's just know, don't don't do it, No, don't do it. Yeah, Peyton kind of being off on her own island.
This episode.
I had a number of these episodes back to back to back to back to back because I'm totally isolated with Derek in this one, Lucas and I have a very isolated episode. I had another when we were in Vegas. We were isolated, like season six, someone I don't see people really.
Yeah, I wonder if do you feel like that's because they were trying to settle into the couples again, because you know, we start we start the episode together all the girls, and we do have these moments of community. But you were saying it earlier, they really did do a lot with these couples.
I don't. I don't. I don't really know. I can't.
I can't really think of where it's going, aside from you know, the the reveal of Julian and knowing how weird that's gonna be, and knowing that we're gonna have this big upcoming concert, which was so amazing. But I don't, I don't really remember what else is going to happen, which is wild. Like watching this episode when we when Sam snuck out, I was like, well, where's she going? Where's she taking Jamie?
Like what's I literally didn't remember.
That she threw a party and close over bros. I didn't remember any of that, which is bizarre.
I I really liked how Joy tackled the Haley of it all in this episode, because she's had to say the same thing for two seasons now, over and over and over again, I'm worried, I'm right, I'm worried, I'm worried, I'm word of And she took every single one of those lines that she's already said and set them with a smile and a laugh and like a joking tone in this episode, and it made all the difference, Like it was fresh and it was cool, And I like
the fun that they had together because she's not nagging him, She's genuinely.
Like, Wow, don't get hurt.
Okay, let's say it, but say it's sexy.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like that there's a series busness to the subject matter they're discussing, but that they're in such a good place that they're doing it in a lighthearted way, and that they're trying, especially Haley is trying to be positive for him, because that's real life, Like real life is a is a wash of so many emotions, at the same.
Time, and it is.
It is really nice to see them flirting and having a good time together, even though there's this backdrop of anxiety.
Anxiety is the right word.
When he's doing that thing where he's wincing while she plays piano and she's like, what, I can't play with you making that face and he's like, exactly, I loved that.
Yeah it worked for me. Yeah, that was really great. Okay.
I like Julian Baker letting everyone know that it's really the writers that are the big money guys.
I was like, guys, what first.
Time writer do you know who's ever made three hundred thousand dollars to write a script? Most writers have to turn in their first scripts on spec and pray that they get paid for them.
Yeah. Yeah, that was not accurate. That was hilarious.
Cool for Lucas, good for him. Yeah, I don't know between the digs, that was distracting.
I'm trying to think what else I liked.
Oh, we need to talk about the mouth and Millie of it all and Gigi because that little Kelsey is such a good actor. And I can't imagine her parents because she was still a kid. Right, How old was she.
At this point.
I mean, we never knew her.
Really.
I think she was fourteen when she first started on the show, so she might have been eighteen at this point. Seventeen eighteen, she was a baby.
Yeah, and the whole you know, mouth has to overcome this aggressive female thing and do the right thing, and it's really distressing.
Our producer thinks she was only seventeen and she had to do this. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a It was a weird vibe.
Even the weirdness of them. I mean, they dressed her up like a man's fantasy of a college.
Girl, the still collared shirts and little argyle vests with mini skirts and stilettos.
It was so over the top and weird. And they kept.
Saying like, oh, well college college, this that like it, you know, calling her the hot intern like it really it just leans into this deep, like generations old misogynistic stereotype instead of.
GG our classmate.
We all went to school with her, and yet people are referring to her as the hot intern, which is weird.
Yeah, it's very bizarre, and it's also just bizarre, like, look, maybe I'm crazy, maybe this just isn't in our wheelhouse, in our community, but like, I've never seen a woman flirt like this with anyone.
Never.
It's so strange ish.
The person who wrote this has never actually been flirted with, because women are much more clever and subtle and have a good time when they're flirting. And this is just like blatant neanderthal over the headshit that. Yeah, a man who has never been hit on would come up with.
Yep, suxy hery suxy, Hey, sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy sexy.
And then like you hit on his girlfriend in front of him. But like even having her flirt with Millie, you know, you've got great legs. Like the whole thing was just so weird. And yet Kelsey is such a great little actor and she's so sweet that it just bubbles out of her her goodness. Yeah, And so I feel like in the hands of so many other people it would have felt scary, and like Gigi seems like if you really think about the way she's behaving, this is a person who is mentally unhinged.
It's like Nanny Carrey, like crazy.
Yes, and she just seems so sweet and it's I don't know, sweet Kelsey, it just hats off to you.
You didn't deserve it. You're perfect. Wam't on our show.
We've got Nanny Carey being a crazy you're sexy, You're sexy person.
Dev is like sex starved. We've got ggbing like crazy sexy sexy. How many crazy sexy sexy girls do we have on our show at any given time?
Since my Fridget wasn't going to do it, hey just got my low booms trying to ward off Julian.
Yeah, I don't know, get here.
I'm finally happy and that knowing that you're gonna get that reveal and you guys were so good. I mean, the shock for you when Peyton sees Julian in that hallway and he has the nerve to call you baby me immediately, you're like, wait a second. Him finding out that the happy ending of this high school love story is Peyton and Lucas are together, Oh my god, and he talks about how Peyton moved to la and it just like, Oh, I had the goosebumps.
I was like, this makes me so uncomfortable. It's also creepy. What are we gonna do? You know what?
It made me think.
It made me think that if.
He didn't know that Peyton was already back in tree Hill and with Lucas that means he's a pretty shitty producer. You don't do your homework, then you should be doing the job. Sorry, Julian, we have a fan question. Maybe were I think that we.
Missed before we get into that.
I don't think so, oh you know what, And maybe this is my honorable mention when I think it, but it does feel worth mentioning. I thought one of the best lines of the episode belonged to Jamie Scott when I tell Jamie you can't trust people when they're bad, and he says she's not bad. I think she's like Quenton was when he met Mom, nice.
But afraid to show it. And I was like, oh, from the mouths of babes.
It was such a sweet reminder that, you know, sometimes people act out because they just desperately need to be loved. And I love that that lesson came from the kid.
Yeah. Oh, he's the soothsayer for sure. I mean, why is that child at Quentin's grave?
Exactly?
Tree Hill's bonkers. Okay, so now we're going to do our fan question, and Okay, Ronnie wants to know.
Don't you find it weird that Jamie.
Never cries or has a tantrum. He's supposed to be five. It's because the person who wrote Jamie never had a child.
And never interaction children.
Yeah, has zero inkling of what a real kid does, which is why we should hire more women in rooms.
Weird.
It's almost like if people who you know had lived these experiences were the ones writing them, they might be better.
But mothers can't be writers the job. What are you talking about? Oh my god.
I love mom writers because they nurture the characters the same way they nurture their own children. And I personally appreciate that. Yeah, my five year old, My kids are really dramatic.
Gus used to say, why don't you just cut my head off and pour lava down my throat?
And I love when kids say really.
Weird shit like that. That's a good one. That's a really George.
George isn't as creative. But every single day she says.
Today's just been a really hard day, and it's so withering, and so I kind of like that steady rhythm of pessimism coming from my five year old girl. Jamie needs to have a bad day.
Yeah, he needs to have bad days. He should have absolutely had tantrums. I love that your daughter is just a tiny Virginia wolf.
She is so dark today. Today has just been dark and desolate and cold. I was telling her producers where it came out. She's been thrown up the last couple of days.
And every time she throws up, she turns to me and goes.
Well, that was annoying.
Yeah, kids are weird. Man Like, Jamie's saying all of this really like you know, kumbayash. He should just be saying some weird stuff. That's accurate. Yeah, we need more weird.
Thank you, Ronnie weird. You're more weird. Thing about that kid is that big old fake tooth. It's been a wheal baby. Let's go. What do we got?
We have a most likely to.
Give it to him? I'm obsessed with this.
Who's most likely to have multiple dates in one night?
I mean character wise, it's Brook Yeah, total.
Ah, everyone's like grown up now, so I don't want to blow up anybody's spot, you know what I mean.
It's Austin. He would admit that about himself. Yeah, it's totally Austin. He's likely love it. Cool day date and then.
Kate and then dancing date.
Yeah, I don't.
Know, man, I really it's funny to like look back at all of that and realize, like, really, even in this conversation, like you and I were just never good daters, no.
And like I don't know. I was talking.
About like the way we all grew up with a friend of mine recently, and I was like, I don't know if it was because like, you know, was it all girls' school?
And I learned nothing? Was it?
Like what was it because we were so young when we got on our show that there wasn't like the normal time everybody else had to date and be social. It's like I'd be friends with someone for a while. Well we had a lot of obviously big communities, but like eventually someone sort of starts to stand out and you go, I think you might be nice enough to date, and then you date for a while and.
Then like we were just never we were never like out.
And single and dating the way people date. Like we were either single or we were in like serious long relationships.
And I'm like, is that because we didn't grow up in dating app culture? What was it?
No? I mean, look, I'm public school, so you can't blame it on the girls' school.
You think it's.
That we were weird, so ambitious, we were so driven that when applied to dating and you're like, cool, first date, are you going to be the person I'm marry? No, then we're wasting our time here, Like great. We could not take our study skills and apply them, Oh my god, we would try.
My god.
We made our relationships into textbooks. I'm dying.
We did homework and like all the things girl.
All I did for so long was homework. No more homework. No, we're not doing that.
That's actually really interesting, Yeah, because that does speak to why it was like, Eh, on a date, not interested. I'll just be single for three years or I'll be in a relationship for two. But there's no in between.
There's we're either getting a four oh GPA or dropping the class.
Done, Oh my god.
Done?
All right you guys, Well, next study buddy.
Are we calling Austin for the next episode? We have to Yes, Yes, he'll do it, he'll do it, loves us. Yeah, it's season six, episode nine, Sympathy for the Devil. Just tell him the name of the episode and he'll join us.
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