Clothes Over Bros • EP309

joy lens Is home decor. I just shared my screen and we're just trying to decide on a black and white checkerboard floor. Does it go diagonally or does it go straight? And you know it could work in either environment. It just depends on what it is. But it's true the girls are voting for diagonal when all else fails. Sophia Bush hughes because she's right thanks twenty steps ahead and knows exactly what the room is gonna look like

when it's fully finished. And Ino, I just think a lot about shapes, like and I've come to learn that there are certain things you can do with shapes that are calming and certain things you can do with shapes that are very stressful, and as an anxious person with like not a small amount of O. C D, I tend to really lean toward the calming options. I love this.

I'm gonna I'm just I don't, like I said, the problem is I know how busy you are and I don't want to continually blow which she's just like brushing her teeth. She's going to be like, solve this problem. Here's another problem. Like my my like insomnia moment therapy is to get on Pinterest and decorate homes that to be clear, I don't own, but I'm like, if I lived in Upstate New York, this is what my house

would look like. It's calming for me. Well that's like the perfect segue into this episode, because ladies and gentlemen. In this episode, Brooke Davis has a huge falling out with Lucas. Scott decides to on your own clothing label, Um gets all the materials for said clothing label, creates said clothing label, puts on a fashion show, and then realize she's still pretty sad about Lucas. All in like four hours. I genuinely was like, when did I have time to go to Joanne Fabric, Like, yeah, when was

there time for any of this? Do you know how long it takes to Like, I'm not a great sewer, Hillary, You're probably better on the machine than I am. But I mean, do you guys know how long it takes to sew a garment? And like fittings and and you did with how many you hit all the cheerleaders there? I mean how many things? I mean just the dress Bevin was wearing was so complicated. Yeah, she had like

a cute little vintage I just loved that. Like clearly boys wrote this because they're like, yeah, she could just like staple it together. We're just gonna hot glue this dress. Well okay, let me let's tell everybody screaped t shirts, tank talks baseballs and and zip up sweatshirts. Like it really is incredible all in the time that like Nathan and Chris Keller just played poker. Yeah. Oh, and don't

forget Joy Haley and Brook also built the website. So not only is this the moment where the idea of clothes over bros crystallizes in the only fist pump I have ever found to be adorable on television, but we launched eighteen verticals of business. Well everybody like six hours Yeah, still laying in bed. You guys give him the run. Everybody else Okay, Yeah, let's just here's the basic rundown. It's season three, episode nine, How a Resurrection Really Feels?

Air date December seven and five, So the results are in for tree Hill. Mayor Lucas comes to the rescue after Haley, Brooke, and Peyton are arrested. Totally forgot we went to jail. It's so funny. Clothes over bros Is born. After Haley convinces Brooke to do something for herself to cheer herself up. Peyton's angel of death visits her in her dreams. Nathan and Chris go on a super fun poker road trip to win back his studio money. We find out who tried to kill Dan in the fire.

Brooks feelings are revealed to Lucas while she gives him her summer letters and uh, and then there's some new stuff with Nathan and Haley as well. They finally find their way back to each other. It's a big episode. A love happened in this episode. Yeah, and it was all random, but in the greatest way. You know, I feel like we've been watching some episodes that have felt a little codgepodge and like where are we going and why?

What's happening and what's the point. This all felt like all the random stuff really came together in a super cohesive, fun way. A lot of like nuggets got dropped in this episode, and that's what I liked because I could see where some things were going and it was like, oh, this is a seed planting episode. I love that we start off being arrested, like that is an iconic thing that I was like, I know, we got arrested. I

can't remember for what was there? Wait? Was there an actual shot in this episode of us getting our mug shots? Like the snaps of our photos mugshot photos opens, isn't it at the end of the last episode. I have seen those photos out there, and I have never I did not see it in the episode, So I'm confused. I'm confused scene because I'm upset and Enjoy You're upset and Hillary you're laughing. Yeah, like fans ask us to recreate that picture at conventions. I know. Yeah, Wait, did

that wind up in a deleted scene? Because we have seen God, what what verbige. We've seen the scene. I know we've I know we've watched it. Do we go to I wonder if it's like a deleted scene in the in the season, or is it it was at the end of the last episode like in the credits. Did we miss it? I don't know. Maybe I was just like peeling an orange now and look down and

didn't notice it. I just didn't see it. No, surely, because listen, my hair changed every season, and I definitively know that I had the Bob when we got arrested and did that. You had the Bob. I had the banks Enjoy. You had the really long blonde hair. Yeah, it's it's it's for this, all right. Somebody's going to have to do some sleuthing for us, um and someone needs to make us like an oil painting of us and orange jumpsuits because oil painting. John Broceo to make

an oil paint to have back. If I could get like a ten inch by five inch oil painting, it's the perfect little red single of us with our mug shot, I would die for that, honestly. That's like, okay, all right, you are seeing kids out there. We love your art. Matters. We want mug shots. Um, yeah, that was super cute, and Lucas, you know, where should we start? Where do we like? Where? There's so much to go through, We're

gonna be pinballing on. We want to do this chronologically because Luke is picking us up and then being a dick to Brooke at the beginning of the episode is like, I I liked that the audience is reminded early on of all the things that he's upset about, because if he were just being upset to be like a brutie teenage boy, I'd be like, whoa hold your horses, kid, But he brings up um, he brings up the Halloween costume thing and the you know friends would benefits thing,

and then he brings up a whole laundry list of stuff that has really hurt his feelings. And that's his justification for being like you could sit jail for ten minutes longer and I'm not going to talk to you. And yeah, I mean I get it. I get why he's upset, but I don't it's not fun to watch. It's still like, well, I think he's just in the zone. He's in the zone of being kind of pouty, which

I think he's been doing for a while. But and we were talking about that in the last episode of boys talking to their moms and saying, like, none of the girls like me, and you know, I'm just like, he's potty right now. So I don't know. I I think I think the double standard that he holds Brooke two is pretty insane and ridiculous, or that he has for himself that he's not holding. I don't know whatever, you know what I'm trying to say, No totally. I mean,

we talked about it. You know, it's funny we're talking about going chronologically, but I feel like we're sort of in these buckets of experience. And when we got further into the episode and there's the scene between Lucas and Brook and she's really trying to open up and explain how afraid she's been to you know, be vulnerable with him and to give him a chance because of how much she was hurt. And he's so you know, he's

written to just be so terrible. He's he's so mean, and she says, I knew it was going to be bad, but this is worse. I Mean, he calls her a skank, It's like, and I know we've belabored this point, you guys, but the three of us were just cringing because we were like grown men wrote this stuff and it models this idea that nothing boys do is ever their fault and it's all fine and they're figuring out who they are.

But if girls make mistakes or experiment or you know, do anything, they by the way, might even regret after the fact, we're just going to call him horrors. We were just like, oh, yeah, after what, how Lucas has been you know, messing around all over the place, not just with Emmanuel, but you know, the whole thing with Rachel and then also just you know, being with Peyton while he was dating Brooke. It's like the fact that you know, he and Brooke were on good, friendly terms,

they were doing fine. She had forgiven him, you know, and it was all okay. And now Brooke has a moment with Chris, which is none of Lucas's business because they're not together, and he broke into her apartment to see it. It's not like she was out at a club like sucking face with Chris Keller in front of people. She was in the incredible One night Stand and it wasn't his business. Yeah, yeah, he would have never known if he hadn't been a creeper and broke into the place.

Is Lucas being like Dan in this episode just showing up in people's houses? Why was Karen's house? That was so weird? And Redley addressed it and she seemed so normal about it. She was like, oh, good morning when she walked in the room. I genuinely must be dreaming because Payton is dreaming Pengel. So I was like, oh, it must be like this is a Karen nightmare. Dan is in Karen's house. It's a dream. And then Nary is messing with the VCR, Like how did they never

explain why he was there? Did you just come up with Pagel or has that been a thing? That's the thing? It is angel. Dan Scott is Karen's Pengel, just like, yeah, the literal haunting in her in her brain that feels right, the voice that tells you all the things you don't want to hear Dan Scott. Oh got you can't kill Dan Scott and the whole guy, the whole Dan Scott thing.

I there was a the time on the show where they balanced him where we thought perhaps there was like a little boy in there that that needed healing and things had gone terribly wrong for and now it's just this like you know, cartoon villain where they don't let him have any moments of reprieve. And it's exhausting watch

that stuff. It is, but it also feels so oddly honest when we were talking about watching him run this campaign and going we see literal elected officials who behave exactly like, Yeah, I didn't realize what a sort of powerful social commentary it was on that that certain brand of narcissism and a desire for control that does run for office, and which I think it's Jim Jordan's for sure.

He finds me a lot of Ted Crews, Scott. He this whole idea of like I'm just a broken man and you're watching me and I'm going to grow with you. It's like no Boston were show up ready to do the job. Yeah that's right. But he is interesting, isn't it? How people? It was such a wild things look at, you know, from from today's moment looking back, not only you know these big election signs that say row all over the Oh my god, I'm like I literally have chills.

But you know, people often do begrudge women who run for office. They don't love it when like women are quote unquote you know, climbing up the power ladder. And here's a guy who beat up his kid at school in front of all the other kids, and all he has to do is say, you know, I've made mistakes, but I'm really trying, and everyone goes, we relate to him. It's so it's accurate for the time. I mean, I

feel like I don't. I don't know if that narrative still exists now where I think people are a lot more excited to see women climbing ladders and and being in powerful now, yeah, they were more excited, but women face threat Like we just saw this where you know, everyone made a whole big deal about how justice calv know had to oh Heaven forbid and clutched my pearls leave a dinner before he had cake because there were protesters outside, peaceful protesters who he never even saw or

spoke to, and AOC got assaulted on the steps of Congress Representative Jaia Paul had a guy outside her house with a gun threatening to murder her. Like there's actually

a female reporter. I retweeted her threat and it was every violent death threat that like an elected woman has gotten that hasn't gotten any front page news, but like, oh, we couldn't need cake, And I was like, man, So, while I do think that we should be celebrating yes, there are more women in elected office than ever before, we still don't have parody and we're still dealing with

things that the men just aren't. And when anything bad happens to them, it's like crazy front page news for days and people go, yeah, well, I mean, you know, yeah, neither the guy with a gun outside her house and said he was going to kill her, and I'm like,

why why are we not talking about Yeah. One of the things that has bothered with domestic issues is I mean, it goes both ways, but I think that women are more affected by it in so much as that if someone threatens you, there's really nothing anybody can do about it until they actually do something. Um. So you can go to the police and say so and so threatened to hurt me, and you can try and get a

restraining order, but they can't. There's nothing really that can be done until somebody actually hurts you, which is crazy. But anyways, it's kind of beside the point. But definitely this was way more true back then, in when was this two thousand and five? It was even crazy that Karen was running do you know what I mean? Right? Unwed mothers as a single mother right, Yes, still a crazy, big deal. So I really tried to attack her for it.

I love what you said during the episode of Hillary that you said, uh, I've I've what did you say? You're like, I'm angry with the people tree Hill. I have like doubts about Oh my god, just why would you guys? I'm a level with you. Tree Hill is not a real place. However, sometimes the line between fact and fiction gets a little blurry, even for me. And

so Wilmington is tree Hill, It just mean is. And I got mad watching this voter base like cheer enthusiastically for Dan, knowing that he beat his kid up, you know, like knowing that he's doing all these other horrible things, knowing that he's run this like smear campaign. He's so sleazy, he's probably shipped on every kid he went to high school with. So there are people in the community that know that he's awful, and they're just like yes, look at that ugly tie. Yeah, this is tie like Paul

Joe Hansen in that time. Oh my god, because Paul's a handsome man. That tie was so upsetting. I could barely look at his face. I couldn't stop looking at it. I know it's a bad tie, a bad I wonder if it was. I actually was wondering as we were talking about the tie while we watched the episode, like do you think it was? It must have been on purpose.

It must have been a wardrobe choice. You know, a team of people who make decisions on every single thing any of us wear is probably thought, this really makes him look douche and we want him to have that creepy politician vibe. It had to have been a choice. I don't know. We had to submit like four options for every outfit throughout the course of so you're wearing like five different outfits, and one episode you have to submit twenty different outfits so that this chain of command

can pick out what you're gonna wear. The fact that it boiled down to that tie on Dan Scott just hotly. It could have just been. It could have just been, uh, somebody hung the four ties in his dressing room. And he was walking out the door and he just grabbed whatever. Are we blaming this? It's possible maybe it mus be ling, whimsical or just wasn't paying attention. He was like, I don't know, just putting me on a die. I don't care,

give me a die. It was interesting that it was so red, white and blue, and then he was surrounded by all the red, white and blue decor, and then all the red, white and blue balloons and then all the kind of steady and it was in this sort of like really intense moving moment victory. And I don't mean moving emotionally, I mean everything around him was moving.

We were all obviously very upset that he won. But when he turns around and and there's all this sort of chaos commotion, hubbub and Barbara has just been there on the stairs, and he does the thing, here's my wife, deb and then she's gone it. I loved it. I loved that they had her just bail and that he wasn't prepared for. It's the first thing that's caught him by surprise in a while. And it was nice to see Dan Scott in his moment be flustered. It really,

it really communicated that he knew he didn't deserve it. Yeah, I mean the wind that personality. I have to say I had one of the biggest problems about that level of malignant narcissism is that, um, I have had experience with this where everybody really thinks that you're the nicest

guy in the world. Like they will look at a malignant narcissist and say that is genuinely like the nicest guy because they know how to their their mimics, so they know exactly how to mimic empathy and how to mimic and they'll cry sometimes because they are feeling sorry for themselves, so they can cry about themselves. They can feel, you know, show emotions. Everybody's like, that's not a narcissist.

They've got emotion. And they'll even sometimes seem really shy and quiet and just helpful and super nice, and it just doesn't always show up as this big, loud, boisterous you know, everybody needs everybody's attention all the time. It also shows up the same way that Dan did at at his speech when he was trying to be humble

and quiet and choked up. It's a little caricature e that they wrote it on the card pause for choke up all obviously like whatever, Okay, this is incredible, incredible to see it was great, But yeah, it is important to note that because even like family courts haven't even caught up with that, that is still you know, I've I've been to court recently with a friend of mine who was dealing with UM a narcissist X. And there's no set up for this, and they have a guidance

setlite and guardian lighted and GLS what they're called. They're there to watch the child and recommend what's best for

the child, and they meet with both the parents. And it's crazy because it's so easy to just get like scooped by the narcissism and you just come off as the nicest, sweetest person because and and the community people who are in abusive relationships with a narcissist feel often that they don't have any support because everyone around them is like sorry, like he's or she is really like the nicest person I ever met, They would never do

what you're talking about. I've known them for twenty years and then and the truth is, you just don't know unless you're in that relationship. And dealing with it on a day to day basis, because you are the one place that is the safe punching bag, because no one will believe you. Well, that's something I think is so interesting about the bond between Karen and Death. They are only two women who know they know, and we're all bonded by Dan's narcissism. Do we know who Deb calls

at the end of the episode, because it must be Karen. Well, Karen calls her Lucas. Yes, Karen calls Lucas. Lucas goes to Deb, Deb calls someone and was like, Karen knows or Lucas No, she says, Lucas nos is a key? Or Andy? Andy sent flowers. I like all of these potential because Lucas is the one who knew it was dead from the beginning, and and Dan showing that tape to Karen. Then Karen sees, I would imagine Deb leaving the dealership or something. Oh no, not leaving, no, buying

the booze. It's it's whoever bought the booze. Uh, it's he didn't even need the tape. You know. That was like a weird scene that I was like, does because it alludes to the fact that he knows it's deb but we know he doesn't know it's Debb because at the end he's still like, you know, searching for whoever it is, and Lucas is like, he's not going to stop until he figures it out. That's right, because he says, this is the last thing tying you to it. Why

do you know without this he won't know it's you. Yeah, who does he think it is? Who is He doesn't know it's deb yet. But let me tell you something. For as dorky as he looked in that tie, Uh, Barbara Allen Woods is killing it in this spide just. I don't know how her and Moira get like hotter and hotter and hotter on, but it gives me hope for my feature. I mean, ladies, I think we're all a lot hotter than we were when we were very uncomfortable,

very uncomfortable and awkward. We are in a whole other This is a nice decade crash Ladies feels good. We had we as real examples set for us with our elder ladies. Um. Yeah, Barbara. Barbara is so put together and so classy. She doesn't make a scene, you know, but she holds up her end of the bargain, and the second it's over, she just quietly is gone, Yeah. Yeah. She's like, great, you won. You got exactly what you needed, and now you don't need me. I'm not by your

side anymore. So I want the divorce and it's all going to go through. But I think Nathan says, my mom's gone for good this time. I think, I don't know, definitely leave. I don't know, but like dad wouldn't leave Nathan. I thought that was so odd because her going, you know, to your point, her saying I'm done standing by you. I get that, But the my mom left, I was like,

she's living Nathan. They tried to run away together. It fee I'm confused about that too, except that she's probably worried about the police finding out that she tried to kill Dan and maybe she's maybe she's going to get rid of something. Yeah, I don't know. That was confusing. M hm. Oh. Really nice to see Nathan and Haley get back together finally. That was really exciting that Ye. Also, there was no way that Hailey wouldn't have known the

difference between Chris Keller and Nathan kissing. They're very different kissers. Have we all kissed? They also have very different faces? Yes, yes, for sure, Sophie. Have you kissed both of those boys on the show? Has Brooke kissed Nathan kissing Chris Keller when they hooked up? I don't remember. I don't think they ever actually kissing him. I don't think I ever

had to kiss her. It's funny because in my head I'm like, well, broke, yeah, Brook cooking up with that guy and that guy and guy Brook up with everybody. But no, I don't think. I don't think we ever actually had to kiss I think we just woke up in bed together. Sorry missed out. I think realistic that Haley would have I mean, in the middle of that party, she was really kissed both Chris Killer Yes, yes, very different,

both very They're very different kissers, different kissers. But but what I'm saying is like, in the moment of the heightened he swept up like how many people are going to be in a Batman costume like that, I don't know, and he just picked her up, and I could see how in the moment she would have been a little like and there was all the smoke around because he was flapping his wings and you know, we forget the wings. I don't know I can go with it. Well, you

kind of your point. You were like you were like, I just wanted to believe it so bad. Yeah. Yeah, to your point, I think, how how would there be two? And also you go something's off and then you go, but maybe not. You can kind of convince yourself given

the incredible misdirection of two Batman's. But it is also very funny because you know, for us, like we know these boys so well, we all spent ten years together, and it's like, yeah, you, you and James as actors did that scene, Like Tyler didn't get in the Batman suit and kiss you ever he got the crow never had to do work. Yeah, he didn't have to sweat in that suit. Poor James was like trying to avoid getting heat stroke in the back of trip. Oh my god.

They were like shoving ice cubes in his Batman's suit. Angel boys. Because we all said it, We're like, we want to watch this movie. I want a movie, full movie road trip movie of those two we got robbed. That was a teenage planes, trains and automobiles with James and Tyler. Yes, just them starting and stopping that car. We were all cackling. It was so perfect. Their chemistry as actors and their comedic timing playing off of each other.

It's Eben Costello, like they're straight and the funny man. It's the perfect great We think Chris Keller is winning Nathan over. Like Nathan he seems to be when he hits them all those times in a row when he's like, stop kissing my wife, and he's like, I did it for you. He got it three to punch in the face three times in a row. Stop hitting me, stop kissing. So funny, and Tyler is so willing to let Chris

Keller be the butt of the joke. Like even even when they are walking away from crawling out of the swamp and James shoves him, Tyler almost goes to the ground. He doesn't like take a side step. He he really leans into letting Nathan beat up on Chris Keller, and it's so winning. That's one of my favorite things about actors. If I see an actor who's totally link to just make a complete ass out of themselves for the sake

of the story of the character, it's the best. There's just no self awareness, there's no like oh my hair, Like don't worry, don't touch my nails, or you know, make sure that I don't want to get this shirt messy or what. You know, it's just like who cares now, I don't want to look stupid. I don't want my character. I don't want people to not like it. Like he just throw it all out the window and he just goes for it no matter what. It's awesome. I love it.

How do we think, Like, what's that backstory? You know, we never really got Chris keller backstory? Was he a nerd at school? Was he Like what create? There's got to be some kind of pain or trauma to create a person. I for sure feel like Chris Keller got dunked in some toilets. Like that was the era of that joke. You know this we're talking about certain eras like you know, Karen getting attacked for running for mayor

is a single mom? Like you know, there was like we were really coming out of an era where um that kind of TV shows Like yeah, there was a lot of representation of like physical bullying, a lot of hazing. You know, you saw a lot of hazing happening like in colleges and things which is so gross and scary and and you know you we also we don't we don't need to um dig into it too far because we don't have to defend bad writing. And y'all know what we believe in when it comes to our communities

and equity. But like, there is a wildly inappropriate quote joke you know in this episode, Um, both a trans character and a character played by a little person were made into the butt of a joke in this episode. And then three of us just gross like gross, um. And you know who was that actor though? That he was on Seinfeld that Um, he's so good and he was souged and again like so super committed to the material.

And watching those boys on the river boat which Tyler a murder mystery tour on that Oh my god, you got that Henrietta. That was the best. It's real. It never went ten years. I never got on the Henrietta. I'm gonna go this fall and it still running. I mean, listen, isn't it you guys? The Cape Fear River is a mystical experience and sometimes you just have to go buy paddle boat. I thought it was going to be way

more like Huckleberry Finn on there. You know, I was like, I don't go get on that river boat and do the murder mystery dinner. And so they bring you like your like rubber chicken, and you know, like you know it's boat food. I don't boat food doesn't have a strong reputation. But then like all of a sudden, it's like clue is happening around you and like swink, someone's dead and you've got to solve the problem and figure

out who did it. Um. But but meanwhile you're just like kind of in a Motel six room because everything's like carpeted, kind of weird. It's like the Magic Castle. Yes it's been renovated since I went in the old era go back. Yes it still needs a renovation. We know Sophia Bush can get on Pinterest and renovate it within. I would love to. Danny Woodburn is the one who

was playing Marty on the riverboat. I thought it was so fun the idea of That's what I mean about this episode being kind of there's so much random stuff, but it all really worked and worked well together. The road trip of these Boys, which is kind of could have been a bottle episode of its own end should have been a full length movie. Um, they ended up going on this river boat and playing poker on the casino in the in the casino area of the boat,

and then the jumping into the river. And remember there shooting. They were alligators in that river. They were shooting, they were in wet suits, there were stunt guys. They were shooting until like six in the morning. But they got such great material. I just loved it. I thought it was such a fun storyline. I can't believe anyone would get into the Cape Fear River voluntarily, like no, thank you. Yeah, that's why they didn't ask any of us to do it.

They were like, let's get the boys. They seem like good sports. They'll jump in that river. But they had to have like gator wranglers in the water ready to intercept anything that came through. Um, that's insane. You couldn't have paid me. I want to hand it to our our our crew. This is a really good episode to kind of brag on our crew because when you think about all of the big things they had to do.

They had to do a huge mayoral like inauguration kind of deal, you know, with all the balloons and all the people and all the extras. They had to do this huge river boat where you're filming out on the boat and then you're out on the water and you've got to do stunt work the water in the middle of the night. You know, they've got Brooks whole fashion show, which for for our wardrobe, having to put together something

like that is always kind of a big task. Um. And then we did the split screen thing with Peyton that we've never done before and was like very technically difficult because you have to lock off the camera and then go change so we had to change back and forth between Peyton and Angel I think a couple of times. It was very confusing. Um, that's a lot the the specificity of our crew being able to handle all of those things in a what eight day episode? Did we

shoot in seven or eight days? Eight days? Eight days? To do all that is a lot of work. Yeah, it really is. I really you did such a nice job with that. Hillary. I loved seeing you play both parts in the same scene. It wasn't you were great. Honestly, it feels like weird, like even talking about those scenes, because normally it's like you and another person, but when

it's you versus you there's ever done that before? What's It's hard to wrap your brain around it a little bit, um because it either feels like you're picking on yourself or you're being self congratulatory. You know. I feel like there were like one too many of those scenes we could have We could have done without one. We didn't

have to keep coming back to it. But what I will say is that I had made a number of complaints about Peyton consistently being this like Debbie Downer and like everything said, like, how do you snap a person out of that? You called them on their ship? But it it didn't really fit to have anybody else called Peyton out and be like, oh you said about your mommy. You know what you're gonna do? You know? I think the only way that it makes sense is to have Peyton say it to herself and be like, are we

going to be a victim forever and ever? Yeah? And you know, either you do the cheesy thing of having that conversation with yourself in a mirror um and you have to like recite a monologue, or you do the Mary Kate Nashley Olson split screen um, and you get I like this device. I like it I loved you know what, I think I loved it because of what you're saying there. That we have to do that in life.

You know, it's not Sometimes you'll have a really good friend who's willing to step up to the plate and say things to you that are really hard and risk the friendship. Um, but most of the time people aren't willing to do things like that, and even if they do, it's not always. You can't always receive it right away. It takes time, and so it's important that we have that voice with ourselves, that we're able to face ourselves in the mirror and say, hey, snap out of it.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Stop living in this space where you are constantly running the record in your head of all your failures and all the things that you could have done differently. Stop it. We've talked about the beginning of this season. Peyton has been really blunt with everybody. She was really blunt with Haley where she's like, you left and yeah, you came back, and that's why I'm

being a bit. She was really blunt with Nathan when he drove into that wall and was like, you're trying to call yourself, you know, She's been really blunt with Brooke, just like, go talk to Lucas, why are you being a baby about this? And so for her to be blunt with herself, um, I think tracks. Yeah, I also think there's something to look Peyton is being very blunt

with a lot of people. Well, she's in a position where her pain and what she's going through from the outside might make people say, well, she's really strong, but she's having a hard time, and there is no I think in life, there's often no worse critic than our inner critic. And I mean I said this too while we were watching Upset. I was like, oh, this is making me feel crazy, like having to have a fight with my self doubt, Like Peyton is literally living in

my hell right now. And I think that it's as a device. Yes, it's more interesting than watching someone have an argument with themselves in the mirror, but it also put an experience to something that so many kids deal with, that we deal with as adults. But now we're in this moment where we're talking more about mental health and self care and self doubt and how you know, feelings

aren't fact. We have terminology. We didn't have that in two thousand and five, and I think for people to see what it really is like when that self doubt spiral kicks off and you're listening to something criticize you all day, and how hard that can be. I don't know. I found it. I know you love to tell a joke, Hill, but I found it really powerful in terms of what it represented. And I would imagine that it helped people talk about what they're inner dialogue sounded like to people

that they trusted. At least I should hope, I mean, I hope that we all have um inner characters. The dress and costume, like if you're inner voice, costume the right like I feel like that pangel costume is probably more me and like bitchy, and I guess I was just so much more comfortable in that skin than like anything else that I did on this show. That was like my comfort zone. If I could just always be that awful, oh man, I would have so much fun.

So this is genius. This is wait. We we really should put costumes on our inner our whiny inner child, because no, this is so good, because you know what, when I could do this, we do this with um,

you can do this with kids. I did this with Maria, we would watch a movie and if something was really extra scary, like a monster would come out, and I would be like, Maria, he's only making that face because he's about to sneeze, and all of a sudden, she would, you know, her whole mindset about it would change, and then she would be like kind of giggling and think something was really funny, you know, or like, oh, he's got he can't I don't know, he's got a really

bad itch in his ear and he can't reach it, or he's it is. But can you imagine if if on your inner child, the one that's complaining, the one that was traumatized, that's causing you all the problems still in your adulthood, every time you see that child, it's just wearing a big petulant like giant pink bunny costume, like a kid at a birthday party who's just been you know, had the cakes build on them and they're like, huh,

I don't want it. It's after four of July, which means Halloween stores and those like spirit costume stores are right about to open up all across a marathon. We need everybody to go by a costume for their inter asshole. Can someone explain one thing to me? Though? That has bothered me ever since we shot this scene. What And I remember asking this question on the day Angel like leans in the door frame of the of the closet

and it's like, closet full of anxiety? Get it? And I didn't get it on the day and I asked our script supervisor and I asked our director, and I asked everybody. I'm like, what does that mean? What does you do? And they're like, just say the lines. Hillary, I was like, can we change it to something else? And they're like, just say the lines. I still don't know what it means, isn't it I don't know. I

don't get over it either. Yeah, because it is the point that she is anxiety personified and she's in the closets? Are we talking about being in the closet? Are like? What are we refer anxiety? Sexuality? Did they not make a decision and so they never made the lines like this, what is it? I think it's anxiety. I think that's

what it is. She she is I'm your anxiety and I'm standing in the closet and it's in the closet because you won't ever let it out, so it's like that's a that's a real you gotta dig deep one if feelings are in the closet, I don't know if someone can make sense of it, cool DM me, I'll read it like it has always bothered me because I'm like, oh, we were really cooking here and that just took the

wind out sales so weird. Then there's nothing worse than when something pulls you out of a scene and you go, what what, because then you're just not present anymore? Would you guys ever? Who's sometimes like as an actor, I feel like I don't understand this, but clearly like someone wrote it and a bunch of other people signed off on it, so I'm the odd man out. So if I ask, I'm gonna look really dull all the time

all the time. Yeah, yeah, especially with UM. I feel like also with my with my A D D. I'm always I can think really, really really intensely about things that are very simple, and I hyper focus, so then I can't get off of it, like I'm I'm trying and sometimes people think I'm just being a bit and I'm like no, I'm like my brain is stuck in a short circuit loop and like, I can't get off

of it, and I don't understand what this means. I did this with the guys delivering my pods the other day and we were trying to like line it up in the driveway and he was like, no, we just well we can't. We just don't have room. And I'm like, but I don't understand why you don't have room because I've seen the truck move and it and he's like explaining all the mechanisms and I'm like, yeah, but if it just can we just put it on? And he's like, man,

you're making this more complicated than it needs to be. Joy. This is like a Snicker's commercial candy bar to just checked you and be like you. But I feel that way all the time when I read scripts and I see things that and I've and I'm the one who will be like, I don't understand this. Can somebody explain it? As soon as they say it, I'm like, I'm a an idiot, Yep, got it, totally, totally could have gotten

that myself. But if I had just gotten off of this, Joy, I've had fifteen years to try to figure out this closet full of anxiety and it's still not happening. I just I like to ask, because you know, then they're like, did you win that our brains are similar? If I don't ask the question just to be like, I just want to clarify something. If I don't ask, I won't

be able to stop obsessing over it. And then it's like I can't pay attention to anything else because I'm like, but this, but this, but this, but it's like a skipping record. So I don't know. But here, by the way, you did ask and you didn't get an answer. They didn't have an answer because they didn't think it out or they didn't bother to find out, and so they told you to basically like you know, there was just

about like dance monkey. Thing I'll say about the painel thing is this was we talked about some nugget jobs in this episode. Pangel makes this reference. Was Jake just trying to get in your pants? And should Lucas be with you instead of Brooke? And that is the first inkling that we have that like rh row something. I'm still interested because they've been so platonic, deeply platonic. I thought we worked really well together platonically and now we've

got this little tidbit. Yeah. Interesting, well, and it is a great little nugget because it does show you how far back they were thinking about continuing to to really lean into that sea saw that Lucas was going to make between Brooke and Peyton, and you know, none of it was accidental, like you know, the writers were mining for drama. I don't know, maybe by season three they were like, well, we've been on for three years, We're going to do this for a long time. We better

figured away to keep stirring the pot. But because we were in the Lucas and Brooke Letterer thing and and and really in Brooks feelings about not knowing if she could risk trusting him again, it's easy to let that slide by. But when we watch it back, you go, oh wow, they were they were laying the pipe early. They were let people wanted to keep that conflict going. I loved I loved Fens in this episode. Yes, I mean,

you really showed up. It was so beautiful and so simple, and you just you know, one of the things I love about you as an actress is you're so good at comedy and you're so on top of it, and you're you know, you're so smart that you're paying attention to all the different elements and and um crafting your performance towards specifically what is needed in the scene and also caring for your character. And you know it's great because you have all that stuff going on, but to

see you just strip all of the stuff away. And by stuff, I don't mean that you I don't mean to say that you're doing things. What I mean is that you're when you're on for comedy, we can count on you because you know how to put it all on. And to see you so Sophia and Brooke just strip it all down and just stand there and not do anything and just be in your emotions, it was I'm so glad that they wrote an opportunity for Brooke to do that, and for you to do that as Brooke.

That's me making things over complicated, but I hope you don't have And I love that because I was, especially in the earlier seasons, I was given a lot to juggle, to do comedic relief, and it's fun to be a juggler.

But when you do get to just stand and be exposed, you know, it's it's particular for brooking this episode, because the whole point is that she's putting her defenses down, she's really kept the walls up, and and to lay it all on the line and say this is how I spent my summer, this is how I really feel. I'm terrified and it's painful for me to be raw

like this. I I wanted that for her because she she was such a character and I think this is somewhere where you know, I feel like we're the most similar. A person who seems to project that they have it together, but who's very anxious, afraid, emotional like things that people

might not see. And so to be able to have people with whom you can really be yourself um is so important and it was nice to model, to model that, I think in in these moments with a character like this, I do want to add, not for nothing, you weren't going you weren't going through a breakup with the person that you were playing a romance opposite of, and regardless of what all those circumstances were, that's incredibly difficult emotionally to be able to be vulnerable and be there in

that moment. There's lots of actors who have who have done that, and who have done movies and TV shows and things. They date their costar or whatever, it doesn't work out. But the fact that you were able to just be that raw, open and vulnerable, it's it's a real credit to you as an artist. Um that you put your art in front of everybody and just were like, look, this is it this, I'm just sharing my heart and

here we are. I thought it was really beautiful. Well that's the point for me, you know, And that people can call it whatever they want. They can say it's strength, they can say it's pride, they can say it's professionalism. You can put a positive or a negative skew on it. But I was always going to put Brooke Davis ahead of everybody and everything else. Nothing mattered to me but being honest for her. Yeah. Yeah, I was with someone on the show forever and when we broke up, it

was crickets. No one ever shit about it. No one was like, oh, I wonder what's going on with Hillary on set? Should be crazy because they didn't know him, you know, And so the difference between our situations was crazy. This thing about making the girls on our show gravel, I've seen so much, and then like for Brooke to do it, only for Lucas to turn around and be like, guess what, I'm not mad at you anymore? Games over,

I forgive you. Can you handle it? So for for him to be like, first of all, so patronizing, for a boy to be like, I forgive you for the thing you did that I actually have no right to be upset about. But then for her to be like, you can't, it's too awful. I was like, you know, it was very odd that again, that these men in their forties wanted teenage girls to like apologize for who they were and big men to be with them. I

was like, I don't like this. I love forgiveness as much as the next guy, right, Like, how great is to be able to forgive someone for doing something shitty to you? It's amazing, it's scandalous, it's powerful, it's beautiful. It was totally out of context in this scenario. I was like, what are we doing? This is not the place. This is the kind of tone deaf here, guys. Because there were a couple episodes where you know, I even said to the fan base and like, yes, I want

Brooke and Lucas together. I I see this couple. I think they have fun with each other. They're teenagers together, which is not what most of relationships on our show where Yeah, as teenagers, they got to be silly, and our show needed a little bit of like silliness and discovery. Couldn't all be like marriage and death and like it's Psycho Derek, he's coming up. Wait, we have to still talk about clothes over bros. And we haven't really spent any time on that. We just pour a little energy

into close over bros. Because this is so exciting to see this come alive for the first time using pain arn't work, um, which I guess do you guys have a fight about licensing fee? Like wait, this is another one of those scenes that you know is going to blossom in future episode. Okay, I hope love it. I loved watching Brooke just get back on that horse and not be afraid and not not just you know, implode

into herself. And it's true. It's actually a theme with what we were talking about in last week's episode with the play that I wrote that you know it ended up it's it's not mine anymore. And it took me years before I was able to write again because I was like, somebody stole my idea and they're taking it away from me, and yeah, and it it was so so heartbreaking. But I actually went back and watched the video of it, which I haven't seen since it came out,

and it's like way too long. I was like, oh my god, it's forty five minutes in and like we haven't had conflict yet, like why is my play so long? But you know that's what workshops are four anyway. But but the point is, sorry, I'm I'm a d ding okay back hollow um Okay. What I'm saying is that, uh, it's it really is true that you cannot and Paul used to say this to me all the time too. People can take your ideas, but they can't take your talent.

And it's I love seeing that come to life with Broke here because it's such an important lesson and for anybody out there who you know, feels like you gave your all to something and then it just got whisked away or fell apart or stolen or what didn't work

or whatever. Nobody can take away your talent. You're always going to be able to create more and more and more and more, there's an unending supply of ideas and to A went out there and I loved seeing Brooke go for it in the six hours creating oh oh my god, warp speed. But there's there's the there's the there's the hyper activity part. When we talk about like our A D H D. We're like, that's it, that's

what it is. You just sit down and sew. But I did love too, the sort of mirror Like I think back to when Brooke and Payton invented the selfie with the polaroid and we fist bumped and we were like hose over rose and then and then here it is in these women, you know, trying to sort of

reclaim their identity outside of their relationships. And I love that it's this moment in our apartment, in our first taste of adulthood, and and it's between Brooke and Hailey and it's you know, oh, well, the thing, the thing I always used to say, like our girl anthem. Now it's about our work. You know. It's close over bros. And it's like, no, it's cute. I really. I made me so happy. You guys have such a strong dynamic together because there's um so quietness to the interactions when

it's just the two of you, that is really tender. Um. And those are the safe spaces where you can come up with new ideas. Those are the safe spaces, like when Haley is like, of course I will help you, I will make your website, Like of course, why would

you think that I wouldn't? You know? Like, I love watching that dynamic because I think for people who are struggling with female friendships, you know, like I didn't, I think we all have a lot to learn because a lot of the female friendships we saw on TV or we just like you know, dealt with in high school can be kind of toxic. Um. These are the moments to emulate where when your friend has an idea and you show up, that's like saying I love you with

the biggest megaphone ever. Yeah, I agree, love that one. Guys are kidding our sweatsuits. Listen, If I don't have a Danny sweatsuit on this ass by September when my kids go to school, I'm gonna make it happen. We're working on it. We're working on it. Um. In the meantime, let's spin a wheel and find out who's most likely to um who is most likely to become a meme?

Brook Davis? How is there any other? There's like, you know what I love when on my phone to send my girlfriends like, you know, like a shitty text or something. And I'm being a real dick and I just look up a word where I'm like, you know, go to hell or whatever, and all of a sudden, it's also Fia on there. It's all Brooke Davis on there. And I'm like, you can type any word you want to in the gift search on your phone, you'll come up. Wait, I need to start doing that more. Yeah. Also, do

you send me yourself to your friends by any chance? Yes? Come on, you have to have sun and are a lot of memes of the three of us, and you're very good which character? So we should just start responding to each other only in memes of our of ourselves. That Yeah, yeah, you went both to search for your fact and question. M hmmm, you win. That feels fun. I love it. I love a meme, I really do. I should gets a close second. I think he's such a legendary jan Yeah, is there a you can't kill

Dan Scott gift? There must But but a couple of weeks ago there was there was the one of the dogs eating the heart that was circulating because in real life somebody was getting a heart off of a helicopter and they slipped in the bell and everyone started posting the Dan Scott gift. What's a gift? What's a meme? I don't know the difference old, but seeing that circulate, I was like, oh, bro yeah, that poor guy, Like imagine being the doctor. It's probably fine. Just how is

it off? It just fell on the room with a quick sailing wash. I don't know what. What's a little gravel? Um you guys? I love you? What are we doing next week? Love you? What do we see anybody? Ten? Brave New World? I don't know about this. Uh, Payton's got a crush on Lucas. Lucas. Are we gonna have to hear Brooks letters? Oh god, I want to watch a one act play like the Vagina Monologues, just of Brooke Davis's letters, summer letters to Lucy so good, okay, good good. I love you guys, to be fun to

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