Good News/Bad News • EP403

and real witty dialogue everybody has. There were singers, singers, There was great banter. We had people actually getting into things. I also love when drama. I love when we start to get vulnerable about like why we're being the way we're being, which is so nice. This was a good one. Tell him what it was joy. This one was season four, episode three. Good news for people who love, bad news for us. I'll tell you what. Yeah, I guess that's fitting.

Lucas and Brooke, now broken up, clash at a postgame party, and Haley realizes that Rachel is plotting to seduced Nathan. Meanwhile, Peyton connects with her half brother Ish Maybe and Rachel reveals that she knows who is pregnant, also skills takes the court with Raven's basketball team, which is my personal favorite storyline of the episode. Uh, let's get into it. Yeah. We had Mike Caro and David Stiles write this episode,

and they're you know, they're bros. And I give them ship for some of the stuff that they wrote in earlier seasons because it's very like bro centric um. But we also have to understand who they were working for when they write our episodes. I feel like they practice the dialogue with each other, and that's why he always feels good. When you're writing with another person and you get to bounce the ball back and forth, you can

just tell. Because this is a tight script, a lot happened and there was never a moment where I was like, yeah, I like that. They also, just as writers are willing to just find somebody, they found somebody they know it works with, and they just like, we're just doing everything together. This is a winning combo. Let's do it this way.

I think there's a lot of writers out there whose ego won't allow them to do that, but it really if you find it and it works, it's a great formula well, and you can really feel the fact that they bounce off of each other. It informs the banter in the whole episode. You know. Like one of the things I loved and when we were watching it is there's that big you know, Brooke and Rachel have a tete a tete by the pool after the party and Hillary.

As soon as the scene ended, you were like the banter and like, that's fun feedback when you're watching something and you go, God, I loved that dialogue, not not just that people bring it, but that what they're saying is really good. Because you know, we've lamented and made fun of ourselves that we've we've had to make some real bad dialogue good. We've had to we've had to commit, and so when you get to commit in a scene that is so well written, it's like, yeah, it's so

much easier. I mean, that's it really helps. It's it's one thing that we're good at making bad dialogue work, but when you can really tell the difference when the dialogue is actually good because there's a natural flow. And we've said this before that acting is mostly listening and if you have a good script, all you have to do is be in the moment and listen to what the other person is saying and what their body language

is saying, and you can respond. And your response should fit what's on the page, or rather what's on the page should fit what you naturally feel as a response in the scene. And if it's badly written, then you have to kind of do double duty because you can't just respond with what should be said, You have to respond with what should be said underneath the actual written on the page, which is hard to do. So when it's a good scene, it's well written, it's just it flows.

It's so nice. It's a relief. I love that scene with you and Rachel. They're friends in real life. So the friendships that we get to examine in this episode are great. We've got some awesome Lucas and Skills scenes. We have great mouth scenes talking to everybody, great Rangel scenes, Like all of the friendships are getting to kind of show off, and it's because you have two people who

genuinely like each other making a thing together. It's great when like the behind the scenes informs what we're seeing on screen. Um, well, here in the beginning, my first question was how is where was Hayley. She was we first saw her. Oh she's in her cheerleading uniform, hanging up a post or something. Um My my first question was, how is she keeping this pregnancy a secret for so long?

I mean, how can you have l Well, it's at least a few days or a week maybe, since I don't know, that's a really long time to be married and keep I get keeping it a secret if you're on your own, but to be married and not tell your spouse, that's I mean, I mean, how long did you keep a secret keeper? I guess I didn't know

this about hurt. You know what's interesting, I think like in so many of the ways that I went out of my way to like build community because I grew up an only child, I know what it is to sit on something for too long because you're worried it's going to make other people uncomfortable. Like that's my achilles heel.

Like the thing that was meant with love but that really psychologically to me up in my house was that the motto was always let somebody else be the problem, And it was meant to be like show up and help and know, always be a helper. But what it taught me as a kid before my brain was fully developed, was like, never ever, ever be the reason that there's more stress in a room. So it took me a long time to unlearn that. And and it's so interesting

that you're like, maybe she's a secretive person. And my response was, well, Nathan said he doesn't want anything to get in the way of his dreams. And it's playoffs, and he wants to go to college and he needs to get a scholarship. So Haley probably doesn't want to tell him, and she's pregnant until after the playoffs are over. Like I'm immediately justifying why she's making sure she's not a problem for hits. That totally tracks, especially a girl who grew up in a house with a bunch of

siblings too. I mean that could be an only child experience like you had, or or a big family, big family, and it's just like, honey, we have to deal with all these other problems with your brothers and sisters. Like you're the good one, right, we can, Yes, you're good. Yes, you know I get that. I and I wonder if there's a little bit of that, especially you know, I know we were in our twenties by this point in

the show filming season four. But as a teenager, there really is a lot of pressure, and I I think it's incredible. You know. We talked about it a lot, especially with your you know, your kids and Hillary Gusty in the age he is and how things are different but some things are the same. And and there really was in this era when we were doing this work, there was a lot of that, like, you know, be a good girl, don't get in his way, even the narrative of are you trying to trap him? You know,

this whole thing. So I wonder if she's just really like I I have so much sympathy for her not wanting to ruin something, especially after all the trouble I've been through. Yeah, and once she says it, it's out. Yeah. Well, and because and then you never know, like maybe she'll you know, the pregnancy might not last, and so she doesn't want to that happens. She doesn't want to create a lot of drama in the event that, you know, it doesn't work, and so, you know, then there's all

of this aftermath to deal with. And I can see how Haley would just be like, I'm strong enough, I can just weather this. On my own. It's fine. I'll say something when I need to say something, and you know it. I don't know it tracks emotionally for me, like as a viewer and as Haley's friend. I don't know if that's weird. But but also then like when I zoom out and I go, well, and what's happening? Why are they doing this? I'm like, oh, duh, because

they want the misdirect that Brooke is pregnant. They want you know, the audience really thought, oh my god, Brooke Davis is pregnant and it turns out to lucas great secret keeper. Yeah Brooke is um. Yeah. But it's that I think is really it's a good reminder to be like, oh right, right. It has to carry out for episodes because it's going to be this big misdirect and dramatic reveal. That scene was interesting between Haley and Nathan because he

gives this whole speech. I mean, he clearly has PTSD. This child has been through problem as much, if not more than Peyton Sawyer right, like Das and his uncle getting shot and like you know, like like just tons of trauma. I remember remember when he was on drugs season one. This kid has seen it all, and his dad beats him, you know, dad hit him multiple times.

They're trying to kill each other, his parents. This child is in a ship storm and it gets boiled down to this speech where he's like, when I play basketball, all of that goes away. And I can't make up my mind whether I think that that's corny. And it's like the boy version of how every problem is solved if you get a boyfriend for the girls on our show, you know what I mean, like your problems. I don't think it's I don't think it's fake. Go ahead, but

but that's the thing. It's like, I just go back and forth between being like, is this one of those quick fixes like what we do for the girls, but just the guy version, or like, you know, is this a legitimate thing? Is it a coping mechanism for young people to be like I just get to check out for two hours? Awesome? Yeah? I mean didn't it doesn't

that ring true for you? Growing up in theater with like family like I we had a lot of drama and my family growing up, and man, the second that I got to get dropped off at theater and walked in those doors and got on stage it was like pure relief, pure joy, pure freedom. Um, I don't know did you guys feel that way if you were feeling stressed at school or if you had a lot of stuff going on to be able to have a safe did you have a safe place like that? I mean

I lived at school. I would get dropped off an hour early to go to student government stuff and I wouldn't come home tell nine o'clock at night. Um, doing after school ship. So something you're good at, it feels good to be doing something you're good at. Well, it gives you your you. High school is when you are separating your identity from your parents. Because before you get your license, before you have your after school activities or your whatever, you hang out with who your parents tell

you to hang out with. You go to the restaurants your parents tell you to go to, You go to church if your parents tell you to, like, you have to do all those things. And it's only when you're kind of mobile and you're on your own that you can say, you know what, I'm not going to do that, and I'm going to do this. And so seeing these kids flex that and be like I'm I'm not getting involved there, I'm going to go create this own little bubble,

my own bubble. It's good that you just made me think of something that I genuinely had not connected those dots about transport before. Because for me, growing up in a in like a blended family in terms of even faith, like I grew up going to mask my mom was raised Catholic, I grew up going to synagogue for all

the Jewish holidays. And it's like one of my favorite things about my family is that there was this breadth of you can examine all these things, like you can read all of the books, what what to you strikes you as true in all of them if you reduce them down. Yeah, And like that was such an inspiring

thing for me as a kid. And it's like I never thought about the fact that prior to being able to drive, if you didn't get to go and explore a bunch of things just by the you know, happenstance of like luck, that you might have been curious about something and literally never had the opportunity. And I think about how much I was able to to kind of find my own identity because I had all these different places to go, and I wonder, like I wonder if

that's why. You know, the first time I went to sleepaway camp, I was nine and I came home after two weeks and my parents were like so worried that I would be I would just be so homesick and whatever. And this little nine year old I looked at my parents and I said, I loved it. Can I go for the whole summer next year? And my mom was

like what she was heartbroken? She was heartbroken, but like in this moment, I'm realizing, oh my god, that's the place I got to go and be an individual all on my own, like, and it didn't matter that I couldn't drive, because I would I would get on a bus, I would go to camp and then I would do all of the things all by myself. And I loved it. And it's like still to this day, people will be like,

you were a camp counselor weren't you. I'm like, yeah, it's truly where I found myself and I I don't know, I'm having like a completely existential moment of going, Wow, I didn't I didn't tie like the beauty of that freedom to the reality that I couldn't go anywhere without a ride for another eight years. Yeah, you don't think about that when you're I didn't think about that at all. That is wild. Well, it's fun. Kids have to have their little bubbles to find themselves. And you know, Nathan's

finding it on the basketball court. Our other kids are finding it. You know, Skills is finding it, which is joy. You said it man, that storyline one the episode, So yeah, long overdue. I'm so glad to see Antoine getting his own storyline. Um. That sequence was great on the basketball court. You really felt like the rush of energy that he

was bringing to the court. And I thought our director did a very nice job of showing at the beginning of the game just sort of the nice steady traveling shot, watching the watching the guys go back and forth, and and then and Skills got on the court, it was like bam bam boom up close and then then they're like tustling, and it was just really exciting. It was

gorgeous and it's really cool like to see. I think it's been something that's been so electric for us as viewers watching James played basketball because he's such a good basketball player, and Antoine is such a good basketball player, like everybody, all the other boys on the show. Had to learn some basketball skills to act like basketball players.

But those two there, they play in leagues, like they are so naturally inclined and good at the sport that now to have two of them on camera is like electric. It's so exciting. And yeah, I even knowing that we were going to watch it and like we made the show, I was so aled. He was just like an amped viewer.

Antoine is a really good actor, and I don't feel like he gets his do because everyone is assuming that he is just taken what's on the page and like giving it a little bit of polish and like making it funny. Right, this episode saw skills so grounded and calm, and in the scene with Lucas and the bleachers where he is nervous and he's serious about joining the team,

he's so still. And we know Antoine personally, we know that he's like our buddy who is good for a dirty joke, like a really bad internet meme, you know, like Antoine is all jokes and all fun. He's all

energy too. He's always like moving and to see him so still, and then he does it again later in the episode, he's really like, yeah, when when Lucas is like, maybe we shouldn't have left, and he says that's a stupid way to think, and all three of us are like, yeah, he's just so still in a way that a lot of the rest of us aren't in the in the episodes.

And maybe that's because Antone was older than we are and had, you know, different experiences, but the way some of us are like, I know, I always use my hands and I'm always like a little bit huffy and like a lot of nervous energy. To see someone so still and committed to the material is great. I love

that he made skills that person. And it was also such a It was such an amazing sampling of all of his of all of Antoine's acting skills, because he shows you that vulnerability, he shows you that stillness, He shows you his prowess as an athlete, and you watch him get all jacked up on that adrenaline and that joy and that success, and and then in that moment at the river court, he's able to bring it down,

but he brings his humor. We get every kind of flavor of the friend that skills is, and in an interesting way, it almost feels like it it's like it fills in the backstory of the River Court boys with more depth than we've had on an ensemble show for for our friends at home, and you've probably heard us talk about this. You get a lot of oh, well that happened off camera. Those two went to them all like you just seven years ago when this happened exactly. Yeah,

I've always had a crush on Uncle Cooper. We've never seen him before. You know, it's like all that stuff, and you know they fill it that way and this like watching this whole episode every time Skills is on camera, I feel like I'm getting to know all of those boys better. And that's an incredible thing to be able to do as an actor and such a testament to Antoine that he personalized every word and so it didn't just feel like a present moment. It also felt like

a backstory. When he wins beer pong, Oh, that transition to transition from the basketball going into the net and then he throws it and the ball in midair turns into a ping pong ball that is painted like a basketball and it goes into a cup and they're playing beer pong at a party. It was that was a really, really great shot, and I will say, you know, um, John Asher directed this episode and John is not much older than us, and like, you know, kind of was

everybody's like big frat brother or something. Yeah, Like and I say, this would love but we're all giggling because like he drove a grace but we loved it. You know. It's like that kind of big brother energy where you know you're you know you're gonna get teased or whatever. And God, I think sometimes we can forget like how creative he was on our show. And I know we've talked about this before. Joy, you brought this up recently that sometimes directors would come on our show and like

test things for other shows. Yeah, this is such a testament to what it means to be creative inside the world of a ship. In the context. Yeah, like he always stated, in context, always in context, And that's something I really admire in anybody in charge. And like, it seems so simple, but to turn a basketball shot into a beer pong shot like Chef's kiss, it's more fun than just like ending the game and then suddenly we're at a party. Just fun, creative nostalgia. Give me more.

I want it all the time. I want that party, so we got so then we get to the party. Who knew Rachel's house had that backyard? I know, right, Like, whoa do you guys remember filming that party? I do? I don't really. I have like visceral memories of like bowls of chips and like like I can close my eyes and I'm there with Lee and Matt Barr. I know. Just oh, that's so funny. Yeah, it's weird which episodes pop like that, you know, because I had totally forgotten

about this episode. We're entering into the zone where I had, in my personal life gotten married, and it was very awful and dramatic right from the beginning. So I don't like every I feel like the next couple of seasons are all going to be I'm a little lost in memories set because because I was so lost in my own world of drama that I missed a lot of these. But you also lived on airplanes like work. You know,

you were a machine. You would show up, no your ship hit that mark, and then have to fly across the country making connections. It was a good party. Now here's my question. Here's my question on the quad. Earlier in the episode, Brooke gives Haley this like whole ass like you better pick a side speech just to defend Peyton. There was no tongue. I yelled it at the screen. There's no tongue. You guys are blowing this out of proportion.

Brooke doesn't know that, so she's she is imagining the worst of it, which is what it was the first time. And it's really interesting to me that Lucas I wanted to punch him in this episode. He goes, you, you broke up with me and didn't give me a real reason. I'm sorry what You've hooked up with my best friend multiple times. I just like, you're over at her house. I'm seeing you on her webcamp, Like what are you

talking about? Yeah, it's interesting that when Brooke breaks up with him, she's very like adult and sure about it and talked about the last episode. But now it's like it's it's eating at her. It's like, no, actually I am really pissed about well, yeah, now that I have to be above board. Yeah, she's like, I did the thing. I had the conversation with you from my highest self, but actually I want to punch you in the phase. Yeah that tracks I have that sometimes where I'm like,

I was too nice. I should have I really I didn't say the thing I wanted to say. And now I'm like, yeah, I'm walking around my house reliving the argument because I was polite and I really should have called you on this this fill in the blank. And I think what's interesting about it is that it's always been played like the Brook and Payton conflict. Right. You know, I'm stomping across the quad. Nobody wants to be on team Paint because the captain's a big hor you know.

It's like, it's all hilarious, so much never holds back man, Like we we have just been crying laughing. It is so funny. It's like some of my favorite brand of Brooke Davis comedy. But watching it now also, I'm like, wait a second, here we are being pit against each other. It's all his fault. This dumb boy didn't tell the truth, didn't give a clear explanation. Then is telling her, how dare you be mad at me? And it's like, bro,

you haven't even actually told me what happened. You're just letting me walk around think the worst, thinking the worst of everything. And then he has the nerve to say you didn't fight for me. Hello, have you been present for the last two two and a half years. You've had to have so many grown up conversations with him. I'm flabbergasted because again we remember what we remember, and it's like it's deja vu, truly to the first time this happened, where I'm like, wait a second, this isn't

even about us. This is his fault. And that's the definition of insanity, doing the same over and over over and over and expecting a different outcome. It will never had to in that lesson a few times with these two. Here's here's my thing though, for all of Brooks, like you know, bluster, she's pissed. That would seem to me like the reasonable spot where Haley would look at her friend and be like, oh, you want me to pick sides? You're living in Rachel's house and she is incredibly problematic

to me, are you going to pick a side? Um? And we and you know, like I have it that in my notes at the top of the episode, and certainly we get there, but we Brook arrives at that spot on her own. Haley isn't like, hey, reciprocate, you know well, which I actually think is better because yeah, I don't think Haley is that kind of person. Also, Haley knows Brooks not living with Rachel for ships and giggles. Brooke doesn't have a house, so it's like, where's she

going to go? You know, she's a sixteen year old kid who has nowhere to go. Or I guess she's also never been as far as I can remember, she's never been the kind of person that like, she doesn't seem to loop people in with problems and and try and triangulate. Yeah, she's very like compartmentalized with people. Why doesn't Lucas just go to her house? Seriously? Like two Brooks point, why is he always at Peyton's house If he's trying to sort out as ship Haley is now

a closer friend to Brooke, he isn't he at her house? Yeah? It's weird. It's poking the bear man, it really, it really is. It's very interesting. But as much as I'm having the moment of going, wait a minute, this is all this teenage boy making a mess, why did they keep pitting the girls against each other? I know, I know TV drama. The thing I will say that I don't like that like, you know, all of it makes sense to me. I'm amused by this, just realizing like

it's this diption, like why are we fighting? The one thing that irked me, and that's probably because it's meant to I don't like. And I wonder why none of the men caught it, But I don't know, maybe they did it on purpose. I don't like a boy walking up to a girl at a party who is surrounded by a group of boys and saying she's all yours. I didn't like that. I really thought it was gross.

It made me feel unsafe. It made me like even now, like if I saw a boy say that to a girl, like the lesson I would give him about like violence against women and consent and women are not property. You don't get to give her away like it. That like really triggered some for me. I really did not like that. And I and maybe it's because we're adults now, and I think, like, oh, come on, like adults wrote this, don't do that. But maybe it's because it's supposed to

be a boy being gross. I don't. Yeah, I mean, if everyone knows that he's the protector, he's the guy that gets girls home safe from parties, and he just declares it to everyone, you can have her. I'm done here. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, being trying to be in the position where don't do that. Boys, any boys listening to our show be better than that. We'll look at the different or look at the similarities between what Brooke has been saying to Lucas, let me in, let me in,

let me in. Yeah, and the speech that the beautiful scene that Haley has with Nathan let me in. I was thinking that I'm trying so hard not to be a psycho and have my feelings hurt. Can you just tell me what's going on? And the difference in in the way the boys respond yes, because Nathan immediately says, wait, that's what you think. Because when people won't let you in, when they won't tell you what's happening, but you know something's wrong, the natural human assumption is to think, well,

they won't to me because it's me. And the minute Nathan realizes that Haley is personalizing his distance, his pain, his confusion, he shuts it down and that was you, guys, such a such a good job in that scene. He's not playing games with her, He's totally there in present with her, and I loved that. I I don't know why he's not sharing with her. I guess they're both keeping secrets, but I don't know why he's not sharing with her all of this trauma that he's going through.

I did not like the way he walked up to Rachel at that party that listen. Was there like a little one in you because you guys played husband and wife, you know whatever, was there a little thing in you that that um subconsciously bubbles up when you see something like that, Like do you feel jealous in real life? I know I get territorial over some people. Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean on the show, I do. I never felt that way in real life, but when I

when I'm watching, I'm so invested in these characters. That was like, excuse me, why are you leaning up against a wall right behind Rachel with your arm up and like giving her the impression that you're I mean, I get it was for a shot, Yeah, let's justify it, but it was on purpose. It was sexy. It was all three of us went like juked back from the

screen a little bit before. Absolutely not, And I think I do think that was that feels like a conscious choice on the part of like the director and the actors in the scene to go, we've got to we've got to do some things that will create confusion for Rachel. But like, whoa, it wasn't the right move though I thought that. I agree, it was sexy, and it was it was a misdirect, but it was so out of

character for Nathan. I mean, yeah, I don't know though, I don't know that it's out of character because Nathan Scott is still Dance Scott's son, like he's not an angel, and I would like exploring that storyline. If we were exploring that storyline of him growing and dealing with the fact that he's married but still attracted to other girls and doesn't know how to handle it, that's a that's

something to explore. Yeah, but my only fear their joy and I get it, And that's such a tendency of mine to be like, well, hold on, what are we really saying? People do dumb all the time they do. I think we have to, like sometimes we want to justify, like why someone's doing something. Sometimes people just do things they don't even realize they're doing it, Like he he might have thought I'm gonna come intimidate her a little bit and be like hey, like and stand over her

and like whatever. And then to us as girls were like, whoa, that's hot. What are you doing? You know, like you have any idea liket? Yeah, we're like accident, like, sir, put those arms away, Like make sense to you. It's street Car named Desire, right, he's Stanley, Yes. Where it's like you're coming into my world here. You're you're pretending to be nice with like my woman and all my woman's friends and stuff, and then you're like flirting with me and like there's a weird energy here. It's a

very Tennessee Williams vibe. Like James Lafferty is a Tennessee Williams actor. He would be so good in any one of those shows. I mean, I feel like that shot actually was from either street Car or a cat on the huntin roof or something. Haven't we seen that shot before? Yeah, it's it's being salacious without him laying a hand on her. He doesn't touch her. Yeah, it feels like a power move, which probably is why it flustered us all in the second or just or are we just all attracted to people?

I don't know, but what I will say is interesting to think about it in the context of the storyline for Nathan, like how well he does to let Haley in, how how much he really is trying to process all of this, even even saying to Haley about Rachel, like I think she's got some trauma, not that it's our problem, you know. I felt like the kind of energy of that scene. I loved the the sweet, disarmed friendship of

Nathan and Peyton in this episode. I loved seeing him at that time when you came over and said you're over here by yourself. That used to be our signal. I like platonic Peyton, and I like that her and Nathan are in this space. Here's what troubled me in this episode. Why couldn't I match that will of platonic with the actor playing my hot brother. I'm so glad

we're getting here. I was burying the lead. I didn't want to talk about Peyton because this is like so exciting and so juicy, and I was like, we gotta save it for the second happen. I'm just blushing the whole time. Matt bar is talking to me, and I'm like, look, I can do a scene with Nathan where I'm like, come on, buddy, I can do scenes with Lucas where I'm like, buddy, buddy, buddy. Okay. We gotta say the thing. Though we had been working with all these boys for

three and a half years. The hot wears off. It wears off fast, it does. Like to say it, but everything becomes relative really quickly. Like if Giselle was your neighbor, you would stop gawking at her eventually, you know, I mean maybe not her, but you know what I'm saying, like popcorn every day, Like like James and Chad and all the boys on the basketball team, Like they got to just be these goober boys that we made fun of and we'd be like, why are you doing that?

Like why are you playing those video games? We did them like tons of dumb ship. Remember when they did each other to lay on that ant hill, Oh my god, like come on those ding dongs, And like I say it with love, we loved them, but like they became just like you gross boys. Matt Bar had been around for forty eight hours. Nobody was used to him, and he stood really. Look, Derek was supposed to be creepy. Matt Bar stood so close to you. I was I was blushing. I wasn't even in the scene, and I

was like, I am, I am sweating. I don't know how like the loveliest person. He's the best guy. He was like just he was really doing such a nice job of being so friendly and respectful and interested, and yet there was this slow hint of danger. And the danger maybe is what we were attracted to. A guy who's really nice and respectful but also feels maybe a

little dangerous, So you know, that's fun. Um So I think that's probably what the energy was that we were like, oh, this is kind of attractive, but it turned out to be it's psychotic and not so embarrassed. And that's part of the interesting thing, right, is when you're playing these misdirects, like Matt finds out he's going to have to be the nightmare of Peyton's life, not actually her brother, you know, this whole creepy thing, but you have to play the

brother before the turn you to it. Yeah, like I you know, my storyline in this episode, Brooke is not pregnant but has to behave like she is. You know, I had to think, like, oh my god, Brooke is going to have Lucas's baby. Everything is going to be awful. I had to go there so that we'd be surprised when we found out it was Haley, Like you did absolutely oh they wanted but you were just being a

good friend. I thought you were just like, oh, of course, but but fully like they were like, everyone has to really think you're pregnant. So so I had to play it. Yeah, of course, you know, it's Brooks being a good friend and is keeping Haley's secret. But as an actor, I was like, I have to pick moments where I'm going to play the scene like I am so that the audience is really like I don't want anybody to be able to wonder, and and that's like it's a weird

thing to have. That's like one of the weird things about our jobs, you know. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I we all know where the Psycho Derek of it is going, and it's it's so dark that I'm frankly a little bit nervous to get there. I'm just enjoying your commitment to Peyton being happy for at least like five or the drama. It's just like it's not gonna get me down. No, Like Brooke is just literally telling Peyton like, I hope you die in a fire, and

Peyton's like, anyway, have you met my hot brother? Just smiled. I really loved that too. I loved the like, I mean, god, we're so angry at each other, but all of our banter is hilarious, so good. Everything in this episode between us is so funny. You know your I love you kill people? Well, then I love you Brooke. Oh god, I loved that you were. I love watching you be happy and vulnerable and excited and just ready for a

new chapter in life. It's so depressed thing that it's like every single thing that that comes into Peyton's life turns out to be a big wet blanket there. I mean, Peyton took him on the death walk of Tree Hill. That's how you know she's like invested where she's like, do you want to see my friends almost died last week? And you want to see my mom is buried? And

you want to see my other mom is buried? And do you want to see Like it's so desperate for someone close, someone to know her and see her, And it just would have been better if he wasn't as handsome because Peyton's enthusiasm reads as very like Game of Thrones to me. Haven't you guys ever had a hot family member though? No, you know, no if you met my relitives, no, I'm sure listen. If any of you

are listening, you're gorgeous. But I do have not wanted to kiss, you know, like second cousins or people that you've met later that are and you're like, wow, this is too bad. Girl. I turned eighteen and I left Rginia and there was just no turning back. So I bet I have hot family members out there. Uh, but no, that's so funny. I mean you have set the boundary.

But I've totally had that moment. Really. Yeah, it's like what you can't help if you're attracted to somebody that's just your body is just like you're suddenly feeling like, oh my god, I'm attracted to this person. Then you've got to be like, well, shutting that down right now, because because you're related and you're really attracted to yourself. But it's you're like, you're looking just like me. Oh it's not, it's but it's not with people that you like, grew,

that you've known the whole time. No, it's like someone that you meet later who's like a second or third cousin or like a once removed kind of a thing. And you know, I don't know, I can't believe you've never had that experience. Well I have. I found out that my great great grandfather moved to Washington State after his wife died, and I went on this like mad spiral where I was like, oh, Jeff and related like I just feel like, yeah, I was just like, wait

of horrifying. Yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of ship that keeps you up at night and makes you thankful for the Internet because we're not um thank god, but no is complicated. Yeah, yeah, that would be really hard. I feel like there have been Oh yeah, I'm going I feel like there's a movie that I loved that's about this. Yeah. Clueless Share Share is in love with her stepbrother stepbrother very close, that's closer than a cousin, but there's no

there's no blood. It's like it's like as a as a teenager, her dad married a woman who had a son in college. So that's when they meet in Clueless and she's like, oh my god, I love Josh, Which did I love Josh we're all in love with Paul, so like, no one is surprised, but that hilarious in a movie. I don't I don't think, I jo I don't think I could. I figured it out. I figured out my No, you can't get over it, of course not.

My mom had an uncle Paul, and so he was my second uncle, great uncle, what do you call those? And he had a ponytail and a beard, and he like worked for the government, and he had this like hippie wife, Tanya, and he was hot and he was like he was like the cool liberal uncle at Christmas and Thanksgiving and stuff, and I just thought he was They traveled the world. I think they had a sitar player at their wedding or something. Cool. Yeah, uncle Pop,

I get it, I get it, I get it. Handsome relative and Matt bar just making me look like I know. And we saw him recently on our tour and he's still just handsome as ever and so kind and lovely. It's a sweet, great person and still working a lot. And we're lucky that we got him on the shop. Was so fun to have him tour with us. Well, yeah, just because we haven't hear about his work and yeah, to hear about his work and to meet his fiancee, and like, it was just so lovely and it's such

a wild thing. You know, we're I know, we're doing those um tour stops, his bonus episodes for y'all. But ah, Unfortunately, if you if you got to do the video stream, you didn't get to see Matt because he wasn't he wasn't there that night. But my god, it was so interesting to hear about the way people started really responding to him in public after that story. It's so sad. It breaks my heart for him because him in public, I love his game for it. Though he doesn't it

doesn't really bother him. He's like, hey, Manny, I'm nervous to watch this unfold with Peyton. Though it's a it's a storyline I was on set for. I heard about it. I remember reading it in the script and being like, well, that's gonna be really insane, but okay, but you know you just kind of I missed it. So I'm yeah, I'm excited to see your work, but I'm also not excited about this. You know. I was always hoping for redemption for him, because he does fit the group very well.

Because the scene he has with Mouth was one of my favorite of the episode where Mouth gives him the whole new guy thing and he just plays. He plays the straight man in a way that like James does you know? And I love that Lee got the opportunity to go balls out this episode. He loved it. Lee is so good in this episode and his his physical comedy his like his drunk comedy. Lucas says, what did he yell at Luca's when he sat down? And what is it like to me? What the mouth? I tell

my God? And then Lucas goes, how many of those have you had? And he goes, including this one out? He is the best. I love that he got to do that. And Gi was back in this episode. Yes you got to see her for a minute. I wish they would give her something else to say at this obsession with like the sweet innocent girl being secretly naughty is really gross. The that's the deal. Teen year old girl says she's aroused, Okay, it's I would like there to be a line. Yeah, that's pretty gross. It's but

we're fine. Seeing her sweet face makes me happy and I'm really looking forward to seeing her storyline develops. Yeah. I just love what she's done with her career. You know, like she starts off being like the one line singer at fourteen years old on this you know, big ensemble thing and then becomes this goddess on yellows we need to be yellow Stone. Have you seen her lately with

this girl? I saw her on the red carpet the other day with like like a black silk dress with like some sheer panels in it, and I was like, get it, get it. Looks amazing. She's so such a still such a total sweetheart too. I just love her. Um what else, well, well, listen, Sophia called it in the middle of the episode where she was like, everyone's so cranky and so we laughed so hard. This episode is true. Everyone is just cranky, cranky. I love a

little cranky Rachel and Haley. Haley's cranky. Uh, oh my god, Brooke is cranky. Peyton's the only one who's not cranky for the first time. Maybe that's why I loved this episode. I mean, Peyton's always like slightly cranky, deep down, deep down. Yeah, but it is nice. It's nice to see you getting to be happy. And I don't know, it's it feels refreshing. It makes me sad knowing where it's going. Well, do

you think he is only happy when everyone else is miserable? Like, do you feel like she's like, yes, it's your turn, bitches. You guys can do it now. Finally, yeah, well, what's where is it going? What's happening in the next episode? Do we have a small little preview. I mean, we've seen Derek's Wall of weird. Have you guys had anyone in your life that you find out, like after the

fact is secretly a total creeper? Yeah? A couple. Really. Yeah, every once in a while you find out that someone that you think is super awesome is also like unhinged, and you're just like, oh cool, I'm really glad I let you into my room. Hum and my house and um. Lesson for the kids is, don't have a webcam not facing your bed. It's just a no, huge, huge no.

It's a no, guys, please don't. Okay. So, so Lucas, So what we're reading from our fabulous producers is that next episode, Lucas is going to start to notice how close Peyton and her brother are gadding, which again is just so weird um, and we saw a little bit of that, you know, like she brings Lucas is her protection in the very first scene, and he's pointing out like, oh, you guys are totally the same. You're totally the same. And I guess that's cued upuntil the point. But yeah,

they're really going for it right away. I think they were going to keep him around for much longer. We have a question. Let's answer some questions. Yeah, okay, is that Bertie? Yeah? Has Grant? They asked if Grant or jeff have seen the show? Seen One Tree Home. I feel like we answer this all the time. Yeah, we do. Um, well, Bertie, no, Uh.

There is a big running joke around here at Drama Queens that neither my husband nor Hillary's husband has seen a single episode of our show, and so we've been we've been sort of joking, and now we think maybe it would be hilarious if we started making Grant and Jeffrey watch it and they can do their own podcast. Tell us what you think. I don't know a bit of rivalry in our house because Jeff played I think Ben Mackenzie's dad in prison on the C like no, on the O C. From I don't know a couple

of I don't know the specifics. I just know that there are pictures flown around of him in a jumpsuit on the Let's See Who he Is? Show? And so maybe that rivalry is real. Maybe it has infiltrated itself into my domestic sphere. Jeffrey as Joe Zakowski. Who's Joe Zikowski on the Huh? I don't know. Maybe there's a fan that can fill me in as his wife, as his partner of thirteen years. I don't know. Well, all I'm hearing is that you've never seen him on it either,

which feels fair. He's got a sick beard. Hold on, I'm finding pictures. His hair's all dark. I would dated updated actors, and I don't like watching their I don't like them watching my work, and it feels a little uncomfortable watching their's because it just is like, unless it's something that, look at this, look at that. Wait, they're pulling it up on the screen right now. Amazing. Who is Sandy? Who's the character Sandy on the O C all.

The description I'm seeing is Sandy visited Joe Zakowski in prison. I mean his prison beard is really Yeah, I'd kissed that guy for sure. Listen, I'll watch his episodes of The o C if he watches my episodes and one real it significantly. Let's work on Yeah. Um, oh it's Adam Brody's dad. Oh that Sandy is Adam Brody's dad. So I guess Peter Gallagher was going to see Jeff. I mean, what a bad guy. Anyway, Anyway, we have another question, umu Aksha, I probably said that wrong. A

consha is asking sides friendships. What continues to bring you joy from the One Tree Hill experience? Well, this show does, certainly,

But I guess that's part of the friendship h question. Um, I guess it's the interaction with the fans, right, the people that still come up and tell us like what an impact the show made, or something that our character did or went through that mirrored something they were going through and helped them process it, or even just was a place of comfort for them to go h. Consistently, those those are great stories. I always love to hear that. It makes me happy to know that this show is

continuing to have that kind of an impact. I mean, as I have a toddler leaning on me, really pissed. I won't buire another game on the eye had I like that. I've got a record of six years where I was cool. Goddamn it. I was cool and the kids like like every parent on the planets, like I was cool once and I had fun once and neat clothes in trove a cloth car and it was before

you guys were around. And you may not believe me, but I'm awesome and I have I have a over a hundred episodes that I can make these old sunk asses sit down and watch. Hey, I was George, That's right, I was cool. That's so funny. Hillary, Maria somebody. Maria was with me the other day when somebody came up and they were like, I love johin Agents of Shields, and I said, oh, thank you so much. They walked away and she just looked at me like a fan and was like, you were on Agents of Shields. Yeah.

She's like, isn't that Marvel, Yes it is, And she just stared at me. I was like, what, He's like, cool. It's like, go go clean your room now. Yeah, wash those dishes, kid, that's right, just because I'm cool. That is so Listen, You've got a storage locker full of stuff that you like from the od AG experience. That's right, Yeah, I mean, gosh, I think now it is really this. It's being able to go back and re experience it.

You know. We I think we talked maybe last week or the week before about how, you know, by this point in the show, like we were getting made fun of on the soup and like it was it was weird because we were away, like we were gone. We didn't really know anything about what was happening out in

the world or how we were perceived. We were just kind of locked up in Wilmington's together and like you know, hearing that sometimes people were being mean and we were all going through pretty confusing things in our personal lives, and it it added, i think, to the confusion to

be isolated. So there's something really amazing about being able to go back and see what it really was together and we're home and we're like, we understand where we stand in the world in a different way than we did when we were when we were kids, and I'm really thankful for that. You know. Of course, it's cool when we go to the conventions and hear the stories and you know, we meet God I mean, we met

so many families on our tour. You know that that young girl we met, that fourteen year old girl whose mom was like, this is Sophia And I was like, I'm sorry, what you know? Are you for real? Like that's that's so cool, and and they're watching the show together, like that's all amazing. That is stuff. I was more

accustomed to the specialness of those interactions. Being able to do this with you guys, for us as individuals has been just like the coolest gift because it it really does feel like we get to own this thing we made in a way that we didn't before. Now I understand why the people who come up to us come up to us. Now I understand why we might have made such an impact on someone's life for twenty years that you know their kids are named Sophia or Joy

or peyton Brook. Like I get it in a way that I used to be flattered, and now I understand and that feels really special. Yes, I totally agree. Well, guys, thank you for joining us for this great episode. We had so much fun. Um and next week it's going to get real Harry real Dicey, So we'll get into that. We spinning a wheel. What are we doing? Oh shoot, yeah, let's spen aweel, we did a wheel? I forgot, give me the wheel? What do we got? Most likely? Too?

Most likely to survive a zombie apocalypse? I mean, Hilary, I think it's you. Yeah, I feel like it is. I feel like you have the most experience in that world. Let me just tell you. When the pandemic hit and everyone was freaking out about toilet paper, guess who didn't have that problem Because I am I got everything. I got water filtration systems. You know, I grew up with preppers, and so you're prepped. I'm so prepped. But who on the show? What character on the show is ready to handle?

That's good? I mean Deb? I feel like Deb is a real strong for that. Yes, Deb could like cauterize a wound, you know, like she's not afraid to do the gross stuff. Yeah. But also Dan is like a cockroach, like he can't kill him. The problem in the zombie apocalypse is that you develop relationships with people and then you can't put a spike in their head when they turn. And I feel like Dan and Deb wouldn't have that problem, Like they're like, oh, Nathan, you turned oops, you know

we're good. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, sweet sop. He's like, I don't know how I feel about that, Mike, No, I'm I'm digging it. I'm envisioning we never as many times as we jumped the shark. That is one shark that we left in the depths of the ocean. So it's one day, one day. I feel like there was a zombie episode. I know it's coming. Good nightmare. Yeah, we had an episode where we are dressed like zombies. We've got season four, Episode four next week. Can't stop

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