Stuck in a Moment ᐧ EP517

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Queens Joy. This was a huge episode.

You think so.

I thought I was exhausted. You know, I had to stop this episode multiple times because my best friend made me lunch and I was just really absorbed in eating this chili and I was like, I'm not paying attention here, Like I feel like I was on a journey. Yeah, there was a lot.

It was a lot. I think. Here's what my problem was with this episode. All the pieces were there. I felt like, yeah, it was the biggest episode. There was a lot that happened, but all the pieces felt super disjointed to me, Like, I don't know why brooks journey with Baby Angie ended in like act one.

Yeah she's fine, Yeah, yeah, Like that.

Should have been part of the big cliffhanger at the ending or something, you know, the relief at the ending, the Peyton Lucas thing I thought played out pretty well, but also the basketball stuff didn't start until like act three, So yeah, it was just strange. I felt like I kind of wish everything had been going on at the same time. It would have felt like it balanced it out a little bit more to me. So I don't know. I've my notes say this EPP is so melodramatic.

Maybe that's why I needed to take a chili break. I was like, I just sorry, guys, I got a dip. Yeah for a second regroup.

I'm also like, I think I'm just on the edge of my seat now waiting for the dog and the heart because now that we've entered heart transplant territory, every time I see Dan and they're an he's in the hospital, I'm like, it's happening. It's happening now now same.

I really for sure when Brooke and Lucas were sitting in the hospital, I was like, is it now? No, it's not not yet.

That's they're gonna draw out forever.

But all of this took place over the course of eighteen hours. Yeah, which is you know, they announced that at the beginning, and it's just I love that it's a montage of everyone behaving badly. Yeah, and the freeze from how awful we all are?

Yeah, I know, it was so strange. The really good one was Deb in front of the computer like that, really that was a really good teaser. Yeah.

Because Okay, so here's the thing that just keeps creeping up into my brain space when we watch specifically Deb, not so much Moira. You know, like Karen always seemed like an adult and I don't feel like an adult. But when I watched Deb, she was supposed to have Nathan at eighteen years old, and these kids are twenty two now, and so Deb in this narrative is younger than we are. Wait, what, she's forty? I know, I just live my mind, and it's like, did we show

Yeah, definitely, people saw my boobs when I was forty.

Wow. So it just changes the perspective in a way that I think is hard to swallow. But also like, good on her for not falling into like stereotypical mom zone.

Yeah, and then that is something I really love about Deb. But if we're gonna like yeah, let's start with them. Like, That's something I really love about Deb is she she's always.

Been very self aware and willing to.

Take risks, even when she was, you know, going through a really rough patch and she was in rehab and all the you know, trying to experiment with painkillers and all this stuff. And Barbara is just such an amazing actress. But I do you feel like Deb has a consistent streak where she's always walking that fine line, like she wants to be wild and still be responsible, but she's willing to push it and push the limits, which I admire. I think that's pretty cool.

Hey, we were so excited about Deb's boobs that we forgot to read the synopsis.

Joy, Oh my god.

Our producer just came into the chat and was like, you guys, grow up Barbara's boobs.

I can't think about anything else with the chapstick Barbara's boobs. Now, I know we're that there's chapstick in there all the time.

Oh genius.

Okay, god, a synopsis? What does it say?

Listen? Season five, episode seventeen, Hate Is Safer Than Love. Air date was May twelve, two thousand and eight. All right, so Lucas is crashed by the news that Lindsay is dating someone else, and he takes his anger out in the wrong place.

Does he ever?

Brooks baby Angie?

Is it Brooks baby Foster baby?

Yeah? She undergoes urgency surgery. Hailey wrestles with her decision to record a new album. I really am interested in that storyline. Nathan is trying to get back into basketball shape, Antwine meets up with a woman he met on the internet, and Lucas Stun's pain with a hateful confession. God, this episode had it all, even as disjoined it as it was, it was packed. Okay, so let's go back to Barb now that we got our business out of the way. Yes,

Yeah, because she tried, Like you can see how hard she tried in the first few seasons, how hard she tried to be the responsible southern mother what everybody expected her to be, the perfect soccer mom or basketball mom in this case. But yes, you nailed it.

And Lucas is always going to be a sixteen year old boy because the faces he makes when he's going through this Lindsey journeys, like the heartbreak and the hope. And though she can't do this total sixteen year old boy, we've watched him do it for multiple seasons now. But then the real twist for me was Dan Scott in this episode, who got down on Jamie's level and was a four or five year old little kid that didn't get the hugs he needed and throws really awful temper tantrums. Yeah,

He's and that's why he's so desperate for everyone's approval all the time.

Thinks he can get away with stuff. Yeah, a lot of magical thinking with Dan Scott like with children, where it's like I can make this disappear. Mm hmm.

Absolutely, And and that's why probably why he gets on with Jamie so well too, and Jamie sens is that camaraderie because I would never think of Dan Scott as playful or like great with kids, and yet there is that part of him that is that's actually where he's arrested. That's so interesting.

Paul lights up when he's with that kid, He really does. I was gonna say Lucas well. What was interesting by what you said about Lucas is I really felt that in I felt that in the moment when he took the call from Lindsay at halftime girl like that Really, I was like what grown man does not know to like, there's got don't you don't take that call in the middle of a game.

There's no way you pick up that phone. I know you're waiting for her, but like, if it's bad news, you gotta.

Know that not worth it. Here was my thinking is like, you know, having played the woman who left him and would have done anything for him, what a bitch move? Right, Like she's been with him for years, she knows what his basketball schedule is.

I thought the same thing too.

She knows it's like Friday night, it's like seven ish, yeh, she knows he's in a game. She was hoping he didn't have his phone in front of him and that he wouldn't answer. She was trying to leave a voy.

Yeah that's good, that's good.

Yeah, it's like it's like the person that's like, I left the message at six thirty in the.

Morning, you know, right when you were sleeping. I didn't think she's trying to leave a message.

Allo.

I do think you're right about that now. But I did think it was strange that she went ahead and told him in the middle of the game that, and he told her, like we're at halftime, in the middle of a game, Like, why doesn't she just go yeay, listen, I'm gonna call you right back. I'll call you back, me get back to you, call me when you're done.

Oh it was just dick.

I didn't like it.

Well, and I it makes you wonder, you know, Like we we like to be graceful about the age of these characters. Like we have criticized Lucas, we've criticized Nathan, we've criticized our own characters and then like with the disclaimer, they're twenty two years old. Yeah, awful. I was awful at twenty two years old. And Lizzy is also like twenty two years old. Maybe she's just so sick of being toyed with that. She had a dirty martini and

Right in the middle of the game. Yeah, that was rough. Well before that happened, I really liked seeing Lucas really in his element. I know he's a writer and that's the whole story, but I gonna say, like, I really love him as a basketball coach. I feel like he is hits his stride. He's so great with the players. I mean, obviously he has some learning to do, but I thought that was really fun to see because I don't know that I've seen We've seen little moments of it,

I put huge exclamation marks on here. Back to basketball. I loved that we were back in the game and my one of my favorite moments of this whole episode is when the other coach and Lucas are kind of like talking shit to each other. And now that my kid is older and I'm going to see games and stuff, there is a playfulness to like kids coaches where they're having just as much fun as the kids. Yeah, getting spicy, And I really really loved that. He the other coach

But I love that too, and I want to see more of that. Yeah, but poor poor Quentin just huffing and puffing and like rushing through. Man.

They turned that up to eleven eleven, Like Lucas got that phone call from Lindsay, all of a sudden, he was Joan Collins like, yeah, those poor children were like, no more, coach Scott.

No more. Oh man, and why didn't Nathan jump in? And why didn't skills? I mean, they tried, but it was such a half assed effort, and I feel like as is it as co coaches? I mean, Luke isn't the coach, right? Isn't he a co coach with skills?

All I know is that.

I loved it so much because he goes, he goes all right.

They all say Ravens on three and he says, no, Bear Creek sucks. He makes the children yell Bear Creeks so so sad. That is not Lucas Scott. We need to defund him.

No, And then what the hell other coach is? Who are these Bear Creek people? Where the coach is like, yeah, break that kid's arm? What the hell kind of a high school game? You're gonna ruin somebody's entire future for? Yeah, because you're down. I don't know, is that real? Does that happen a lot? And I just don't know about it. I don't know a lot about high school sports.

I guess I do. I think that there's always like that asshole coach like I've seen them because I went to a really, really really competitive sport high school. Yeah, and I think that there were certain players on our team that other teams you would see them like go for them, really target them. And I'm sure we did the same thing to other schools, you know what. But it's never the head coach. The head coach is always

I don't know.

Sports sports, sports sports, But I love that this three point strategy that Jamie came up with is so effective.

Yes, isn't that so fun? I love that they had they involved him in that.

It's fun to watch.

Yeah, I would like to watch a whole basketball game like that, like a real.

One, because even once you figure out the trick of it right where you're like, all they're doing is shooting three pointers. Yeah, if anyone can shoot, it's like impossible to guard, and so it just you have to be all over the court instead of kind of bunched up in the middle or like right under the net. You have to be everywhere at once, and it's impossible.

Did you watch Ted Lasso. No, that was one of the things they did on the show. They broke up the strategy and it was almost identical to that, like you did. Anybody can shoot, so so there's no way to guard. So anybody's it's anybody's ball at any moment.

In football, we called it this. It was a single wing offense where the entire team could be a receiver, which and like they would throw it to like the kicker. Sometimes they would throw the ball to like a big, huge offensive lineman would carry the ball for a while, and so the other teams were so confused. They were like, what is Parkview doing? Like you pass the ball to the guy that's four hundred pounds and can't run, And we were like, yes, you.

Do, Yes, you do. Why don't we do that? More? Like why don't they do that more? In sports? It feels like it would be the most fun way to play.

Just tricking people, tricking people. Yeah, and you never quite know what to expect.

Like I get the idea of laying out a strategy and doing a play, and maybe it's sort of like what we do, and when we rehearse, like blocking rehearsal, you have a general sense of where you're going to go. And I could see why it might feel a bit like pandemonium if anybody can do anything. But I mean, there's still rules. But if the whole team is working really well together and really in sync, yeah, I could see that would be really fun.

We should well yeah, now, well that's that's how we'll do our next rehearsal. Well, just anybody can say the lines, right, You don't nearly have to say the lines.

Anybody can say you walk anywhere you want.

It will just be like a play. Uh huh.

Anybody can say the lines. That's great.

Okay. So at the beginning of the episode, hold on, I'm going back. I need extensive notes here. So the whole Brook thing at the hospital, is it wrong of me to be a little butt hurt that Peyton gets up, takes Brook to the hospital, is sitting with her, but then the second Lucas gets there, Brooks like get lost like, I'm sure Peyton would have loved to sit there with Lucas. Yeah, I don't know.

She wasn't was she giving you permission to leave? Because you know it was awkward for you?

It wasn't awkward for Peyton. Peyton would love to hang out with Lucas and have an excuse. But then when Brook says in front of Lucas like you can go, if Peyton's.

Like, dude, dude, say help me out.

Man, Yeah, no, listen, we can all like reminisce together. Let's just sit here.

I'll stay man, I'm all stay right here.

I didn't love it.

Well, Peyton had some stuff to do though, She had to go take care of her big recording day with Haley, and Mia shows up and that's fun. Nice to see well Katie again.

The commercials that we did this episode.

Full on commercials, it's great. I mean, hey, like at least it's a worthy cause. Well between the vote and then hold On wrote it down here. Oh yeah, he saw Starburs Thursday Night concert series six Flags. There you go.

So that's USh two heavy hitters in there, man. Yeah. And I remember it being this thing of like, why don't you just improvise and tell us what your favorite starburst color is?

Oh really, they asked you. Yeah, like if it's not in the script, I'm not saying it, but asking me.

Yeah, give me my money whatever. Man, I guess they were keep right. Maybe they really were sponsoring Kate's tour. Seems like that's reasonable. Was Kate on tour at that moment?

Though?

I have no idea. Yeah this, I remember wearing this outfit. I remember filming the water balloon stuff with you.

Yeah, I remember that too.

No other part of this, yeah, no other part.

But I'll tell you what. All of our makeup looked really good in this episode. Did you notice that?

Do you know? What I noticed is how like fresh and pale we all were. Remember in the early aughts when we could be so pale and it wasn't a vampire show. We just didn't understand contour or bronzing or any of that mess.

That's right, Just that was pre Kardashian, like before they were teaching everyone about drawing on your face.

I don't know. We were translucent. It was glorious.

Yeah, it was really lovely, Like what's wrong with that?

No? I was into it. I liked it. It's so funny when you look at the trends from now and then, yeah, and you see like young kids look super super adult, and like on Disney shows and Nickelodeon shows and stuff like that, you're like, wow, you look forty and you're fourteen. That's crazy. I feel like, looking back on these shows, we did look age appropriate.

Absolutely. That was I think such a part of the character of the show, the town, the realism of the life that we were living. But yeah, you're right, it is funny. Maria went to school today and they had like character day, so you dress up like your favorite character. So she decided to go as Rory Gilmore, and my god, it's so cute, right, And so we're looking through and she's like, we're kind of scrambling this morning to get it together. She's like, mom, do you have a Henley.

At the top. Yeah, like a thermal.

Yeah, like a thermal but with like the three buttons on the top. Apparently that's called a Henley. I feel super out of touch, but it's back in trend now. And she's like, Mom, don't you have one? Because you're from all your old clothes. I was like, oh my gosh, I don't have I do not. She ended up in a sweater and jeans and converse and I made her a mug that I tried to draw the Luke's logo on it, and then and handed her crime and punishment

That's such a Loreli thing for you to do. It's just like drawing a post it note real fast.

Here, here's a coffee cap, says Lukes. There you go, fare that'll work.

Yeah, the trends really have come back.

And in fact, I know we see a lot of the kids who have done all this high contour and it's all the makeup trends on TikTok and everything. But I think the natural look is coming back. All that high flutin stuff is mellowing out. And I see a lot of Maria and her friends a lot more makeup. Yeah, it's a lot more mellow makeup. So it'll come back around. I'm sure the vampire paleness will come back to.

Listen and like the super like Matt like just powder me, powder, powder, just love it.

I loved our makeup though.

You know who looked very good in this episode? We have to talk about? This is the doctor?

Okay? Excuse me? Yes, major chemistry with Brooke? Where did he go? I was dying for that storyline? Same hard, same like, can we please find out that actor's name?

We should probably talk about him?

Yeah we should?

Oh my good he was American? Andy right? American? And which is like Chris Beatam Okay, Chris beat them? What the hell else has Chris Beatam been doing these days? Come on, Chris, Chris.

Where why didn't you stay on our show and make us all so happy?

He was so dialed in. And what I really loved about this performance between Sophia and him was that there was no wink wink, like, hey, we're flirting over the baby?

No, And I loved it. He wouldn't give her his first name in that moment. At first, I was like, oh, why aren't you? Like what's wrong with you, why don't you tell her? But it actually felt really great. I agree. Just needed to keep it professional.

That's it. He was like the first person that remained professional with her. Like think about like the English teacher she hooked up with, and then like, yeah she hooked up with that was totally unprofessed.

It was like everybody was always looking out for they just oh she did. They just couldn't resist her. But what a gross placed position to be in where you feel like no man can ever resist you, no matter what they've gotten, they've got integrity until they meet you. Like gross, that's just that that's such an unsafe place to live in. Emotionally, well, he hasn't aged a day, No, not at all.

He was inside Amy Schumer Law and Order SVU. He did three episodes.

Cocked Down Mister Popper's Penguins.

He was on Bowl blind Spot. He's got to be New York based here because he's doing all the New York shows, all right, Chris beat him?

Yeah, pan am oh, that makes sense.

He was in the following.

Yeah, like, I really her and I love that he kept it professional and was that was so caring of him to really look out for Brooks' best interests.

Yeah. Can you imagine a doctor hitting on you and then taking away a baby that he had to do surgery on?

No, and then what if the surgery doesn't go well? It's like, what were you sitting there thinking about me? Did you get distracted?

Like what?

I don't understand. Why are you're flirting with me before you do a surgery on this trial? Gross?

He was above board, so handsome. I can't understand why we didn't keep that storyline going. But I did notice the Lucas cock blocking that went down.

I noticed that too, Like and what is he doing? Why was he interfering?

Why?

Yeah?

He showed up with that coffee, and I was like, abort abart.

I think he's in the next episode. It says he did three episodes and we've only seen him in two right when he met with her.

I've seen him in three because they met the first time, Yeah, in his office, and then they've talked a second time. Because we're all like, does this guy stay? I think so, I don't know, you guys, I just think he's I don't know. He was really wonderful and like Lucas is asking, He's like, what's going on with you?

And Owen.

You know, oh he is in.

The next episode. Oh good, okay, so we'll see it. We'll see something happen there. It has to he's married. Maybe he's married.

Oh that's always.

A bump out, right, I bet he's married.

I bet he is. Someone was like, I'm all Marius Rgin, that's right. But he would have been a great match for Brooke because he's got a job where he is her equal but does not give a shit about like.

The fame part of it's not intimidated by her, so caring.

Man.

I really feel like we missed out on that. If we couldn't have a Brooke and Uncle Cooper storyline, can I please at least have Brooke and Doctor Copeland.

They take away all the people that are like real viable options. But the conversation with Luke and Brooke where they're sitting there and they're, you know, she's asking about Lindsay and he's and she says she's gonna call, She's gonna call, she will, and then Luke asks about Owen and obviously nothing's going on there, but Luke has comment about Lindsay. Was it he said, I'll be okay for a little while. Longer. When Brooke said she'll be in touch this whole thing leading up to the Lindsay okay.

For a little while longer, Oh, like I can keep holding out until.

She Yeah, Brook's crying and she says, I didn't I never told Angie that I loved her, right, And then they're like, okay, well, now let's we said the word love. Let's talk about our love lives. Yeah, and she talks about Owen. She's like, what about Lindsay. Luke says, I haven't talked to her in one week. It's been one week that I have not heard from her, And he says, I'll be okay for a little while longer, And I

Like that, Like, oh, he really is exhausting every tool in his kit to like try to get Lindsay back, And only when all hope is lost is he like.

Fine, Peyton does Lindsay Ever come back. I hope so she's fun.

I can't remember if she came back and like and he still then he chose Peyton or if that was Ever. That sucks. I just I really, I mean Lucas. Lucas was rough for me in this episode and watching him. First of all, when you walked into Trick and he was passed out. You in the shadows, I thought you were Mikayla. The way that that was shot, briefly, there was a brief moment where I went, oh my god, it Lindsay came back and then you walked out it

The whole speech that Mea gives the guys are honest when they're drunk. Oh yeah, ah yeah, So this happened in real life on the show.

What do you mean in real life on the show?

An actor who shall remain nameless. I ran into in town at a bar and they were ham boned and I walked in and they were like, what are you doing here? No one even likes you and like, like when off on me? And I was like, what, like, nobody likes you? And I was like, okay, all right, and I was like, you need to leave, and so

I don't know.

I think everybody tells the truth of what they're feeling in that exact moment. I don't know that the truth is actually the actual truth. I think it's just the truth of my feelings right now.

Yeah. I mean, look, I know who I am when I walk into a bar. Maybe not everybody's pumped for that energy. It's like cool, cool, at least you're straight up about it.

Wow. Yeah aggressive.

But then when this was in the script, I was like, wait, does yeah, this is this a reference to that?

Did you tell anybody about it? Like how did that end up getting into Yeah?

People know about it?

Okay, so yeah maybe.

But that's not I mean, look, life's wanting big quink at ink. It could just be totally random. Maybe this is something that boys do all the time, is get hamboned and say mean things to girls. But I remember playing that scene and that's what I was thinking about when Peyton reacted to Lucas.

It was a good reaction, that turn at the door, and then just what that was so innocent and sweet, Like you couldn't possibly have just said that to me? Broke my eye?

He did?

He did.

He meant it so much.

Why do you think he said that? Is it like it's really that I love you?

I don't know. I didn't love that Peyton was like stroking his hair and stuff. Like if the tables have been turned and a boy was like stroking a pasted out chick's hair and then kissing her on the head and stuff, we'd be like.

I don't know if it's a friend. It's like you care about somebody and you're just like.

But they're not friends, Like if it was Brooke, I would understand it.

They're still friends, they have such a long history. She cares about him. It felt totally just genuine and loving and not creepy at all to me.

Really, because I thought Pain was being a total creep No, just about it. I can't have you in real life, so I'll wait for passed out and then I will pitch you gross.

No, they have a long history. For me, it was it felt totally natural. They've known each other for so long, they've been through so much together. When you see somebody that you've been through a lot with, regardless of the status of your relationship at that moment, and you see them in a bad place, of course you reach out and you give them a hug, you stroke their hair, and like, I love you.

I guess see Luca's waking up. Why are you touching me?

I hate you? You wrote a lot.

Where are you touching me? No? I want it to work out for Peyton and Lucas. I just wish it. I don't know how it's gonna be justified, Like, I don't know how it's not consolation price second pickens.

Yeah, I hope that they address that. I hope Peyton actually really addresses that. Do you remember ever having conversations with the writers about that?

No?

I like, seriously, right now, all these years later, I'm just a viewer at this point because I don't remember how we get there, and I remember being really excited about getting there and like Peyton and Lucas finally getting together because I was all, I'm all for it. I just don't know what the stepping stones are. I'm still trying to figure it out, and I can't nothing. I got nothing fixed, especially not after that. I want to

It did. It's a it is a very real thing when you watch musicians go on the road and the way that their lives are, it's legitimately. I mean, we look at like our transpot guys, you know, first and last out m and it's like it's that schedule but more because you actually don't get to go home at the end of the night at all. There's no Yeah, you're just on a bus and hopefully you go back

What just the thought of like cool, I'm making an album, but to what end? Yeah, like can I can I even promote it? Am I wasting money and resources?

Yeah?

I hate it for her because she's only four years older than Mia, but just a totally different lifetime. Yes, and seeing how much fun Mea is having probably her it's a little bit too. I just love that.

Yeah, I know, I feel for Haley. She's got a lot of potential, she's got a lot of talents, and she has so much in her life, and she's holding so much, and she's holding space for so many people, and she's trying to figure out like who am I, where do I belong? What do I do? I know we're all kind of trying to figure that out. But when I look at like Peyton has a really clear vision for her future and what she wants. It seems like with the record label and not everything's figured out,

Did any of it feel triggering? Though? Like I mean, there are certain conversations that we had in that red bedroom office space that like there's one that Peyton and Mia have that I felt really not triggered by, but just it was a little on the nose for you, like you'd done the tour thing, you done the music thing, and then you just recently gotten married and you were really committed to being supportive of your relationship and of your home and you had a baby, Like not long

I didn't.

I don't think I felt that at the time. I think looking back now watching this, it definitely has a strong to that and it makes I mean, we certainly know that that was a habit in the writer's room of take just let's just write for what's going on in their personal lives so that nobody has to do any acting. Like I didn't. I don't understand why that was neat necessary.

They think we couldn't do it.

I think they just didn't want to be creative. Not all of them, but some. But it is interesting for me to watch Haley, Now, you know, how okay, have you ever heard this? The things that like, the things that piss you off the most about other people are the things that are actually your deepest flaws. And yeah, and I see that in Haley because I still cringe when I watch her a lot. I still feel like I do, and I think it's because I'm seeing things.

Sure it's like looking through two mirrors instead of just one totally.

So I'm watching myself in her, and I'm seeing the patterns of holding back communication, just fear, just like constant fear of doing the wrong thing, saying the wrong thing. I mean, I've grown a lot in my life in that realm, but I'm still I still have a long way to go. And I know that because Haley pisses me off so much. I watch it and I'm like, oh, why does it still bother me? That must mean I still function from that place in a lot of ways. God dang it. Oh yeah.

I think she's so like vulnerable and likable in these moments We're like, she's jealous of a kid, she's jealous of an eighteen year old kid, and she's got the moxy to just say it, yeah, instead of being like everything's fine, everything's fine, She's just like, it's difficult to be around you and all these things happening in your orbit because because I don't want to say that it's

Yeah, every time you say yes to something, you're saying no to something else. And I see that a lot. Yeah, I see that with Haley. It is there are those things that feel like the rights of passage. But she said yes to some other things that were meaningful and gave her different insights in life and things that felt like she just learned a lot of different stuff. But it is hard to look at the other side and not go is the grass greener? Should I have? And

She's got this mother in law as an example, though, Like for all my girlfriends that had kids in high school, because there were a number of them.

They all get to be like hot chicks at thirty eight, you know, and then they've got like these twelve years later instead of the twelve years up front, and it's just a reversal of.

Like not twelve, look twenty three years whatever, whatever, however long you want to be frisky. I just like that they stack it at the end as opposed to the beginning. And Yeah, you're not gonna miss out on it. You've just reordered which order you're gonna do it. Yeah, Haley could be on tour right now. She could be. She could be making terrible choices.

I don't know if that would make her life any better, but she certainly could be. Let's talk about, oh this is the things are funny, little random notes, just to finish off the Haley topic. Just sitting on that roundabout on the playground.

Oh, how was that?

I have such vertical like motion sickness really really badly, and so I can't do things that spin at all. I actually stopped dancing when I was younger, because I couldn't. I just couldn't. I could do like jazz and sort of figure my way through like a turn. But if you ever go to for anybody out there who has never been to a dance class, you start at one end of the room and you spin in a circle over and over and over until you're on the other side of the room. Yeah, I don't know. You don't

Well, you can do fossy. You're just not doing like what Twyla Tharp is up, the one that's always spinning. Yeah, yeah, can you could you spin? You got no problem spinning or you get dizzy? No. I have sort of like I won't go under water because I don't like water being over my head. I have little stuff like that. But I you don't get dizzy, it seems fine. Well that bad day, I don't like drops. Oh, I don't know.

You don't do roller coasters.

Sensory things. I get it. I knew a girl once that couldn't do summersaults because being upside down made her cry.

That's really funny.

On the cheerleading squad, they tried to make her do a summersault. She burst into tears.

And we were like, this is strange.

No, spinning is a weird feeling. So how did they film that? Well?

I think they wanted me to do something else. I think they wanted us to be sitting on it and facing each other and talking and spinning, and it was like a whole thing where they were gonna I was going to be running around spinning with him and then jump on and they wanted to have us have this conversation with the thing spinning, which also felt weird because I was like, well, that's not really the moment. It's not the mood anyway.

But no, it's that seventies show with like the camera in the middle with all the background spinard.

I think that's kind of what they wanted, something like that, because it was there were some stylized moments in the episode, but I just said, guys, I can't. So we ended up just laying down on this thing and you can see it. I'm I'm reading it and I'm controlling it with my feet so that if we start going too fast, I can slow down.

Oh it looked like so serene and sweet.

It was fun. I also was sick. I think I caught Sophia's cold from the last episode. I don't know if you heard that, but.

I loved that moment. Yeah, that moment of where everyone's been lying to Jamie for so long and Haley finally tells him your grandpa Dan's a bad guy. Yeah, it was so simple and clean and loving but necessary. What a hard thing to have to tell a kid.

And how satisfying that. Then she gets to go up on the roof and throw water balloons at him with paper.

So great. Wait, so hold on, what the was going on? Was I in front of a green screen at some point? Why did you notice anything.

Weird about that your footage? Yeah, your coverage was weird.

Either we ran out of daylight and they were making fake daylight so that it looked like the background was lit up but the foreground wasn't, or it was a green screen. I can't tell what's going on. But then there was another point where I think Quentin was in front of a green screen. Oh, like, there were a couple parts. You guys at home send us messages if you noticed those. There's some like weird parts that felt like they were shot after the fact. But I loved

It was so yeah, no you you pulled it off though, because it was so silly, like since when is Haley somebody that anyone has to worry about Millicent's Like, Haley looks depressed and she went up to the roof.

But that's what I think. I was being told like, no, you have to play it like it's real, and I remember being like, but.

I'm saying melodramatic this episode. Oh guys, I'm glad you did that. And how many times did it take to get that water balloon at Paul's feet? I feel like it was a lot, I feel like, and because the sidewalk had to be dried off every time they would splash the water balloon and it didn't hit the right thrower.

Remember they used the flame thrower to evaporate the water on the sidewalk.

I didn't remember that.

Yeah, dude, oh that's throw Yeah, if you need water to disappear real quick, just a flamethrower.

Let me go go get mine out of my garage.

B RB those poor people that lived across from us.

Though his endless entertainment. Well, the last thing we didn't hit his mouth, And I love I love him. I always love mouth. He's always just doing the right thing. Gosh darn it, he's just always doing the right thing.

I mean, not always he's bad with like hot chicks. Yeah, yeah, grown up mouth is doing the right thing. I loved that he knew full well he had that footage. Oh, he knew he had that footage.

And put his job in jeopardy because he was, which is dumb. No, it's Lucas's legacy. I mean, once something's on tape, it's out there forever.

No, I'm saying it's dome. They like were upset with him for not getting that.

Oh yeah, I don't know. I get it as a job as a boss, You're like, I'm going to give you a chance, go out there and get something great. And if the person I sent out to get something great at a basketball game that could have been kind of boring anyway, happens to be there when one of the biggest fights breaks out and it's this massive deal and everybody's talking about it, and he didn't get any footage I fired, sorry, fired, but I.

Can't believe Lucas isn't fired an adult grabbing a kid?

Oh no, absolutely, yeah that should have been a where was Barry Corbyn for that? We needed a whitey comeback.

That's a Dan Scott move.

Oh good call. Yeah, throwing fits when things don't go your way and everybody else has to suffer.

Screaming at the kids. Mmmm. I wonder if that dude, Oh Dan, what standsuit so big in this episode?

You're so right.

He did. He was wearing like three sizes too big, and I was like, are they trying to make it look like he's like getting smaller because he's his heart's failing, or like what.

Which is hilarious because Paul is so large. He's such a big dude that how do you even.

How do you get closed too big? Beau's what I mean?

Yes, he has trouble enough getting clothes that will fit.

It did look like a little kid is so with Jamie wearing his oversized suit and then Dan wearing his oversize suit. Maybe that's why I felt like Dan was really just like a five year old ye, Like they're both just kind of shuffle and a rown. The hairs in my face. No, we can't end. We can't end without talking about my honorable mention is that creepy doll that plays catatonic baby?

And I know it's creepy silicone baby Angie.

You guys, Baby Angie is this beautiful little girl with like.

Beautiful silky curly hair and pretty little lips and like the cutest little nose. And not only did we use one of those nasty lit covered silicone hospital dolls that people use for filming, it.

Looked like they'd brushed off the lint girl. They did multiple closeups of it. Why would you get a close up of that thing?

Nobody was like, do we have any masking tape around here? We can just like pick some of this lint uf hop off the baby's face. What happened?

Nobody thought like, maybe we should keep this out of focus, you know, like see see Brook's hand on a little chest or something, or even just like Brooke holding like a little hand, maybe a little silicone hand wouldn't The looft is weird, but like all the veins are protruding in this thing, and it's got all sunken eyeballs and it looks horrible. Yeah, was this a Halloween episode? When did this air May twelve?

Won't?

Won't?

I'm excited for Skills and ub. I can't wait to see how that starts to unfold. That was a really fun surprise. Probably my favorite moment from the episode. I can't wait to see that.

I remember thinking it was totally unreasonable at the time. Yeah, like, damn data, twenty two year old. But what's the youngest you've kissed?

Ooh, well, the youngest age difference? Uh huh, I guess somebody. I think I was, uh thirty six, thirty six or thirty seven, and I was I was snogging on a twenty three year old.

See, it's like the same age difference.

Yeah, I think it's exy.

Listen, love a gap, you know what I mean. I've been locked down since I, you know, was what twenty six?

Yeah, but you got your age gap there.

I have to live vicariously through you, So just keep going. I love that for Dab. Yeah, you know, she's texting all her girlfriends from college being like.

Guess oh what. I also love that, But you know she did. Her first reaction was this, this can't happen. You saw, like, I can't believe I showed you my no, no, no, absolutely not, you know. I mean, at least she had the first appropriate reaction and then she was like, I mean you are legal. Like, okay, all right, where are we at with fan questions? Here? We got a couple to jump into.

Yeah, Catherine wants to know. Can you explain what it means when you say that people have chemistry? Which couple do you think had the most on screen chemistry? I guess that really is like a subjective, like an industry term that can kind of seem pretentious and weird if you don't work in film, or.

Isn't it vague? Though it's the same, Like you can see it in a room with people. You can see it in a room with people. You just look look at two people talking, and there's some people that when they talk to get the way that they light up when they speak to each other, the way that their body language connects. You're like, oh, they've got a good there's like sparks flying.

Yeah.

But it's not like a thing that people applaud in other industries. It's not like you'll see two teachers who are like everyone else in the staff rooms, like they have wonderful chemistry the way in our industry, it's like the only thing that matters. Yep, true, very true, is look at those chemists with their fabulous kid their emotional chemistry.

Yeah, that's what it is.

I think as an when you're a little, tiny baby actor, I think it happens accidentally sometimes, like you just find energies that match yours in a way where you know, people talk about like higher vibration, where it's like you're just in somebody's space and all of a sudden, things start clicking and the language happens so easily, and the banter's really nice, and you're able to create eye contact that's not creepy, it's actually like lovely, and then you

You know that made what you just said made me think of Chemistry isn't always it's not always a good reaction, but it's a there's a strong reaction, so it doesn't necessarily even have to be two people whose energy matches and they get along, like it could be two people who really can't stand each other, but the combination of their respectives yeah, emotions around each other creates a reaction that is interesting to watch. And I think it's chemistry

How to You can't predict it.

Yeah, you can't, like you can try and manufacture it. That is our job, but it's not all. It doesn't It doesn't always work, and sometimes and it's so easy.

It's surprising to me some of the people that I'm really really good friends with and who I enjoy, who I have zero screen chemists with, and I've been shocked in the past, like, oh, I really thought that we were gonna light this up. We did it, totally, we

It's interesting.

And that was probably part of the reason that I got Peyton as a part, because they were like, you know who we should call that bitchy Burton girl because she likes to keep him on his toes, like she'll cackle in his face.

Yeah.

Who do you think you've had the most chemistry with in your career?

That's a good question. I don't know. I think it's the same. I mean what you just said about people that you were on set with that you felt like for sure you were gonna have great chemistry with and then you ended up not. I've had those in my life. I mean, I know there's a lot of people out there who are going to be mad if I don't say James Lafferty.

I know. And so you guys stop being so judgmental let her answer the question.

When I was doing Pearson, I really loved working with Morgan Spector, and I felt like I felt like we had really good chemistry. It was so easy. I felt like in a lot of ways we were kind of reading each other's minds in the scene, like where the other person was going to go and how we were

I mean for me graduating from One Tree Hill, yeah, where it was such an important training ground for us because we had to create I mean, you didn't you were with Nathan the whole time. I had to create chemistry with a number of different people, and it's a skill that you practice. But then when I went to White Collar, it wasn't even just chemistry with Matt Boehmer

Man?

Cool?

Yeah, that's kind of chemistry. Yeah, where it's not even just one person. Sometimes you get just the right combination in a room. Yeah, right, combination of compounds in one vial and papaw bam.

Great question, Catherine, that really was I guess I'd never thought about it either.

Well, let's spin a wheel. Yeah.

While we're spinning the wheel, I told you my honorable mention. What was yours?

I mean, I would make it the doctor, but we talked so much about him, but he's really great. It seemed honorable, honorable, the honorable Chris beat him. We miss you, We wish we could have had more of you.

Right.

Yeah, we didn't get to work with him, not at all, but the hell, I'm out all right. This week we have a most likely two oh, lord.

Most likely to move back in with their parents.

I mean, Nate in Haley are living, but I guess she moved back in with them, right, and then, like Lucas is still in his childhood bedroom, which also, by the way, we didn't talk about the fact that when the show opened after the montage, Skills is just hanging out in Lucas's bedroom and he's watching his computer, which now we know what he was watching.

But also, like, do grown men who are uh, who are not romantically interested in each other hangout in each other's bedrooms? No, that doesn't seem realistic.

Not when there's like a living room or a kitchen with a table. Yeah, such a.

High school move. I was like, what, why y'all in Lucas's bedrooms? I mean, okay, but like that just seems unrealistic.

I didn't even realize it was Lucas's bedroom. I was like, what is this weird office space in? I thought it was at the school.

I guess they were having like a basketball meeting, it seemed like, but it was in his bedroom. I don't know.

Look, Nathan is the one that has moved in and out of his mommy and daddy's houses. And like lived with them off and on forever. Nathan Nathan, Yeah, but what about in real life? In real life is most likely? I mean, Sophia's on a vacation with her parents right now. Yeah, she's traveling with her mom and dad, and she lives like closest to them. Yeah, she sees her parents.

She does, but it's not a you know, there's a stigma about moving back in with your parents, and I don't think that she doesn't fit that at all. But I don't know if.

People live in with their parents.

I'm having a hard time.

I am too. Yeah, as I'm just thinking.

Well, we just everyone's such consummate professionals.

Who would move back into their childhood home? There? That's good you, Yeah, that's the yeah. I would. Oh man, if I could buy my old house on Ithaca. Yes. Do you just listen to that Miranda Lambert song and just cry all the time. Wait, every time I go home, I drive past my old house and I keep hoping that they're like outside, so I can.

Be like who I thought to day I could touch this plates or feeling, may I come in? She replaced the whole song.

I would love to go back and buy Yeah, Jeffrey would be so bad. Baby. Guess what I did?

A great another place to live fantastic.

It's just chaining one more place to take care of Vinyl sighting. It's all that americanash that I love. Great. Well, here's to that.

I hope it happens for you. That would be fun. It's fun to have guys. The next episode is season five, episode eighteen. What comes after the Blues? I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out.

It's a finale, right, season five finale?

Does Dan's heart finally get picked up by this dog?

Yeah, we're gonna get heart confetti that we can all throw together.

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