I hate Mondays • EP217

a doozy from the last episode. Keith is reeling and missing for the beginning from being left of the Altar by Jules, as he finds out it was all a set up by Dan. Anna confronts Felix about her sexuality and finds out who really tagged Peyton's locker, tries to find a living solution so she doesn't have to leave Trill Baby, and Nathan reflects on his relationship with Haley

through the sweetest flashbacks we have ever seen. He tries to win her back while she is on tour, and last but not least, our very favorite k hand in his fight for custody of Jenny. I'm exhausted. I'm emotionally exhausted from this. I'm so glad that someone else said that, because I was like, why am I so tired? Like this episode put us through it? It really did. It was that was that was an emotional coaster. Um. It starts with Nikki. Say the whole Nikki and Jake thing.

I mean that is that's so rough. Custody in and of itself. Anyone who knows anyone who's been through custody stuff, or if you've been through it yourself, you know, the family courts are a mess, and especially just trying to deal with it's always um. Court date after court date. It's never easy. There's never just a cut and clean, dryway. There's always some way the system is trying to suck

money out of you. So the idea that teenagers are having to navigating stuff too, it's just so gut wrenching. I really feel for Jake and to see Nikki weaponize his love for his daughter against him to go to a court date that she knew was a date he was unaware of, and pleading her case as the victim. It's infuriating. But as a teenager like how do you, I mean, how do you know how to hire a lawyer? How do you know, like how to make a court date or a court appearance? What room to go to?

Like you know, I do a whole TV show about the judicial system where it's like grown ups our age whore, like, I have no idea, this is impossible, so intimidating um for that point though, like Jake says I'm staying, I'm not. I'm not going anywhere, like I'm not going to get scared off. I forgot that. He doubled down and was like,

I'm going to stay. And to your point, though, he gets an offer for some help and support from an adult, from a capable adult who says, we can do this differently for you, and that's really his first sign of hope. That's the first thing that lets him know that he can fight. But that didn't happen until after he chose to stay, which I love too. Sometimes you have particularly of faith to do the thing. Where are Jake Jigilski's parents, Seriously, guys,

Like it's like we're children of the corn. They're just parents. Anywhere no one has parents. No, No, it's not even like his parents are saying, well, Jake, we tried, honey, you know, give her to her mama. We can't afford her. Um. Yeah, It's just so confusing to me why they didn't take those opportunities to flesh us out, and instead they're like, well, there's this businessman that Karen's sleeping with. We're gonna I love that Brooks parents are arranging for them the move

and you see the movers, but never her parents. Never. No, it's amazing. There's no parents in tree Hill except for Dan and Deb and Karen. Well, Deb's not even here now, Deb listen. Deb saw the ship show at the wedding and was like, peace, I'm out you guys, it's too much.

I can't. You know, for the people at home that don't know how TV is made, you know, some your deal is sometimes like you're in all the episodes, or you're only in six out of twelve episodes, or maybe three out of twelve episodes, and with a cast as big as ours, you have to budget strategically so you can keep all your players. Um. So sometimes people are missing or sometimes like whole families are missing. That should be in fault. So maybe they just should have given

our show more money if they wanted happy families. That's true because no Felix parents, Felix and Anna Greenberg, Jake Jakalski, no Brook, no Peyton, no parents for anyone than anybody else who else has parents, has no parents. Keith just had a whole ass wedding and his parents weren't there. Damn, damn, that's true. We didn't even have ourselves about about royal and what was grandma's name? I can't remember. Tess Harper, God, yeah, I mean she's so cute. Her commentary on the whole

like chick running out, Danny, did you hire a prostitute? Missing? Yeah, we're missing her. We need a director's cut with Tess Harper right. Well, Hey, speaking of the director, we had Paul Johanson direct this, so this was his first episode directing. I believe the performances, and that's why the performances are so good, because he makes a difference how to get a great performance out of an actor. He understands the concept of the scene and the space and the arc

of the entire story, and he's great. He's so great with actors, man, and he especially for us. You know, we talked about it in season one, how you could see where we were being pushed to perform in certain ways where we were all a little like, I don't know what's sexy what's funny, Like we didn't know. I'm still asking that question, honestly, say and Paul, you know, always encouraged everyone to tone it down and take it inward.

And you see these really relaxed, really interesting, dynamic performances from everyone. I especially thought it was fun watching what Chad was doing with the Lucas and Dan dynamic and watch what James was doing with Nathan's memories of him and Haley. Paul directed those boys beautifully. Yeah, he's been those boys. He's had to walk on those shoes and be like be a heartthrob but also be emotional, but also be approachable, but also be mysterious, you know, like

unattainable but everyone's best friend. Yeah, it's tough being a chick. But it's also really hard to be a young man in your early twenties having to play these parts because you know you're having to do emotional work, but also you get told maintain your masculinity and you want to be cool. You still want to be cool. Oh yeah, you know, be the guy that people are putting their poster on their walls. Just what was that? J fourteen? You know Jonathan Taylor Thomas shout out to the O G.

Did you have him on your wall? I probably did? I you did, probably when I was young. Yeah, like I mean I think when I was like what leven? Yeah, I mean I remember I got like a book it poster thing like I saved my quarters. Remember book It. It was like the book subscription thing you do at school. And I got a Richard Greeko poster. I was never in Yeah, but like guys, I got that like the third grade. I was never into boys our age. I was always he was your first celebrity? Who was your

first crush? Who was your first cet? I had no idea who he was. I saw his picture in the book It pamphlet and was like that guy looks like he rides motorcycles and like causes trouble. Okay, manifested your husband, Hillary, that's what you did? You know who my first crush was? Magnum p I oh that's right, No, yeah, God, I love it still when I think about him and I read a I'm sure I swoon get it when I went to see I went to see this movie. It was a drive in. It was the only driving movie

I've ever seen. I think I was I don't know nine, and it was a double feature. It was The sand Lot and Ghost Dad. Oh the sand Lot Man. When Mike v Tar came on the screen with those big brown eyes and that like Mediterranean olive skin, I was done, Is he like a firefighter? Now? He's like a firefighter. I immediately got on Google when I watched this time out with Maria the other day, and I was like, man,

that kid is still cute. Yeah, in a non creepy way, but like, you know, I could feel myself back being my tenure, your childhood, childhoodself googled his adults forget it. So here's the deal. If you're a handsome young man, but you also have to feel feelings, Paul Johansson is the director for your how to bring it out? Great performance from Anna in particular, I really want to give a shout out to her, to Danielle who just nailed those scenes so beautifully. So um, it wasn't too much.

I mean that's the thing that Paul's great at is reeling actors in and he's like, stopped doing stuff, stop acting, Stop like doing the thing with your face that you think you need to do with the corresponding emotion to the facial expression, stop it. Just stand there and feel what you're feeling. And when you drop into it, if you if you lie yourself to be that honest, which

Danielle clearly did, something really beautiful happens. And I well, let's talk about that whole like arc a little bit, because this is the fruition of lots of Anna conversations, confrontations, um and it. I don't know, it's kind of surprising to me that we did all this so many years ago and it's still such a big conversation. What I appreciated about Anna's arc is that she didn't just come out right away and say I'm gay. It became this

like trickle. It was just a little slow trickle where you could feel this teenage girl trying on new things and if she could get over the one hurdle of of oh I made a joke about this, and no one freaked out, and then oh I admitted maybe I was by and no one freaked out, and then oh, now I've kissed a girl and I'm still alive, you know what I mean. So by the time she gets up to this point where she's like, I'm gay, it's me.

You're not talking about Peyton, You're talking about me. Um, what was the quote she said, here afraid to be myself. That's it. She's me. He said, it's just a word. She said, it's not just a word, it's who I am. And she owns it, and then she says, I'm gay. I think it's so important to show characters figuring it out, you know, because it it provides everyone else with a way to articulate how they're feeling. And you know what, I loved about what she said as well. She had

the profound expression of identity. And when I think about when this aired and how proud I am that we did this, we also got very clear about how things work in the world. And she said, it's not just a word, it's a hate crime. Yeah, because it is. It's a hate crime. And the clarity to say that in an era, because remember in two thousand five, a lot of people were still saying, oh, that's so good, like it was a sincul and making people feel so terrified to be who they were to say no, that's

me you're talking about. And we I'm very proud looking back that we threw the gauntlet down to say no, no, we don't do that. We don't make light. When it's people's identities and their feeling of being accepted in their worlds at stake, We're not going to minimize that at all. I mean, Brooke Davis, you can went for it with the whole banging on Felix's door like one, I can't. I can't be with a person who says this anywhere now in no realm, in no realm is that acceptable.

But on my best friends locker like that turns it up, you know, yeah, Infinity, if you did it to anybody, and you did it to my best friend, you know, it's really easy. Um, it's even a problem now on

the Internet. I have a middle school boy and there are certain like recruiting tools on the internet where they like show you funny videos, and every once in a while they'll slip in something in a per appriate and so all the mom groups I'm in there like, watch what your teen boys are watching, because it's to desensitize them two people's feelings and to make it cool if someone cries, you know, um, and that's certainly not how

I'm raising my son. But you can see how in two thousand five when this aired, there was a sense of toxic masculinity where boys could say whatever they wanted to say and it didn't matter who would hurt. Yeah. I love that she went after him. I love that Brook went after him and just laid that laid that line down, And it was nice for me because that's such a hard line I've always taken since I was so young. I remember getting suspended when I was little.

I liked this story already. Yeah. You know, my my dad, for his whole working career, was an artist, and I grew up in a very a queer, very diverse and gender diverse community in Los Angeles with artists and you know, people who fled here in the same way that so many people fled to New York to have safe queer community. And when the AIDS epidemic hit, I'm not exaggerating when I tell you fifty of my parents closest friends died. And the stigma around AIDS when we were little was

so strong it was a punch line. It was like late night shows punch line. Yeah, and I I remember listening to some kids at school talking about what it meant if you died of AIDS, and I was like, fistfighting with a boy and I got suspended, And is that why they sent you to the all girls school? Honestly? Probably I didn't boys, God gotta get her out of here. And and was like all the arguments I'd ever gotten in defending people who I love, who have been stigmatized

for they love. I got to put all that stuff on Felix as Brooke and it felt great, like knowing that these were the examples we were setting your storyline Hill with Danielle. Danielle's whole storyline is Anna, like you know, me being able to be playing a character who was defending her friends, like it all just felt important. Yeah, And it was because part of something important. So much of TV can be like vapid, like you know, what are we wearing? How does our hair look? Stuff like that?

Um and I love that stuff. I love when we see each other's outfits and we're like, oh my god, it's so cute. But it is nice to look back and see a storyline that we're like, oh, that's what I wanted to model when I started doing this, like I wanted to have safe conversations for people, and Daniella Joy you said it best. You're like Paul gets people to connect in a way that's great. And that single tear that she has at the end of her scene is just like Chef's kiss. It's so good. Keith, you

want to do go to the darkness? Do we want to go down like that dark road? Sure? Yeah, I mean I was. I was gonna say before that Brooke had speaking of Brooke, she let's do so much. This is I don't know why this storyline made me, like I'm like over here what weeping made me cry? This like the fact that Karen, the fact that Lucas decorated his room like your bedroom made space for you, and that Karen allowed you to stay, and then the talk you and Karen have on the bed, all of it

just made me. It made me cry every time. I don't know what that is in me, but I that one really hit me hard. I loved it too. I love also because you see this sort of you know, mustache twirling thing of like Dan and Lucas and m and Lucas tells Karen he's going to stay and we're all like, how is she going to let him stay? Oh? Because his room is going to be open for Brooke. Okay, okay, okay,

Like now we get it. It was it's opening up this storyline, and I think it goes back to some of what we talked about with Lucas character in the first season, where he realizes he's lost his way and he wants to be a guy he recognizes. And this is such a beautiful expression of friendship, kind of helping someone remain a person they recognized. Like, that's what I feel like he's doing for Brooke. And he does have feelings for her, but he hasn't told her. He's just

trying to help her out because he loves her. That's what it is. I think that's what got me. So is that watching We've watched Brooke now for two else's two and a half a season and a half. One season are on three. Two were season two, Okay, so it's almost two and three quarters. It's just this incredible arc. I mean truly, You're just been so outstanding in these two seasons and to really see who she's become. But Brooke is a fighter, she is um, she pushes through

she's somebody that she won't. She might complain for a second, but she's not going to let it keep her down. She's not a victim. She's just like just muscling through, just getting through it, getting through it. I got it. I can take care of myself. I can do all this.

And the fact that Lucas and caring, I mean, just to see someone step in and go, you don't have to carry this all on your own, let us hold you for a moment felt like such a relief for me in my empathy with Brooke over this whole season and watching her just muscle through everything on her own. Man that there was a giant gesture of care from another human. Men loved it. He carried the door, the door, the door, and then Paul, did you guys notice the

beautiful thing Paul did? So Lucas opens the door for Brooke, which is now read, and the first thing you see is her dollhouse with the red door. Yes, it was this like world inside a world, and he did what he could to recreate her world. And it's just such a kind gesture, and it reminds you of who he is at his best. It reminds you of the household he grew up in with Karen, and I love Moira, you know, Karen sitting broke down to say, look, it's going to be very different it. She loves it. She

loves so good, like having a real mom. Sweet Moira was so good at kind of getting that reaction out of all of the young players, you know, because she she interacted with all of us in different ways, and watching her with the boys is fun with her and

like Jake her and Nathan her and Chad. You know, you two had a really special thing though, because you're supposed to be the party girl that's hooking up with her kid and man like to see how excited like your eyes would light up, just like, oh my god, you paid attention to me as as Brooke, Just like, oh my god, this is a real mom. How cool? Um?

I also love from a production standpoint, they were like, we're not going to pay rent on those two big mansion houses anymore, so how can we just put Brooke in a set we already control at this house and we're going to be fun, bunget red and it'll all be the same. No parents, no mansions. These are the things that make our show special though, These little moments. It's it's the simple things in life, just the simple

kindnesses from one person to another. It gets me every time. Well, look, Nathan can Haley on the road trip to see your parents is so cute? And then tied it into this road trip to see her which ends up not being is cute. That was beautiful. And the little things again, like the big red door and the small red door, the Atlanta Highway sign and then the matching Atlanta postcards. There were all these um sort of optical illusions and

references to memory and identity. I think Paul just did such a beautiful job with that stuff that was probably not even on the page, but he created it, and I loved the story that it helped to tell. Those flashbacks, Joy, I remember shooting almost all of those. You know, I've talked a lot about how I have bad memory and I don't remember a lot of this stuff, but I remember I remember all those this whole episode, I remember shooting because you were having fun, we can tell. Yeah, well,

you guys are so cute together in these scenes. Do you think part of the reason, too, is that you were out on tour and you had to fly back just to do these flashbacks and then go right back out on toured like did that? Did that maybe burn it into your brain a little more? Yeah, it's possible. It's possible. I really don't know why. I don't know why, But what do you remember? I remember I definitely remember

shooting the answering machine scene. Um, but it was just so funny because nobody leaves, nobody has an answer machine anymore, right that that's in my notes, you guys making an answering machine recording? So sweet? Um, I remember doing that. I just remember us having a ball. And I think maybe a lot of it that I remember because Paul was directing and so we were all just it was really fully all just our friends doing this episode. So

maybe that was part of it. And I feel like, too, I have a question about that because Paul directing you guys the answering machine message, I was like, oh my god, I'm blushing, like they're talking that. Yeah, in the Answering machine, don't her parents called his number? Don't. I really was like, oh my god, do you think like maybe it just being you James and Paul in the room made you guys like a little spicier and funnier because it was like,

I'm sure a little family being so silly. Yeah. Also probably the fact that I don't think James and I had been fun and snuggly. I don't. We hadn't done a lot of that yet. This was the first time that we were laying down next to each other on on a bed and like tickling and cuddling and snuggling, and that was a new thing for laughing. Yeah, it was a new thing for Nathan and Haley to be to see. It was a new thing for James and

I to shoot. Um. But also you come into your sexy like joy when you come in from the wedding and he's like carried you across the threshold and you do that little like Hibby walk to the bedroom. Babe. Okay the sign fallen off the door. Okay, so cute. I remember that. And then I and I really remember the scene where James shows up and he comes and you know, I walk in. We have to do the whole scene. He's telling me I'm here for you. I married you because I you know, for better or worse,

I support you. I'm here and I'm exhausted. That was so hard to watch. That was so painful to watch her. That was painful, uncertain. I mean, she just couldn't. Why was it so painful? Guys, like friends at home, you need to know that joy was like cringing through that whole scene. I literally said, I'm having heart palpitation, and Hillary goes, I feel like I'm going to throw up. I had like that acid burn in my throat because I was like, well, this sounds so uncomfortable. It was

so because you know what it was. I think when he comes in and says all the right things, it's like he's finally manning up and he's not going to be a baby and yell at you about pursuing your dreams. It's like he's supporting you. And then you just have that look and we all went, oh, no, we didn't remember what you were going to say. This was We did this a long time ago, but we knew it was going to be bad. All of us have had

to do that, you guys. I think, and and you know the look a girl gives when she's happy to see you, but also what the are you doing here? And and you have to pretend as the girl like I'm so happy you made this trip. It would have been better if you'd given me a heads up, and I've got to go do this thing now. Uh. It's those those pauses where you're trying to find the right thing to say to hurt you, but I don't. I can't give you what you need right now, and I'm

in this awkward position. It's hard enough to do that when you know that it's over and you're just trying to find the best way to resolve it. Um, but to do that well, to watch it between a couple that you know it shouldn't be over, that was hard.

But I remember shooting it too, knowing that, like really caring that Nathan and Haley still have a future somewhere somehow, and knowing how much she really does love him, and feeling all that, but really wrestling with I am so young and I am trying to figure so much out, and I don't know, did I make the wrong choice. I've just have done that. Also in real life, you know, broken up with someone and then you're like, here's what you should know is that you're really pretty when you

do it, like thank you. Yeah, I bet you didn't get to watch the last time you did that in like real life, but you got to watch this version and you're like, oh God, damn, I do look good when dump someone cute. But also when you came back, when it was like you you said what you need to said, and you had to leave to go out on stage, and you knew that you had said just like one thing, one thing too hard and you had

to come back and kiss him. I mean, you knew when you were coming back that he wasn't going to be there. You knew it. It really reminded me of that feeling that that love is so fragile, and we think when we're in it, it feels so strong and unbreakable and like nothing can nail it, and we're just like, or nothing can you know, can can break it? And the truth is it's that I think love actually is really fragile in a lot of ways, and it's easy to break if you don't I don't know, it's it

feels like it can fall apart in an instant. I experienced this, where you're in something that feels so strong with then there's a couple of little chinks in the armor and if you let it fester, if you don't deal with it, by the way, if you don't get honest if you don't, then you just start to let it. It starts to chip away at you, and eventually you have those moments, just like Nathan and Haley did just then. And then of course she's going to go back to

her hotel and regret it and think I'm crazy. Of course I'm in love with him. What am I saying? But it's too late. That damage is strong and love is fragile, and you have to know what you're going to say, and you have to be sure about it before you say things like that. And young kids don't know that. Kids also don't have protocols to create these safe containers where you can say, here's all my fears, and I need to say them out loud to you

so that I can realize they're not true. Right, you know, Hayley is speaking her fears and Nathan is hearing them as true. And and these two young kids who we love don't have the wherewithal that we all have is, you know, grown ups to say, here's every irrational thing I'm thinking that's keeping me up at night, and I have to let you know so you know what I'm feeling. And we have to make sense of what's real and what isn't you You don't have that when you're so

young and and you can. It's like you you see it like a shot to the heart to him, and so that is damage that's going to have to be. And she's just talking. That's a huge issue between men and women mostly anyways, that men are so generally so information driven and women are are you know, we're just talking it out like I'm just saying it out loud

because this is how I feel. But I might feel differently in a couple of hours, but you know, this is how I feel, and men take it as information and then they do things with that and you're like, wait, that's just emotion. I'm not hold on, that's not for a girl. I think it was very sly that they mentioned Haley's parents in this episode, because it does remind us that they come from two very different parental structures.

Hailey had the hippie parents that she could like talk things out with, and Nathan had to live with Dan and Deb, who we know had you know, a pretty um rough relationship. Deb fell for another man, and I'm sure Dan said all of these sweeping things to get her back, like you're my wife and I'm going to fight for you. We've heard Dan say those things, and so Nathan is saying all of those things to his wife now, but he's got to act on them. He

can't say them, he has to live them. And conversely, we see Lucas actually living up to all the things that he said. It's really really easy to say like the cheesy I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with you forever girl stuff. It's a totally different thing to walk the walk, and we're seeing Lucas walk the walk in this episode, and unfortunately, we're seeing Nathan drive away. Like had he only sat through that forty minute set, what could have been? You know, Yeah, I don't know for the episode drama.

I don't know though, if he had a stayed, I don't know. Haley, she's processed, Yeah, and Haley wasn't ready even if he had staged. She she she sort of took took the bite of the apple or open Pandora's box if you will. You know, I don't know if I actually like this not a force for this, because I think it is fair her to pursue her dreams. There's not absolutely don't you think he should have left her? A note or something like you're spectacular, you know, We're

just like, I don't know. Just to leave when she's doing the things she's so excited about doing feels petty to me. It's like, why would you come here and piss on this? It's it's reminding me of what you said when we were watching Keith's last scene with just how he hits Lucas so hard. Sometimes when people are in the depths of their pain, they want to barbe at other people with it. They want that like, oh, man, when you're so heartbroken that you want someone to see

how heartbroken you are. It's such a vulnerable thing. He drove all the way out there. This is Nathan Scott we're talking about. This is like dudes jock and he's

like non emotional and was raised by Dan. I mean for this boy to get in his car and drive out there, after the conversations he's had with hay Lee on the phone, after all the you know, the thing on the news, with the misconception about Chris and all of this, to drive out there and wait for her with bated breath and have her walk out and not throw her arms around him and cover him with kisses and go, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you, thank you,

thank you for coming. And and not only does he do that, not only does he stay and give her, he gives her the speech. Even after she doesn't throw her arms around him, he gives her the speech, I'm here for you, whatever you need. It's so vulnerable that when she doesn't respond immediately with thank you, baby, I love you so much. Let's do this, you and me forever. Yeah, I get why he liked it. Now I'm thinking about the ring to the taking the ring off. Guys, I

forgot all right, I changed my mind. He had to go. You talked me into a joy. You and it makes me realize to the you know Hill Peyton observes in the episode when she's sitting looking out the window in that scene with Brooke and says, all of our worlds are being ripped away from us, you know, Peyton's and Jake's and Brooks, and so are Nathan and Haley's. And you realize it's also happening to Keith when he says,

everyone I thought I cared about lied to me. Everyone's worlds are being ripped out from under them in this episode and the only way they're going to get them back is by leaning on each other and accepting help. Broadcast to accept Lucas and Karen's help, Jake has to accept Andy's help like everyone's. They only begin to reclaim what they're losing, and they accept some help from other

people and Nathan apart because they're not accepting each other's help. Ye, Haley's like, I don't know if I want your help. You know, this is a huge testament to why this show has did the test of time. There's no there's nothing else. There's no special effects. That's right, there's no superheroes here and whatever. I don't need we need to belabor the point that, you know what I mean. I'm so sorry. I'm embarrassed I even said it. I had

to do it. That's it. There's no superheroes, there's no vampires, there's no like teenage I don't know, like what's it called glamour suicide? Glam kind of a thing like this is that whole riverside vibe? I don't know, but you know what I mean, like the heightened reality we were just I mean, look, we got into some weird ship eventually and then you know, story storylines got real interesting

as we moved through Tree Hill. I mean, look, hiring mistresses and private investigators as pretty weird as it is, but at least we managed to ground it. The things that make us feel everything though, is all this stuff. Those kinds of things happened in my hometown. So those aren't even like far fetched, you know what I mean? Kid, I ever knew anyone who hired a p I really I didn't. I was encouraged to do do it, but I didn't. Due me too, p I hitman, mistresses, all those things

were like a deal in my hometown. And hitmen. Oh yeah. One of the pastors, one of the pastors in our town tried to get a parishioner to like, I'll kill your wife if you kill mine. Strangers on a train ye watched I played Basebaly with his daughter. It was like a nightmare. Um. Yes, And so when these things happen in tree Hill, it's like, oh, this is crazy. But then also also it happens all the time. Thro

the stranger all the time. Yeah, that's why I still get Star News, the local newspaper from Wilmington where we filmed this. Oh my god, there's crazy things happening all the time, you guys. I was just about to say, I love when you excess articles. Would be so happy. That's how you know. I'm an old personnel where I'm like, y'all see this in the local paper. Check out this headline. I mean, Grant and I still watched the local news sometimes at night, just because we're like, you never see

these weird human interest stories. Otherwise you got to turn into the local affiliate and see what's what. Thank god, Mouth McFadden becomes a reporter later. Thank god. I wish Lee Norris was a reporter. I'd watch him on the news every night. He would be great. He'd be great, would be so good. So military school for Felix, that's a good end of the road for him. Does this mean we're never going to see Felix again? I mean,

I'm okay with it. What an unlikable character. Honestly, anytime he did something remotely nice, it just got tanked so hard. I know, maybe we just had to. I think Dan isn't is villain enough for tree Hill. I don't know that it was. I mean, Nikki, we've got nick you too, who like pops in and out. But yeah, I think, my god. I just also don't think the writers ever, they never took Felix past like a cartoon character in

terms of his motivations. Dan was rooted in some things that were really scary but interesting to watch and learn about. Felix was just like a douche and they tried to clean him up by making him be nice to Brook, and then Brooke just had to clean up after him. I'm not mad about it or anything. It's fine. I'm fine, I'm you know. I think it just felt like more of a device. He always kind of felt like, mar

do you feel like a device. And I think the reason it really stands out that his character was a device is because of how human they wrote Anna. Yes, they didn't put the same effort into his character as they put into hers. And it makes me sad because in losing his character to military school, it also means we're gonna lose Anna like we lost and that didn't

feel fair. No, think about how different tree Hill would have been if we'd had her entire trajectory through graduation, you know, yeah, or or like when we came back after the five year jump, Yeah, you know, like what was Anna doing? Man? I wish we'd gotten her back. That would have been Nate. Where was Anna? I just kept thinking when he was like flipping out on her in those scenes and he was like, how could you

do this? How could you do that? And she was talking about how he always blames everyone for everything else. I was like, welcome to Felix. It's called accountability, Felix. A little dose of some accountability. Felix would be that guy on Twitter that like is making bros Off comments and it's like and then it's totally ridiculous. I said something really horrible. Now I'm being canceled. It's like, no, people are just following you because they don't want to

listen to anymore. Don't have a platform. You haven't been canceled from anything. Be more like Jake Felix. We like Jake. That's what we need on a T shirt. Like I think everyone knows you, guys. I get so many comments where people are like enough, I'm like, you don't tell me what to do. Well Jake all day? If we want to Jake all day? Does he is he in the next few Like when does he? Because he goes out again again at some right. I mean I think

he goes to prison at some point. Oh guys, the fun part of this is it's kind of like reaching into a bag of tricks. We have no idea what's coming now, we're skills. I feel like we've been really missing it. We missed a lot of comedic relief in this episode because the people who have been giving it to us, whether it's you know, Mouth or Skills or deb who else is our comedic relief? You know for any of the River guys, We're missing all of that.

And maybe that's why this episode felt like hard. Yeah. Well, and and it actually makes sense when you put it that way, why those characters aren't in the episode, because this this one was meant to feel low. Yeah, you know it. You're watching all these people having their world's torn apart. And and I'm curious where Keith's threat from the beginning comes in, because at the beginning he throws a window a window, Oh my god, a window from

the tower. Come on, throws through a window and says I have nothing left to lose, but you do to Dan. And then at the end of the episode he's just leaving. I'm like, wait, is what's going on here? I want to know what Key's revenge plan is because if we're going dark, I want to go all the way. I like this storyline for him. I like seeing him finally having enough. Yeah, you you can only be the good

brother for so long. But we also loved the fight in the dealership because it was just like three guys in suits and there was so much like those guys and stripe and gray wool flying around the Henchman, you know, his dealers like Tom and Jerry fight for the guys. Guys and car dealerships don't wear suits now, they wear slacks and those zip up fleeces with like colored shirts. I never see a zip up fleece Vestigain telling him

it well. This also was the episode where Peyton and Brooke have their infamous damn it, I hate Monday's gift. You know what I appreciate about our little podcast here is that we also get lots of messages, not just about how much you guys are sick of me talking about Jake, but also about how we help out with your Monday's. So I like that we come out late night on Sunday into Monday morning because Mondays are brutal and we're super grateful you guys, spend true. I'm happy

to here with you guys on Mondays. Do we have any standing questions? What do we got here? We go here? Okay, oh this is good. I've also had this question, Joy, Laura wants to know. Is Haley's pinky ring something Bethany wore all the time which was added to Haley's character

short for many years and I was always curious about this. Well, Laura, that ring was given to me by a woman who was sort of like a mother figure in my life, who actually years later turned out to be a super creepy, manipulative, psychotic woman. What So I don't know what that means anymore, but that's the story. How have we never talked about this? We have. It's within the greater context of some of the other things that were going on in my life at the time. I see, yes, I understood you need

to jump into a cocktail. And I was about to get excited and be like, Joy, do you remember when we went pinky ring shopping and I'm weirdly wearing mine today? Maybe I can help you reclaim a pinky ring. That's what I need. I needed a pinky ring moment, because yeah, we're gonna get match, and I'm like, you know, was it a promised ring? Did she make you promise your soul to her? She liked turned you into the picture

of Dorian Gray. It was like it was like a you know, kind of a creepy, manipulative way of trying to make me feel like I was a part of something, um and part of her family and like an ownership kind of thing, you know, like when I when a guy who who gives brook jewelry in a creepy way.

This happened earlier in season one. It was Felix right didn't like Yeah, it was kind of like that kind of a moment where it's like you belong to me now, um, And uh, you know, I had was having some strained relationships with my family at the time, and so she she kind of came in at a moment that felt yeah, and I was in my young twenties and it was like, oh, this is great. It feels really like welcoming and awesome and all kind of what I always wanted. And then

it turned out to be a whole sham. So um, yeah, I mean the pinky ring, that's where that comes from. I'm sorry, it's not a happy, exciting story. But I'll get a new pinky ring and it'll be better. Yeah, we're going to get matching. And can I tell you guys something I have Years ago? I gave as a gift to a friend of mine, UM, and the sister of a guy who I used to date when I'm

still good friends with UM, who had three kids. I don't know how I wound up on like some internet rabbit hole and discovered that there are certain cultures or the women were pinky rings in a stack for their children. I gave her these three bands and three men nude, and so I don't know, there's like there's like a whole cultural significance to women and their lineage with paint to rest. Maybe we should just make that should I

love that? You know what? I want a big motherfucking diamond for each of us, like on our pinky so we look like like bosses. That's what I want. I think we go big mafia rings. Yeah, yeah, I want to look like you know, I like a little bit of a like a big chunky gold boot. I'm going so techy, so big. When we walk into a restaurant, we knocked that thing on the table then people come running and right, this is my favorite thing to find.

It's things that are like jewelry or you know, clothes on it that are like, they're so awful, the hangar, you're like, it's it's so bad that it's got to be good When I put this on. Sometimes it really is. And I think jewelry can be the same way. Mm hmm. All right, we're gonna go to find something spicy to replace that thing. Joy. Well, what about it? Okay, what about you guys? So look, if you could change the ship name of your person for your character? Oh this

is from who's this from? Oh? Sorry, this is from Jade. She's asking she's asking us, Um, if you could change the relationship name the ship name. I guess I don't know. I'm not cool. Um, that's relationship the person your character ends up with. Would you, for example, Layton to Pucus. That's so mean, that's terrible. Yeah, but I also kissed a lot of people on this show, So hold on, I'm gonna have to do some wordle over here and

figure out what my options are. I kind of feel like the names, like ship names, end up being the most obviously attractive sound in terms of combination of names like what are you gonna call Brook and Julian like Julia like that would have been weird, like Bullian makes more silent. Yeah, I think I think we hate it on Pathon, Oh my god, or Hay that would have been so weird too. Yeah, it's there's something about I don't know they. I think they. I think they end

up where they end up in a natural sort. Hold on, Wait, Sophia, you cringe though? Is ship not short for relationship? Am I wrong? What does ship mean? Oh? You okay? Maybe you're just cringing it like the idea. I think that's an Eminem reference. Yea, from that so it's used as a verb, yeah, like if you're if you're a stand, like if you're a one direction stand, or like a one tree hill stand. But the thing is is it's

become synonymous with like super fan. But the stand reference from the Eminem song is like someone terrifying, terrifying the lexicon. The sort of colloquialism has changed from the proper or I guess, so it's used in irony is what you're saying? No, it's used no like I'm such a fan, I'm like such a Oh my god, I'm such a stalker of that band. Right. No, that the stalker sense has kind of dropped off and it's more like a super fan thing. There's a whole generation of kids out there that don't

know the stand video there. It's a stand um okay. So with that said, of all the shows on TV, what ship do you stand your grandma? Wow? I got to think about it. Um. Oh gosh. You know what I stand is that it wasn't ever or even a romantic relationship. Um. Don Draper and Joan Holloway. Oh. Every time the two of them were on screen together or working together, there was something about those two actors in a scene together that made me love and I love

those characters together. Sounds great. Yeah, So what would what would their ship be? It would be done, yeah, John John, I don't know, Er Holloway. It's got to be like a draw away or oh see there you go. We're doing it. Girls from doing it. Yeah. They on my show they call me and Edwin Hodge because we're Samantha Griffith and Malcolm Kingsley. They call us Griffsley and I'm like, we sound like we came out of Harry Potter. But

I like it. I'm like, okay, oh wait, you know I love is the couple from yellow Stone the Oh my god, well I love Kelsey and her her boyfriend on that but her husband. Yes, but but the Kelly Riley and what are their names? I love them. That's that couples. So I would like to be in that relationship. Yeah, they're faster. I would like to be in that relationship. Yeah. None of my ships are grown up ships. Um, because my kids only watch kids shows and so jes no no,

Gus went through a huge Zombies phase. Um, the musical Zombies. And now George has caught onto it and there's cheerleaders in it, and she's just like so freaking into it. So yeah, freaking z and Addison. I'm a Zaddison ship friends. Yeah, we had a whole new cheerleading pack coming up. Um. Yes, it's a combination of all the stuff my family cares about, a little bit of sports, some undead and a cheerleading skirt. Fantastic. Oh, it's ripped, ripping Bath from Yellowstone. Our assistant just told

us that, what's your what is that? That's ripping Beth from Yellowstone. That's a couple of yeah, but is that rethym Beth. We could play this game for hours. Guys, Guys, I think we might need to put ourselves to bed. Even though it's early in the day. We are going to spin a wheel. Let's do it. Who's going to be our most likely to this week most likely to get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I wouldn't that be Hailey James? Oh maybe, I guess Hill?

That makes sense? But also what about Rachel Gettina, because didn't she end up like being a TV host or something? That's right? Rachel definitely feels like she'd be. Yeah, she's ambitious, She's very ambitious. Yeah, for sure. Um. I also still see Leonora's as getting I know he's our answer for everything, but honestly, a renaissance in real life. Barry Corbin Berry's been in literally everything, does have one. No, but he should I don't know. Daphne also, by the way, definitely

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