Season One Finale • EP122

were all watching, It's One Tree. The episode is called The Games That Play Us and it aired May eleventh, two thousand and four. Somebody read us an opposite tell us what happens in this episode, Sophia hit It says, okay, y'all. Lucas and Nathan have to bear Dan's abuse as he coaches them in the playoffs, pushing them both to the

breaking point. After Dan threatens her not cool, Hailey reconsiders her relationship with Nathan, and Whitey learns that his medical condition is serious and something left off the synopsis that feels pretty important is that Lucas is moving to charm Bang Deal really big deal. Didn't this feel like you guys like they were prepping this for a series finale. They were like, there's no promise that this thing's going to keep going. Like, let's give everyone a happy ending.

So the happy endings of Haley and Nathan and Dev and Keith finally hitting all that powerful energy, and finally Brooke and Peyton ending up in bed together like everybody got a happy ending, and Lucas left town, except we left Karen and tears and Dan maybe dying, although that might just be his my favorite you better hope I die. I die. He's like having a heart attack or something.

I was like, what's going on. Something that I thought was really cool as a device is that we basically play aid this whole moment in time for all of our characters and all of our little worlds in the framework of the playoff game, And so the dialogue would lead from the game back to a scene from the game, to the cemetery from the game to Peyton's house, and like, I don't know, it was it was a really cool divide, like it I liked that you did. It was really confusing,

but eventually caught on because I didn't I forgot. So I was watching this and I'm like, what is happening? Why we keep this just all over the place? And maybe it was just wasn't executed perfectly. I mean, you know, God knows, when you're shooting a TV series and you're prepping other episodes and you're dealing with lots of other stuff. I understand how some you know, it's hard to get meticulous at things like that, but it confused me until

about halfway through. I was like, you know what's funny. I think I was so prepped for the playoff game because the three of us have been like, but the player, Lucas can't move away with Keith and play in the playoffs. So I was really really ready for the game. Yeah, okay, I want to talk about Lucas walking into Dan's office of his own volition and saying, I guess I'm sorry for resenting you, which I thought was honestly really unrealistic.

But the next thing he said what I really liked, which because he was like, I'm sorry for resenting you for not being there for me. Because I was like, no, well, you shouldn't be apologizing to this guy. Why would you do that? And I guess he's trying to be the bigger person or do that for his own conscience sixteen year old kid, or just be a sixteen yeard. But that's what I was like, just sixteen year old boys really like get that vulnerable and decide to go whatever.

But the next thing he said was something about what did he say next? There was like a it was a different apology, but it made sense. He went in there and he said that thing about I'm sorry that I resented you for not wanting to be in my life, and I guess I never thanked you for saving That's what it was. Yes, I really loved that. I really appreciated that he was really tying up, trying to make emends, tie up blues ends before he left and beat just be a better man before he leaves town. I thought

that was really cool. Yeah. I liked the parallel also that Lucas kind of you know, swallows his pride and chooses to lean into his vulnerability with Dan, and it's echoed as these boys are becoming friends and brothers later with You and James in the Haley and Nathan moment where he says, you know, my pride would tell me to just say yeah, that's it and leave. But my heart wants me to tell you that I love you and then I'm not going to give up on us.

And and you see both of these. I mean, you're right, these sixteen year old boys making very grown up moves to be honest about how they feel, even though their feelings are complicated. What was big of him to open up a door for Dan? You know, everybody, it's like so easy to vilify Dan, and if Luke is trying to see the silver lining there, just to be like, hey, in case you wanted to try to be that guy again that you were at eighteen years old, like, here's

an opportunity for that. And it gets yeah, because we all would love communities to go back and fix the thing that we screwed up when we were young and dumb. You know how many times do we get that chance?

And Keith gave that chance to Dan. Also in this episode, when Keith says I'm leaving and you know, tries to have one last moment of I don't know, reconciliation or something something that the other moment that we just saw with Luke and Nathan, you know, like, yeah, it was so nice if they could just hug yeah, and Dan gives him another sniper mark and I can't, can't do it. Yeah,

Dan really stabs at people in this episode. For me, the the theatrical device of the juicy suits was incredibly powerful. This because dead in that bed velvet Hailey at the beginning of the episode in her own That's how we knew she was about to get Yeah yeah, Dan, because you were looking gorgeous like a snack, like a snack. I almost said it, looking like a beautiful, juicy little snack. When Dan does snip at you, and so then to see it paralleled later with Barb just like I'm vulnerable

to juicy. Such is such a powerful thing. I feel like we're going to have drama queen juicy suits. Y'all better justice prep yourself. It happened done. We need to d m those people on Instagram and figure it um Dan's story. So Dan going to deb while she's crying and signing the papers and that whole manipulative story about I was going to leave you that day. And for Karen, how about that super gus you told me you were pregnant.

I picked you, I picked you over the girl I really loved so that was our first hint that he really loved Karen. He went with the girl with the most money, seemingly made his decision, the girl who dropped him start his car empire. And then we know what bugged me though, okay, it bugged me that after he walked in and found Dun Dun Dun, Deb and Keith wrapped up in the blankets, so hot, so hot, I wanted to see more of it. Why did they make

us not watch that? Why didn't they? Right? They made us like do every lingering kiss ever, we should have gotten at least seven minutes seven minutes in heaven with Devin. K wanted it, and Dan walks in and he sees them and it was so vindicating, and then they both go and try and apologize to him. He was like, man, this guy has got people really wrapped around his finger, Like why in the world he's stolen his brother's company.

He you know, has rubbed it in his face a number of times that Karen doesn't want to be with him, Like every dig Dan can get in he has. And so I hope Deb had a whirl. I hope she had a great time. I hope they earned it, you know, they really did. That is a great point though, why

they're apologizing to him. I mean even it's it's so hard in that scene we were referencing earlier to see Dan be so cruel to Lucas and say, you know you're already supposed to be on the court, you know, go run win sprints like he physically punishes his boy

for being vulnerable. And then when Keith tries to talk to him this one last chance before he leaves, that it's such a gut punch when he says, oh, would you do with the ring if your leave and you must be proposed to care and she said no. I was like, oh my god, brutal, Like why are these people apologizing to this? Why are they Like is that the right thing to do? Like do we have to continually in our lives apologize to the dance Scots in

the world or struggle with this? Really struggle with this because there's a huge part of me that's like I want to be the better person. I want to not better, Like my ego is saying I want to be better than you. But if your better, Jake, it's that I'm bad. I want to go to sleep at night knowing that

I've cleaned up any mess that's out there. You know, if I feel like there's a mess and I have any control over cleaning up some part of my portion of it, regardless of what the other person has done or said, my way of living, I try to clean

up my mess. Um. So I understand that. But also there is also a codependent thing that kind of goes along with that that I end up getting taken advantage of a lot, I think because I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, I too do tend to you know, I don't want to be mean. I don't want to step on anybody's toes. I don't want to assume the worst. And so I do that for long enough that you know that I end up waking up and being like, wait, I'm being totally taken

advantage of. Why have I been allowing this to go on for so long? Who does them to you? I'll fight them. Do the list, you just pass it along. It's my it's my whole life. And by the way, that's I'm equally responsible because I allow it to happen.

And so that's the question of where why do deb and Keith and Lucas and even Nathan sometimes like why do all what is that about us that that makes us feel that we need to perpetuate the cycle of like allowing somebody to hurt us, and then we go back and we're the ones who apologize even when they don't. What is that? Yeah? Well I think you're right, though, Joy, And perhaps I think you're right because I see myself in the explanation you just offered. Are dead to me?

I hate your face. I need someone those boundaries, Hillary, Yeah, we've been learning boundaries in our adult lives. Um. I certainly think that for me, in trying to learn boundaries, the thing that was the hardest to accept was not everyone deserves the ever. Not everyone deserves you being the bigger person to try to clean up everything, because it puts you in a position where you're constantly afraid that it's you, that you're failing, that you're doing something wrong.

And and really, what it takes me back to and we've been we've all been talking about this dynamic with him that is so well represented on our show, which is probably why it hurts to watch. Those are abusive relationships, Those are being in codependent relationships with Um users or

all the way up the ladder to narcissists. And I think that it's like, uh, it's hard to know when your desire to always figure out why something's happened and learn from it and learn the lesson and heal from it and make everybody be friends, Like do you really have to do that with somebody like Dan Scott? I don't think it's an optimism. It's a level of optimism

that's lovely. And I love being around optimistic people. And for me, like as someone who's prone to say you real fast, um, it is good for me to be around optimistic people. And I like watching optimistic people. So I like watching the characters in this episode try try again, try and try again, um, and it may work out. I mean, I don't know what the hell happened season seven, eight nine? So does Dan ever? Does he ever? Circle back? Is all the effort worth something? In the end, We're

going to find out. I'll find out. I don't know it, but we have a lot of optimistic kids here, and I think, yeah, I had no idea how many of our like signature moments and signature like lines were packed into this. I forgot to so many major things. Well, okay, here let me This is one of my favorite quotes

of the episode. Keith says to Karen, let someone discover how staggering you are to it killed me and the two of them to I know, I know, and the two of them together, and the way that they this is watching two pro actors go at it because it was so under played. They did. They weren't like, they

weren't milking it. No one was chewing scenery. For those of you out there who aren't the Thespians, chewing scenery is like He's like, when somebody just kind of takes a very minimal scene and then they literally, you know, they would nobody actually does this, but you're chewing on the scenery like you're just like making you're making a meal out of something that's smaller than that. They just were so simple and dropped into their bodies and all the eye contact and that he could see all the

emotion was washing all over them. They just sat there and felt it and then set their lines and it was so beautiful. Yeah, that really was a hard scene to watch because he's like, did you ever love me? And she just can't, she can't say yes, and that's It's like she let him be her partner for so long because for her that was enough. You know, I don't need somebody to sleep with. I just need somebody

to like maybe cook dinner with sometimes and help. She needed help raising her child's and he but also talk about allowing things to go on like he could have. He could have pulled the plug on that at any moment and said, look, if I'm not if we're not going to be together, I can't participate in this. But he didn't because he was. He was getting something wonderful out of it too. You know, even though it wasn't romance, there was something else that was deeper and was intimacy

them that they needed. It wasn't simiththy Yeah. I think it can be complicated for you know, two people who would theoretically be attracted to each other or date to be best friends, you know. And it's interesting to see the adult version of it because there's so many people that I know and so many conversations we've all had about like oh yeah, before I was like young enough to discern, and I thought I was supposed to date that person who is my friend. You know, you're engaged

to your friend. Dude, you guys are friends for how long before? Yeah, I represented didn't see it. I um, And sometimes you do the opposite. And it's like to see these adults being, um, the opposite thing on so many shows like ours, which is what all of our characters do. Like the kids are trying to figure out who do they love, who are they really supposed to be with? And I love seeing the inverse intimacy of Keith and Karen because they they love each other so deeply,

but they've not crossed that line. They've never given it a shot. And it's almost like it's been so long that that for her she can't imagine doing that. And for him, it's been his secret. You know, he doesn't have that problem. Um. Brooke and Peyton, because boy, and they loved to cut into that shot of us in the gym over and I did they did? What what was this guy? We're just making eyes at each other. I'm like, hey, you're still looking at me. I'm still

looking at you. And it just kept going over and over. It was was it the same shot over and over? I think it was the same shot multiple times. They just want like, go back to it, go back to it cut back to Brigan Peyton, but then like we're in the bar together and we're just smiling, and then we're in bed at the end and we're just smiling. Let's do something great together. I didn't realize how I was looking at you. Maybe, and maybe I did realize

how it's looking at you. But looking back on it, you know, almost twenty years later, I'm just like, yeah, duh, that is totally a Roman. They're just they're so happy to be back together and they're so happy. So what you're saying is that episodes ago you were like, God, Peyton is so gay for Haley, and now Peyton's back to me. In business, it's like Jake Lucas Haley bro everybody. Changers are experts at just ripping our hearts out and handing them to every single person who looks at us

the right way. Me love me. But also that is like a real thing, like that whole used to joke, uh in the last season on One Tree Hill, when I was like single and like kind of dating around, and I would we played this game, you know that children's book Are You my mother? Oh? Yeah, So I used to joke like, are you my husband? Are you my husband? Are you my husband? Are you my husband?

With like like people in bars and things, Hillary saying I literally I told that, Like every time I see a man reading on the subway in New York, I'm like,

are you? It could be honestly, it's it's like, uh, I don't know, because that spark of seeing someone for the first time, or that spark of like recognizing someone that maybe you've known for a little while but you've never looked at that way, that's exciting, and I think that could almost even be addicting, especially to someone like Peyton who doesn't have a stable home, and so it's like, are you gonna be my fix? Are you gonna be

my fix? Are you gonna be my fix? And Brooke is the ultimate fix, like that's the person who has loved her through everything. But I think that's also part of the depth of Brook and Peyton's bond. Neither of

them knows what a healthy adult relationship. So both of these right, they've had nothing modeled, and so of course these girls get into a messy entanglement with the same boy of course they love deeply, and an entanglement they you know, they love deeply, and they and they and they hurt deeply together because there are two little girls who have never had an adult teach them how things are supposed to go. So they're desperately looking for the

thing that feels like home. They're playing house. You know, if we can just like if you have have a house and I have half a house, if we just combine forces, then maybe we'll have like a whole situation. Um and I, you know, knowing that we were on the bubble and we didn't know whether or not we were going to come back or not, I appreciate that that's the storyline that they chose for us. That it wasn't like all of us ended up with Luke one of like I ran off with Jake. It was like, no,

this bond is the important end cap to this story. Yeah, so's the reason why, you guys, this friendship was just so epic on the show and and something that carried so many people through I mean, I think that your friendship was set an example for so many young women. And you know, they just as much as Nathan and Haley were this iconic couple, I think Brook and Peyton were the iconic friendship friendship couple of the two thousands and that shows up all the time, and fans we

never got a rainteller. Joy. Yeah, you guys had another rain. I know. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to leave soon because I have I'm in Nashville right now, and you guys friends out there listening. It's been a real pickle trying to figure out our schedules because we've all got other other projects and children and you know, all these other responsibilities and normally it's been so we find time, but this week, for some reason, it was just really differs.

So anyway, this was our only kind of time slot to get together. So you get me for the first half hour, and then you get you got these other two for the last. We're going to talk about and making the thing. They're going to carry you out. But before I go, I want to talk about that scene with Nathan and Haley, because Okay, first of all, the rain was so intense. It was like I was blinking like I could not because James is so tall and I my eyes. If you looked at them scene, I

couldn't even look up at it. I was just like this pelts of rain. Somebody help me, diving into my eyeballs um, but he looked so great in the rain, by the way, him looking down with that angle and that jaw and the rain just pouring in his face, and he looked more like a man for the first time. Totally agree. Yeah, I was, Yes, I was like, I was like, baby Jake, I know, I know what. Hell God, I remember that day though. I remember the scene in

the cemetery, and I really remembered shooting this episode. Watching this back, I went, oh, I have visceral memories of this. I remember being in the cemetery and how cold it was that night and trying to you know, we were just out there so late, and it was the first time Chat and I had been able to do a long night scene and just hang out and chat together in a really long time. So that was super fun.

But this, Yeah, the speech that Nathan gives Haley about she's clearly threatened by a sexual relationship was the one line that really bumped me. To bump you guys too, or was it just me that you were threatened by a sexual relationship? It was that you were irritated. It was on his computer, like, bro, you had this on

your laptop currently. And also and by the way, they could have chosen, you know, our our episode aired last week all about the porn they could have chosen, like websites that didn't sound as like raunchy as the one like some high ed material for Nat. They really did. But I just it begged me because she wasn't I don't think she was threatened by a sexual relation. What would be threatened that? That's so insulting. Actually literally Peyton drops her off to that scene. For me, I was like,

they're together. Oh yeah, wa if you were threatened, why am I dropping you off? Like why yeah, Like that's

clearly not it. And what what bugged me about it is it was again going back to the device of like you shouldn't care about the sex because you have my heart, And I was like, no, it's not about the fact that this is a person who's been sexual Sure, that can make you feel a little nervous about your own whatever, But the whole point is that she's upset that there has been a lot about sexual activity that doesn't include and this is someone who clearly has a

very high view of sex. She doesn't see it as a commodity to trade or something that is you know, for her, this is something that she really values and puts puts a high value in because it really is meaningful to her. And you know that's complicated when you're in a relationship with someone who hasn't functioned with sex in that way. Um, and who knows, you know, how things can change for for Nathan or how things have changed for him. But I just thought that was really

the wrong line to choose. And I remember feeling like, guys, I hate this line. Can't we change it? But it wasn't my line, so it wasn't up to me. It's so hard to change someone else's dialogue, like yeah, so I just had to like, Okay, Hayley, it's going to

forgive him. I guess I will say props to James because he took some lines that were gross and and that device of like you have my heart that we've been complaining about for weeks, just being like come on, like have a real conversation, and and he was he was to your point, like he brought a man's energy

to it, he brought his vulnerability to it. He he he sort of got over the worst of the dialogue as quickly as possible and leaned into the apologies and into how he wasn't going to be a typical guy who just sat in his pride and said we'll forget it and and he brought all this other stuff to it. I was really impressive. You know, he was eighteen years old, like doing that scene and what a what a g

our friend is He threw away the bad lines. He was like if I just see him really fast and like yeah, and then he leaned into the good lines and it was It was really sweet to watch because even though I, you know, I feel for you in that moment, joy and like I didn't like that either, I still came away from that scene going I really like that. I like that he chose vulnerability as a team.

It's just realistic too, by the way, because nobody just changes their mind and it's rare that someone will change their mind on a dime and everything's going to be perfect all of a sudden. So it's fine that he had to find you know, that was sort of where the line that he could come to to make sense of it, to keep moving forward and you know, give him space to grow. I guess I don't know, am I being too gener no? But you ended that scene perfectly. I mean the will if you have to, was yeah,

and it was such a good kiss. And then we were in his house and that bra from Edge of Urge because the whole thing about that you have to tell the bra story. Oh my god, you guys. In my notes, I literally have that satin bra and on my notes sheet, Joy, you looked so hot that probably they wanted me in a regular bra. And it was twenty one. I had never been in a regular bra on TV before. I mean, now I'd be totally naked.

I don't have a problem with it, but you know, whatever given, But yeah, at least I have no shame left, Like I'll take all the roles Kate Winslet doesn't want. But I You're like, paint me like one of your friends. But back then, you know, I was. I was definitely really nervous about that. I didn't want to be in a bra on TV, and so I didn't know what to do. And we found this sort of sports bra thing that was satin, so it looked like something Haley

would wear. Um, but I do remember filming that scene and it was, uh, I couldn't wear nipple pads because they would have shown through the satin. And so you know, it was a little cold in there when I went in, and I remember, God, I'm trying to remember exactly what happened, but I know that our director, I specifically, was like, listen, I really don't like I'm in satin and my nipples are going to show through this, and I really am

uncomfortable with that. Can you please just like shoot above it, just make sure you're like or or just wait until like it swarms up and it warms up a little in here. And he said, no problem, absolutely, and then they just sucking did whatever they wanted to do. That's what they did around it. And I was so upset. I was so upset because honestly, I could have chosen a padded bra that at least it would have been like a bikini top, but then I wouldn't have been

so exposed. But the fact that you can totally see my nipples through that shirt and it was a satin there beautiful. Hey, I got great boobs. I'm so happy about them. But I'm so happy about them that needs to be on a shirt. I'm so happy about that's right. But at twenty one, I was like, oh my god, it's a big deal. But you but you were scary. You looked so beautiful and so innocent, but also it was clear this is a girl coming into her own,

she's making decisions on her own, making a decision. I thought that you played all of that really really well, you know, and and it's iconic for for the you know, cannon of the show. It's this episode you two kissing in the rain and then getting married that carries through the rest of the series. Lucas has such a good reaction at the end when I'm like, we got married last night and dropped the bomb, and Hayley and Nathan just like like, it's cute, but Lucas was like, oh yeah,

you two. Honestly, we're so giddy and cute in that cute. I remember getting those pages. Don't remember when they gave us the pages were in red. The last like ten pages of the episode were in red. In the script, yes, because people were leaking our scripts for they were getting leaked and the red pages with the black ink couldn't be zero that's right, everything would disappear. So they gave us the end of the of the episode in red

so it wouldn't get leaked. Onto the end. I was in my trailer when I read this and I when I saw that line, Haley was like, we got married last night. I beats it out of my trail because James and I shared a trailer and I busted out of my trailer and I ran. I banged on his story, like teach, what did he say? He was like, yeah, I can't believe it. Crazy but that we could have ended the show and everything was wrapped up. Everything was nice and tidy. You two getting married was the hook

where people were like, wait, what this? It was smart and back. It was very smart. It was very smart. Inquiring minds want to know, how's this marriage going to play? Book? Girls? You talk about it amongst yourselves. I love you. I'm sorry, what are you doing? We want to we want to cheer on whatever you're working on. Oh thank you. I am you did a show, did a show last night in Nashville. And I have some writing sessions and recording

stuff that I've been just getting into. And there's just so many schedules to juggle and I had so many of these things already set up, and I'm only here for a week. So unfortunately this is my only give us our new favorite record. Joy, I love you, girls. Hey, talk about how much good music there was in this episode, by the way, because the music in this episode was amazing.

Talk about Okay and Brooklyn so delicious with all of the stuff with Nikki and I love I love their schemes and Okay, too many notes, I love you one to three ravens never more, goodbye, goodbye, I love you. Well, yeah, we have had like a bonkers week. Um yeah, what can we say about Joy while she's not here? She'll love that? Oh my god. You know what I loved Okay because the thing I have written under the satin bra and all caps is um, I loved Joy chose

to play that scene. I saw her do two things, like they come in from the rain and Nathan gets undressed, and she has this very beautiful, like feminine reaction to him, like she she allows her attraction to take her by surprise as Haley, and then she makes a distance. Is this exactly? I saw her realize that for the first time, because she's been attracted to Nathan as Haley for so long, but for the first time, her attraction didn't make her uncomfortable,

and she realized she was ready. This time, she had the power in that moment. And that's a lovely way to be in control of your sexual ality is when you feel in total control and you're hungry for it. You know, no one wants to eat a meal when they're not hungry. But but if you haven't had anything all day and you're like, you know what, I'm going to eat this entire plate of Nathan Great. I was expecting for the analogy, but I'm with you, I'm just going to eat that boy. Yeah. But here's my question

was why wasn't Haley cheering at the game? Did I miss something like? Wasn't she on the squad? I? I was wondering. Also, I think she just did the Sparkle Classic with us and then we convinced her to be on the squad for real in the later seasons. Has she not cheered at a game? We're gonna need somebody to weigh in on this. I was just like, I don't think she did. Yeah, I don't think so. I think it was just the Sparkle Classic either way, Frankly, I was mad she wasn't down there with us winking

and smiling and hold hands. Um. It was interesting to me that that they did decide to use the turn and wink to you multiple times. I was like, are are we using it as a flashback? Like what why do we keep repeating this? But I realized I think they did it not well as a device to try to lead the audience on the mystery Brooke is going to betray Peyton? You know? I mean that, me knowing what's going to happen never bought the misdirect. Are there

people out there? They did, like, are there people out there? If you if you guys really believed the Who's going to betray Peyton? You need to send us a note because yeah, fans, will you tell us? I mean, Brooks a good actress shadow hanging out in the My God, that was so could go out as soon as like, as soon as that scene came on, I was like, whoa, that's a choice we made in the makeup trailer. James Brooks, I'm a grown up and I have a fake I d eyeshadow. Yeah, don't I look twenty used to wear

a lot of lilac eyeshadow. Maybe it's time for that to come back. Honestly, I have a lilac jacket that I like so much, so maybe I should just do a whole you used to match your makeup with your clothes all the time. Oh yeah, that was like Kelly Jefferson and I who y'all know, we've talked about our wonderful makeup artist on the show that was That was

a Kelly Jefferson. She was like, I think, this girl who's so into fashion but also is a teenager, I would think it's really cool to match her eyeshadow too her outfits. And I was like, I'm obsessed with this. We're getting the note that it's season three that Hayley became a cheerleader because Brooke asked her to join the squad after newcomer Rachel Gettina tries to take over the squad. Hey, all right, one of our favorite a good team that

helps us with this stuff. You want to talk a little bit about all those scenes between Chad and James because they they played so well together. Chad did such a good job, James did such a good job. It's like they had the whole will they or won't they

relationship this whole season. So for them to end up in that space at the River Court in the end, it was just I was so touched by it because it ran this really beautiful arc of Nathan trying to help Lucas rehab them sharing in all of this experience of Dan and him just being so vicious with them as the substitute coach, and then that beautiful night shot on the river court where all of Walmington's lit up and Nathan says, I never thought during that first game

that I'd be here feeling like this, I'm gonna miss you. And when he says, you know, because you're a great basketball player, and they both almost laughed but they don't, and then he says, and you're my brother cried. I was like, chili bumps up as you're talking about it. Yeah, Like I'm actually like teary eyed again. It really watching them, Lucas and Nathan have that moment, it really got me. It was beautiful. It's sad to see Lucas's family that

he thought he had falling apart. I mean, he had a maternal person and a paternal person and they're basically splitting up and he's having to pick which person he's

going to go with. And so for him to finally have this new solid family member who loves his best friend and who cares about him and who stands up for him to Dan in the locker room, Like Nathan's fight with Dan and the locker room was it was so bad, and him hauling Dan on being a coward and not being a team player back then, and Dan like being so ashamed in front of all those boys. Tis like, I'm good, that's fine, I have to leave.

I mean, the that relationship Nathan and Luke was something that was fun to watch because it's not like, I mean, at that point were we all hanging out outside of work. I think by the end of the season, we were all just like working twenty hour days and going home and going to sleep. And so Chad James's relationship, the way they were able to just come to work and lock into that without they weren't living together at that point. Uh yeah, It's just they made it look so easy.

Just Okay, we're gonna love each other now and they're walking talks are really strong. Um. Hailey scene with Chad though, was for me the saddest scene where she's like, I'm scared, what do you mean You're not going to be here? And then she starts listening all this stuff that I like to do. She's like, who's gonna go thrift store shopping with me and who's gonna go get dumb records? And I'm just like Hi, It's like hill, Yeah, I mean,

I still don't understand Lucas moving away. I don't know why that was part of like I always think there's like a double reason why they do stuff. Was it because Chad was doing a movie? They knew he was doing a movie, and they knew they couldn't bring him back right away? I don't really know, but I think he is back right away. I really think that they but that they used that. You know, Haley and Nathan getting married was a cliffhanger. Lucas going away with Keith

was a cliffhanger. By the way, when you said, you know, inquiring minds want to know what's going to happen with this married teenage couple, and are minds want to know who left a serial killer envelope on Peyton's door? That's right? I was like, what is that? Who left that? And guys, I really don't remember? And so I think that they wanted with every kind of couplet, they wanted us to

have these cliff hairs. Dan's having a heart attack, Deb finds him, Karen and Deb have been at the game together. And that's so lay because when we first see them, we don't know that Dan has told Deb this story of I didn't want me with you, I was leaving you to go back to Karen, and Deb still chooses to sit with Karen at the game that Dan is coaching.

That is some deep drama in a small town. Well, and I almost feel like because him saying that to her, you know, she realizes that she's been just as screwed over by him as Karen was. Well, yeah, because I mean she talks about the first time she him. How many times have there been? Do we think? I don't know?

Almost got me? So she talks out the first time she tried to leave him, and then she gets like suckered back into it and that sinking feeling of knowing I was almost out of this, but I came back because I thought you really loved me. And now you're telling me this whole time I was pick number two, Like I could have gone off without feeling guilty before. It's gross. It is really Yeah, Well, she gets her, she gets her payback. With the keith of it all.

Why yeah, I still I stand by it. We got robbed. I wanted to see Barbara and Craig schefferd make out so bad because there was so much chemistry. Do you think it's like a director's cut somewhere. We gotta ask Barb like did they actually shoot a love scene? Did it not make it? Because remember our scripts were so long, you guys, we would shoot so much stuff that would get cut down. I get so pissed. I did a

whole storyline once. There's an episode in season two I think that I'm not in because I shot an entire like storyline that was separate from everyone else about me going to hang out with this foster kid. And I remember episode it wasn't in. I'm like, we worked for days on this, but it was just because we didn't have any like well, we just we didn't have time.

That was always the thing. We didn't have time. I remember when we did the in season three, the school shooting episode, and I got to shoot this amazing monologue just having a meltdown about you know what all these news reporters were doing when like my best friend was inside and how this was the worst day of our lives, and like they were just trying to get sound bites and they were like, yeah, we loved it. We didn't have time, so they put it on the extra scenes

on the DVD at the end of the season. I was like, cool, I'm really glad, I really glad. I'm prepared for that, and just left my whole heart on the floor. Though for like streaming services, do they have extra scenes like that we used to have on the DVDs? Is that a thing? Oh my god, I don't I don't know either. I don't know how it could be, Like do you have to own the DVD in order

to get all that bonus footage. Let's talk about Barry a little bit, because by the scene that he has when Luke comes to see him, it's clear that like he's having more trouble than Luke is having. Luke's doing all the right things. He's going around, he's saying goodbye to everyone, he's being an adult, you know, or is as much adult as he can be, and he's trying

to right all the wrongs. And you see this coach who doesn't have any children of his own, and who knows what this boy is going through and has watched his trajectory go from like smiling real big, like You're gonna be great. Take care of Keith Man. I love you, guys. We find out that Keith has like gone to sit with Whitey after every single home game win or lose, when when Chad leans in and hugs him and we see his face just crack over Chad's shoulder and then

he has to regroup as Chad pulls back out. They were so good together. Yeah, and Barry, I mean, what a force like man. Now as an adult, I'm like, God, I wish I'd just gone to work on all the days Barry was working and I was. He was. He was like a champion, like a nationally ranked champion in like the Jeopardy game that they play in Bars, the trivia game. I remember that I was there for some

of those nights. The other thing I noticed, too, is that Barry Corbin has the most beautiful hands on the planet. Did you see him holding the basketball? And he's got these like angelic soft looking hands he does, which doesn't make any sense because he's been like a ranch guy kind of life. What is that, Mike? What does he do? Does he go home at night and like put basselin on him and stick him in socks? What if Barry got manicures on a regular basis. That would be fun.

I want Barry Corbin to become a TikTok influencer so badly, just like teach us stuff, Barry, how do we take care of our of our hands and horses? Hands and horses with Barry hands and horses done? Um? Okay with it's the new. It's the new, Bob Ross and I'm so ready for um. You know what was fun to um? Speaking of the world of basketball on our show, I got so geeked to see Brendan Kurs. Oh that's everyone

is guys. Brendan Kersh are sweet sweet basketball coordinator who had been a basketball coach, who's just the loveliest man, played the like you know, locker room medic in this episode, and Brendan was with us through the entire course of our show. One of James's best friends, Brendan kersh and Lisa Goldstein, who played Millicent in the later seasons, ended

up getting married. Like isn't it crazy? Like such, he's such a such a good suite, just like one Tree Hill guy, I babysat his daughter for like five years. Oh my god, I love that man. And I forgot. This was his first time on camera and it was so fun to see him, and he, by the way, was a good actor. He did a good job. Like I was like, oh my god, Brendan Kersh can act.

Could have heard more of this. As the seasons went on, we got to to put more and more of our own personal experiences into the show, and I think by the time we reached this episode, we were so sick of just shaking our pom poms at the games and

just going yeah, cool, oh yeah. The chance that we were doing were real chance that I was doing in high school at Park View, And so when I I totally forgot that that we were doing like real cheers that I knew that, I was like, guys, if we do this, And so as we're doing like, let's go Ravens in this episode, in my mind, I'm like, let's go Patriots, And then when we say Ravens, I'm used, I'm just like, hold on a second, my reality is melding here. Um. But it was cool that we could

just like say, what are we supposed to be doing here? Oh? I know, let's just do this. It's super easy, super fast, and and to have two different high schools to claim. The Other thing that was really weird for me is that Lucas missing the shot is exactly what happened in our state championship game at Parkfet High School in football my senior year. We went to States. We had been undefeated for years, like all four years of high school,

totally undefeated. We go in the championship game is on a college field where the goal posts are just a little bit narrower than they are in a high school field, and it came down to a field goal. One point is all we needed, and this sweet, sweet boy who shall remain nameless, was our kicker, and the ball hit the goal post the same way that Lucas's shot hits the rim there and knowing that that kid just wants to crawl into a hole and die, and so I ran across the field and kissed him, um, which is

usually how I fixed things. But no one kissed Lucas. No, he's just no. He had to go to the locker room and get yelled at by day. I appreciate that neither Brook or Peyton felt it was their responsibility. You know, Nathan taps him on the shoulder, they're there, pal, and everyone just lets him sit on the floor of the gym. Yeah, and you you you have. I got plans tonight. I'm so sorry. She's like, I'm getting married tonight. Everyone thinks I've been talking about sex this whole time, but I'm

getting married. That is nuts. Did you know anybody that was married super young like that? Like we had a lot of chicks have babies in high school. That was really common, but nobody. I don't think anybody was married. She carried a duffel bag to Yeah, the duffel bag. I was like, where are they going? Are they eloping? Are they going to Vegas? Like, what's happening. I'm just gonna wrap this little dress up, put a duffel bag. No one will know. I'm gone. Where are her parents? Well?

Do you remember that in later seasons? Maybe it's in season two, there's like flashbacks to their wedding and you find out their parents. Oh my god, her parents were there because they had to give them permission. So here's what's crazy. I didn't I didn't remember almost any of this episode, aside from are like winking, wink your face, Like I forgot that that you know we did the misdirect and that we plotted the whole thing to send Nikki across, Like I have a sense memory of that.

And also, yeah, but we used to go drinking there, so I could have it could have been any Thursday night, Like I don't know that we were on set, but yeah, I really remember, I think because we were all so like, oh my god, they're getting married. I remember so much of the Nathan and Haley marriage storyline. I don't remember

any of my own. Yeah, it is bonkers to me that we went with it and like stuck with it for years and then it worked, like it truly worked and sent a really strange expectation for the rest of the country of like, girl just made that kid, It'll be fine. But then I guess death must have signed the paperwork too, right, I don't know, because she went to that basketball game knowing that Nathan was be married after the basketball game and that she was going to

go burn Dan stuff and have sex with Keith. Like that's a whole bag of weird. It's a lot that I'm gonna have trouble analyzing. Also, I just want to keep going back to our glancing at each other. How came us glancing at each other isn't a meme yet, Like I just feel like I need that to be the meme that we are the gift or whatever the kids call it. Are there gifts? I feel like we deserve gifts of us just looking at each other. Yeah, I also feel like we need we need more like

gift stickers like an Instagram. Where are all the gifts of our show? And those little stickers? So I don't know, you know what I mean? Crafts and crafts, young technologically brilliant listeners, Can you help us solve this mystery? The greatest line of the whole show, besides the one about Karen being staggering, you know what it is. I know what it is Karen saying the line, and I didn't remember where it came from because it became such a thing in our show that it was ubiquitous. It was

who we were. And to see them Karen and tears, not wanting to say goodbye to her son and saying there is only one tree hill and it's your Oh oh, even I was so. I was so just like shot in the heart by it. I took my notes and I capitalized the words that she really emphasized with her intonation. One and home and I was like, man, this is well and it's the thing that like people bring us, you know, things to sign at conventions, and that is always there. And it was really like the first time

the title of our show made sense. Um, we've done. Everyone's like one tree Hill. What Everyone's like, why is it? They're like, if we're going to wrap this up, we've got to make sense of this. Um. But yes, it is an iconic line from the show, amongst a ton of other iconic material in this episode. Um. You know, if it had ended here, it could it would have been Okay. I'm so glad it didn't. Um. But I feel like we were put in a really like healthy

spot that it wasn't like trauma. So many of our cliffhangers in later seasons were all about trauma, and the cliffhangers here were just really about feelings and well, I guess Dan's going through some trauma but we don't really care. Yeah, it feels like karmac retribution on Dan's part. Fine, fine, I don't care. Let him Dan, Dan. Hey, do we have any listener questions hit us? I think we do. Um. Oh, man, girl, this is this is savage. Christine, what should trying to

say here, what was your favorite and least favorite? It's season one style, can I say everything? No, girl, you rocked a halter top. You in a halter top was deadly. Yeah, you know what I did like Actually, now that, now that I'm thinking about it, the Night of the Boy Toy auction brooks little like sixties super outfit. I loved that, but like the super low rise Hawaiian print skirts that have nothing to do with actual Hawaii, and like bad tank tops, God just bury them, plase or burn them strift.

It was a really difficult thing to navigate. I have a very long torso it's an incredibly long You're no, you're you're not doing yourself very kindly. You are just very long. You are like a long, lean, elegant person. My belly button doesn't sit where other people's belly button sits, So when you have low rise things on the shirt covers the belly button, then all you see is it's just like strip a lash and it's not cute. And every other girl had cute little belly buttons with their

little piercings and things hanging out. Oh god, mid just are so hard. We're never going back to that right. No, no, no, just although I did, I did definitely see some things hitting the inner webs about how like fashion shows now that things are back from COVID, Like people are doing low right there, like the nineties are back and I'm like, not for me or two thousand four or whatever they are. No, we had those Rock and Republic genes and they were so low. But that's the waist is not what held

the pant up. It's that the thighs were so tight that the butt, the but part could be as like open and weekly as possible. It's just the thighs held everything up. It was a rough time, guys. It's it's a it's a no for me. Yeah, I mean okay, so your favorite was the sixties? What did you like? What did you like for Peyton? Obviously where we know you're not a fan of the Geese, there was a lot of sorting out with Peyton. I think in the season two I just wear thermal shirts and baby T

shirts the entire season, which is not my favorite thing either. Um. Yeah, I was uncomfortable so much on this show until Carol showed up in what season four? Um, I think that's yeah, I kind of I always too, because I'm not good at fashion in real life. I was so hesitant to give my opinion on anything because it was like, well, I don't know, like I don't know, you guys tell

me what I should be wearing. And as I've gotten older, I've learned that that's not a great idea unless it's you putting me in a power suit, like you're the only person addressed my body with its long, weird doors. Okay, yeah, I mean I liked fashion on other people. Joy had so many good looks, like her clothes. I honestly, Haley's clothes were I know, they put her in that stupid hat, they made up for it. Mostly her clothes were the best. Yeah.

She had that pretty and pink moment with the party in Nathan's apartment and the dinner party with Nathan's family was super cute. And her little foxy juicy seen this episode well, and that cute like tank top peeking out from that wide yeah last episode. I loved that. I'd wear that now. Yeah, I'm telling she's a time traveler. Yeah she really know all right, Thanks Christine for pointing out our weaknesses. I appreciate you. We got another question

from page. She says, what was your schedule like when filming? In between filming? Did you have a break between seasons and what did you do for fun during that time? Um? Yeah, we had a hiatus after every year, and so if this aired in May, that means we would have shot it in March ish April, March April. Yeah, because we didn't have a long lead time, we would always go

till the end of April. So we ended filming not knowing if we were going to be picked up because they don't normally pick you up until end of May, beginning of June, you know, Like, but then you've got to be back at work July t which I know because it was always two days after pay. So we ended not really knowing what was going to happen. And it's like, well do I go and try to book a job, Like what do I do? What do you

do this summer after season one? Well, it's so hard to try to book a job because most jobs won't take you because your TV show has a thing called first position, meaning they're the ones who basically own you. And so if you get another job and then your TV show gets picked up, then the job you're working

on is just screwed. So it was really hard. It was really hard to find jobs that would fit in that tiny hiatus window of May June because nothing, nothing gets done before July ninth, because it's the fourth of July in the US, So you had to kind of try to find something that would fit in there. And so yeah, I was like running around, you know, trying

to work on little movies and learn stuff. And it definitely took me a couple of years, Like like you were saying with feedback with fashion, it took me a couple of years to be like, oh, yeah, I probably shouldn't go do a job just because it shoots in my hiatus. If the script, girl, I'm not actually gonna learn anything there. But I was like, you know, twenty and I didn't know anything. So I made some really

great movies and some that were not so great. But that's just part of the Yeah, I mean, that was the summer after Season one, I went and did my very first movie with Jason Ritter and Autumn Research and Beth Grant and Alison Janny and Cheryl Hines. Incredible was like summer camp and it was such an easy, chill set and our set had been so spastic that I was just like, what the heck is this? And like, Jason was number one on the call sheet on that movie,

A perfect human. He's a perfect human, and he was such a good leader, and I I felt like I learned a lot from him just about like empathy on set and not knowing what everyone's going through and making everything real light, like he keeps stuff light, but he's still really caring. And so that was a perfect person for me to work with after the chaos of One Tree Hole because it really was like bananas on our set,

and that was a safe place to land. Plus I went to Tennessee where a drink moonshine for the first time. That was pretty cool. And we would send karaoke at the Papa top Um. So I felt like I picked those hiatus jobs just based on where they were, mean, because it was like New Orleans. You and I both did that. We both did New Orleans. We live in

New Orleans for the summer. Yeah, I was like, I want to go there by done um, So yeah, it was you know, I think it was important for us to take breaks because we were shooting a show about school and we were shooting it kind of during like school year, and then we'd get our summers off, and so I still felt like I was in high school until we were what we were following the same cycle. By the way, I still kind of followed that cycle,

like I do nothing. It's actually so funny. I remember Joy and I once we were like sitting around talking one night. We were like, hasn't been kind of weird? Do you think? Do you think are we like a little emotionally stunted because we were basically in high school til we were yes, yes, does it? Does it hold you back? And I was like, I don't know, maybe that's why we feel young and foxy and fabulous, Like

maybe it's a positive thing. But yeah, it was very weird to to sort of repeat high school for the decade after high school. I mean, it's crazy. I tried to explain. I've got all these people helping me with the renovation here, Like there's house painters and there's like carpenters and things, and they're all twenty five, and I think like, hey man, we're peers. And then I realized I'm the old lady. They're like, hey, you're like my mom's age, and I'm just cool, tell me more kids.

You're like, Wow, Mom's age, Mom's and I are hanging out. You guys like jin Blossoms. What baby? You want to spin a wheel? I want to get you to bed. I've been working so hard. I'm so proud of you than I mean same. I just wish I had a little time off and I could come help you. Lasyalo all right, wheel most likely to win the Nobel Peace Prize, I mean probably you. You're the advocate. So Fie is like, is there a problem? I'm here to solve it? Check

out the hook while my DJ disolves it. Oh my god, dear, I know you are a problem solver, and you are tenacious and infatiguable, and you have already made such a difference in so many people's lives. I think that's kind of like a no DA. So you don't get to fight me on that. That's a big duh. But you get to pick the person the character in the show. H gosh. I'm just trying to sit here and swallow you more than anybody. I was wearing my I'm a

Voter shirt yesterday. Today I'm wearing my Tyler Hilton's shirt, Like, honestly, what would I do with that our cast to give me clothes. I love it. I love it. The urch is so good. Um gosh, a character on our show. I would most likely win the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, is it weird that Karen comes to mind? Like, I don't know why. I'm just like she was the most together person who was doing things like gentle Like in the grown up years, was there anybody doing anything like

political or advocacy. We didn't really get into politics. I mean, mouth in the grown up years becomes a journal. Okay, so probably always big mouth. It's always mouth, but that's because he's perfect, like the rest of us are a mess. But you know he would he would probably be here. I love it. He would like he would tell some crazy story. He'd win a Pulitzer, and then he'd win a Nobel Peace Prize and all would be right to cover some like crazy injustice, shine a light on it. Okay,

I'm into that, don't you think, set Um. I'm excited to come back for season two. I'm gonna level with you, We're gonna have to address my hair in season two because I burnt it all off the summer between one and two. So once I get over that hurdle. It's an emotional block for me. Um, I can't wait to get into it because season two is bonkers. It's funny. I don't remember season two because we were having a really good time. Um, I love you so much. I

want you to go get some rest. I want all of you to rest up, because season two is going to be a banger. Episode one is the desperate Kingdom of Love. God. That's okay, let's get desperate. Friends, We love you. We'll get desperate, but in a fun way. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens o th h or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you next time. We

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