Say the Thing!! • EP308

I know. That's how you know your friends have your back, and they're like, take some time off for your honeymoon? Did you so? Thank you much? You're you look fantastic. Did you take a vacation for the first time in your adult life? Sophia, I couldn't believe it, I said too. I said to Grant. I was like, I feel like we've been away for a year. He was like, well, it's been two weeks so far, and you might need to take more vacations. And I was like, I don't know how this works, but it is so good to

be back with you. Angels. We are here for season three, Episode eight, The Worst Day Since Yesterday, which aired originally on November two thousand five. It is the first game of the season for the Tree Hill Ravens. Brooke is reeling from her drunken mistake Let's call it a drunken disaster.

Dr Lucas choices us making poor choices. After Lucas found her in bed with Chris Keller in the most incredible camera reveal of all time, she decides to take matters into her own hands with her designs Peyton and Hayley mint fences to support Brooke in her time of need. Ncas is having a hard time focusing on the game, and Karen and Dan continue their campaigns on the radio, but Karen is presented with some damning video recording by Mouth always the hero Don't Don't. I liked this episode.

We had some doozies that I was not into, but this one was like back to happy sad, happy sad. That's the balance of the show, you know, Yeah, yeah, there's some fun stuff happening. It kept my interest the whole time. I was like, what's going to happen, What's going to happen. It didn't feel like it was lagging or it didn't feel like an episode where the writer's room was just desperately trying to patch something together so they can keep the episode going. You know, no more

bottle episodes of weirdness. And so much of the dialogue felt real. I felt like, and I don't know if people were ad living a little more freely in this episode because you know, the director was giving them permission to or what. But so many convert stations felt really real and snappy and quirky, and it didn't feel like dialogue. Yeah. I always love seeing the three of us together too. There's something something magical about those scenes. And the boys

are fine. The boys are fine. We love them. Everyone knows that we love them. But the scenes were were together. I'm just like, I just love you guys. This show is fun. I love it. Step away from the Kike. Yes, when you guys walk into the apartment and I just have my face in a tropol Okay, good god, I think I ate like four cakes that day. It was miserable. It just felt good. I was like, I want to watch this for an hour. Did he sing to you? Yes? Scene? It was so good together and the humor in it,

everyone trying to help been saying the wrong thing. And each of us saying something as advice but then realizing it was like a diss to something else someone had done, like I'm not gonna leave them a message. I'm sorry. Look. Oh my god, Sophia, you're so good at being overwhelmed by shames. The amount I literally wrote that, you guys in my notes. It's notes notes, Oh my god, I'm a groupie, and in all caps the shame. I mean,

we've all done that. We've all either kissed the person or like hooked up with the person that we have to explain later. And it is such a miserable feeling, like the worst and laughable later. You got to give yourself like a grace period. We can laugh at for brook now, but oh yeah, in the moment, in the moment,

it's so awful. I remember even doing that scene where Lucas walks in and it looks like Brooks alone in the bed and then Chris pops up behind her, and even filming the scene felt like a nightmare, like I knew I could see even though I was in it. It was like I had a bird's eye view. I had like left my body and I was up in the corner and I was like, this is awful. Were you freaked out about like the fans reactions like were

you at all? Where like they're going to revolt? And think you know, because I can watch it now and still be team Brooke and be like, but she said they weren't exclusive, what do you want? You know? I mean, look, I knew people would be upset, But what I will say I appreciated is that, you know, sometimes the writers would want to wrap up a storyline in an episode

which doesn't ever let you dig into something. And for all of the beginning of season three, you're really seeing how Brooke is trying to learn to cope with her feelings and she doesn't know how to get over feeling betrayed, and she wants to trust him but she just can't and she's scared. So I felt like, I mean, I felt like it was a step too far. I was like, cod,

she's gotta like bang this guy. We're teenagers. But I also thought so many people look for outlets for their pain that are not healthy, and when you're a kid and you don't have the language, like I could understand it if it had happened in the second episode of season two or three. I think it would have been real, real bad. Yeah, yeah, I love that about Brooke. Brook is so good at living messy, living messy, just big and loud and messy, and the same way that Peyton

is so um aggressively chasing after life. I feel like every day ship Peyton is just like there's a fire in her belly always and wherever she is, whatever she's doing, she's even when she's tender, it's just like her your heart on your sleeve all the time. Everything you know or it's like it's bottled up, but your heart is always under sleep. I don't know how to explain that, but that's one of the things I love about Peayton. But for Brooke, you're so big and messy. It's just

a big, giant, messy life. And to be able to do that, um, I think it's actually really beautiful. I maybe I just envy it because I wasn't able to live that way for a long time in my life, and I'm just starting to discover the freedom of what that feels like. You are living right now, yes, but you know it's it's hard to do. And I think you can see it in Haley because she's she's a lot more bottled up and controlled and just trying to do everything the right way. And Brooke certainly has I

feel like she's got pure motives all the time. But it's just that she allows herself to be a mess and it's kind of great. She's puppies, like Brooke, Davis is fun to look at and really fun to pet and fun to play with. But sometimes they shoot on the floor and you just have to be okay with

that if you like puppies. Guys, I had big puppy energy for a long time, and it took me a while to be like, oh, if I as a person, I'm gonna love this big Sometimes that's going to be really messy, all right, I'd rather love everybody, man, No, we this is a fun episode two because we got a real basketball game out of this episode, right. This basketball game was shot so well. This is the most

interesting basketball game we've had on the series. In my opinion, it was and it's as much basketball as I can handle, let's be honest, like that montage was a solid three and a half minutes. Girls and Jack's Mannekins song, Yes it was. I wonder if that's how they got their rights to the song. Was that they had to agree to play the entire the song in its entirety in the episode, because you know how they chopped things up sometimes, Oh so you can pay less? Is that how? It was?

Like furgular song? Right? So Jet? Yeah? That that album Jack's Mannequin? You know what was it? What was the name of that album? Do we know? It was? Like? Yeah, it was. It was a really good album. And I think they were courting him to come on the show because he hasn't come on yet, has he not yet? Not yet? He comes on eventually and like shot a music video and really became like one of our you know, raw ra artists. Um, but this was I think their way of kind of like stroking his ego and be like,

hey man, we want a whole song. We only gave really gave these other guys like forty five seconds, but we're going to do an entire basketball montage a mixtape and it's gonna be freaking radical. Was it? Wait? Our producer just dropped a note in the chat? Was it everything in transit? I want to google this? Hold on? This would make selfun did this? Um? We had as John Asher directed this episode? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah? He did a really nice job with the sports, I

have to say, and the comedy too. There was a lot of everything in Transit two. Genius. There you go. Asher was always really good with movement. He did a lot of like really a live movement, and I think it especially in an episode like this, like even Hillary, when you and I go into the store and we're stealing all the clothes back, like we're moving through the store the whole time, there's never stillness, and it adds

an element of excitement. Yeah, it's very cool. Maybe that's part of why the episode felt like it was flowing so well and moving so quickly from storyline to storyline. Everything, all the pieces kind of kept moving. I think it helped that he's a really young He was a really young director. He was only a few years older than us, you know, and having that kind of shorthand. You know,

he's a guy that grew up in the business. His parents were in Hollywood, like has been around in his whole life, so he had just as most experience as every other director we worked with. But he was just a baby um, and we could improvise with him, like to your point earlier, Joy, we could add live because he was like, yes, let them just say it the way they want to say it. And yeah, sometimes older school directors aren't as game for that. You know, you're

bringing the wild kid. I always felt really creative when when Asher was around, like we could just play and have fun and didn't take it so seriously. You know, which it really turns out usually turns out the best

performance in my opinion. Well, and it's an interesting point you make Hill about sometimes with older directors there's a stiffness, and I think especially when you know someone who's in their fifties is coming in to deal with a bunch of kids that are twenty two, they're like listen, kids, and you're all You're like, okay, Because you just got out of college. You're like used to shutting up when your professor tells you to. And it can be intimidating

to try to play with an authority figure. But to like play with someone who kind of reminds you of like your cool young uncle who you always called your cousin because he doesn't feel old enough to be your uncle. Like it's a different energy for sure. Yeah, he's going to play dodgeball with us after work, like like drink with us when we wrap. You know. Also, God, I wish we had him on the episode because I have

a question to being a movement. When Nathan goes in to tell Chris Kelly's that dick, and Chris thinks it's about Brooke and then Nathan shoves him, Tyler fell all the way over that chair in a way that like he felt real. Yeah, that did, because there's no stop, Matt. You can see you can see the floor. So only when we do a stunt like that, they like frame it so that you can't see the floor, so there could be something that there's nothing there. I think the

camera department was just like we called it. We called it. I think I bet John told Tyler just fall just like let him, don't try and stop yourself, just fall over. And he wonders if like he was just standing so close to the chair and James bopped him and he just went that could have been it too, Like it

was so genuine and embarrassing. Yeah. I love that Tyler was so game for it though, because you know, he didn't try and stop and be like oh whoa, I didn't give he just he something right along with it. You know those memes where It's just like in sports, like a basketball you know somebody it pretends like they've been fouled and they just throw themselves on the floor like it's a little shove. But the next thing you know, they're like twenty feet away and they're holding their knee

and remember, what are you doing? Oh, we kind of pounded on Chris Keller in this episode. I love slapping him in this episode. And then that's like one of those things that fans want to like have Tyler and I recreate all the time. They're like, you guys have done so many Christmas movies, but we like it better when you hit each other. When you guys walked in there so pissed, enjoy you started in on him, and then Hillary you watched in. I literally, while we were

watching it, thought hit him and then you did. I was like, I really really liked the Haley Peyton stuff in this episode because I never understand me. We've talked at nauseum about like why Peyton's being a dick to Haley Um, But I appreciate that there are there's prob progress in this episode, you know, like like Haley and Nathan, She's not groveling anymore. Like things are feeling nice and Halien Peyton, there's progress there because people are just talking

about how they feel. It's just feeling so MOPy. Everybody was moping for a while, so it's nice. Lucas really is the only one moping now well, And even when Nathan called it out, Nathan was like, just forgive her man, Like God, so good. There's something I was thinking about watching that scene with you guys in the car, which was so nice. We'll make shot nice, Sophia not it's green screen. Well it was a very bad green screen,

but very good act your parts. I totally like NS and I was good, but you guys were so good. And you know, we were talking earlier about how Brooke doesn't have the language to cope with how she's feeling. And there's a shared understanding when Brooke needs help, because Hailey and Peyton are two women who have screwed up and have worked their way or are working their way into forgiveness for their mistakes and and and into forgiving themselves. And when they see that Brooke needs that, it kind

of saws things between them. And then in the car, the first young person who seems to really be able to admit what she's feeling in this episode is Peyton, and she says, well, I think the reason I've been being such a bit is because everybody leaves and you're the only one who's come back, and I'm taking out all that anger on you. And I was like, that's beautiful. That's that heart on her sleeve stuff I'm talking about. She's so honest and it has nothing if not honest

and edged sword. Guys in my own life. I'm just like, sometimes it's hard to have to not be Payton story in real life because I think, you know, these were formative years for us, and I was kind of that person anyway. That was just like, I'm gonna tell you exactly what I think, whether it's good or bad or whatever. And there's a good obviously, there's like a good part to that too. But sometimes revisiting our sordid youth and seeing you know, myself act like Peyton, and I'm like,

why was I so combative? Who we could temper things as an adult. Let's just we don't to tell the whole truth, Let's just tell a fraction of fourth. I like this with Haley and Peyton too, because I never had a sister growing up, always wanted one, but never did, and I don't know that. I had a lot of friendships where I knew how to fight and that it was okay if you fight, like it's actually okay and probably healthy, and then you just apologize or you know,

figure out what happened and then find your way back. Um, and you didn't have sisters either, Hillary, Uh, well, neither to do so, I mean, but so like I was part of like a big pack of chicks though, Like I had the same girls from you know, sixth grade through graduation and then lived. Oh yeah, my girlfriends from home were like sisters, you know, and then I went to I went to school and had to live with nine women in the dorm. So I had had a little bit of practice, but not you know, I wanted

that's huge. I never got that, and I always wondered, how go ahead? So what were you gonna say? No, I was going to say, that's amazing. I mean because as a kid, we moved a lot. So I had two great friends, but every couple of years I'd move and then we'd have to sort of start over. And my experience when our show started is the friends I

had made in high school did not like it. What they didn't translate, like it really didn't turn and it was really ugly and sad, and I have I have three girlfriends that I've had since middle school, but like, truly I don't talk to anyone else I went to high school with like it was. It was like pretty cruel and that experience mixed with like, you know, the stuff we all carry from when we're kids in our

little brains don't know how to process things. For me, because I didn't have siblings, fights I learned in my family, especially with like the dysfunction at the sort of level of my grandparents, was that if you fought and people yelled, everything was nuclear, like the world was over. So there were things in my twenties that I learned to just not say and I just internalized like fear, anxiety, sadness,

feeling like the odd man out kind of vibe. And it took me until much later, And it took me until like really making like the core best friends that you have been in my life for the last fifteen years to unlearn some of those things, to have people say no, you can tell us stuff and we can get in an art like an argument isn't a fight. Arguing is okay. Sometimes you have to argue to get to the point. Sometimes you sit on the couch and cry and bury your soul and someone cries with you

and then you feel better. But like, arguing is part of communicating sometimes, and that has been so powerful. But I just I didn't have examples of that as a kid at all. That is hard to find, yeah, outside of your family, because the thing about family is you're stuck with them no matter what. So there's you know what I mean, there's a there's a sort of a safety net there. Um. Obviously you have to be careful not to abuse that privilege, but there is a safety

net there. And and I also moved around a lot as a kid, and yeah, and I think I guess living in big cities to New York in l A, I've found that that's extra hard because everybody sort of keeps everybody at an arms length. And so if someone does something that people are like, you know, a friend

might be like, I can't believe she did that. I can't believe uh whatever that that it would they just stopped talking, like And I've been I've been guilty of it too, and I'll notice behavior and someone that I'm like becoming friends with, and then I'm like, hmmm, I'm just going to distance myself. And sometimes that's good, but not always. Sometimes it's worth being like, hey, do you know that, like you actually interrupt me literally every single time that I'm talking. And I don't know if you

know that you do that? Not you, but you know what I mean, I have friends like those kinds of things that you would never say to people. You're just like, you know what, I'm sick of hanging out this person because all they do is interrupt me and it doesn't occur. You know. Now that, um, I'm getting older and I just have more experience, I start realizing like, oh, some people just aren't aware that they do. It doesn't mean that they're narcissist or they're self centered or they're like

not worthy of being friends. They just I'm just using this as an example. But you know, um, but there's things that that instead of working through them, you just move on to a new friend until there's friction and then just move on to somebody else. And because I never had sisters growing up, it's been hard to find girl girlfriends. Living in big cities where you know, feel safe to just have a big disagreement but still love each other and come right back. One of the reasons

why I'm so grateful for what we have here. I just feel terrible. I wish I'd known all this, because like when we were kids, we didn't talk about like our upbringings or like the difference between being an only child or being one of a lot of kids, And so I always fight, and so I can only imagine how awful I was for you guys to experience, because I'd be like, what the are you doing about that? You know, like, because for me, I have a feeling for five minutes and then it's over and then it's

just like, okay, what are we singing a karaoke? But I can only imagine how traumatizing that was for you too, And so I'm just like, I'm really sorry, like I'm feeling really emotional about it because you don't you don't know like I I do. Come at everything like Peyton like splat, this is the feeling. Okay, well I do

that more now. I'm way more like that now. But also what a gift like, because yeah, for sure there were there were early times like I totally have a like, so you and I gotten a fight about something and then everything was different. But isn't it interesting that years later we realized that he who shall not be named knew we got in a fight about something and then got in both of our ears because he didn't want us to make up, And it took us a long

time to get there. I mean long, it's short really and now the grand scheme of things, but it's really amazing, I think in the way that we all talk about how this has been such a gift for us, and it's fun for us, and it's ridiculous and it's delicious, and it's all these things. But we've each, separately and together when asked about this, talked about how healing this is.

We've been able to sort of re It's like we've reparented our younger selves together and not to be like so woo woo, but in the sort of generational tradition of women like being the ones who collect in the village,

we've we've healed our little village. And I think, especially like Joy and I have talked a lot about this, learning things about how our brains have worked that we didn't know when we were younger to find safety in women when your lack of tools as a young woman made you think, Oh, I'm the one who's not safety. Everyone else has a thing, but I don't have the thing.

So I'm just gonna hang out over here. And like, I love everybody, but I think everybody's secretly hates Oh my gosh, always to unn that, like to scoop that out of your innerds and have space for this, like I wish this for everyone. Yeah, absolutely, more of the story. Kids, Just say it, Just say the thing, to say the thing,

and then move on say the thing. And in fact, it's probably why Peyton and Haley were able to hear their heal their relationship because for last five episodes, I guess since Peyton has been mad at her, she's been very direct, I'll tell you exactly why I'm mad at you and her, and then that's it. And and Haley has had a couple of things to say about it as well. And even though they didn't resolve it, they were both being honest. And the honesty is so important.

So don't be passive aggressive with your friends. Don't be you know, everything's fine, it's fine. Whatever you said, it's fine, it's not fine. If your friend says it's fine, just like pusher, no it's not. And you know what, I will say, we didn't have this language when we were in high school or twenty year olds pretending to be

in high school. One of the most helpful tools that I've learned in recent years is to say, I don't know what your experience is right now, but what I'm experiencing is what I'm feeling is not off base or is there something like to just make enough room for someone to realize that the two of you might be having different experiences, your vulnerability, your experience is painful that I have found can be such a key to having a constructive Oh no, this is what I'm thinking, or yeah,

that's kind of annoyed me, but I didn't mean to hold on to it or whatever, rather than a I didn't say that and then it turns in but you know, you know what, I started a little bit of space. That is such good advice. I heard something kind of similar the other day. Not the other day, which is probably like two years ago. The other day. Time time

is a construction. We don't know what time is anymore, but it was somebody and I started incorporating this into my communication, which somebody said, Um, I I feel like this is what's happening. I'm having a desire to commit to win emotion and I but I don't. I need information from you. You have to tell me before I can commit to an emotion in this scenario, so I need some info. And it was so great, and I've started using that. UM and it's great because it gives

you a pause. You can just take that. You know. I'm dog sitting for a friend of mine, and the first three nights I was here, UM, another friend of hers came and picked up the dog and took the dog to the house and dog sitting and I eventually on the third day, I was like because then I heard, oh yeah, the dogs are gonna go to somebody else's house for a couple of days. And I was like,

do you. I was like, I feel like you don't trust me with your dog, and UM, but you asked me, you know, like so before I commit to how I feel about that and like making up that whole story in my head and what I'm gonna do about it. I was really like the information from you, and of course it was like, no, it's not about you and all the dogs on the other side of town. It's the easiest way to get her back here. We didn't want to put you out by making you drive all

the way out there to get her. And you know, it's like not about you at all. It's fine. So that I could just relax and release it, and I didn't carry it around all day like I had been all morning, like oh my gosh, am I like people don't trust me with their pets. I mean, I know I can be get irresponsible, but I raised a child. I raised a child. Have you seen my beautiful child?

I can do It's okay, that's hilarious, joy, but you know what I mean, like just being able to say I need info before I can commit to an emotion. Here I need info and you and Nathan are communicating so well as because here's here's the important thing. Your friendships, especially when you're younger, our practice for your long term relationships, and if you want to get married, your marriages right,

and so practicing healthy fighting is honey. Come on for your engagements whatever you collect I understand the collective marriages because um or you know, life is long, you know, do whatever you want baby um, but it is you have to practice with your friends in order to be UM well exercised in that for your like more intense relationships. And Haley is doing that. She's practicing it with her friends and committing to Nathan. And she's not groveling anymore.

She's not sad. She's like so acute in that little outfit, just that little Cherland outfit. I loved it. That was fun. I started to I was happy to be a cheerleader, but I was annoyed that I had to be there on game days now, because Haley never had to deal there on game days except they were like, come between like five and eight night and we'll get your shot in, you know. Now, it was like I gotta be there all day long. But it's just so stupid. Those are

champagne problems. I mean, they were paying me. I was happy to be there. That scene was so sweet, especially to counter that awful violent moment between Dan and Nathan. Obviously, he's like he's scared, he's heartbroken, and he walks outside and there you are. He says, you leave it for me, killed me, Like she's a little safe place for him. She was right at the right moment she was there. Oh that was so good. Yeah. I like seeing them come back together. And it was very sweet, the little

phone call and yeah, it's the immediate phone call. Super super cute. Um. Yeah that back to that thing with Dan in the locker room. The abuse, that thing up intense abuse. And you said it too when we were watching it. Can you imagine how embarrassed, not just embarrassing,

is like too light of a word. How it's humiliating, humiliating, shame, the shame that would create to have to have your entire team watch you, the star basketball player, get abused by your father and Whitey shows up with the bat. Whitey came in hot. It was so good, like chariots of fire. And you know it was interesting. I had a moment when we were watching it go down because the team had walked in white He was at the door, he was about to talk, and then Dan came in.

And when Dan had Nathan up against the locker, I'm going, where's Whitey? And then you see the door swinging behind him and he's got a bat, and I'm like, God, he's so cool. He just went right to his office to get a baseball bat. I love that man, just who lets Dan in all these spaces? This man is everywhere? And I wonder sometimes, like with the scripting of our show, like at what point they were just like, screw it, We're gonna just let him be everywhere, you know, Like

it doesn't need to make sense. He's at the river Court, he's in other people's homes. He just knows how to find everyone all the time. He's a stalker. He can just show it. And you made a point, I think, Joy, you said, you know who lets parents just walk into the locker room, And now that we're talking about it, I'm realizing, Well, we've established Dan is a complete narcissist. He's abusive. I mean, the way he's manipulating deb in

this episode, making her own script, it's so gross. Of course he would walk right into the locker room because he thinks it belongs to him. Yeah, of course, he thinks everything belongs to him. I still embothered by the inconsistency of the fact that, let me tell you something, when one of my daughter's friends parents followed me so far.

When her friend's parents behave badly, Um, you know something, if they yell at one of the kids, or if they if there's anything that I hear about it, they come, I'm sure you do to him. They come home and they're like, so and So's mom are so and So's dad did blah blah blah, And you know it's word travels fast, and in a small town like Tree Hill,

world travels fast. So Dan walking into a locker room this is being one of the you know, this is probably like four d and seventy five on the list of things that he's publicly done to his family or anybody else. How are people? How is he still running for mayor and still see me? Like he's talking at the PEP rally. He's like a pillar, a beacon in the community. I don't understand. You know, these parents know

what's up. Their kids are coming home like, you know, yeah, Dan was rough and up Nathan in the locker room today. And you know, I feel like maybe though, that's why there's the moment where Mouth has the video, because Dan screwed up and he did it front of everybody. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So much of the insidious stuff that he

does is in quiet. It's in an aside. He gets in your face here in Narcissists know how to look presentable to people who don't know them, but at home they're monsters and he did it in front of everyone,

and now there's a video. M Okay, great point. It's also worth noting to, Like, I think, because we were young when we shot this show and they were older than we were, we just kind of took it for granted, like, yes, of course it makes sense for a thirty six not even they're playing thirty four year old because they were supposed to be eighteen when Lucas is born and Lucas is only they're playing. Is it even legal for Dawn to run for may or do we have to be

thirty five or something like? You know what I mean. It's like the idea, So this kind of this idea of reputation, you know, as local politicians are just like local business people get older, you know, scandals come out in your in your forties and your fifties and your seventies, you know, like whatever, Dan's really really young. Like maybe the the word isn't out there with the voter base because they're not people that he went to school with.

It's people who were like decades older than him, and they just remember like the golden kid. On the cover of the local newspaper. You know, the kids went to school with noise and actual But you know, typically voter base is a little bit older, and they're like, Oh, that's that winner, that's that Scott kid. What a winner. Yabout my car from him? I bought my car from that boy. What an ambitious young man. Yeah, well, I

can't wait to see what happens with this video. I love it, and I hope that Karen doesn't high horse it and be like, I'm above releasing this. She should. I was like, she's going to be classy, and I wish she wouldn't. No, I love a smear campaign because it's the truth. Tell me the truth. Can release it. Karen doesn't have to have anything to do with it. She can just be like, whatever you do with that is none of my business. But I really hope I

wake up and see it on the news tomorrow. Well, and also, it's a wonderful tool for deb who has had Dan dangled this idea of freedom over her head. If she's got a video, she can show a judge and be like, this man hurts my child. She doesn't have to play his game anymore. You know, she's got physical over proof. This is the bed day all over for Dan Scotty. Oh you know what I will say on a on a high note, whether she releases the

video or not. For Karen, Moira played that moment with Karen and Lucas so well, which she goes, well, then it's her loss. You know, someone once said to me the best way to get over the money to get under someone else. Oh my god, I just realized what that meant, Like it was so so cute, funny, so cute.

I am philosophical than that. The scenes between Karen and Lucas are so I guess I never clocked him before because I didn't have a kid, and now I've got this twelve year old boy with a mustache, and I'm watching these interactions between a mom and a son and I'm like, oh my god, these are the conversations that I have with Gus. Like we just watched Breakfast Club and asked that is this that you guys really talk? Because I was watching the episode of like, did boys

really talk to their mothers that way? Yes, my son, we just watched the Breakfast Club and he had so many questions and he was so angry with Judd Nelson's character because he stuck his face in Molly Ringwald's lap under the library table, and Gus was disgusted, and so at the end of the movie when they end up together, Gus is de gusted and he's like asking me all of these questions and like Jeff, for sure Gus would be into that character because he's like the edgy one

with airing and like, yeah, yeah, no part. Gus wanted no part of that character. And so having those conversations about like sexuality and respect and you know, just kind of like ethics with your child, Gus wanted he held my hand the whole time we watched the movie. He just had his little head on my shoulder so I could scratch his hair, like I love seeing it in an older boy, you know, like sit down with his mommy and be like on the boat of the joke

of shoulders, mom, and just like cock do it. You know. It's not trying to be cool. He's like, mom, all the girls are being really mean to me, and nobody likes me, and I just wanted to go to homecoming with somebody and I'm just going to go pay my door black. That was hilarious, So yes, baby, I can tell by the black do or other side of the house you got jobbed. I love too? Is that in a weird way, He also gets mothered by Rachel. Yes, she's move on, get over yourself and get out of

my car. I'm better than this. I was like, yes, girl, you go. I loved it the way daniel delivered that line, the I'm better than that. You know, she's like you, you've been using me to make Brook jealous. That's fine, but I'm better than that. And I know that she

didn't say it in a mean way. She didn't say it in a cocky way like Danielle played that so totally correct because it was just it was just a young woman correcting a young man in a way that wasn't malicious that he could hear, and being like, so we're done with this. Okay, good, you don't do this to me or anybody. Yeah, it would have been if we made an arrangement, but you don't get to just do this and pretend like we don't know both know

what's going on. And I liked that she didn't do it in a way of like I'm better than this, Like she wasn't hurting my feelings. She was just like, this is gross. Stop it. I'm not going to tolerate it. It was so at I guess that's why it feels to me a little bit like Karen and Rachel are kind of mirrors for him. They're both looking at him in this episode like grow up, stop pouting. Well, and it's kind of nice. She's also the one that calls out Chris Keller for being a creep coming into the

high school hitting on teenage. Yes, it's so gross. We've talked about it so much. Why boy hanging around? And even when he walks in, he goes three cheerleaders. It's so right. Then, it's so gross. And she just was like, you're disgusting, You're a pervert. And I loved I loved that. Somebody said it also, you just said the thing. It's like, Dann, is this the episode where the Chris Keller Dan Scott

theory started? Maybe I know your mother? Oh yeah, that's right. Well, apparently this is a fan there's a big fan theory that Dan was just dropping a little Easter egg, but that Chris Keller is actually Dan's son and Chris is the third Scott brother. That's true. I don't think I've seen so many fans say that though. They're just like, Chris Keller is totally one of Dan's God's kids. He's

a young Dan. He definitely functions like a young Dan, just showing up random places, walking in wherever he thinks he belongs, picking up you know, any woman that he sees that He's just like, oh you, I'll pick I'll pick on you. It's gross. It's super gross. Um, and it's Tyler is the only person that I think could have made him work in a way that feels lovable, because otherwise it just comes off so sleazy. But because he is so it's still yeah, he can't help it.

Even playing a sleazy character, the pure goodness that is Tyler seeps through. So you gotta love to hate this guy. It's so true. We were we were debating while we were watching. We're like, Okay, fans, this is going to be our poll for you guys, who does Tyler look more like Elvis or Chris Isaac? And I just always

such a ringer for Chris Isaac. But you're what does the Elvis thing is very really I see a lot of Elvis to you know what I want somebody to do you know how they do those things with couples where they put your faces together and tell you what your children would look like. I would love for somebody to put Elvis and Chris Isaac's together and see if it's Tyler home. Okay, somebody's got a project, has that app I don't want to download it, I'm lazy, but he has it and they could just tweet it to

us and it would be great. Thank you in advance. We appreciate it advance for your help. We're at at the point where we should probably take a fan question or two if we have any. One of the highlights of these bigger episodes is that we have like everybody in them, right. You know. We've got Tim being Tim with the tramp stamp, which is delicious. We have g G being like totally infatuated with all the basketball players, which is super a little swoo, she's so cute, and

we get to see all the boys. And it's nice to hear their real names announced at the beginning of the game, because our basketball players were a huge part of our show and they didn't necessarily have lines, but they were important, um and so to hear their real

names called out over the loud speaker. And then we've got our Bevan, who is so funny in this episode with her giving Whitey like this is the place, yeah yeah, and then like being the one with Chris Keller that's like okay bye, you know, and then she looks at Rachel and goes sorry, she's so good and you I mean, I think most of our fan base knows that Bevan recently lost her husband and she was on our show like two months ago talking about how wonderful he is

and their life that they've built here together in Wilmington's. Um. You know, I don't people can't see us because it's the podcast, but I'm in a hotel room in Wilmington's right now, and what I can say is that we've had more time together as a unit in the past like six months, Like all of us we've seen each other at weddings, at these celebrations of life, you know, like we're all able to interact. Convention coming up to

we're going to be back in Wilmington's. It's um. I don't know, the universe putting us together, the gift that we have that we got to grow up together, and we've got kind of this record of it where we get to you know, cheer Bevan on, you know, in a moment like this and be like that's our girl. Um, it's cool. And and being back here with everyone like you guys, I told you we saw our director of photography, Peter Kowalski, like Leonora's drove down, Daniel's here. You know

the magic. I think there are a lot of the fan base is like, um, it feels like suspension of belief. It's like this was a magical group of people. This was like a magical experience, a magical show. It feels so weird to be back for the first time post pandemic and it's like it's real. You know. It's like everyone's out walking the loop. Everyone's like going to the Brasserie for dinner. You know, like the magic is just

real and the community is real. And um, for our drama Queens fans that have uh gone to Recess Bevan's business that she built here with her husband, that has been such a gift and it really means a lot to her, it means a lot to the other girls that work there. And so if you're coming to Willington, well if they're coming to Willington's for the summer, or for an anniversary, or for any trip at all, Like like Recess is part of the drama Queen's Scavenger Hunt.

So just make a plan of taking a class with any of the teachers there and then yeah, be a part of this community because we all know what just just like it's so special for us when we meet y'all and you're wearing like a close over Brose hat or a T shirt with Peyton's art on it. Even if spinning is not your thing, Listen, not all of us love Cardio. Um you can. You can pop by Recess and say hi and get a hat, get a

T shirt. You can support the business and you can do that for our girl because it's I mean, you said best, Hillary. It's like such a it's been such a season of reunion for us, and it's so odd to be sort of celebrating the highest of highs and also lifting up our community in moments that are the lowest of low And I think what is so beautiful to watch is that no matter what it is, we're all here, Like whether it was Puppy piling in the corner with all of you at my wedding or everybody

who could flying into Wilmington to hold Bevan. It's like, after twenty years, no matter what, everybody's there and it's you know, it's the family. It is the most meaningful stuff. Like I couldn't have predicted it in a million years, you guys, like when we were year olds, Like I couldn't never ever have predicted we'd all still be in love with each other. And way that's just kind of it's wholesome, foundational. Yeah. Yeah, So at some point the three of us are gonna have to do a spin

class together. I can't wait for you. I'm the least coordinated woman on the planet. You've seen the cheerleading dances. I don't know what you guys want, but we're here for each other and that's awesome and um, and we appreciate the fan base also being here for us. And so we'll answer your questions. Now give us the questions, your questions, let us give you the love. Hailey wants to know, how did you come up with the name Drama Queens for the podcast and how did you all

come together and decide to do it? Um, Hillary, were you the ones that said drama quits one of us. Just it was like in the pile of names, we were throwing names out. I don't. I don't remember who said it. I mean some of the other names we were thinking. Remember we started with most likely too. That's right, it was most likely too, it's the most likely to in the yearbook. And then that actually turned into our wheel are most likely to use, like our spin the wheel.

I don't it was one of YouTube drama queens. Is definitely not me. I don't remember it was me. It was because I was getting made fun of. It's like somebody had made funny like drama queens, and I was like, you know what, We're going to turn a negative into a positive queen teen drama And it just felt so egotistical.

How many teen dramas are out there, and for us to be like, no, no, no, no no. That was so bitchy in the funny way, now in the best way, and it's tongue in cheek, and you know what, everybody made us feel real bad back then we're taking back our calm and it's goddamn it all I'm saying. Those behind the scenes of the Teen Choice Awards, we were not beloved and we got picked on and so that is I've got a chick shoulder about it. While we were still on zoom, like that's it, that's the name.

Oh my goad. I like split screen to my computer and I got online and started ordering crowns. I was like, no, we're doing it on my crown who deserved this? You did have tiaras so fast. I ordered so many options, but we went through so many names. We were just spitballing for like a week or two, and then finally you just said that and we all were like, oh, that's it. Bango bango that somebody locked down the LLC

right now. That's but Sophia brought us the idea of podcast because you've been doing work in progress and you were like, yes, we can actually like work from home and provide yeah, and like make things cool. You know, there was a lot of unspoken stuff that fans always kind of tiptoed around it conventions in the Q and A S and we're like, you know what, let's put out the laundry. Let's just let's just do it, do it.

And there's something I think what I learned, you know, doing work in progress is we're so used to doing an interview, and they use like a sentence on a sound bite. Half the time they take out of context for a clickbait title like it's all just yucky. And and the length of a podcast allows you to be curious two debate thoughtfully to ask questions, well, what do you think? What do you think that's interesting? Maybe maybe this is a reality or an option I've never thought of,

Like it's it's a real life. It's like a dinner party. And and for us to be able to do that together and and not have somebody be like the girls, it's like, that's actually not what we said. We'll tell you what we have to say. It's so empowering when it also was so universally like destined um, because everything went right on like the first try, you know what I mean, Like Shore I sat down to write that theme song and send it to us in like a voice. It looks like a little tiny thing, and it was

just like, what do you guys think? This is this okay? And we're like, is this okay? What are you talking about? Match? Since it's like when God is opening up all the doors, there is just something magical that happens and you just take your hands off of it and watch it go.

And that's what we did. I mean, we showed up to do the work, but we didn't have to push and bang down doors and not that there isn't a season for that, but it's so nice when you just see all the doors just opening and you know you're on the right track and everything's working. It's a relief. Being in flow is such an unmistakable feeling, and you feel like it's coming through you, and it's such a lesson that not everything has to be that brutal climb up the hill with the rock. Yeah, you can just

like like, you don't have to be a mountain. You can be water. So nice. I want to be water rich. Here this feel we're water. I love it. I'm just the river. You just send things right on down to send things right to me. I will take you on a boat together the river country. We're going to get another on. Can love this if you don't take us as your date to like the Grammys when you win awards for your country, was like to be real, man, I agree on dates, dates for life. Teasing my hair,

You'll be like, excuse me, I need three seeds. Three I'll just sit in one of your laps. I was going to say, yeah, okay, So Jackie wants to know, what is the biggest mistake you think your care after made I feel like you're being targeted right now with this Chris Keller thing, Sophia I was about in this episode. Personally, Jackie, the biggest mistake, It's hard to know because we've only seen up to season in season three, So let's just say so between like, you know one and three, what's

our biggest mistake? Webcam's biggest mistake when when Nathan came to say hi to her backstage. Her biggest mistake was not saying I love you. I'm so happy to see you. Don't go anywhere. I'm so confused and freaked out and I don't know what's going on, but I love you to death and I will die if you leave. Just stay stay here. I will be right back and help me figure this out. I need your help. That was her big If she had said that, I think everything

would have changed. Say the thing you said that earlier, Just the thing man that this episode. Yeah, yeah, mine's cam kids. Don't do that, Like, don't just gross beguard yourself on the internet. Man, you gotta get one of those post it notes and stick it on those little stickers, and I know I've got a band aid on my laptop and on. All right, yeah, we all watched that

Edwards Snowden movie. We're all freeking. It's also gross. Um oh man, I think, I mean Brooks made a lot of mistakes, but just trying to remember his name, Yeah, let's un I'd say currently up to season three, episode eight, Felix is probably number one and Chris Keller's probably number two, only because I like Tyler so much. Yeah yeah, yeah, and you only like and brook only slept with him once, and Felix is like an ongoing thing. She made that

choice multiple times. And that's like cutting like it really is. That is that's that's the behavior of self harm. We don't do anyone, that's right, all right, we're spending a wheel. What do we got this week? Most likely to win big in Vegas? Who's because it's because it's also based on luck. I probably he would lose it at t Yeah,

Chris Keller for sure. That kid steps in it. You know, just you know, he's working on a record store and Tree Hill and all of a sudden he's on like a big national tour and you know, oh, um, but who in real life? I feel like Antoine is always in Vegas, like playing dominoes. I feel in Vegas. So that Staff, well, friends, we love you. We're so grateful that you show up for us every week. Please as a reminder, show up for Bevan right now. Go. Um,

if you're in Wilmington's go visit Recess. If you are online, grab go pick up a hat or a T shirt or something and um, you know, send her some love. And there is also a go fund me that the family put together. Her husband was such an incredibly accomplished man and had a business brain and a creative brain like nobody else, and he did so much amazing work in his own right. He helped her put Recess together and it was something that they did as this family dream.

And so the really cool thing about the go fund me that so many of us have shared and we'll share it again, is that it raises money for a cause that Will was deeply passionate about. And um, we'll go to continuing to help Recess as a business. Um as everyone figures out, you know what it means to to hold that up in in his absence. And it's in these moments that you know, people really need us to kind of be the bridges from from one reality

to another. And so there's so many ways to to help, and if you know, taking a class or donating money isn't something you're able to do, even just sending a message of support really means a lot. Yeah, we thank you guys for being a part of our family. Can't wait to see you next week. You love you all. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you next time. We

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