Vegas, Baby • EP320

I love being in Vegas with you guys. I like being a little bad and I like dressing up like Elvis. We were in your rooms so lazy last night. Your sweet husband just like getting this food and being like what do you need to drink? And Angel Yeah, Grant took very good care of all of us, thank god, because I think I forgot how to party a little bit. How late did you guys stay after I left? I love when you left. We did. We were today. I'm on New York time, yeah yeah, well I'm yeah, I'm

on Tennessee time too, So Tennessee time. That's Tennessee town. No, it woke I woke up at six thirty and I was like no pass. So this week we get to watch the episode together, which is fun because we're in a beautiful suite. Um, tell him where we are, girls, Tell him we were in Valley Ranch and we're drinking some delicious champagne. This is very How do you say at Collette? Well, Collett would be too tall and fancy, and I hope that you go get the bottle of

your own. Okay, Bubby, it's nice to be together. Yeah. Well, and also it makes it more fun to laugh at ourselves in the episode when we're all sitting on a couch together, because there was some content in this episode where we were like, those lines are hard to say, a lot of exposition. How did you put it? Come on? I said it was written but shot pretty, and it was.

It was a terrible script. Wait a second there. I'm going to argue with you on this because there were some really nice monologues that James had, and James that you know, there was the dialogue between you and Greenberg when it was the fluffy stuff was bad, but the meaningful like meaty stuff actually really liked. And I thought you guys pulled it off well and he did a great job. I agree, James started the episode and finished the episode like a star. He's never looked better, He's

never been more confident. He was so hot in this episode. It was unbelievable. It was truly the James Lafferty episode caveat. We had no idea Nathan Scott took bubble baths. We got there. But wait. But the thing that stuck out to me is it started off and we were like, wow, this is amazing. His monologues are amazing. Look how it shot. And then suddenly every other scene was terrible. And then by the end of the episode we were watching some of our favorite scenes. It was very all over the place.

But well, I fetch beautiful. I loved it. Tell him, tell him what the one season three episode twenty, every Day is a Sunday Evening. I didn't realize that was a song title and ties and so nicely with them that's storyline. In April two thousand and six, read the synopsis okay uh y'all Season three episode twenty, Peyton is reunited with Jake and Savannah Georgia. She makes a decision about her future with a very big question. You know. Points for the boldness of the teens on our show.

Nathan is on fire on the basketball court and in both of his jerseys it doesn't say that, but I added it while Dan is forced to watch from the outside. What a scene. And Uncle Cooper real is Rachel's true identity. And this is the first and only episode Lucas does not appear, and it's the first episode for Nathan Scott to be the only character to narrate. I loved it. His voice is so soothing to listen. Is honestly listening to James narrate this episode. I was like, well, we

gotta get him a podcast. It drives me crazy that he's not a huge movie star because he's so handsome and he's so interesting to watch work and good and like, it's just so stupid. I remember the movie Studios Hire James Lafferty. He's so good, he's so good. I remember thinking and by the way, no shade. And he gets better and better looking as we get older. It's rude. He's one of those guys like Robert Redford who just gets more handsome and you're like, cool, could but I

remember thinking and again like, no shade at all. I'm a huge John Krasinski fan. I think he is hilarious and wonderful. But when he got Jack Ryan, I was like, that should be James laughfordy, Yeah, like what we could James James to be an action movie star? Can you take a bubble bath in it? My question that you know what it is. It's like we do Charlie's Angels, but it's really about Charlie and that's James. Oh, y'all,

like the backstory is Charlie interesting? And it's the third time you and I have said the exact same thing with the exact same antonation today and I really like it. We're on the same page. Um. For those of you who missed it, Nathan's body is really hurting him. At the beginning of this episode, Joy just said the correct way I hold the microphone. First of my way, Hillary has her hand actually wrapped around the top of the microphone,

which is my favorite. But then the other part is when she just pushes it off to the side so it's like at her ear. She's like, you, guys, I'm talking on the phone. I hold the microphone like it's a telephone. Okay, I'm an idiot. I had one of those little Bob Barker microphones, which is one that comes off, you know, like a bluetooth, know, like a like a motivational speaker, like the Broadway rune comes down taped to

my forehead. Uh sorry guys anyway, Um, yeah, Nathan's body is hurting him so much because bassic all has been in contents and Haley's like rubbing his back and he's his remedy is this bubble bath in your purple bathroom? First time we ever saw that bath yea purple and red. They really went for it. Set deck really was like, let's really keeping thing, but in a rental, Like I've never been in a rental that wasn't beige. Always they're very,

very neutral. I will say I would love to interview our set decorator at some point because somebody on our show had a crush on purple. Your apartment was purple, your bathroom was purple tile. And when we do our flash forward to the future in Brooke, Davis buys her house on the water, the main bedroom is purple tile wallpaper.

What it chased us around for nine years? Guys and they have questions, maybe they have I would like to see their house because maybe it's all purple with lots of lamps, lamps, God, Okay, we got robbed by a lot of heart throbs. Uh and it really hurt in this episode. Again, Chad was not in this episode, so they decided to fill that time with a little dose

of Brian Greenberg and Michael Truco. And really, it hurts so bad to know how robbed Sophia and I were in the long game once we found out you and Truco were supposed to be a thing in later season, that that was going to be my grown up story. So it makes all the sense why when we see him on on main Street, I'm like, Cooper's down? How

do I look? Called him out hot, Uncle Cooper. Honestly, it's that sort of energy that I loved when the writers gave gave to me to play for Brooke, just saying things like that and having the moment about the pie and like when she really just put it all out there. I loved it. I I go back watching these episodes with you guys, and I'm like, I should do that. Now, you should just do that. Joy does that you are skilled at that. We'll be out and you'll be like, I don't like this. Okay, Yeah, thank

you for saying it. Um. Yeah, so we find out that Coop has no idea about Rachel. We found that out like in the last episode, and this is where the cards are being stacked. We know it's all gonna fall apart. Um. Can we skip to the end, like, can we surmise the the sh I'm down, we can do whatever we wanted. Shaw. We feel about the fact that Cooper still hooked up with her. I feel real bad about it. Yeah, I don't like, especially because what I don't like is that the writers put the Rachel

character in the cartoon villain position of being the temptress. Yeah, she's the it's gross. She's a kid. And and I had such high hopes when she said it's okay, you know, because it's North Carolina, which by the way, also discussing that's for a separate conversation. And he said, no, it's not okay with me. You have to be a hell

of a lot older for me. And then they made her take her clothes off and say all the things in the little voice, and then they kissed anyway, And I was like, come on, you actually were doing something great. You made a great choice, and then now you just you were gross, you know, it bothers me, for Danielle and for I guess for our audience that that was

the representation was normalized. But there is something realistic. I mean, I did know girls like that in high school who were trying to get attention using their sexuality because that's all that they knew that they were worth and the only tools of the patriarchy gives you. Well, yeah, however, they were raised, that's what they were taught, and so

I I'm okay with that. I'm okay with characters having flaws like that, and I like that, Um, it's possible for Rachel to go on a journey there, but I didn't like the grown man making that choice at the end. Like when he walked over to her with her shirt, I wanted him to open it up and put it over her shoulders because that's what I was expecting him to do. I was surprised he didn't. He's such like a hero in the episode. The first time we see Cooper in this episode, he, you know, Dan is just

Pastor and Deb in the kitchen. He's like pestering Nathan and Cooper comes in and like bows up to him and it's like, yeah, I'm here. This is my sister's house, get out, and we're like, yes, Cooper. And then we see him being cool with the high school kids and Karen's cafe. He's like a cool guy and he's a good guy telling Nathan do the right thing and help talking him through making the right choices. I mean even the random exposition on Brooks part saying no, I know Cooper.

He would never data Highs right, hound does brook No Cooper? I mean, that's just convenient. The writers are like, you know, how, we'll make it seem like he's been around forever. We have everybody knows something about it, and then you've never seen him, you'll know there's relationships. It's just happened off camera. It sucks, though, because that was the opportunity for somebody to stand up and say, hey, sweetie, you actually are worth a lot more than just using your sexuality to

find your value, and he didn't. It was like he just reconfirmed again. Oh well, if I just wanted enough, if I just push it out there enough, then I'll get the validation that I'm looking for and any man will fall for it. And it's just sad because oh, I want so much more of a Rachel I love the way that Daniel plays Rachel because she it's really it's really easy to look at her with the slow motion shots that I hate, like while she's washing the

are and be like, this is a sexpot. And then you see her get really frustrated with herself and really like disappointed and like hurt, like a girl, like a little girl. And she's the one that is constantly having to remind the lens of our show, which was controlled by men, whether it was behind the camera or writing the scripts, she is the one that's constantly having to remind them girl here, little girl here, teenage girl here.

And she does a really good job of it. But even mouth, you know, as much as he's like, hey, I love you or I like you and you led me on and stuff, even he forgets she's just a little girl. She's a teenage pretending it's the Marilyn Monroe thing. She's always normal, Gine really yeah, yeah. And you know what's interesting is making her that sort of stereotypical vixen takes away her innocence. And that's a very confused, using place.

You know, we've all had experiences when at some point in our young life, in our teen years, we realized, Oh, the world looks at me and my body and my gender a certain way. I don't feel that way. I realize I'm being looked at that way. And it's a it's an alarming and scary at times thing to go through.

And it's really interesting to have Danil as an actress, have the wherewithal to show that through Rachel, even if she's not always given the words for it, to lean in and play the girl who's playing it up and act like a college girl who has it all together and who has this boyfriend and all these things. But when when she gets confronted with realities and and Daniel Daniel's face falls, you see the youth in that character.

And she had to remember to do that for seventeen year old Rachel, and though she was you know what at the time of this season, and that's really cool cool. Do you remember how young you were the first time like a grown up man made you feel like, oh, you don't see me as a kid. I remember, like the very first time, I must have been like ten or eleven, and my dad's friend came by on his motorcycle and it wasn't someone I'd ever met. Before, and we just met him down at the end of the

driveway and he didn't even say anything gross. He just said something like, oh my god, do you want a boyfriend? You're so pretty? And and it laughed it off and and I just remember being so fucking mad and like so grossed out and like like really upset by that. And it was nothing like in the in scheme of things.

It was like a big nothing, right, But that really was my first time that I was like you, if I had a boyfriend, it would be you know, Larry Eppard or like one of my best friends from school, not you, you gross old man. You know. Yeah, I just I don't think you ever shake that. And then it happens over and over again. It's it's not a big nothing. That's really gross. For a grown man to say that to a girl is in high school? How old were you know, baby? I was like in fifth

or sixth grade. Yeah, that is beyond gross. But it's just my dad, my like the older men in my life who are well, I guess your it was your dad's friend of your two would have been what forties, like early forties grown up, So all the men that are now are I mean can you, honestly, could you imagine that grand seeing old? Can you imagine either of

your boyfriend? You are so pretty, you know, but for but for someone like Rachel, if that's the only time the grown ups in the room are paying attention to you, you're just like, Yeah, this is what this is the card I'm going to play well, and you know what, I know, we've talked about this a lot personally, the three of us. I don't know if we've talked about it on the show, but we all grew up in

different parts of the country. We had different experiences as young women, and you know, Hillary, when you've talked about how common it was in the South, in Virginia, in in further southern states to see a culture of like, well, you know, by the time your daughters in high school, you better figure out who her husband's going to be.

That's it feels alarming and scary. And there is something I think that is important, given some of the things you've shared with us about the fact that for however flawed the writing was that we were because of where we were geographically in the show, that we were also highlighting that a lot of girls Rachel's age, we're being told by their parents. You go out there and you get that man. You go out there and you figure out who your person is. Well, the only reason you

go to college is to get your mr. You know. For so for the girl like Rachel who's maybe not that great at school, or maybe she is, I don't know what her deal was, Rachel's Rachel's in class, one

of those secret smart girls. But it doesn't matter because we're all raised with these deficiencies of like, wherever we're not getting the attention that we need, whether it's and we and then we find an area where, oh I can get attention if I get on stage and do a tap dance, I can get attention if I use my sexuality, I can get attention if I Yes, So we all have those areas, um, but it is definitely problem. And you're right, especially in the South. I think I

don't know how much that is now. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a seven ten year old girl now. I know the way it was when we were growing up. Yeah, yeah, But Danielle grew up in Louisiana where again, yes, like, but she could she could be smart, she could be super smart. It doesn't matter wherever the thing that the vulnerability and security in you is, that's the avenue that you used to try and get attention. Absolutely, it doesn't

matter whether she was smart or not. I think that I remember, like the thing that we were told when we were growing up is that, oh, Southern girls are so hot when they're in high school. They peak early, so you have to get married really young so you can get the best husband. I just remember that being like a thing, like we peak early, and I couldn't wait to get to New York. I was like, I don't want to peak early. I want to peak it. Man.

I left Texas before that. You know, I left when I was twelve, so I didn't I miss the whole teenage Southern experience. And it's not like where I grew up was like super super super southern, but it was just southern enough to have those kinds of like snippets in the dialogue you know we peak earn No, we don't. I'm still peaking. You're welcome. But maybe Nathan and Rachel are kind of going through the same thing because they've

got this thing that they have to prove. I have to prove, I have to prove I'm super sexy, I'm valuable, and Nathan has to prove like, like, I have to win this for Whitey, I have to win this game for myself. I have to win it for Lucas, I have to win it for Keith. I have to win it for my community. Like I've built my whole life on this idea. I'm gonna make it happen. And he does. Yeah. In grant fact, Oh this was so good. I loved this Lomo. I loved all the I loved all his monologues.

I really did. They were interesting to listen to. Maybe it's James's voice that was so soothing, but I thought they were well written. I liked it. I also was so impressed when you hit that moment at the end and he's looking at that d bag from the teams and it's a close up on James making the free

throw looking to his left at the other player. So in my in my director brain, I go, oh, they had to cut into a close up because he didn't make it, And then they cut into the wide and you see that he made a freaking free throw not even looking at the basket, And I was like, oh, yeah, because we're one of the hottest things I've ever seen on our show. So hot, it's so sexy. It's so much more sexy than any of the stuff they think is sexy. But it's not. That's that's the crawling out

of bed whatever. I mean, She's hot, but liked not even looking at this the raw confidence confidence is hot. Yeah, and it's something I think we can see now, especially knowing all because it's so and you go, oh my god, was anyone paying attention to this? Was everyone just talking about the Rachel uncle Uncle Cooper thing? Like? Did the internet talk about that shot? Because if they need to now see memes and memes and memes of that make us a gift? A gift? That's what I meant to say. Please,

what's the difference between a meme and a gift? I don't know. I tried to get my twelve year old drislan it to me. Well, memes are made up of all sorts of things like video clips, gifts, photos with writing on them. Like, but a gift is just like the couple of images that get animated to move together in a loop. Okay, it kind of makes sense. Yeah, It's like, you know, you you have a gift. You have a photo, you have a video, and you can use any of those to make a meme. The more

you know this tech talk. Okay, let's talk about Jake. Let's check Jake in Payton. He's curled up in the fetal position on the couch. It was just, okay, what a cheat? Like, what a cheat? I had him, I lost him, I had him again, I lost him again, and now he's back and he's gonna go make movies with Uma Thurman and leave me again. And I can't take it. I think my heart can't take it. It's difficult, not only for Peyton Sawyer but for Hillary Burton, because I just felt so safe in arms a prince, so

much good chemistry between the two of you. He's so sincere. He fills up the space when you watch him, but it feels inviting. It's not filling up, like taking over. It's like a big his presence just feels like a big, warm hug, ready and waiting, well open. And so many boys at this age we're trying to be cool, trying to look cool, trying to be jacked, like doing push ups right before the camera would roll, like God, remember they would all do that, do that and we were like,

what is wrong with you? Guys? And then you cut to Greenberg and he's sitting and like literally looking in his eyes, you feel the openness of his energy. Such an artist, he's so interested and curious about other people. So he welcomes you in and gives you permission to be open. And it's so nice to watch you in those scenes with him Hill just be so present and and be happy, girly and happy. And I was surprised

with that. Dude. I loved him, um and I think he's well written in a way because we always knew we had limited time with him, right, so it's like, how do we make this count? How do we make this count? And so even though we have to speak about like a lot of exposition here, Jake's talking about bigger picture things, you know, like like being happy. What

does that mean to a seventeen year old? You know, how do you wrap your head around like, oh, we've had to deal with some pretty henish you know, how are we going to overcome that so that we're not miserable like our parents? You know that we don't fall prey to this. And I don't know, guys, they told me that Jake and I were Endgame and it should have been. I'm sorry to all the fans out there who love the end game of Peyton and Lucas. I respect you, as we need you. I appreciate you. I

respectfully disagree it's sliding doors, right. It is like Peyton Lucas makes sense not in this moment, and this moment, I'm just like, what are you talking about? But to your point, there's also the reality who was Endgame changed every year based on the jobs people got. Yeah, and because our bosses were shortsighted enough to not make Brian Greenberg, one of the actual series regular leads thee But yeah, he went and he literally left after this season. You know,

Hillary wasn't joking. Oh he went and did a movie with Uma Thurman and Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep was playing his mom, Hullo. So of course he went to do that. Why wouldn't he. He deserved that. But it it really did disrupt the through line of our show. And I will say it again, you losing Greenberg, man, I lost Cooper and we furious good. Yeah, there's there's a whole other reality that our show could have been. Yeah, I

want to watch that other dimension. I want to watch the Tree Hill in the next dimension to those are the people we wound up with. I want to see where the show go. Do you think we have enough just like footage out there from the nine years, that someone could splice something together and make fan fiction of it and make it look like we dated those people forever.

I saw something once where someone spliced one Tree Hill was Supernatural and made it look like I had dated Jensen's character and then got together with Jeffrey's character and I was like, you cross but weird. Someone out there was editing their brains out and they were just like they love that as a project. Is there a way we could do like a contest around that, like people could actually enter scenes like this, like they could make

the visual mood board and then someone could win something. Listen. I haven't thought it. There's enough footage of like like Truco from other shows and of Greenberg from like all the rom coms he's done that someone can edit us alternate universe. Yeah, alternate, but how would that work for us? It's just for fun, don't be so little. Instead of being master coverage coverage, which is how we shoot every scene, there's no master, it's just coverage, coverage. You're together fine,

all right. This was also a debut of brand Greenberg singing on the show. I loved that little moment it where he said to you, you gotta watch out for those musicians. That was so he gets up on stage and says, you know, get my side gig, and Peyton didn't realize that he'd taken her there so he could sing to her. Yeah, Peyton not know he was a musician, Like, well, she knew. I mean he sung the Elliott Smith song

and all those babies. But this is the first time we see him in a band, like actually not just not in his house. Yeah, because you guys also had a lot of heavy stuff to be dealing with. Your entire storyline has been so fraught, so you know, I think it makes sense. It's the first time he's like, my life is lining up a little bit. Here's what I really love to do. Was goddamn. So why didn't Peyton go to the college design in Savannah? Guys? It

was such a simple solution. She didn't because Greenberg was off kissing him a Thurman. That's why Peyton did. That's why Peyton win worked at a record label in l A. Yeah, Greenberg ruined college for Peyton Sawyer, who I mean, really, Uma Thurman and Meryl Street ruined college for people also blame Muma. Sounds like a great band. That was the name of Jake's band in this episode. Blame Uma, poor thing. Um. To be clear, we really do love Thurman. Yeah, it's

a good joke. We're not we need to say that. I mean, I don't know. Suddenly I get I'm like, she's listening to the episode, but like, you know, one of those tabloids is going to be like the one Tree Girls attack Uma Thurman and it's like, nah, attack founder on this here's what they say, opens up about lashes out at and I'm like, what are you all talking about. We're sitting here with classes of champagne laughing. Guys. I think we have the same taste in men as

Uma Thurman. Because right about the times, right about the time we lost Greenberg, like the year after that, she was shooting a rom com with Jeffrey and yeah, they did um Accidental Husband together and and that was like the first thing I've ever seen him in and I was like, I already lost a dude to that chick. Maybe blame Uma is the name of this episode. We have so many good episode titles we do, we might have to put them on shirts. Yeah. Yeah, we'll just

have like thirties seven titles for this one. This is going to be a long summary, not like when bands go on tours in the back of the tour shirt is all the cities. We can just have a back of a tour shirt with all the episode titles we've ever come up with. It's good, actually like it. Someone

write that down. We're trying to come up with merch right now for you guys, and it's really been a chore because there's so many ideas and you know, we want to make it cool and not something that you're gonna not wear, um, or we wear something that we would wear and use, you know, so um send us your ideas. It's actually very difficult to find good merge. Guys. We never knew me. Yeah, we thought we had plenty of time and now we're totally scram Let's just sell

our cheerle in uniforms. You know, I'm gonna I love you have your cheerleading uniform of course I do. Are you kidding me? No? Are you going to wear it for Villain's Night. I wonder you could fit into it. You look amazing. Why don't say that day. I'm just genuinely like, oh man, we were children, Like I feel like my hips have grown stop. Okay, So this episode is airing October six are our last tour date is

October nineteen in Philadelphia. We've got villains Dan Scott and Nanny Carey with us, and so I think we need to encourage everyone who's coming to that show to dress as your You could be your favorite OT character or your favorite villain. Yeah, oh, any character. You're going to have so many, so much comic con vibes. I love it. I'm like, wait, should we dress up as ourselves on the show? Or like, can we dress up as Joanne? I want to do that so bad. I was a

full episode for Halloween. I made the wings, do you remember? Yes? Yes I did, Marianne. I made these wings out of like a cage. It was amazed. Remember the last week we were like, we should do that? Yes, I want to do it? Wait should every single day of my life? I've got no boobs, no bra, slip, dress, black and white hair, dot. I have a good crew. Ella wag at home. I did a good crew ella for Halloween

a couple of years ago. Oh that's fun. We should talk about this villain because he did my favorite scene in this episode. Paul. He really was. Although I we had seen a little bit more of the turn, it was kind of sudden, like after everything that he's been through and as much as we've walked through him, I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you everything. That's fine. I'm better now. I'm not a psychopath weight I actually still am a psychopath. There's been

so much of that that it felt cheap. That he was turning is like another turn. Okay, now he's sorry. Paul pulled it off in terms of acting and making it believable because he was so sincere, and you know his eyes where he was he was tearing and clearly very emotional. But it's still I wanted there to be a journey through the episode of us understanding what caused that turn for real, I mean not fake. Him being kicked out of that game was humiliating him being him,

knowing that humiliated Nathan, like initiating the restraining order. You can't blame deb for that, you know, And it's the biggest night of Nathan's life, and it's a success thing, and he sees Haley's there for everything he's tried to obstruct is now getting built as a wall against him. And and so I think with narcissists they do kind of like crack in that really fast way. It's like

a like where his voice catches in that scene. I don't know that he's expecting because it's not manufactured, because it's not like alright, I'm gonna go approach my son, I'm gonna cry, I'm gonna make him feel a certain way, and then I'm gonna walk away. I think Dan Scott was surprised that he got emotional in that way so quickly. I think you're right actually when you said narcissists, that's true because that they only can feel empathy when it

affects them. Like they can get emotional, but it's only because something that they care about is threatened. It's not doesn't have to do with how another person feels or what they're going through. Well, that makes sense, and when the perception of who they are that they've built is threatened. And I think powerful to watch the arc for Dan that rage scene at the top by the episode of a house and in the driveway screaming at Nathan about how this will always be my house and all those things.

And then when he goes to Nathan and Haley's apartment and he listens to their conversation through the window, and here's how good Haley is for Nathan sees how supportive and loving their relationship is. Here's Nathan talk about how he just does not have the bandwidth to have a relationship with his father and yet it sucks, but this

is what it is. And then he goes in to your point, has a plan, goes in as the mayor goes to the game, knows what he's gonna say to win everybody over because of all the information he collected today, he's had time to launch a plot. And then he gets escorted out by the cops and the whole, the whole house of cards falls, and I mean him sitting in the car breaking the fourth of all, looking at

why what in the world was that? For the people who didn't watch the there's a shot of Dan Scott and like the side driver mirror and he he's listening to the radio. He looks often in the mirror. But then looks right into the lens of the camera, and we're like, is he going to talk to us? Like, is he breaking the fourth Yeah? I don't think he was looking in the lens. I think he was looking off to the side of the lens, but it looked like he was looking right in and they should have adjusted.

It was weird and by the way, just knowing because we made the show all of us together. Clearly, the idea was that he's looking at himself and he sees himself alone outside and the dark, listening to the radio like it's you know, nine, and you know that. They were like, ah, we kind of can't tell on the monitor, So look at yourself, look in the mirror at the camera,

look look into the mirror to keep looking left. Okay, hold that Okay, Like they give and somebody in the edit chose the one where he's looking at us strugging down the bear all the lens. I was like, wow, that, I mean, if anybody's going to break the fourth would anyone on our show ever break the fourth hole? Did we ever do every other device in storytelling? No? Man, I mean I guess audibly that's what the narration is,

but no, not visually I can't imagine. I can I can't imagine them being like, let's have a Ferris Bueller's Day Off episode. You guys, what are we doing here? Yeah, a little bottle episode like that. You guys can put that into our alternate universe montage that you're out there

creating for us. Just break the wall. Um what I was seeing, James, Um, I mean Nathan, sorry, fight for staying in when he had that yescar he got the wound from Damian Damian West, Okay, talk about that because you and this dude, I mean, he laid it on you pretty thick. He did. He was he was a nice guy, but he had to be so smarmy. And I remember being really he just went for it with the way that he was like grabbing me and stuff, which I remember him in the gym, yeah, which is fine.

And I don't remember whether I said, like, just go for it, because that sounds like something I would say, is like, don't worry about because he was polite and everything, and I was like, it won't look real if you're faking it. Just come at me and I'll push you off. I mean, I'm smaller than you. You'll be able to handle it. Um. I put up a pretty I'm pretty scrappy. Um. Yeah,

but that was it was funny. I liked how the first time we met him he was so over the top and both both James and I were so nonplussed. But anyway, at the end, it was really cool to see, uh, the interaction between Nathan and Whitey, uh with with him being like, no, just stitch me up and let let me go back out. We needed at It was very sweet and human and you could see everyone's priorities and relationships. Even the fact that Whitey, you know, looks at Coach

k and goes his mother's mad. This was your idea. It's such a real thing, you know that That whole the whole sequence that at that game felt really special. Yeah. I loved the game. It was interesting to not have Lucas or Karen in the episode at all, but Nathan puts on Lucas's jersey right. That was sweet. Yeah, but I was okay with it. I kind of liked it was a bit of the soap opera tactic where you

don't watch everybody's storyline every week. You you kind of bounced back and forth, or some episodes that people just aren't in um And I liked it. I liked being able to really spend time with Peyton and Jake because this was largely you guys episode, I mean more than it was Nathan's episode. This is this is Nathan's style.

I would say, it's between the two of you. Yeah, I mean, Nathan had that, had the monol log, but um, we hadn't gotten to really spend time with you and Jake like that and so long, and I needed it as an audience member. I needed that just so great And it was so nice after so much heaviness to see Peyton really be happy. And Peyton is happy with Jake and and then she says, no, do you want to get married? Lost it because these two were like,

oh cute and like what gross? You're seventeen years to be be specific, Hillary said, kids, I mean I remember thinking I was going to get married at seventeen years old, Like like I had this friend who was real bohemian and like made his own like sandals out of old tires and things. Don't remember he gave me a rubber band one night and he was like, did you're engaged to ring? Why don't we just get married? We live on a boat, and I was like, Okay, do you

know what? Actually, okay, yeah, that sounds hot. Um never kissed that dude, never dated him. I just thought like, why not? Yeah? Yeah, alright, kids? Kids? Oh so sweet and earnest? Do you want to get married? Should we just do this? Also? Anna from Frozen just been crazy, Oh my god away I Also, I was glad to get an answer so quickly because when you walked outside and sat on the porch and that scene, you just looked so upset, and for all you guys at home,

the three of us were like, wait, what happened? Do we miss something? Why is petting upset? I didn't understand what was happening. Yeah, and you were like I don't even know. I did the scene and we're all sitting here, going have we did the TV glitch? Like what? And then you asked and we went it's the nerves. Do

you know speaking nerves? Um, it's not until we just started talking about it, but I have this like visceral memory of the scene where we come in the house and it's like it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work. And I closed the door to the bedroom and I'm like I'll just see you tomorrow, and having to stand on the other side of the door from Greenberg and like wait for my queue to open the door, because then I know that we're going to kiss right after that.

I remember being so paranoid because I was wearing like a lower cut shirt and my I could see my own heart beating in my chest, and because I was so nervous and like it wasn't real, but but my body was. My body knew it was real. My body was like, I'm gonna close this door. I don't want to open this door. It's so ross and Rachel, Yeah, I couldn't. That's exactly what it was. But yeah, that's sense memory. Yeah. Isn't that funny how you're body can

believe something that your mind knows is not true. Well, that's the thing. That's why so many actors are so screwed up with each other, because I mean, think about our show, like you said it, how many episodes ago when you were like, oh, everybody was kissing everybody, Like I don't know, I put a bunch of actors in

a small town with nothing to do. Come on, It's interesting because chemistry, you know, if you have like a really intensely emotional scene and you have to cry for eight hours and you wake up the next day and your whole body aches. You feel like you've been run over, Like it's real for your body, and it takes it

takes so much work to process that stuff. And god, you know, it's like all the mental health awesome experts and like semantic teachers on Instagram that I follow now, I'm like, man, all the young actors today, I'm so glad you guys have this these resources. We didn't know anything. What does this semantic semantic teacher? What's that word? Man? It's like, um, you know your whole parasympathetic nervous system

has experience. And like you can store trauma in the body, you can store anxiety in the body, so can you store love for Jake? Ki can confirm, can convert. It's like the way you talk about that reaction you have, like to Ellie's jacket. That's and there's like work you can do with breathing and like stretch. Oh my god,

do you want to tell I don't know. It's great, No, it is amazing, but like it was just it was so like intense and cool, but there's all that stuff that you can do two unlock and like process those things out. And to paraphrase a story that I told these lads that night, I was long. I saw this amazing acupuncturist too helped me like realign something in my body.

And when I tell you guys that, I like burst into tears and had memories from the summer that I think I was like thirteen or fourteen, like it was. I was sobbing and I was just like, oh my god, and this sweet little old man looks at me and he goes it happens all the time, It's okay. And I was like, okay, because just met it's been eleven minutes. Thank you. I don't know that that was in my

most a fruitful one. I mean that that's happened to me on massage tables, not not that that extent, but you know, if somebody hits the right spot all of a sudden, it releases something. And I'm like, why am I emotional right now? What I told you? Giving me a facial the other day, they keep calling me darling and my sweet girl, and she had to keep wiping my tears away. I was just like, because our bodies

are our tool. Right, It's like, I don't know how many professions there are where it's your body is like the thing you're selling. You know that sounds terrible, but but we're artists. Like that's part of it is weird, and that's it's why it was so scandalous for a woman to be on stage four years ago, because it was it was like akin to prostitution. Basically, you're selling

your body for the sake of entertainment or something. Obviously, we've we've advanced a lot in our understanding of what art is and you know, what's worth I think worth telling a story before pro athletes eat, measure, train, work out, you know, do pt all these things because their bodies are their tool. But their bodies are not required to

go through psychological experiments. Every day. We put ourselves into the psychology of other people, their trauma, their loss, their love, their addiction, there, whatever it is, and for your body, it's yours. And so to begin to learn how to process that out, how to how to actually separate those things in your subconscious like you have to take it seriously.

It's not um. That's probably why I get so annoyed when working on something and I see actors come on the set and they don't take it seriously and they don't care and they're just like, I don't know my lines or whatever. It's all we're just fun, like we're just doing this and we're doing a TV show, which you're like, You're like, do you know what I'm doing to my body right now? This? Like, I take this. I take art really seriously. I take storytelling very seriously.

It's meaningful. It changes people's lives. Not every job is going to change somebody's lives, but it's all building two different opportunities and you never know when you're going to tell a story that's going to hit somebody in a certain way. And our show is a great case in point for that. So, um yeah, I think it's really meaningful what artists do, and I take it seriously, and I it's it's hard to there's not a lot of resources for us psychologically as artists to know how to

untangle ourselves from things like that. It's weird. I remember doing a pilot once and I had this sequence of like six or seven guys that I was that my character was sleeping with, and it was um and there was a point to it. It's like it was talking about kind of her life, and there was a little bit of like this is empty. I feel so like why do I just keep doing this over and over?

But the sequence when we had to shoot it, it was I mean, we shot it all in one afternoon and it was like me just in pasties, like slammed up against a wall and in a bed and up against a window with a different guy, and then like all the different spots and it was fine. Everyone was professional, it was very it was as perfect of a of a safe environment as it could be. But I got home and I felt gross and I took a shower and I cried and I was like, my body feels

like it just went through something. And it's hard to know psychologically, like where to put that. It really is, yeah, And I don't think and I don't think the answer is don't do it, because as I said, I take art seriously and I think it's valuable. But but I think that's why, you know, I'm really thrilled that we

get to do this every week. I'm really thrilled that we get to be alive in this moment where there's more accessible resources and more open conversations about this than ever, because we didn't have any of this when we were twenty two helping talk when well, we would have known the dumb we shouldn't wouldn't have done. I just had a fruitian slip. I go, the dumb we shouldn't we

wouldn't have done. It's yeah, it's really it's wild. And I wonder too, you know, we talk a lot like, I wounder if James's body really did it because he had to take after take after take after take of this basketball stuff. What you guys see is one of you know, it's a fraction of what he actually had to do. You see three to nine minutes of scenes, and it took eighteen hours the court, NonStop. That's what

I was to say, though, I really wonder. We talk a lot about, you know, how much fun it is to watch James in an episode like this, how much he's grown his confidence, his strength, hiss like, he's just like raw ability, And I wonder how much his lifelong career as a basketball player helped feed his embodiment as an actor, because like, he's so you watched him in these scenes, he's so his body he looks like a tree, He's like ruded does look and I really will have

to ask him about that when at the end of the game get Tree. So we have a listener question from Shannon. She says, as people who play such strong, independent females on TV and are portrayed as such badass thank you. How do you carry that energy through to your personal life and do you ever feel like it's a lot to live up to or it becomes too much? I don't know. I think that we are pretty transparent

about being messy. Yeah, Like that's probably the most important part of it, is not trying to portray something bullet Yeah, I don't. I think that would be a huge disservice to women everywhere who listened to our show, or girls that looked up to us as they were growing up. You have to you have to be honest about how

hard it is to juggle all the things. You know, nobody's perfect, and I think it's really interesting to have uh in a way you know you Shannon today, the way you reflect appearance back at us, because I wouldn't say that any of the three of us feel like we're you know, independent, strong, bad access who just like carry it weird. We're all going like we don't know what we're doing. We call each other with a lot

of tears. We like, I don't know. I I feel like an emotional mush ball all the time, and so I think it can be such a lesson to remember that you can. You can give things to people that you're not even aware of. I wonder how your friends think about you, how people who love you see you in ways that maybe you don't see yourself, but you need to. You know, you all remind us what we're capable of when the three of us are sitting here going we have no idea what we're doing, and that

that's really a gift. So thanks for that. I have nothing to add to that said, thank you nailed it well. You know great questions. We get great answers from Stacy. What do you think your character is? Shower song would be what does that mean? Like the song you sing in the shower? Yeah? I don't Hayley's shower song, I know. I feel like it's I think it's like some rap song from the eighties or Don't Go Chasing a Lot of Fun. Yeah, I like that. I feel like Brooks

shower song would be Hit me with your best shot. Yeah, don't you. Yeah, I think Peyton's is all by myself. Do you want to be? Oh? I gotta se Oh my god, Joy, I want to need you to sing that song? Wait? Will you please sing it? Hits the high notes? Man? Wait, this is me. This is my best Shakira doing Selena? Yes, yes, yes, wait? Is that song? Oh? Wait? I was gonna do that one? No? Okay u what is it? When else? I never needed anymore making loves just for fun? He's just gone. Oh I don't want

to be seeing a girl. Oh my god, you champaign? Oh my god? How did I like that question? Okay, Joy, that's my new ring tone, by the way, genius. Um okay, do we have a wheel to spin? We sure do. Oh my well, we're all going to shower, So sing that in the bubble bath later as an homage, Oh, who is most likely to go? Ahead? Hillary? Live in a zoo is little real life thing you can douse animals. Who's a panda? Somebody who would work in a zoo and live there as like a somebody who takes care

of the animals like a gigkeeper? Oh well, who's responsible? It's not me? I mean Hill, are you have a farm. You kind of do I do live in a petting zoo. Yeah, it's you. It's definitely you. God, how bad happened? I don't know. Like when we were shooting the show, did you ever think in a million years? The day that I got a video from you inoculating Lamas, I was like, this is my favorite jump for Shark we've done, Like

this is it? This is better than dance. Some dog eating Dan's heart, Like this is real and I love it so much. Yeah, we just keep getting animals. I don't know. You should see me. You should see when I have to jump into the emu baster because it's a velociraptor, right, and it has these huge claws that

want to take your bowels out. And when I have to go in and get the eggs, like the huge green eggs, I have to race her and like, thank god, no one there to watch that because it's really embarrassing. I feel like you need to set up a camera.

I want to see that. I'm like Luke Perry in that movie eight seconds hang on, man, see My brain immediately goes to, how do we build you like a cage that you can be in the middle like a cylinder like a shark cage for an email, but it's like a wide cylinder and it has handles and you get under it and you walk around in a cage. And so if she comes up and wax the cage, she can't get to you. But you could walk and step right over the eggs and then exactly up and

put it in your basket. I don't want anyone to know what a sissy I am, because everyone else was like, just go get the egg, Hillary, and I'm like, why don't they get it's scary fine. I live in a zoo, you know what. I couldn't do it with an emu because of the size are I look at our chickens and I'm like, you are small all rude dinosaurs like they're so mean. They look at you like they want to kill you, but they can't because they're tiny. I have to about this, like I loved them so much.

And then when they killed my favorite chicken, when they did like their pecking order thing and they literally ripped till the swinton apart, the immediate flip like it's this wall, and I look at them and I'm like, you're not what I thought you were. You're nothing like dogs. You're not even anything like cats. I don't trust you. I don't know you. You're evil and you're lucky. I don't just open your freaking little pen and feed you to like Grant is like, are you okay about the chickens,

I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not. That is so because you don't trust somebody, it's over. They're dead to me. They killed Tilly and they might as well be dead to me. I take care of them, don't get me wrong. I still give them treats every day and I collect their stupid little eggs. But I'm did I eat I'm off, I'm off. You're lucky, you're that side. Ye. Sorry, Well now you can feel less guilty about dinner for the next I don't even want to eat them. I hate him so much. I don't even want to eat them.

They're murder murderers. Alright, guys, that's our show. Blame mama. I will not live in a zoo. We blame mama. Do you have a chicken tree? No? But I should. Yeah, this is why we can't have nice things. You guys are the best. Um, We're gonna we're gonna watch another episode of the show. We'll see you next week. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at

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