Never Have I Ever • EP104

Alan Woods. She is such a babe, such a babe, and such a good mom, such a good mom, like really trying to you know. She sees the problem with her son. She doesn't quite how to fix it, but she sees it. And she's not just like going along with every craziness that Dan is showing us. Well, and how like Dan Scott has been situated firmly in this show so to find a woman to go toe to toe with him but also still like kiss him in the kitchen. You know, she is able to do that

with such ease, you know. And she came into a cast that was already working together, it's right, and they did such a beautiful job of establishing I forgot that there was intimacy between Dan and Death, like the way they hug each other in the kitchen and he goes, oh,

is that my wife? And there's this whole dynamic and and Barb played so many levels in this episode so flawlessly to to have that romance with him, to challenge him to be observing her, her changing teenage son, Oh my god, when she calls him surly, Do you feel

like our parents ever said that about us? Surly? It was a tall order for the character of deb though, to be able to walk that line, to tow that line of understanding why this woman would have married and stayed with this man, and yet having her be sympathetic and watching her walk walk into Karen's cafe and handle that situation and just extend that all the branch in the sort of awkward way that you know she did

and that grown ups would That was tough. I feel like I could see when she walked in and she's like a coffee oh uh and a b scotti, and then she goes to leave, and You're like, oh no, she's losing it. She's losing it. She's chickening. Out and then they suddenly have this beautiful conversation. I mean, really, what we are is the Barbara Allen Woods fan club. She wears the pants in this episode, which which you know watching it as an adult lady, Now I'm like, yeah, girl,

put on as an adult. What hit me was their whole conversation when she talks about how Nathan is is obviously suffering or struggling, and Dan tries to blame her and says it's because you're working and you're gone, and she says, I'm gone at max ten days a month, and and he's pressuring her if you were home, if you spent more time with him, and she claims her identity, her career, that she deserves to have both to be a mom, to have a job, to be working, to travel,

like she really defends herself as an individual woman who's also a mother. And I didn't catch that in two thousand three. No, I didn't either, but she did. She did such a badass job of that well. And the only two people that see Nathan's vulnerabilities ever are deb and Haley. I mean the scenes going scene to scene where he's so sweet with you, Joy, oh my god, you and him in the car or just darling, and then and then to see him become such a jackass

in the next scene. But it's just what we were saying when we were watching back was that it's only Jane could do this, because James intrinsically is just such a great person, such a good man, that he managed to play this character that was such a jerk and so confused because of what he's been taught by his parents, and yet still be vulnerable and it was still kind of manipulate if he was using his vulnerability even though he was being honest to manipulate hatey. But it doesn't

come off as sociopathic. Yeah, he just comes off as confused because I think a lot of guys, I mean, think about the guys that are like on TV right now or whatever in those shows, like it would have been hard to cast someone absolutely and I think if you'd cast someone who in real life was a dick or was a manipulator, you just there would have been no redemption for Nathan and what and James bringing himself to that part and his his kindness and his grounded nous,

It's like you could see through the Nathan Scott armor and in way. It let him play someone who was cruel better than I've seen most villains be villains. Yeah, you really felt I felt bad for him. It's the Brook thing from last episode. You know, it's like, here's all my bravado. I'm gonna be real hard and I'm gonna say things that are shocking. Um. And then also but inside, I'm I just want somebody to hug me.

These are kids that didn't get hugged enough. Yeah, you know, and there's something about that, Oh God, like talk about a cringe moment in this episode. You know, the game ends, and then Nathan invites Lucas to this party, right, we think it's an olive branch and everybody's there, and and you know, Haley and Lucas show up in the tow truck, and you know, there's the pretend meat and we're like, oh, what's gonna happen, What's gonna happen? And then we start

playing Never have I ever actually play that in high school? No, I don't think that I had never really been to a house party. I think once in my life I just was I was a really I had an interesting childhood, but drinking champagne joy Yeah, you were like a working actor. Not when I was fifteen and sixteen, I was still like in high school, just normal neighborhood kid, and I hadn't been to I remember shooting that scene and being like, oh, so this is what a house party feels. Really. What

was your typical weekend in high school? Like, what did that look like for each of you guys? I just hung out with friends and I was usually involved in some kind of theater, something was going on with with the arts. Um, yeah, ride my bike. I mean my parents were it was very eighties parenting, like go here, here's a stick, here's your bike here, like go outside of you, like out in California. You guys going to beach parties. No, oh my gosh, that's like so funny

to me. I rarely, I really ever went to the beach once my family was in Pasadena. It's just like traffic here is horrible. Um. But but similarly, joy, you know, I was, I was doing a lot of theater and so I was always you know, in a play at a rehearsal. And my school was so small and being an all girls school, you know, we we didn't bring boys from the all boys schools in the neighborhood in

so we played all the parts. Um yeah, the girls played everything, our our our theater director and Sophia that informs so much about who you are. Tell me, Oh yeah, I like slipped back my hair like Charlotte and that sex in the City episode when she gets her portrait taken like a man. Um Oh, I loved it. I loved it. And it was actually really interesting. We had this incredible theater director, this man named Tim Wright, who is unfortunately no longer with us, who honestly changed my

life and taught me so much about storytelling. And you know, he taught us about historical Shakespeare and how at the time it was thought to be scandalous to have a woman in the theater, so back then the men played women's parts. And he was talking about this sort of, you know, honestly reclamation of the theatrical space with all of us as women playing all these parts and doing all the tech and learning how to light. And I was the prop master on so many plays and it

was so fun. And then my senior year we kind of had a more typical experience. Um, all of a sudden, I think because people finally had driver's licenses, and you know, we all finally um could be mobile, and we started, like my one of my friends and I started dating these two best friends. I had been in love with my you know, childhood sweetheart from camp since I was nine, and then my senior year in high school, I started

dating this boy. He looked exactly like Paul Walker, good God, and him and his best friend went to an all boys school on the West Side, and so then it was like, oh, We're going to see our boyfriends at a West Side party tonight, and we well, we were so innocent and silly, but we felt like grown ups, like the way I think we were saying we felt when we got to Wilmington's and we looked back and we're like, oh my god, we were babies, but like

we thought we knew what we were doing. My senior year in high school, I was like, I am like officially a teenager anything, but I would go to these we would have these house parties, um that the boys would throw, and we felt so cool, and really we just stood around and like everyone was staring at each other trying to figure out who was going to talk first. Yeah, what do we know? How does this work? Virgin was all house parties. You guys like football games, basketball games, Like,

I don't know. Did we do it for soccer in the spring? Probably not? Um track team, Oh, the track team was hot. We track team had parties. I don't know anything about this. Any excuse, right, excuse in Virginia to have a house party was happening, and so like, yeah, a lot of house parties. I remember, like my boyfriend in high school was a bad kid, and I remember being in a basement and someone was smuggling alcohol through the basement window and those little narrow windows at the top.

Me being the clean teen at the party, and like head of the clean is like, who is doing this? And it's my boyfriend and he we were like went into the tree house in the backyard and had a very like Nathan Haley conversation where I was like, what are you doing? Are you just trying to be cool for these people? And he was like, Babe, I'm only drinking orange juice. And now I know he's like totally spiked with the podcast, but at the time I'm like, oh,

I guess that's not so bad. But when we shot this stuff, I remember being all high on my horse like why are all the lights on? This is a dumb party? And Rand like this, how you knew? You know what? You know what? And I have to say, the star of the episode was Peyton. Peyton was the star of this episode front because in that same way of knowing, of just like having the ability to see

beyond what what's going on directly around you. But I don't know a lot of kids that we're that introspective in high school and capable of asking questions like are we going to turn out like deb and Karen? I mean, what high schooler has the wherewithal to ask themselves that question? And I love that about Peyton. I think that's one of the major things that the audience connected with about

her and the wherewith all as well. In that breakup scene with Nathan, to stand so firmly in yourself and he's trying to, you know, do the like oh baby, I'm sorry business, and when you say you basically call Nathan out for his behavior with Haley, and you say,

whatever you're doing there is messed up. And if you aren't doing something there, it's messed up essentially because you're stringing her along, and for a girl in high school, to look at her boyfriend and say, you're either flirting with that girl for real, or you're flirting with her to manipulate her. In either way, you're a bad guy. That's not something, especially in that era, that we were encouraged to do. It was like, who's flirting with my boyfriend?

It wasn't maybe he's a bad dude. I wonder what made them strike that tone in this episode because dem is not threatened or weirded out by Karen and Peyton's not threatened or weirded out by Haley. Um. They were clearly trying to make a strong note about like, you know, we're not in competition with one another, that it's such a beautiful thing. And then I'm like, well what happened? Because I was when did we start calling each other whores? As like terms of my dear man on the show?

You know, it's a weird deal. You know. The whole vibrator thing made us all like, ubar, did you were you like that in high school? Though? Hillary? Um, with that that introspective and the ability to stand up and tell people what's what? And I mean was that in

you I was super confrontational. Um. I think that the things that were more important to me in high school were um like like the movie Boys Don't Cry came out and Girl Interrupted came out and I read the bell jar and so there was like a firestorm of teenage girl mental health. Um also like gay straight alliance kind of stuff. All of that stuff was very important to me. And I knew that I was leaving for New York, so it didn't matter who I piste off.

And and and I feel like Peyton has her friendship with Brooke but isn't really connected to anyone else, so might also carry a lot of that, like we don't care who we piss off. It's interesting because I realized that. And and this is something I've been you know, learning to expand for myself, even as an adult. But when I think back, it's always been really easy for me, on behalf of others to not care who I piss off, to defend people, to stand up for people, but not

to do it for myself. And I I think I really see some of that in Brooke. You know, we

were all talking about this after the last episode. You know, I think Hillary, you said it, you said, I always got the sense that Brooke was actually a virgin and I think so too, And I think that that what what resonated with me about her was a girl who only was taught to validate herself by other people's opinions and by charming other people and by being attractive to boys, and so she would make herself the butt of the joke, like she bit on the vibrator joke. And then that's

a horrible thing to say. She took the bait. I'm so sorry she took the bait on that joke. I'm like, I have a coffee, I'll drink this. Um. You know, she took she took the bait on that, And then I think, like the sort of shame and the desire to be liked. Then she leans into it and goes, okay, so you know my turn. Never have I ever Oh no, I did that to make everyone laugh, And and that moment of saying it and then looking around to see if people thought it was funny, like seeing myself make

that choice for her then really broke my heart. Just again, such good casting, because it would have been easy to do that, you know, there's it just would have been easy to play it the other way and one dimensional and just you know, but you really had that you know what you were doing? Thanks, Yeah, She's list And that's what I want viewers to do in this rewatch is to question every choice, like was Brooke Davis really fast and easy? You know, like like what is the

reality of these things? Because what we're saying is one thing, But how we're behaving that's what we were able to control. You couldn't control the dialogue, but how we said you're right,

that's where we could find our power. Like we couldn't get away from some of the things that were written for us to do, but there were moments where we could be more ourselves, moments where we could subvert the obvious and and it I will say it means so much to all of us, with all you listening at home, those have always been the moments that the fans have loved the most. And and I love that we were able to, even in the midst of trying to figure out what the hell we were doing, like fun and

these find these moments. I want to talk about Joy's hat. Yes, okay, will you tell people what the backstory of the hat is? Come on, okay, look here I have to I have to preface this by saying that there is a possibility that I've created this scenario in my mind because I hated the hat so much. But I don't think. What I remember my recollection of this is that I was given this hat. I did not like this hat. I hated this hat. I was given this hat and told

you have to wear this hat. And I was told later UM that the person who chose the hat for me, UM chose it because it looked like a penis hat, like the top of a penis, and they thought it was literally on it. Yeah, and they thought it was funny to make Hayley look like she was like had her head had like a penis on her head. I and I hated the hat so much. Did they tell you this right away? It wasn't way later. It was way later because it would always pop up and we'd

see images of it. Because it's like, I don't know why this hat keeps showing up. I keep see I see photos of it for years. I've seen like it's the because it's so terrible. I think probably it's like well, and also there's that beautiful scene with the two of you in the car. You know, we've talked about it from Nathan's side, But what you the vulnerability that Haley leans into and the softness that you gave her, and the humor and the cracking jokes, but also the bashfulness.

It was so innocent and beautiful, right, She's bashful and it happens in that freaking hat for a lot of it. A lot of it happens in the hat and then you know, you finally take it off on the car ride. But I think that's part of it because it's the that's where the seed of Nathan and Haley was planted, was in freaking hat. Yeah, does the same? Do you take the hat off? It's like it's like she's all that,

you know, Like you're a beautiful girl. Your chin in that car sane joy, just your little like chin dimple and your little pout and you're like your eyes and you can tell that you're listening to him, like you're really listening. It is so like Aerial from Little Mermaid and the Red Hair. They needed the hat to like dress you down, you know, so it's not so on the nose and like these two are going to end

up together. All they could do is put a stupid hat on when they put Rachel Lee cook in glasses, right, Yeah, I agree, I think. I mean, it could have just been that, and then maybe the penis story came up later. I mean that also could have been them like editing history where after they watch it and Daily's they're like, she looks like a dick. It could have been. It could have been. But I did love the show pop up. I remember them about the poncho. That was the other thing,

the poncho. I think I chose the poncho. I think that was my choice, my bad choice. I made some very questionable wardrobe choices throughout the years, but I guess it always kind of worked for Haley. Ma'am. I was wearing a buckle across my chest in this episode, So tell me about it. You gotta keep those things locked up, my god, Like I buckled myself into my shirt for what Yeah, nineties nineties fashion left it like kept kept creeping into the two thousands. Yeah, the tail end was

really brutal. M hmm. I like that you and Sarah Edwards, who played Teresa, were kind of wearing the same thing. It was tells a story that all the cheerleaders have a uniform um and then they put Peyton in a turtleneck. You know, how can we be the antithesis of this um? It also kind of put Brooke in the queen bee category that she was and that like there was. It just subconsciously put a little like want to be like her? You know, that's so interesting. We had your cronies. Best crony.

Best crony of the episode goes to Tim Brett that he really had that Joey Triviani thing going on. Yes, he is so good and like we all thought he was so funny then, but as an adult to watch him, I'm like, man, his comic timing is just so on point at the door, you're caught the entire physical nature of his comedy. That ends with him weirdly just knocking on the house because he doesn't know what else to do.

So brilliant, he takes my breath away. But do you know they always gave him the hardest job because we all had real lines, Like we had lines on a piece of paper that we were supposed to recite, and they would wait till the end of the day and all of our coverage, and then they would get Brett's coverage and they'd give him two takes and they'd be like, all right, Brett, just improvise, and it's everyone's standing there watching you, like the sun is rising, you know, there's

like a clock ticking, and Brett would just have to go and he's so good at it. He just knew, he knew who Tim was. Yeah, he really got some skills on that. And by the way, skills like the opening scene when we're at the basketball game and he's running, he does this like fake out dribble between his legs so seamlessly. I was like, oh my god, Brett was like a really good basketball player. I forgot. Yeah. I think they all were like legit basketball players except for Chad,

who was a football boy. Right, yeah, I guess. So. Yeah, did we talk about that in the last episode, this shot that he had to make in the in the court? I know we talked about it on the zone, but I don't know. I mean, yeah, that was tough for him because he was he was definitely a football guy and you know, good at it from from what I know from what I heard, But it's just such a different it's a completely different sport. It's totally different skill set.

Like if I had to do gymnastics, I'm good at other stuff, guys. But yeah, you know, everything we did involved a ton of extras, like these big party scenes, the big basketball scenes, and we were all really young actors, so we were having to make decisions in front of a live audience on set and then like hope that when it aired two weeks later, because our turnaround was

so fast that people liked it. Um getting feedback that people didn't like, Peyton it was so you got feedback that people didn't like because remember we were supposed to be a mid season replacement, so we were used to bank all of our episodes before we ever aired. And then there was was it was a Rachel Lee cook show that Warner Brothers decided like, you know what, this isn't ready. We're not going to do this right now. Let's just put One Tree Hill on on in September.

And we'd only been filming since July, so we'd only banked like three episodes when our show started airing, and and very quickly the feedback came in like what's this bitch so MOPy about? You know? And I think maybe that was a blessing because it's certainly made me aware of how as being perceived, which put me right back in high school, like you're totally aware of what everyone around you was saying, the rumor mill it was. It

was humbling. It's hard too because we we were young, and of course, I mean, gosh, as an adult, you want to be liked. As a kid, you want to be liked so badly, and you want to do a good job, and especially on our first jobs. And I well, if I remember that, I remember how uncomfortable it made me feel because Brooke was put in a position where she granted performatively and to try to feel any kind of validation because she didn't have it from her family and you know, all the all the aspects of her

back story, she was very sexualized. And then I felt like I was being very sexualized, and it made me so uncomfortable. This this sort of like yeah, this like, oh, you're a bad girl, And I was like, I just I play this girl on TV and I don't know who I am yet. I remember that too, Sophia, because I didn't a lot of the press that we started doing after the show. It was like you were always expected to be wearing the super short skirt, the you know,

the cleavage thing. Remember the photo shoot that we did that was like in a garbage dump or something. Me like had Yes, it was that weird race trashsh Yeah, I still have something up in my crap about it, like I'm so mad. It was like we'd worked so hard to get here, so hard to get here first big photo shoot and don't yeah, I'm so glad you brought that like a salvage yard kind of a place. But there was something that was like on a race track, and the race track was really cute and that was

fun stuff. And then they were like, come over here in short skirts and stand in front of a pile of trash and I was like no, yeah, by the way, Hillary, do you remember we were side by side and one of those shots that day and they handed you a hose and you just like pointed it at the ground. They wanted you to be hosing me down and you didn't do it, and I just like froze and you were like no, And I remember just looking around like

is this what's expected of me? And we didn't obviously, like we wouldn't let we didn't let them keep the water on, but like that idea, essentially, they were like trying to shoot a wet t shirt contest, and I was like, I don't want to do this at all, especially in a pile of trash. Gross words. Oh my god, totally forgotten about that, and I'm so glad you brought it up because a metaphor for how we were treated the whole time. Guys, we're gonna give you a photo spread.

It's gonna be a cover. It's made of trash. What was your first experience of like getting feedback, because I feel like we started to get it right around this episode. Uh, I don't know. I mean I know that what I remember was that there were message boards. Um that was still like there was still dial up I think at that time. I don't remember, but it was definitely like my Space and message boards, and it was not not

fancy or slick or pretty or anything. So you'd just go find your show on a message board and then just like search your name or look for whatever people were, whatever the topics were. Um, I don't remember. I could make something up, but I just don't remember. I didn't know. That's good. That means it wasn't traumatic, No, it wasn't. I don't I was concerned with what people thought. I think it probably did inform what I things that I maybe fought for I didn't fight for, but um, I

wish I had a memory of it. I don't, But you do you remember seeing things that people didn't like? Did it? Did it affect you when you went to work the next week or the next day, or were you like trying to make different choices? How did it affect you? I was certainly concerned about storyline, you know, because the show I signed up for was one thing, it evolved into this other thing that's like making vibrator jokes with teenage girls and like staying out drinking all

night you know, um, even though the lights are all on. Um. It uh. Definitely gave me like a lot of anxiety, especially because our bosses were aware of it, Like they brought it up to me. They're like, man, everybody hates you, you know, we're not sure how to like circle back and get them to like you. But they really like the other girls a lot better. And so there was a part of me also that was like, well, maybe

I lean into this. Like, you know, the first lesson they teach you in acting school is the bad guy doesn't know they're the bad guy. So there certainly was a part of season one where I'm like, oh, I'm the bad guy, like I guess I didn't realize that when I auditioned for the show, but I'm the bad guy. And that made it a lot easier to do questionable things, you know, to just like lean into this early. That's

so interesting that you felt like the bad guy. That's like the beginning of it all to the beginning of the separation, the segregation of the three of us of like, you know, the idea that you're somehow unliked and the rest and the end you know that somehow you're the you're the odd man out well, and there was always something, there was always a little earworm they'd give us right like, oh, well, you know this was good. But you know what they really liked was when she did that, and you know

who's really good is Sophia shirt. It's like, you know, they wanted us to feel like if if you know, any of anyone else was succeeding, we were failing. Was how we were made to feel, rather than you guys are all doing a really good job, and like, here's what your strengths are, and we're really proud of you. That that certainly was not. Isn't it crazy? How indirect like opposite from the storyline of the show. It is like you Devi and Karen and you've got Peyton Haley

like all kumbaya, like this is awesome. But then the behind the scenes what was that show? That that e true Hollywood story? Everything? Yeah, behind the scenes was so different. So it's crazy that the same brains were coordinating. But you know what's interesting to me is when I think about the fact that there was such a huge conflict between Lucas and Nathan, and in so many high school shows, the conflict is between the girls, but the conflict with the kids was between the boys. So in a way,

in the beginning, they wrote us very atypically. They kind of switched the traditional gender roles, and later as the as the boys repaired their relationship, they created rifts with the girls. And later they also started taking things from our real lives and putting them in the shows in very manipulative ways, because you know, there were I was just gonna say, though, that's like a great point that they wrote us as like nineties boys. What nineties boy

would be your character? Oh that's interesting? Oh God, watching friends, like like who was who was the b Arthur of nineties boys? Like for myself? You mean you as a person or like as would have been? Who was like the nineties boy of I think you're totally right, Sophia. They wrote you as like the Paul Walker. You know what I mean what I was going to say, I was the Pacy. You think I'm the Paul Walker. That's so flattering. Anny Blues just like sex on the washing

machine and I'm a fun on the stone. Yeah, like the like the party boy m hm yeah yeah, wow. She kind of was the captain of the football team, yes, the alpha. Okay, So who's the boy? Who's loves? Who's hey? I didn't watch like nine O two n oh, but I feel like there's somebody in there. I mean there's strong Josh Jackson vibes. I think like super Frank, I could live on a boat. Yeah, like boy next Door

but no bs. Yeah, childhood love. I still think that Sad Haley and Lucas energy is just so latent and prime. So who's yours? Who's your who's your nineties? I don't know what I'm afraid of is that I'm like, were you Luke Perry. Were you Dylan? I think I think you were. I think you were Dylan. Guys, I watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie with my son, and I was like, oh my god, I didn't want to be Buffy. I wanted to be Luke Perry. How was

my angst? Yeah, well that feels really appropriate because as a as a young teen myself, I didn't know if I wanted to be Luke Perry or date Luke Perry. And I feel like Brooke doesn't know if she wants to be painting her dater. So that's It's so because over the years, so many people have come up to

us and talked about sexuality and being teenage girls. And while we were so worried about being painted as these like little sex puppets for men, you know, what I didn't realize is um how much energy people were picking up on, you know, for a whole rainbow of preferences and seeing it in myself in this episode, you know, I kind of guessed when Peyton comes or is like hanging out with Haley outside of the bathroom, because I

was like, is Peyton flirting with Haley? It was like I'm watching a totally different person, but I was also enamored with you Joy, and so maybe yeah, probably just like you growl, you're trying to get out of here high school. It's hormones are all trying to figure out, like who are we? And what what is? What do I do with all these hormones? And how do I feel about this? And I think the reality is that

what you see on screen. I mean, my god, we were watching the episode and we were like, oh, the vibes are strong, the vibes are strong in the bathroom hallway, And I think the truth of the matter and and you know, the reality even when we think about all of our lives behind the scenes, As you said, it's messy because you are a young person trying to figure

out what attraction means. You know, now, as an adult, I'm like, oh my god, I'm attracted to the brains and intellects and spirits of all of my friends and of you know, I have writing crushes on people. But when you're a teenager, you're just like, well, a crush as a crush as a crush. You don't know the difference between what makes you drawn to a person, and and that I think is about that era of figuring

it out. And I think that's why, even though our show was um very binary at the time and because of who it was written by, I think so many people, as you mentioned, with a you know, spectrum of preferences, felt represented by us anyway, because as we were still representing that curiosity and that finding of ourselves regardless of where our characters found themselves, which to your point, Sophia, that we at that age, you know, we're all we are all trying to figure out where where we fit

and where we belong. And um, so so much of how we've that I was by what we watch and what we see around us. You know, the shows that we consume as young people make a huge impact in that, which again goes back to parenting, which is why parenting

is so important. That you know, it's not you're not just getting all your information from TV, because God, I mean, my idea of romance and attraction is what I thought relationships should be like and prejudice joy, what was what was your what was your like dream romance as a teenager? Oh my gosh, well the Princess Bride of course, couldn't

expectations get any higher? And you know, any of those great rom comes my best friend's wedding, which is super bittersweeten like not the kind of way that you want to model your you know, um, but yeah, but it's like you need you need. That's why parents are so important. Why I'm so greatful that we had you know, Keith doing some great parenting in this show, in this episode,

for sure, I mean, let's talk about that that. I mean Karen Karen also you know, giving great advice and deb was trying, but Nathan didn't seem to really listen. But um, I loved that Keith was like, I'm not letting you kids just run riot and get away with anything. I'm gonna make some phone calls and you guys have to own up to your responsibilities. Yeah it's nice to see that. Yeah, it was so nice to see the adults in the room forced them to deal with the

mess they'd made the night before. And yeah, Keith, by the way, like, had we seen him interact with Nathan at any point? Yeah, like the first thing we see him like other girls, Yeah, he probably had like Christmas with this kid when he was little. They've had to stay with each other at Thanksgiving and so for him to call and rat him out and be like, if

your dad won't parent you, I will parent you. Yeah. Yeah, And and and to not only demand that these kids learn something and behave uh, even if not in the moment, in the aftermath, with modicum of respect. And then you see deb you know, when she gets into it with Dan, and Dan says, well, he's a good kid, you know, and she tells him what he did, and she says,

a good kid based on what is scoring average? And it's like, do you even know what's going on with your kid or are you just concerned with his performance? You're so Sophia. I think about a lot of the other shows are a lot of shows I see now with teenagers, And sorry if I sound like an old lady, but like they're so disrespectful. Yeah, they're so disrespectful. And

that you're right. There was at least a lot of the kids on our show they when they were speaking to an adult there that that respect was still represented and if they were disrespectful, they got called on it, which I think is so important. And and when we took it a step farther and said, you know, what's motivating them, what's hurting them? You know, deb throwing that in Dan's face. She was like, you're paying attention to what he's doing, not how he is. And that hits

different for me now. It makes me want to see more of Debt, more of death, more death. How can we get more of Barbara Allen Woods? Yeah? I think what's cool is that if this script came across our desks, like right now, I like the women, the deb and Karen are like, this would be something we'll be like, yeah, yeah, that sounds neat. Um okay, so it was not lost on us. I don't know. We've crashed the comment how many times? How many times? Though? Actually need to know?

Somebody has to find out. Yeah, because we don't know because I forgot the Nathan crashed it. I know I crashed it once. Did Luke crash it at some point? I don't? I feel like maybe I feel like that that poor car really got harmed? Often were they kept two on the lot. We had Steve Thompson's and that was our alpha car. He worked in our camera department. Um, that was the one we never hurt. Yeah, that was

the one that drove. There was this other car that just it was like the punching bag that we you know, had to keep kind of looking like the comment. But then I heard that the comment got sold, and I would see people post about like, oh, I bought the comment, and I'm like, which, what? Which is it? The one we crashed into a telephone ball? Because if so, I am sorry. Sorry, guys, I will admit that sometimes I go on classic car websites and shock for that you do.

I should have bought it. I think you deserve it. Steve Offord to sell it to me when I first left the show, but it was it was too new, you know what I mean, Like I couldn't have it sit in my driveway. No, it was like yeah, and now I'm like, that's my car. Give me my car back, Damn I want it one of these days. Okay. So really, what this is is a call out if anybody's listening,

and it happens to be an excellent internet sleuth. And I know y'all are out there because you find things like pictures of joy and a penis hat, you turn them up all the time, you guys. Somebody out there, I'm sorry in a green hat. Please don't don't photoshop the thing I just said, don't do that. Keep it classy, Keep it classy, Internet friends, but in your classy searches of iconic One Tree Hill history. If someone finds a comment on the Internet, please email us the link to

a drama queen's email address. We would like to see it and perhaps a place an anonymous bid. Can I can I drop my son off at school? In Peyton's comment, well be I also sort of love the idea, you know, since this is our two point oh adventure, like, why can't you paint it white? Paint it red? Like you Mary Kay pink. Let's get real drama quick. You can do whatever you want. You can have your version of her car, all right, John a Queen's and I heart

radio dot com. Someone's going to find me a comment and we want to know how many times the comment was crashed? Yes, yeah, tell us two pieces of information we could use from you our friends out there. Word who wants to do superlatives? Are we doing most likely to most likely to? I really need to get the sound of a drum roll for these moments because I feel like the keep getting most likely to get married in Vegas? Interesting? Okay, so we should have a real

life option and then a character option. What do we think? I think the person who is most likely to get married in Vegas is definitely Tim. Oh, sweet Tim. He would just take whatever he could get, sweet baby. Yeah, Tim, definitely Yeah? Yeah right? Any cheerleaders? Yeah, I don't know that. I disagree with that. I don't know that I can come up with another one. Yeah, I agree. I think that's great. Okay, but who in real life? Like, who's the most impulsive member of our gang? I'm trying to

think of anyone did get married in Vegas? Did did anyone? I would? You? Would? You would? Yeah? Oh you would like a lope with a pair of cowboy boots on under your dress and just like do it? Yeah, I would do it. Are we going to solicit for that on the internet? To everybody who should Joy date? Yes? Yes, yeah, fine? I love this mark the first not the first wedding. You don't want your first wedding in Vegas. But if you're gonna have a second one, go to Vegas. The

courthouser to Vegas. Aren't we going to Vegas soon? Joy? That's right? Okay. So I have to find someone to marry, someone who I want to marry within the next, like your type, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, design your type right now. Oh ge whiz oh gee Willoker. You're like, oh my gosh. But some we're gonna blow on the dice. I just want, like I just want like a nice tall Christian cowboys like coal Houser on yellow Stone. It just plus some Jesus, you know, like that Johnny Cash

kind of Jesus. I want somebody who's a little bit rouchy and rough, but also it's a big teddy Bearn's side. And um, Alan Jackson smart, he's got to be real smart, Like I gotta have a really good conversations that it kills me if that's not and I gotta laugh. I gotta make me laugh. Um a right guinea cowboy coming to Vegas, Irish Lumberjack to anybody, I don't I don't want to like weed out the rest of the world. Okay, so I can see that. But what you're saying is

you like rural it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, I used to say when when I was on the market, I used to say, I'm just this is hard, but I need someone who can go rugged too. Red carpet, like you got to run the ranch and you have to be able to drop into a tuxt with me because we have things to go to. And that's so fine. You know, if you say any kind of when I date someone and they like don't quite know how to dress for a carpet, it's kind of sweet, your sneak.

All it takes is two birthdays and a Christmas and you can make over anywhere. Two birthdays. You're good at that. You're like, I'll think she don't worry, like just weary. This okay. So we know that our angel, Brett clay Well's character Tim is probably gonna go to Vegas, and that feels right to all of us. Um, and then you know, Joy will see what happens in September. Hey, I'll be there. You know. If you're like a nice Christian cowboy who's like tough and smart and you know, grouchy,

meet me in Vegas. Make sure make sure your jeans are tight, sir. But until aren't you pleasant? I don't believe you. Yeah, exactly, you gotta be. You gotta do a little cranky. But until we meet this grouchy, cranky cowboy. We do have some listener questions in the meantime. Um. The first one comes in from our friend Jacob, who says, my two best friends Courtney and Marissa and I are going to Wilmington's for our vacation to sight see all

the one Tree Hill sites. We enjoyed making a list of things and are even using things from your podcast to add to it. Kitty's are there any hidden gems you guys would suggest? Well? Lee tipped everyone off to the Brasserie last week? Yeah, what about that? Is the tea room on on Water Street? Still there? Who you guys? I think that's up for sale. That's the listing I

sent you. So we have this. We have the secret dream of getting a shop together like the three of us, and so I scour real estate listings and then send them to these two at two o'clock in the morning. It's my favorite thing. What about the right next to it, there's a friend place. I want to say, It's like, look contiliar Catalan, the Catalan. That's they've got a good They've got a good. Like um, what's it with the hot dog wrapped in a croissant and they starve it

with mustard like a pig in a blanket. But it's friend. It has a fancy Oh my god, I love it, those those little spots downtown. I will say, what I know will always be there that you must go to is kill Wins ice Cream, especially because it's going to be summer. The smell it, you can smell the waffle cones cooking from outside. Literally my mouth is watering thinking about it. The air chocolate chip cookie dough is the best ice cream I've ever had in my life, so

toast it's just so good. Please go have some for us. Um, go to the Brasserie for that mac and cheese that is Leon Norris's favorite. And you must go to Wrightsville Beach because it's again the summertime, and be because Tower seven is there, and that those tacos and for shopping. Go to the edge of Earth. Is that still there? It was totally still there. And they've also got a location in Raleigh. Um, I think we all know I'm going to talk about the bar scene. Blue Post is

the spot. You know, we were friends with the owners when we were there, still friends with the owners in fact. So over the Christmas break, Jeffrey had to shoot a movie and they shot the entire movie without him, like in l A or somewhere else. And then they just had to shoot his coverage. They had like a body double for him, so I literally just needed to shoot his coverage. And we were in the Outer Banks and

they were like, we'll meet you in Wilmington. We need a bar, but everything's closed for COVID, so where like where can we shoot? And so I called Barbara Wheaton, the owner of Blue Post, and was like, yo, girl, my Husban's got to do a movie. Can they your And she was like, oh my god. Yes. So they opened it up for this you know, this production. Um, but it will only be Jeffrey's side. Oh my god.

So it was really cool. I think they actually they had to double like sand dunes in the desert and so they drove off to Carolina Beach in the middle of the night and cheated the beach for the desert, which is that's the magic of movie making. Magic. Yeah, Go Post is great and Yosaki like karaoke was so so fun. And if you go to Blue Post, look for our look for our little placards because Blue Post has a beer list. You will not get through it

in three days. Our friend Jacob and Courtney and Marissa, but it took us all a while. I think it's like sixty four beers or something, and some of them are discussing on purpose, and you have to drink all of them, and then you get a little placard on the wall with you do it. Of course I did it. I did that. I did it. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah. I was like, give me, give me all the beers. Let's do this. I want to leave my

mark on Wilton in this bar. Your face has painted on the side of the studio, but you're like a little placard on that post. And I think they're like, they're honestly like little plastic name tags that just get hot glued to the wall. Baby, someone stole yours, I would be so sad that felt in my name. If you, if you did steal it, give it back. If you stole it, please return it. Thank you, thank you very much. Yeah, whoever bought that should honestly sell it to you. That

would be a nice thing for them. Guys. They like shifted across the ocean, which is a huge compliment. It's in Australia. I heard. Really that's a huge compliment that someone wanted. So what I hear you saying is that we also need to take our road show of drama queens to Australia, and these people need to give us a ride to our event eventually in your b So if you'all could just get vaxed so we could come and we would love it. Okay, what is next? Okay,

So we have a question from Katie. Katie says, if you were the parent to Brook, Haley and Peyton and or Peyton, what advice would you have given them to help them get through high school? I mean, oh my god, are we going to talk for another forty five minutes? Um? Atlanta? Um? Should we just give advice for our characters, like as our respective, like a parent to our characters? Yes, that makes sense. I would have told Haley, um, it's okay to make mistakes. Don't worry so much about about being

perfect and trying to control everything. Just let let yourself be messy if you need to, and just experience, experiment and experience life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I would tell Peyton, baby, got the whole rest of your life to be a grown up, you know, don't rush it, just be goofy. I see, I see myself trying to be goofy in Peyton, but she wasn't written as goofy and so I see myself like slumping or like delivering lines kind of goofy um and and yeah, I like when I see kids

just acting like dorks. I'd tell Payton to dork it up. Yeah, I would want to give that that advice to Brook also and actually enjoy. It's so funny. What comes to mind. I don't know if you remember this, but remember when we were in Wilmington's and you started asking us to do those twenty questions answers for you my blog, and you asked me to write advice to my younger self. And it feels so right for Brooke, especially as we've just unpacked some of her performative fear in this episode.

Um but but I remember saying, don't worry so much about being someone else's definition of enough. You already are. And I just would want for her to feel that she was enough, that she didn't have to prove, or live up to, or or convince anyone of anything. I love that you guys are totally enough. You're more than enough for me, you are. We hope you're having fun with us, We hope you're learning some things, and you know it's sparking conversations between you and your friends as well,

and we're just so grateful that you're tuning in. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Drama Queens. Yeah, next week we have episode five, all that you Can't leave behind. I have no idea what's going to happen. I'm here. I mean, Lucas is mad at Haley and Nathan or on the verge of breaking up, and something's going on with Brooken this next episode. I think too. I have to are you're probably going to make a move. Are you going to make a move on the boy?

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