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You know how sometimes you don't even know what you need until you get it, and you're like, how was I getting by without this? And this is what this episode felt like to me. Oh, this episode was so much fun. I mean, listen, we got a lot to get into, so let me just break it down. It's season eight, episode twelve, The Drinks We Drank Last Night.
It aired January twenty fifth, twenty eleven. Synopsis reads, After a wild night out on the town for a bachelorreat party, Brook and the girls try to piece together the night before while looking for Brooks missing engagement ring, and dealing with the aftermath. The day of Brook and Julian's rehearsal, the girls at the bachelor at party take something from
Nathan's professor prompting Nathan to confront him. Also, a dog rides a skateboard directed by They Wanted Only Chad Graves, written by Shana Fuel.
Shana who moved on to Outlander, which we lost.
So good.
Okay, guys, this was so fun to watch because obviously I was so pregnant that I was hardly in the episode. I mean, I remember showing up for a couple of the like the search party moments that we did, and then I remember coming to the beach house and looking at the complete disarray that Hayley shows up in, and that was fun. But all of the partying stuff, all of the feather boa, like the bull riding, all of it I missed. I wasn't there, and it was so fun to watch. You guys did great.
It was such a blast. We had such a good time on this episode. And you know, when you're on your twelfth episode of the season, you're essentially halfway through. People are usually a little tired, and you know, the sleeplessness for six months is getting to you. And this episode, I mean, it was like a shot of adrenaline for us. It was so fun and so silly, and you know, whether it was dancing on the table at the frat house, or stealing the ice cream truck. I still don't know
where that came from. It's just it was sort of like Shana took the idea of the Hangover and ran with it for the girls, and I loved it.
Had the Hangover come out yet? I think it must have?
I think so, wasn't that two thousand and six?
Oh my gosh, did you actually just whip out the correct release here of the Hangover?
It was a total gut assumption. I will be amazed if I'm correct about that.
That's incredible. You're right two nine.
An upside down six. That's why my brain I'm just like it works all right.
So yeah, we had little inspiration perhaps from the Hangover. One thing I just sort of a general note about the whole episode that I so appreciated was no one was trying to look good. I say, it's about your comedy A lot joy that I see you go for it. You know, there's no vanity in comedy, at least there's no vanity in good comedy. And everyone really leaned into it and was not concerned with my angle? Do I
look okay? Is it was just everyone swung for the fences, and as a result, it is just so funny to see the physical comedy in this one was great.
Yeah, you nailed that. That's absolutely right. I didn't think about that until you just said it. But it's one of the main reasons why it works so well is that to have a room full of women and no vanity, that's exciting. That's really exciting to watch.
Well. And then the sort of BTS comedy that you don't see on screen is that instead of coming in you know, every third take, because we're in the South and everyone's sweating to give us touch ups, our hair and makeup team is actually coming in to make sure we look worse to you know, make sure this smeared lipstick is there, to make sure you know your hair's lopsided.
And it was really fun to get to do that because there was I mean, listen, the CW gets made fun of for it all the time, that everybody has to look good always, even if they're running from vampires or like, you know, underwater, and it's nice to be able to really lean into being a hot mess. Oh.
I don't think we ever would have done that the first few seasons. No way, we wouldn't. I don't think we would have been allowed to. They would have seen one day of dailies and been like reshoots.
Yeah, but speaking of the CW. Laughed out loud and have in my notes that that day spa is wall to wall hot masseurs, and I was like, this is the most c W. That's my note is this is the most c W day spa of all time.
Yes, only Alex could have arranged that.
There wasn't a dude over twenty eight, everyone had less than ten percent body fat, everyone had a good tan.
It was hilarious to me.
Yeah, it was like a calendar like audition for just like hot shirtless dudes.
It probably was.
It was so fun to have actual Alex, our friend from town, play one of the hot messewers who's telling Haley, oh, the drinks are perfectly safe and thank god you don't have any because you're pregnant.
Yeah. I forgot about Alex. I knew that guy looked so familiar, and I was like, I remember shooting this scene with him, Why is he is he just familiar because I remember that.
Moment that's my friend. Ah, so fun, so so funny.
I was kind of a little judge of Haley at first not drinking this movie. I was like, what's wrong with her? She just drank the smoothie. I forgot it's the whole device.
But the smoothies themselves were okay. It was just when you combined them with alcohol. Yes, Oh it was like a baking soda vinegar situation.
Yes, they were some sort of wellness tonic.
What the hell kind of smoothie can't be mixed with alcohol, That's what I want to know.
The unraveling of that with Alex is so good because she everyone looks at her like, what the hell was in those drinks? And she goes, I don't know. People get someone goes, what was in those energy drinks? And she goes, I don't know energy energy. You know. When in the room is satisfied with that answer, and she's like, I I'll go find out.
She had some great one liners, great moments in this episode. I feel like everybody really had their own, had their own unique moment, like Lisa getting the tattoo was so great, and her spinning around in circles trying to see her like a puppy and yeah, was great. And again, you know, she's so consistent with Alex Duprey's inconsistency that it's really endearing that you never know what you're going to get she Is she pulling a trick, is she being manipulative?
Is she being really sincere? I don't know at this point. I don't never know what to expect from her. But I really liked her vibe in this episode.
And that nice moment towards the end where it just sort of showed that she's she's not dumb and she's not totally unaware. When she's like, I know I got invited and that's okay, I just want to be around some friends, it was like, Oh, like you said, it's like she's consistently inconsistent, because that was a moment where I went, now that that's a person I can root for.
Yeah, she needs real friends, so she knows it at the root of it. That's why she's doing everything, which makes it consistent even in the inconsistency. And by the way, the fact that when somebody says who got a tattoo, everybody looks at different parts of their body. In the first place she goes is.
To the pants.
The opening scene with you So was so funny and my favorite part of it is like you're I think you're kind of just talking to yourself. You're like looking in the bathroom mirror, like what the hell just happened? And then from off camera we just hear shut up, and the camera pans over to nothing but the feet of miss Sharon Lawrence sticking out of the bathtub.
That was so.
Funny, and you're like, why, why the hell are you even here?
It was such a good moment that visual though of Sylvia just passed out, your feet kicking out. I loved.
I was thrown off a little though, because I thought and I went back to check, I was like, did we miss an episode in between the last one and this one? So I guess we had a hiatus or something because we you know, we didn't acknowledge the entire storm and the car accident and Brook almost dying. He's very dramatic. It was a lot to overlook.
Yeah, we don't have any of the post accident hospital stuff, I guess because we'd done so much of it with Quinn and Clay. But it was funny. The only mentioned is you joy when Haley's talking to Nathan and you go, she's just been through so much this year and he's like, yeah, that's it, that's it.
I know.
Know.
There were several kind of throwaway moments of recap stuff, like Alex saying, well, it's no secret I tried to kill myself so blah blah blah whatever she said. After that, I was like, whoa that is it's just kind of abrasive. I guess to just come right out with it. I mean, I guess if that's your experience, you can own it. How if you liked to, But it was it kind of struck me as aggressive. I don't know. And then what was the other one? Oh, Chantelle and she was like,
look it's me after I was shot. Remember the water balloon hits her and she's like, it's me shot. I was like, oh, that is really blunt.
I mean, okay, guess if you're not laughing, you're crying.
I think that's true.
I think so we grazed over all the trauma in this episode just so that we could get to the comedy.
Yeah, And you know, I have to say, because I had the same moment where I thought, I think Quinn's in the back of the car and there's a conversation happening and I just found myself going, wow, we've we haven't seen her talk to anyone about the like knockdown, drag out fight and she almost died with the stalker at that, Like, that's crazy. But I have to say, given the nature of this episode, I was okay with that. Yeah,
because I loved this ride. I appreciated that we didn't have to get off it to service any other past stories.
Yea.
It was just like, we're going to be fun for forty two minutes and that's all we're going to do. And that was great because truly, it has been so heavy like lately that it was nice to have like a palate cleanser of friends being friends and getting into trouble.
We didn't even bounce around to any different storyline. I mean, it was just this the whole episode.
Right, A little Nathan and Kellerman, Oh.
Nathan and kellermant so a little bit, but it all tied together in the yes, so it was really actually necessary. It wasn't like separated. Yeah. I really enjoyed that.
You two had a really funny bit in that kind of opening sequence when Brooke realizes there's a phone number written on her leg and Hayley does the most mom thing where she just reaches down and smudges it with her finger and she goes oh, and then puts her finger in her mouth to taste it and goes, oh, it's chocolate, and goes did you just taste that? And
you just so nonchalmly go eh, I'm pregnant. But it's also such a mom thing, right, because yeah, you become so desensitized to like having booger's vomit pee everything on you that it's like, what's a little questionable chocolate?
You know, yeah, like whatever this is, how bad could it be?
And honestly, major points for Dave Navarro. Dude, he really came to play and he was such a good sport and he was so funny and he really leaned in.
Yeah he did.
He got saddled with some horrible lines.
Yeah, I wrote down the one he says, like the first time we see him, and he when he's leaving clothes over bros. Because he's been locked in there. He's like a grown man who can't figure out how to get out anyways. He's uh, he he goes, Brooke, you were amazing. I can't remember the last time I busted through that many condoms in one night.
Oof.
Can you imagine like being you're gonna be a one episode guest star on a show you already are a public figure. And that's like when you first get the sides and you're excited and you read that line. I would love to know what day of Navara thought of that, because you know it's going to mean something else, but it's still just it's so heavy handed.
Yeah, gross, we needed it though. It was good. It was good for it was good for drama.
Well and the panic because he did it in a way that almost like in the sixth sense when you realize he's been dead the whole time and you go, oh my god, now now I'm seeing things I didn't see. He delivers the line. He doesn't play it really icky and creepy. He delivers it in this kind of excited, almost childish way, and you're like, oh, wow, okay, yeah he's a rock star. Oh boy, we're in trouble here.
And then when you realize they've had a water balloon fight, you're like, oh, the guy's just probably not had any innocent fun in such a long time. And it's so it makes the way he delivers the line work. When you realize what happened, it makes it work even better. And what a cool thing he was able to do because, like you said, Rob, he's a one episode guest star and he played against certain things you would expect the rock star guy to do. And I really give him props for that.
Yeah, it runs parallel to what I was saying about all of you women, that no one clung to any sense of vanity at all and just went all in on the comedy.
That's an easy especially, I.
Think if you're like a greener actor to be like, oh, this is the line where I say it like sexy or cool.
Well I'm gonna be like yeah, yeah.
And he, like you said, he didn't at all. He said it so nonchalantly that it worked. It's it's also it's just funny because like, there are so many ways to say, hey, I had a really fun time throwing water balloons with you last night. To say I've never busted through so many condoms in a night is just a crazy way to ray. But it's Dave.
Maybe that's just you know, that's how he sees the world.
The fact that you guys really did commit so hard to the comedy and the the vulnerability of being a mess on camera made the the real dramatic stuff work so well. Also that you know that, I mean, Sharon Lawrence carried this episode for me because you guys got to all be running around panicked and frantic, and and she was this like sort of driving force watching doing you know, I don't know if she was manipulating things necessarily, but she was having fun watching. You know, she never
doubted that you guys would find the ring. It was like she was kind of calm the whole time. And then when you guys got up on the roof and really started having it out, it was so raw and honest and open. And I don't know that that would have played as well if it had felt like there was anything else in the episode that was disingenuous, like
perfect hair, makeup and things like that. So it really I think that's actually what made the episode so great for me, was the fact that you went so hard on the comedy that the drama also could really drop in and be really connected and real. It made me emotional watching those scenes because I was already so invested, and you know, when your emotions are high, whether you're
crying or laughing, they're still high. So it's actually not that far of of a connecting point to get to the opposite motion.
Hm. The ending of that, you guys yelling at each other, that gut punch about the well you're not gonna be able to give my son a family, it was like, yeah, that's about as low as you can hit man, And going back to the like just the commitment of it. Can we just pause and appreciate for a moment that we wrote Sharon Lawrence doing a keg stand into a script.
She did it, and she did it?
Did it National Treasure? Sharon Lawrence was doing a keg stand you guys.
Yes, yes, incredible that that cut from all of us dancing on the table over to her. I was like, take a sip of water and literally did a spittake in my own house, unwitnessed, but I was like, oh my god, it shocked me in the best way. And I think what I loved about it is you see Brooke and Sylvia kind of at war and trying to figure out how to relate to each other, and in that way, some of the stuff that we know has made Sylvia so sad it almost feels even better that
she's there. You know, Brook's like, why are you here? And Sylvia says, you asked me, you invited me. You know, they're trying to piece it all together, and watching her in that sort of montage with the girls, I felt like I got to see Sylvia have an experience that she didn't get to have when she was younger. Yeah, you know, she's lonely and she got to be one
of the girls for the night. And in a weird way, Sylvia and Alex Duprey are kind of having similar experiences and even though there's been tension or might be tension, they really are still being welcomed in for who they are, and it's so fun to see it. And it's really seeing her and Brooke bonding and realizing that they have
these things to share with each other. It makes that gut punch at the end even worse because it's like, oh my god, they finally got somewhere real, even though they blacked out.
Yeah, and you were guys, were building on your relationships so much throughout the whole episode.
Also, I don't know how I've made it forty three years and I have never heard the term smother in law. I know, that's so good.
It's so good. I mean, speaking of the phone, that scene her seeing smother in law, and then Sharon and Austin's whole misdirection with each other, his physical comedy in that beat, the way he leaps up out of that bed and is like, mom.
Oh that moment, Oh my god, yes, which moment when he calls U Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's so terrible. I might have to misbathe by myself. I was like, no, don't, don't care. It was just so good, and it is. It just plays on that universal thing that no matter how old you are, no matter how married you get, no matter what, your parents are still your parents, and you just don't you don't really want to have that conversation with that.
Oh her expression. I mean, honestly, you could just put a camera on her face for an hour and because she's always thinking, you know, she's always thinking something.
And then you get to the end of it and she looks at me and goes, she'll give you a ring later, right, Just all of it was chef's kiss.
Her advice to Brooke is so funny.
After Dave Navarro has done a lord's work and said some of those brutal lines and then leaves. You know, Brooke is devastated, and Sylvia is there to it. Sort of initially seems like, oh, this is going to be a really sweet bonding moment where she's going to take her under her wing and give her some nice, loving wisdom. And her advice is, honey, just don't tell Julian. Yeah, like, oh my god, that's horrible advice. And look almost so sincere. She was so sincere. It was so good.
You can see that. I guess that's a difference in generations, right like that. Maybe I don't know, but I feel like in that generation there's a lot of sweeping things under the rug, a lot of just you know, life is hard enough, just keep going, just don't talk about it. But also look where she is in her life and lonely, And I love what Brooke says back about marriage being
about people loving each other for who they are. And the confession that she gives to Julian at the end was so heartbreak and I'm so so glad that it turned out the way that it did.
I think it is definitely a generational divide, and I was really I was glad to see that even though it's I mean, listen, in my opinion, it's not the right advice. I was both glad to see Sylvia try to have Brooks back, even though it's you go like, no, that's not what you're going to tell her that, But you know why because Sylvia doesn't remember anything that happened last night either, and you know, everyone's kind of like, oh god, you know that's not real life. But it's
making excuses. And I love that Brooke is a person maybe because she's been through so much who just says I don't want to make excuses and I don't want to hide anything. Yeah, And that's something that I really, I don't know. I cherish that in people, and it was nice to see her say, no matter how hard this is, I want to just tell this person what happened, what I know, what I don't know. I don't want this to sit between us.
There's a version of Brooke earlier that wouldn't have made that choice. And I really that's the beauty of being on a show for this long as you really get to watch these characters develop and grow. And I love where she is, that she's at that place now, so beautiful.
Yeah, it's an integrity move, which has sort of been the brand of Brooke, at least since I've jumped on the train, you know for sure, because yeah, that's character, Like yeah, what people don't know doesn't hurt them, but it's like but you know, but.
You know, and it hurts you eventually, like just eating away at you.
Well that's the thing. I think you can say that, but then that thing is just going to fester always. Ooh, and it's like I don't I don't want to live a festery life. That's not the word I want to describe my life with.
Yeah. It's not respectful, it's not loving, yeah, because you're not protecting someone. You're protecting your own comfort. That's what you're protecting. Yeah, you know, you are avoiding potentially making someone upset and ruining something you love, So you're really it's kind of it's just a selfish move that you know, people found a nice way to word around. But like, don't be virtuous like you doing that's not virtuous. It's you being selfish and not being brave.
Yeah that's right. Okay, let me ask though, I have never been blackout drunk where I really don't remember anything I don't know if you guys have, but when Brooke was really freaked out about kissing this guy, for me, I was like, oh, free pass. Like she was totally blacked out. How could she ever remember? Like, you don't know what you're doing when you're blacked out. Why is she so upset about this? I don't know. That was my That was my knee jerk reaction. I was like,
I mean, I guess I would be. I'd be upset that my partner got that drunk or but then you're like, but somebody did, Like this was an accident. It's not like guy went out and intentionally binge drank until a.
Yeah, like that doesn't take like bying tequila shots to black out.
Now, that's a different issue.
Here's the thing that I think, and I actually do think, even though the episode was rooted in so much comedy, we did a good job with this. I think the thing that's the most disconcerting is that she doesn't know what happened, not know what's happened to you.
It's so scary, so scary.
And I really think there's something in that, because then you're going, did I even though I know I wasn't in a place where I could have chosen it. Did I somehow choose it? Did it happen to me? And I didn't choose it? And then that's also awful, like and so I think it's the not knowing and the idea that in a block of time that you cannot recall,
you might have hurt someone you love. Like it's scary thing on scary thing on scary thing, and that felt so important to be sort of rooted in, and then the comedy got to build around it of this essentially a scavenger hunt and reverse. Yeah, we'll go to the tattoo shop, we'll figure out where the piercing came from. Wait, she came in here with the nickname Boots, So where were we before? And it just keeps going and it's so funny. But I like that the root of the comedy is a true thing.
Yeah, super important for Brook to live in that space for sure, of the insecurity of not knowing what happened and what's going to happen as a result of what happened. I think, just as an objective viewer, there was no world in which I thought Julian would blame her for that because she didn't do with this on purpose, right, I don't know. I was curious what you guys might.
I don't know.
Yes, And is because is it did an excuse to go.
I just got really drunk. It's like, but she didn't.
She just did a normal amount of drinking where you could still be like, although she did, it's like she recognized Julian.
Yes, she didn't. She didn't remember things like. That's not that's.
Because of the smoothie. She was ambushed.
She accidentally drugged herself smoothie ambushed.
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's kind of six of one, half a dozen of the other, right where it's like you you don't exactly get a pass, but you also can't be completely punished.
Yeah, it's not like it's nothing like oh well whatever. But if I had a partner that came to me and said, you're never gonna believe what happened. Look, I blacked out, I drank something that and I had some alcohol and I didn't I don't know what happened, but I guess I kissed somebody at the bar last night. But I literally have no memory of anything that happened. And I wasn't out like binge drinking.
Well, it makes my tummy flip. I hate it. Really.
Yeah. I think here's the thing. If if there's a genuine like chemo reaction that wasn't planned and had merit, That's one thing I thought you were just saying. If your partner came home and was like, I'm sorry, I got a little blackout drunk and I kissed someone, there's no free pass in there.
No no, no, no no.
Yeah.
If it is the accidental drugging of oneself, yes, it muddies the way.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yes, no, no free pass on blackout drunk, I made out with somebody, It's like, no, no, thank you. I choose not to have this in my life.
Here's what I think is tricky. We watched the episode so we know all of this was harmless, and then we know it turned out to be Julian in the first place.
I had forgotten that.
And because we watched the girls and we know these girls and we're like, there was no mal intent here, I think we're more likely to give them a pass.
Yeah.
I think if this happened to you in your real life, you would be hurt.
I would be upset. You know, and I also be like, what the hell, Like, you got drugged by a smoothie?
What?
Yeah, It's like it's tricky, and I think that's part of it. I think it's part of the reason why people that are involved in something can say and mean it it wasn't like that. We didn't realize and then everybody blacked out and and you'll go, oh, okay, But if if you heard about this through the grapevine, like a friend of a friend's sister, you'd be like, what the that's not okay. So we we give more of a pass to the people that we know because we
know what kind of people they are. And I think it's why people judge strangers so intensely, because maybe you're judging strangers as you are and not as they are, and that that's part of the thing with TV. I think, because you you get to know a character, you know their heart, you know their moral compass, you see them
as more of a whole person. And so I'm realizing as we're sitting here and we're like, yeah, but how great, and she was right and good for them, and it's like, yeah, if we heard this about a stranger, we'd probably be way less patient.
Oh yeah, if a buddy came to me and went like, ah, yeah, the new girl on dating, I guess she had a bad smoothie that reacted to some booze she drank, and she made out with a dude at the bar. There's just no way in hell im going that's unfortunate. Man, you should cut her some slack. Like that sounds so outlined.
But isn't that crazy because it could literally be this exact situation and if you'd watched the episode, you'd be like, oh no, absolutely not. Nothing bad happened those poor girls. How funny. This'll be a great story in ten years. And that's what's so funny to me is we I think we give more of a pass, you know, to the characters because we actually watch it happen and we know they're good people, which ironically is true of people
in the world. Usually I would hope that they're good people, but we're so like that sounds real far fetched.
Well, also because it's TV and we're not logic proofing everything, because the fact is, I don't know if any vegetables or fruits that when combined with alcohol make you blackout, like unless they put a little like Benadryll in your smoothie exactly.
Don't understand the chemistry of that.
A Valerian room, and there probably isn't any right a Valerian root. Yeah, it's so funny. You do in order to be a viewer, you have to be willing to suspend disbelief, and that's part of what makes it kind of fun.
The moment when Alex falls off the bowl and there's that little I sort of took as an homage to Million Dollar Baby because it's just that close up of her falling off and hitting the railing with her head in a terrible angle.
But then, of course, because then she falls out of frame and it's like it's very million dollar Baby. But then of course she does the alexy and she's like she pops up and she's like, yeah, it was so funny. I just I thought that was a little wink and I just I enjoyed the heck out of that.
Yeah, great that. I've never ridden a mechanical bull, have you. I mean, how did that go for you? You guys have done that?
Yes, the famous Saddle Ranch in La.
Yeah, I lived right there. I used to live right behind it.
There's only so many ways you can impress a gal, and sometimes you just got to get up on that mechanical bowl and show her what you think you're made of.
Did they have speed control on that when they were filming this episode for you guys, I'm sure totally. Okay. I don't know how it goes. If it's like a ride that just goes at its own, you never know what to expect.
It has levels, Okay, someone manning the controls. So if you show up and like you're cocky, you are gonna get bucked in a big way.
Yeah.
Whereas if it's like someone puts the Grandma on it, they can be very gentle with it and make sure she doesn't, you know, hurt herself.
Okay, was this a carnival job you had at one time?
Rub listen, don't get into my history.
Yes, yes, I did the tilta whirl and I did the mechanical bowl. I love that for you.
I don't know why I've never done it. I think I just don't like the idea of getting thrown off of something that doesn't sound super fun.
It's so fun, though, I guess I'll land in like a bounce house type flooring. So yeah, it's a fun one.
Joy.
I think it would be funny though, that the first time you did it would be like once you're a mom in my forties, like yeah, yeah, I wasn't going to date you, but yeah, sure in your forties. I think that would be hilarious that you're like, nah, in my twenties and I don't think so thirties, forties.
Now it feels right now, now it's time. Yeah, I'm due, I'm overdue. I'm in all right, I'll send you a photo from the Bull.
Yes please. It is really fun to play games and do kid things as an adult. I think that's why the water balloon fight is so fun. Yeah, and they you know, there's nowhere in the middle of the night to get water balloons, so they've clearly gone to a gas station and bought a box of condoms. And I love that it's all these girls in these feather bow is, screaming in their party outfits, playing this water balloon fight
so aggressively. It looks like a game of paintball. Yeah, and it is just it's so fun that everybody really went like the bull full tilt.
Hey, who was the crew member? Because little bts here?
Yeah, the gentleman eating wings with Sylvia and the wing eating contest.
Yes, was member of our crew. Was he a transpo captain?
Yes, who either was employed as or was a volunteer firefighter if I remember erectly, Yeah, because he remember he'd come in his fire jacket sometimes.
He was a big dude, a big dude.
And to see those two side by side pounding wings together and have Sharon Wynne was so good.
The tie in for her mouth being on fire. We had to wait like forty minutes into the episode to find out why it's so good?
What is that? And I loved in this walk and talk with these two girls, by the way, in full walk of shame but shameless walking barefoot down Front Street together. You know, Sharon has this really sweet bit about how she's never won anything and she's thanking Brook for this great night because now she's champion.
Yeah, it's so sweet, just so sweet.
Did you either of you clock the fact that when Brooke finally comes home towards the end of the episode and Julian's waiting for her, he's stretched out on the couch and his feet are up and he's wearing shoes.
Oh everybody does that? On this show. What time?
Didn't none of it? I mean, did we just not push back on that? Were we just a busy day? But those are your outside shoes. You have your feed up on the pillows, the throw pillows. Uh huh.
Yeah, it's such an indicator that those shoes were never actually worn outside.
Yeah, it's an indicator of being on a set and that the shoes were never actually worn outside. That you feel you just to subconsciously feel so comfortable because you're like, no, that's pretty clean.
Yeah. Well, and in my brain, you know, he's ready to go, they've got their rehearsal. I don't know. Maybe it was meant to show that she's late. I don't know, but yeah, every time everybody puts their freaking shoes on the furniture in the show.
It's strange. I did love the reveal of when you get to the church and it's decorated beautifully that it was Haley and Sylvia. Yeah, because first of all, Hailey's obviously quite pregnant as we know, just that's good friending. And then that Sylvia did that, it gave it just was the perfect setup for the repair that you two have.
It's kind of this cool thing I was thinking about, Like, I love I love that she invited herself to the party because it's sort of like you both want a relationship and it's just not lining up right, but you're both continuing to show up and push the buttons until
you figure it out. Like no one dipped out, like she could have just skipped down your left, but like she forced herself back in and then it finally created the right time for you guys to like really drop it all, you know, have a heart to heart and like bond, which was great because like I so want that for a Brooke and for Sylvia.
Yeah. Yeah, the level of humility that it required from Sylvia in particular to be able to set aside all of the things that she came in with, all the ideas that she came in with about the wedding and about their relationship and who Brooke was going to be to her, that she was able to set all of that down and just continue to show up for her
regardless of what her expectations were or desires. I love that. Again, just like watching character growth, watching someone develop from who they were when we met them, even in this short amount of time, to see Sylvia grow like that. That was really sweet seeing her in the church. And she wasn't rubbing it in Brook's face. She wasn't like, if only you had known that I was doing these nice things for you this whole time. She didn't do any of that. She was just there.
Yeah. Well, and I think that might be part of why the big fight between them services that moment, right, because for Sylvia to say what she said is so awful. Yeah, and I think that if that kind of outburst doesn't cause self reflection and for you to, for any human to do that, you've got to be able to say, Okay, I've clearly lost the plot a little bit here. Yeah, I'm being triggered by something or I'm being absolutely unhinged.
And I thought that the circle back for them with Sylvia saying, I'm essentially saying I'm so stuck in the past that I can't be in the present. I'm missing my whole life. It's a big lesson, it's a big vulnerability, and I think in an interesting way, each of those women knows what that means and they both want to
move forward. Yeah, you know, Broke references it a little bit with you know, the Lucas and Peyton of it all earlier in the episode, and when you think about how many years Brooke didn't let anyone in because she didn't want to get hurt again, the circumstances are different,
but she knows what Sylvia is talking about. And in a way, I think it had to be these two women who could help each other kind of get to the next phase of their lives, because in this instance, Sylvia is helping Brook, you know, except that her best friend is never going to move home and that's hard.
And you know, asterisk on that selks that you know they were behind the scenes politics because at the time we were told that our friends who played those characters were invited back for this episode and turned it down, and you know, all this time. Yeah, and I remember even at the time hearing that, and like, you know, our shooting schedules were so crazy and whatnot. And I knew if I knew that wasn't true, I'd be so upset.
So I didn't ask Hillary until like a couple of weeks after we filmed the wedding if that was true. I was like, Hey, I just want to know. I won't say anything, and you know, we didn't we didn't talk about it, probably for years, but like even even then, I was like, oh, I'm really sad if this isn't true. I'd rather think they were going to come and then were unavailable because of other things they're shooting. Yeah, then think that the grown ups in the room are so
petty they're not even going to be invited. Yeah, And like it's interesting that in a way we were processing something on camera that we were processing off too, you know.
And I think it's another example of brooks integrity and her just high roading the hell out of the situation because I mean, look at what was said right, Like what she threw in Sylvia's face is the truth, So it wasn't me Listen, the way she delivered the message was kind of devoid of compassion, but she was speaking to a behavioral choice. And what Sylvia did was cruel. She attacked something that's out of Brooks control. There's nothing actionable for Brooke to do there.
It was a very very mean thing to do. So I think her decorating the church was a nice gesture in the right direction. I think where to me, where I really saw grace was in how Brooke handled it. That was the appropriate move for Sylvia to begin a repair, and I think to see Brooke be able to accept it.
That was where I saw the grace.
In the scene, because she, to me, was the one who really got really really wronged.
Yeah, that's a nice observation, Rob. I'm listening to you talk thinking, God, I'm just so glad Rob is a dad. It's really glad you're raising kids to have good men in our corner that want to really analyze emotions and things. Is like, that's so nice.
I'm so glad that the camera doesn't pan over right now and you see my three year old drinking mountain dew and lighting fireworks off by himself. So let's just stick with that narrative. You've got to keep the frame right here. Okay. I appreciate it, and I liked I liked the button on the end of it all with Haley being asked to be the maid of honor.
Yeah, yeah, so sweet.
She's the one who showed up.
Yeah. And it has been a really sort of special amount of time, right, you get we've gotten all of our season seven, we've gotten half of our season eight to get to see Brooke and Haley's friendship. Not that it wasn't there before. It's always been you know, since since we became friends early. It's been a great relationship. But I think for both of these women who've been juggling a lot and going through a lot in these last two years, let's call it to have a moment.
It sort of was like, Oh, it's the first moment where they've really gotten to pause and talk about their friendship because they've been so busy living it.
Yeah, and it felt out fires Yeah.
Yeah, I really like they've had so much going on and it was just it wasn't even a long scene. But I loved that we got to have it, and I like that we were up in that balcony kind of removed from everything.
Yeah, you know that quote. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. If they wanted to, they would have you heard that one. Yes, sort of all over like the Instagram therapy and stuff. But I love it because it's true, right, because I will I am guilty of giving people infinite benefits of the doubt and creating a story as to why they weren't able to do the thing or whatever, you know. And I like this because it's like Haley wanted to and she did. Yeah, she
didn't talk about it. She just showed up for her friend.
Yeah, that's so awesome. What a terrific like act of love is. Just like, I see you, buddy, I'm here to make your day special. Didn't make big fan fair about it, just quietly doing work.
Yeah that's great. I appreciate that.
It's so nice. It is really nice.
All right. We got a question here.
Hey, nickname Katy Perry. That's cute.
Can we just pretend it's the real Katy Perry?
Yes?
Please, let's pretend it's the real Katy Perry.
Okay, Joey take it away.
Okay. We learned in this episode that the Bachelor Bachelorette parties are on December seventh, because of the T shirt revealing the tour dates. Oh look at that little detail. They almost that nugget. However, there are no Christmas decorations and anyone's homes in anyone's homes or the stores or the town. Was this an oversight or why was December seventh chosen as the wedding date?
I do not know.
Can I just tell you, Katy Perry, you know the musical genius I kissed a girl all the other songs we know and love. You pay such good attention to detail. Just yes, besides your musical prowess, like you're a great viewer, So thank you.
I'm really impressed by this question. I didn't notice any of that.
The only thing I could think is was that an actual tour shirt of Dave Navarro's Because if it was, then it was just because that was the Oh wait, no, but that band didn't go to Wilmington, right.
No, definitely not because we had to make a.
True Oh yeah, Tree Hill? What am I saying?
Yeah? Yeah, so they had to make that. And when did this stuff air?
Though?
I guess this is after hiatus, so we would have aired this in December for fans. Well, I don't know, because it says up here, okay, when was the aired January twenty fifth.
Weird, that just seems like an oversight.
We might have had to film this before our holiday break. So yeah, I wonder I wonder if it was an actual James Addiction shirt and maybe they just ironed Tree over another city.
I wonder if the art department was if we were actually filming on December seventh, that like that was the day they were making the T shirt and they were realized.
Yes, it was like an a December seventh.
I guess who knows. I don't know. We never did any holiday anything on our show.
No, we only did Thanksgiving and Halloween.
That's right, what are you doing?
Christmas episodes are so much fun?
Guys?
The only one who loves a Christmas episode?
Oh yeah, I love it.
I feel like the reason we didn't is because the decorations are so expensive and they have to go up all over town and inside homes and outside homes and across the street, like, you know, with the things that I just think they wouldn't have spent the money for an episode. It's like, that's why people make Christmas movies because the entire movie, the decorations are up the whole time, so it's worth the money.
But we could have done a what do they call it a bottle episode? A capsule episode, Yeah, where it's just all in one place.
And you know, yeah, you could have decorated one block of Front Street and had us all at Nathan and Haley's again or something.
Yeah, missed opportunity. We have a Valentine's one coming up apparently, though.
That's kind of we do what we sure do. Oh, and Jamie did.
Create that Christmas for Lydia when she died. He created that little like Christmas tree Christmas in July.
Let's be honest, he half asked it.
It was.
Five year old year old.
Honorable mention most likely too, what do we do want to do? First?
Dog on a skateboard? He was professional.
Skateboard Oh my goodness. Honestly, I would give my honorable mention to all of our background actors in this episode, because the parties wouldn't have worked if they weren't all so great, from the frat boys to the people at the Mechanical bull bar, everybody doing the wings, even the lovely girl who played the bartender when I'm freaking out about how I kissed someone because I'm engaged, and she goes, yeah,
you told me like a million times. Everybody was so good, and you just can't shoot an episode that relies on a crowd without a great crowd. So hats off to all the people who helped make us look nuts this week.
Yeah, can anyone else noticed that the frat house was Delta Beta dB. I was like, was that a joke? Because frat boys are often douchebags?
Oh or is.
It just because it's it's just not a real fraternity and they just made it up paphazardly. But I was curious to see the way they portrayed the guys because if they were real dingises, I'd be like, oh, shanea good one.
But that's funny, funny.
We should ask her da Vinci codes something that's not there.
My honorable mention is just going to go to Shana, the writer of the episode, because she just nailed it and all the little details every character had their shining moment. She wove in the drama and the comedy so masterfully. It was a really really well written episode from top to bottom.
Yeah.
Yeah, should we spin a wheel?
Let's do it spin.
Ooh. Most likely to order dessert before dinner, Rob, Yeah, if we're going real life.
Robert Butler, Ladies and gentlemen, yeah, I have.
I have zero impulse control around food, So I'm going to say, in real life, it's probably me.
And what would your dessert of choice be, sir?
Listen if it's a place that makes a legitimate surero say no more. How about you. You're at a restaurant, they go, hey, we have an amazing pastry chef. We can make anything in the world immediately. What would you like anything immediately?
Yep. Oh man, it's like a food genie, but you only get one wish and it has to be dessert.
So I had an answer, and then when you said anything in the world immediately, a chocolate crepe popped into my head. I change my answer to a creep.
Okay, I really like pavlova.
Oh, Mavlova is good.
You're up in Portland, do you go to Papa Hayden Ever? No, Okay, there's a restaurant there unless it's close during COVID. It's called Papa Hayden and they do unbelievable desserts and they do this really great. They have like a baked Alaska. They have pavlova.
Stay less.
Well, you'll go, You'll enjoy it. You'll go, you'll enjoy get the pavlova.
Well getting as usual, I managed to force food into the episode, so I think that checks the last of our boxes. Thanks for joining us, everyone.
Thanks everybody. We'll see you next week for season eight, episode thirteen, The Other half of Me.
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