Tric or Treat • EP202

I loved this episode. Loved this episode. Like y'all, I really feel like this might be to date anyway. This is like a top like I don't know, Top two, Top two. Hey, I don't know at hyperbolic I get, I get a little excited. You gotta rain me in. Well, listen, you're also I'm in top ten territory for sure. Listen. Just to call it all out, Sophia six, so Fia and Enjoy have been traveling all over the freaking planet working like crazy. I'm going to miss the two renovations.

This is the highlight of my week when I get to just sit down for two hours with you guys. But yeah, all the things is a lot. So what are you juggling right now? Walking through it? You were getting like blood drawn yesterday? Oh man, my morning yesterday was so crazy. We're doing this really big episode and it's so good. You know, it's like we're doing We're

on episode five, so like season one, episode five. It's like all these things are happening, and this incredible director, Kate Wood is here with us, and she's amazing and like she directs pilots all the time, and we couldn't believe we got her to come work on our show. We're so pumped. That's a good name, and she's from Australia and come into set and just be like okay, and I'm just say it again, joy kite Wood. Yeah, yeah, you're good at that. You're really good at that. Yeah.

She she's like the kind of person who comes over to you and calls you darling and squeezes your shoulder and you're just like stay with me. Um. But yeah, we had that were we were doing splits yesterday. So I went to work at ten am, um and I had a zoom with my this is really fun with my wedding plan airs and my sweet fiance, and I'm like writing to work, like combing out my wet hair,

just being an animal. And these these women are so sweet on the zoom and I'm like, hey, guys, sorry, you know I don't have like a bra I mean the sweatpants I slept in. But how are you set the expectation real low? You want them to think you're a handful totally um And I get to set and because I've been sick, they've been trying to get me into the doctor. But I can't go to the doctor because we work all the time. And so this a doctor sent a person a phlebotomist. I love that word.

By the way, I want to play a bottomist on TV. About the bottomist. Yeah, I'm really to it. Maybe it's because I love Dexter so much. I don't know, but but this lovely person comes to like draw draw my blood. But I get into my trailer and I'm on the zoom with the wedding players, and I laid down because I'm like, if I if I sit up while you draw my blood, off faint. So I just laid down to the ground, takes my blood. I'm still on the zoom and everyone's just kind of like what is your life?

And then I went from from the blood draw into the air and makeup trailer and I to get ready and like run lines while you know, finishing the zoom, and I just was like, you know what this is? Uh, this is what we do. We're in a circus, see that, like you know with the caveat and I know we all say this, it's like it's organized chaos. It's insane and it's delicious and we love it and we're all just like, I don't know. I look around every day

being up here and I'm just so grateful. The only thing I could ask for, the only thing more I would want is to get YouTube lunatics up here to play with me. Well yeah yeah, and I'd be like I've won the lottery. Everything's girl, I've got winter coats. It could come to Canada. Just drive up from the Fox wrap ourselves in Canada, Goose We'll put joy on a plane and we'll do it. That's a joy. You've been all over the place too. Are you home for yet?

Figure out what city you're in every day? For the last it's been a lot, it's been a lot of traveling that was surprising for me because, um, you know, as it is in the circus, you never know when you're going to get called to get on a plane all of a sudden. So yeah, I was. I got a job in Charleston on a great movie, a mer Max movie with Paul Bettany and Carmeni's Yogo and just

a really amazing group of people. And it was it was a small group, It was a small cast, and we were all kind of in one location the whole time. So it was nice. I wasn't just there for a couple of scenes and then left. I really got to be there for um four weeks and just to know everybody and spend time. And it felt great. They were keeping it small because it for COVID restrictions and just making sure everybody would stay safe. And did it feel

really into a blast? It did. Yeah, we were all just kind of in a house for three weeks, three four weeks. That's so cool. I also feel like I have to throw us all under the bus a little bit because as soon as you said, Paul bett just be honest, guys, our with our with our queendom fandom, that we really all we were like texting joy being like, how is he was so handsome, so nice, you guys, joy,

He's all those things. Of the most embarrassing nights of my life was with Paul Bettany because we were doing Secret Life of Me. It happened Secret Life of Bees. He's playing my abusive husband, but like we had to shoot all this lovey dovey stuff before. Scenes were so hard, and we're like kissing on steps and it's all cute and he's like such a gentleman but also like really fun.

And on the drive home that night, I'm just making small small talk in the van and we're driving on this old country road and our van driver hits a deer and just it's like three o'clock in the morning, and it's chaos and it's a nightmare. And I was pretty sure. He was like, I'm never coming back to this place again. These people are insane. Oh my god, but a gentleman. I didn't know you guys would work together. I didn't put two and two together that he really

he was so great. It's a movie that he actually co wrote with a friend of his, Dana Brown and and he we had Mark Waters directing, and it was just so cool. It was to I just love her. She's so creative, look like a babe in this super fun, super fun And then after I mean, we love Charles. You made a great time and then went to um. Yeah, I went to Nashville for a week to stay with some close friends and also I had some meetings with labels and write music musicians and fighters and just putting

together this upcoming album that I'm planning. And didn't you see that you with a friend of the show. Did you go see a friend of ours? A friend of ours? Wait, I sent you a photo, but my brain is dead right now. What Jimmy was Jimmy Allen? Oh my gosh, Jimmy. Yes, I had dinner with Jimmy. It was amazing. Sorry, I was thinking somebody from our cast. I was like, yes, I had dinner with Jimmy and his beautiful wife Alexis

and their kids and they were lovely. Had had me and Maria over and ordered a feast and we just sat and chatted and it was really fun. He's really a big fan. I'm such a huge fan of his two It was super cool. It's been fun. I've been having a fun couple of months. I have to say all I'm doing is taking care of all the stuff

that I didn't do for the last year. Like Jeff and I left the farm last October to go film The Walking Dead, and then we have just been on the road, you know, either in North Carolina or in Georgia, and so all this stuff accumulated here. And thankfully we had really awesome people to you know, take care of the animals. But there's just stuff that only you know how to do. And now I'm in the thick of major renovations. I've got really witchy wallpaper up in my

kitchen now, and that's all I care about. Oh, I want to see it. Wait, you showed it to it. Sometimes you just have to like stop what you're doing and take care of the nest so that you can then go out into the world and like do all the stuff. But yeah, we've got a ton of production stuff happening, and all I want to do is wallpaper. I stayed up till literally we've got this very very ugly stone fireplace. It was not built by a stonemason.

It was just like somebody was like, I'm gonna put these rocks on a wall, and I concreted it last night. I said up to like midnight. I'm like, I'm sick of looking at this thing that we're so similar. I mean, that's that's how my much and started. I was like, I got a can of green paint for my garage and I started painting a cabinet. Was like, this will work. You know. A week and a half later, I'm still on the ground with a spray gun painting my cabinets. Um,

but it's great to be back. I go to New Jersey for convention in a few days, so it'd be nice to go back home for a little while, Anna, and then I'm here for Christmas. So it's it's just that time of year when everything is so jam packed and your email inboxes blowing up, and your text messages are blowing up, and we're having a Christmas party here and let's to plan for that. So it's it's just busy, busy. I got home from this like weird, crazy day at

four am. I mean, I guess technically today and I was on Pinterest for it. Now, I was like, this sounds to categorize. Man, let's get into luss factor dot com. No, I want to bury it. No, I don't. I definitely don't we have such good stuff with the party. But let's get into the c D aspect of this episode, because it actually was pretty funny. Um, you know what

I'm gonna say. And Hillary, you said this early. You were like, you know those people who've who have done great acting with killer scripts, like I dare you to do her material. You and I somehow, I think we deserve like a girl scout patch because you and I somehow made the creepiest storyline feel very cute between two cute I dare Kate winslet to do this. You know what, I would, come on, just try he just take a picture of her ass for lust factor and make it

look not assaulty? Did you have to have? They had to take that photo for props? So here's what I tried to do is I tried to unsexy every element if you write, like, my posture in this episode is incredibly slouchy. And then when I they had to take the ash shot, I tried to make my legs all like you know, yeah, it looked like big bird draft. It's not cute. And then they're like, all right, we're gonna take this picture in the shower, and I'm like I know how to make this ugly. I want to

put this shower cap on. If you fight sexy at every turn, ultimately you'll end up with something adorable. It becomes cute, you know what. I think you end up with this comedy. Yeah, you're a smart cookie. Well listen, Like, let's talk about the dating scene though in Wilmington's because there was not a lust factor dot com. There wasn't one. We were all very available women for like five minutes. Uh, they well, did you actually do a dating site? Like

did you? It wasn't until later sles, But I was single for like, I don't know what some of the season, all of season six for sure. Um, and my best friend Tory, who lived in Raleigh. So Tori would like come and hang out with us all the time in town. We decided to sign up from match dot Com on New Year's Eve and we were like, let's just do it. Let's just do it together. This is going to be fantastic. And so Wilmington was like a college town but also like kind of a military town, and it was like

it was an odd bag of dudes. You never knew what you were going to get. And I get on match dot com and every single dude I talked to is a pilot and he happens to be flying out that night and it's the only night he can see you, and he's gonna be gone, but he just really wants to meet you that night. So I didn't. I didn't

really end up dating anybody from match dot com. However, I was living alone, and the uncomfortable thing is that a number of my neighbors matched with me, and then they just walk by the house and on to that one of our crew members matched with me. It was very uncomfortable. You have to tell us, I'll tell you later where They're like, should we And I'm like, definitely not. I mean, I feel like I need to paint a picture for our listens of the dating scene in Wilmington's

because it is mystified. And four in two thousand and four, it is mystified. A lot of people they're like, why you guys just kissing each other? And I'm like, you don't get it. You don't understand that. People are always like, why was that show like such an actual high school, And I'm like, well, because Willington's has two groups of people. There's all of the U. N C. W students who are eighteen to twenty one, and we are now twenty one,

but on television, so you know, we're we're pretty exciting. Uh, I don't know commodities to the college kids, so immediately where we can buy before the college. We got to

avoid the colleges. But also kind of too old, too mature to date guys that were in that twenty one year old bracket in that college town because we had together, we had our lives going, like, we had jobs, and we weren't like going to go to someone's you know, Sigma kay party, although that would have been honestly, you know what we should have done is before the show premiered, we should have crashed some frat parties. Really we we

missed it. But as I digress, the other available quote largest pool of men in Willington are retirees who live on both courses. I'm telling you're not down to date somebody's grandfather. So I was I you had you could have had at but yeah, this is basically why we

all discussed each other. I kept being like, like a hot professor are in town, or you know, like there was a hot professor in town and he was married to an equally hot academic, and I was like, well, I could we all have dinner and you could teach me about how you met. I don't know, Yeah, there were there really was. There was just a gap. Well lust factor understand match dot com? Yeah it could have. It could have done wonders for all of us had

it really existed. I also don't understand how you uploaded polaroid pictures to the Internet in two thousand. What was that? No? I was learning photos from the cannon elf. Oh is that what your little phone from the little power shot? And then I'd put it in the card reader. Oh my gosh, what's so fun watching that old technology? It really was that. It's so insane, you guys, let's talk

about that opening. Those shots were so beautiful, the like twisting shots, the upside down, the transitions of faces look can at each other in different places. I loved that. Yeah, was this the first episode he directed? I don't know. For those of you at home, Billie Dixon was our director of photography, UM and he had done Ali mclamps. He'd put a lot of lamps. He did a lot of great work. Sorry, I don't mean to reduce that. You can also blame Mark Department for some of the lamps,

you know what I mean, Team Sport. No Billy has an illustrious career. Um, and yes he's done a lot of great work, but this may have been the first time he directed in front of the sorry, behind the actual camera, not just setting up lighting and and stuff.

So um, I thought he did a great job. I love all the transitions and he was so creative, like the CD going into the case, going into the round basketball hoop, you know, and that shot of of Dan and Deb in the hospital room with the city escape and he coming, you know, shooting through the glass with

the reflection, really really creative stuff. That's such a smart way for us to not be in an actual city, use a screen like a printed screen and just use the reflection of it in the glass because it makes it look totally real and you don't have to travel to Raleigh or Charlotte to get that shot. You know. It's such a smart use of your stage. You can build your hospital room on a stage and make it look like it's outside in a downtown area and never

leave the compound. Ever ever, they never happened to leave the compound, you know what. You know, what stuck out to me speaking of the tech that we thought was cool. Who thought any of us ever texted like excellent x C l N T like you know g r E Oh my god. I was like, Haley would never. She's a tutor, she would know that was definitely a grown up like head of the kids talk, the kids juggle

like this. And then I realized, I think they did it to to get the Bill joke when you call Lucas Bill and then you're like, you know, brother in law, which I thought was so Yeah, there was something about that setting that wasn't the parking lot we normally shot in. And they put like those big banners on the chain link fences and you could see kids playing like sports on the field. High school. It felt like a real

high school. This episode seems like that. And the party episode it gave me like all the cult classics of our time, like Can't Hardly Wait and and and um what was the about you? And she's oh yeah, oh, I loved it so much. This episode felt like that to me well, and it also was big core five energy in this episode. That scene in the parking lot where it's the five of us, there were not a

lot of scene I wish it would longer. That gave me like big time warm fuzzies to just see us all together and know that like we just come back from hiatus, this was episode two, Like we're still riding high on like everyone still got a tan from this summer. Those those scenes felt really good to be together, you know, because we knew at that point that we were working on something that had collected an audience and that we

were making a really fun episode. And we also knew that the Nathan and Haley bomb had dropped and was like blowing people's minds, and so it just was really fun to play into that. What was the feedback you got joy as like the wedding stuff unfurled? I well, I think it was still a lot of the same uh, a lot of the same stuff we talked about before, which is what kind of an impact is this going to have on you know, young young people who are

falling in love at that age, um so. And that was still in the era of message boards as uh brutal like and I AM's instant messages when the guy says I am me sometimes so funny. But yeah, so there were message boards and um so, I think that was sort of the chatter at the time. Um, but I were I don't remember in terms of feedback of specifically Nathan and Haley being married young. I know it was.

It was a little hot topic in some magazine blurbs at the time, you know, things that were like, oh, things that are happening on big big news in TV land and different things. Um but I do remember shooting the party scene because it was our that was our first time at Trick. We we got that building, and I didn't remember when we were watching the episode, I didn't remember that that came to be through this through Lucas and the scene with you guys. I had never

seen that before. So shocked. How do we forget that we were like Lucas found Trick like totally. I always thought it was Peyton. I thought it was Peyton too. I guess he gets credit. Thanks. Well, you know what, in your defense, it's not Trick yet, it's just a warehouse party, I would say, I would probably your idea.

It's a rave right now. Out of all of the sets that we filmed in, I have the strongest emotional connection to Trick and so it was really exciting to see it did you guys know that the Trick building is in blue velvet? Really? Yeah? Yeah, it's like a legendary spot in Wilmington's Um. I just loved that building. I love the parking lot. I loved it. It was kind of seed right there on the train tracks on

the edge of town. There's a bar next to it now where my buddy Skyler work Satellite, you know, like it's it's a hangout man. And the fact that our convention friends, friends with Benefit do their conventions out of that space and we get to go back and visit

there means a lot. Um. It's so special walking up that inner stairwell, like when we did our last you can mentioned there and like walking up there holding your hand, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Like I felt like I should be back in that pink top. Oh my god, the best top ever. Why didn't I keep you tight outfits in this episode? Yeah, it looks so cute. The party though, this party was

so I like, it's so retro. I want to throw another one of these parties, like doing some sort of theme Nathan and Haylor anniversary party, their anniversary party. You remember that moment of walking up the stairs of that sense memory? I I do, I do, And I know that I have a million memories of walking up those stairs, but that one in particular, I don't necessarily remember all

the details. But I it's weird watching it. It's a convert like my my, sorry, my brain and um, the image that I'm seeing on screen and the feeling that I had in my body when I was in that, you know, finally converge and connect. And so I remembered standing there with everybody shooting off their confetti little mini handheld confetti cannons and silly string um, and seeing all those faces and the smell of the place. Uh. And yeah, I just I just remembered that moment. I could feel

it again. It was really cool. Do you guys remember I don't know why we didn't just like tent the building, but for whatever reason, like when we would film there, it would be from like six o'clock at night to six o'clock in the morning, and we essentially had like slumber parties there and we'd leave trick as the sun was coming up, and like going down those rickety stairs, you know, six o'clock in the morning, that green room in the back, that green room off to the side

with a couple of couches, and like, if you could get to that couch before anybody else did, you got to take a nap. Otherwise you were stuck with your cast chair. I just remember Craft Service being set up in the downstairs of Trick and like it's been freezing in there and drinking gallons and gallons of coffee in that place. Yeah, yeah, what were your favorites? I mean Trick for sure. And then I will say, you know, I had such an attachment to Karen's Cafe because Karen's

became close over Bros. I loved the River Court, but you never knew what you were going to get, and it wasn't easy to move around because of the gravel around the trailers and the mud and the mosquitoes and the cold. So I loved the location as a visually, I loved it. But you know what I did like, I liked whenever we shot outside downtown, walking around in

the streets. I was just going to say that front and market, like whenever we got to do stuff at those little shops or down by the loved I always loved that, and then we could always run into edge of urge. We we'd like go to Phoenix and get a hummus plate. I loved Yes, I loved it. But you know, the thing about great about Trick too, is that you always kind of knew what you were going to get because they had they figured eventually they figured

out the temperature situation. So they had a c pumping into the building on hot days, and they had heat coming in on the cold and even Yeah, and on the cold days, actually, you pack enough people in there, you just shut the doors and you don't have to turn anything on. Everybody just body heat warms up the whole place. Wait, whose body heat were you absorbing? Enjoy I was always cold. Yeah, I don't know. I guess Trick was probably my favorite too. I really enjoyed being there.

We just we have such special memories there and I don't know, like you were saying that that feeling of your memory and it's like your memory comes out of the back of your head and your heart is swelling up and there it's like already here. It's very emotional and I don't know, the seeing how it started is so sweet. We have to talk about the fake cough because trick trick begins with this amazing Brooke and Peyton joke and the call back to the fake off at

the party that killed me. You guys, I loved it. I think you talked about how I really like a Brooke and Peyton two on one, and we do it throughout the course of the show. You know, we're yeah, you clearly see the footing of this friendship. It's like, okay, like we're on one side, you're on the other. Lucas is definitely on the other side of this. I are so out of his when he's not even wearing real shoes. Um, I mean, the flip flops were killing me. But by

the way, I remember chat about flip flops in real life. Like, bro, you're on a film set, you gotta wear real shoes. They dropped all the time, you know. Um, But back then, like flip flops were cool. Remember everybody had like rainbows. Yeah, especially in a beach town. Remember the huge Um so I love that. The only thing we could think of to get out of this letter burning conversation with Lucas was a fake call. Peyton is not a clever girl. No, but it No, I no I disagree. I love it.

It's such a funny. It's such a classic comedic device, and and you get with no exposition that it's a joke between the two of them. And it's so funny to me that it's like that's the thing you did or the fake call, and then so Brookie uses it on Peyton at the end, you're just like, oh man, it can't it just knt? But how awkward? You know, it's like they call him the nameless one or has he done? What's he done? Really? That's that bad? I feel like he's apologized three hundred times. How does he

know that you didn't read the letter? Well, he doesn't know till the end, but like, just because we're being so awkward about it, I think he can just see that we're like, yeah, no, the letter was fine, and he's like no, but even asking the question in the first place, like why would he know to like, what was it that was giving it away that he went You guys didn't read the letter. We didn't cry joy, We didn't cry because his words moved our hearts. You

guys want to talk about Devin dan Man. They are projecting oh yeah, big time. They are just projecting onto Nathan and Haley so much and godes Dan is too. For our listeners. When we watched the show together, we're all in different places, and you know, we all hit play at the same time. So if you miss something, it's kind of hard to be like, Okay, everybody stopped, let me rewind, let me watch it again. You just you just keep going. So I missed. I don't know.

My brain was distracted. What was the doctor saying about Dan? Why is he suddenly nice? What happened? Girl? He had a heart attack. I mean, it wasn't like some sort of brain I feel like he was trying to say, there's some something happened where now he's like can't remember, he's got some kind of amnesia or he's got some

kind of something. It's teen drama doctor talks, so if he plays a doctor on TV, tell us so let me let me tell you what the way I took it, and I thought it was a little unclear as well, But I thought deb was basically like, what is going

on with him? And he was saying, well, his disposition is positive and whatever, and you know he was saying all these words you've never heard Dan Scott described as so much to the point that I can't remember what they were and I didn't put them on my notes, but basically saying like he's empathetic and and happy, and she's just just like what, like is this gonna last? Um? You know, everyone is like did he have a stroke?

Like we're very confused, confused and even that, but like now that hearing Whitey was like trying to get Keith to go back and try and reconcile again. That was so out of character. I didn't understand that part. I understand why it doesn't everybody just tell Dan to screw GHO, screw hmself and leave. It'll leave everybody away. I love feisty Joy Joy Joy. You have had it up to your eyeballs with toxic relationships and you are like out in the world with a flamethrower, just like take it down,

get out the Dan of it all. Like we've seen Dan drinking whiskey out of his glass in every episode ever, and in this episode he's like eating hospital jello. You know, like every single choice was to kind of emasculate and um, yeah,

to like defang him. Yeah, even seeing him in the hospital gown at the beginning we talked about was like a choice because he's really vulnerable and like, um, I like seeing Dan on his heels, But I also know it's bullshit because the second Deb comes in and he's crying, He's like, baby, we got this. We're gonna call it together.

You called it, you said in the early part of the episode, you said, he's giving me major Anakin Skywalker vibes where he goes dark and then when and when he's holding Deb and he says, we'll get our son back. I was like, I'm just your father. He's Anakin Skywalker. Yeah. Sure. Oh. Joy called it when Keith goes to visit Karen because Joys like, this energy is different. Um. Yeah, there was

some new chemistry there, chemistry. Maybe it was like maybe it was the fact that Keith had allowed himself to really like well, not that he's not slept with anybody else in the last thirty years, but I guess it was fifteen years. Um, I don't know, but there was something about it seemed like maybe pheromones leaving town. Yeah, just taking a stand. Yeah, suddenly he feels a little more free and he's not quite so puppy doggish with Karen.

That is much more appealing, and she and I loved those shots again, Billy Dixon with the great directing of shooting Karen low beneath when you're over Keith's shoulder looking down at Karen, and then when you're behind karen shoulder looking up at Keith and you can see the tall masculine vibe from him and that small feminine vibe from her. It was just it was a nice It was this

quick scene, but it was nice. It was interesting, it was flirty, and it's a really interesting thing to be able to observe because you realize that, you know, they always made us all stand on apple boxes, so it would be easy to shoot around, like we were all the same height, and none of us are as tall as those boys. We actually had very tall boys on our show. That's rare, very tall, super rare. It is really rare. Yeah, So there was something really interesting in that,

in that dynamic, like I want to look little. I always look like Lurch. I'm always yeah, I want to look little. Damn it, someone give the Bambi. I. It's just interesting because Keith in a way has set a boundary, you know, he finally established a boundary between him and Karen, and Karen sees him differently now and then, speaking of boundaries and flamethrowers, Hayley sets a gauntlet of a boundary down with dev and I'll do you remember filming that scene?

I do in a I do in a way. I don't remember the exactly any of the behind the scenes stuff, but yeah, I mean, I love that scene. I love that she's willing to be extending all of branch, be nice, be generous up to a point um, but then she's fierce and defend defends her family, and I loved that about her. Joy. Do you know what I remember about

filming that scene? What it was one of the first times I remember you saying we need to have a conversation about this because you were upset that Nathan wasn't backing Haley up while we were filming. You were like, hackme, Nathan doesn't say like anything to his mother, And I remember thinking, like, yes, you don't remember that. You were like, You're like, he's really just going to stand there and make and just like watch his mother is like berating

his new wife, Like that is gross. And I remember thinking, girl, why did they make us do all the work? Why did they do that? And I was so happy that you said that, And I don't know that you necessarily won that fight. And I think, you know, Haley looked strong in this episode standing up for herself, but I also really value that you were like, no, it's not on me to put your mother into her place. This

is a US situation. So for all of you at home, you're right, Yeah, I remember that fight and I liked it. I love that. It would have been nice, actually, and that could have easily been done. They could have shot a quick glance where I look at Nathan and he doesn't do anything, and then I'm like okay, and then I jump in, or and then they have a fight about it later. Or they could have shot a moment where Nathan starts to talk and I put just touch him with my hand and I'm like, I'd like to

address this and then I handle it. But just something to where Nathan not just standing there like a Putts. But you know, they're teenagers. He is a boy, and we we said that during the episode. You know, Deb's like, he's not a man, he's a boy. And that was probably the truest line for me in this little Native because as the mother of a boy, no one better

touch him ever ever. Ever. Um, I thought Barbara was handling all that really well, by the way, because it was nice to see after how much we talked about in the first season, how much she had everything together and was handling everything and it was starting to spin out towards the end of season one, but she was such a beacon of a woman with her together in the first season, So to see everything kind of spinning out and really seeing all the cracks start to show,

I really liked that. And I thought barb as an actress handled that really well. It's nice to see that. Yeah,

And and it is really nice too. I do think that um, her reaction grounds the experience, and it also enables everyone else's joy, Like if everyone was just happy about it, it wouldn't have felt as as real or high stakes, I think, and her being the character who struggled with it enabled you know, Haley's parents to then be these supporters and oh my god, Huey lewis giving that speech at the end about you know, you can drive at sixteen, go to war at eighteen, drink it

twenty one, and he goes on and on, and you know, how old do you have to be before your love is real? And I was just like, oh, what a sweet dad. And you know, if dev hadn't have had a terrible reaction, then that wouldn't have Maybe it wouldn't have been necessary, but it might not have as meaningful either. I loved Bess Armstrong and Huey Lewis in this episode so much, them snuggling with her with Haley on her

bed when she comes home. Um, great parenting advice. I loved the way that they cuddled and snuggled and we're like, we are here for you. But also, you're you chose this and you gotta fly the fly the coop. You're you're done with being the baby now. Um, we really see where Hayley got her ability to set great boundaries, which I loved and I just they're so cool. They're like, those are the kind of parents I want to be.

And by the way, best is someone who I've stayed in touch with and who I've had lunches and dinners with, and um, she is such a generous, kind, open hearted, smart woman, Like I couldn't ask for a better TV mom. That's somebody you can just get advice from and who's been through a lot in her own life and has seen all angles of this business. And I just love her. We love you best, the best. Come on the show, Come give us some of these please we can here

a babe. They were great wish fulfillment parents after seeing all these kids with either broken homes or no parents at all. Um, to see that and to be able to just kind of like feel warm in it, it was so nice, and it made the end of the episode really painful to know that it's not gonna stick around. When they announced that they're leaving, it feels like a cheat. It's like, oh, we just got this really comfortable sweater and now we have to take it back, like noo um.

Huey Lewis. By the way, So I got this T shirt in third grade, Huey Lewis and the News T shirt. It was the Sports Pages album and I wore that thing until it was see through. I mean absolutely Ce did, and I brought it to set while we were filming this episode and he's I was like, I feel like such a nerd, but will you sign my T shirt?

I've had it since I was eight, And she was like, I'm going to teach you a trick real fast, and he he somehow like held the T shirt so it would be like super flat and tight so he could sign it. And he's like, this is an old tour trick. And it was just such a cool thing to see him go back into like lead singer mode, you know, to like go from dad mode to like so cool. He's a cool dude, man. Yeah, what a babe. What an amazing, amazing opportunities our job affords us these strange

moments with heroes, with heroes. Yes, it's really cool. Well to see him do the fake brook set up a good party. Let's talk about Brooks party tricks. Walk us there. They were very sweet. Okay, what did we do? Elevator? The elevator thing, Oh my god. I loved My first my first and favorite thing of the night actually was the board that Peyton did with Nathan and Haley's baby photos.

That's super cute. Love that. That just killed me. And there was something so sweet about having those photos on that board and then the big photos of the two of them from the wedding on the stage and you sort of see the motion of a life and these people and I just loved it. But yeah, Brooks party tricks Brook and Peyton through a good party. Let's let's actually clarify that just made the mixtape. Baby, you know

we we did good. We did good. But I loved like temporary tattoo stations with Nie Forever, and I loved you know, everyone make your elevator list and then if you if you have it in common. This is what's so funny. There is no brook Is. Like again, the men who wrote our show wrote this episode where Brooke is essentially violating Peyton's consent the entire episode, taking horrible pictures of her. It's such a terrible moby. It's the worst.

And then weirdly, models are really good consent rule for a hook up, and it's like you're only allowed to hook up with someone if you each have each other on your list. And I was like, yeah, what is this? Like we're in, We're out, We're in. What is this? We're still figuring it out. Early two thousand's were dicey, man, we were still figuring it up. But you know, I will say, you want to kiss somebody in the elevator who wants to kiss you? I still stand by it.

Have a good time. Hey, Hey, this spin the body was actually really cute. Level five, the Level five elevator that would always get stuck was ground zero for lots of debauchery in town. Did you ever because anybody in the elevator, really, I don't think. I didn't know that. I thought that elevator would get stuck all the time and you'd just be in there. Honestly, I think the only person I ever got stuck in that elevator with was you. So that's a missed opportunity. The guys. It

was a big freight elevator. It was the elevator that they brought all the equipment up on, So they would load all the camera equipment, the lights and everything up on this freight elevator and then and then you know, buzz it up to the second floor. But I know it was always yeah, the trick elevator. No, Hillary is talking about the elevator at level five Downtown. Maybe we had five levels to get stuck. Oh, that elevator was really tiny. That was a scary elevator, but also apparently

a sexy one so sexyvator. I will say, I did I agree with you, Joy, I love spin the body. I think that's actually very cute and how cute is mouth? Yes, yes, yes, he's he's so sweet. And everyone's telling everyone who their elevator listed, and he says Brooke, And it's like they love each other so much that it's just a cute moment with them. It doesn't make it weird, it doesn't make it sexy, it doesn't. No one's annoyed. I I just keep coming back to like, man, this episode feels carbonated,

like it's bubbly and alive. We had the River Court boys back, you know, I was just gonna say that, finally we got Vaughan got V eight spray cheese off of Antoine's shoulder. That's the best thing anyone's ever done on our show. It was brilliant. Yeah, they add so much to it. And to see all like the basketball players at the party, to see our cheerleading friends dancing like Bevin being and Daniella and she's a good dancer, She's she's a good party girl, Bev. Yeah, I think

she's still got it too. So this anniversary party is gonna be freaking off the chain. Um Whitey showing up at the party was very um and bringing a baby gift so inappropriate. Oh, my god. Honestly though, I was like, see, look,

it's not just broken thinks. But by the way, you did a very good job of when you realize that the Joy is really not pregnant, Haley is not pregnant of kind of that realization like, oh, people actually just love each other and don't get you know, sideswiped into situations.

It's crazy, really nice moment. I loved that moment between us. Yeah, because Haley's Haley is trying to like make something makes sense to Brooke, and Brooke is realizing that there doesn't have to be a device or a gimmick, and she's never had that model for her and that's certainly not you know what she went through with Lucas and Peyton and that letter that they and so it's it's it's such a short scene between us, but it's really really touching.

You guys were both really good at this um keeping the there was always no matter what was going on, you know, with Peyton, it was the the tough, hard rye exterior. With Brooke it was the bubbly excitement, pushing the buttons exterior. But you always kept the fragility of the little girl and what these even as you were women, and when we jumped ahead four years. Both of you are always really good at being able to switch those

moments from whatever the facade was into the real vulnerability. Um, And I think that's one of the things that made your character so interesting, that that you just never knew at any moment that fragility could pop up to the surface. Well, Joy, you're good at that too. Your low tier in this episode during h Lewis's toast, was like the killer, that was the killer. But don't you guys feel like that

in real life? Like, honestly, I don't know what thinking that I've gotten eleven year old son and I have. I've been having all these conversations with him, and there's sometimes where I feel like we're the same age, do you know what I mean? Like on the inside, I still feel like I'm a middle schooler, and so that

little girl thing still pops up in real life. Yeah, I mean, I think I think that's the reality for so many of us, is you know, you get older and you start to learn like what what all the sort of teenagers and younger versions of yourself that you still carry are And you're like, oh wow, I kind

of have to pay. Aren't all these versions of myself so I can be an adult and so I can be a real parent, and so you know, the list goes on, and yeah, I feel that I still sometimes sit and go into that young girl who goes, is it me to what? You're the one who's not supposed to be here? Am I in trouble? Like? And I do. I think that's that I don't know that piece of us that maybe we carry forever. Well. The secret of the universe is that the grown ups don't know the answers,

and Karen says that. Karen says, I have no roadmap for you, Lucas, I'm figuring it out myself, and I think that's where I'm at in my life right now. I'm just like, there's no map, Like what are we doing? I mean, we have all these paths of people who have gone before us where you you and you find patterns where you're like, okay, eventually A plus B plus C is going to equal X. And so we know that pretty much no matter who you are, you are in life, if you go down these roads, it's not

going to lead to something great. Or if you go down these other roads, this is the pattern of success for a lot of drugs is what I'm saying. You know what, That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just say no. But unless it's mushrooms, so we'll get back to that. You're welcome. But but yeah, you know,

there is no roadmap for you. I mean there's a there's a general sense of like, here's the direction if you if you go east, you're gonna go east, but there's no specific like there's a compass, not a map figuring it out. We've got a compass. It's a compass, not a map. There you go. Do we want to answer some questions? Yeah? Actually I love this, Tiana asked.

And this does feel incredibly appropriate given today's chat. Would you react more like Dan and Deb or like Hayley's parents if your child told you they wanted to get married at a young age. Oh, this is my worst nightmare? Yeah, which, which unless I really liked the kid, which one of my kid. Because here's the deal. If someone thinks they

can handle my daughter, congratulations. I tell everybody. I'm like, she is the greatest weapon I've ever created in my life, Like she is payback for everything because she is so strong and so ferocious. So if someone thinks they can handle George Morgan, good luck. Um yeah, yeah, I would definitely be best in that situation. But I totally understand Debeah.

My son is such a sensitive animal, and I'm sure she had those moments with Nathan when he was a little boy, you know, and that's what she's She's not seen older Nathan, She's seen baby Nathan, the kids she

was looking at that picture, of course. I mean I think about that, like the first thing that comes to mind is anxiety, and the second thing that comes to mind is me thinking, well, your prefrontal cortex isn't done developing until you're twenty six, So no, you have to wait until at least take it from those of us who were idiots in our early twenties, just wait until your twenties, Like ring you can have what I'll send you somewhere on a trap. I don't know, you know,

it gives me a lot of anxiety. But then, and I think I told this story last week, like I look at my my sweet cousin and she's blissfully happy, and you know they got married in their early twenties, So I all I know is that I don't know jook At Romeo and Juliet. I mean, you know their parents were totally disapproving and they did teenagers do they

want to do? They find a way? So I think that's where it comes into knowing your kid and knowing what your limits are with their independence and where you know, at what point do you know that they're going to need an ally more than they need um your strong word or your discipline. So I think I mean my knowing my kid, I probably would come in real strong, but just to like to be really clear about how I feel. But then I would also have to come around because I don't want her like just running off

and disappear. You know, at the end of the day, if she's going to choose what she's going to choose, she's going to need my help. She's going to need me to be an ally for her as things progress. Can we just make a pact right now that if that happens to any of us, like we just run to Joy's house and let her make us a very stiff drink, or like if it if it's you, will just run to you and just bring all the liquor.

You're in charge bring at all um. Alicia asks how did you prepare for the scenes where you had to show emotion and cry and also does it take a while to come out of the deep emotion afterwards? You guys have anything to say? I mean, I I don't,

I just I just cry. I don't know, I I It's kind of what we were talking about before, where the fragility of life and the things that um the grounded nous of the things that you feel the weight of as a human throughout your day or your life, that you just carry those with you And that's the gift of a storyteller. I guess we're able to access those points and release them ah upon command generally. Yeah, Sophie and I are both cancers. We cry all the time.

You know. The answers are just like super emotional people. I didn't think that my body was keeping score of all the crying that I was doing on One Tree Hill. And Cheryl Lee, who plays Ellie later in the show, warned me about this. She was like, yes, she was like, your brain knows that it's bulls, your body doesn't. And she's like, and you're doing all sorts of crazy stuff on this show. You know, and we hadn't even hit

Pete crazy yet. Um. And yeah, it's like my body, my sense memories of being on the show our trauma because there was just like tears and tears and tears, and you know, your body releases chemicals, your brain releases chemicals when you're going through all of that. So I tried to counter it by being super fun party girl outside of work. I think I was just really tired all the time. You can only stay up till two in the morning, so many nights in a row, um,

before all the catches up. Yeah. Yeah, it is a really interesting thing to understand the kind of physiology of your body and the toll that this work takes. You know, people think being an actor is glamorous, and it's it's a lot of physical work and oftentimes a lot of emotional torture. And we love it because we love to tell stories. I mean, you said it, joy. We we are storytellers. It is it is who we are. You

you are or you're not. And and for me, I think, you know, when I was younger and had a lot more anxiety about being able to perform on command, being a good girl, doing the good job. It if that would be the thing that would kind of impede me. So I would try to take time. I like to make playlists for different projects, and I'd try to like get away from the noise, you know, the joking on set, like put some headphones in, like be in a space.

And it's interesting because I think as I've gotten older and been to more therapy and unpacked just more things, and given myself more permission to feel how I feel rather than how I think everyone else in the room expects me to feel or behave all the time, it's much easier to let caveat with good writing. So let the writing take me to the place. Because good writing

you have to your point. You know, whether it's cancerrian or just comes from empathy, you have a response to it because it feels really grounded and something real and and yeah, I think the thing I'm still trying to figure out is is how do you process the after effect? How do you get that stuff out of your body?

You know, animals and the wild go through trauma and then they lay on the ground and they shake really violently for like ten or fifteen minutes, and then they get up and they hop or run away like humans, don't do that, So how do we get it out

of us? I think this is probably why I was like the healthiest when I was also like dancing regularly when I was in the ASA, but you know, like on my last job, to your point, Hillary, like I was in Peyton world, it was like trauma, sadness, death, murder, violence, crying all the time, and I couldn't I couldn't talk

to people. I couldn't be touched by strangers. Somebody grabbed me once on the street, like grabbed me by the back of the arm, not meaning to be creepy, but like I turned around an elbowed guy almost in the face, Like it was such a knee jerk reaction. Did he still want a picture? And he was like, oh god, I'm so sorry. I mean, he was at least a wise enough person to be like, I really shouldn't have done that, But it took me a long time to get that stuff out of my body. And so yeah,

I don't know. I'm like listeners at home, do you have any any tips for movement medicine for us gals, anything we can share with the rest of the audience. We're just gonna have to dance it off honestly that I'm ready for dance it off. We're going to Joyce, we're bringing the booze. We're having a whether any of

our children want to get married hily or not. Yeah. Well, I think that's why we appreciate these kinds of episodes where there is a lot of joy, like we're having like a ton of fun in these episodes, because we know we know that they were pleasant to film. Um, yeah, we had a good time. So thanks for those questions. Great, y'all want to spend a weeks guys, I think we should's that wheel come on now? Most likely to get it?

What do we got? Moved to a foreign country? Who's most likely to move to a most Karen moved to Italy? And then didn't she go yeah, yeah with with with Kieren Andy? What was his name? Andy hot Andy? Yeah? Yeah huh? And do that accent again, joy on my Australian accent. Well it's not right, No, I can't do it when I'm when I'm hold on British. It's so

easy to creme. You got to get some coffee in the South creme and you know I've got these Christmas cookies, But you can't can't really enjoy Christmas and the hate can be a kin. I've never been to Australian in the winter. In the winter, that's a sexy. No, I'd still kiss you. I like it. It's really close. Joy. I would say, you're the person in real life who would move to a form like I can see you going to live in Austria. Yeah, you know, going to

live in France, like wherever you were learning Italian? Weren't you French? That was funny. I have I know a little Italian, but yeah, I love languages and I'm I love I love just different cultures. I'm so interested in the way other people live and how they interact with each other and the earth and spirituality. And I almost didn't come back from Italy this summer. I was like, you guys should just but you had the most magical

trip ever, like you had like a fairy tale. It was great, but it's like, you know, so much of my face Emily's there, and I was just like, I don't know, man, maybe we should just do this. Maybe I'll like makee if there's a soap opera in Italy that wants to hire the three of us, Oh my god, I would love call us Let's go. Yeah, I just want to want to wear cool outfits and all black and somebody send us on a drink coffee all the European tour. I want to drink coffee all day and

wine all night and eat pasta. You guys, this was a fun episode. I love your faces. So if I want you to go to sleep and get some red to enjoy, you don't enjoy being home? Yeah? Yeah, I'm so happy to be home. You know who's coming over today who I've never met before, Kimbra What. She's such a Please give her a hug for me. Yeah, I mean I don't know where, but you can hug her for me too. I've known her for a long time. She's an angel and yeah for years. Yeah, we m god.

I think we met the summer I turned thirty. She's the best. She's really good friends with Kenny who directed our music video. Yeah, he directed video. One of my best best friends. And she is a huge one. Sweet. That's so cool. I love that she's brilliant. I mean I've been a huge fan of her music for many, many years, so many years, like truly truly a genius. Oh, I'm so excited, Please write us a song. Yeah, she needs to finish our theme song. That's what she got.

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