“More Brooch” with Kelsey Asbille ᐧ EP612

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Girl Drama, Queen Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queen's Drama Queens. Hey, Hey, everybody, Season six, episode twelve, you have to be joking. Autopsy of the Devil's Brain. It's a little it's a little wordy, but it's okay. Air date November twenty fourth, two thousand and eight. Welcome back, everybody. You've got me, Hillary and the Fabulous so Impossible to get. We finally got her, Kelsey as Beale.

Oh crazy, she's here.

Kelsey. Would you read our synopsis for us?

Yes, of course.

As Lucas takes a trip to Hollywood to meet his film director, parts Great Nathan.

Gets ro basketball tryout.

Hayton struggles with Mia to focus on her follow up album, while Millicent confronts Marvin about Gigi. Julian approaches the dubious Brook about designing clothes for his movie and Haley picks a reluctant Jamie to school town show.

This episode was a shining example of our boss putting all of his own thoughts and dreams and weirdness into the storylines of our characters and us just having to like do it.

This was my least favorite part of the show, like the season wise, the time when we were doing the Hollywood movie version of Lucas's script and we're now we've just completely run out of all possible storylines for all of these characters. We just have to show other people acting out the same storylines they've already watched for the last six seasons. It's so dumb. It really bothers me.

It became so meta, Like.

James van der Beek, the reveal of James Vanderbeeks the director.

He's great, He's great.

Kelsey, were you allowed to watch shows like Dawson's Creek and One Tree Hill growing up?

So?

I think I was a little too young for Dawson's Creek because One Tree Hill was kind of my my era. But I do remember meeting James Vanderby.

I have to say his full.

Name, He's if you call him James. It's like our James.

Nathan James, do you remember meeting him on set for this episode? Which is so funny, but yeah, it does feel very meta and it.

Fell too like he was making fun of so many Dawson's things. Like in this episode, him being this goofball director was probably my favorite part because I had nothing to do with it and it was just I couldn't just enjoy it, but him like jumping on the chair like Tom Cruise. This was when him and Katie were still together, you know, right, and you know, trying to get Haley and Lucas to end up together because he knows what fans like, you know, and then.

Asking if they could kill Haley because doesn't Michelle Williams die at the end of Gosson's.

Creek she does.

Oh spoiler her Sorry.

Yeah, there's so many little nods in there.

Yeah.

Yeah, I liked that because he took the note of being sufferable and he really ran with it.

Yeah, he was having fun for sure.

Yeah, definitely, which I think made Chad have fun. Like I really liked Lucas in this episode too, because he's just kind of steady and he's got these two big, like weird alpha male personalities.

He's got Julian drawn and sugar in the diner. Vanderbeek's playing with cocaine.

Oh yeah, yeah, Lucas is just watching everyone go crazy around.

Him, and then Chad like blows the sugar off and walks out. It was seeing that's interesting.

Was that on the page or was that like actor choices?

That's what I'm wondering. I could see Austin. Austin's funny enough, he could I could see him, or quirky enough. I could see him pouring the sugar out on the table and doing that just on his own whim.

Yeah, just make an art man, yes, Jus.

I had a conversation with Gus last night about choices as an actor because he's doing the Hobbit, he's doing a play. Yeah, And I was like, sometimes as an actor you have to make bad choices. And I thought that the sugar was it just made Julian look like such an asshole because I've waited tables like you could Why did you wait tables? You're like, Oh, he's the sugar guy. He's sugar guy. Cool, yeah, show off. Well, it was fun to see the Dixie grill. Was that

Was it?

Oh?

I don't know why I had this Dixie Girl in my mind.

There was one that was a closer. It's like a waffle house.

It was closer to Soapbox. It was across the street, directly from Karen's Cafe. Oh yeah, it was like the little stepsister to Dixie Grill.

Oh funny. Yeah. I love all those little southern dive diners that we had down there. Kelsey, what were some of your favorite spots when you were in Wilmington to go to restaurants?

Okay, Cafe Phoenix.

Oh oh yeah, ri Ip.

I went to Circa.

Oh yeah, that's still around.

We just went to Circa when we were in town for the convention and we showed up. It was like a bunch of us. It was late, and they were so nice that they seated us. But the waitress was just.

Like, oh my god, like everyone from Montreal is here. This was so weird.

What do we do? What do I do?

So we ordered drinks and everyone's kind of moving around and she's trying to put the drinks down on the table and she pours the entire tray of drinks down Sophia's back, and Sophia was wearing leather pants, so there was nowhere like went to go.

It just pooled in her. God, and I was like, circa, never change, never change.

Best person for that to happen to. By the way, though, Sophia is so gracious. I'm sure that in that moment she was really I wasn't there, but I'm sure she was.

Lovely thanked the waitress and then tipped her really well because I was like, this will be a story that we tell later. So yeah, Now, the restaurants in Wilmington, it is fun to see those. We spent a lot of time in that diner between Julian and Sam.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of time in the diner of this episode, just this episode.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Watching Austin, I just love watching him on camera. He moves around in front of a camera like he's like ice skating. He's it's so easy, there's such a flow. Even the way he walks in and out of sets. I never feel like he's hitting a mark. I never feel like he's delivering a line. He's just there, present, responding, and then when there's nothing left to say or do, he leaves. It's great.

Well, my favorite thing at the beginning of this episode. I don't care about Austin. I care about the fact that Haley James Scott is walking around with a tape measure to measure her husband at the River Court, just like randomly.

So random. Although I can attest to the fact that now as a mom, I do often have a tape measure in my purse. I don't know why I said as a mom. Maybe it's because it's like the sort of you get older and you have a house moved to buy furniture, and having kids can be part of that. But yeah, I'm like on the lookout for furniture, and I don't know, I feel like Marie's asking me more often for a tape measure because she's got things she wants to see if it fits in her room. Is

I have one right here?

Amazing Okay, Yeah, of course, I think that's why I appreciate it so much, because it's just like, how are we going to start the episode? I know Haley could just be measuring him at the River Court because he.

Doesn't know how tall he is.

Let's just double check one more time that I didn't grow any in the last four years.

No.

I liked that. That's one of those little things where you're on set.

And you're like, this doesn't make any sense, and they say, you're an actor, make it make sense, and you did.

You just did, thank you.

Yeah, there were quite a few of those moments. But I did love this storyline, especially for James. Really cool to see somebody just making a hail Mary pass, a last ditch effort, you know, reworking a dream from another angle, like trying to trying to not let something go or at least not live a life, knowing that he could have taken a last shot. I love seeing this and I thought they played it out really well.

The way it was.

Shot, too, was really neat when he's like in the middle of the trials.

And they'd like when he was talking to camera when he was doing the vo and it would freeze frame.

I say that was corny.

Kelsey, have you ever thought.

About suggesting freeze frame on Yellowstone? Have you ever been like, you, guys know what we should do with this rodeo?

That's right? Play by play.

We should tell the audience exactly what's happening.

John Dunn's just gonna walk us through it. He's gonna tell me exactly.

He had a saving Private Ryan moment in one of the episodes, and I remember had to run down this hill and howboy boots and my son of course running away from danger as you do on Yelstone. Yeah, they run away from major but my and I remember, my son just takes off. He just runs down that hill so fast, and I'm.

Like there, like, but your mother like hitting marks.

I mean, actually, it's so cool that Austin is so good with my I'm so terrible at Marx.

I'm still so ri at hitting marks.

Well, oh god, I totally forgot to mention this.

We should dedicate this episode to Johnny V who just passed away. He was our focus puller on One Tree Hill. John vari Hush, I didn't know that, John, I don't Kelsey. I don't know how much like you interacted with him. But joy for me, John Variety taught me how to hit a mark because on the pilot I was like, why is there a sandbag on the ground, Like, what is that? I'd only done theater where it's like you're

Just quietly taught all of us.

You know, hitting a mark is a huge part of our job.

Yeah, yeah, you can't really be seen. And how many times have you given a performance only to find out it's out of focus and you gotta hold it again.

Or you're blocking someone's light which makes you feel like a realizable.

Or someone's blocking yours because you didn't hit your mark.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah. John was very generous with me too, and yeah, he always gave me sandbags because the hardest part is walking in and not looking down, so you have to sort of see it in your peripheral and then gauge generally once you start approaching where it is. But yeah, he was He was always very respectful and generous and treated us like we were adults, like young adults capable of deciphering and learning these things rather than kids that needed to be you know, whipped into shape. And it

I would talked to a couple crew members and I wish that we'd been able to go down and you know, celebrate with them, because we did have such a happy little family on set. Like our crew was awesome, Kelsey. Who'd you hang out with on on set? What was your department?

Is it Jim from Crops?

Oh?

Yes, Jim Nelson?

Oh my gosh, he was so wonderful. He was really yeah, so so hoderful and just always had a good, like fun energy.

Yeah, so sweet.

Yeah, we had good dudes.

Are all these guys still in Wilmington or everybody go to Atlanta because the stage is open and.

No, like half of them were working on Outer Banks. We should go crash Outer Banks, dude.

I have been bugging my manager to be on Outer Banks.

Oh my god, on Outer Banks too.

Should we just be on that show?

Yeah?

You could still play a teenager on Outer Banks, Kelsey. So I don't want to hear it from you. We're playing moms. Now, you big jerk.

Speaking of teens, Sam, who has a boy sneaking out of her window? I love trying to pretend to be mad. We so, Ashley Rickards was how much older than you?

Kelsey?

Like I want to say, I don't remember. How do you remember how old she was?

Maybe four years older?

No, she wasn't twenty. If Kelsey was sixteen when we filmed this episode, yeah she was. Maybe she was.

Oh yeah, no, I think maybe only one year older. I feel like she also was sixteen.

She was little too.

But I like that you're playing a grown up and she's still playing a kid.

Oh yeah, I remember I was talking about that. Yeah, because it's like, wait, this is so, this is so backwards.

We don't know what's real anymore. That's like, you know Quinton was older than us? Yeah, he was older than us playing in high school?

Or did you ever sneak in and out of your bedroom window?

Did?

Oh?

Honey, No, because I have a military father, so I had like locks and bolts and cameras all over.

Did your dad love sharper image like my dad did, or like radio shack? Did you have those little lasers around your house that would beep if anybody walked past your house.

We still have the top past our driveway.

Yeah, it's like.

Alert, you are on camera. Alert.

Oh my god. Yeah we had the beeps. Military kids can't sneak out.

Yeah, so you didn't sneak out.

No joy, did you?

Yeah? What you kidding me? I had a one story house. My window opened up to the backyard. I was on Route seventeen. Like, that was so easy to climb out the window. I didn't go anywhere. I was too scared. I just like walked around the block by myself. To be contrarian. I was like, I did it, and then climbing in and go to bed.

I could never. I could never. That's hilarious. Well, Sam's going for it, and I love that. When Brooke is like did you sleep with him or whatever? She's like, dude, I'm like fifteen.

And when Brooke is like, well when I was fifteen?

Oh yeah, the look on Ashley's face, Yeah.

I was fifteen slash twenty four.

Yeah, exactly. Turns out Ashley actually is one year younger than you, Kelsey. We just found it.

Oh my god.

Yeah, so there really was this Yeah, holy young crappy'all. So great, so nice. So here's what I liked about this Sam's storyline. I did think they wove it together pretty well. I was not expecting the Xavier thing in the car with Evan Peters. Evan Peters, by the way, hey, everylmoighty, like, how do we get him? He also was one of those young I think he was the same age as you guys.

Have you crossed paths with him? Again?

I never met him because I remember he was on the show and then, but when I was rewatching it, I yeah, I totally forgot.

I think he'd like to forget too. You know, he doesn't put one tree hill on his reel.

Oh god, sorry, Evan, you're stuck with us. Yeah that Evan petersing, I joy. You're right.

They tied that all together nicely, because we've been dragging this out.

Yeah, like, who the heck attacked Brooke and that's already tell us, oh.

Man, and it is.

It's so heartbreaking when she realizes.

Yeah, you know, yeah, I wasn't expecting that. So that that was the nice reveal. And I really liked Julian looking for Sam and intentionally not telling Brooke and telling her you know, she's got to solve it. It's her own problem, because he knows that it would make her question his motives ultimately if he told her he was trying to help her, or if he actively made it known that he was helping her. And I like that he wanted her to trust him and went ahead and

I don't know.

I for me, it's so weird how Julian goes from being those really kind of devious. I mean, he likes to poke the bear. He's a pretty antagonistic person.

All the shitt he says to.

Lucas in the beginning, it's just so unnecessary, but it, you know, it's his character, and then he'll end up becoming this goober and it's I I like the antagonist to character. I wish that he had just always kind of stayed tall.

It's fun to love it. It's tall. Yeah, Like they're.

Fun to be with.

Dan Scott can't be the only hole in the world.

Yeah, come on, that's it.

They're like, you listen, everybody loves it hole here and there and bron Davis.

Sure she could kiss it out of him.

No, I do like that he wasn't the Knight in Shining Armor, because you're right.

Motive is like, oh hey girl, I'll help you and then we can kiss later.

Yeah, or just find the child because it's the right thing to do. Yeah, right, Yeah, because what was Owen doing? Poor Joe?

What a weird That whole thing was so weird.

Every other episode he's like a hero saving Daniel or Rachel.

Yeah, and then he was just Yeah, that was weird.

That was strange.

No, so out of character. So it felt so forced and contrived.

Kelsey, when's the last time you saw this show? Like? How much of this lord are are you caught up? I'm familiar with I haven't seen it in since it aired.

I haven't seen this episode probably since it aired. So it was it was so crazy and so nostalgic and like and I really like, I mean, like I said, I you know, can skip pissed my parts, But I really love watching y'all because it feels like it feels good, it feels like home. You know.

I was gonna ask give you little watch parties with your friends when you're little. I don't mean sading. I had little watch parties too with things, okay, but when it first came out, you're.

Stuff, okay, So I did so the first episode that came out, you know, because I mean Gigi could have very easily been cut of that, especially that.

First episode, like oh.

My god, you were adorable, I don't think so.

At this party, like for the like at the high like it was at like some poolhouse, like public poolhouse, and that had a TV, and like a bunch of my high school came and I like, I couldn't believe how that was so bold because if I had been cut out of that show, Oh my god, I'd be a different person.

Now never live down.

Oh my god, it shows up and you're not in the episode?

Did make this up? So yeah, I would have watch parties.

And they also really thought that you had to keep everything secret, like I mean.

Marvel level, like yeah, they probably told you that.

Yeah, so I would like be you know, I'd be like, yeah, don't want your hill this week.

I can't tell you what's happening.

Back then, like you couldn't stream it, you couldn't really watch it later, like watching it the night of was a much bigger deal than it is now, Like nobody does watch parties now.

Because everybody just watches on their own time. But back then that was.

It's sad that you watch parties anymore.

Maybe we can bring it back. We can do that again. That's fine.

Yeah, when we're on outer Banks.

Yeah, outer Banks.

We're coming for you guys, for us now. Yeah, the Owen. The men in this episode are weird because, explain, we have James Vanderbeek who's being a cartoon and I love it, like yes, snidely whiplash, like great into it.

And then we.

Have Julian who's also kind of being a cartoon. He's like, I'm a bad guy, and he keeps basically telling everyone, Hey, I'm a bad guy, just so you know I'm a bad guy. It's like I love that. Sam was like I don't really think that you're a bad guy. She says, okay, keep trying. And then we have Owen who's also like, I.

Guess I'm just a bad guy.

And then Mouth's like that photo means nothing, it means nothing.

Who actually is kind of bean, I'm not a bad guy.

I'm not a bad guy. And Lucas is just looking around like these are bad guys.

These are bad guys. Yeah, their dudes are all kind of being like James is lovely because James Lafferty is always lovely.

James bad, He's bad.

No, but James is talking to the camera like it's an after school special where he's like, yeah, that's where they got me wrong, freeze fray. I would love to think that the human who wrote has erected this had actually been a real human man before and understood how they worked and functioned. But maybe this was an alien. Maybe this is like an octopus. I don't know who thought all these.

Guys great bad guy. The guy that was talking to Nathan was just so over the top, Like.

That was so funny.

Yeah, that was calling him the the Riddler.

Like a Batman reference that nobody gets. Nobody gets.

No, just the whole thing was wild wild. This was a drinking game episode, you.

Know what I mean?

Right?

I didn't look at it that way, like I appreciated the sentiment.

I just said some drinking game rules.

For one, so oh yes, they're so great.

Wait there are real ones. Yeah, like it just up.

It just came up on my on my Instagram. Okay, let's see yeah, y'all, because it's really it's great.

We should play it and then watch an episode together and then record a podcast I'm drunk and see what happened.

We want definitely I'll come back.

I want to come back.

But yeah, it's like somebody Lucas squints one drink, Dan shows up unwanted one drink.

Victoria's a bitch one drink.

Oh yeah, easy man. Yeah, well, Nathan Scott slam dunks and Scott shows off them goblin shoes.

The goblin shoes freeze frame.

Didn't we make fun of John Asher for using freeze frame in an episode?

Yeah? I guess they liked it.

Because it's what happens at the end of the Breakfast Club. And there's also the Breakfast Club reference in here. Pior Sophia has to just get up from her desk and just like.

Oh my god, this is the dance.

Dancing scenes are the worst.

Oh god, so painful.

Yeah, Like, okay, you're drawing and then the song you like comes on the radio, and so you just get up from drawing, go over to the stereo and turn it on, just randomly start dancing wild in front of your store that has all glass walls.

All windows, and I know the fans love that.

They all the things that we push back against, like the Spice Girls dance and like.

Singing in the library. I love it, they love it.

I mean she also made it really cute because I yeah, you see that in the script and be like, oh.

Yeah, having a swim on TV. You're like really, And then she.

Had to turn that into Julian I don't like you, I don't trust you. I Like, it wasn't even it couldn't even be cute. Afterwards it was right back into very serious just just so so strange.

Because a normal human with normal human emotions did not write or direct this episode.

AI before.

Yeah, how would a robot write a teen drama? It's this you guys, and as actors, this is just what you have to commit to.

They tested it out, They tested it out on One Tree Hill before they released it. Yeah, this episode brought to you by chat GPT.

Oh god, no, no, thank you. We recycled.

We recycled lines too, because you know, in the pilot episode, Peyton's very you know, well known line is first of all, you don't know me, second of all, So the first of all, second of all thing is something that.

Peyton would say over and over again, and now who was saying it? Was it Brooke? Who was saying that?

Now?

Oh yeah, was it Brooke?

She says it right, Yeah, she says it to Julian like, first.

Of all, yes, she's spicy.

So wait, I want to ask you, when you're having to play someone who's this different from who you are in real life and someone who has had life experience that you haven't had yet as a young woman, who do you base that character on?

Like?

Were there other TV or movie characters that you're like, I guess I'll just try that.

God, I mean, I think that would give me too much credit with my process.

You're like, I know how slutty girls act.

I guess I'll try this.

No, I think that I do remember in a couple of episodes ago, I had to down like ten hein in a kids or something. They were like a beer bottles, and like, you know, I from experience, I would get such bad. I got really bad at Asian glows. So I just, yeah, this isn't real. You know, I went six beers in.

This is what I got.

Yeah, I think you're just like you think you're just acting how an older girl.

Would I don't.

Know those older girls as older girls trouble.

Was there a girl at school that you based Gucci on? Was there a slutty senior that you were like, that's her.

I don't even think I knew anyone.

Like Chelsea was like, I'm just gonna smile and say these lines and it's gotta work.

That's why it was so likable. Yes, I really did.

I have this problem where I was so happy to be there that every line I'd say with a big goofy grin, it worked a nervous laugh afterwards.

Like when I was watching this.

Episode, I was like, oh my god, because I still have this like nervous energy laugh er, Like I'm like, I do I do that after every.

Line in this episode. It's horrifying.

It makes me think that maybe Gigi's still a virgin.

You guys, he totally is. She's putting it on.

Oh yeah, yeah.

I was always accused of talking a big game, but then actually my high school cheerleading coach nicknamed me blue balls, which is the most inappropriate thing for an adult to call a child, but it was so accurate because I was like, oh no, I'll talk a ton of shit. But I'm not gonna touch anybody, are you like that way?

But you had good game, That's that's important. I could talk to anybody.

Yeah.

Maybe maybe Gigi is totally a virgin and we've misread this situation.

Yeah, I think we uncooked something really important here.

Yeah.

I think she totally is.

She totally was.

She's just trying to think. Now, did you.

See that kids in a couple of seasons ago.

Yeah, I don't know.

She must be doing something right because I've never seen an intern get a going away party at the magnitude of Gigi's going away.

Yeah, shocking. Well, you know who's not going to be a version anymore?

Me?

MEMMILLI Wow, this decision, This is quite the decision.

I mean, what a.

Way though, Like, really, when you're just angry at your boyfriend, are gonna get back at him? I'm done? Yeah, I know, like it seems very dramatics. That's a very dramatic choice to make because you're upset with your boyfriend because you think, but it's like.

The third or fourth time she's been upset about this exact issue, So break up with him, I know, Well that's what she should do. Instead, She's going to go climb that o en tree and yeah.

And also have drunk sex with a guy who's been like sober.

For eight years.

Oh gosh, I've been sober, freight you. I've been a urgeon for twenty two.

That is how did we not win Emmys for this? Causie?

We heard award shows for Yellowstone and yeah, we're like, you know, who should be here?

Does the tree? Kids?

No?

I mean, look, Yellowstone is neither boy.

Uh No, I love I love just a real stinker line.

Yeah, that was Yeah, such a line. It's hard to sell. I haven't I've been sober for eight years and tonight what did you say? I haven't had a drink in eight years, and tonight that's going to change. I haven't had sex in over twenty two years, and tonight that's going to change. First of all, like I haven't had sex in over twenty two years, The implication that you would have had been having sex at any point until like

I don't know, guys, I think I'm talking myself into liking this episode more and more like, it's so.

Goofy Jamie in Attus.

Oh the Talent show. That was sweet.

It was cute.

It was very cute.

Haley still doesn't have anything to do. Poor Hayley's just like carrying a tape measure.

Thank god they put me in a wiggle dress.

Yeah, the dress are great.

I got to wear that Joan Holloway wiggle dress. I was happy about it. I insisted on wearing the brooch. Everyone, it's my fault.

I like the brooch. What's wrong with the brooch?

Makes me look like I'm seventy five?

No, I liked it.

I didn't even notice the brooch. That's so funny. That's so funny.

I was like, guys, it's cool. It's like vintage and cool.

And it was more. Brooch is the name of this episode, guys.

I don't know she wants to wear a brooch. Just put it on her. We have too many other things to argue about.

A beak jumping on a chair. Just let Joy have her broke.

But I remember Jackson really being excited about this because he was a little comic, like he loved walking around talent jokes, doing magic tricks, playing tricks on people that was fun for him. So I do remember him being super stoked to get this right and get all the laughs from the audience. He was a little jokester, I do.

I love that for his character too, that like he would be really into stand up so sweet.

Did you guys ever do talent shows when you were little?

Do we ever do one?

He shows? Yeah? What was like the talent show at your element You danced to everybody dance?

Now?

Didn't you enjoy every girl did like that routine?

No?

I did it. I did a bid for it. I feel like I told hi sorty, I did a bid for class vice president in the fifth grade, and I did a dance to Amy Grant's and I had multiple hats on the stage with me that I just rotated through. Yeah, I don't know about talent shows.

What about you, guys, Kelsey, what were you doing in elementary school three years before you joined our cast?

Were you?

Were you tap dancing?

I was embarrassing myself on one tree Hill? So he told think I was in the God.

Man gus is my son's first talent show in kindergarten. He was like, I'm gonna do magic tricks, mom, And I was like, what magic trick are you gonna do?

And he was like that one.

The dad does where he tears up the paper towel and then wads it together and then it's all whole again. And I know that Jeffrey has not explained this magic trick to Gus. He just thinks it's like hereditary, like, so he's gonna rip up this paper towel and it's gonna actually come back together, and so he's like, I'm gonna go do this. I was like, Oh, I don't know if we should do that, and so then instead

Yeah, you have to record it.

She wants to be dressed as Godzilla.

She wants me to create a landscape of small buildings that make her look really.

Big, and then it's going to be her in a dragon Telly Joe. It's so elaborate. She's producing this.

Thing too, or directing it. That's really cool.

But that's the part of this episode that I liked, is that a five year old knows exactly what they want. Yeah, and it's only the grown ups that get in the way.

Yeah, Yeah, he's adorable.

Yeah, let just tell your jokes, Jamie and Joy, I really appreciated that you and his mom were in the audience, given that face of like, I.

Know what he's doing. This was always plan.

This is a let Actually, that's so like y'all's reactions to him. No one's shocked because also like he probably.

Wasn't there right because he's on kid hours, did y'all?

Oh, yeah, that's probably true.

Yeah, you had to stand in a grind grid man Jackson, somebody on his knees, probably a.

Young woman Jackson.

God.

Yeah, yeah, it's always like a twenty year old chick playing a child. Yeah, that was cute.

I'm waiting for Haley to get something to do, though, Joy I can feel I can feel fatigue for your character because it's like, Nathan, what's your dream?

Great, Jamie, let's do something adorable. Great. It's like I'm just.

Gonna look good in this dress. Then I'm gonna put my legs upon my husband, show these legs off.

Yeah. It was a good it was a good moment, good hair, makeup, dress moment. Yes, for sure. What's going on with Peyton? Why is she said? What's what's happening? And why is she being so mean to me? Actually, in your defense, I do not think you were being mean to me. I think you were being a very rational business person and she was kind of being I think she was being obstinate for no reason.

Personally, that was a speech directed at me.

That was that was me having to say the words that were directed at me because the person who wrote it and directed it. So when Peyton's saying, you're so ungrateful, the studio wants this from you, you know, I'd gotten the note about my hair.

They didn't like my hair. They didn't you know, it.

Was like they didn't like and I had reached that point where I didn't care anymore, and I was like, I don't know.

I'm here for a couple more episodes.

That whole speech was directed at me, and so it's weird to watch it and watch like a younger version of myself fully commit to it, and like I remember thinking like, Okay, you want to see how badshit this is, Like you want to see how crazy all this sounds. I'm going to show you how well it's unhinged. This all sounds and I didn't like having to fight with Kate.

Be jokey jokie. But yeah, so all of that weird meta stuff.

It was hard for me to watch my part in this episode because I'm like.

Didn't is anyone else seen this?

It's like I'm seeing Bigfoot and he's like right there in front of me, and no one else is acknowledging the bigfoots there, and I'm like, you, guys, it's real, it's right here. And so maybe with some distance and time other people can see it, but I just it's fatigue for me at this.

Point because I'm like, I get it. You use the dialogue as a weapon and a tool.

Like Mamma, what else is name?

Baye? No, Peyton had a sharp pain at the end of the nineteen forties episode and she's going to a doctor. And we know that Ellie had cancer, we know that she's got this history of female problems, and so we don't know what's wrong with Peyton. But on top of that, the doctor voice in the episode is our producer Greg Prange, who was my boyfriend's dad, you know, the guy I

And you know what do you do?

Like we've all had those jobs, yeah, and you're just like, Okay, this is I think this is when it dawned on me that instead of it being my whole life, instead of it being these are all my friends, and this is what hang out with outside of work, and this is my life and I promote this show and I this is when it became a job.

And that sucked.

Yeah, it sucked.

But I thought Kate did a good job of being, you know, like a kid.

She's being a kid, and we committed to what was on the paper.

Yeah you have to what else can you do?

Were you did?

So?

Were you at that time, like staying in Wilmington where you're leaving?

Like I was in that haunted house downtown that apparently is for rent now after the convention where I talked about it a whole bunch. It's like people keep sending me the listing for it, Like I'm not moving back, but someone else can. Uh, yeah, it's for rent. They put the kitchen in my old library where the bar was. They like moved the whole kitchen.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

I was going to Charleston a lot, and I was going to Raleigh every weekend to go see my high school best friend. Because it dawned on me that I couldn't necessarily trust the relationships that I'd had over the last you know, five six years, and then I needed to get back to the relationships that I'd had since I was ten eleven, you know, and so it was good to get out. I mean, I think as a young actor, you don't understand that your job can just be your.

Job, especially on location like that, when it's so easy to just become a part of the bubble. You just get absorbed into it.

Going to work though, and just being pleasant at work and then going home and having a totally separate life is important.

Yeah, like you don't.

Have to kiss your co star just because a casting director thinks you make a nice couple. But yeah, I mean, I think everyone goes through that learning phase, and this was just it's weird to watch the exact moment where it hit for me.

Yeah, that scene really totally different now that you say that.

But it's fine because I'm in such This was actually a really lovely period because I am so isolated that I wasn't in any of the big group scenes. Like I was like, Peyton is going to be Jamie's aunt, Why isn't she at the talent show? But because I would only work one day an episode in these one locations, that meant I had all this other time to just go do other stuff.

And I did, and did you make that short film? You did a short film with Austin on those cameras that they gave us. I love that you sent the link. You have to send that to Kelsey because it's really really great little movie.

Yeah they get What were those things called razor cameras?

Yeah, flip cam, Yeah, flip.

Cameras they were They were flipcam and they just plugged into your computer and you could make little movies. And we wanted to make a movie for free. And so yeah, it was about that time because I had all this free time, I was wanting to produce. And this was really when I was like meeting screenwriters and I was helping out with Cucolors, and you know, Jeff Nichols was a director. He like came and stayed at my house

Ended up being awesome.

Such a gies.

Yeah, like, okay, I can stay busy, Kelsey.

What do you do on a lot of your free time while you and you're on location. I mean, it was such a big ensemble cast. There's got to be a lot of days when you're off.

Yeah, kind of, it's kind of the same thing, and you, yeah, you realize that that downtime is so important, and so I don't know, I really I think, especially after the pandemic, I was at the beginning of Yellows done.

I would fly out every weekend.

I'd go back to New York or LA or go home. I couldn't sit still. And then after the pandemic, I don't know, it became.

Settled, settle, we use the word settled.

Became settled, and I just really I loved I'd sit on the porch and watch my dog run.

Yeah.

Do you still have that little cat, Sinatra?

Oh my gosh, joy I think about this cat.

O do?

I Uh?

It was just a foster, but it was the first time that I experienced animal love. I wish that you had texted me like two weeks earlier or whatever, because I real the cat.

Yeah, she wanted the cat. I met with Kelsey and her boyfriend at the time, and they had this cat they were fostering. It was so cute, and then Marie wanted the cat.

Were in love with each other.

I know, and I just had to think about it. And by the time I texted you it had already found another home. I guess I thought maybe you took it. Anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but now you have a dog.

But now I have a dog, and yeah, I just it's also in Montana, you can there's really like all the produces really good, so you can like go pick up your eggs from the neighbor and and you make really nice food. And yeah, you get to ride horses on your days off. So I think, yeah, I think, just like taking care of yourself, because you know, the always jobs are always they have highs and lows and are very stressful in their own ways, along with a lot of wonderful things.

So well, you've had really heavy story on that show.

I mean, if Peyton's dealing with you know, spoiler alert, pregnancy or like health issues, your character's really been put through the gamut. And that thing that they don't tell you in the beginning is that your body doesn't know it's fake.

Your brain knows it's fake.

Your body doesn't know that that rush of adrenaline or cortisol is fake. Right, and you take good care of yourself otherwise you'll turn no monster.

Yeah, no I am. I think especially the story the storyline we just did when Monica loses the baby's my mom actually because I drive out from from Brooklyn to Montana.

You drive, Yeah, because I'm my dog's tough. She's such a tough girl. Yeah, we do.

She came and did the job with me, and it was really fun. And but also it was she stayed in Montana for those first two weeks, so covering all the that that part of those episodes, and it was really nice because I just I got to talk to my mom about like my sister was a twin and we lost the twin and I say we.

But I mean your family. No, it's a family loss, and.

I think that, And it's so it's so strange because I, you know, those conversations. I never talked to my mom and had those conversations or like her miscarriages that she went through, And yeah, it just brought about such meaningful conversations and time with my mom. And I feel like she really took care of me when we were going through those scenes, and so it was really it's to have her there.

You got to take care of yourself.

I love hearing that you're taking the time to do that, though in an age when there's so much hustle, and especially with this industry, it feels like actors are just were all responsible for figuring out our next job with self promotion and instat Graham and all that. You know, everybody's hustling so hard with social media and trying to create your own projects and then trying to get attention

I also, I don't know if y'all have found this, but I also think that what's been really nice is you. I feel like you're seeing this change of of like the portrait of a what a mother looks like. I feel like I've seen that over the course of Yellowstone, of it being like a very idealistic portrayal of what she's supposed to be and then versus like, no, it can be and look really messy and you can.

Oh, the martyr thing is weird, Like everyone wants a mother to be a martyr, especially I've turned down scripts. There was a script that they wanted Jeffrey and I to play husband and wife and like the husband could be messy.

And the wife had to be this like super religious pta.

Like everything had to be so cookie cutter and like pristine. And I was like, this is gross, and the writer was like, well, I based it on my mother. And I'm like, I guarantee you you have no idea who your mother is.

You this is what you're writing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, chicks are messy, man.

It's important and it's important to represent that because it gives the woman at home freedom to not feel shame.

It's like, oh you feel normal.

Yeah, look at that pretty slutty girl from One Tree Hill. See she's mothering and she's doing a great job but also a disaster.

Look at that trajectory. I'm doing great. I mean, Hilary, you are like my role.

I'm basically trying to just be your life, like live on.

Join us, Join us on the commune.

Babe, one step away. I'm learning from you.

If anybody that tells me that I start studying them property listings, I'm just like, there is a place right around the corner from me for so right now, join us. No, what's nice about living out in the middle of nowhere is that you get to fuck up all the time and no one sees it.

Just keep it to yourself.

All right.

We have a fan question. This is from Rachel Okay. I have always wondered why the show brought in James Vanderbeek to play a hotshot director who is going to adapt Lucas's novel, but did not have him play Dawson Leary DAWs and literally did the same thing at the end of Dawson's Creek as a director. Is there a reason they couldn't cross over the character.

I don't know.

Did James just not want to play Dawson.

No, it's just a it's different ip, Like the creator of a show would typically get paid anytime that character is used somewhere, you know, And so I think they just changed the name but kept the character like exactly the same. Are we thinking that Dawson Leary became a total scumbag man.

I was gonna say, wait, Dawson turning into a cocaine sniffing chair jumping.

Yeah, that's what happened when Pascy, When Pacey won the Joey over Joey.

Dawson just lost it.

This is like us going to outer banks, like we'll have to change our neme.

We're all in witness protection.

But we should all be playing the same Montreo character.

Moss, who played Junk is the cop on that show, and we're like, that's just grown up junk.

That's oh my gosh. I know I watched.

She's like, I know, no, But I also think it was fun for James to get to play a heightened version he was. He was so earnest on Dawson's and so sincere and he had had some success in that show. What is what was that sitcom he did, The to Be or something? Yeah, I screwed that up, whatever that.

Was, But he had he.

Had done an episode of Criminal Minds where he played a total psycho, which was awesome, and he had done like this comedy stuff. And so it was in a period of time where he was getting attention for not being Dawson, and that was fun for him to come play with us kind of bridge those two things where it was a nod to what all the fans loved him for.

But then he did a lot of comedy for a long time after this.

When I left One Tree Hill, he and I tested for a multi cam together.

It was like Three's Company.

Oh fun.

It was a weird ampetition. It was fine, but yeah, the Beak's a funny dude. He's he's a good time.

Well, do we have an honorable mention?

Yeah?

What was your favorite thing in the episode, Kelsey?

Besides that orange shirt that I'm sure you kept, the mouth gifted you gosh.

Yeah, and this like the awkward post.

Yes, yes, I was just leaving like.

Oh I do I gotta work on my nudes.

That's probably why you liked Jim Nelson so much, because he's the guy that would like protect you and throw a blanket over you super fast.

Yes, I do remember in that part of and Gig two point zero, I remember him being very stepping in, being like super protective.

So yeah, maybe I know what my least divorite parts are, which were me on screen.

And also it's always nice to see h Robbie right, Robbie chimes.

Yeah, oh yeah, Quentin, Yeah, the Cape.

That was great.

I love watching him on screen. H you just I mean let alone the character itself, but you just like really root for him.

You should get him on Yellowstone. What's he doing right now?

Oh?

He's so good? What are you thinking?

Brook dancing?

Oho?

I think my honorable mention for this episode is the horror of growing up and looking at a past version of yourself and knowing how far you've come, Like for you to say how embarrassed you are to watch the gg stuff and for me to watch this stuff, like

God bless it, we.

All are glory.

I love that.

Well. Do you want to spin a wheel with us?

Kelsey?

We spin a virtual wheel and we pick like a most likely too, like you do in a yearbook, you know, Oh my goodness, oh god, yeah, and then we'll say who is most likely to whatever? And you have to pick a real life person from our cast or crew and then a character from the show.

So we have most likely to ghost someone after a date. So hold on, we have to pick who's our real life person to ghost someone after a date?

Date? Would you Hillary?

It's me and it guys.

I'm not gonna waste anyone's time, like and I did. Season six is the only time I dated on One Tree Hill, and I just remember a lot of one and Done's being like, Eh, we're gonne. I was.

I ghosted a lot. It was really immature of me.

And I found myself a couple of years ago having to apologize to certain people for ghosting them because I thought that was the mature move, and instead it was just like more awkward.

It's like you should have just not said anything.

Yeah, no, you did the right thing. It's still important to do the right thing.

But which character is going to go somebody after? I think Millie's going to ghost the shit out of Owen.

I don't know. I think she's gonna get clinging. Really yeah.

Wait. They don't become a thing, though, do they. I have no recollection.

I don't remember some stuff happens there. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember one of the episodes I directed.

But oh you directed, so you lived with you?

I vaguely remember, but I don't know exactly what it was.

They have like a thing after Yeah.

Oh no, that's terrible. God that darm.

G gg what'd you do?

I was such a virgin. I shouldn't have even messed up anything.

Yeah.

No, is Gigi the girl that like, once she gets him is like okay by Yeah.

She's oh sorry, did you want me to call you?

I didn't know my voice is so high.

Oh jesus, it's cute.

It's cute.

Wait, so is Gigi our long chase but short romance?

Yeah?

Expanded it?

Oh yeah, because she's started kind of clinging in the in the chase.

So mm hmmm. The once she gets them, it's over. Yeah, sorry mouth.

I think so well.

I love it.

Kelsey. I'm so glad that you came to hang out with us. Thank you for taking your dime, and you're showing us your beautiful face.

In your mind, Baby, you're gonna get Jey on a horse and then you're gonna come up here to the farm and we're gonna start we're gonna start searching for your property and it's gonna be great.

Okay, that sounds good. I'll see you in New York. Yeah, so nice, so so nice to see you.

We love you.

Thanks for joining us, guys.

Next week we have episode thirteen Things a Mama Don't Know?

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