It’s a Trap! • EP311

somewhere from one of our previous recordings. I can't do this straight faced. This was the first time I think we've actually looked at each other and gone, how are we going to make it through the rest of this? There are twenty more minutes of this. This was not a good episode, is in This was its episode three episode le okay, it's his return of the future, which we had kind of high hopes for. It sounds, you know,

futuristic and exciting. Was not. It was not exciting. There's going to be spacesuits and there were boards, and this episode was trash. The Ravens losing Street continues and Whitey forces the team to find another home. Jim in a incredibly tropy. I'm gonna make y'all play in a We're gonna have to work for it. Kids, clean this place until it shines like the top of the building. Nathan gets upseted Haley when Dan puts the idea in his

head that she's trying to trap him with that. Baby Brook finds an unlikely ally with her designs when she gets in Rogue Vogue. Ellian Peyton continue to bond best part of the episode. I wish the whole episode had just been you too. Um continue to bond over music, might together an album that will benefit charity, and finally Keith returns to tree Hill, but Dan gets in the way of his happily ever after with Karen his pinstripe suit. Guys, let's not talk about it. I don't want to talk

about it yet. I'm not going to talk about it. I still have that biold taste in my throat where I'm like, we have to talk about what we talked about last week? Um, can we just find out joys love life? Because that's all we talk about. The suitor whose instagram we did a deep dive into will never tell you who he is, but we know all we know. Oh my gosh, you know you know what, Like I spend a few days thinking like, did you know? Was

I for reacting? You know, like, no, I've had I've been in I've been in moods where I was just feeling happy and friendly and like, hey, you let's say, let's sit down have lunch. You seem nice and I'm nice, and let's have a chat. You know, we're both kind of new in town and let's just sit and chat. And then like as the lunch goes on, oh wow, I'm really attracted to this person. Maybe, so like I'm thinking, okay, I got maybe I could give him a little bit

of space for that felt unsure. Hillary is just shaking ahead. No, because we talked to our husband's. I did because because you know, there's going to be somebody who's like, god, you girls are so uptight. No, we're not. Because guess who else is mad about this? Our husbands. We gave we gave this thing the smell test to both Grant and Jeff, and they've got notes. They're very upset. They

both were like that's absolutely unacceptable. Yeah, it was like the first time we've gone to dinner was just the two of us, and we're like, we're not going to talk about the kids, you know. I was like, well, let me tell you about this joy. I laid it all out for him, and I was like, just out of curiosity, have you ever invited a strange woman to sit with you during lunch where you talk for hours and don't tell her about me? And he's like, uh no, first of a half, and you would destroy her. But

second of all, um, that's totally a date. That's a date. And he was offended and he was like, let me see the guy's Instagram. And we the Morgans, don't think he's attractive enough for all of that. I think we're gonna is what we're gonna do. Look, I'm just saying it was my type. If you walked into a room with cute boys and you know there was attractive men in there, that's probably the one you would have picked for me, Like tall lumberjackie, you know, like disheveled, smart,

like this is great dish. But but you were alright than that, a little less diss but truly, Like when I talked to Grant about it. He was like, listen, and we talked about this last week, Ladies, like, that's the kind of many I'm sorry. Grant's the kind of person who was like, he's he's sweet, open, see him like striking up a conversation with someone quite innocently and just you know, so I am actually interested to knowing,

particularly what he thinks too. Yeah. By the way, one of my favorite things about my husband, still not used to saying, it still feels really fun um is that literally like I can I can take him anywhere. We can lose each other at a party, and he's always having a great time. He's made a new friend, can't wait to talk to me about the person that he met and what we're gonna do, and we wind up

inviting people to dinner. I love that about him. His point was, look, it's great if you're social, but if you're hiding your life, she lied to her, That's what he said. He said that man lied to her. And when I said, yeah, you know, my feedback to Joy was you and Maria could have had new friends in town if you've known that this guy and his fiance had a farm, like y'all could have been family friends.

And Grant said, exactly, but he lied to her. When you leave out one of the most important facts of your life, you're lying and not only. Grant's point was that not only did this guy lie to you, but he lied about her. Yeah, and to do that to the person that you have pledged your life too is dark. I am this is why we're mad. And Grant was like, we need we need to introduce joy to someone. I'm

going to think about this because this is unacceptable. You guys know how sometimes like Entertainment Weekly or some of these news outlets will pick up things that we've talked about in the podcast and turn them into a news story. What are we gonna do when they take this the case of the lying farmer, and they turned into a story, And it's like, oh my god, Okay, well listen, if if we're if we're going to do what the tabloids would do for one more second, let me just follow

up that. In addition to y'all going through his Instagram, I showed it to Grant and then I said, and look, because if you scroll so far down and you find the only picture she's in, and then you go to her page, he goes, let me, guess he's in every photo and I said yes. So she tells the truth about her life and this man, this man is telling a lie about his life, and I don't like it.

And things are all very offensive, bad instincts, even on even on the most generous benefit of the doubt level, even there, and you go, Okay, he's just finding himself attracted and didn't expect to and doesn't know what to do. Listen, every time you have a choice to do the right thing or or be selfish, and those moments happen every day, all the time. You have a choice in that moment, and what you do with that choice is the measure of your character, That is who you are. That doesn't happen.

It doesn't happen in the charity cases that you show up to take care of. It doesn't happen in all the big grand gestures. It happens in those small moments when you have a split second choice and you have to do the right thing. And what I will say is, we're all human. It's impossible, infallible. Everyone has had low moments. Everyone has. You know, you think of your highest highs, you've got your lowest lows. You have things you regret. You have things about your past you wish you could change.

You have decisions you wish you could have made differently, but not to be you know, tropy and annoying. But at our age, come on, come on, we're even ten years ago. I could have gone you know what, Maybe he felt pressured and they got engaged and he's trying to get out and he saw you and he didn't want to chance get away and he's breaking up with her next week. No, at this point, absolutely, we are

so adult. And the fact that when you gave him the opportunity to tell the truth and say, I asked you to have lunch because you seem so nice, and then we got to talking and then suddenly I thought, oh, no, I've done this. I've done this thing. This feels like a date. I don't know how to tell her. I'm engaged. I'm embarrassed, and I should have just told you. I'm so mortified. If he said that maybe you could be friends.

Literally you could see him around town and meet us fiance at a coffee shop one day, and you all could become friends and laugh about it. But the way he reacted, well, if I had a dollar for every time a girl hit on me fired. The boys are on our side. I don't need girls. I don't need I don't need to please please whatever I need. I don't need you. I could ask you. I can get any girl I want. Like, he's not a twenty four

year old ding Dung. We are grown ups. And it was a follow up That's what really kicked me, because I was like, you know what, walking away from that lunch and being like, okay, you know what, you had a weird moment. It's selfish and rude, but okay, fine. It was the follow up two days later that was the real kicker. That's what it was. That I wasn't gonna say anything. I was like, I got to your number, but I'm just going to back off. I'm never gonna

talk to this guy again. It's fine because the fact that he that was That's why my immediate response was like, yeah, hey, hey, you engaged. Why are you talking to me? Why are you talking to me? Why are you still here? Why are you still here? To your storyline in the episode Joy, because Haley is not suffering any bulgeon. There we go, Hillary, Now look for real as we're talking about this, like Ding Jong boy, you know the world revolves around them.

The world revolves around their goals and their hopes and their dreams. Fantastic, congratulations Nathan, you're good at sports. This idea that like Haley's trying to trap him, his quickness to buy into Daddy's narrative, it's very uncle to me. And also that I could see it. I could see it because of because of the town history, because of Karen and Debb. That's what it feels like. Okay, maybe this is a thing women do. But we commented how

yelly this episode was. But perhaps my issue is more with the way it was scripted, where if you notice in this episode, everyone went from zero to a hundred very quickly, and and every scene was only like half a page long, so it's just these tiny vignettes of people screaming at each other. I don't want to do that. It was relax what's relaxed. What I'll say is that you're Your willingness to be vulnerable in real life is something that I really respect about you, and you've always

been that way. You've always been the one to be like, hey, I don't feel good, this doesn't feel nice. Can we talk about it? Even we were kids, you were the person that would be like, let's I don't feel nice, let's talk. Hailey does that in this episode where she's like, Okay, I understand that you're all whacked out right now, but this doesn't feel nice, So I'm not going to make

it better for you. It's not my job to fix this, which is so great after she's been groveling thank you that um and I thought for a second, I was like, is this a defense mechanism? Because now she got him back and now he's being weird again, and so instead of being worry, instead of turning it back around on herself, she's she's angry and like letting out all of her frustration that she's had pent up or is is this legitimate?

But it's legitimate. He's he's being irrational and crazy, and I think it's really important that line that she has been very willing to see his pain. She's been very willing to say I hurt you, and I know why you're struggling to trust me again. Haley and Lucas have

this interesting parallel with that a little bit. But Haley is being kind and Lucas is being the king of Mr Ex and and I like that in this moment, it's this goes past his feelings and into an accusation that while you can say, like I get that you have trauma because this is your dad's story, how dare you?

I love the way so much writing I could criticize in this episode, but that you were scripted to say some you know what what you said about being seventeen and having your own dreams and your own career goals. It's like this idea that women just trapped men with babies and you're like, hey, i'd have to carry it. I'd be a teen mom, I'd be giving up my future, Like this isn't some casual thing to me. And it was such a nice call out. Yeah, like it's not a small deal for a girl of any age to

get pregnant. Screw you, dude, Like I loved that that there was that Wherewithal it really is like who do you think you are? Who do you think I am? How stupid do you think I am? Yes? And I like desport for you do you think I am? Right? It's like I wanted you, I don't I don't need you, yea. And that goes into her being really clear about why she wasn't on birth control. She's like, I'm sorry, you're yelling at me. You left me, I was gone and I wasn't sleeping with that guy you thought I was

sleeping with. And by the way, you could have not been an idiot. At the end of the unprotected sex night, Sir, I really liked that. I really liked it. It takes to Nathan. I was like, yes, Haley, you're right, it sure does. Absolutely. Yeah, that's never happened to me before.

I mean, they are a children present, but that that moment of questioning, hey, hey you were you were taking care of that, right, because I didn't, like, I've I've never experienced that, like I'm sorry, excuse me, sorry, No, it's actually almost always their responsibility. But you know what I think is really interesting about that. This is one of the moments where I relish in our on screen friendship in the in the Halien Brooke of it, because

the girls are being the adults in the room. Yeah, we're having a conversation and I'm like, I love that you're back with your houseband. What I'm mad at you that you had unsafe sex and we have this like safe sex talk that is actually frank and and once we get into it, we ask each other questions and there's no judgment. There's like real encouragement of exploration of a relationship dynamic. And thank god we're getting it somewhere with our female friendships, because with the boys, we're just

being accused of ridiculous nous. It's totally ridiculous. Throw my hands up. I've had a great No, it's nice. It's nice to see that between us. I love our conversations.

I do love our conversations in this episode, and that the conversation that you guys had was so much better than the conversation that Luke and Nathan had because they essentially have the same conversation where he's like, and how to pregnancy skin get a man like, you know, and it's so just broade out and it doesn't get to any point of honesty where it's like, hey, it's on us to always have protection, it's on us to be

participants in this safe sex game. Like at no point did they hold each other accountable in the way that the girls do. The girls are having in this very adult conversation, the boys are like, do let anything in the way of basketball, man? I mean, while the girls are like, well, do you think in your subconscious mind you did really want to just launch back into your family? You know what? That's the way we are sports. I mean, I mean we buy the three of us. That's kind

of our game. Yeah, was there anything else? Do you mean? In this episode? Look? I really thought Karen and Keith was going to be something I'd be excited to see, but I just it was so clunky. It's like, you really didn't like it. Keith came home and his face was all shaved and he didn't have cyberns and also bandana. Where's this? I don't know if his boots were even

tucked into his jeans. Who is this man? It's like, you know, Craig came on our show and talked about the fight that he had with our bosses about how they wanted him to be super clean cut, and so they wrote him out of a whole bunch of episodes, and it felt like, Okay, well you're coming back, but you're coming back on our terms. And the way that we can show that Keith is a new man is by tidying him up in this like super clean cut way. Um, you're gonna play. But you're gonna play by our rules.

And it just felt like if Karen was going to have the hots for Keith, she wanted, you know, mechanic Keith, Keith with the floppy boots. That's the key. I will say I did like that scene for him, well for both of them really, when he fixed her car and she came out in that little dress and it was just sweet. I bet Andy could have a team of guys do this, and she just dropped the honesty on him. I traveled halfway around the world, but that's what happened,

was right here. When you're our age, When you're our age, there's no time. Why waste time? Why are we wasting time? Not just being a honest you know? I love that about about Karen. Ya got the memo we're too old for We're too old for this. I do like though that as much as they made him clean up, Craig was like, I'm keeping this bandana and like the gred one was there. It was the picture of Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA cover with the jeans and the

red handkerchief was silent rebellion. Just like they can't win all the way. I'm gonna let them win a little, but they're not going to win all the way. It's right that, I will say truly. For as much weird energy as there was in this episode, and and as clunky as the scenes felt, and as much as I hated that they wrote Lucas to still be misdirecting book and then to tease her about sex and that like he's not in love and then he's like just kidding him in love with you, the highlight for me was

Peyton and Ellie. I wanted the whole episode to be you and your mom on a road trip meeting with bands and having her It was like she was building the yellow brick road for you, like you she right. You see her teaching Peyton all the cool like rock and roll world band manager tricks, and as a viewer, I could see, not just for her, how refreshing it is that Peyton's in a moment of joy, but I, as Sophia could see you as Hillary having fun and it's so funny you have fun. That was It was

a big change. I kept thinking, I was like, what is it about? I mean, you're beautiful no matter what, but there was there was a different light about you in this episode. And your hair was done a little differently, and your skin looked really glowy, and your makeup was lovely. But it was that you were happy, and it was so nice to just see Peyton being happy. I felt like very protected in my storyline with Cheryl. I wasn't

being asked to do anything compromising. I wasn't having to kiss any of the boys on the show, which isn't like an awful thing, but it is, you know, it's weird. I was just asked to connect with someone who I really really really liked, and it felt so fun and

so safe. And in that scene where she's telling me about the day that Peyton was born, like I found myself as Hilary just like hungry for that, Like I wanted to know every minute of that experience and then what and then what and then what and and yeah, I think, um, I don't know watching her, m hm, she's so glittery and like when she throws her hands up in the air when the band like agrees to everything,

she lights up. I just I'm so enamored with this person um in front of the camera and you know, like off screen that Yeah, I would can sign me up for anything, sure, really ever does ever, like she's just a magic person. Our editors also did such a beautiful job because when you guys have that conversation, you say not a surface in and she throws her arms up right when her hands get all the way out stretched as one always love kicks in. You always notice

the music cues. Look at you, it's happening again and no I'm not okay. It made me cry and I'm crying again, Like it was such a moment and I was like, oh god, it was beautiful between the two that you know is look at you. So I just wish more fill storytelling was about those relationships. There's so much emphasis put on boyfriend's boyfriend's boyfriends or girlfriend's friends, look whatever, and I get it, like I was the

kid who was loved crazy forever. Um. But I also have like a like a family thing where I like stories about families because I I'm not necessarily good at that all the time, and so I like watching it. I like those narratives because they helped me understand like what I'm doing wrong or what I can do better, or what maybe things should look like. You know. Um, and Ellie is just you know, one of those little

magical bubbles that we got to play in. I also think that having more examples set can be really helpful, not just for us you know now watching families learning that kind of stuff in terms of how to navigate it, like you're saying, but as a young person, I think sometimes the reason that young love can feel so all consuming or or life shattering when it ends is because we have so many shows like this that just focus on who are you in love with and who as

you and that's the most important thing, as though that's it, and then you think, well, this is all I'm supposed to be thinking about. And when we watch episodes where we have a really good balance of these young kids finding themselves, finding themselves in their families, um figuring out how to excel in school, find out what they're passionate about.

In addition to yes, the you know, the beautiful fragment of life that is finding love, it feels more balanced, it's more enjoyable, and then things become less repetitive and trophy like. If we do too much relationship drama, it gets annoying and it's like we've seen it a hundred times. If all Dan Scott has is to be the evil mustache guy. We're like, oh my god, they've made him do the same thing for five episodes. We get annoyed

with it. I like a balance better, and I think it's why it's so refreshing having Peyton and Ellie having this beautiful storyline, because it adds something to our show. It makes it better. Well, I miss, because I think that's a great point. I am just as excited to watch Haley fall in love with music and Broke fall in love with her fashion line as I am to

see them fall in love with Luke and Nathan. Like cool, great, it's the it's the magic of the potential and the unknown and the excitement, you know, Like that's riveting to watch. And the reason this episode fell so flat is that we know all that content is there, and right now it's just like boys, boys, boys, boys boys. These boys are tough to deal with, you know, and Luca is being all, you know, misdirect and Nathan's picking fights to pick fights and repeating a cycle that is frankly boring

at this point. It's boring to watch. That's what we said. We all were just like, I'm so bored. The cycle is boring. Dan Scott showing up with no redeeming qualities is boring. And sometimes what happens is when you have different writers on every episode. What I found with my character is that every single writer, every single visiting director, wanted that moment of Peyton crying, right, and so you just end up doing that one thing over and over again.

And I think that's what's happened with Dan. Everybody wants to have the Dan moment, and it's just like, guys, we've done it for three seasons, Like, show Dan doing something king adorable? What if Dan saved a baby? What if there was a baby character roll down the street and then the baby you know, yeah, and then Devin Karen could have a great joke about of course he did you know? There could be a moment? Yes, yes,

I uh. I just think sometimes that's a it's a pitfall of a writer's room where you've got different writers on every episode because everyone's working kind of in a bubble, and it's hard to know, like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? All right, Well, I won't make Dan crazy in this episode. I'll actually make him really likable so that it packs a punch

in your episode. I also think sometimes on a show with a cast of this size, people will get really focused on the thing that needs to happen, Like they want Nathan and Haley to have this big fight because

is Nathan going to become Dan? And then because that's such a focus, they'll get lazy with Dan or you know, they want there to be this push and pull with Brooke, and somebody says, well, Lucas should tease Brooke with these mister acts where he says something that makes her feel real bad about herself, and then he'll be like, I'm kidding, your my favorite person. I'm obsessed with you, and it's

like a throwaway comment. But then two writers on two different episodes here and they each do it in their episode three times. So then you're like, well, I hate this. Instead of it being impactful, I hate it. So I wonder how many moments we had like that, what if Dan was like a really good mayor what if Dan was doing in the town that we're actually wonderful and then it was juxtaposed by this behind closed doors stuff, But instead it's just all slimy. Yeah, it's it's a weird.

I mean, we and you know, we had twenty two episodes, sometimes twenty four. I think, god, um, but it's funny now when you look at how it's uh. TV shows are twelve to thirteen episodes, you know at max sixteen, but that's pretty rare um and they usually take a long time to draw out a storyline over that period of time. We had twenty two episodes. I don't know why. I guess it just wasn't the thing to do. It wasn't popular back then. We always thought we might be canceled.

So they were just like, we gotta always wrap everything up so bad well, And I think that's a big part of it too, is when you have that many episodes, things do become repetitive because it's so much time to fill. Yeah, but they can do it like it's an hour. I mean we can always flash back to death at the fire, Oh my god, were seeing with her and Keith? Or it was shot all shaky like we're watching twenty four or whatever was an episode of Intervention. I was like,

what is this? Like, what person is in the bed with these two? It was very it was a very disjointed episdisode. But I will say talking about it for the last thirty two minutes. I realized there were more highlights than we thought because we really were bored the whole time. Okay, who else? What else happened in this episode? Rachel? Rachel admitted designs. I liked that that was redeeming moment. Although she had an event, she had an alternator motive.

This is the thing. We were getting to the end of that scene, and I'm watching me and Daniel be in these real cute little rivals who are deeply obsessed with each other and mad about it. Like I'm a big Rachel fan, guys, and I was like, man, look at starting. We're cute. And then I walk away from her and she goes, no, thank you, and I was like, wait, what evil thing did she have planned? Dear, I genuinely

don't remember. Don't either. I think that Rachel loves you, like I honestly think, because I remember being in high school and not necessarily like wanting to go out with a girl, but I remember there were girls that I was like, I can't stop thinking about this, like this

chick is just in my brain. In my brain, Rachel's got a thing where she's fixated on Brooke, and she's like, I'm either going to win this girl over or I'm going to destroy her, or I'm going to win over her and I'm gonna win over her by destroying her and then make her my pet. You know, like there's there's just like kind of this sexy power thing going on between two of you that Yeah, I like it for sure, And I couldn't help being amused by Danielle. And you can see it on my face. You're not

winnissed off. You're like when she admits it and I have this like I try to talk and I get stuck moment and I'm like, oh no, that's that's real. Yeah, it's You're not really mad. You're trying to put the puzzle piece together, and honestly, I think you you should just kiss. Like you guys are super freaking cute. There's a way, like eventually you guys start mirroring each other and the way you wear your hair and the way you it's so cute. You guys become roommates. I missed,

Yes that happened. Oh my god, joy. This is why I'm like, what evil thing does she does? Because I know what's coming, but obviously not that well, it's this show we're being made today. Brooke and Rachel would have gotten a kiss, and I would have liked that. You know who else Brook really likes in this episode, Uncle Keith coming back. I ran and jumped into his arms, like launching herself at Superman. Oh god, Sophia, when you was like, oh my god, but your body like blocks

who you're running up to go see? So I had because I was I really missed Craig. I don't know what else to say. Craig. It was great that she was back. Should the pole be? Should Brooke have been that excited to see Uncle Keith? Should she? I liked it. I liked what you said Hill that that that's what you do. It's like a cute young girl thing to do. And you know, I still do it like I want to care about the things that you care about. I'm gonna show that I care. It's a good girlfriend. Oh

my god, this is my boyfriend's favorite. And plus we all really missed Craig. Yeah, we missed him a lot, we did. Yeah. I also like that Craig. Craig was given these jokes once once I say, you know, I'll go sleep on my couch. You guys have time to catch up. And Craig and Lucas leave together. He at the Fountain had jokes two insinuate that we knew how ridiculous the fire storyline was, and I liked that the

writers did that. Yeah, I like that they had him poke fun at a pretty major jumping of the shark that we did on our episode. It made me laugh. Ye well, because it's just it doesn't feel like part of our show. It's still doesn't like it's so out of left field, like someone tried to murder Dan and then he won the mayoral election. Like it's all just so extra and there's no and Dan's still showing up

at like random gym's. He's everywhere. And I like the new gym because I think one of the problems our show gets into is that it's the success curse. If every kid on the show is like the best at something, and everyone's successful at everything and everything shiny and winning, it loses its relatability with our audience. And so so taking the kids out of the fancy gym and putting them in a gym that actually looks more like some of the schools. You know that I grew up around

the schools I grew up around. We're all built like in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. You know, there was nothing that was shiny and happy. Um. And so remember that Jim that was out where was that that was out of something? For the reason that we got kicked to that gym is that it was actually basketball season for the real high school, and like we just couldn't film there anymore. We got to find an alternate place. For years, they said they were just going to build

a court on the stage, right. I don't know why they didn't because because they kept threatening to cancel us. That's why. I mean, it's great. It brought in revenue for the city, um, and for the schools. I'm sure, so that's always a good thing. Yea. But yeah, I agree with you. I think we needed to we need to bring it back down to earth a little bit. It was it was becoming a lot dynasty. We had to get into Whitey's crap hole. Oh god, what did he say, scrawl out of my crap hole? What did

lion get out of my crap hole? Danny and I was like, did anybody think about what it sounded like when they put it on a page? Berry committed man Berry committed and you could see how amused he was by it, a little twinkle in his eye. Oh my god. Well, guys, we have we have managed to fill up thirty five

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I was like, okay, yeah, these are great questions. It's hard on behalf of the fandom, y'all de greet, but it was. It was awesome. So thank you all just for the opportunity. I appreciate it. Yeah. Have you ever been to Wilmington's before? Never? And it's so funny because my sister and I we have been talking about it.

You're like, we have to get down there. She she's my who I watched with and we listened together, and so it was y'all announced the podcast or announced the Scavenger Hunt the day before her eighteenth birthday, and so we were like if it's miss if he is meant to be, so she's gonna go this swome sweet. So wait, wait, what are you the most excited to see? Because it's going to be your first time? So do you have a list of where you all want to go? So yes,

we have. We have of course all the landmark places and then like we were avid listeners to the podcast and so we've been like taking notes on where you all say, and like we're really excited to eat of course, and so so we're, um, yeah, we we have a little list, but of course you want all of y'all's recommendations all over again. And we definitely said we wanted

to go to resays. We definitely said that we wanted to go, um just all the trademarks, all the houses we were talking about, all the little trinkets that we're going to pick up where the people. So we're like, okay, yeah, we'll find some cute stuff, Sody, Okay, So what are our top recommendations we're gonna send you. We're gonna set you up please, yes, because we can this a lot. Everyone's like, I'm going to I've got forty eight hours. What do I do? We all know my first two.

You have to go to get tacos at Tower seven at Beach. It's just so good and it's also local. That is so such a standard staple Wilmington's thing to do. Yeah, yeah, it's it's such a good vibe and it's fun because whether you go for lunch or dinner, you can go for a walk on the beach. There's like, there's so

many just cute things to see out at Writsville. And then you've got to go when you do the downtown, like the waterfront where Nathan gives Hayley her charm bracelet, and where are you know all of our little stores where our record shop was. You have to go to kill Ones for ice cream. My personal favorite is a Chilcot chip cookie. Though I don't know what you're jam is, but if you get it, get it in a waffle cone,

you're welcome. I love the Catalan. I always used to go there and just because you could always get a great glass of wine and you just sit on the on the water. Um. So it depends on what time of when are you going. Do you know still open Oh my gosh, I don't know, is it I don't know, open the River Walk is open for sure, Okay, So we're still talking about it. We haven't decided on the date. So we've been working with your team and they've been amazing.

Just they are. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah because they saw my original freak out, so shout out to them. And so, um, we were talking about maybe going. So my little sister, she is starting college, so I'm trying to work around her schedule too, so this would be the pr freshman year, so we're thinking either Labor day or right before she leaves. She's in like two

three weeks. Okay, great labor days, great weather, it'll probably good still on the water, and it'll be, my god, than a labor days before hurricane season, which we learned the hard way filming. Yeah, okay, but Joy's to Joy's point, like glasses of wine on the Riverwalk are kind of yeah. So and then and then Brasserie do so that's still open. I hope just go get their steak freights and uh and then mac and Cheese comes in that little tin that they bake until crispy on the top. You can't

touch it. Yeah, antique shopping. You haven't mentioned it before, Okay, Jess Jess James Vintage has always has great stuff. She curates herself and it's really interesting things. And Castle Street has quite a few anti Castle. Um. I want to say it's like below eighth, so like everything kind of below eighth on Castle Street is an antique emporeum and there there's just little tiny shops all over the place. Some of them you walk in and you think it's

a little shop and then it goes on forever. But then there's also the Ivy Cottage going to take Cottage. Yeah. I spent a lot of time in there. Yeah. Joy. We did some damage in there. We did our houses were just like out of control. I bought a carousel horse. What do you want from me? Dollars? How could I not?

It was a steel Yeah? Yeah, Amanda, So can you tell us a little bit about your history with One Tree Hill and which is I would love to know when you started watching and um yeah, just tell me more, okay, yes, So um, I was a part of the Netflix generation of um One Tree Hill fandom. Ye. I watched for the first time my sophomore year of college, so in

and became obsessed immediately. So it was um. We quickly became like a comfort show, and so I rewatched it right after graduation when I moved to Dallas for my first big girl job. It was my go to show and then the same thing that just when everything happened. And then it's also been a really big bridge for my sister and I. So he is eight years younger than me, and it was the first show where you we ever got to like talk about it, like she

had very strong oppea. You know, when you're eight years apart, I think when you're growing up, it feels like I gotta be your mom, but really in reality that's not true at all, but it's like, um, you have to be the grown up. Yeah. Yeah, that was our relationship until we started talking about the show. And it was right at a peak time where like middle school and right before she started high school, and so she's talking about boys and like just messy things that are happening.

So that's kind of like our bridge. And then when Drama Queens came out, we both were like, we have this, Like this is that we have good and so that's that's what we've been doing. And it's so funny because she's like for both of us listening to y'all is like being also at the big kids tables always also like y'all are like our big sisters too. Oh did

you hear that a piece of advice? You should probably use that And I'm like, so we kind of go back and forth on that, but yes, so it's it's just kind of come full circle and we've had really good conversations. I think what y'all are doing is so amazing and how you're doing it because there are a lot of different podcasts and things out there, but I think you are very honest and it's transparent because we've had conversations even uh, I think you can. You can.

You'll talk a lot about duality and how two things can meet. True you can love something and still critique it, because we had that same conversation about One Tree Hills, like, Okay, we love this show, right, but I watched from a different lens and what it was, girl, I understand what you do. It's like, oh my god, at least they

think the same thing that I did. And even like I think we you can love the show and still critique it in the way of like, is it okay to love a show that you don't necessarily see yourself representative. I think we talked about that. Y'all have talked about that too. I'm saying where it's like, I think diversity and inclusion was different. You can probably count on your fingers how many Black women are presented in Once You Heal, especially with lines. But I still love this show, and

is that okay? Like you know what I mean. So we've we've had conversations like that, and so with y'all critiquing it and seeing it, and that gave me permission to be like, Okay, I still love this show and I can still say how I feel but still be a part of a fandom. You know, human, our hearts

all believe for a lot of the same stuff. You know, I know, no matter what background do you come from, the story resonates the stories of teenage love and can fusion about you know, your family and struggling through friendships. These are all very real, raw things for anyone um in our in our age bracket, I mean, for anyone

in high school like going through that stuff. I'm just so your sister's strong opinions are I need to get okay, okay, because because we're you know, and so you're talking about Lens I'm dying to know what an eighteen year old critique of the show is, Like, this is exciting for me. Okay, so her, you can kill me. So her, the biggest thing has always been we want to Haley to stay on tour. A little longer realized she has to go.

She has to follow her dreams where we're talking about, and she was like, yes, of course, Like their conversation should have been different and she should have taught him not come. But she's an She's going be an icon. Like, So that was our conversation because and I think maybe it's just because we are we pride ourselves and like I just want to go after it, like you know, like that's how we are. That was how we were seeing and she's so talented. That was probably our strongest takeaway.

And um so yeah, so that those are her big, big, huge opinion. She's always been team the Sisterhood, so I think, oh, is it sister Yes. So it's like in season five, she just like we needed to see we needed to see Brooke and um in Peyton come when Nanny Carey was tripping, Like why didn't they they would have been there? So yeah, right, we've already proven we can fight like we have so many times throughout after her Davis will slap somebody she should have slapped Nanny Carey. So yeah,

so we because we to binge it all. I couldn't imagine if I was waiting week to week, I would have been freaking out. So it's a different time, babe. You had to like wait and then we'd have our mid season breaks and you'd have to wait like three months,

like it was crazy. That's what makes the bad episode so much worse is that you know people Saturay and the whole week and then they like sat up in front of their TV with their popcorn or their dinner and it gets on click, and then they had to suffer through an hour of terrible writing if it was a bad episode. Yes, And even when you were talking about like those cliffhangers, I think I think it. I don't remember who it was when y'all called Diana Iceberg

like from Tana you know? Yes? So do you have a favorite episode of Drama Queens or of One Tree? Hi? Okay, um, my favorite episode? So I don't know. People ask us that question all the time, and I'm like, is just how do you just pick so I am. I'm actually a I'm a huge fan of season three and six. Those are my favorite. Three is great. Three is so good, except for episode we watched. Oh my god, did you

watch episode eleven yet because it's grim? Yeah I did, Yeah, we know, Amanda, we just watched it and we were like, what how is twelve better? So just get to thirteen hanging there and we you we love it at thirteen great, good, perfect, That's what I'm saying about. That's that's where everything is safe again. That's going to be the title of that episode, by the way. That's what we'll do where everything everything is safe. Everything say said, so please you'll you'll be

We'll be good. We'll get back the ball. The ball gets rolling again. And that's what That's what I love about yours podcast, though, is like you can say it and I know, I know. It just looks different all the time. So kudos to you again. You'll handle things. Is such a good grace because I wanted to get in come. It's like, wait a minute, hanging they have the opportunity to say if they don't like it, it's okay, guys, but it is always combative with something better coming down.

The line, so yeah, just hanging there, Thank you, thank you. If you had to do a tour of Wilmington's with one character from the show, who would you know? And you're being here used to think, we're not going to put you on the spot, none of us. Someone other than us there give you. If you had to go out with someone other than the drama queens, who would you cruise around? In the comment like is that also? In the comment? Okay, yes, let this for me. I want to steal that one so hard. I don't know.

So I'm torn between Lee Norris or Oh a day with more more Rack Kelly would be iconic, though Okay I can't. I can't thick Well, can I pick those two? I can both? In the comment start your day with Moira Kelly, have a fabulous brunch walk and then you hit those bars with Lee Norris. You have never lived until you have danced with Leonora's. It's really true. Let me tell you something. He got on the dance floor at my wedding and it was his wedding. People were like,

oh my god, Leonor's. I was like, I know, everyone just put your bodies around his body. It was It was iconic. Please tell me, y'all did the Yang Twins? Please did? Okay? So here's what I need you to know is Leon Norris and I actually have two songs and three six nine is our first song. But Lee's favorite song in the world is I Want to Dance

with Somebody by Whitney. He's telling and I was so excited when that song came on and he looked at me and I just went, I did this for you, and we ran towards each other on the dance floor. And what almost nobody knows is that since the iPhone came out when we were I don't know, twenty three or twenty four, so this is like over fifteen years now. Um, any time either Lee or I is in a place where that song comes on, we send each other a

video of one of us singing it. So like in our in our text thread, we just have like years of being like, nobody can sing to Winney Houston. By the way, so these videos are horrible and they can never see the light of day. But we shouldn't hile those, Sophia, this sounds truly. I will. I will protect our secrets to the day I die. But um, I will say that as we're telling the story. I must concur with Hillary. You have to enture tour with Lee Norris. It's just

it's a fact. If you can hit a karaoke spot in Felming, like your late night options are yep, karaoke spot right either at Level five or Yosaki or there's some other places that are doing it now, Level five five. If they have a comedy show, go see it. Yeah, go see a play at Balien Hall too, by the way, gorgeous. Yeah, they might have a good show on now. I don't know what the plan, but I also would be negligent if I did not tell you to go on a ghost tour because listen, I spoke to my old neighbor,

uh George. His name was George, and we spoke recently on the phone and I was like, oh my god, what's going on? How's the neighborhood? And he's like, we got these tours coming by your house all the time. Because I lived in a haunted house downtown and the tours. I think my house might be on the ghost tour now, which should be talked enough about. You have the ghost tour is a weird way to spend the night. And if you're taking your eighteen year old sister and you

can't take her into bars. That's like a great option that you guys can just get a great lay of the land in Wilmington and you can see all of these like old houses close up, all the like monuments close up. They'll show you where some of the other cool stuff that filmed in town is. There's the Carolina

Apartments where they film Blue Velvet Um. There's the on the corner from where I lived is where Outcast filmed Idle while and I just got to sit across the street while Big Boy and I drink and across the street and I was ard um. So yeah, go on these walking doors. They're very cool. Make sure you ask them to take you by the old haunted dentist's house. That sounds it's truly like it's the darkest, wildest story.

But whoever's leading the ghost tour will be like, oh, she knows what's up that that's the way to get some points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do too. Go play ski ball in Blue Post. You have to post. Oh if you go to Blue Post, will you please let us know if our little placards from completing the beer list around the When you're done with all this, we want to we want to see photos. Yes, we need to take over our Instagram while you're there. We

that's a great idea. Hillary should cry, Oh my god. Okay, so you're gonna create content that is going to be our Instagram during take over drama quis gonna be exciting if it's if it's not too much pressure. We want you to enjoy your trip, so you know, yeah, I mean, you don't have to, like work, but you could. You could just take us along. Yeah, we want to see what you're seeing and make sure you go and visit

our friend Jesse at Edge of Urge. Yeah yeah, yeah, she made a lot of our clothes back then, and yeah it still does a lot of cool stuff from Haley's bra the first time Haley and Nathan uh spend then, okay, joy you with is the name of the hall so we can go see plays? What did you say? Yeah? T h A l I A Nien Hall. It's okay. Diligent notes here. Yeah, you're gonna have to ride drama. Queen's guide to will Me to North Carolina's right, So listen, do you have any questions for us before we you know,

let you go on your adventure. But I'm sorry, you know I do have a couple yes, hold on, sorry the notes at wait, what do you do for a living? I love how organized you are. I know we'll not saying the mess when bra asked, way more time doing this than working today, So that's but I actually work for Microsoft currently in the trade on one of their account managers, so I work with their health and life sciences, different with hospitals and stuff. You're grown up, You're organized, amazing. No,

it's all written. No, but I think that perfectly like kind of goes into our My first question, I guess. So I'm turning six, and I would what I always say about the podcast is nobody really gives you permission anymore to be messy. I think with our our generation, because we have social media and we have all of these things, we um, we're told to be a lot more careful, I guess than other generations before us, just because it can be documented and anybody can see it

and can follow you forever. And so I guess one of the things that I love about once you're healing, one of the things I always see is one of the biggest takeaways is the talks about forgiveness and the art of forgiveness and how that's kind of we're woven into right now. You're nager and you're messy, and you're in your early twenties and you're messy. Have y'all noticed

any similar things so far? Of like that forgiveness that heroes journey, that rekindling of different pieces like what has been your biggest being takeaway just up into the season three to show around, oh the show of what you're talking about. Mm hmmm. It is a theme that runs through. I mean, Nathan and Haley have to find forgiveness for each other and and being and hurting each other and

being messy. But that's really what forgiveness is for. It's not because, I mean, in my opinion, it's not for like because you're expected to be perfect. It's because you can't be perfect, and you are going to hurt someone in the process of living your life and just trying to figure out all of the important foundational questions of life that we all as humans inevitably ask ourselves and

each other. You're going to hurt yourself and hurt each other, and so that's what forgiveness is for and so it's good to put it into practice. Um. And so yeah, I mean I see that a lot with Nathan and Haley, which is a great Their marriage is a great example of that because in marriage you you are messy and you are going to hurt each other, and so you have to be able to learn how to have that forgiveness in that context. So that's what I mean. I

guess that's been mine. But also because I was close to that storyline, you know, being in it, and all I shoulder that bear, I think, Um, for me watching the show back, the forgiveness is the forgiveness of oneself. You know, Payton beats herself up about everything, and I personally beat myself up about everything. And this idea that well, when I'm older, I won't do that anymore. When I'm older, I won't make mistakes anymore. When I'm older, I'll know better.

He's bush. It's total bulls because what we've figured out is that in our brains, we're all seventeen years old forever. It doesn't matter if you're You're seventeen in your brain forever. So the quicker you can learn to forgive the kid in you, the young adult and you the parent in you. That's the phase we're in right now, the partner in you. Um, you will be better at all of those things because you won't be doing that internal you know, turmoil, the

internal forgiveness. Just be nice to the little kid in you. That's the thing. You're always talking to the little kid. Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. I think watching this so far, one of the things that I find really interesting about Brooks journey is similarly to what you're saying, Hilary. She

has to learn to be nicer to herself. She to learn to believe in herself and realize that she's worthy, to be able to forgive people, and to be able to set healthy boundaries for herself, because when she doesn't carry herself in worth, people treat her poorly. And the more she steps into her own power, the more she's able to be vulnerable, to admit how she feels, and to grow. And I think that that was certainly my journey through my twenties. I mean, it's still a journey now.

But then I was so nervous to make a mistake that I was too scared to ever ask for help, that I just walked around feeling so terrified all the time and being sure that I was the screw up. And it wasn't until I was like, hold on, all these people who I love that are awesome tell me I'm awesome, and I know I'm telling the truth that they're awesome, and I don't think they're liars, which must mean when they say I'm awesome, I am awesome. You're awesome, And like, it took me a while to be like,

I'm cool. I'm not perfect, but like I'm a pretty nice person, and life got easier after that. So I do really wish, you know, like you said, Amanda, I wish that people would teach us to be a little gentler with ourselves and to to feel okay admitting how we feel or what we're nervous about or what we might need help with. Because the more we can be an honest and supportive community, the better our lives are.

I mean, that's that's why we do this show. We're just like, we just want to be together all the time. How do we do that? I love it? You guys, are you know what? That's so true that forgiving of yourself that's one of the hardest things to do and it's extra hard to when you you are carrying. It's hard to forgive yourself if you don't know how to forgive other people to which is I think kind of what you're saying. Hell, that's like you're so hard on

yourself and Peyton beats herself up. And but then we carry that in that expectation of well, if if I can handle A, B and C, then other people should be able to too, And then it's harder to forgive other people. I mean, I just you know, speaking of the topic of forgiveness, I just saw play Um a couple of weeks ago, based on the Hiding Place. Did

you guys ever read that story about Carryton Boom. She was a Polish girl in Um the nineties and her family was hiding Jews in their home and uh, one of the soldiers her father was a watchmaker, and one of the soldiers came to work before he was sorry, this is kind of backwards. Before he was a soldier, he was a german Man and her father was very like, I don't discriminate against against anyone. Do German, whoever you are. If you want to work for me, you can work

for me. So this Jewish sorry, this German man comes in works for them as an apprentice. He's very um, unlikable the whole time, Leaves, becomes a Nazi soldier, gives their family away. They all go off to concentration camps. And her sister, who she's very very very close with and is like the joy in the light. And Corey is the one who's like, I hate there's maball and her sister is the one who's just like, it's okay, just God wants us to love everyone. Let's just share

love and be love and forgive. And you know, they don't know, and um, sorry, they're telling me to speed it, speed it up. I'm speeding. I'm sorry. But it's beautiful. It's this amazing, mind blowing story because in the end, it's all it's all over. The war is over, um, and they're all just living in the aftermath and this and Corey's sister has died in the concentration camp and

so she's carrying all this anger. And as she uh is walking through a train station one day, she runs into this former soldier who sent her to the camp and who was the cause the story, and he was the cause of her sister. Your's death, and he stops her and he says, I know, I know what I did. I I'm so sorry. I've had an awakening in life. And um, I don't know any other way to apologize except to say that I'm so sorry and can you

ever forgive me? And there's this beautiful moment she just stands at him and stares at him, and finally um embraces him, and that's it. And then just it's like that's it. We're walking away and we're done, and this moment like and there's a quote in the play that's forgiveness is scandalous. It's not something that's easily given. And that's why it's so meaningful, because it's not something that you can just right off and be like, yeah, I

forgive you, it's easy. It's it's outrageous, it's scandalous. Could you? But you know, like in this recognition that we're all human, we're all susceptible of all different kinds of things, we're all capable of all kinds of things put in the right scenario or the wrong scenario, the right conditioning or the wrong conditioning, and so um, anyway that that level of forgiveness and humanity is a theme that I love,

and I'm so happy that you brought up. Sorry, I didn't mean to go so far off the rail thinking about like forgiving yourself for the things that you do, and like when we forgive other people, how much more that opens up for us to be able to forgive ourselves. So alright, so you can kiss your best friend's boyfriend twice and then she can be the best I can always count out. Remember a segue, Hillary, thank you bess.

If you're going to be a awful person, it's got to come full circle and you've got to be There is no there is no better breaker for levity than than our sister Hillary. Truly, it's like it's such about I'm amazed by you. Oh my gosh. Sorry, man, do you have any other questions? I'm sorry, I am no. That's actually perfect. I know. I think y'all have talked about this before because it all kind of like leaves

together in this really weird way. But I think y'all drama Queens has been such a big part of Like another theme is like that rekindling within sisterhood and within friendships and things like that, and so to your to the points that all of you made and forgiving yourself and forgiving yourself your sister, and giving your significant other. I think a lot of times you hear the stories of like, oh sticks stick by your man, Like a lot of people say things like that, but sometimes we

throw our friendships away. So I know y'all have talked a lot about kind of how y'all swam that together. What kind of advice would you give for young women are like girls and women who are looking to reveald lost friendships or like they lost kind of that connection and similar to how you all did, Like we were away for a minute, but back stronger than ever. What did that first step look like? Yeah, honestly, you can't

dictate who your friend will grow into. Okay, because let's say your friends from high school, you know, you meet when you're fifteen years old. You have no control over the person your friend is going to be, you know, um, And so it is loving the growth in your people is really important because we all started off You look at Sophia, Joy and I were all essentially the same person. We all grew up really really fast. We're all pretty a d D. You know, we're all like spinning plates

and hyper in a very similar way. And so we all started off at the beginning of season one level playing field, and then because of all the variables that were thrown at us, we all kind of found different paths. Some of us hung out more with the crew, sung up, some of us isolated ourselves more, some of us hung out more with the cast, you know, and we picked different paths. And it's choosing to appreciate that in your friendships.

Appreciate the differences, Appreciate the growth as opposed to being threatened by it or being like, no, we were supposed to be on this road together. You know you're not doing it right. Um. Appreciate those turns because eventually your paths will meet up again, and then you'll have great stories to tell each other and they'll be able to take you over onto their path, you know, which is exciting. It's been fun to like travel the roads that you

guys talk because I took a very different road. Yeah. I think it's also really important, you know that idea to to use your road metaphor. You can't assume how someone ends up on a road. It took us until we'd had some distance to say I was actually really scared, So like I'd go over there and then you know, two of us to go, wait, what you were like? I always thought you were so tough. You have to realize that feelings aren't facts, and that very often the

stories that we tell ourselves aren't true. They're based on the limited information that we have. And the the advice that I would give to any group of friends is remember you're all on the same team, and if something gets weird like this is the moral of my marriage, this is the moral of my friendships. If something gets energetically weird, it's me and you against the problem. It is never me and you against each other. And that's something we all had to learn. We did not have

adults modeling that for us. And it's part of the reason that it feels really important for us to talk to you all about all of our experiences and how we grew and what therapy worked, and what weird outward bound work like whatever we did. You know, get your girls on a zip line man problem that honestly, yes, But but truthfully, you know, you've got to be able to come in and say I feel this and be honest enough to say I don't know if this is really happening. I don't know if you're mad at me.

I don't know if I'm being left out. I don't know if you know I did something to hurt you. But I feel weird. Will you tell me if I'm nuts or if I'm tapped into something? Is there something we need to talk about? And it could be any version of that, but I think it takes a courage to talk to your people and to just say, oh, man, like this is my stuff. I did that with Hillary

last week. We were laughing about something and I said, dude, I still have twenty two year old me brain where sometimes my brain says like X, Y and Z to me and she was like, you're insane. I was like, I know, but the kid and what you're but you have to be able to just do it together. Sorry. No, The key to what you're saying and to your question Amanda about the first steps is humility? Really is the is that's the first step. You have to be humble enough to be vulnerable and to ask and to say

the thing. You have to be willing to just Okay, I'm no better than nobody else. I'm you know, Sorry that was a bad sentence, but you know what I mean. She's no better than nobody else. I know better than nobody else to right, listen, I would love for our podcast to help female friendships if that is part of what we're building off. And you know, it's interesting, Like Amanda you said it, there's a lot of There is a lot of messaging right about like do the work

in your relationship. But let me tell you what the longest relationships of any of our lives. Any of the women you're looking at right now are each other? Oh my god, like you all are the you are some of the longest relationships of my life. Yeah, it's why I got like all blubbery looking at my three girlfriends from middle school and the two and the two of you and Daniel at my wedding in the back of the bus. It was like we were and Sophia's wedding.

It was like her childhood friends and then us and we were all the bad kids in the back of the bus and it was amazing. But truthfully, I was like weeping because I was like these these people, like this is where I learned how to love. And you know, I'm excited for what the future holds. But to be clear, I will never be married to my husband. For as long as I've been in a relationship with Hilary Burden

and Bethany's your life, it's mathematically impossible. And so I think we need to have cultural messaging about like don't forget who who got you here? You know, like stick with your girls. Yeah right, because you're an honorary drama queen Amanda, would you like to spin a wheel and do most likely to? It would be an honor truly. Yeah, all right, all right, now you get to see behind the curtain. This is what its. You just have to make a sound effect right now? What most likely to go? Ahead?

Not have one social media account? Oh so not beyond any social media. So we have to pick a character and also a real life cast member. Keith to Scott Amanda. Do you agree? I agree that? All right? I feel like real I feel like somebody's probably said, like, Keith, you've got to get the body shop on Instagram, and he's like, I don't know what that istok? Is he still using like the Nokia flip phone that we have in all the like a star attack. They'll totally be

an episode. By the way, if we were doing this show now and Keith is still alive. It would be like a whole episode of him trying to figure out how to do a TikTok. I love it. Wait, I mean, is there anyone from our show that's not on social media that you want us to pass her? Who's not on? Who's not? Are we all just attention? Worse? Is is Moira? I don't think it, guys, you nailed it, so she's not. Don't think she is no, which I think when we

talked to her because there was no way to find her. Yeah, we haven't been keeping up, and now I think it's her. I love it. Okay, Well, when you figure out when you're going to Wilmington, let us know because our entire drama Queen's family is going to be rabid for pictures and information and dates. You just go down there and you throw our names around. Every time you get a reservation, you're like, wow, Sophia, Joy and Hillary told me st here to give me your best table done? You got

next week? Oh yeah, what episode are we doing next week? Guys? It's not good, but you might know more. It's episode three twelve. She said, you just got to make it. Oh, I have it. I have it. The next episode Season three, episode twelve is I've got dreams to remember, and perhaps it's an episode we will all want to forget that we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Maybe you love it, you love it, I don't know. After a level in I desperately hope to love it because today was painful,

but you really turned it around for us. Thank you for coming joy, Thank you all so much. Truly, I love your podcast. I love y'all. I think you're incredible. So thanks. What's your sister's name? Thank you? Arianna, Okay, Arianna, Brianna, look at your kid. You guys have such a good trip, and we'll see all the rest of you next week. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Hey, thanks

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