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You guys, Season six, Episode six, Messing with the Kid.

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Some of us think it was awesome. Some of us think it was a dumpster fire. But we were gonna find middle ground because there was some cute in this episode from October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Ready to Go, Would you guys?

Love and hate?

Oh?

I liked this episode.

I was surprised you said you didn't like it.

You know what.

I like parts of it, but this is my overall and the fans. I have seen your feedback. I know

Can you remind them all in one episode?

Yeah?

I mean maybe they were focused more on the on the comedy, because there were a lot of quips and a lot of jokes, and I mean a lot of good one liners and stuff. So I'm wondering if maybe they were just like, we just need a funny, light episode, and so they gave it to Haro and Strauss and said, please just make this funny, and so that's really the only thing it seemed like they were focused on.

Run.

Yeah, I also get the sense like because the humor and the equips and everything I really enjoyed. I thought some of the comedy in this episode was great, and then the things that started to kind of turn into that, like w want, what are we doing? Why are we doing exposition together over coffee?

Yeah? You guys are best friends? You? Yeah?

Like it.

I liked the way the scene started and then I went, oh, wait, are we just going to volley? The same compliment back and forth, and it it felt to me like one of those I don't know. The thing that it lit up in my brain was, is this a bridge episode to remind like maybe the fans who started in five or six of some things, because there's some stuff coming, Like I get that sense that maybe they're trying to lay pipe for something. I don't know.

Did you just say lay pipe?

Oh my god, I meant late payment. It was. It was in my head.

I was doing the road. Oh boy, that would have been a better episode.

It's really early and I had clearly not had this coffee yet.

Poor Lucas couldn't lay pipe this. Oh my god. I loved it. Let's talk about your storyline. I loved it. It was it was my favorite.

It was really nice. Here's what I have to say about this. Because every relationship needs levity, it needs jokes, it needs you have to laugh with each other.

It was great.

I don't think i've ever seen Peyton belly laugh on this show.

No never, that was the first time.

Yeah, and like, you can't have a relationship sustained on drama and ups and downs and trauma bonding and all the like, we have to know why they actually like each other's company. Yeah, And I.

Saw it weird episode to watch with your son.

He just like Jeff's Jeff's in the city with George and so Gus like wandered in this morning while I was watching the episode and was like, what's this And I was like, I don't remember, kid. I'm like, once you're in, you're in. And for him, he's seen this couple play the way he sees his dad and I play. Where you know, anything that's high stress in our household we make a joke out of and that's how we keep things light and cool. So for him, that looked

A T shirt, but.

It was it was cool to see him be like, oh, this couple is a no brainer. He likes Lucas and Peyton together and so as a palette cleanser after this episode, because I was a little wah wah afterwards, especially with the freeze frame on Jamie at the very end, which was so dog.

I was like, Gus, do you want to watch the pilot.

Because he's you know, he's a theater kid and he wants to get back into basketball and he's been talking about it all week, and I was like, watch the pilot, see what happens, and for him to watch the big beginning of Peyton and Lucas this morning and can jump up out of his seat when Lucas hits the game winning shot in the pilot and like tells Peyton, I'll be seeing you.

The child jumped off the couch.

It was a horrible And then to watch this episode where like Peyton and Lucas are now together and everything's great. It was cool to watch the magic of this relationship unfold for a brand new set of eyes. And to your point, I like that there was fun in this episode.

I like that.

Maybe we didn't have the budget to do one of our big, big, big episodes, so we just brought everybody into house Arrest. We're all just Sophia opened that door so many times in the summers.

Who's behind door number two?

The Brook Davis apartment door got a workout house arrest.

We've all been. We were all on house arrest for years with our people.

Okay, but I really want to know because we're talking about joy. You and I are talking about what we enjoy about seeing Hillary and Chad like laugh together and play together and have these jokes. But you are what don't you like about it?

Yeah?

Why don't you like that?

Is it that it feels like a device and you and you guys managed to make the device good in the pages?

Yes, so the whole like shtick of I read an article and it was clear to me that women had no say in this script, like Peyton freaking out about this article and like, oh no, bla, Like I remember thinking it was dumb when we were doing it, and I even said to Gus while we were watching it, I was like, look, this is how actors take something that they think is dumb and commit to it in such a way that you were in your paycheck.

And so we did work really hard.

To make it fun. And what I liked is that Chad and I made the choice together because remember having a conversation that we were never going to be mad at each other, Like there was a little bit like are you going to get irritated with each other, and.

It was like, no, the oh, he's good. Like each each volley of the.

War of the Roses was an opportunity to impress one another with our creativity, and so that felt fun. But then like Haley getting into a physical altercation with the mom at school, and I was waiting the way that all the women were talking in.

This episode that it was clear there was not a female executive anywhere to be seen.

Guys, sweet Kelsey coming back. The joy of seeing Gigi and then having her be like, I'm just having lots of sex and I wish I'd had sex with you, and I also have sex with girls. I was like, what eight year old boy wrote this? Yeah, like, women don't talk that way, and if we want to flirt with someone who were like, man, I've had a you know, really should have done this differently the last time I had a shot like, we're not gonna talk like that way.

More coated and clever. Women are so much more clever than all this just like blatant.

Wowow, it was great seeing her face on the screen. I was sure I was happy to see her, but yeah, I really wish they had given her something a little more interesting to do.

Yeah, everybody like looked good in this episode. Where did we all come from? Everyone's kind of like tan and in a good mood.

I have that note too. I was like, I have a tan, Hillary's got a tan.

You were all glowy.

Oh yeah, Lee had a tan. You had fresh highlights, Hill, So if you had a haircut.

Yeah, did we have a hiatus?

Maybe we had a hiatus.

It aired at the end of October, which means if we were six weeks ahead in shooting mid September. I mean, what a dreamy time in Wilmington. It's still hot enough to go to the beach, but it's not so humid that you think you're gonna die when you're outside.

And the tourists are gone.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe this was one of those years where we were all just like on the beach on the weekends.

Yeah.

I think so those were good times.

They were. And it's interesting because that that spirit of play that like you can kind of see on everybody's faces and how you're talking about you two really wanted to make sure you kept it playful instead of bickering, especially because the device of like, oh, a woman's read something and now she's upset, is like, yeah, so it so it's like so victorian and dumb.

Yeah Victorian, you know what I mean?

Like, oh, the woman has learned to read and now she's on the fainting couch, Like, what is this going on? Stupid? I hate it.

That's what irritated me. I couldn't articulate it.

Yeah, yeah, it's very pedantic, but I will say you you guys infused play into it and Joy, you said it. Watching Peyton Belly laugh is fun watching for me, remembering the sort of this kind of like frustrated comedy with good one liner as I got to do in brook

Yeah, I think it's totally I mean, I don't know, Hill, I thought it was totally reasonable that they would she would be goofing around. I think it was it went too far in the direction of what you're talking about.

You know what I liked you fine?

Oh good? Oh good. What I will say I liked about it, even though I hate the Victorian nature of it all, is that what it does allow sometimes when you don't know how to have an uncomfortable conversation with someone, you know. Remember, parents used to say this to us about watching our show with their kids. This helps me talk to them about relationships. It helps me talk to them about sexuality, helps me talk to them about drinking.

And oh, thank god, I was so happy, Peyton, please not sleep finally.

Wait, did we ever read the synopsis?

Oh?

Shoot, we did. We so fired up about this. All right, all right, we're going to give it to you now. So these were all just teasers.

Those were teasers for you. Somebody read this thing.

Season six, episode seven, Messing with the Kid air date October twenty of two thousand and eight. Nathan and Haley Mu's parent Jamie in the face of a school bully, while Lucas and Peyton adjust to life as a living couple. Brooke finds being a role model not as easy as she expected, and Marvin tries to get his old job back. I love their story.

I did too. Thank god.

Peyton wanted to move into the Karen's bedroom, the master bed.

That's all I'm gonna say.

It was needed, you know.

The only other episode that Gus had ever seen before was when Lindsey was living with Lucas, and there was an episode where she's asleep in bed and he's like dinking around at the typewriter, like watching her sleep.

And even my child was like, why are they in his childhood bedroom? That's weird. And so I like that Peyton is messing with him. Oh, I remember what it was. So the whole thing about Lucas not being able to like get it up so funny.

I remember that was like a thing because Chad was he committed to it.

He played it really really well.

But I remember it feeling like a dig and I remember, like, you know, when you're like a young stud actor on TV and your storyline is that you can't perform. He committed to his job, but it wasn't fun for him.

That's embarrassing, Like it's an embarrassing thing. But it was in his mom's bedroom. Like I get it.

I get it, I get it. I one hundred percent get it. But you know, sometimes when we would get thrown those storylines where you're like, oh, I know there, yes, Phil, he was a very good sport about it, which made me laugh even harder. I mean, I'm like, I legitimately had a great time doing those scenes because he was so butt hurt that I was laughing.

Yeah, the end of it when he calls like, I'm gonna call Lindsay and you're like, I mean, if you think that would.

Help, Yeah, fine, you should call her. I love how unthreatened Peyton is by Lindsay.

Yeah, that was really that was a good move. That was a power move.

I liked it. But I think my favorite thing was Fergie coming in at the end.

Yes, every time I see those rivercourt boys, they're so funny.

Yeah, like Junk checking his phone to see how he got a text.

Yeah, those little moments were so gold. My favorite line of the whole episode was I don't remember ordering bad Italian.

Oh my god, what a weird bit. Take come back, like the owen of it all.

I feel like that's also one of those storylines where I don't if Joe had started working on True Blood or what was going on, but he just disappeared, and then Stephen was back, but then Steven disappeared. Now Joe's back. I feel like it must have had something to do with availability, because I can't imagine they would have just

I liked it.

I thought it was really fun. It was another sort of bantery one uppy, but in a sincere way. And I appreciated that he his characters stepped up and apologized, and I liked it.

Joe and I always had really good chemistry, Like, we always had so much fun working together. We laughed a lot, and I think there's a when Brook and Owen played tension, it was it was always just really fun for us to be like, how are we going to dial this one up? And yeah, there's something about that volley when it's a little spicy that then when someone pierces that with some vulnerability, really chooses to share something, that the energy changes. It's like the ball stops mid air in

She absolutely does after all that, and then he just bails and sends Chase over instead.

Yeah, stupid stupid. Gust didn't like it.

God, because Brooke lays out such a strong case right and is like you did this and this and this and this and this and just reads him the riot act and is clear and not emotional but just like super factual about the way things played out and how cruel and immature it was.

Yeah, And his answer.

Is you're right, I'm sorry, and then he offers up a whole bunch of excuses and Gus was like, I do not care about his heroin problems and what does it have to do with anything? Like, Gus was just so put off, Like who wrote this? They thought that was a good apology? And so I love seeing things through the perspective of these young Like when I showed.

Him Breakfast Club, he was like, this is repulsive.

What did he think would be a sufficient apology? Did he venture to say?

Yeah? Because I think it went straight into flirting. It was like, you're right, and I'm sorry. You want to come see me tonight?

Yeah, I won't run away next time.

Yeah, it wasn't.

It didn't feel sincere to him because there was still like a flirtation in.

It instead of it like attached.

I mean, I think Gus wanted him to understand the gravity of it, you know where it's like you if you stand me up for a date saying, you know what, you're right, I'm sorry. But if you ghost someone who's going through like trauma like Rachel has odd in Brooks apartment. Her mother is trying desperately to destroy her. She just moved to town, she's on her own, her best friend just moved out and left her.

She lost this baby she wanted.

Does Really that's when you say I'm so fucking sorry, that's like you bring it into like the depths of sorry.

Well my little feminist son was not impressed.

Well, and this really that's so cool. And really what this is is it does feel like one of those TV moments where they're like, let's wrap it up in a bow, and it would be so much cooler to let it sit and then have him ask her out in six oh seven.

Yeah, they can't afford six eight, six o nine.

Crazy.

Yeah, Yeah, I.

Think you're absolutely right. Yeah, that's that's how that's how real life works. You just want to see a sincere moment, a sincere apology, somebody just being genuine, and it takes time, take it takes time.

The chemistry is great though, like you too, I think like there's.

No need to draw it out because the audience just wants to see you guys back in a friendly space. Yeah, and so let's not belabor it. This is just it's just the Morgan's being nitpicky. You kind of no, but.

I appreciate it. It's really funny. Like I've got I have this friend Tom who's always looking at the women in his life, and he's like, how did we let you all set the bar solo? He gets really upset, And I wrote down taking notes about this, like you know that Brooke is willing to call him out on his avoidance, that she does laundry, list all the facts that you know, the part of me that really prioritizes mental health gets that he has avoidant attachment because he has,

Yeah?

Yeah, that's it, Like he has to do almost nothing, and she's like that might be nice.

Check yes or no, And he wrote, I'm the ale yes, but oh yeah, that's what we've been conditioned to do it.

We're just middle schoolers deep down.

He just booked right over the bar.

Oh yeah, just I'm over here now.

Brooke, however, is some kind of superhero who makes ten capes and in like an owl? Did we notice that?

Yeah?

I loved this parenting. I loved this so hard I've lived it. I loved watching this. And while the men who wrote this episode have never spoken to women before, they're alien to women, they must have experienced some sort of childhood bullying or interaction like this, because this was I loved it.

It was my favorite part.

Yeah.

It goes so much deeper than these options right that we've been taught and that you guys discuss in that first scene. No, you don't hit a bully, you walk away. It's like, so you either get hit or you hit someone. I don't know, man, what's in the middle. And to see the dad figure out the middle, to figure out how to come in and shift the narrative, yeah, and be a hero and let his son be a hero. It was just so sweet. And the fact that it managed to make all the kids be nice to each other.

Yeah, I agree, that's the kind of thing you want to see. That's I liked why Nathan put his power into practice.

I mean, especially because Dan Scott is fucking awesome.

In this episode every line.

I grew up with Dan scott parents, just so you know, Like I had a bully in elementary school and used to make me cry all the time. And my parents were like, well, you know why they're a bully because their dad's aing alcoholic that cheats on their mom. And so they were like, so next time they come for you, you just tell them that. Right.

This is like elementary school and.

Gosh, and it was cruel and unusual, and you grow up and you learn empathy and you're like, oh Christ, like what a nightmare?

Like why would anyone encourage this?

And so with my son, Gus gets bullied all the time, and we have very different conversations about like the trickle down effect of bullying and why it happens and how to avoid it and how to remove yourself from those situations. And so I loved that Nathan could have grown up in this Dan Scott household and been like, we're not going to repeat this cycle. We're going to get creative instead and instead of being a threatening parent, I'm going to.

Be the most fun parent.

I'm going to be the one that shows up and somehow weasels my way into the classroom in the middle of the day.

Nathan's a good death. He's been really figuring it out. I like his I've really been enjoying his storyline the last couple of seasons. The way he's just he's the most steady climber, you know, Like I think Brooke makes huge strides too, but there are more leaps and it's like, I don't I don't play video games, but whatever, the one is where you're like jumping from mushroom to mushroom like.

Mario.

She gets the peaks and valleys. Nathan's really like on the staircase.

He's a steady climber. It's a small increments, it's habitual change, one small step after another. I just love watching him grow.

He's all grown up.

Yeah, but you guys are so hot together, like Haley going back to I'm gonna punch you in your face junior year or senior year in high school. Haley. Yeah, while it doesn't.

Happen in real life, you guys, moms are much more passive aggressive at the pickup line or drop off line. I like seeing Haley, you know, fight, Like, who'd you fight? Didn't you fight Greenberg's ex?

Get that check?

Was it amazing?

I think it's Daniil.

Did I fight Nikky?

No?

I fought Nikky, But did you also fight Niki? Now you know there was somebody else? There was some other girls. She was only in it for an episode. It wasn't Nikki, but she did have black hair I can't remember. And then I also like hit I slapped Rachel. I mean, Hailey's definitely just.

Not or Danil got slapped by everyone.

She does not have a handle on her physical aggression. But this one escalated rather quickly because yeah, I mean I thought Haley was I thought the first thing that mom said, I think it's better if we let them work it out themselves. Actually was like, you know, that's that's reasonable. I probably would do the same thing. I don't know that I would want to get involved yet. But then she just started hitting below the belt and super nasty.

I was like, this just did not.

Go where I thought it was gonna go. And I really didn't remember doing this scene, so I just never tackling this in front of the church. No, totally surprised. It shocked me, but also like that.

Would happen, and it would like that Jamie would just go to school like normal. Yeah, like that's crazy.

Yeah.

This preschool or kindergarten, whatever the hell it is, needs new administration because people are just walking into that bow walk. Kids are getting kidnapped. This joint.

That was something from the last episode I don't think I ever brought up, which was the fact that Dan just picks Jamie up after school and they go off. I'm like, does he this kid not know yet that he can't just go home with anybody that shows up at school. It's like, I'm here to take you home today.

Oh god, Okay, Dan, I just loved him.

Hold on, you should tease him about his alcoholic mother. Scottmen are inherently better.

Yes, and school was never my strong suit either, good thing, we're both handsome.

Just every wrong thing.

That's it. These writers they understood Dan.

My guys, there's gonna be a gold star that goes toward Dan waiting out front and seeing the mother and saying, oh sorry, I'd love to join you for your morning drink. But I'm late for a meeting with my parole officer. Murder, Murder the Windows. They understood that assignment. They understood the dan of it all.

It's really nice to see Paul having so much fun. And it's interesting I'm realizing as we're talking about it that even though their storyline is so fractured, you can tell how much fun James is having in all these scenes, and you can tell how much fun Paul is having in these scenes. And there's something really sweet about these

I mean, maybe scott men are inherent inherently better like the shoe Hits. It sure looks like it.

On that slam ball court, I'm so impressed with James's heat. Takes an assignment and just goes full on, throws himself fully into it. He was having so much fun and I remember him practicing all the time and learning everything, and the boys were having a ball with that court on stage or on our lot.

It was sort of like grown up recess. Yeah, you know, like we don't get recess. And when you're shooting a TV show for our friends at home, you're at work, like you know, there's a two hour pre call and you do like a twelve to fourteen hour shooting day. So especially for the girls, were there like sixteen plus hours. The closest you get to recess is like, I have to pee now, and you run across the sound stages and then on back because you don't want camera to

It was very.

Narnia and you could just walk through this door.

And we had a playground slam Ball Narnia.

So it turned out into like, well, it's gonna take fifteen minutes to relight, and people would just run and jump on trampolines.

I loved that James should be a hot mister Tumnus, like with those goat legs, no shirt coat legs.

I don't really would how that ties into this episode, But it's throwing everything else at the wall.

So why not You're you're having an image and now you want to run with.

That Narnia goat legs on the trapoline. Oh my god, Kish, But yeah, your whole.

Storyline seeing how he gets that little twinkle in his eye when Haley gets worked up is fun to watch because.

It's as much as like all the storyline has been.

Like, Haley, you saved him, You saved him. He he helped her come out of her shell too.

Yeah, he's rescuing her too, just as much.

Well, it's nice to see all the little bits of spice in this episode feel fun. And when he starts to kind of poke at you about how you lost it and then you guys wind up making out in the kitchen.

Like super cute.

He's like he's into spicy Haley and it's fun. I'm into you two in this.

I mean, she was like putting out fires, she was being supportive wife, she was being a bulldog with this lady. She was trying to build her own dream. Oh Grace Potter, it was so fabulous. Wow, God, her voice is amazing. She was so fun to have.

Do you guys, remember how like giddy we all were when she was coming and we were like, how are we going to talk to her? How are we going to make her a friend? Should we invite her out? Is that desperate? Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should wait. Like the excitement that we were going to get to hang out with her was so palpable. And then I don't know, we weren't there for that scene. That series of scenes you guys did. I was like, the first episode we see her, she's like.

Busky, Yeah, Race Potter.

It was so funny to me, but it worked. You guys, you made this thing that that getting back to playing music for fun? It really it worked. Do you remember doing that?

Yeah? How'd you beat the crowd off?

Yeah?

Oh god, that's another I just meant like, how did you push? Like, well, boy, it's a Saturday, you guys were.

You needed a very large stick?

Yeah?

No, But like for all the fans that at this point were in season six, they would gather, but you had to make it look like a natural crowd instead of a swarm.

Yeah, because it they the people who are gonna be on camera had to sign a waiver and all, you know, you can't just put anybody on camera, but they did put up signs that were like, if you're walking through here, you may be recorded. But yeah, we did kind of draw a crowd.

It was fun.

I mean, I don't know that a lot of people who were just wandering downtown Wilmington knew who Grace Potter

Is that what?

It was?

CD's soundtrack? iTunes? All that iTunes was a thing.

Yeah, but she was a class act. She's cool girl.

Did you guys ever listen to the Penguin the radio station in Wilmington?

Yeah, it was like it was like the Ink Jack FM kind of.

Yeah.

It was really like.

Like Michael Frontie and like they were playing Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings, like they were playing stuff that wasn't Top forty. It was kind of more like college alt rock, you know, alternative radio. And that's where I heard her for the first time, that Toothbrush My Table song that she had come out just right before she came out here, and.

It was like Holy shit, that girl's coming.

And Beth Crookham, who worked on our show, knew how to get her to come out. She made friends with her manager and was like, Oh, we're going to have drinks at this bar in town after work if you guys want to come. I was like, Beck, you're a genius. Yea, And so we ended up going out with them. What was the name of that place? It was over by Karen's Cafe. It was right around the corner from Karen's Cafe. It was like a restaurant Martine Manna. Maybe yeah, was it one upstairs?

No?

No, not at no, but it was.

I I remember exactly what you're talking about about being like thrilled that this person that we were listening to on the.

Radio, but like, and she was so legit. She had so much street cred. But I didn't realize that y'all were sa in the song from Tangled.

Oh that's funny.

Was that Entangled?

It was also in so much play. She doesn't sing it as Rapunzel, but I think it is the ending song, like the end credit songs. Yeah, but it also was in Confessions of a Shoppaholic, the Isle of Fisher movie Really and then it was somewhere else too, like her music manager got that song everywhere. Oh, it's trending on TikTok right now. That's so funny.

Listen.

Apparently she's alleged just got news. We need to do a little video for that.

She was a good little actor too. Why didn't we keep her around?

I think she left our show to go out on tour.

Can we also talk about Ashley Recards in this in this episode because she's so talented. That scene in the diner could have gone so many different ways. She really nailed it. I feel like she didn't even need any direction. I mean, I don't know, you know, I liked Greg's instinct as a director emotionally most of the time, but she just had it. She had the instinct. I really really enjoyed her choices me too.

It was so fun to work opposite her, and it really you know, we're in this sort of season of Brooks development where she's figuring out what she wants as a person. It doesn't have to be about anyone else,

Yeah.

Brooks used to people giving up on her all the time too.

Yeah, And to do that with someone it's so intimate, And I love when women get the opportunity to have, especially on shows like ours, intimacy that isn't about like but I love him, yeah.

You know, Yeah helped me deal with this male problem.

Yeah, it just was really I don't know. I remember watching the episode gave me this sort of feeling of refreshment and nostalgia, and I remember how cool it felt then. I remember how much fun I had working with Ashley, and it's special to really enjoy it now like that feeling has lasted across you know, more than a decade.

Yeah, she's so raw in her performance. Like a lot of the time with young actors, child actors, you know, they learned their lines with their mom or their dad, and they develop ticks right where it's like, this is my bag of tricks.

Yeah, because the parent is telling them how to perform the line, the parent who is not an actor.

Yeah, there's always a wink in it, you know.

And it it felt so real her reveal that that's my mom over there. And I love that they had the mom looking super happy. Yeah right, she wasn't some destitute woman. She was a perfectly happy, functional person that just didn't want her and that.

Hurts so much worse. Yeah, And that was when the episode ended.

Gus was like, that was the best part of the episode for him as like a teenage viewer. He loved that and he really connected with that character and was like, that girl so good, she's so good.

She's my honorable mention in this episode.

Mind too.

Yeah, she has a way of I agree with you, there is there does tend to be a wink with a lot of performance, especially in an episode where there's a lot of comedy. It's really easy to just kind of keep everything light and.

Like the Disney Nickelodeons.

Yes, I could have done it like a little petulant and just you know, it's fine. I used to people giving up on me and tough. And when I watch her, I'm instantly watching a film, I'm watching a show on HBO. She is Her performance translates. It doesn't matter what format she's in. I think a lot of people, as actors, come into shows and you try and fit the show that you're on, like, oh, is it a comedy, is it? Is it like a really dark and tense drama. Is it is it a teen soap? Is it a real soap?

She was cute. I like that kid.

But my honorable mention goes to the color red, which was finally introduced to tree Hill in this episode.

Did anyone notice everywhere?

Yeah?

What was that I don't know, somebody just decided, like, we're done with purple and now everything will be red.

It also made me giggle that when Peyton and Lucas get into Karen's room, it's like red and gold and satin and candles everywhere. I was like, are y'all on True Blood? Suddenly? Like you looked like you were in a vampire's layer.

Yeah, sure, it was so far.

That was the stuff that took me out of the episode because it just everything just felt a little disjointed. So it was lots of delicious Morsel, but it was like mixing Hershey kisses with I don't know, costard delicious each on their own.

With that together's not so much.

Yeah, I didn't love it.

However, there was another thing in the department that really weirded me out. Did anyone notice that at the end of the episode, where Peyton and Lucas are in the kitchen and they're finally like pulling off all the tape and they're kissing that on the refrigerator, there is a picture that Psycho Derek took to Peyton in her all over her bed and the cheery uniform don and it's used as set dressing in the house.

What okay, hold on, you just called that out. And I remember last week there's something we didn't talk about, and something is going on with set dressing in this season because the Psychoederic picture is in six oh seven, and in six oh six that mirror that I hated the most Brooks like assault with the words. Peyton changes the words for her, but the handwriting is the same, Like the same person did brooks handwriting and Peyton's handwriting. And I was like, you guys, come on.

Did they not know by now that our fans were real and present paying attention.

They're detectives, You guys are detectives.

And I'm just like, are there so many sets to manage and six seasons in? Are there so many pictures of us that people are forgetting that? Like some of those pictures were taken by people who went to prison for assaulting the people. The pictures are.

Out like you really should have been in a file.

I got to be a different photo. Why is it in a photo of Peyton.

And Lucas And like, no, yeah, I just had a new department head or some new people came in or something. Because the callers were different like everything started to shift and look a little bit different. So maybe, but it still should have been in a file. That blows my mind that that photo was on the show. I did not catch that.

Right over their shoulder as they're kissing.

Yes, it's right behind you. It's like a haunting. I didn't like it old in the corner.

The last time Bayden was on How's Arrest was which she was held hostage?

Uh, cru crust. Can we discuss the freeze frame on Jamie?

Why did they do that?

Why? Why?

I don't think we've ever done a freeze frame? Have we?

Also, the kids walk into camera, he's doing a whole walk toward the lens. Why not just let him walk into camera and fade to black the freeze frame? That is like nineteen ninety two, like the TV version of Missus Doubtfire.

What are we doing?

Yeah, it should have been like you know, and they do the.

Little oh like the leading reading rainbow logo.

Yeah, yeah, oh, the text goes over his head.

Honestly, if they would have done that, it would have at least been like a shtick. This was just so weird.

Just making choices, you know, sometimes you just want to make some choices as an artist, and this was one we don't do like call.

Ins on our show, but this is a moment where I'm like, I wish the phone would rang and Greg Praine would be on the other end and we'd be like, tell us, who made you do that?

Yeah? Watch they ran out of footage?

No, yeah, I bet that that's what happened.

They didn't.

They ran out of footage like somebody said cut too early, or somebody walked in front of the frame, or just something happened and they didn't have enough. They just didn't have enough camera runway. I think that has to be it right.

And our fan base was so consistent, like we had the two million views every week that they were like, listen, they're not going anywhere. Make it a freeze. Yeah, you know, it's not going to piss anyone off. We didn't talk about mouth and Millie, you guys, they.

Were so sweet and again to see people having fun, I know, I keep coming back to that word. But when she wakes up, especially because the episode opens on Peyton being the episode opens on Peyton dreaming and the cage and the thing, and you're like, wait, what's going on? And then she wakes up, Milly waking up not understanding quite where she is, like what state she's in, what's happening, and then realizing he's home. It pierced to my heart

I was thinking about her future storyline of becoming a cocaine addict.

What the boy stop? Stop?

And I'm just this sweet face and their sweet relationship and what a solid person she is. And I'm like on one planet to someone who is so who was such a solid character, like a like a moral character. I mean, you know, or you know, you know, how does she become? How does she get there? It just seemed it pissed me off in advance because it just seems so unreasonable.

You should kid, yeah, real little Yeah, it's gonna get you.

That fashion industry, it'll get you.

Oh, she has no idea, there's this little vixen at work.

Lee played that well, did I tell you about my girlfriend? Did I tell you about my girlfriend? My girlfriend?

My girlfriend's the reason I'm so healthy?

Yeah?

Did I mention.

Love that he came back and they offered him the job too, before he could even ask for it. Fun Yeah, it's nice to see Lee have some screen time. He just brightens my whenever he's on camera.

I like that he's doing well at work. I like that he's being appreciated. I want to talk about Haley's work schedule because I loved, loved the haikup.

I loved that scene were storming in taking the wallet. That's funny.

But the hikup came so fast and it was so clever, and it was delivered so well. I loved the hikup, and I was like, is she only teaching one period a day? Because in our timeline she's like at home in the middle of a day.

Yes, she's just too good of a teacher to waste on one kicks.

Making capes ten capes in an hour.

Hailey doesn't have a job except one.

Class, except she does. It's so confusing.

Yeah, Nathan happens to be everywhere all at once. Also somehow, so it does Dan. We're you know, we're all the time. What difference is what is time? What is time?

Do people have you write that haikup out? I feel like that's like a little tree hill SoundBite that I've heard over and over again.

No, I actually completely forgot about it.

I wish I was that sharp.

I wish I had that kind of sense of humor, like really quick, you have that hill like really quick.

It's good.

There's too many syllables to figure out. No, that's why I was dazzled by it. I was like, this is incredible. I love it.

Oh, Okay, we have a fan question from Grace. She says, have you ever noticed that Brook and Sam have a similar moment like Karen and Brooke when Brooke moved into Lucas's room, do you think Brooke is channeling what she wishes was done for her when trying to parent Sam.

Absolutely. I think that's sort of what we were talking about earlier, right, that they come from different sets of circumstances, but they both struggle with this feeling of not enoughness, for not being wanted, from being easy to leave by their parents. Yeah, and having Karen show up for Brook in high school really shifted her self worth and I think that's part of the reason that Brook and Hayley talks so much about how Brook and Sam are similar.

And offered her boundaries as well, and not in a way that was containing. It was actually creating more freedom.

Yeah, and you say it. Kids need structure, kids need it, but we need it even as adults. And there's this way I think that we're starting to see Brooke figure out how to show up for Sam and help raise Sam. Also in a way helps Brook raise herself.

Oh, the reparenting is bananas.

Yeah, bananas, because you realize all the stuff that you were told as a kid was too hard. Like the excuse is you heard from grown ups like this is too hard. Then you do it and you realize, no, it's not. This is actually like a joy to be this child's confidant. This is a joy to be this child's security. And it's reparenting yourself while you try, you know, to be dependable for these little animals. And I like

On their own.

So both Brooke and Nathan are modeling the behavior that they wished for, and it's you know, it's effective on the kids that they're dealing with.

I love that. That's a great point.

Yeah, kids can't sort it out on their own. Did people not watch the first four seasons of our show?

They're not reliable at all.

That is one of the hardest parts of parenting, I find, because I always felt like I was given so much as so many answers every time I had a problem. It was like, oh, here's here's exactly what you should do. And it kind of eventually I started figuring out that as nice as it was, you know, well intentioned, but parents aren't in our classrooms with us. They're not engaged with the students and the people that we are in the same way at that age, and the advice didn't

Because I love you.

Sad got this one boundary breakfast at seven and just found the exact work around.

She did, I'm following the rule. Brilliant.

You weren't specific enough.

So good.

That's such a teenage thing to do too.

It's perfect.

Let's been a while because Sophia's got to go, I do.

I got to jump.

We don't have a hell of a day today.

It's going to be a great Saturday.

He didn't chew it.

Oh lord, Oh this is a good one.

Who is most likely to say I love you to a one night stand?

Oh?

Girls, Oh boy.

Ah, it's me. It's me.

I did, And now I have a thirteen year old and yea shit worked by the way he said it first, so said a first.

Uh, it's me. I love love. I love love so hard.

I love you admitting that about yourself, and it makes me giggle because I realized that the first person who came to mind when we read the question for me was Bevin, but not like actual Bevin, like Bevin's character character, because I could immediately see the scene and someone being like thank you, No, like just bere comedict gold.

Yeah.

But I love that the real I love that, the real life version of that led to all of this for you. That's just it's great, best thing I've ever heard.

I loved that big oh right away. I also love being impulsive, and I'm stubborn enough to commit to my impulsiveness.

Love it. Hey, what do we have next episode? What happens? Next?

Season six, episode eight? Our life is not a movie? Or maybe I don't think I know what that means, but I don't either into it.

It sounds dramatic, all right, it's.

Not a movie or maybe maybe Okay.

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