Proms & Villains • EP416 (part two)

mc Queen's Drama, Queens. Ah. Friends. We had the lovely Matt bar On last week to talk about the prim episodes for fifteen and four sixteen, But we still have so many thoughts and honestly questions, and we need to break down season four, episode sixteen even further. So let's continue. You call it madness, but I call it love. Air date, May second, two thousand and seven. Obviously, we spent all of last episodes setting this one up. Um, this one is actual prom which I would love to dig into

our real prom experiences before we go. Yeah, like, like, what are your core prom memories? Oh man, okay, I have this, I have this memory. Um, I went to prom. I went to Senior Problem with this boy Kyle, and he was a sweet like South African surfer boy and hot okay, And I wanted to go with my best friend who I was in love with, but he asked his ex girlfriend, who was not even in the school anymore. And I was so upset that I was like, well

that's a very clear message. Fine. Yeah, so so uh Kyl and I went together, and um, I have this moment. I remember sitting at the banquet table and like leaning over, like I pretended I was going to kiss him, but then I was just like I think I like did like a like blue in his face or something. It was just such a weird I don't know why in the world I did that. There was I think I was just experiment with my like playfulness and emotions and

what does what do all these things feel like? And this poor guy like thought he was going to get a kiss and then ended up getting like a blow in the face. A blow. It's an airproof, an airproof. It haunts me. You know those stupid things that you do in life that are totally meaningless that everyone else has forgotten about, but they haunt you. Yeah, that's one of them. I always feel bad about that. Kyle on senior prom. No, that's fair. My prom experience haunts me too.

Like I went to I went to Prom junior and senior year, but I also went as a freshman, and my senior year I went with my best guy friend and I had the best time ever. Thank god, because when I went as a freshman, I was one of the only freshmen there and I went with the captain of the football team, and this was like the biggest deal ever. He was. I mean, I was so in love with him, and he was that guy that was like, Oh, we're not going to go to a fancy restaurant because

we don't really care about Prom. We're gonna go to a seafood buffet, right. He shows up late to pick me up. He shows up late, he has a black eye because he played basketball that morning. So he's Brooke

Davis at that point. And we have the seafood buffet and he gets food poisoning, So then he's Haley James Scott at Prom because he's like we're in the lobby of the hotel where he is laid out on a couch with his head in my lap because he's been vomiting, and the principle comes over and it's like, hey, are you gonna be able to get him home? And I was like, I'm fourteen, sir, I can't drive, Like there was nothing I could do. So he finally starts feeling better.

We go to an after party. He's still just like laid up on a couch the whole time, and then he brings me home at the end of the night and I don't kiss him because he has been vomiting all evening and he dumped me because he told all his friends. He's like, they were like, kiss her, Did you kiss her? And he's like no, she just like closed the door. She like hugged me and said good night and left, like you think you guys, that night

has haunted me for decade decad about it. There's no regrets, right listen joy watching Haley like just sit at the table while everyone else's dancing. Gave me such PTSD. I was like, no, I've been there. Yeah, I don't know. It's funny because there's the nostalgia in this episode of like senior prom. Senior Prom it's such a big deal because my school was so small, like there were fifty

five girls in my class. Yeah, you went to prom every year you've been through senior year because otherwise there weren't enough kids. Oh you know, there were under two hundred kids with dates who even went to prom, and so people were so many people in my school would say I'm gonna go this year, I'm not gonna go. It just wasn't really a big deal. But even prom, because it's an all girls school, did they have like I mean your own or you boys? Yeah, we did

our own. We did our own and you brought your date and it was it was fun and sweet. And you know, I up until I was a senior, I had been dating my like high school and essentially childhood camp sweetheart. So we went to prom every year together, all my school dances, all his school dances. Spencer's just the best person. Oh my god, that's so cute. Oh yeah,

just the best person. And then you know, we had that moment around I don't know, sixteen seventeen, thinking like we're kids, like we've never known or dated anyone else. This is insane. And so by my senior year, halfway through my senior year, I started dating this sweet, beautiful boy who was totally like a different kind of person. Again,

you're trying to figure out who you are. My senior year in high school was the spitting image of Paul Walker, like a total jock, the opposite of like the you know guy super into music and camping. Like they couldn't have been more different. And I was just like kind of along for the ride, figuring out like who am I?

What's my vibe? And then I think about college and like my college sweetheart was was like a computer graphics designer, Like nobody could be more different, But senior prom felt, I think, like the standout to me because it was the first time in my you know, middle school in high school life that I was in a new relationship and that really that felt like a really big deal. It wasn't comfortable. It was like what's going to happen? So now there was this mystery still there. Where are

we going? I've never been to a dance at your school. I've been going to dance as at Spencer's school since like I was ten. I love the sea. That made it feel really fun and sweet. Lots of mystery in this show, guys we um, we had the full range of experience at tree Hill's senior prom, good times, bad times were they were like two totally separate TV shows

happening in this episode drastically. There was the horror film and then like the feel good Nathan Haley storyline, Nathan Haley and Mouth and Rachel are in like they're in a John Hughes movie, and the rest of us are in the Texas Chainsaw massacre. Well, and even Lucas and Glenda are part of the John Hughes movie like they're cute.

And then there's Team Terror. So I feel like I feel like Dan was the only link we had between psychotic and reality, so it was that was helpful to me because I was always very unsettled when Dan was on camera because in the last episode, I was not buying the whole um. It's just I just felt so unsettled, like Nathan and Dan having like a banter about oh the videotape and blah blah blah. But so anyway, I always felt very unsettled when Paul was on camera in

this episode, and that helped me get over. But it's a testament to Tom Wright's abilities as a director to make those transitions work, because they did. The interesting thing that you point out about Paul is that he has been Dan Scott has been the best version of himself for so many episodes in a row now that it almost feels like maybe he's learned something, and Nathan essentially is the mouthpiece for the audience saying to Lucas, look, Dan is different. I don't know what else to say

about it, but he's different. Yeah, and when you see Dan with Whitey, you realize, Nope, still in there. That's a little Yeah, let's start at the beginning. Let's start at the beginning, because we have so much we want to cover that isn't with our fabulous guest today. Um, there's a lot of like cute stuff that doesn't involve basement.

If we want to make sure we had all of that, Um, Whitey to your point, like Whitey, Whitey's face when Karen and Dan walk in together is so like okay, hey cool, and he waits till right, Yeah, what the hell are you doing? That's it. It's like I've already watched you ruin this girl's life, Like, please, don't do it again. I'm supposed to be concerned with the kids tonight, like, don't make me worried about the grown ups at the party. And I really wrestle with Karen. I watch her and

I'm like, how I mean I don't know. I guess we all do it in different ways. We all have things that we want, so we just prioritize that desire and get into ourselves into stupid situations because we can't see past who knows about such certain things. And I

don't know. I'm just looking at her dancing with Dan and like what, Yeah, I think there's really something to it though, the fact that he is showing up for her consistently, and in the beginning she rebuffed him and he has come back and come back and come back and come back, and much like Nathan, she sees something in him that is familiar. Yeah, it is human instinct.

You know. We talk a lot about this, that you're supposed to let people make mistakes and find themselves, and even the worst, the worst things a person could do, you want them to heal. You want them to get better, You want them to be rehabbed. You know, whether it's debb and literal alcoholism or emotional unemotional disease. You hope that people can get past the bad parts. And so

it's really tricky to know where the line is. Can you allow someone like Dan to change or should you keep him out of your life forever and that conundrum of how to know you know. You hear people talk about it with marriage, for example, and someone will get out of a bad marriage and say, well, everyone always said marriage was work, so I figured this was just the work. And then and then other people will say, yeah, it's work, but it shouldn't be that much work, right,

And it's like, okay, but what's the work line? How do you know? And I say this as a person who's in a great relationship, who's been in bad to like abusive relationships, it's very easy to go, well, but isn't this the work? So I think about that for Karen, and I wonder if for her the boundary it's not like it's a line you can see. It's something you

have to kind of feel out and determine. And every way that you've been hurt and every you know, version of whatever you've suffered that's made you parentified or enable to communicate, like whatever all the things are, it affects where you see the line. And I love the humanity that Moira brings to Karen as she's witnessing Dan and as she is literally being given the opportunity to get a do over of her worst hurt. I really sympathize with her wanting a new ending, even if it's temporary.

She wants a new ending. Appreciate the character consistency too, that Karen is someone who and it goes through to Lucas too, that she just wants to see the best in people, you know, And I think that's something you learn when life kicks you're asked, especially when you're young, you kind of have to pick. Okay, am I gonna be the kind of person who just hold onto things? And that's like, I see people treat me bad, and so from now on, that's where I'm going to live

in that emotional space. Or am I gonna not let the bad things to other people to do define me? And I'm going to continue to allow myself to trust and be open. And I think that that's something that Karen decided. And then you see how Lucas constantly tries to see the best in people, and Lucas's best friend being Haley, who also has that quality. I think there's a consistency there that makes sense. So I like that, you know, it kind of runs through the family line.

I wish that women as like mothers, had been prioritized a little bit, and Karen's story had more flesh to it, because it's hard for me to understand that Karen, Karen, who's so cool, who owns this business in town, does not have any family and does not have any friends that she can bounce this damn relationship off of. Like her buddy was dead, his ex wife, and so there's no one for her to bounce this information off of other than her son, who it's his dad, you know, Like,

and there's a complicated thing happening there. She needs her core group of girlfriends to be like, what are you doing? Herd pass Because when you're by yourself, it becomes really easy to rationalize things. But when you have to stay aloud to other people, that's when you are like, I can't, I can't make this make sense. Can you help me? Yeah? And yeah, Karen should have like a strong network of friends.

She is a likable, successful woman in this town. Well, and it's interesting that isolation when you think about relationships you've been in that weren't good. When I think about relationships I've been in there weren't good. It was the isolation allowed them to continue. Oh yeah, because when you don't have a sounding board. The only person you have to bounce your reality off of is the person who

wants you to stay in that reality. And it adds a layer when you think about it that way, to this whole dynamic of Karen and Dan, because I do believe there's a part of Dan that loves Karen, and I believe there's a part of Dan that wants he wants to win. It's a It's that classic narcissist needs a supply thing. And I wonder if in the sort of subconscious of him he identifies her now because she's alone. It's like she's the She's the deer that's been separated

from the pack. She's easy to grab, and I wonder if that's why it's in her a loneness that he is showing up in ways he never has before. Sure, dudes have hero complexes, and Dan is the king of that. I appreciate that Nathan doesn't try to be a hero in this whole situation. I mean, the apology tour that he went on was lovely. Apology tour was great. Nathan screwed up in the last episode. He goes on this apology tour, and then in this episode, rather than trying

to be the hero. He takes the moment with Haley to be like, let's just be kids. Like, what if I don't have to be the hero? What if we could just admit we're big idiots and our car broke down and all we want to do is be little dorky kids. Yeah, that felt honest, and that felt kind of outside of the trope that a lot of our male characters get into of like I'm gonna save you. It's yes, No, just admit you're a dork. That's so much cuter. Admit you don't have the answers, Let your

mom come pick you up. In an episode where you just wish anybody had a parent, you know, Peyton Brook, Rachel Mount, nobody has parents. It's so nice to see deb come and pick these kids up and try to do right by them and make fun of herself. Yeah, you know, Yeah, would have driven on the sidewalk more if it had been a couple of months ago. I love that we also have a lot of Lucas Glenda interactions. I love it. I'm so into this relationship. I love these two together, and I really wish that we had

had the ability to keep Glenda on the show. You know, Amber is so amazing, and it's you know, it's tough for the for the friends at home, being in Wilmington, being so physically far from la and even the fact that it's just so hard to get there. It takes all day, it's two flights. It can be really difficult to keep people around because they got to go home,

they got an audition for other stuff. And I really wish that the studio had had seen what we see, or that, you know, our bosses had seen what we see, and that they had given her the regular job that she deserved, because she, I think is as additive to our show as mouth. Yes, and like they finally picked it up with Lee Norris and they went, oh my god, we can't lose him. They got smart, but they didn't.

They didn't get smart with everybody. And god, I just love watching her, and I love who we get to see Lucas b with Glenda, because we are told in the first couple seasons Lucas is the good guy. Lucas is the good guy, but he's not necessarily acting like a good guy, you know, and we had been critical of that in his relationship with Glenda. We get to see,

like Lucas Scott is a good guy. He's open and he's vulnerable with people, and he's inclusive and he's thoughtful when she's dealing with her mother, you know, like I like that. She lets him show off that side of him self that the fan base obviously fell in love with. And it's not always the romantic relationship that makes you your best self. Well that's it because in romantic relationships he tries to be a hero and he always goes and tries to rescue the person who's in pain, which

usually is not the person he's dating. The whole time he's dating Brook, he goes and tries to help Peyton, and now he's dating Peyton, so he goes to see Brooke first, and Peyton's mad about it, like because she knows what he's doing, because she's like, you did this with me when you were with her. Yea, yea, I know this act like cut it out, You're you're supposed

to grow up. And with Glinda, because his romantic interests are taken up elsewhere, he really is himself and he gets to ask questions and he gets to admit that he needs help with some things, and the way she holds space for him when she offers to be his sounding board and offers to walk the school with him and help him find his story again. It's so generous and the two of them together have such a great chemistry.

And I love to see non romantic chemistry. It's so interesting because you never know what's going to happen next. You're not assuming somebody's gonna kiss. Anything could happen. You know. Everyone gives a for bagging on Lucas in the first couple of seasons, um because they told us he's the good guy. He's the good guy, you know, But now we get to see him be the good guy now with Glenda. We see that Lucas Scott that is just such a good friend and with her, Yes, yeah, and

we love him in these scenes. God, I'm just thinking Glenda was the one actually who was sending Dan the messages, right, I don't know, I lead, I don't know if they did that, I'm purpose, but I felt it well, I think, yeah, when when the phone was in the hallway, I'm like, who else could have left it? Right? Right? Yeah, I don't know. I like her. Alison Scagliotti played the character who's in the classroom with you guys that had diabetes. Abby who left. She was a really good actor, like

really good. This episode seems to be all about people who have really proven themselves on our show, and we're just like, how can we get all of them back? Yes, it felt so good. It still felt like like the core family on the show, which you know, guest stars don't always make it feel that way. So they did. They found exactly the ones that really fit. These guys fit tree Hill so well. The three of them did

so beautifully, and you know what I really loved. Also, remember a couple episodes ago where we were talking about how sometimes when they were doing these flashbacks for Lucas with trying to figure out what happened to Keith, some of them are gorgeous, like when the camera is in the round and Craig Sheffer's they're talking gorgeous. And then some of the things Hillary your least favorite thing in the world, the morphing don't work. Oh my god, the morphing.

The morphing. In this episode, the continued challenge between Dan and Lucas when Dan is saying drop it, drop it, drop it, and Lucas can't and unbeknownst to him, Dan says what Keith has been saying. Yeah, callback of open your Eyes, and Lucas finally realizes Abby was on the other side of those blinds. I had full body chills. Yeah. Yeah, that was a callback that was so so good and so well done. And my god, Tom Wright did such a good job. He really did. That's a hard episode.

Let's do cute kids at prom, psychotic break full horror movie, and then like Ghosts the Mystery and ghost Yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah, Okay, I have to say, I know we're not at the end of the episode, but I do have a something I want to throw in the ring for an honorable mention. Oh okay, the dude, it's prom guy speaking of cute kids at prom, and you enjoy you and James getting in on the dude. It's prom Like. There's barely any

lines in that scene. It's three words you're saying, but everyone's saying them in their own way, and it made me laugh out loud. I loved it so much. Yeah, and it was such a perfect just cute kids being kids to your point earlier, Hillary, like everybody's just being teenagers. Yeah,

and I loved it. I loved it. It's really is one of the nice things about our show having a big cast that everybody can take a lane for episodes, so you know, we can do just the cute kids, low drama stuff and then let you guys have all the high drum and switch it around. I remembered filming this episode a lot. I don't know why, but I have a gout of this. Remember boot off, That's why you remember. It was like a celebration. I know, thank God, I'm out of my boot prison. Um. Yeah, no, I

just remembered. I remembered that guy. I remember being in the car with James. I remembered a lot of the stuff at prom. I don't know. It's funny how those memories just come back. Yeah, I did too. I had really visceral memories of that dress, the red satin dress, because it was a big deal to figure out the black light just to make it look right like they you can see that they had to punch it up even in post to really make the word horror glow

in the black light. Because it kind of worked, but with all the other lights on the set, it was really hard to just have a black light moment. And I just remember I remember how fun it felt to lean into the comedy as Brooke of realizing that this insult is sprayed across my stomach and using it as the key to me, Yeah, she still loves me. She loves me her house like yeah, opens up the door

for the whole recipe. Yeah, I just it really tickled me, and and watching it back, I had that feeling like I had the same feeling of amusement and an adoration, like I could feel it in my body like it was yesterday, and that felt really fun. See, I'm jealous that you guys got the prov experience because yeah, he never I mean I show up at the very very end. No,

you were just getting beat up. You guys got to do like the cute entrance on the red carpet, Like I love the river court boys coming in together like that. It's also sweet and like everyone's getting a dance, and there's little statues of liberty everywhere which don't make a ton of sense, but like, I don't know what was that about. And there was purple, lots of purple balloons as yeah, problem was New York, New York. Oh okay, Yeah, on Brooke became a cosmopolitan girl doing close over ros.

For me, there's some stuff that we had to do in this episode that we've had to do in previous episodes, Like Peyton has been drugged before, right, and I hated how that was done in season one because it was shot poorly and and it just read really cheesy. Where

is this episode? It goes from you you guys being super cute, Brooke being super cute at prom and it totally still somehow works that Tom Wright shots in that basement of like the glitchy stuff and like the weird fade ins and kind of the blurred vision and the weird like tunnel audio. It all works. You've got like the pretty lights at the prom and the pretty lights in the basement. You've got the fun, sexy music at prom, and then this weird, freaky music that Derek has created

from Peyton's pod that was so upsetting to me. Such a genius idea, but so tremendously uncomfortable. Tremendously uncomfortable. Is it on the internet? Like is that full song released somewhere? You know somebody has it? We should we should Emailington or someone, you know somebody's got that. Yeah, the mirror image stuff between the two situations is interesting and it's just you know, it's a credit to Tom and to

our crew because they had to build that stuff. They had to build an entire prom set and an entire basement set for this one episode. It was a huge lift. Yeah. Yeah, the construction work that goes into stuff like this is incredible, and that's the stuff that folks at home never get to see. You know, to your point, Hill, there there's no base in Peyton's real house, and so to create a world that feels and looks as real as that

did is so impressive. And to think about the fact that the basement was on stage, Peyton's bedroom was on stage, but the staircase was in the real house. Yeah, so we had to shoot that in multiple parts over multiple days, and this actually might be a great time. You know. We do this as a reminder every so often because you know, people go to Wilmington and visit the houses, and you talked about this Hill. You're friends with the

people who live in Peyton's house. Um, please take photos from the houses from the sidewalk our friends at home, and please don't creep around the side of that house looking for the basement windows because the basement doesn't exist, and creeping around the side of people's houses is pretty terrifying for their teenage daughter. So don't you know, don't do that thank you picture and be cool, just be polite.

That's that's where the line is, Okay, I want to know after this is for both of you, Actually, after shooting that episode, do you remember being in like in physical pain, because it's not like we were all raining for a Marvel movie and training for all this kind of like stunty stuff. I mean that was just thrown at you. What was your recovery like the whole from the first fight with Derek through the end of this season.

I had horrific like neck problems and I would totally lock up, and I can tell some scenes where I'm not moving my head. They used to have to have a massage therapist and like a chiropractor come to set so that I could move. Like it would never occur to anyone to give me an off day, but they would have uncome to set and come into my trailer because I developed I guess scar tissue between my shoulder

blades that would just like seize up. And then when you tell people that you're injured from a teen drama TV show like that's yeah, that's a joke, right, Yeah, Which was there a moment you felt like a crack or something happened. Was there like a moment you were shooting when you were like, something just happened in my neck? Or was it just a build up of the stress throughout? Yeah, it was. It was probably a buildup of like what was going on behind the scenes and also what was

going on on set in the long hours. It wasn't like any kind of specific incident, but you don't know what in the moment. Your adrenaline so hot in the moment where you're doing this stuff, it's like two days later where you're just like, yeah, like a car wreck to get out and you're like, I'm fine, and then

it feels yeah. So you So if you've done a few movies too that were like really physical, like The Hitcher and you know things, when you guys got done with this, how do you recover also emotionally from being in that space for such a long time. It's really difficult. And I will say, you know, to Hillary's point, like

I've had some pretty gnarly set injuries. I've I've gone from set to the hospital on more than one occasion doing stunts, and it's really rare that they'll let you go to the hospital, so it has to be really really bad for it to go that far, and your adrenaline is so high, Like I didn't realize I had a really nasty fall doing stunts and had to go to the hospital to get an MRI and a cat scan at the recommendation of the camera crew. They were like, you,

we watched that happen. You have to go get your brain checked, like your brain might be bleeding, and you got to go to the hospital. And I knew I was in pain, but I had such a serious concussion that like I couldn't even see straight. So I wasn't

thinking that clearly. But then on another occasion, like I was, I was doing these scenes where I was running and I rolled my ankle and didn't really think too much of it, like it really hurts, but I was like, I'm just I'm gonna, you know, I'll get I'll get right back into place and keep going. And so we ran for, you know, another four hours, and my ankle has never been the same, like a I have a fracture in it that heeled the wrong way and to fix it would be like a major surgery. So I'm

not going to do it. And it's just really interesting that you don't. It's not a normal experience doing stunts because they go for so long, and yes, your adrenaline is so heightened because something crazy is happening to your body, so you have that response even though it's not quote unquote real. And what I have found that's really interesting is it's really now. It's only more recently that I'm learning that I have to take better care of my body. I have to go to the chiropractor to work on

the injuries I have. I have to see, to Hillary's point, a massage therapist. I'm not great at it, but I'm trying. I'm realizing that if I'm doing stunts at work, I don't just want to meet with the stunt coordinator about the choreography. I want to warm up, Like I'm not going to do a stunt without doing a thirty minute warm up with a professional anymore, because that's how to get hurt. But nobody told us that stuff when we we we were kids, we were trying to be production friendly.

We're like, yeah, yeah, hit us with a car. We're like a actors too, And actors will like, we're like, yeah, throw me in it. Whatever I have to do, let's do it. Yeah with no training and we're not prepared. And then we're just fully physically throwing ourselves into things. Yeah, I'm up. Because they don't want to hold camera. It's

like too crazy. The fight scene where Brooke and Payton are taking turns tackling Psycho Deerk and oh my god, one like while we're watching, I'm like, so, I can't believe we did this, Like I know in a million years, because now you know, I don't really act anymore now I do a bunch of other stuff. And if I do act now, I'm like, no, no stunt double no, no, no, no,

I don't I don't jump. Don't be ridiculous to see to see us in our youth, just like, oh, that's funny that I'm still such a I'm still such like a stunt junkie that I'm like, what can we do? Can I get on a wire? Where where's the fighting? To go to a window? Like I I love it, but I've learned. I've learned to love it less recklessly

for sure. Yeah, like you asked. We had this moment on when we were doing the Hitcher and we were doing this like high speed neck and neck scene down a highway going seventy miles an hour, and I got harnessed into the car and rolled the window down and leaned out to my hip bones of a car going seventy miles an hour, beating my fist on the window of the car next to us. And I was like, I really probably shouldn't have done that. That was a thing to do. If Tom Cruise could do it, you

could do it. Do it. No, it was great, but like it also wasn't top gun, Like let if I'm gonna die, Like I don't know, man, Like where are you? What are you really willing to? Perhaps what willined yourself deeply for I don't know. The last time I did stunts, I was pregnant with George, and I had to like do the first part of the stunt right, like just fall out of frame and then let this other chick completely take over and then at the end pop up right.

And that was the first time I ever let myself not do the stunt because I was carrying a baby. And when I watched that episode and realized that no one at home would give a I was like, I'm never doing this again. And by the way, she's gonna no one can tell. No one can tell, no one can tell, no one of the little tidbits that I really liked that didn't require any exposition. Sometimes you know, the writers want to tell the viewers what to think

or what to know. In this episode, Brook goes around to the back of Peyton's house and knows exactly where the key is. Yeah, and just that little bit of action tells you the depth of their friendship, that they are family, and that Brooke knows that when Peyton locks her door, which she hasn't done in four years, but when she done, Brooke is the person that knows where the spare key is. And that says so much right before they're about to enter into this nightmare. I did

love that. Yeah, it's all the little moments of familiarity. Your car's in the driveway. Oh fine, you locked me out. You know I'm I'm coming in and even coming down the stairs really just thinking that you're king with me. Oh you're gonna hide in your creepy basement because you know I hate it. Fine, I'll come down there, you know you're there. It's like these they're grumpy little girls. And then in a way, in a way, Brooke gets to help reveal that was the name of my band

in college, Grumpy Little Girls. Perfect. I like it when characters get to do what the camera is doing, when someone walks you into a room and reveals it to you. Yeah, and I think there's a really interesting reveal that happens coming down the stairs, because we've been really tight on you and on Matt Barr in that basement. It's been creepy and intimate and gross, and the sort of wide sweeping, oh we're in the upside down happens when you come

down that staircase with Brooke. And I thought that was a really cool directing choice on Tom's part. Okay, next episode. It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst at night. I can't imagine anything worse. Yeah, how does it get worse from here? I guess we'll see you next week. Everyone, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at drama queens oth or email us at drama

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