Take Me to the Pilot • EP101

We ended last week with Champagne. We're kicking off this week with the rest of the bottle of the champ So this is the recap of episode one, the pilot air date September twenty, two thousand and three. Day we realized, like jersey number twenty three and wait minute two thousand and three, what does like Aluminati? Do they do have purpose? Purpose? I don't think so. I think that was Michael Jordan's number.

So the synopsis is here. We Nathan Scott is Tree Hill High's biggest basketball star and he's dating Peyton, a cheerleader, and so much more. Nathan's half brother, Lucas joins the team and threatens to take both Nathan's spot in the lineup and his girl. As if I was nobody's a girl that was my own. So grumpy, I have to perhaps start in an unconventional place. But we've all just watched the Pilot for the first time since two thousand three, and oh my god, Craig Shipper is so hot. Joy.

Its spotted from a mile the way. I was like, mmm with him. I was late on the pickup with that because I was like, well, he's playing one of the grown I was like, he's a grown up. But you were like no, no, ladies, no, not at all. You were wise beyond your years. Joy. Yeah, he was like Muslie and his jeans were tight. Yeah, let's talk about the denim. Yes, oh god in this first episode. Wow, the baggy denim, the cuts of jeans on the men. Yeah,

on us. I love my jeans. I don't know what you guys are talking about, like flares consistently, whether they're cool or not cool. Flares are pretty fabulous, But it's more the the rise or the lack thereof that I'm concerned with. Huggers they were just like they were the zippers two and a half inches long above your pubic hair. Like we blamed Britney Spears for this. She really yeah,

she ruined it. For the rest of us. But I also feel like because we were in Wilmington, North Carolina, are shopping options were not what they were in New York or Los Angeles. So we were dealing with like

being six months behind any cool kid curve. But I have to say there's a part of that that worked to our advantage because most people don't have access to like the you know, it's I mean, that's if you live in the city, and that's a priority for you, and that's fun and that's a great way to express yourself. But there are a lot of people who just that's not a priority, and so I think there's a relatability in that as well. We cooked, right, we looked like

regular kids. At the time. O C had come on the air over the summer and had blown up and it was all about rich kids, and so that was our competition. It was a fantasy element, you know, they were so yeah, yeah, we were gap old navy kids,

more kids, yeah, God, bless that. I think that's one of the major things that that the fact that we were relatable in that way that kept the show on the air for so long, that we weren't just a fantasy element of Oh, murder and intrigue, and you know, as the parents all sleeping with each other, and I mean that didn't happen on our show until at least like, yeah,

oh my god. No, There's so many things that I never noticed about the show until we just rewatched it, like the grooming, the grooming, the grooming between Paul and Jane. They have the same hair, and then Chad and Chef like the same hair, the same haircut. And guys, when when we refer to Chef, we're talking about Craig Cheffer, who played Uncle Keith, And yeah, like there's a We just watched the scene where they're in Keith's body shop and Keith and Lucas have the same hair, and we

just never knew, never clocked it, never clocked. Speaking of hair, Joy and I have very Joy and I would look like sisters if we were groomed, because when I showed up in Wilmington's, I had curly blonde hair and they took one look at me. Yeah, that's not gonna work. No, Like, how quickly did they make that decision? It was like with him, I'm sure they had made the decision probably

before I showed up. I mean when I tested I was blonde, um, and then they just probably figured out they just died as soon as I got there, which they did. But did they because I had a feeling with having I had seen the pilot. I knew they wouldn't let us look exactly like and I was game forward. In fact, actually I was super excited about playing this character.

And I thought like, maybe I'll get Bobby pins and stick them in my hair so that my ears will stick out, so I'll look like I just wanted to add this element of like awkwardness to her. Um. I think God I didn't do that because can you imagine, like nine years Bobby episode would have had to happen

like I have a headache all the time. Yeah, But the hair was it was a deal because I didn't straighten it a lot, and back then there were less ums at tools and advances and knowing how to handle curly hair and make it straight in the South in the humidity, and so I ended up with this very flat top, wide bottomed hair that was a strand of a strange color. But so right, you know, But you're I feel like, I mean, we'll see as the episodes

go on. I feel like you had like three different hair colors season one, because they kept dying it and dying it and dying it, and it was like an evolution of hair, and I was trying to like it was also weird, like because we didn't all want to look alike, and I didn't want to like compete with you because you were the blonde one. But I also, like was naturally blonde, and so it looked good on

my skin tone to lean lighter in that way. And then we like, then there was a time when we totally you went really platinum and then I went blonde. But I mean, amas, I wish I had just stayed the same color, honestly, like you was read for a minute. Yeah, oh god, I dyed my hair every color in the book. You were still black at one point to like, well, I dyed my hair black in the summer between seasons two and three because you're in the Yeah, I died by your black. And I cut bangs and I remember

even even lightening it. When I came back, it was so much darker than it had been. And our boss, who shall not be named, we lost his marbles that I had cut bangs because he was like all the

cheerleaders never bad me the job. But day in high school I had bangs and they were bitches and but it was like it was that funny moment because we you know, we were just talking watching the pilot about how our hair was kind of this battle well but not to bring back Felicity, but it was because that, yeah, yeah, when she cut off all her hair, they went crazy. Kids and might not know about that. Yes, Okay, so

there's you know, there's a great show called Felicity. If you haven't gone back and watched it, you really should. Carry Russell isn't dynamite actress. Um, but she had this you know, big beautiful, long, curly blonde hair blondish brown here, and she she went away one season and cut it off. And you know, Michelle Williams did the same thing actually in Dawson. She just chopped it all off. But it wasn't her hair wasn't and I its own. I mean, Harry's hair was like it was an image that was

instantly recognizable. Nobody else and TV had hair like this. Um, So when she chopped it all off without letting anybody know, everybody kind of went crazy, and the show's ratings actually dropped and they connected it to her hair being which is ridiculous. Yeah yeah, but we know, for whatever reason, the ratings dropped and it happened to be the same time. Heaven forbid the writer's admit they've gotten so just blame

the actress and her hair. So yeah, So then from that point forward, everybody was trying to do recon and put into every actress's There was like a hair clause in the contracts or something, right like, I feel there's something president at a network that's just in charge of actress's hair. Like the boys can do whatever the hell they want to do. But it was a massive battle about hair every episode and curls flyaways, yeah, you can't do. And it had to be down down, sexy down approvals.

Take the polaroid, send it off to l A, make sure they approved this hairstyle. It was so crazy and hiller. You pointed out so wisely that you know, watching the pilot, you'd been fighting to get ponytails of the girls at cheer practice. So now looking back at it, the stuff that I was fighting about right out of the gates, like the audacity of a twenty year old kid to be like, hi, um, you're wrong, I feel like I can go on to a set today and assert myself.

But the idea that I was doing that as a child, mortified and about hair, like nobody had taught us how to pick and choose our battles, which ones do you fight for? But also the irony is that at twenty you had been a cheerleader two years before, so you were that cheerleaders are athletes. When I did, they're doing like stunt cheerleaders to make fun of us, like God forbid the real cheerleaders out there be like, oh, these fake TV cheerleaders. So I was adamant that, like there

was accuracy. Okay, well, well this is a good segument because getting away from hair because you know, we can only talk about that, but like speak speaking of hair and being speaking of being a cheerleader there, you know. Lucas asked Peyton a great question in the PILOTY said, why are you a cheerleader? You're the least cheery person I know, and I don't always kind of wonder why

Peyton was a cheerleader. I think that's why we needed Brooke, you know what I mean, Like I remember having like an internal struggle my real senior year in high school where I didn't like what cheerleading stood for, Like I didn't like being in the passive role of cheering on someone else. But all my best friends did it, you know, and it was like a way for us to hang out after school, go on trips together. You know. It was a thing that connected us, and I could make

fun of it because I was one of them. You can't make fun of a cheerleader when you're not a cheerleader and not sound like a total asshole. I mean, I guess other people do, but so so it made a lot of sense for me for Brooke to be introduced because she was the anchor for Peyton. It was like, if my mom's dead and I'm a nightmare and the one person in my life I can rely on does this dumb thing, I guess I'll do this dumb thing too.

But when we shot the pilot, you weren't there yet, and so I had to go over to a high school in Wilmington, and you know, I'm like a twenty year old VJ, you know, and it's like all these real fifteen and sixteen year olds and they're like, okay, so just hang out with these girls after school, and so part of me felt like a predator. I was like, what am I doing hanging out with these children? You know? Um? But like in the pilot, that was a real high

school cheerleading squad. That was the area. I'd love to know what those girls are doing now, Like how weird it must be for them to see their childhood experience like played out on TV. Like Bevan grew up in Wilmington's she kind of had a tap on it. But was that anyone's childhood experience? Though? Like what we just saw is that. I mean, obviously we know it's heightened for television, but I'm trying to imagine in my high school something like that. Actually, yeah, I mean I don't

feel like the the experience, I don't think. I mean, who knows. We did say during the viewing that we were like, god, we all thought it was so scandalous that there is this idea that this guy would have knocked up two women and would have two kids. And then we're like, people have whole other families now. But it's funny because at the time we were like, this is so crazy. But I also think there is that real element of when you are in high school it

is your whole world. Stakes feel so so high. The stakes are so high because that's that's the entire scope of your universe and your experience. So I almost feel like the stakes of the rivalry and who gets to play on the sports team, it they felt high. They were dramatized because really, you know, when you're young, you're just like I want to fit in and I want to belong and I want my family to be okay, and I don't know, it's pretty real for a lot

of people. Sticks still fell high for us at twenty, being on that set, not that far out of high school. So I mean those hormones and those emotions and the feeling of everything really big. I mean, you were talking about buying your first car. Well, and I had gone to a really big sports high school like Parkview High School went to States in football and we were like machines and and so we went to States and cheered

and had those big, huge moments. So for me, I felt like I knew it better than the adults who were writing about it, because I was like, guys, I was literally just here, you know, like this looks like um. And I think that's why I was so like bossy about it, but nobody was like that good looking, do

you know what? Like? For me, the hard part was the beauty element of it, because I look back at pictures of real high school and we should definitely post our real high school pictures because it wasn't cute house that guys, my brown, super crunchy hair. You know, the year I thought I could have a bob and learned that that's a real bad haircut on me. My junior year in high school. You know, junior year in high school. It's a picture so bad I'll show the two of you.

I don't know if I wasn't down the middle. Yeah, and like chunky highlights. Yes, did you like twisted back with the butterfly? I did that in middle school for sure. Good god, no, dude. It all comes back to Hairman for such identity in it. It was one of the few things that we felt like we could control as the girls. Because we could control what we said, we couldn't control like what we were wearing necessarily when our characters had to do. I mean that moment for you

in the pilot. Okay, so yeah, when we were watching the pilot, there's a scene where Peyton comes out of the bathroom after um Nathan and it's like high Mr Scott. And so when we when I first got the job, it was called Ravens. We've talked about this and the arc throughout everything was narrated by Barry Corbyn, by Whitey, and he was describing everything that happened in the town to his dead wife Camilla, and that was which we did, who we didn't find out was dead until the end

of the pilot. Oh, you're totally right, right, But that was the tone. It was like a really sweet, you know, like small town, all shucks kind of show. But they were trying to capitalize on the popularity of eight Mile and they wanted it to be like an all shocks town, but with this eight Mile underbelly of the kid from the Wrong Side of the Tracks. Never in any of that was there a sexy element, right, And so I felt totally safe just being like okay, yeah, go and

be the cranky girl. So then when the o C got popular and we had to turn up the sexy, it was like a bait and switch, like do we get to say, like, do we get to have an opinion about it? And we didn't. We just had to turn up the sexy, which like, thankfully we're all really sexy in our flat shoes and our like corduroy skirts. That was hard. That was hard for us as young

women who were all like we were all relatively like prudish. Yeah, you're in our you know, in our activity, and so when we were to get into that environment and we have to play this like I don't know older male idea of what a young teenage high school girl who could be in a dream world or maybe was maybe to see. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much of that was that how much of it was experience of um girls that maybe they knew that, you know, we just weren't like or I just I don't know

anybody who's having sex in high school? Did you did? But like I also think it for the people who were, but it was talking about late and it was a big deal every God. I my very first boyfriend, who I dated until I was a senior in high school, was my best friend from summer camp since the age of nine, like my sweet sweet like high school sweetheart who for years I was like, I'm still not ready. It was like it's okay, like just such a friend a true gentleman, and it's funny to think, like, yeah,

I mean, I don't know. I dated three people by the time we got on our show, Like what you would never casually come out of the shower in front of their powers, in front of your boyfriends father, Like how dare you lead in the shower at your boyfriend's the first place? No, I shower with my clothes on.

In fact, I also just love I gotta I gotta tell the listeners because it's a fun one to watch when you come out of said seeing where Paul is really just ripping into James because he has by the way, the one episode where James has a nipple ring bagap artists had to glue onto his chest, by the way, gross and like serious things are gross, just like you having a fake one glued on as gross and no one liked it and so they never referred to it again.

You walk out of the bathroom and you wouldn't even look at the game ra They're like, can you cheat out? And I'm like, no, absolutely not, Like I'm mortified right now, I'm hoping this gets caught. I'm mortified by this fake situation,

so I'm not going to play it. Like I still, as a married woman, couldn't do that, just like treeps by in my towel in front of my father in law, like oh yeah, and I was so blue say no, I would never yeah you in front of you guys, but like in laws, Oh my god, it makes me

shame me. Also, like, like looking back on it, Paul was also a viable option, like Paul's the same age as my husband, and so like like the whole element of like trapesing around like semi dressed was just so loaded and weird, and I remember that feeling of I was never allowed to watch these shows growing up, and here I am like right smack dab in the middle of it, and this one's potentially worse than what I

wasn't allowed to watch. The heroine too, you're the you're the one that we're watching, and like, you know, off the bat the second the first episode aired, and the reaction to Peyton was so bad because it really was. The reaction to her was so yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, They're like, we're going to have to take you dark, right, and then you'll have a moral arc where you you know, like come back around and people will understand why you're

such an asshole. But that's kind of great though, Like as as an actor, that's that we understand that now, but back then, yeah, you know, you're like people hate me, you know, like the chat boards remember the chat boards, Yes, just pages. It's a hideous place. So people are so cruel and the irony that that we clearly are not

in control. I mean we did over the years have to go so hard in the paint for our characters, and when we would win a battle, it was really like winning a war, and and there would be people online being like I can't believe you did that. It's like, well I didn't want to, Mr Jersey, oh seven six, Like, god, do you think I chose this, choose this for me?

I did not choose this choice. And if they known how bad it was supposed to be to become and so like that the new normal that this show created, of like parents not being around, of like casual sexuality and stuff, it's something that I'm really happy we've been so open about with with conventions and things like that, because I never wanted teenage girls to feel like they were behind the eight ball or that they were like missing out on something. Because I'm like, do you want

to see pictures of eleventh grade? For real? Because it wasn't a lot of that a lot because we knew that we were we were speaking to a young audience, and I was constantly having conversations about like, young girls look up to me and to this character, you know, me as this character, and I'm nervous about a B or C because I don't want them to think that that's like normal or okay, or that they should be treated that way or that they should you know, subjective

and and you know, the conversation between as an actor portraying a character, and you want to show that the character has an arc, so your character has to have flaws and they've got to learn things and go through things. So yes, you don't want to be perfect all the time. But you also there was this sort of moral responsibility that we felt, and it was tough. That was really

tough to navigate as a young woman. And I remember also the excitement of feeling our first sense of permission to be a little wild, because like we you and I are Bert, you know, Hillary and I have my birthdays. The week apart, we turned twenty one, and we started working a week later, filming. We were already in women. It was first night. We went to Level five, which was this cool bar on top of a theater, and we ordered drinks and looked at each other like we

had just gotten murder. They were like, can we see your I d s? And we were like yep. Even we were like, are they going to get rejected? Are they going to know they're real? And they gave us cocktails and we looked at each other like, oh my god. It worked. It worked. It was magic, Like we had money to buy our own three. It was crazy. Yeah,

it was. I mean we didn't. I wish we'd had like phones cameras at the time because we'd have so many memories on our Also like a lot of blackmail, you know, looking back at the show now just watching it objectively, Joy, you were really good to point out, like the structure of it is so good and there was nothing else like it on TV at the time.

The parallels between what each boy is going through, the way they cut back and forth on the courts, but the cars and the buses, um that the connection between the two older brothers the two younger brothers, how they that whole dynamic I was really strong. Yeah, there was a lot of wildlife in this episode. Joy got attacked my pigeons. There was an alligator in some scene. It was what was your pigeon experience? Oh, we had some guy out there with the pigeon strange, so that was okay.

For those of you who don't know it's called, that was called a steady shot. It was a steadicam shot. It was It was a one er is what we call it. Because there's no coverage, which means the camera's not popping in on Chad's face and then my face to get each of our lines. It's just one camera set up and we do do the scene and we walk through and say our dialogue and once when it's over,

we're done. And by the way, baller for the steadicam operator, because what that means is that there's a guy wearing a camera strap to his chest, walking backwards looking in a monitor at you and Chad in a two shot that never cuts, never moves, has to be perfectly timed, and this man has to trust the guy who's dragging him by the vest enough to just look at the

two of you and walk backwards blindly. It's it's so hard, it's so hard and it's got to be perfect one years and if somebody cops or sneezes and doesn't make it work in the scene, you gotta start all over against pigeons. And so we're doing this one er on the steadicam and we had the guy with the pigeons, and there was like always a thing it just couldn't We could never get it to work, and it was

so frustrating. I don't know what. They would fly in the wrong direction or like he'd open the cage and they just walk out like it was never anything right. So finally it worked and then you know, we continued on with the scene. But yeah, I had that was my pigeon wildlife experience. What was your? I had the gator? Yeah, my was it my first day. We was either my first or second day, but it was my first real

day of like acting. I may have done some like you know, like extra work in a different scene, but my first real day of acting was that roadside scene where my car's broken down. It's just Chad and I and Chad had been on Gilmore Girls, he'd been on Dawson's. He'd done that like a Hailey Dolphin movie or something around, you know, like he'd done so much work, and so our director was a very big time director, Brian Gordon, and I knew he'd done some like HBO stuff and

he was a very big deal. And I had not done a chemistry read with anyone. I hadn't tested. I had done this, you know, one little part on Dawson's Creek. I had done, you know, my scene study classes in New York for the last two years, but mostly it was theater where you've got a really big space to move around and rehearsal time. Yeah, so Chad and I get called to set and I knew my lines coming

and going right. We go down there. They put us on these marks, which are like little, you know, pieces of tape in the shape of a cross, and they're like, hit this, don't you dare look at it because the camera's point it at you. You just have to feel it. And I'm like, unless it's a wide shot, there's like a little dot the size of your half your finger.

And they ripped the tape tea off and they're like, see this little dot we left you and you're like in the grass, in the grass smaller than my pinky nail. So they everyone's like just like telling me all these things, and no one realized I didn't know the business at all, right. I didn't know how to hit a mark. I didn't know how to find my light. I didn't know any

of this. And while we're in the midst of the very first rehearsal, a gator is swimming up to Chad and I and no one is clocking it, like no one's saying a word in the marsh, in the mar right there in the water, and I'm like, anybody, nobody, nobody, anybody. And I was distracted right like larranted. So we end rehearsal. I go to my trailer. I knew it was bad. Like I knew it was a bad rehearsal because the just the lingo they were using. I kept having to ask, like,

what are you talking about pulling focus? Like what does that even mean? I had no idea. The director comes to my trailer bang bang bang bang bang bang bang, and I was like, yeah, He's like I need to talk to you. You didn't know your lines? Yes, I knew my lines, but there was like a lot going on, like there's an alligator, sir, don't you ever waste my time or the cruised time again, and I was like I cried and then I had to pull it together and like, oh, it's just like the worst scary say.

But I never didn't know my lines again, like like my whole career. It was a great note to get your very first day. Um it. For the record, I knew my lines. I just had an alligator coming out. But the interesting thing is that the requirement is you have to be unflappable, yeah, no matter what. Yeah, And that's that's a hard skill to learn. It was the first day, no one. But the thing is when you go on to a job, no one realizes it's your first day because it's not their first day. They've been

doing this for years. Like you're just welcome to the circus, kid, and so um it definitely set the tone for me of crew first, always crew first, be a team player, don't ever waste anyone's time. I think that probably plagued me a little bit the whole course of shooting because I was then I tried to overcompensate, so I'd be like I'll advocate for every department, you know, like I'll fight your battles for you because I'm on your team, remember, but it all came down to that freaking gator. Wow.

I mean people die all the time getting eaten by gators and welming today. I know that happened all that ya like Greenfield Lake, Yeah, yeah, the yeah, no, there was a bad There were some bad stories about like I remember maybe maybe this has been created in my brain,

but I'm sure that we lived there. There was a story about somebody walking their dog around Greenfield like and the dog got snatched, but the person's arm was in the leash and so when the dog was getting rolled by the gate or the person walking, it was also drowned. And I was like, well, I'm never going there ever, I'm never going This is a mythology that's so fun about shooting at a small town because I don't know,

but I heard it did. It was also just such a crazy thing because I remember, you know, you guys obviously shot the pilot. You do pilots in the spring, guys, so like March usually, so it's chili still in Wilmington's in March. But then when we got there to start shooting properly, enjoy when you had to shoot all your pilot scenes, you know, do all those those reshoots. Um, it was July. You know, it's a hundred degrees. It's a hundred percent. But you're shooting a show that's going

to be airing on TV in September. So you're wearing Kashmir sweaters and leather jackets and they're like, could you stop sweating the camera guys, and you're like, I wish I could help you. I'm so sorry. Another thing to know is that our show was supposed to be a mid season replacement January, That's right, And that's why we were all just for winter because we were supposed to come on the air in January, and so we were

filming in July. We had a six month lead and another show got canned and so they put us on the air right away in September. But that meant that we were filming an episode and then it would air like two or three weeks later. It was so there was no way to adjust for like reaction, you know, to like like crowd reaction and stuff like that. We you know, it was so um. I just remember being so nervous up Peyton because I like, everybody hates her.

Everybody hates her. I'm on set reading about how everyone hates her and like we're still in the midst of like being a big jerk, you know, man. So it was yeah, that was scary. There was no promotion for the show, and that was yeah, because every week the street cred Man. Every week the viewership jumped in ways

that we all were like, what's happening. And when we first because obviously you you you ushered us in Hill to the whole world of MTV and I will never forget when we went and did that first t r L and the people at MTV were like, last time we had a crowd this big was for eminem And we were like, I mean Times Square was I've never seen a crowd like it, and we were like, this is for us. Yeah. I was like, I remember being

really confused. I was like having a panicked I was sweating because I was that for others paid people to do it, and I'm like, well, no, then every movie would have done that, you know what I mean, Like, we didn't have those crowds for anybody else. It was I didn't know that they were for us. I just thought Time Square was packed. And we pulled up and I got out and I was like, man, this is crazy,

what is going on? And I got out and I saw somebody in the in the immediate crowd surrounding us, holding up a poster that was Nathan and Haley, and I just was like, what wait. They were holding up posters for all of us in all different ways, but that was just the one that my eyes saw that was like, Oh my god, wait, these people are here

for us, especially because we were just in this little town. Like, oh man, we were laughing so hard, you guys watching the pilot, just thinking about all the shenanigans of our lives there. And like one of the things that's so funny about Wilmington, it's a college town and it's a retirement so like it was us one, and then it was a bunch of nineteen year old kids at U n c W and and then it was a bunch of people's like dad's and grandpas on the golf course.

I kissed those and so it was kind of just us, like all we had was each other, literally for better or worse, and oh man, we just had no perspective on anything outside of our little bubble in this little place. And then we got to New York and there were thousands of people in the streets outside of a building where we were going to do press, and we were like, what is this. It was like being in the Twilight Zone.

It was so crazy. I remember other people talking about like, oh, your life's about to change, and I'm like, well, I've been on TV since I graduated high school, Like what are you talking about? You know I do live TV. You know I get the reaction right away, So to do something where the reaction was delayed was weird because

then it really was so much bigger. And I had a boyfriend fiance at the time who came to visit and was like riding a skateboard around our base camp, and I remember, our boss is going he won't last long. They knew our life was about to change enough that I would just like cast off the old skin and turn into something different. I never felt like, I mean,

did you guys feel like your lives? Your lives did change all of a sudden because I we were only in that I was making decisions a hundred percent on my own for the first time, like where I wanted to live, you know. I went shopping for a car with Brian Greenberg. In those first couple episodes, I remember I was looking at like a mountaineer. Did they even make mountaineers anymore? It's kind of like a jeep, right, I don't know, like a range of not a range

of over I which to call it. Um, Yeah, like it's like a jeepy kind of it's like a sport utility super like a super room girl. I don't know, No, I think a mountaineers, like I think I was just like just pumped to like hang out Greenberg because he was so cool, you know. And so we were like shopping for cars and then I was too scared to actually spend money on a car from a car lot

because I wasn't convinced scary to spend money. I bought like a fifteen hundred dollar nineteen eighties six Mercedes that had the crank windows, you know, and that's what we would like drive into work. And yeah, it was it felt extravagant. At the time. I was trying to figure out who we wanted to be. I mean, that's a big deal at that age. Like, you know, we all had different personalities, but you also we were looking up

to other public figures at the time. And two the things that we saw in the magazines and we want around us. I didn't know. I mean, I there were things I admired about you. There are things I admired about you. I just I and I remember like, Okay, let me copy that and see if that feels right in my skin. Now that feels that doesn't feel right trying on a sweater? Yes, And look at magazine and be like, let me try that on and see. And I think every teenage girl can relate to that. We're

all trying on different suits to see which one. I felt so confused, too, because to your point, everyone around us kept telling us our lives were changing. But I I just felt like I had no idea what that meant. And I think part of it for me, you know, I I grew up my whole life. I went to an all girls school with fifty girls and my graduating classics I wore uniforms like I didn't have any of the experiences we were portraying. And I had. Oh. I

had never been in a class with boys. I my high school sweetheart was my best friend from camp since I was nine. I'd never been lied to. I'd never had anyone try to sell me anything. I went to college and I wanted to have the opposite experience, so I went to USC. I thought sororities were lame, but my best friends were joining one. So I did just like you as a cheerleader, but I was the philanthropy chair of my sorority because I can't help but be

a nerd. I like camps, and I dated a boy all through all through college who was a computer programmer. Like we were just so cute. I had no I had like these dreams of making the kinds of movies I loved, and and I remembered, like, you know, watching my so called life and loving Clear Danes and thinking she was so talented, and she went on to do movies I respected, and and I thought maybe someday that

could happen. And then suddenly we were on TV and everyone was saying it was happening, but like we were just going to work every day and like get getting offered sweet tea at like the local furniture store where you and I joy were like hunting for antiques and nothing the Ivy and John market, right, But like I, everyone was saying it was changing, but I still kind of felt like a little kid, and I didn't want anyone to know. I felt like a little kids. I

was trying so hard to be about me too. I see, I had come from MTV, where you were looked down on. If you hung out with the talent, it made you like a Starker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it made you a Starker. And I was so against that, and so for me, it was really hard to be on the other side of the talent. I didn't like how people were like treating me and I didn't like I didn't like feeling like I was being coddled. God, you had so much perspective. And at that time, the only way MTV would let

me do the show is if I worked Monday. I worked Sunday. That's right. I forgot about that. So it was hard for me to connect with anyone because I was always gone because I worked. We we shot in the high school on Sundays so we could get the gym. Yeah. We worked Sunday through Thursday. Friday morning, at six am,

I'd fly to New York. I would film like three different shows and then i'd work again Saturday morning, and I'd fly home Saturday night and then like go out and then go to work again on Sunday and I did it for the first two seasons, and it was so unsustainable. I mean, and by the way, you're being kind about that schedule, because let me just tell you

all listening at home something. These basketball days in the average for us as girls, because we have a two hour pre call, we would film for sixteen hours in the gym, meaning we would work an eighteen hour day and be told that's normal. It's on an hour quote unquote Monday, which means that because the later you shoot every day, the later your call the next day has to be. By Friday, we'd be going into work at four pm, starting at six pm, shooting until four or

five am on Saturday. So hill are you are on Friday night, Friday morning, Thursday night in to Friday morning, we'd shoot until four or five sometimes six am, and you would go straight from set to the free in airport. I didn't look to fly. I think the course of the season like I just disintegrate like a little bit more.

And I can see it joined to your point. It's what you were saying about knowing what you were going through personally, Like I watched myself trying so hard to spin all the plates um so then by like season three when I was like, guys, right in here and then I just commit to the show. Season three really is one of my favorite seasons because I was just able to do one thing and it felt nice and I got to cut my hair. It felt so nice.

But yeah, it was you forget how bad you wanted it as a kid, and we were all trying so hard to be these grown ups who deserved this position. That we never said no to anything. Anything they asked of us. Anything they said was normal. Anything they told us we had to do, by the way, I even think about like any question I was asked, like when we would do press and they would interview us, when no one ever told us you don't have to answer a question if someone asks it, So like yeah, wow, wow,

that feels personal. Um okay, Like we just wanted to be good so badly. We didn't realize at times we were like coming apart of the seams. I think messy is what made us really relatable, was like, oh I feel her pain. We all just carried different pain. I loved. I still love when people are like I feel like me and Broke, or me and Peyton, or me and Haley. I feel like we would be friends. And I'm like, I love that. That's my favorite feedback, the Peyton crying

in her car. I guess there's like a meme of me crying in a car. And my son every night at seven pm gets online with his best friend and they look at memes that like they watch YouTube videos and like that's what fifth grade boys do. And so I guess at some point my son got curious and like saw a Peyton crying in her car meme and so like eleven year old Guss is like, why were you always just crying in a car? And what's kind of great is like I know now why Peyton's like

always like super messy, but it wasn't explained in this pilot. No, not at all. I mean I liked that when I watched the pilot, I liked that because I thought there's really somewhere to go, Like, I want to understand this girl. Why did she always empathetic? Didn't have the reaction that apparently a lot of other people thought she was so cool? Yeah, I thought we were such a I always was like I was like, Hilary is so grown up and she's so cool and her arms are so long and slender.

How did she get like that? She knows how to use bom bombs and shows me like I just want I just wanted to follow you around like a puppy. I was like, teach me stuff. Can I go to bars with you? You're like, I just felt like, didn't you feel like she knew everything I didn't? Those guys? I was so I was intended by Joy because Joy had been in Thinner and I had remembered like, oh, she's like a movie, like a big deal. You were the four that's amazing. I was so intimidated by your

theater acto. I was just like, Wow, she keeps talking on all these plays and I haven't never seen any of these. I don't know anything about musical theater or like cool. I felt like, yeah, it's interesting thinking about it. I just felt like I had so much to learn from you about weird now. I told I was I felt like what I had said before, where I was just kind of terrified inside and just like you know, looking at both of you and in On, like I thought you were both so cool and so like with it,

and so like you were so stylish. Yeah, so with her no back blouses like Sophia had an orange halterneck top. That's why it cut T shirts were cool, and that was a T shirt that had been cut up by some girl in l A and the neck was the arm holes. You guys, like a man's extra large T shirt and you'd like put the arm holes on your neck. I felt so cool because a girl who was older than me in college, who was in my sorority like taking me to this T shirt shop and I was like,

this is cool. I'm an adult on TV. I should wear this in public and put my face through some guy's arms, Like, oh my god, it's no. But you also were like the pie piper of all the dudes on the show with that shirt. Like I remember a caravan from the river View Suites to the Rhino Club up on Market and just they were all following you like ducklings. It's just like the shirts killing it. We had watched hipp Top, your episodes of Nipped Hawk we're airing,

and we've only watched them together. And then we went, because we were twenty one in Bonafide to a bar to celebrate, and we were like, we're getting cocktails, and Greenberg played his guitar god Les Greenberg being you know in every so cool there's one guy with the guitar. Yeah, he was our Greenberg. He was our guy, but not like like Jake's character was not overly romantic. You know those guys there's always a guy with the guitar who really like he's like, I'm the guy with Greenberg is

not that guy. He was just always always seems so self confident and just sort of in his own skin. He was just cool. And he was like covering Elliott Smith songs, that's right. He was good for the music recommendation. He had really cute friends. Like when we would come up to New York for MTV, Greenberg would be like, We're going to meet some of up bros from n y U. And I was always like, O, come that. I wish we'd been on trip. Hey, I wish I'd

hung out with you. I wish I hadn't been so afraid of everything that I had actually like gone out and hung out and done all that stuff I was just like so terrified of. Thankfully, though, we have trips, Like trips forced us into that space. And season one we had the hurricane. Oh god, it was like the spot we all met up there. It was like half of us went to one place and half of us went to the other place because it was like this hurricane and we all need to be in the spots

we went for chick I mean the hurricanes. That was something that was new for all of us. And so you take all these kids that are away from home or just what they used to for the first time. You start filming in September, and then hurricane season hits in October and we're all forced to be grown ups and deal with natural disasters and also like to be on a national television show and then fly all over the country and do pray. Do we remember when people

were like, oh, are you stormproofing your windows? I was like, what a who? How do you do that? I mean I was still living over the bar so stormproofing my windows? Yeah, I do have like nailing boards into the like I don't want a picture frame into the wall. Guys, I'm pretty sure I can't start. Okay, So obviously now the world knows we were all so terrified to be at

work and so deeply intimidated by each other. Oh my god, Like, but Joy, I'm so curious for you because you know, hell, you had done the pilot, and then you came in to do these reshoots of the pilot, and then I came in and we all started working together right as soon as the right, as soon as those were done.

But what was it like to have to reshoot some of those huge pilot scenes Because some of them are easy, right, like you're at Karen's cafe, it's you, Chad and Moira, But then you had to do shots to match that huge basketball scene, like the Lucas and Nathan face off and starts the show. Was that insane to have to do that? What was weird about it was that we, if I recall correctly, we didn't actually reshoot that river

front scene. We we're shooting a different basketball scene on the river court for another episode, and they tacked my reactions for the pilot onto that scene. We did like inserts, yeah, exactly the job they did. I'm pretty sure that's how

they did it though. That's what I remember. That scene is so good, it really is, and you know, like as much as we are, so you know, we kept saying what we were watching it, how impressed we were with James and how strong and intimidating and he was holding his own old and like it so attractive and

captivating on screen. And you know, they did a really good job because with with these characters too, because really was rooting for Lucas when I watched this pilot as much as I and it's it's a feat to have you sort of you're attracted to the villain in a way, but you're also rooting for the guy that's supposed to

be the hero when they didn't. If they hadn't done that right, if they hadn't cast it right, shot it right, written it right, if those guys hadn't played it right, we probably wouldn't be sitting here today because that was that's that was the biggest moment in the pilot that I think brought people back keep coming back. James was so sinister in the pilot, which watching now, I'm like, what how did he do seventeen? Blows my mind. At the time, we took it for granted, like you just

expect everyone to show up and do the job. Watching it now, you know he's not that far removed from my son's age, you know, which is like creepy. He's only six years older than Gus was at the time, and so super impressive, But I remember them recasting your part. It had originally been a character named Reagan. It was played by Sam Shelton, who's an awesome actress, great singer by the way to great singer, had like a duo episode on them, and she was so cool and so fun.

But when I was told that they were recasting her, it was specifically because they wanted Nathan and Haley to become a couple. And I remember every time, and Sam just wasn't right for that, right, Like those two didn't work because Sam was older than I was. So the jump from from James to me and then her to

James was a different chemistry, really different chemistry. And I remember thinking when they told me that, like, there's no keen way that will work, like Nathan and Tutor girl, Like what because he was so like bad, so bad in my mind, there was no way to make it work. And so it's a real testament to Jane his work being able to take Nathan from that dark place into

like a loved daddy figure. Yeah you know, yeah, And he's so genuinely such a good, solid guy that that there was there was that was bound to come through. Did you know from the jump that they were going to put you two together. I have no idea. Yeah, no, I never knew that. I didn't either, And by the way, it's because I mean I would think if I like

click into a producer hat for a second. They wanted there to be that tension that existed in season one where all the fans, because we were piggybacking the end of Dawson's Creek, everyone wanted you and Lucas to be pasty and Joey Dawson expecting that. Yeah, we all thought you guys were maybe going to end up. Yeah, yeah, for sure, me too. Did you never went there? Did you ever? No? I mean, we such a strong choice.

I don't think that ever. Well, we'll find out as we keep watching, because I honestly don't remember most of the first season. I mean I remembered those moments from the pilot, but um no, we didn't have that kind of just that chemistry wasn't there. It didn't exist. It really was a good example of a male female friendship that was earnest and like hard when it needed to be hard and just kind of Yeah, we didn't really see a lot of that where it didn't veer off

into romantic territory. Yeah, there just wasn't sexual tension there for whatever reason, I don't know, but I think and chef walked into the room. I don't think we didn't flock that in Karen's cafe, your flustered little reactions, Hello, do you know Paul? We were all having dinner it deluxe meet Paul and Craig, and I was haying out with boys. You were with the grown up a fine time, Joy,

Joy nailed it this year. Years later. I don't know if he came back to the show or if it was before he left or something was years later, but I had kind of gotten over my crush with him, and you know, but we were at dinner and sitting there just like Paul a k a Dan Scott, who I love very very much, but who loves seeing people in awkward, uncomfortable situations. It's just pure comedy to him and so true to Paul. We're all sitting at the table and he goes, hey, Chef, you know Joy, and

a massive question she did in love with you? And I mean I just turned like Craig just looked at me and I was like, yeah, I think so, I think, what are young don't made it. He's such a sweetheart though, Like what a great guy. And we loved his daughter. Yeah, hot single dad and we would babies it his daughter

will love you know what. He was looking out for us to like, he really was one of the ones that was the very few people that was was a good listener and would would wanted to hear how our experiences were, what we were going through, would give advice freely,

like just really he really cared, you know. He and Paul were so special looking back on it, and I've told you guys this and I've said it at conventions too, but for anybody who's everybody able to hang out with us when we shot when we started shooting the season, so we came back after this pilot episode, my parents came down to Wilmington's to like move me into my apartment, like bring dishes, all that kind of stuff, Like I

was going into my dorm. We went out to dinner with James and his mom at like one of those you know, riverfront restaurants, and James was like, I mean he had to have a chaperone because he was still a kid, and so it was almost like we were being set up to be buddies, you know, and so I was like, okay, yeah, our parents are making us be friends because we're playing boyfriend girlfriend and and then afterwards I took my parents to that upstairs French be

stro um. What the hell was that place called Caprice? Yes, and Paul showed up, and Paul is like, so good at ordering wine. Paul is so chin and he's so funny, and I think we were laughing and at some point, like I laughed and touched his knee and was like, oh, you old scamp, you know, like one of those moves, and my parents mood changed and we left and my parents were like, you are not dating him. Don't even

think about it. And it had never occurred to me, but I was like, oh, oh maybe I will an option. The world's opened up, but when you're all new, it's also so funny to us, because I mean, Joy had the the smart sites, I think, but I don't know, at least for me, like and I imagine as we've talked about it for you. I looked at Paul and Craig like they were supposed to be playing our dads. They're only sixteen years but at the time, because I

still felt like such a little kid. It never occurred to me that they were not actually our parents age. And so now like you telling me that Jeff and Paul are the same age blew my mind. I was like what. And when we watched the episode, you know, when I met Jeff, he was like, oh, I auditioned for that show. And I'm like, wait what. And my husband, Jeffrey, audition for Cheffer's part, and he was like, yeah, you know, I like the whole like gritty garage, you know, that

like edgy thing. Yes, Joy was onto something, you know, and l hef a shown up in those type jeans the chef was wearing. Can you imagine. Yeah, I would have definitely had kids earlier. That's a totally different behind the scenes scan. And by the way, the the wildness of you while we watched the pilot like this would have actually been mind blowing because you talk about in that scene in the car where you stop and you like make the face at Chad, You're like, oh, that's

my kids staring back at me. It's weird. It actually what I was like, My god, it would have been so crazy. Yeah, you know, my son is probably going to be an actor, like he has already dived into directing stuff and really really loves it, and I don't want him to do it until he has a real clear sense of who he is because I was so like wishy washy and I didn't grow up in the industry the way he has. You know, I was super green from Virginia, you know, I didn't know anything about

film work. Meanwhile, he's like a pro. Now. I still don't want him to do it till he's eighteen. Um. Yeah, but to see my face, my child's face in a cheerleading uniform, I'm like, oh my god, it's gush, just making those surly little faces and like super ground be and very dramatic. It's it's it is weird seeing like the kid and yourself. Yeah, I'm protective of it. Yeah, well,

and it makes me a little bit emotional. I mean, firstly, let me just say on the subject of things we deserve, um, because you know, I'm proud of us for caring about each other enough to have you know, been at this and be such fierce you know, lovers of and defenders of each other for all these years. And I'm I love that we're doing this and we're you know, taking back our joy from a place that had so much of it but also had not joyous experiences. And and

it's kind of wild because I feel that too. I feel so protective of you both, and I feel protective of my young self, and I feel so detective of brook Davis, like she's a person like I get surly if anyone tries to come for her. And then I have it also from Peyton then, like I remember some like quote unquote fan on the internet, like you know, tried to say why Peyton was a bad brand, and I was like, you don't know the first thing about

what Peyton Sawyer did for Brooke Davis. And I was like, wow, this is an irrational reaction that it is not appropriate in any way. But I just I don't know. It's it's nostalgic and beautiful and and intense a little to watch that pilot, not so like full disclosure. I cried afterwards, because you watch it and like the sense memories there, Like I remember what the river court smelled like next

to the river in the middle of the night. I remember like that humidity and also the smell of the lights, you know, and there's just like such sense memory about it, and we had no idea in that moment that the thing that we were making at twenty one years old was going to be the thing that became like the cornerstone of our life when people stopped me in the grocery store. Like every once in a while it's white collar or a Christmas movie or something, but of the time,

it's this show. And it makes you think like, oh, maybe I would have made some differential if I knew that this was going to live forever. There was no streaming then there was like internet, that's right, doesn't even exist anymore. That we had no idea what was coming, well, we didn't. Yeah, we didn't know what was ahead in terms of the good or the bad of it. What was your favorite moment from the pilot as a viewer, I feel like this is what we should do every

every episode. What was our favorite moment just as a view were Yeah, I loved Karen ripping down a new one in the car dealership. Because now that we're we're the age that Moira was when we shot that, Like if my agents sent me those sides and was like, hey, do you want to do this show? Like, yes, yes, I do. Thank you so much. Like she just it was a great character. She knew exactly how to play the piste off Mama Bear. Um, and it's fun to watch.

It's fun to watch Moira. She's so so good and scary, like a little scary. Yeah, her on your team. Yeah. I think probably just that that big game at the end on the river court, when the guys are facing off with each other, that was the stakes were so heightened. And um, I think that and I and I do remember really loving, uh, the the image of the guy who was not Chad but doing Chad stand in walking across just bouncing that the iconic image from the show

and Van walking across the bridge basketball. It was such a it was such great brilliant imagery. Whoever came up with that shot, it's brilliant. It like sticks in my head. And then um and then you and and chat at the railroad tracks always sticks in my head to the You're you were so natural, you felt so comfortable in front of the camera Hillary and Um there was like an instant I don't know that the chemistry between the two of you guys in that moment. I felt it,

and it I remember that tugged at my heart. Instantly on the show. I was like, I think I'm in. I think I'm in on this show and and um, and then the moment on the basketball court really tied

it all up for me. Absolutely. I agree that basketball scene is just so good because you know what the stakes are for these families, and and something about this sort of dynastic element of what is that word smart she went to space scamps, you know, but but truly the this notion that this character of Dan Scott has a dynasty essentially in the small town, and and the element of of what his hyper masculine, sort of patriarchal story is with this, you know, his progeny, his son

who's you know, next in line for the throne, and then this other kid who by no choice of his own is sort of stuck in this mess, and the woman who has been harmed by playing his mother. Like it's so good, and and then you realize, as these two boys essentially are in this gladiator battle, that neither of them chose this, and that it's going to affect

them for the rest of their lives. I just remember thinking how elemental it felt, and I had that same moment of like, I'm I'm in, and I loved how it was constantly reinforced similarly the you know, I couldn't relate to that family story, but what I could relate to was being a part of a world but still

feeling like an outsider in it. You know, from the outside, maybe I looked like I had it together or like, you know, yeah, I was in this club or that club, or did theater or seemed popular, but I always I always felt more like Peyton. I always felt really uncomfortable, uh, sort of in the skin of that place. You did a good job, so because you came in with Brooke Davis just like you and like like But I had to be someone I couldn't relate to, and so that's

actually what made it easier for me. And and I always felt a little uncomfortable in a room of people

who seemed like they had it all together. And the moment that made me feel seen was the cutting back and forth, almost montage style, in the scenes where Nathan's driving the school bus, all the cool kids are partying and Peyton's a cool kid, but she's not there, and she's driving her car listening to angsty music by herself, and it's cutting back and forth between these two driving scenes, and and Nathan almost drives into the train and you almost run Lucas over and everybody stops and it I

don't know. That was the thing that made me feel seen. And I was like, I have felt that. I get that. What were you listening to in your car by yourself in high school? Man, Iryl Crow who ended up coming on the shower her Um, Yeah, Cheryl Crow. It's funny because I grew up listening to Motown with my mom and the Eagles with my dad, and then I got really into I think, just like being a kid who lived in l A. You know, it was the era

of Tupac and the Tupac in Biggie Battle. And then I was a senior in high school and Chronic two thousand and one came out and I was like, dr is the coolest. So I was just like this, you know, really gangly, little white girl who loved wrap. Yeah. I wasn't allowed to listen to modern music really, and so I you know, with Peyton and all are dumb Vinyl,

you know, that was who I was. The only music I could get was what we could check out at the library because I didn't have necessarily money growing up to go and buy CDs or tapes or whatever. So we checked out stuff from the Sterling Public Library and I remember getting like my Culture Club albums, Like I was obsessed with boy George. I was so obsessed with androgyny and like sexuality analytics, Boy George, David Bow Girl.

I was on a real gender bender kick, and so Peyton coming in with a lot of masculine energy felt like good to me. I was like, this chick can kiss anybody she wants. This will be great, um, which is something that a lot of the fan base is picked up on, you know, like there is a large part of the fan base that's like Payton's Gate, right, And I'm like, I don't know, there's time. Life is long. Um. So yeah, that was you know what was fun for me.

I would love to know where all those records ended up. Yeah, scattered to the wind. I stole some things for you from set when we wrapped up, but they'd packed those records up by then. I was pretty tested about them. I was like, where did they go? Do you love woody sarcasm and talking fast? And are you longing to return to Stars Hall of for one more trip? To Kim's Antiques or just to pick up a few things

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you listen to podcasts, Ladies and gentlemen. It's time for most likely to Okay, so we're gonna try and do this at the end of every episode. Who is most likely to um? You know, like in high school, Like in your high school, maybe you had this in your yearbook. We should ask the fans what they're most likely to were so we can get some idea. I like that idea. I like that. Yeah, I mean I feel like in most year books, like the one I hear about, a lot is most likely to succeed. M Are there others

that you would prefer to you. I mean, I think this idea of success in this first episode is such a major point because obviously, on paper, Dan Scott is it is likely to succeed. But as we know that doesn't happen. That's the malarkey. Yeah right, Who do we feel like, who's most really succeeded in this world? And well, I guess to find success right in high school? Typically, most like succeed means the person who's going to what

make the most money, build the biggest business in that way. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's different definitions to success. It's like not the kid joining Peace Corps, you know what I mean? And now we're like, it should be the kid. Um. I mean, Karen has raised a child who loves her, and I think as like adults now we realize that something. Yeah, I mean a kid that communicates with you and loves you and lets you into their world is a big deal.

Someone with a strong moral character you can drop into any scenario and they're going to do the right thing, you know. I mean, that's massive success for sure. I think most likely to succeed is Barry Corbin, a little bit who plays code twite who But when we were shooting one tree. Hill had been in more television shows and movies like the length of Barry's career is nuts, and like just dropped into this world of freaking teenagers

and was like, doues, I'm want to own this. For those of you who don't know, no one had a better time in Wilmington's than Barry Corbett. Oh yeah, good god. We should try and get him. Come come in and chat with us. I would give to hear Barry's stories because he just watched us and like enjoyed that, like watches the cattle. That interesting, what's happening over there? Okay, I'm going to say I think my vote for most likely to succeed in this episode is going to be Mouth.

I think watching him on the river court do his thing, he was so driven and focused and it really set the set the tone for him as a character throughout the rest of the series. Everything that he was always driving at he provided so much ammunition and fuel for so many different storylines. And he was just always always chasing a dream, you know. And I left that about him. That's my boat. He bought a lot of energy. What about you, oh man? I was really like, you're right,

it's Karen, that's the way to go. And now I'm like, oh, but I'm so bad at this. I've never been able

to pick a thing. I don't know. I think it's funny because then I sorry, well, yes, and obviously he's brilliant, but like the Pilot feels very set up to give Lucas, who's always been the outcast, his first taste of success, like that boy gets his first win in the Pilot, and I think what they set up is the audience curiosity as to whether or not he's going to be able to hold onto it, like you come back to see which of them gets the ball next time, and

that I think is a really brilliant device. I'm going to say the most likely succeed for me is the town of Wilmington's, because this show was such a love letter to that town. The way it shot is so beautiful, and it has set up like a tourism industry that has, you know, surpassed anything I think anyone ever expected. And like Dawson's didn't take place in North Carolina. They were like cheating cape Cod. I guess Willmington for Cape Cod, and so I think Wilmington's came out such a winner.

You did this to such another level. It's a metaphor. This is why she should be running the film commission. Hello, I don't join clubs anymore. Um. The Drama Queen Club is the only one. I'm a part of it, Drama Queen jan Um. So next week we have episode one or two the places you have come to fear the most. That sounds done dangerous because I'm showing up like Hellyan and my bad hair. Oh please, that was a bad haircut. It was so cool then, but good god, I just

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