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It originally aired September twenty ninth, two thousand and eight. An incompatible date in a promotion tour for his book forces Lucas to tell Lindsey he's getting married to Peyton. Oh boy, what a what a full blown like just soap opera sentence. Nathan receives an offer from a pro basketball team, Brooks struggles with giving up her company to Victoria, while Peyton discovers a dark secret about her new recording artist.
Haley unwittingly puts Jamie's life in peril when she thinks Dan is on his deathbed, which leads to a final showdown with a Navy kid dun Dune. This episode Dun Dun dune.
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Like a wild time and friends, we have one of our pals here to discuss said wild time with us, none other than the incredible Ashley Rickards, who played Sam.
Hello, hella, what a crazy episode? Truly did you when you got this script? This is like your first script where you have a bunch of material. Did you get the script and you're like, what the hell did I just sign up for?
This show?
Is bananas?
Yeah?
Normally before I do something, I like to be caught up, but y'all are in Sea and six, so there was no way I could do that in forty eight hours, which is I think how long I had till I was in Wilmington, Wow, from Don Kuckos in Burbank, which is where I kind of found out I was getting rolled. But yeah, so I was reading the script like I don't know who any of these people are or why people are.
It seems important and scary. I'll go with that, you know, it was.
It was pretty clear that like Victoria was.
With Sophia's mom.
And that sucks that her store basically got I think essentially stolen.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, And by the way side, note you and Hillary like looking back and like they have the sexiest voices.
They're just like so like, I don't know, it's just I was like, wow, should I start doing that? Maybe there's a last thing. But yeah, it was, it was. It was definitely a wild read.
I thought it was crazy and I was, you know, I've been doing the show for six years so far, and that was really nuts to get this thing and I'm going, we're running through a cornfield. This is full this We're beyond misery now, this is Stephen Geek's misery.
We're like in total horror movie.
Yeah, I just didn't understand what the correlation was, why we were doing it. It must have aired around think around Halloween.
Right, yeah, probably September twenty.
Nine, yeah, month before all right.
Yeah, I think what's sort of interesting to me looking back on it and what you're referencing is, in a way, it's like a spoof of a horror movie, like Dan doing the I Hate the Woods and like Nanny Carey popping back up at the end and all these things that are so they're so they're sort of campy. It's not taking itself very seriously. It's being extra ridiculous for the sake of ridiculousness.
Yes, but then you have these very real.
Things happening where Peyton's dealing with is this or isn't my dad? Mick? Is you know, losing a year of sobriety. Actually you know, you're playing Sam who is houseless teen and Brooks in therapy dealing with like her maternal trauma.
And then you've got like Axe Murder and Cornfields. And I was like, I know I've said this before and after certain episodes, but I was like, I feel like I have whiplash, Like I don't know which way I'm looking, and I don't I don't know if I'm doing like Parenthood or if I'm doing an Axe Murderer.
Movie, like what you like.
Nathan's out on the basketball court, like thinking he's going to get to play again, but they really just want
him to coach. Lucas is having this very yeah, Lucas is having this very real struggle with how to tell his ex fiance that she was right all along and he actually is going to marry the girl that he was in love with all this time, and it's so yeah, that's the stuff that the show was built on like all the very real, raw personal moments and then Dan's in a hospital gown shooting a woman in the stomach. It's just so confusing to me, just really really confusing.
So something that is actually interesting, because you were just talking about voices, ash is I notice that the top of this episode, the voiceover trades from each character to each character over their little age, like the opening montage, And we were talking I can't remember if it was last week or the week before, about how cool it was that in your first episode, even before we've met Sam, you're doing the voiceover, and at the end of the episode we find out it's the essay that you wrote
about Quentin.
And.
I just I don't know exactly what it is yet, but I'm noticing these changes that they're making to how our voiceovers work, and I don't know, I just I find it interesting, and I thought it was very cool that every character was telling their little bit of a story.
Yeah.
I thought it just all came back to the same, you know, theme of Well one was like a super violent way to tell the theme of like family and not feeling alone is so important and if you don't have family, you can define that with friends, but it's the point of not being alone and independence and what really mattered in life? What makes you say I was here, I did something great, Like.
What what is that?
And you know with Brooke, she's at this place where it's like what, especially in the therapist's office, it's like, what, what have I really accomplished? Was this store something that keeps me kind of is this enough? Or did I just spend so much time working? And you talk about being jealous of not being like insecure or afraid of Sam, but being jealous because she doesn't have anyone to answer to.
But I think later you'll you find out how come to feel and realize that Sam and Brook are very similar in the sense that like they're both kind of on their own and figuring out what their value is. I think that maybe you know, Brooke is is wondering how long or if or if you know what she did.
Will will matter and you know how long.
That that impact will last? And I think on the other end of the spectrum, Sam is wondering how long this chapter of her life is going to last.
So it's it's an interesting parallel. I thought it was.
It was nice and it was nice to see kind of the build of of where it would go with those two. And there's how.
Similar they were, even though they were very different.
Yeah.
I love. I think we've all, especially as just grown women, we've all had to learn how to parent ourselves in different spaces in our lives. And you know, there's the cliche of like in her child work, but it's it's true. You know, there's always parts of ourselves that we get to go back and explore and tend to And I
love seeing Brooke having this opportunity. You know, Brooke who wants to be a mom and she's taken strides in that direction, being offered this opportunity to revisit the part of herself that felt abandoned and left on the side of the road and left just defend for herself. And not only is she getting to heal her herself, but she's actually going to be able to help another person at that actual age heel. It's really a beautiful Yeah, it's beautiful connectivity that they that they weaved here.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I like that we have to do it together, you and I because something that hit me when we had that scene in the Dixie Grill. You know when you you buy me my coffee, and then you're like, it's your money anyway, you know. But I thought it was really interesting that these two women are having a really important conversation but from behind their own walls, like neither of us is willing to be vulnerable enough to
say what we mean. But you feed me the line about your mom and your curfew despite being this motherless child, and I I don't quite have the courage yet to say what I really want to say about my own lack of mother, a mother figure, or ever having been mothered. So I hide behind like pretty lucky. I have a mom who cares about you, you know, And I think we both know neither of us is telling the truth,
but neither of us knows what to say. And then you leave, and it's like, I love that in a way, it's their wounds.
That see each other face.
As I recall, I don't think Sam ever really looks at Brooke makes eye contact, and that it is it's brief and that scene. But yeah, what you said about their their wound seeing each other first is that's a beautiful way to put it. That's a beautiful way to put it. It is what was happening in that moment sort of their walls connected.
That's so normal life. Yeah, I'm trying to think of, you know, chronologically, do we like do we go through because it does bounce all over the place, So if we're if we start with. Another thing that I've really loved was as I mentioned before, James uh Well, Nathan going into thinking he's going to go play basketball, and the thrill of the whole family being so excited, like wow, dreams are still coming true. And after after the blow of Quentin's death and now feeling like Dan is dying,
there's just so much happening for this family. And again to see him show up somewhere and realize that it's it's not what he thought it was. The dream still may not happen.
It's interesting.
It's interesting like the theme of in this episode of dreams, possible dreams popping up and then and then fading away, or the full loss of a dream, like Lindsay with Lucas, like she was pushing him away the whole time, but still now it's the nails really in the coffin, like it's it's really over Brook losing her business, even.
Carrie losing the.
This plan that she'd had all along to get what her dream was. Even though we all see it for what it was, there's still so many dreams just being put out on the table and everyone's trying to find a way to pick it up or looking at it and going, oh, this isn't what I thought it was. Sorry, I don't mean to be talking in circles. It's just kind of coming to me as I as I think about this episode. But I did like that. I thought that was well done. Yeah, And it's stuff that you
don't think about too hard. I think that's the marker of something that's been well written. Bill Brown wrote this episode when you get to see all these themes kind of come to the surface the more you process it anyway.
Yeah, I mean that moment where Lucas Charles lindsay kind of out of force because he's like, I don't know, I'm going to tell her, and you know, she she's like, what's so important about this date?
And he's like, my wedding. Your heart just breaks?
Oh if your heart just breaks for Yeah, you know what.
I loved though, And maybe it's because we've all had our fair share, you know, over the years on the show of having to do really overly emotional, kind of soapy things where people pitch fits about you know, whatever emotional love triangle they're in at the time. I loved that they allowed them to have a gentle landing these two characters because they'd had the blow ups and they'd
had the you know, runaway bride moment. I just really loved that they gave it so much authenticity where she get to say where she got to say, I always knew I was in denial. That was bad for me and bad for you.
Yep.
Like when we think about this idea of you know, how we get to reparent ourselves, like that is such a mature moment for someone and to.
Be like, yeah it was. It was never right.
It wasn't working for us, Like go go find where it works for you. And I was like, wow, I just don't feel like I've seen that modeled a lot on shows like this because I always want the drama moment, and I loved that Lucas lindsay they certainly got the drama moment with like what's more important than.
They got it?
But then they gave us something that I don't know as a viewer, I felt like it was really crushing kind.
Yeah, and like you can just see you still it might seem like it's you know, settled, but you can still see the heartbreak behind her. And she got to really you know, burry that deep deep inside her and not like be asked to just like you were saying, to your point, sort of overdo it acting wise.
She just got to play the truth and how we.
Would actually probably feel in real life, or how we would project and act in real life.
It's always so hard. It's so hard to put a dream down, even though you know it's not right. There's always like this, especially with Lucas pursuing for as long as he did after she left the Altar. It's yeah, it felt that that got me. Try to think about moments in life when i've you know, you pick up a dream and then you have to put it back down because you realize it's not what you thought it was, or you realize like maybe you actually don't even want
it anymore, but it's still there's still a loss. Yeah. I love that about our show. I love that we hit those real, very real moments. Yeayton Peyton picking up this dream of her dad. That's so interesting too, and.
It's so sweet and gentle and it's such a nice We talked about this a couple I guess it would have been a couple of months ago, now what is time. But just for reference, Ashley, like we were talking about how Peyton and Lucas getting back together has been so fun for us all to watch because we get to see Peyton be so happy.
Yeah, and in this I.
Felt like we got this other layer almost, like another layer was peeled back, and we keep getting to see her as this younger version of her, like the teenager and her coming out and instead of being you know, salty stalking around the high school in Assassin people, she's vulnerable and excited and hopeful.
And nurturing the child inside of herself.
Yeah, she wants to find this missing piece of herself and it's so pure And I love watching Hillary play this version of Peyton me too.
I mean it's heartbreaking when she's having that scene where, oh my god, where she's you know, why don't you come over for dinner tonight? And you can clearly tell that she knows that that's her father at the same time hopes that he'll come, but kind of has an idea that he wants and that, Yeah.
That is another dream being but now that I don't think.
I don't think anyone's ever ready for that to essentially relose a parent.
Mm oh, and Peyton's been through so much already. Yes, it's just the fact that she's I mean, I do.
That's what I love about her character.
She just keeps being willing to open back up and see what is coming next, see what's you know? Maybe this time. One thing, it's funny what you're saying so about Hillary playing the character this way, because we don't get to see Peyton soft and vulnerable very often at all.
We haven't throughout the years. And the first thing I thought when I saw Sam for the first time after having not watched the show for so many years, was, you know, you're sitting in the back with all of your God clothes or whatever, like hardcore punk clothes, and your backpack says, and it's got the Anarchy symbol on it, and it was so Peyton in high school. It's really fun to see. It's really fun to see Sam echoing
those same sentiments. And then we also get to see who she maybe turns into in the echo of Peyton years later. You know, yeah, did you when you were brought on the show, did you were you modeling your character after anyone? Did you feel like you knew that there was a parallel with Peyton or were you just completely flying blind? What was your intro and set up there?
More so a little bit?
Well, I knew that as an actor that like the feedback is, oh, your edgy or your edgy, But like I constantly tried to play against that in my career, and what ended up happening was some sort of weird fourteen year old wearing like Jay Crew and Ann Taylor and like, I don't know why I'm super on our show. No, no, no, no, Like in my real life, I was trying to overcompensate for the natural sort of edginess that I have.
Oh I see okay, yeah, because I was like, I don't remember you being.
In no way.
No.
I felt way more comfortable as Sam than I felt at that time in my own life, and so I actually got to be myself but also learn about myself through Sam and thank god, get a better sense of style.
Even if Sam's style was like no, it still was a.
Lot better than what I was doing, and it kind of introduced me into you know, having style that expresses you. And uh, I love that's so cool. Yeah, I'll forever love and thank your show for.
That giving you the permission to just do what you felt like you actually wanted to do.
Yeah, and yeah, Sam just she she was.
She was very like punk I would say, runge, but yeah, yeah, I mean it was so fun there.
I would later realize that you can.
Take the clothes home from wardrobe if you ask and make sure that you're done with that scene.
And I wish I had done that more on the show. Yeah at all.
Well, if it makes you feel any better. They did not allow that on our show. They would charge you if.
Yeah, he's got their receipts.
Yeah.
Well, and what was really funny is when we wrapped, there was like a major wardrobe braid, and like there were some people who took some of Brook's clothes because they were a vibe, but like I'd warned them, I didn't want them, and they tried to build me for all of them, and I was.
Like, I don't have all of that.
I have like these ten things that I will pay you for because they're sentimental and.
I want to keep them. But like you to figure out where the restaurant. I'm sorry, it was wild. Warner Brothers was very much. They were on those balances.
Well, they knew what they had. They knew Onetre Hill was such a hit. They were like, we can't get rid of any of this stuff. What happens if that shirt becomes iconic and we have to, you know, put it in a museum one day?
Yeah, could you imagine?
Yeah? I can, because by the way, I just went to New York and did the Harry Potter tour and the Friend's tour, where.
It's like the whole setup is everywhere.
You walk into a huge building in New York City and it's the whole Friends set, all the costumes, all these props, all these great and you go do a tour through the whole building and it's all these iconic moments from the show and you walk through. I'm like, how is there not a one Tree Hill experience out there?
Like a real it would do so well?
Oh my gosh, I know, but now we all have to be involved in that because it was all right, absolutely first we had these one fans and I guess it's pretty wonder is pretty popular in France.
Yeah, so oh yeah, I mean, I've never been to Paris.
I've never been there this time and like someone brings me like a little Eiffel Tower Tachain. I was like, oh, this was in France, like so cool. It's crazy how much the reaches on the show. Yeah, you would think it would do extremely well one of those tours.
Yeah, well there was that group of girls who would always come from France on their brains and I think, like I think the third year Ashley, we were like, guys, you're lovely, but you have to want to go somewhere else, Like you want to go to like New York only show, go to l A, like I can Holleywood sign, Yeah, go see the Grand Canyon.
And they were like, no, we just want to see you.
You just want to hang out in Wilmington.
And we were like, oh, I promise the Grand Canyon is better. I promise.
Yeah.
I was like, it's really like magical.
You should probably go so sweet.
I know, we just have to we have to find a way to put one of those things together.
Well isn't it funny though that even I mean when we think about reach right and the and the sort of personal relationships that like our audience formed with this show. Sometimes it's easy to be like really, us why and then even in an insane episode like this, we're like, oh my god, is this all about people?
Maternalizes like the whole episode is about.
And we're like, oh yeah, you go like, oh, I get it. It actually is really saying something as ridiculous as like yeah, I hate the word deb feels.
I guess there's more than one crazy.
Yea dead with the champagne bottle like full slow clap.
I was like, honestly, Barbara, you are an icon and.
It was just a full clothesline, such a good hit.
But then you had this great moment where you pull Jamie out of the cornfield, which is such classic Corus stuff, and you're like and everything, oh my gosh, and your phone goes off and that's just when you.
Say, like, run hums from It's good though. I loved it. I loved it that you know.
That's the name of this episode, Mommy issues, because every moment of this episode has something to do with even Peyton, because it's all about Ellie tell me everything about my mom.
Dad wants to know everything about her. By the way, poor think about Jamie's childhood trauma. Nanny Carey is at the.
Window like what, growling at him.
I'm like, he's five, what are we doing?
She goes and gets an axe, like it is it is so level ten crazy, but but works like Toy committed hard and she shut her issues in this too.
That day was so awful in the cornfield. It was so hot and it was so hot and it was buggy. There were just so many bugs and we were in shorts and tank tops and it was just it was just a yucky and the corn was so itchy. Every time you would run through it, it's like, you know, the mites or whatever. I felt like they were just getting in my skin. It was truly truly a miserable day on the cornfield. I was so happy when that day was over.
It just looked like the setups were hard, even like that must have taken so long because you both are fully running and there's probably a camera on track running or was it study cam.
I don't know, I really don't remember.
It just seems like a lot of it would have been sitting around, probably in that sticky weather with a fan.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was greass.
I mean we had fun in this that the group of us that were there.
It was a fun group like me, Tory, Barbara, and Paul plus Jackson's mom Jody. We all got on really well, so it was a fun you know, and John Asher was always a good time so we it was a fun group and that definitely made it go by better. But I wouldn't I wouldn't want to live that day again.
Yeah.
I remember watching this episode last night in advance of us all getting together today. Watching you guys run through that corn, I was like, I wonder if they had just thinking about like the snake clearance that needs to happen.
Like I was like, who walked.
Through there with a rake and made sure there weren't like giant spider webs.
I was like, I just don't know.
No, I don't want to do that. I have no desire to do that. I made I made a horror movie once. It almost killed me. I loved it and it was hard and there.
Was snow corn. But yours that it's tough too. That sounded way worse.
I think the only reason I know how gross it is in there is because we used to do these amazing service projects every every year with my high school, and there was a year, we went to one of the big corn farms just outside of LA and even though it had been like, you know, picked clean for the harvest, there's still so much good produces out you know,
on the plants. And so we would sign up to do these volunteer days where we'd go in and we'd pick all the all the extra corn that we could and it would all go to food pantries around LA. Like super cool thing, you know, for middle schoolers and high schoolers to get involved in. And I shudder when I think about like the bugs and the snakes and the things that were out there, And so maybe that's why I just like, deep from in my bones. I'm like, I know how, I know how buggy it is.
No, Nope, I just texted Paul to see if he had any great cornfield day stories. We'll see if he gets back to me. Yeah, he's got such a good memory.
I do.
Well, he's lucky he didn't have to go out there with you guys. He was there, yeah, but I just mean he wasn't corn. Yeah, he was like true in the house.
Was so great. I loved he was so nice.
He loved working with you too. I know he loved directing you because you're just so easy to you know, you just dove in. You didn't have a lot of the baggage of an after baggage, you know, when you've gone to the classes for years and years and years
and you've been taught. Even sometimes you can see people who've gone to Juilliard or something, you kind of watch the footprints of their rehearsal all over their performance because it feels so stiff and structured and like they've made They've made very meticulous plans about what they're going to do, which sometimes really works. But I think what what I know he loved and what I really love about your work, Ashley, is that you You've always feel very spontaneous and in
the moment and just kind of connect. Not that you don't rehearse, I'm sure you do, but the preparation gets to sit, it gets to take a seat. You've done all your work and so when you show up you just get to respond.
Oh, well that's super flattering, but I appreciate it, thank you.
Yeah, it's true. Oh he just texted me back, by the way, let's see, Okay, this.
Is what Paul says.
I remember constantly apologizing to Tory saying things like I won't point the gun at you, and are you comfortable with me holding a gun?
And do you want to do.
You want to shoot me first?
Oh?
God, yes, because that was back.
Oh that was in the time when.
I was everything was different.
Yeah, yeah, thank god he knew how to how to handle all that. But yeah, there was just so much of that on the show this season. I'm glad we're transitioning out of that. It's a lot I know we need to get. I'm sure there's got to be Cornfield stories. I'll ask Tory and Barbara too, because man.
Oh I'm sure.
I'm also just desperate to know who picks the like drug filter. You know, Nanny Carey gives Dan the inject and it's like, you're gonna be behaved for me when you're showing up with Jamie, And then it cuts to like they made it look like the edges of the TV were like an eyeball. Yeah yeah, yeah through the
and you know what I mean. And I'm watching it going who designs these Like who's the person who picks the like this will be the drug filter for the lens When we're looking at Nanny Carey she's given him the morphine, and I'm just like, this is so silly, Like I wish it was just like maybe going a little more in and out of focus. Yeah, like eyeball on the I was sobbing laughing, you guys, I can't.
It's pretty great.
We gotta go outside. I can't. I cannot with this.
Our show became the experimental place. I feel like there were so many people who came in to direct who were never directors, that were just sort of like, hey, that sounds fun. I want to direct something. Everybody's like, go do one tree Hill, Just like, why are you experimenting on us? We are showing up and doing really good work.
You know.
Most of the time it turned out okay, But yeah, there were things like that where it was just like, I don't know, let's see what happens. Let's put a fish eye lends on this.
Yeah, why not? You know? I wish I had worked with Steven Coletti.
Oh, yeah, because I grew up watching Waguna Beach. So if oh, I mean I was like a teenager. He was like in his twenties, but I had the biggest crush on him.
You didn't, Yeah, wait, does he know any of this.
Well, when we went to the convention and we were both in our twenties, so he knows who I am.
No, he's a sweetheart. You guys would have had fun.
I know you died for this.
You didn't quite overlap.
I had no idea where Sam and him? Where would why would be in any scene together?
Yeah, listen, we'd have done crazier things on that show. So we can give you a fantasy Sam Chase storyline. Let's do it.
Yeah, do it.
Yeah.
There probably would have been an all ages night at trick and then we yeah, you know, we'd have to find out that you were secretly eighteen or something and well, yeah, that's it actually thinking about it being our show.
Probably not, but who knows. They would have They would.
Have probably found a way ash.
How many episodes did you do with us?
Off the top of my head, six to ten somewhere in there.
Okay, Yeah, isn't it funny? It's such a testament nineteen episodes nineteen I was gonna say, it's amazing though. It's such a testament to the way the bonding that happened and how it felt being down in Wilmington. I mean to do twenty two episodes of six seasons or a ten. You know, as far as we went. There were people that came in only even first six episodes here or there, or you know, nineteen or twenty, but it all even Robbie Jones who played Quentin for five or six episodes,
and the impact that it had. It's just amazing to me that we shot so much. But y'all just but you guys just made such a big impact, that's all.
Yeah, it did feel like I'd spent longer than six episodes and Wilmington, not that I think about it.
Yeah, but nineteen wow.
Yeah, I mean you you really were with us for a pretty full season.
Yeah.
I don't know, I just I really liked the device.
I remember getting these initial scripts at the start of season six and you know, finding out from the writers what our storyline was going to be, and thinking it was a really cool choice because last season, you know, Brooke had essentially been testing out being a foster parent by housing a kid who needed to have heart surgery who had come in to the States for a pro
bono program from another country. And I loved that they found a way for us to connect, Like you were saying, Joy at the age where Brook's big sort of wound with her parents is when they moved away and let her live with Lucas and Karen Sam comes into the picture, and I just think it's so cool the way we see each other and where our storyline goes. And it's not lost on me reflecting on it that it's also really when Brooke is getting so honest about her life
and therapy. You know, we're in these weekly sessions. You see this girl taking charge of her mental health. Also, Joy, did you faint when.
Brooke calls out to deviciate the most?
When I ask the therapist a question and then she poses it back to me, and I go, do you always answer a question with another question?
Does it bother you?
I know, doesn't bother you? Yeah?
And it's so any, so funny because it drives Joy so crazy, and I was like, oh, there she goes, But I just love that there's this opportunity to be honest about transition. And she says, you know, it felt so good giving the company away, and now I feel really empty because really work has been Brooks identity. And then the therapist asks her about that. You know, she says, all you ever do is talk about your work, but when you talk about your friends, you talk about friendships
and family and romance and all these things. And I wrote down that quote, why are you so insistent on going through life alone?
And it's I.
Mean, such a vestige of childhood trauma is to choose to be like such a ferocious individual and to never need help and to never ask for help. And I don't know, it's it's sort of wild to me, you know, at this point in my life having done it, you know, all of the therapy that I've done, and you know, being in this sort of stage of self knowledge to go, wow, we were talking about this on TV a long time ago. I'm really heartened by that. I don't know, I feel
like it wasn't so common. Did you guys talk about mental health or any of those things when you were doing awkward?
Well, I mean the show opens with like, everyone thinks that Jenna tried to kill herself, but it was just
a super unfortunate accident. She was, Yeah, she was just taking asp and slipped the hair dryer, went into the bath, the box of razors flew everywhere, and then she broke her arm and like twist her neck so like that's the last thing she remembers and she wakes up and it's like horror podcasts and everyone in a very comedic way, it's like treating her gently and you know, then you get to high school and they're like, oh, that's.
The real who tried to kill herself. But it did.
It did touch on on mental health in in a couple.
Couple episodes. Yeah, but it was a.
Like there's this one episode where Sadie Molly Charlove's character is she's like looking in the mirror and she just she's making jokes about about her appearance, but she's she's crying through it, and that's just like, that's just that character in a nutshell.
I mean, her character.
Was so complex, really deeply rooted and you know, body image issues, which is so prevalent now and so important for her character to be on and do the work that she did because she showed that like it. She was a bully, but she was funny and given half a chance to be let you know, open up, she would.
But yeah, we touched on it with that, and that's cool. Yeah.
I just think it's so cool that, you know, sometimes as actors we get to do these things that when you look back, like that storyline you're talking about with you and Molly, or this one you know for for my character that wound up leading to our character's relationship. I love when you see something and you go, wow, that feels timeless, that feels important. Yeah, there's a there's a bit of the monologue I give to the therapist in this episode, the bit about watching all my friends
move on with their lives. They're moving forward and I'm stuck here. And it a couple of months ago. Oh, it was trending on TikTok and like when I tell you, one of my friends sent it to me.
It was like do you know about this?
And I was like, I'm on TikTok like once a month, so no unless my friends like send me memes that then I think are hilarious, And then I wind up sending memes to forty other people, like talk about an EIGHTYHD hole Like, oh my god, I'll just be like, wait, this is so funny.
Oh my god.
Is this why people around this app all the time? Oh my god, I have to send you this.
Video of you or this video of this other person that reminds me of you, Like it's so I get lost, which is why I don't allow myself to do it.
It was a great speech though. It was such a great moment.
It's such a good speech, and the audio got used by all of these women who were talking about like chronic health issues or cancer diagnoses or leaving abusive relationships. And I spent like three hours on TikTok one night just watching all of these videos these people made with that audio from this Brooke Davis therapy session, just like
sobbing into a box of tissues. I was like, everyone's really amazing, and I'm just glad people are taking care of themselves and it's wild to see that, Like in twenty twenty three.
Yeah, hit for people in this way.
It's like we get to sometimes we have to do ridiculous things on camera, but sometimes we get to do things that are.
Really really special and important. That made obviously a huge impact.
Yeah, I just think it's so cool.
Well, I mean it was. It was really great scene it I'd me choked up a little bit. I definitely relate to it.
I mean, yeah, I did too. It was beautiful, really well done. As much as I like watching therapy sessions on TV, so it's always it's just tricky to shoot that stuff.
You know.
At some point it's just it's like, okay, two people talking like oh how much show me? Show me things, rather than just explaining things. But I do really like this device in this way because also therapy is kind of an when you you know, last like twenty thirty years. I think our generation's so used to it, we think it's so normal, but our parents' generation certainly isn't. For them.
It's like, oh my.
Gosh, therapy, Like I'm okay, why would I need therapy if it's not it's not used by the older generation as just a maintenance like healthy, We just need to be able to talk about things sometimes, and that's okay. It's got this stigma on it of it being such a heavy deal, big problem. And I like when our show did just showed therapy for being something that was
really normal and healthy. And I think because so many young women related to Brooke especially, that had to have made an impact in culturally just how we started viewing ourselves in our mental process as we grow.
Up certainly made it less weird for me.
But I've always I've always loved therapy, and I think I was part of that narration where it wasn't like, oh, she's.
In therapy, what's wrong with what's going on there? Just like going to therapy.
Well, I think when people started to make that shift and think about it more along the lines of being the like the gym for your brain. Yeah, you know, we're expected to take care of ourselves physically, you know, give off heart disease and keep your cholesterol low and all the things that are like on the commercials for whatever, heart medication comes on every time we're watching like a
sports game. And eventually I think when people started to talk about okay, well, if you're going to take care of your body, why wouldn't you take care of your mind? You know, that's really the most important part of you. I think that really helped destigmatize it. Like you're saying, rather than thinking, oh, something's wrong with this person, it's like, oh, I actually love that you're in therapy. It's like a prerequisite for me if I'm going to date somebody, I'm like,
who's your therapy relationship? What's the deal?
How long are you are You've been going gonna say?
Yeah, because like if you're not if you're not in there be it's no for me.
The long have you been worthing out?
Yeah?
So true.
Actually, you wrote.
A book, didn't you write a book on like on mental health?
And yeah, it was like a self help book. Yes, it was fun and there's a lot of good advice in there.
I will say it is a self help book written by a twenty one year old.
Look, everybody's got different stages of awareness of what they experience. I mean, yeah, you, I'm sure you had plenty to offer.
Yeah, I think I did. Looking back, some of the things were like really ridiculous. But you know what I also gave. I'll stand by this forever. I gave really good tips on how to trim your own banks. I know how to do it. I know how to do it, and it's never failed like I've had.
When I was on the Flash recently, they're like, we need to trim your banks.
I was like, nope, I do that.
And they're like, we don't trust you, and I was like, cool, No, it's fine.
You're like, here's the thing. You're a stranger to me. I don't trust you. I know my face. Yep, you've been doing it for a long time.
You're the pro.
But to piggyback on that yet there well, I don't think.
Something I learned definitely from watching One Tree, Hill Back is like you may have known your face for however many years, but they're the professionals who can look at your face for five minutes and know and do everything better than you ever could. And like, I mean sure, there's some times where you're like, oh that that can't be right.
I can't be it. I got a stylist once for the I don't know what it was, the VMA's or something.
He brought clothes that I I think that they were just like somehow like S and M couture like it was. It was like, I'm not, I know this is like a young people thing, but like that cannot be right.
I don't.
This can't be for me. Maybe for someone else, but not for me. But you know, I think it's cool when you have ownership of whatever trait. Like to your point, I can't do my makeup the way professionals do. People are always like, what tricks have you learned? And I'm like nothing, because I'm like my brain is popping around in the chair. I'm on Instagram or.
Like cha, yeah, we're running our lines all morning, Like that's what we're doing.
But but like, the way you feel about your banks is the way I feel about my eyebrows. I just I don't let anyone touch them. I'm like, no, no, I do same. You can do everything else, but I do those don't come near them.
So it's kind of cool that you feel that way about your banks.
I wouldn't trust myself to trim bangs, but the two times in my life i've got them, they've both it's just been not a good idea for me. So maybe that's why, Like for you, they really are so cool and cute. And if you're the if you are the president of the banks, I can get behind that.
The president of the banks, she's like, this is it depends what length you're going if I'm.
Yeah, yeah, well that gosh. But once somebody can do your eyeliner, right, I'll just go for it. Although I get creeped out when they do the inner the water line.
Oh yeah, the water line.
I can't. I don't know.
Anybody who isn't, Like, you can't screw it up. But like it's also trippy to have somebody that close to your eyeball.
Yeah, that's another one you might want to do yourself.
Yeah, well, usually there is heavy eyeliner involved in female TV villains, so we should We should transition to our fan question here to start wrapping up the episode. This is from Max, who is asking who do you think is the worst villain this season? Nanny Carey or Victoria?
I say Victoria because it's more insidious.
I do I agree?
Oh, I love that. I was about to say. I mean, Victoria is certainly.
An emotional villain, but she's not a murderer. But maybe emotional villainry is worse. I don't know.
Yeah, it's emotional abuse.
Yeah, it's more long lasting trauma like carries a carry's psychotic and crazy. But she's not a to me, that's not a mark of a true villain. She's just kind of a sick. She's just a sick person. But a villain is much more pathological, is much more calculated, and has just a long history of abuse. Yeah, and manipulation. And I would definitely put that award in Victoria's labe.
Well we solve that problem, easy, peasy.
I like that answer.
Just host sign it done?
Should we should we spin a wheel? We got to spin a wheel and we do an honorable mention Ashley. So every episode of drama Queen's we have a wheel that spins like in your high school yearbook. Most likely too. So here we go. You can read this one.
Who is most likely to go on Love Island or be on the Bachelor?
Now this is going to be most likely to from from Tree Hill the world of Tree Hill? Which character? And then who in the in real life? Do you think from our show? Who in real life Love Island.
Love Island or The Bachelor?
I mean Acdemp. Why is she always the answer?
I feel like I don't mean to throw shade or anything, but I think she would be the winner of the Golden Bachelor, Like she is so charming and beautiful. I think she could also kill it on the Regular Bachelor. Yeah, she's a good looking lady.
She is who in real life?
In real life?
I mean Stephen COLLETTI was on LA going to be Yes, that's a good point, that isn't our answer?
Yeah?
Yeah he did.
He basically did like high school Love.
Island he did.
Yeah, So congratulations to Stephen because he just got engaged. But were he to be single, he would be such a good contestant on one of those shows. Yes, because like he knows the ins and outs and he's charming.
And it's funny.
They need to write that into Everyone's Doing Great, their TV show on Hulu. They need to write that storyline in that he goes he gets off like he can't get arrested, but he gets offered a job on a reality show that he's like, oh, I don't want to take this and then ends up.
I can't wait to start that group chat today and be like, so we came up with that idea.
Yes, season four, Everyone's so great?
Yeah, I love that show.
Well, who do we have.
For Honorable Mentions today?
Oh?
Man, we got to meet James's Nathan's coach. Is it not Clay? You know that's Rob. What's the guy? The guy who was he was talking to? Who he was on our show so much after this? The blonde guy?
I think it was Bobby.
Bobby Okay, Yabby because they introduced him. He's like mister or whatever and he goes, Bobby, It's just Bobby, Bobby.
He was.
It was fun to see him, although I don't know if he made enough of an impact for Honorable mention For me, probably it goes to Paul with the I Hate the Woods like that was just such a great moment. I he wins the episode for me.
Honestly, my honorable.
Mention has to go to Tory because she did such an amazing job with such an insane storyline and even the way she wakes up essentially from the dead and has to do that creepy little laugh.
That's so hard to sell.
It's so hard to sell, and she did it, and I was like, she was giving me major Anthony Hopkins, you know, silence of the Lambs vibes with that weird sound he would make, like her laugh was just so weird and specific, and I was like, Tory DeVito, someone give you. She needs a trophy. I don't know which one, but she needs a trophy for this.
We should make her one. We should get her trophy and send it to her, don't you think?
Yeah?
Yeah, Okay, So we're giving the boys a season four storyline for their show, sending Toyo trophy.
Done and done.
Love you know, I love a little homework.
Yes, Ashley, thank you so much for coming to hang out with us and talking.
To Sam today.
Vib It was so fun. It was great to see you guys, so soon.
Good to see you.
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