Sparkle Pits • EP 117

Spirit in the Night. It's a secret Sparkle classic and it aired originally April six, two thousand four. Oh my god, we got our show back this week. Guys, san good. We had so much fun watching this. Look at this. We took notes again. We were so happy Greenberg. In the middle of the episode, I took a screen grab and I was like, you are a doll, baby, I guys, I loved this episode too. Was this one of our

first field trips? Yeah? I think it was. We took this on the road danger, Myrtle Beach, on the road, Myrtle Beach. Baby. That was fun. It was fun and Hayley got to be a cheerleader for the first time, which the introduction and the first time Brooke ever called Haley Haley. That's right, Oh my gosh. We also had Lee was involved, you know. Their last episode was the first time that we had seen Antoine in the high

school and now Lee in social settings, which is important. O. Our secondary characters were really like vital part of our seven tiny Risa, Daniella, all girls, all of the boys on the basketball team. I also will say to everybody at with us today that there were some very close to spit takes with Brook screams, hey, lips come here.

It was like, yeah, she is such a little tyrant at the opening of this episode, and you learn that it's because she's really leaning into the escapism of the control and the choreography and the project to fix her sadness. And and it's kind of an amazing framework, you know, with the with the cheer competition and with the game for everybody to confront um sort of the edges of

their comfort, even for Lucas and for Nathan. I mean, god, Lucas seems like himself again, and Lucas and Nathan get into the whole um leaning on each other to learn the fade away. We're learning sports terms over here. There are just good things happening in this episode and Brooke and in Peyton's friendship rekindling and men kind of. I know, it was like a little a little fumbly at the end, they're still but I just was so happy to see

I missed it even for like a couple episodes. Like I realized is that we have spoken a number of times about how quickly our characters fall in love and how quickly they like shack up and like, you know, couple up. Yeah, when other shows do the whole you know, like long drawn out thing. And I realized that in our show, the friendships are the will they or won't they relationships because Lucas and Nathan the whole episode of like are they friends? Are they not friends? And that's

been going on like all season. You know, we've got this shared thing of hating Dan, but it's will they or won't they? And now with Brooke and Payton, it's the same thing. It's will they or won't they? And so I can see why a lot of our fan base has questioned if like the true romantic si ism of the show isn't involved in the friendships, you know, like that has been something that people have talked about for years. Yeah, I actually think, gosh, that's such an

interesting Maybe that's our secret. I think it is, you, guys, because when you think about how long it takes all the girls to become friends, the sort of flip flopping over the guy for for Brooke and Peyton, I think that's why everyone's always gone. The relationships are cool, but the friendships are what mattered to us because they're they're slow and they're honest. Oh I like that. Can I

can I? As much as I love the seriousness of our friendship conversation, can I just steer back into the sizzling romance of what is happening in this episode between Karen and Larry. Oh, guys, if we could just make it weirder than be great. It was like, let's do this love triangle between the kids and then let's have their parents took up. Like I just I get that it's a small town, like I fully understand, but the whole incestuous of it nature of it just gives me hives.

I'm like, totally get it, totally get it, but there but there were major vibes there. I have to acknowledge it's pretend those aren't are real parents, but it's still creeps me out in a way that feels mortifyed. Like when they came on the screen and they were flirting, I was like, oh God, what do you do. Everyone just says, it's if clueless did it, if clueless got away with it, it's all. It's okay now, I guess I will say. I am currently watching season three of

Sex Education. It is my happy show, and there is a whole thing between Otis's mom and Olah's dad and Otis and Ola you stay and like, this is apparently a dynamic in small towns on television, but I felt that, I mean, Hillary, I need you to know, like clearly neither Karen or Larry is one of Brooks parents. And when that started happening on screen, I was like, what are our parents doing? It felt crazy because I think that, you know, for us, they really seemed like the worldly,

know it all adults, the responsible ones. Yeah, when we were when we were little babies, we were messy, and it to see them have like genuine chemistry, which now as adults we know you can have with your friends, with your coworkers. It doesn't actually have to be romantic, but at the time it felt really real and I'm having I'm having feelings so from trying to figure out like the back story because Okay, so we know that Karen was a Treehole Raven cheerleader, which is exciting, like

for her to cop to in this episode. We know from a former captain to another. By the way, Karen was the captain. I was captain, you know, like a little bit deal. But she's like, we're the we're the same girl. I came to check on you because my son's an idiot, and also to let you know I'm like you. Well, but we also know from previous episodes that Whitey knows Peyton's mom because she was a cheerleader. Now, Karen had Lucas at eighteen, right, and so I have

to imagine parents. You know, Peyton's parents were older. So if they were like, you know, a lot of grades ahead, Um, that means that Larry Peyton's dad would have potentially also been of the tree Hill lineage. And so if they're like class of eighty eight, you know what I mean. Like, I'm trying to figure out that I wish they hadn't known each other. Wouldn't that have been nice? Yeah, It's like, how do they not know each other in this small town if they all went to the same school. Unless

he's significantly older, I don't know. Well. I wonder if maybe Peyton's mom and Karen were the same age. But then when they went off to college, Peyton's mom at Larry like as a freshman, and maybe he was a senior and they had Peyton, so Karen knew of him but never knew him. I don't know a story point, do we Peyton Peyton's mom grew up in Tree Hill? I forgot Yeah, because remember when Whitey and Peyton are

talking at the cemetery. White He's like, I knew your mama know that she was, So I feel like she would because they were old enough to adopt Peyton. I feel like she would have been a little bit older than um. But that kind of makes Larry sexy. He's like an older alumni, as opposed to Keith, who she's grown up with. You know, Keith is like I just completely ignored the reality of our show and started writing a rom com. I was like they met in college,

they had a baby adopted. I really went for it, but I actually think there's something really there's something really interesting there of of a familiarity. But then also when you lose people, when you move on, and and because Larry's always gone, he's always out on a boat, like he's back to be with Peyton now she's sixteen. He doesn't want to miss anything. Karen just went away and doesn't want to miss anymore. I wonder if they're connecting on some moment in their lives. I don't like it.

It's gross. It still makes me feel like a kid. You guys like, I'm just grossed out. I don't like it. There's also there's something really cool that happens with Karen that isn't romantic, but it is deeply tender. At the beginning of the episode with Deb and Karen at the cafe and she's like, sweetheart, you have to stop cleaning the counters, Like I get that you're stressed, and you realize that in the last episode where we were in the upside down and everything was awful side we were

in the upside down, it was bad. But but Karen said to Deb, like, why don't we be partners? And Deb said I can't. It seems as though now they are and deb is, you know, confessing her fear and her and her heartbreak to Karen, who just says, your son's going to forgive you. You're a good person. I liked that moment. Those are important moments for us to see. And I, you know, I don't know what Karen's basing

her whole you he'll forgive you thing? You know. It feels like foreshadowing in a way, like has Karen does something that Lucas is going to get mad about? Like you know what I mean? Um, I I don't know. I feel like it was just like a device, like there was to have a character who had a sane voice. It feels weird that the deb doesn't have a world

of her own. That's what it feels weird to me, is that she's confessing everything into her ex as X and like deb has been a successful businesswoman, why doesn't she have a world of her own? Why doesn't she have friends? We are taking a turn with Debb because she when we started out, remember how impressed we were with her boundaries, with her sense of self, her sense of worth and identity and all this stuff. In spite of being married to this man who is clearly abusive

to her in so many ways. Why, how did the turn happen? How are we? You know? Why? I feel like it's happening because in the world of the show, Deb's world has been outside of Tree Hill. She travels for work, she has a big job, she works with nonprofits out out out And what the writers are not going to do is bring in a bunch of Deb's friends. So they're going to bring Deb home where she's alone, and they're going to make her friends with Karen. This

is because they don't want to hire five more actors. Unfortunate, it's unfortunate for Barbara's skill. But what I what I like that it gives us is the one person who isn't judging Deb because Dan has held this over her and threatened to ruin her life. Nathan is making his mother the sinner rather than his father, and and everything feels misogynistic again in the writing, everybody relaxed and and

Deb leaning on Karen. Karen is the only other person who's ever been in a relationship with Dan, and she is like, are you crazy? Of course your son is going to forgive you. Like it almost seems like Karen isn't even going to tolerate Deb's self flagellation, her self criticism, and and I like that that. Karen's like, of course you went looking elsewhere. That guy's an asshole. I know that feels nice. Have you guys ever done that in real life? Have you ever like gotten close to the devil?

You know? Do you know what I mean? Like, like I dated somebody on one trail and when we broke up, I ended up dating his old best friend, and like only because it was the only other person that knew what it was like to be disappointed by that person, Do you know what I mean? It was really are you really asking me that? Like we've all done this. It's like it's the same, you know you've done it. We've all done it because it's like we can talk

about it, you know. It's like I can't talk about this really frustrating, embarrassing thing with anyone but the person who also loves you, you know, or loved past tense, or the person who's also been betrayed, like we share that we were both betrayed by this person. I actually think that's quite common, whether or not anybody talks about it. I it's it's the same reason that like in a completely different world, not in the closed circuit world of

a of a show landscape. But think about like people who meet in you know, when people who meet in rehab, they're both suffering the same wound, and they can sometimes have a commiseration that gives them something that nothing else can commiserate. Friendship, that's a strong bond. Listen. Sometimes that's a bad idea, and sometimes it's a good idea. And I don't know how to tell you how to tell the difference. Listen, if we hate all the same things,

chances are we're gonna be friends. I love that. Can we all talk about something that we all hate, but God, we love to hate him? Sweet Angel? Paul playing horrible Dan Scott cardboard cut out, Oh my god, the cardboard cut out where he's grinning. Oh my god, Joy, was it you say that the little one still lives? No, Sophie, Sophie, I haven't, guys, I have the miniature cut out, Of course I do. I'm going to ask Paul right now.

I'm gonna text him, and afkan text him, Okay. I Paul carried the way he played that scene and This is where you know Paul is the sweetest human and he's such a good actor. He played that scene with the subtle, like pulsing energy of camp. Like in Scary Movie where they're making fun of scary movies. Paul is actually making fun of Dan Scott while like puffing up

his chest as Dan Scott. It is so funny. And then when Craig Shepherd throws the basketball at the cut out, it's poetry and it's a wonner Like they didn't do it as an insert, It actually happened, and it is poetic, comedic justice. It's so good. It's so good. Remember this episode because you had never been a cheerleader in high school? Right, Yeah? I was for like one day and I went, this is not for me. I want to know about that one day. Tell me about that one day. Um, I

don't know. I think I just signed up for cheerleading and I just tried it, and I thought, I don't know, I really don't know. I just uh, I wasn't into it. I just didn't care. I didn't care. I think that's what it was. I could have cared about soccer or I don't know, maybe softball. Because their strategy and like, I don't know if I guess for whatever reason, I

just didn't care. I tried it, but um, but then I did do um the sequel to bring it on and uh, we had cheerleading camp for three weeks ahead of time with professional cheerleaders. They came in and we trained in that gym on Hollywood and Highland, the giant church at the corner of Hollywood and for Franklin, Franklin

and Highland. Um. Yes, so we trained in there for three weeks and by the end of it, you know, we were being thrown up in the air and doing lifts, like full extension lifts on these guys hands, and I mean I was like, it was so cool. It was a really fun experience. UM. So I had a little bit of that in behind the end dance training because I grew up dancing and stuff. So I felt pretty

comfortable doing all of our stuff that we did. Um. I. I we were laughing during the during the routine because you know, the choreography was mediocre, and uh, you know, we were all obviously doing the best we couldn't and we were good for actors to to be doing cheering, you know, cheering filming in eighteen hours a day, When are you going to learn a routine? I know That's

all I'm hearing you say. When you're like, we had three weeks of twelve hours a day of rehearsal to learn saying routine, I'm like, interesting because they taught us our routine like a day before exactly. Oh god. We'd get thirty minutes and they'd be like, come on, girls, and you're like this. We were like, guys, we don't know it, we don't know it. And they were like, you'll be great. And we watched and the Hillary I

think you said it. You were like, look every shots close up because there's no wide shot where we're all insane over, no group shot, we do, no rehearsal time, lots of torsos. It looks when they do the shots where there's more than one person, it looks like the moves are staggered on purpose, and I promise you at home they were not. Whoever was behind the person in the front was just following the move of the person in front. A second later, I did competitions cheer squad.

I did go to n c A cheerleading camp, and I made the national squad and I was like a super cheerleader. Damn it, I love that, and it damn it killed me to not be good on what trio ll Like even I was struggling with those moves because I was like, it's not fair. It's not fair for them to not give us the proper rehearsal time and then throw us in and be like just move your bodies and like basically throw your arms in this direction.

We'll shoot around you. I've been cheerleading since I was nine years old, and man, we could have done it amazing. We could have. If we'd had a couple of weeks of rehearsal, we would have killed ye never never never. And so then on top of it, they're like, we're gonna put you in front of a thousand extras and we were like, okay, good story. The extras were hecklin us. You guys. They were laughing in our faces. They were because they were all serious cheer squads and they were like,

oh my god, these girls. On top of all of that, we're getting the pressure of like pull it together. We're wasting film. We were still shooting on film together, We're shooting on film, you're wasting material. And then on top of that, pull it together. Your show is gonna get canceled. We have this big corporate endorsement from Secret Sparkle. They're watching you like I was like, I will sparkle my forehead and deodorant if you need me to just make it.

Stop making me dance. Let's go to the Secret Sparkle of it all because oh man, explain to the kids at home who don't know what the Secret Sparkle was. So the Secret Sparkle Classic was the chair competition. No, it wasn't was made up. It was made like it was. It was basically Nationals what Hillary is talking about. Um, but it was the TV version, and it was the TV version because I guess they got Secret Sparkle at the time. They made a glitter deodorant and they got

Secret to pay, you know, to quote indoors. You guys, they made a glitter deodorant. Don't let's not blow past that glitter deodorant. Okay, guys, I love glitter. I don't know why you want to hate on it so much. I've never not bought a sequence anything, jumpsuit, pant, dress. I don't know what you want me to tell you. Like most days I dress like a teenage boy. However, if I see, I literally I just moved to Canada and I packed four suitcases and in one of them

is a pair of sequin pants, so damn it. Of course, of course, I just the idea of drawing attention to your armpit, just like, check it out, guys. It's not hair, it's glitter. And it was for lasers too. It was like, before we could get rid of hair, guys, would you rather have a glitter or hair? I say glitter. I don't know what you want for me. But like the funniest part is, and now that I'm hearing you guys talk about this, I remember I vaguely remember them basically saying, oh, no,

we're gonna be fine. All these girls are cheerleaders. Joy did bring it on. Hillary was competed in Nationals. They thought we didn't need rehearsal time, and it's like, no, you get to Nationals or you do bring it on by rehearsing all day every day for literal weeks. That's how so we had really sparkly armpits and terrible choreography. As the play of the story. Well, let's talk about who had great choreography. And that is Marvin McFadden. Wow. I loved that moment so much. That was so fun um.

I love God, bless Lee Norris for learning all that going for it. He always throws himself in a hundred and like shaking his assa that he didn't have a problem learning the choreography, but that's so funny. Also a lot less to do in this episode though, I mean we were working ones. I was going to say that's ruth because Lee only worked two days in this episode and we worked eight, so his days of rehearsal really paid off. His choreography was flaws when he when you

go when Haley says, what's a diagonal? And he collaps and goes it was It was such comedic gold. I know I said this earlier, but it bears repeating. I really feel like we got our show back. And and even with the boys, like we've been seeing you know again, it's in the writing. Bad behavior was being modeled and it's almost like I almost feel like they took it so far in the last episode that maybe, and maybe

I'm giving them too much credit. I don't know, but maybe even the writers were like, WHOA, that was a lot and suddenly in this episode you have this beautiful storyline of will there wan't they with the brothers and Lucas and Nathan go to the river court and did you guys notice that this is when we started lighting the whole city on the other side, so twinkle, so beautiful, and Lucas is trying to teach Nathan the fade away and they're just these boys. They feel like boys again

having this experience. And then when you get to Charlotte or Raleigh or wherever this place was, wherever we were for the deodorant glitter Um, there's gorgeous Myrtle beach there. It is gorgeous. We don't know, guys, were just pulling. We're pulling rabbits at the hottub was fun, but but there's that gorgeous super wide shot. It feels like a movie of Lucas and Often walking into that gymnasium and you realize it's just these like two young boys up

against the world and it's touching. That was Those were the moments that reminded me of um. What was the movie that Mike Tolin and Brian Robbins had done together, was they had done a basketball movie before they sold this show. It wasn't that the movie. Antoine did coach Carter in it, That's right, and it was so it was so beautifully shot and those big epic moments of you know, somehow it feels magical and intimate and huge all at the same time. And they did a great job.

And there were a lot of shots in this episode that reminded me of that vibe, which is what the show was sold on. That's what our show was sold on, that that vibe, that image. So yeah, we got our shoeback. My favorite shot of the entire episode was the hallway shot where you see the chaperones go through and make sure everyone's in bed and then all the kids out of the room, because I full on remember those nights

going on field trips in high school. I went on every field trip, imaginable, student, government, theater, sports, like whatever is if I could leave my house, I went on that trip. And I loved like hotels and we did. We would sneak out. We wouldn't do anything bad. We certainly weren't going to strip clubs, but we'd go to each other's stuff and it was I remember going on a government field trip and like it was when Lifetime did If These Walls Could Talk? Do you remember that?

Do you remember that? It was all that Leslians. It was like, you know, the first time then those relationships were being profiled on television and I was into it, like fascinated. And my I'm sitting in my room. I'm in a hotel. We have cable on like I did at home, and my sponsors call our hotel room and I answered the phone and said hello, and they're like, Hillary turned the channel and I was like what, They're like, we can hear the sex seats from your room. Oh, sorry, guys, anyway,

I'm sorry. Yeah, listen some you got to like go out of town and sew your oats. Totally. I loved. I also remember us filming that stuff, and I can't remember if they had a bullhorn and they would yell, or if they had an air horn at the end of the hall. They needed a really loud noise to get everyone to open the door at the same time.

And how funny it was when we get it wrong, and it was like it was just such a charming behind the scenes experience, but to see it on camera, because again, you know, for everybody watching along with us.

We filmed this stuff for hours and hours. So when we see it cut together and the comedy is like chefs kiss, the timing is perfect, you go, oh my god, we really did it right, and it's so sweet eat to then have this moment where you're like rut row and when everybody gets in trouble and Barry is screaming, how could you? How am I sopolarious? And you and you realize he's not yelling at the team, He's yelling

at Karen and Larry. H it was I love that we kept our basketball players and our cheerleaders for the run of the show. Yeah. I thought that was really special. I love that that that they really made an effort to do that. It was so cool. And this was a cool episode two because you know, so many of the gals on our squad were our friends, like some of the dearest people in our lives. And this was the first time with Teresa, you know, getting chicken pox.

I hated Brook being like, cover up is it? But it's like, okay, it's the joke for the chicken pox time whatever. It's okay. And there's a lot of Victoria in there too, which was kind of fun. To see that's true. Oh my god, that complete away with the zair. But like seeing her more on camera, seeing Dan yellow more with her like that perfectly just shocked face when the other girl is mean to us downstairs. Bevin getting her first line on camera, it was just so special.

Remember when they named her Bevan on the call sheet, like they like she could only be Bevan, Like give her a character name. What was her first line? What did she say? It was something snarky to Brook, it was about it was it was okay. So when we had the rot Bevin's first line, I didn't write down what it was. Well, so when we were shot that scene on the quad, part of my mortification and all of this cheerleading is that my real friends from high

school visited during this episode. And they came because all my friends were still in college and so they came during It must have been spring break because this aired in April, so they and we only had a couple weeks between when we would shoot and when things would air. So my girlfriends from high school all came down and watched us film that cheerleading practice on the quad, and I just reder them, being like, that's not accurate. You know,

like a little vinchy about it. But that's when like Bevin had her first line, and you know, for her, that turned into a big storyline. And now you know, we can talk. Bevin's got a really successful podcast. Bevin runs her own business now. She was doing soul Cycle forever and she's got her own business called recess Um, which is a fitness program. And she moved to Wilmington's after living in New York City for years. Daniella is like in London. Is she living in London with her

twins or something? Daniella is in London with three kids. I was at Daniella's wedding. It was an utter dream, my favorite. I actually just have to shout out Danielle and her sweet husband brand because you guys will remember this. When Danielle and Brent started eating, we were all in North Carolina and he's English, so he would walk into a bar and be like, you know, in his cute accent, like oh hello, and people were like, wow, where are

you from? And then they moved to London and everyone is British and dan Yellow walks into a bar and goes, hey, y'all are like, oh my, and he was like oh, I've done myself a terrible disservice. The thing that made me feel cool makes my wife katnip to everyone in London. And it's just it's the cutest role reversal. And they are just the most delightful, wonderful couple and their kids are unbelievable and it's like, yeah, man, we were all just a bunch of kids pretending to be cheerleaders and

now we're grown ups with careers. Who knew so Brett clay Well and Sarah Edwards who played Teresa. So Tim and Sarah were dating in real life when we were doing this, and so that was a fun thing because they were like the home town kids and they he wants to give us tours. And I remember like going around on Halloween with Sarah. She was just like a police officer. She was the hottest thing in town, like, oh my god, my shorts could not have been shorter.

But she was a smoke show. And so I think that's why they felt so comfortable making fun of her in this episode, because she clearly knew that she was a babe. Well she's a heartbreakingly pretty and then she's like she's like okay, yeah, you can put stuff all over my face. It's fine. Most of us were like, Wow, what must it be like to feel that confident? Cool? That's cool. But she's a mom now too, she just

had babies. It's fun to keep up with everybody and see our evolution and know that we were all punk kids together, you know, pretending to be high schoolers forever, and now we're mom forever. That's what we do now, I will say, speaking of confidence, I loved I loved when we were having that sweet mom went in the hot tub in the pool and Hailey walks out for the first time in the tree hill Ravens cheerleading costume,

and Brooks says, tutor, girl, you look bitchen bitching. And Haley doesn't shy away or make it back girls like in the Amy Schumer skit, like the girls are like, oh this no. Haley is like, yeah, I kind of do, don't on And I was like, own it, own it, own it. It was so nice. It was so fun to put on a cheerleading uniform and feel like I was part of the group, you know, and feel like just I don't know, I mean, I Haley was not supposed to be a cheerleader. She was like something else.

And so to be able to play with you guys for a little bit and do that, I thought that was really fun. It was it was new and I to get dressed up and put my hair in a ponytail and you know, a little like fake eyelashes, and it was fun. I loved that joy. Did it make a difference in how you felt on set once you joined the squad because you got to sit in the features with Craig which was also pleasing also fun? Yeah, but yeah it did. I mean, I think I think

I've always been very uncomfortable most of the time in life. Always, so I'm like, only just about five years ago I started turning a corner and being like, wait, I don't give um you know. So I think no matter where I was, there was always an element of being uncomfortable

and over analyzing and all that. But I had fun, And yeah, I think being able to feel like I was part of the popular kid's crew a little bit more, and you know, hanging out with all of you guys and um, being able to stay stay after be a part of the cheer rehearsal. So I didn't feel like I was missing out on something you all got together.

Well yeah, now I know, but you know, then it was like, oh man, they get to bond because there they have all they have their cheer rehearsals and they have this little club, and so that was kind of that was fun to be able to be a part of that. I thought it was also cool for the storyline too. I liked showing that Haley, you know, the Haley feeling torn between her friendship with Lucas and making sure that she was making time for her boyfriend. And that was to adult, you mean, like, this is how

it's gonna be Lucas was fantastic. Yes, And you know what else I loved about it, Haley saying to him, I don't spend more time with Nathan and you spent with Brooke, Like she without saying it, she calls him on his basics standard. Yeah, the double standard of him saying you're not allowed to change, but I am. And she's like, that's not cool. You did this, I'm doing this. We're growing up. And in a way, her saying that kind of diffuses the whole thing. And then by the

end of the episode, everyone's being friends. It's such a it's such a phenomenal way to like let the air out of the balloon, and and and you did it so tenderly, but with a with a boundary. She's really owning her She's owning her journey, which I loved about her. I loved that she was unabashably like, you know, it's it's nerve racking, it's scary. I'm not sure how to do this. I don't I don't want to hurt anybody.

I don't. You know, we're both stepping into this thing where we used to be kind of the losers on the outskirts, and now we're both in with the popular kids and trying to find our way. And there's drama, and but she owned her journey and it. She didn't make apologies for herself. She didn't try and please everybody. She just was like, I'm I'm just going one day at a time and this is where I am, and I'm I'm owning it. Yeah. I love that. I have

a theory. I think that Haley is a time traveler and is actually from the future because she's person who is exhibiting values what you are richeld Mike Adams and then time travel. Oh god, I love it. You're a time traveler. That's the only thing one who was missing time travel. Honestly, we jumped. We jumped every single shark, but a time machine. So that would have been the most amazing final episode. By the way, we all climb into a DeLorean. That's why Peyton didn't come to brook

S wedding. She was time traveling, guys. She was like a Bill and ted we need a reboot special just for this, just to time travel. Why not get it's so good? Wait wait, but comedy aside. I actually do have to say, watching this, I wish we'd had time to watch the episodes when they were airing, because we never got to see them. Were on Tuesdays at eight pm. We were like working, we were working. But I in watching Hayley assert herself and owned she deserves to have

experiences of trial and error. I'm like, oh, man, if anybody had taught me that when I was a kid, that would have been cool. But would we have listened. I mean, that's part of youth. That's why youth has wasted on the young, right, Like if we had known. But even if we had known, would we have listened? Because I sure has Hell, no, I got a lot of advice that I never listened to and wish I had, but I didn't. I didn't want to listen, you know,

so I think that's part of the day. Haley is described by Lucas and this is like the part where we're all like that guy. He's like, she used to be totally original, Haley, when the heck, like the heck you used to be totally original, Lucas, you big Lucas. All I hear is she used to only talk to you, and now she talks to other people. And you don't like he's feeling a little egg. Boys do that, right, feel they feel extra territorial. You know who doesn't do that?

Jake Jagelski. If if Jake Chigelski could walk on water, I think that would be in one tree hill. We, like I said, we've jumped every other shark. Okay, time travel walking on water. We we have to keep a list for what might come someday. Is Um the person who's allowed to be perfect? Do you know what I mean? Like, there are no flaws with Jagelski, which can be irritating. Um. He's he'll be a bit of a martyr. In season three when he tells Peyton to go back with Lucas,

which is super frustrating. Um, but for right now, the fact that he's like next door to the girls and the door opens up and he's like not a threat at all. It's like it's next door. You're so fun, you know, And he's no talking about his ex who just showed up on his doorstep in the last episode. How did we not open the episode with that moment that's so crazy that he doesn't want to tell any of us. Yeah, he's not a talker. I think maybe he's a time traveler too. Yeah, I know, Nicki's a secret,

but I just I don't know. It was such a good cliffhanger that to open the episode and not be right back. There was no deodor written. That's just sparkle pits. Sparkle Pits, sparkle pits. Oh my gosh, that's the name of this podcast episode. Yes, you're welcome. Actually, there's a moment in this whole cheerleading storyline which feels really important to call out for our fans and listeners because it made us cackle. There's a lot of very great comedy and I will say again shows back on track and

I know I keep repeating it, but I'm excited. Get over it. Um. The writers gave like a lot of good comedy, and I feel lucky, like as Brooke, I got a lot of good comedy in this episode. It's a lot of like her. It's it's her anxiety. It's like we gotta witness. We're gonna go Tanya Harding. It's like she's son. It's so ridiculous, but it's so charming,

and and the comedy was great. And then there is a moment that is clearly written for comedy, but it's ridiculous because Peyton brings Haley in and it's like she's going to fill in, and it's like this isn't gonna work. And then it's like we're gonna stay up all night. We need black coffee. Sleep is our enemy. Tutor girl, We're gonna have to do something about that hair. Oh my god, right, and the three of us started cackling because in this episode, out of maybe any episode ever,

Joy and I have the exact same hair. You guys, it is it is the same color, it is the same, it is in a straight, full blow out, the same We gotta do something about that hair and clearly mine also like ridiculous. I love it. I love this about

Brooke get away with it. Brooke could be the one who could be totally wild and irrational and crazy, but you still loved her because you saw the little girl in her and that was so endearing, and you know, you always it was like your best friend who's like over dramatic and wild and crazy, but you still love her because you see you see the little girl in her that you just love so much, and and that that never goes away. You know, the wonder that's in her,

that that never goes away. So even when she's barking at people and being you know, snide and whatever, in the next moment, she can turn around and smile and be like, oh my god, I don't know why it makes so crazy today. I'm sorry, I love you, okay, but yeah, oh I god, that's exactly. And I think because some of it, like on the page, it's like, Hayley, we have to fix your hair, and then we're standing there and we have the same hair. So I think

inadvertently I wish I'd have played that. I wish we had been able to look at each other like but it like the ridiculousness of what they would write that wasn't real. I think gave me, as a performer, the space to lean into, like, I gotta make this endearing because it's utterly ridiculous your pop talk right before the competition, where you're like Teresa's last words to us, where this sucks and this will suck if we lose, like it's perfect, it's perfect, because it's not. Guys, we have to do

this for Teresa. Oh my god, oh my god. And it did suck, I promise, yeah, you guys. We didn't even get Sparkle deodorant like gifted to us, No, because because our dance sucked. Joy. Maybe if we danced a little harder, we would have gotten some Sparkle pits. We would have gotten some gift bags. They were like, send them home, don't give them still naked? Is this something I'm gonna have to google right now? Are we gonna have to buy it on eBay? I do not want

fifteen or eighteen year old deodorant. That is not I would like to put one stick in a shadow box frame next to my teeny tiny cut out of Paul Johansson as dance trigger treat um. Gross what I also noticed in this episode, which felt like a chick did not write, um is it Brooke and Peyton or at odds like crazy at odds And the last episode was like I hate your face, I'm not your friend, don't

look at me. And even though she still hates me, we still have to be in all the same shots together and so like we're next to we like I'm literally on top of you, hovering like a psychopath, just like but you will, you know, like street stalking you. But that's what you say at the end, and actually I thought, maybe maybe that makes up for it. The thing you're talking about now that I think about it

is creepy. But I like what they wrote, which was when I said, it's essentially the calm down right, Like, look, it was fun to have something to focus on. But you did this horrible thing and we're not friends. And I thought that line was so simple and so poignant, and the way you delivered it was so beautiful. And you just said, look, maybe you're not my friend, but I'm your friend and I'm going to prove it to you.

And I was like, oh, it's great. Oh so many people have wanted to hear that from people they've loved and been hurt by and probably haven't and I I

loved that moment. I like that moment. It's you know, the Brooke Payton relation and ship is so complex, and so I like when they give us those little just really simple moments, you know, like if another teenager said that, when teenagers say vulnerable things like that, that's a risk that big deal, And so our show doesn't have to be about like I'm in the hospital and I almost died, Like those little moments in parking lots are just as important. And so I I really liked that scene, and I

like the Brooke Peyton journey. Do you guys want to talk about some gossip? Yeah, I love gossip. What's the gossip? Well, the gossip is that, um well, as you know, and you wouldn't bring it up because it's up to me to bring it up. But I was dating somewhere while we were someone from Wilmington's while we were filming this episode, and um, without with I don't think I was engaged yet, was that No, I think we were on the way

and we didn't like that guy. We didn't like it, and I know we made a signal to be like are we talking about this? But you're talking about it, We're in I'm talking about I mean, I didn't repect to me to bring up but that's what I mostly remember from behind the scenes of this of this you know, Sparkle Classic or whatever, this trip, because um, I think he worked a lot in Myrtle Beach or something. Anyway,

it came down to hang out. But like I never heard the behind the scenes, like what how you guys all felt about her, what you all thought, because I was like isolating myself, so I didn't I don't know what happened and how like dating him, like you were in the throes of romance, and all I remember is this dude showing up and coming to our hair and makeup trailer and all of us looking at each other

like who's this guy? Because he he was very territorial out of the gates and we were like, who is this? She's ours, Like this is our person and we haven't vetted you and we don't know. Yeah, And I don't know why I was like, come on in the hair and makeup to I mean, I had been around this business long enough to know that you don't like have your friends and family just come hang out in the trailer.

Usually want us to rip them apart. Maybe maybe in the back of your mind you wanted us to interview. Maybe I did. And obviously I don't want to disparage anyone. He was a sweet guy, a good dude. He was handsome and successful and you know it was there was nothing wrong with him. It was just that we were not the right match. Like we were very different places in our journey, you know, and so it didn't work out,

and that was as it should be. But I do know that everybody kind of was how didn't have a great vibe and was like a little concerned uniform. You don't have to be with him, I just do it. I know. It's so weird. Hillary, this gave us a bridge because you didn't like what was happening in my person didn't. Shure didn't and this us both hating Joy's boyfriend. That's right, so we can tell us the bridge and and suddenly you were like, yeah, you know, how to

spot a bad situation? Was like maybe, and we were we were like trying to swim back towards each other, and this was this was kind of our anyway. I'm so glad that I could be a bridge s treaker. Listen, I and my bad choices to having firm opinions about things and my firm opinions about You've never been wrong. My firm opinions about Sophia's relationship and my firm opinion about Joy's relationship maybe didn't make me the nicest person

to be around, and so I apologize for that. But I also am glad that I pushed back a little bit because you both deserved better. I love you. That's what you want your girlfriends for, you know, people to say, you know, what I will say is that when you're young and you're new, and you've like just hatched and you have good behind your ears, you don't know like you're you're either like a duckling or a bull in

a china shop. You don't know how to communicate. And for the tumult and the like good and the bad of trying to messily advocate for each other, what I like is that even when we couldn't hear it, when we were babies, we we always trusted each other. Even if we were mad, there was love and we always trusted each other. And so it's not lost on any of us that now after all these years, like the first person any of us calls when we have any

to talk about our life is each other. Because it's like, well, you saw the dumbest thing I ever did You go to that bad Remember that time I almost destroyed my life? You guys are there. Let us you lessen to you out there. You know, as a young person, if all your friends are you know, a good chunk of your friends have red flags about your relationship. Please listen, Please take it seriously that the other person the relationship is like the worst or you know, evil or anything. It

just means it's like it might not be right. You just means it's not for you. Because here's what I'll say. There is There really is. And I don't mean this to be hyperbolic or saccharin or any of it. There is somebody for everybody. Sometimes when you're young, you're you're not as a tuned to the specificities of your puzzle pieces yet, so you really you're like, this almost fits it, it's close, and it's like it's actually not close. If it doesn't fit, it's really not it's a terrible idea.

Houses that don't fit together fall down. It's not to say you're never going to argue, You're never going to have things to work out. I mean you are. There are a lot of things, you know, when you partner up with somebody, you're meant to be kind of clashing up against each other in order to make each other better people. And that's part of the journey of a relationship. Yeah, yeah, to go. So it doesn't mean that there should never be a fight. Actually, I think if you're not fighting ever,

you probably have a huge problem in your relationship. You're sleeping with other people. Yeah, something's going on. If you've never had an argument, one or both of you might be a serial killer. But yes, I agree. I agree with what you're saying. This whole friend that tells you I don't like your relationship do it because they love you. And you know what's funny, it brings me to the circle back of these relationships, these friendships that are being

pressure tested. Hayley standing up for herself and saying I deserve to grow to Lucas is a big deal. And Brooke leaning into you know, a decade and a half of best friendship with Peyton and then saying I'm still not ready to forgive you it's actually I mean we said this in the last episode, like why have we not seen Brooke crying about what happened her? And it's at the end of this episode. Those photos beautiful shot with the mirror from the chandelier and those photos of

beautifully another great shot. I mean, how gorgeously set up was that. Yes, I was so happy to see Brooke finally letting her guard down by herself and just letting it out. Broke my heart. It was so beautiful. And it's interesting, you know when we get into this one. Dwayne Clark directed this so beautifully for you guys at home, I don't know the children listening. Dick Clark is Dwayne Clark's dad, Dick Clark of like, you know, American band

stand That's right. I forgot about that. And so he comes from like legendary pop culture and I think he probably had a really good understanding of pop culture. And and that's what our show was. It was like, how did teenagers communicate with each other? How do they communicate with music? How do they communicate in their like high school setting. His entire family lineage was you know, based

in that it was their family business. Yeah, so that that inherent just understanding of how to communicate not just what's on the page, but more. I thought it was so beautiful and and there's this ending that again feels

like what we did best. Where we go from this moment of Keith coming in and seeing Karen and Larry are going, oh maybe I've been replaced of Haley, painful of of you know, Brooke, Peyton, Lucas, Haley, Nathan, all of them in the parking lot like the Core five having this experience, Brooke going home, having her her tears. Luke is taking the court again at Nathan's advice, by the way to push through the pain to start training. And then Nathan gets the apartment. The the is capitalized.

Nathan gets the apartment where where so many things take place over the years to come. You guys, did you know anybody growing up that lived on their own? I did, Well, you lived on her own? She was like, that's what I mean. I'm own apartment when I was a senior. Freezy like, how did that happen? Well, she was on a TV show. Yeah, I was in a series. I mean, financially, that's how that happened. Didn't you have to move to

New York though to do your series. Um, it was a soap and I the first year I did, my mom was terrified for me to have my own apartment. So I ended up living in my own place in Hackensack instead of moving to New York City, which was the biggest mistake I could have made, because cons the commune was bad. But also I was so isolated out there. I didn't you know, I didn't have a bunch of friends in Hackensack, New Jersey. I had friends in my hometown that I was in, and then I had friends

in the city. And she was just afraid of me being in New York. And you know, I was seventeen and whatever. You know. You listen to your mom, joy you sound like an old timey character. Well, I didn't have a bunch of friends in Hackensack. If there's anybody in Hackensack that wants to be friends with Jorian's not too late, you're like, But I did go to Paramus and shot at the outlets. I love those outlets, by the way, anybody in Paramus, I love it. I love

New Jersey and I loved Hackensack. But I should have had an apartment in New York City. Which I had eventually did the next year, I moved to New York. But why were we talking about that? Oh? Yeah, so that's so I was commuting. I was commuting back and forth. But I was the only person I knew that did that. I mean, I didn't know any of high schoolers that was on their own, like like Brooke apparently does, even though we've never seen her family in Payton, certainly does it.

And now Nathan, the one person had two parents on his own, he's like, bye, I feel like we have a lot of things to talk about that perhaps we should do after we close this podcast over a glass of wine. But we have some listener questions, and we have a question from daniel that actually just made me giggle hard because it's I feel attacked but also seen. Um. Danielle says, with this podcast, we've found out that Peyton

can't really draw. Shut up, Yes I can. Well, I don't know why anybody said this because I didn't draw those pigs. Oh that's what it is. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna edit Danielle's question. In this podcast, we found out Peyton didn't do her own drawings and that Hailey would be a bad tutor. Yeah, because remember I was saying, I like I don't have the patience and like math is would not be tutor you in history or English or spelling. A punctuation tutor, I think is important these days.

If you're ether, then on Twitter. But that's a separate conversation. You're you're they're there, Um, Danielle says our Brooks sewing skills reeled Sophia know how to sew. I don't know the answer to this either, do Joy and Hillary? Guys, all I want is to know how to sew, and I don't know how. Maybe we can teach you. We can teach you. However, I am the kind of person who will try something on and go. This would be great.

If this needs to be taken in, this needs to be handed to sleep should be the like I can design. I love design. I can't sew or draw past a stick figure at all. So no no project runway for you. I've seen you draw ish. I think you're being very nice handwriting, that's kind of that's like drawing words, yes, also very you can draw words shapes. You Know. What I will say is I'm very good at spatial math, like trigonometry. If you need a person to joy trigonometry, trigonometry, geometry,

spatial math. I can pack a suitcase, I'll get twice as much in it as any other person. I can unpack and organize a house for you. I have a girlfriend who I was doing a job with, who was very pregnant and miserably sick and moving. Her and her husband were moving, and that sweet angel that she's married to was working for a stint in New York at the time. Hacked this woman's whole house. Well, you also have thirty seven other jobs. Yeah, you did, you did.

I packed up their whole apartment, and then every night after work, for three hours every day until it was done. I would go over to their new apartment and I would and I would say, do you like this bowl here? And she would a bit on the couch with a bucket to barfin and eventually she would pass out, and I would just be like, you know what, I'm gonna keep going. And I unpacked their entire apartment. How all of their art I organized, like their light bulbs and

little tupperware containers on the shelf. Oh my god, I who am spatial math? Brooke Davis is Rachel I'm kind of if you put Rachel on Monica in a blender, that's me. I don't know what to say about it. I remember going to your house and seeing like things in shadow boxes and like framed really nicely. When I would just like nail to my wall and I was like, oh, sop, does this like nice? That's another level. I just went, this is how you know that I'm a crazy person.

The last day in l A. I had one day in Los Angeles before I moved to Canada for six months. I took four years worth of stuff that had been accumulating in a bay in in my garage that needed to be framed to the framer. Of course you did. And I was like, obviously this is what I should do on my last day in l A. Because I said to the lady, you have six months, I have no rush. You just frame all this whenever I haven't had time. Here. We are here, we are, we had

a great day together. Anything like. I remember being so impressed seen you had vintage bathing suits framed in your house that I was like, oh, that's really cool. If you could sew anything, what would you sew? Like, Oh, yeah, you are so I love a suit. I would love to be able. I want to be able to like cuff a jacket, him a pant. I need a lesson, Joy, I need a lesson. We can help you. A treasurer of Future Homemakers of America at Sterley Middle School in

five Hilary Burton, you only get cuter to me. It's so true, I'm gonna fight. Did they have Future Homemakers of America in California or New Jersey? Or is that just like a southern thing. I've definitely heard about New Jersey. Yes, I did. Four h I did like the full blown agriculture because I was in California, so they were like, learned to grow vegetables. They didn't care if we learned how to stitch anything. We got you. Maybe we just need a special live event just to learn how to sell.

Can you imagine we're going to dress in old timey dresses with bustles and high colors. Cameo pins so good? I love it, cameo wait what if on our next drama Queens Live, we dress up in old timey clothes and we learned how to make pajamas jama down because on our first one we did pajamas. Guys, I'm just saying we have a theme here and we should stick to I'm gonna crochet a neckline. Don't worry, all right, Danielle, thanks for your gripin spin spin a wheel. We're gonna

spin are most likely too? What do we got? Oh Man become president? President of what? Most? I need to become president? But like of what of what? Well? I mean, if we're saying the president, who is most likely to become the president? I guess future homemakers of America? I called DIBs. However, Yeah, who in the show was government minded? I know what would it be? Lisa? What was her characters name Millie? I don't know was she in No? I feel like it's g g oh, yeah, that's interesting

on the show. I feel like it's also again mouth, I mean, why does he fit every category? He really does? He's perfect. Mouth is really the answer if all else fails, the ANSWER's mouth? What about well Lindsay. Lindsey was like, um, you know, like a book editor published, you know, she worked for like a but she was certainly the most adult and like together character that we'd had. Why do I feel like though Lindsay would become like the president

of the Guggenheim Museum. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know what I mean. Like, yeah, she would be the chic director of an art institute. She was sophisticated and smart and savvy and like new and walk away and like, yeah, just she was a grown up. What about Dan? Oh Christ, do we really need a Dan president? I mean, we've had one. I think we could. I just feel like it's possible. I feel like it's possible. It's all I'm saying, It is possible. Yeah, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna finish

my pad tie and my wine. Sorry, I've been eating this whole time. But this has been real fun and we're so glad that you joined us. All. Yeah, thanks for having dinner with us. Um it's been an ed a mommy night for me. Friends. Uh but yeah, what do we have next week? What do we got eighteen to wish? Impossible things? Dreams? Impossible dream I actually don't know. I don't know either, because that was such a standalone episode. Where are we going? This episode didn't tease anything. It

was episode. Yeah, we're unresolved with Nicki and Jake. We're still a little wishy Washy on Weather, Lucas and Nathan are actually friends with each other or not. Um Peyton and Brooks friendship is still up in the air. It hangs in the bottom. And Nathan's got an apartment which for sure he's gonna throw a party in at some point soon. Oh, I know what's going to happen. I know what's going to happen. I do. I'm not going to ruin it, but you guys, you're gonna like it.

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