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Hillary's got George on our lap right now, and you are tuned into our households um right now. We just finished watching episode twenty Lifetime Piling up Air date made tenth, two thousand and five. Sophia, give us a synopsis what happened in this episode? Okay, Joe, I'll take it away. While Nathan is unconscious in the hospital after his car

accident at the crash No. After his car accident at the track with Uncle Cooper, he has a dream sequence of an alternative life where the roles are completely switched. Lucas is the cocky jock with Peyton, while his parents Karen and Dan are married. Nathan's bff is Haley, and his mom, Deb runs her own cafe, which is actually a bar called Deb's Den. The boy's rivalry comes to a head while they compete for a spot in the

elite basketball camp High Flyers. You guys, we've had so many stinker episodes in a row, like so oh man, it's a hard thing to cover week to week, but this one felt like digging out of the hole. It was like, what can we do to get away from this? Like awful? You know subject, but you know what she asked. It's a very perfect question which listeners want to know. What are you talking what we're talking about two brothers that played basketball. It was a weird episode. You nailed it,

but you're right. And that's the thing. It broke us out of the mold of the cycle that we were in trying to solve all these other problems and just kind of shore all up, which it was super weird to see. But I loved it. I was really excited.

I loved it. It was nice because it the dream sequence gave us the opportunity to get out of her root and it just felt a little bit like freedom and One of the things that I loved was that it was a It was a commentary on circumstance, on environment, on who people might be um given certain opportunities or lack there up and then you started to see certain things that were the same Peyton's strength and her wisdom.

You saw Brooke in that, you know, beginning of season one, looking for male validation space, you know, going after it with Nathan rather than Lucas. And the thing I really loved was seeing that, no matter what their circumstance, Nathan and Haley had chemistry that was, oh my god, undeniable.

I felt that too. I was watching it finally as a as an impartial observer, and was really amazed to see that because sometimes you just I mean, I guess I have just wondered watching the episode, is the chemistry really there? Or is it just because of the scenario that they've both been thrust into because the writers write them well together, like maybe that's just it the m

Is it all just emotional manipulation? But to see Nathan and Haley anyway you slice it, those two have chemistry way more than Lucas and Lucas and Haley ever did. So that was kind of fun to see. Yeah, and I loved that the writers, and I mean, what a testament to mark pair, you know, coming from the Wonder Years. There were Wonder Years elements in this episode and this classic love story of our show, which Nathan and Haley are.

The way they nodded to it with the bracelet a completely new way, but that bracelet still winds up on her wrist and he gives it to her. I was like, Oh, they're smart. I see what they're doing. And it was really the whole first season just shoved into one episode,

wasn't it. Yeah. Well, the way that you two talked to each other in the classroom, that was the scene that I was hot for because I've seen like Haley and Lucas talk to each other in the classroom and it is platonic, and you and Chad were so good at creating a believable, strong platonic friendship. You could not do that with Nathan, Like, like, there are freaking fireworks going off around you two, and you're being so cute with each other and you're not forcing it. It's like

you're flirting with no it. Yeah, And I also feel like it's a testament to the two of you as actors, because listen, the hints were in the script. He still gives her the cracker Jack bracelet. Deb says you two are gonna wind up married someday, and He's like, oh mom, we're friends, you know. There there's there's hints that Nathan

and Haley are undeniable. And so, whereas it was always very clear that Haley and Lucas were going to be friends, and it was important that that platonic line wasn't crossed, you and James as performers had all the Nathan and Haley magic that you could put underneath this alternate reality, and and the writing supported it. And it's so fun to watch you both playing different versions of these humans but keeping that energy going it. As a fan, you know,

we have enough distance. Now we're watching episode as fans for the first time, and as a fan, I'm like, it's still a kid still. It just wasn't until Sophia said it that we got to watch all of those iconic moments between Haley and Nathan, but without the question mark of is he gaming her? One we had to

wonder like is he going to hurt her? You know, And so we couldn't really dive into our feelings because we had to prepare ourselves in case I went wrong, and this go round, we got to really celebrate it because we knew, like, oh my god, they've been best friends since their babies. Like it was in my head, comfortable do over. That's so true. Um, I really loved I loved watching Brook. I liked seeing seeing back to like season one Brook. It was fun because I love

seeing where Brooke has progressed now. And um, I also love the sort of geeky Brook putting together shards of paper. Yeah it's beautiful, mind, Yeah, totally. But it was fun to see season one Brook. How did you feel about that when you were filming it? Do you remember? You know? What's so crazy? I kept saying for all our friends at home as we were watching this episode, I was like,

what is this episode? I've never seen this episode. I don't remember whatever was happening when we were filming this, you know, which makes sense because at the end of the season, everything is always so crazy. An episode twenty was probably the last one that aired while we were still shooting, so of course we didn't get to see it. I didn't remember any of it, and I was like, am I in this episode? What do I do? And I just didn't know anything. And then oh my god.

And then Brooke Davis walks in on Nathan Scott in the shower and I was like, oh no, I remember this. I just remember James I being like, oh, come on, man. We were both so mortified with the physical comedy of it was so funny that we wound up having like a hilarious time. But you know, we were both in like those weird ugly like onesie thing you look naked but you're not. I'm just like, I've never looked like more of a creep than I do in this moment. And we wound up just laughing all day. Oh god.

And then I had to walk by Paul just like the face. Oh my gosh, let's talk about Paul and the Letterman jacket. Hillary was dying when Okay, look, I still have my letterman jacket from high school, because of course I do. And and you know, if I ever like go to promote like my high school or a fundraiser from my high school, I might pull it out. But there is zero possibility that I'm going to wear it on a night out in town, just as like my coat and Dan Scott roll up on the river court.

It's reminding everybody that he used to be the stud and is it No, It's like you big fucking nerd. It's painful. And you know what kills me is it feels like a device because they were trying to emasculate Paul in this alternate universe. You know, Dan Scott is this weak man and they just couldn't do it. Paul is such a powerful man, so they were like, put him in the letterman jacket, it will make him look like a loser. George just looks like a big strong

man and a kid's coat. It's none of it works. It made me appreciate the way things are on our show. Remember Chad and I I do remember us having fun in the convertible the day that he was playing like bad Dad, you know, and he was having fun getting to do this other thing. Because the mythology about the origin of our show is what we've all discussed before that Mark Schwan had originally wanted Chad to play Nathan and there was like a mix up and the studio

wanted Chad to play Lucas, and whatever happened happened. I thought Chad was the one who wanted to play Lucas because he had been playing sort of bad boys and so he wanted to break out of that moment, which is my understanding. Yeah, but you know, what the create with the creator, what the writer, what the producers want, and then what the studio wants, and then what the

actor wants are like oftentimes not the same things. So seeing him in that role that some people in our in our little group originally thought he was destined for is weird. It's because he's like soulful, but he's good at being a dick as he as he inches words James's legs. I believed it. I was like that, I know that guy. Yes, for some reason, because it's so convincing as that um anti antagonist. Where as the villain character.

It felt like if the roles had been switched, it would have been harder for me to believe that Nathan had a change of heart and was softening. I don't know why Chad played Nathan played Nathan based on what we just saw in that episode. Oh interesting, I don't know, I don't know. That's what That's what I was thinking when I was watching. I was like, I don't know if I would have bought it as much because I like Chad starting in that zone of Lucas, of the

soft hearted, soulful guy. You know, it was different for him. He played like a bad guy on Dawson's Creek. He'd been kind of like a slimy, flirty dude and a couple of movies and stuff like that, and it was smart for him to be like, no, I want to be the poet. Sign me up, let me do that voice over. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm really glad the show actually turned out the way that it did instead of this bizarro world. It would have been weird if this

dream was our whole show. Hillary, what was it like for you, because you know, the three of us as the girls were still playing the same parts. But you know, Joy, you had to create a whole different friendship with Nathan, you know, in this alternate reality. But Hill, you were kind of reliving Peyton and Nathan scenes with Peyton and Lucas. How did you feel like you differentiated those or did

you feel like you had to? Well, I remember people showing me playback of the pilot, especially when we had to recreate that scene in my room because they wanted it to be exactly the same. So my wardrobe is exactly the same, the way I'm positioned against the door is exactly the same. But my hair is like a power mullet. So there's like certain things that can't match. Um, And what I will say is that again, the chemistry

is very different. James and I started the show as like this contentious couple, and we never really had chemistry. You know, I don't know anyone that's like, I'm a Nathan and Payton ship. They're like literally are none because they are not a good couple. So, um, I when like Peyton comes to pick Nathan up, whereas in the original pilot, we're like Peyton's interacting with Lucas and it's very like loaded, like there's energy there, there's none when

she's picking up Nathan. You know, it's just like, hey, man, you're screwing your life up. Get in the car, let me be your buddy. It's strong buddy energy. Yeah, it's big sister energy. So to see those energy shifts, it allowed for Peyton to be more of what you guys were saying, just kind of like the sage wise character. Um. Yeah, I think I think the it's and it's weird because none of us had chemistry reads. Yes, George, what do you want to talk? George is looking for an amp

right now in my house. She's got a ukulele on so she can play guitar. Um, we don't have it right now, but when mom's done, we're gonna rock so hard. Are you ready to rock it? My amp? Mom? What is she for? How old is she? No? She just turned for gosh, are you gonna date Nathan or Lucas? Which one you don't know? Over one you want? Honey? You don't have them all? Have it all? Um? Hey, listen,

this might be a good moment in the conversation. Our listeners were asking or sorry, Hillary, last week you asked us to make a cocktail for this week's episode. So I'm just gonna give you guys the rundown. Here's what we're drinking. Okay, So, if you're at home, I want to go get your mescal. If you don't know what that is, you need to know. And it's a part of kind of a tequila. I want you to go get an orange or half an orange? Will do? You're gonna go get a jalapeno and you're gonna find some

ginger liqueur. So I know all of you just have that lying around in your bar. But if you do ginger beer, maybe could that be a ginger beer could work? Actually that might be quite nice. Um. I also have this delicious dandelion bitters, Um, dandelion and burdock bitters. What's the company, doctor Adam Shop? I think I don't know. Um. Anyway, it looks it's old timey and fun. So this is my potion for today. So you're gonna and then you

need mint to go get some fresh mint. So we're gonna do uh announce or two how depending on how you're feeling of the mescal, a splash of the ginger liqueur. You're gonna juice half an orange into that glass and muddle up some mint and throw that all in with rocks and just well ice, you know, and and uh mix it around. And then finally I'm gonna I want you to take that jalapeno and grate it on a on a zester and just zest that jalapeno into your drink,

and then you have you have our cocktail. I don't even know what we're going to call this, but we're all, we're all enjoying it, and we hope you do at home as well. So there you go, spicy, the spicy lady. There you go. I like a spicy lady. It's my lady, Karen. Karen Scott is a spicy This is the Karen Scott drink.

That's what this is. It's very interesting that in Nathan's dream where the rules are reversed, they go so far as not just to be reversed in terms of who Dan chose, but it's giving the wom and he chose the power and taking his away. So he is this sort of subservient husband. His wife is the boss. She is the money maker, and she's she's like a no

holds barred bitch. And I like it. Ironically though, he still did marry Well, if she's the money maker and he's the one who's staying at home, isn't that sort of still the situation with Deb I guess Deb's home. But deb had money, well Debby, you know what I mean, Like they fronted the money for his car dealership. It would have been cool to see him and Karen living modestly, you know what I mean, like like two kids who

only have high school degree, you know, like diplomas. If both of them dropped out and didn't have any parents giving them, you know, this special footing that Deb's parents hooked them up with. It would have been cool to see them living in Karen's house as opposed to Dan's big, huge mansion. Um. I think that would have made Paul's

a bit more believable. It was so interesting watching Karen and Keith in that scenario, Karen the adulterers and Keith the owner of the dealership and being so cruel to Dan, and then Karen dropping that bomb. But he says, I would have raised Lucas like my own and she says, sometimes I think he is. They're both and they never followed up on that, They never circled back. I mean that was a big drop, ye, Like It's like an anvil that dropped in the middle of the room and

then nobody addressed him. So do we think do we think that means that Karen hooked up with Keith, like at the same time she was dating his brother when Lucas was conceived, Is that we're in she not have let Why would she allow Lucas to think that Dan was his Sorry Nathan to think that Dan was his dad. If I was confused, we need more tequila joy Um, No, I don't need any more tequila promise. It was confusing.

But what I think was done really gracefully was the coming out of the dream sequence because it starts off really sighted that it was really subtle, you know, and it was like Lucas saying something to Nathan that was just kind of like off. It was two nights, you know. And then Haley coming up with the bracelet that turns into the wedding ring and you're like, oh man, you're like here it goes smart. Oh and then him telling her not to come home. That was rough. That really

got me, but me too. I know he was doing it for her, he was doing it because of her best interests, but also it seemed like for himself he was kind of climbing out of the selfish or maybe not selfish, wrong word. He was climbing out of the self pity zone of I hate what's being done to me, what's being done to me, and started recognizing maybe something positive for himself that could be coming out of this difficult scenario. I don't know exactly what that's going to be.

I look forward to seeing in the next episode, but it seemed like he was making a choice really for himself rather than um trying to solve the problem. I mean, do we talk about suicide on our show? I don't know, because that's what's being implied, and it's what Lucas asks him, and then they're interrupted and so he can't get an answer.

But it's a very serious subject matter to tackle on a team drama, and you know we're touching on it, you know, we're lightly going there, but I'll be disappointed if we don't, like go there and get Nathan help, you know, this idea that like I'm going to drive into a wall and then I don't know, I'll just

figure it out, you know. It's also interesting there were a couple of things going back and watching now that I felt like there was foreshadowing for, which is something that we we ascribed meaning right, but things we didn't know we're coming, Like when Nathan says on the end of Levity, when he says to Brooke and Peyton, I know you both want me when they're visiting the the hospital room, and it's like, well, when they sprung that surprise, Brooke and Nathan's sex tape on US and we were

all horrified. Oh my god, in whatever season three or four, I don't remember what it is. God, I was so upset. We were all upset. It was like, what are you talking about? This whole I hated it And now I'm like,

oh is that you? Wait now? Now, I can't stop thinking about that when he says this and the other thing on the non humorous slash gross side the series US and is when you talk about this stuff in terms of him and really our show through him, just lightly touching on um, the potential for a young man to be depressed and potentially have a suicide attempt or suicidal ideation is when we fast forward to after the time jump and Nathan is struggling wildly with depression, you know,

and he's in that dark place and throws himself out of the wheelchair into the pool and all those things. I don't know. It's it kind of gives me chills to see it now and and to know what's coming that I'm aware no one knew would be coming years later, but it um, it certainly makes me wonder looking back at it, what we what more we should have done? Well? Yeah, shows for her own rehab while he's still in a house. Spittle bad, you know, But but for real, Like, what

what's natural protocol? What's normal protocol? Someone attempts suicide, does a social worker get called in? Like who from the county, who from the state is alerted? I mean there's gonna be a lot of times. I don't think there is a lot of the time. I mean there may be, but unless there's a crime involved, which technically a suicide attempt is a crime. But he destroyed so much sensive property. But yeah, so I don't know. I don't think most

of the time there is. I think it's just people sort of unless there is immediate attention, medical attention that is needed, in which case then the hospital does have a responsibility to make those kinds of phone calls. But otherwise I think maybe it's just the family just yeah, like at what point does CPS get called? It's like, this kid just tried to kill himself. There's no CPS in one Tree Hill? Serious, you guys, Like all these

children live alone, Like nobody gets a phone call. No breaks on the tracks and nobody nobody gets the call. I mean it's a really big deal. Yeah, and it's good that we're seeing scenes where all of his friends are surrounding him, but also we can't expect Lucas and Brooke and Peyton and Haley to have the skill set to deal with something like that at sixteen years old. That's insane, It's crazy. There needed to be more responsible

adults in the room, for sure. Karen added some gravity to it when she was sitting in the hallway with Whitey and she couldn't get a hold of Keith and she's like, he should know, you know what's going on with Nathan? Yeah? I know? Yeah. Why did none of the parents get the memo that there were no break marks on the track? It's weird. Can we blame Cooper No, who was there that day? I mean, it's just yeah.

Season two is a rough one for me. I feel like there's so many disjointed things happening towards the end of season two that I'm like the dream sequence was kind of a nice break from it because there were no rules. It was just like two is rough for a lot of shows. I think it's really hard to keep I don't know, you know what. Succession had a great season two. I love season two. I thought they did a great It was like better than the first season for me. But that's so rare, and I don't

know why, why is there always a second season? Cloud? You know what's interesting, I had a friend of mine who's in a band explained this to me. You know, they had a big, you know, hit debut album, and I remember a couple of the guys being at a dinner like a dinner party, and it was something I never considered before. He was talking about enjoy You probably know this. In the world of music, they call it like the sophomore slump. What is your sophomore album going

to be? If you've had to hit first album and the pressure of outperforming your first record, of doing better than the first thing you created, can really be just crippling emotionally and psychologically. And I wonder if that's some of it. If you know a show that premiered six months ahead of when it was supposed to and grew week by week hand over fist because of word of

mouth and started amassing this incredible, really organic fan base. Um, that was really you know, like I had a finger on the pulse of what young people were going through. And then you're supposed to do it again, Yeah, exactly times. Yeah, for sure. And then they started wanting bottle episodes like we talked about the other week, where they then they want to be able to do something that are standing alone instead of drawing out a storyline that goes on.

You know. So they're also getting all these demands from the network on here's what's working, here's the formulas working on our other shows. Uh, try and do this, try and do that. I mean it's like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But you know that's not really back to the pilot and we were like, I guess we'll just do this again. Let's do it one more time.

What do you think They were like having a panic in the writer's room, and they were like, we gotta go back and watch the pilot and figure out what the funk we're doing. We don't remember what we're doing. What happens on the table? Right? I picture them in the writer's room just like throwing script pages, falling out where panic, How do we make this team trow Yeah, it happens everywhere though, it's not just our show. It happens in all all kinds of shows and in theater too.

By the way, the second second act is notoriously uh not as good as the first or just like because the second act does so much heavy lifting until you get to the very end. There's just so there is a lot of pressure to dig in deep. You know, the first season was so much set up for us, and as is Act one in a lot of shows, in plays, and as is many other TV series and movies sometimes too. I mean, you just get into act

two and you have to dive in deeper. And with a show like ours, where there's already so much drama, so much emotion, so many feelings, to go deep into the hospital so many times already both of these boys had to have major surgery in the first two seasons. It's a lot, but it also is kind of like our careers. I mean, look, this was like our first big,

huge job, and then what's act two? You know, the fear of leaving and like act act two as a whole in life is always intimidating, whether it's like going off to college or trying to get that next job after your first big break, or you know, we've got kids and dogs all over the place and you're like, how do I set goals again? Who am I doing with my life. I don't know. I don't know if us girls had gotten to change, because Haley, You're right, Hailey,

Brooke and Peyton are the same. If us girls had gotten to change, what would you have wanted your character to be different? How different would you want your character? MG, I would have loved to play either of your characters. How fun either way? Maybe naked in the shower. By the way, talk about the repeats. Brooke walks out of the shower with Nathan in front of Dan. It's literally what you had to do in the pilot that you've been there, been there. They're like, well, we know we

can't ask Hilary to do it again. Isn't that so interesting that we so so there were these repetitions, but with these sort of tesselations in them as well. Remember when they told me you were going to replace me on the show, they were like, we'll just have we'll have Sophia do with this go around. I mean there's like a little tiny yeah from season one. I mean that was right about the time they were like, we've got someone else to come in and do the sexy stuff.

And then I was like, I'm sorry, nobody told me that's why I'm here. You told me I was coming here to be the comic relief. What, no, well, do comedy, Sophia, do a comedy with your tooth kids? I refuse. So we have evil titties, comedic titties, so many, so talented, both defaced. Yeah, So, how different would you want your

character in all Universe? Like if we had to to pick something different, I mean, if we were going to do this all Universe episode and really go there and let all the girls switch roles, I would have loved Brooke Davis in this episode to have been so far down the spectrum that she the Erica Marsh that she was already the class president, and she had no social life, and she was just a completely different kind of person for two acts, Like why not? Yeah, that's not what

we got extra in a different way, man. I remember when I and I think I may have said this on the show already, I can't remember, but when I got the job. A girlfriend of mine reminded me of this recently that when I got this job, she walked to the bathroom. She was at my house and watched the bathroom and I was sticking bobby pins behind my ears because I wanted Hayley's ears to stick out because I thought that would just be really cute, and um, she was like, but what if the show runs for

a really long time, that's going to hurt. It's like, you're right, And I was having a really hard time like situating it in a way so that it would they would really do that. But where I'm going with this is that, um my point is my point is I think it would have been really fun. I wish that I had been comfortable enough with myself at the time to really allow Hailey to to fully embrace the sort of shy, nerdy, um bookish. Maybe nerdy is the

wrong word. I don't know if that's appropriate anymore or not, but I kind of like nerds. Yea, yeah, but nerds you're hot, But still like just totally allow her to be that kind of bookish, you know, shy girl, whereas I didn't. I think so much of our time in Wilmington's, especially the first season, it turned into a competition in a lot of ways, which we've discussed many times on

this show before. Um, just through a us being young women, and that was the environment that I think was kind of expected of young women in all in the same environment kind of vying for like who's going to be the front runner, who's gonna be yeah, yeah, and also just the exterior forces that were intentionally pitting us against

each other. But if all those things hadn't existed and I had just sort of known then what I know now to be able to really embrace allowing Haley to be as nerdy as she wanted to be for as long as it would have worked on the show, instead of trying to turn her into something like a little sexier or hotter or whatever to kind of compete with you guys, I would have loved that. I would love

to see that. You know. Well, I hate that you felt like you had to compete, but no, it's just that's just part of it's part of life, especially as a young woman, and that was the environment, and you know, I wanted to be I looked up to you guys too, like we all sort of, I think, had this admiration of each other in different ways, and I thought, oh my gosh, they're so cool and pretty, and like, I want to be a pretty girl too, and I want to be you know, So instead of just feeling comfortable

with who I was which comes with age. Really, that kind of comfortability. I went into a different zone, which is normal, And I mean, I think it's important to be tender with those versions of ourselves, because we all felt that in one way or another. You know, like there's weirder than getting ready in the morning and being all lined up in mirrors and being like who's getting fake lashes today? Whose hair looks good to? You know, like, yeah,

you're all being painted together. It can't be about the character. It has to be about like the press we're gonna get or the way we're gonna look on TV. Who's going to look the best in this episode? Or you know, it's it's so gross, it's so unnatural. But I guess when I say we should be gentle with ourselves, we have to remember that wasn't a metric we set. That's

what we were told. The metric was by all the people in charge, And there are people in charge in other environments who don't tell young women that that's what the metric is. So I'm really proud of us for doing our best but also not hiding that we were uncomfortable. And yeah, it may have taken us time to finally stop you know, trying to keep up with the Joneses and actually just go out together and be like, how do you feel? Because I feel weird, you know, like

like really weird. It's all could have been solved with one night of drinking, you guys, but we were good kids. It took us a while to get to drinking. Guys get there faster, I guess is the moral of the story. Hilary, tell us about your character. How do you think you

would have liked to see Peyton? I think about economics a lot because I went to a high school where the year after my freshman year, they built a new high school in the rich community and all the bullies moved away, like any person that had ever made my life hell was gone. And it made me hate people with money so much because that really was like the line. And when we were filming the show, I don't think that we really thought about economics and the way we're

having conversations right now. But Peyton and Haley lived like next door to each other. Literally our houses are catty corner from each other, um, and we lived kind of on the you know, not the fancy neighborhood. These are older homes that it is a lower there's a food desert where those two homes are, which means that the people that live there don't have easy access to a

grocery store. Um. There's a lot of economic and racial factors at play in that part of Wilmington's And I would have loved to have seen Peyton hanging out with the kids in her neighborhood, like the River Court boys, Like I loved, loved, loved our scenes when we would all be together, and I think we all just kind of like glowed tonight when we got to see the scene on the River Court because they were so special and they look good, they feel good, They send a

good message, and it doesn't matter which boy is on the right side and which boy is on the bad side. You know, Like we've had Chad be the good guy and James be the bad guy, and in this episode

we got the river most of that. What you see is community in those scenes, And I, as Peyton, would have loved to have spent more time with the River Court boys because I feel like they represent a really important part of a community, um and of a school, and they are the guys that you know, lived in our neighborhood and yeah, and plus like they're the fun ones. Like when we partied outside of work, those are the guys we parted with and we're going to's apartment. Yeah,

I mean they were like the fun ones. So that's that would have to be a girl that infiltrated that boys club would have felt fun. That would attract for Peyton too, especially for a girl whose parents were never home. You wouldn't need to build a community of like boys and brothers around, yeah, for sure to feel safe. Yeah. Um, and I just love those guys. They're so fun. I

love the banter between all of them. It just adds a layer that, like our show can really miss sometimes because it starts to try to be sexy and then you bring those River Corps boys in and it's like we're high school kids. Let's get weird. Yeah, the episodes are always better when those boys are in them, I agree, always better. Yeah, pay them more money. By the way. You know who else makes an episode feel Fuller's Brett

Clay Well, I love him. You're so great's great, it's so reliable, he really is, and he's not undertable for the bit, you know what I mean. Like, you know how some actors can be too cool commits. Yeah, does anyone have his number? Yes? We should text him and be like, Brott, what are you doing right now? You want to jump on a podcast I don't have. Well, he's gonna He's gonna join us soon. We have Brett booked for an upcoming episode, but I'm just gonna do

because Dylan, we're talking about it happened. I miss that. I'm glad you guys. I'm a grandma. I use voice dictation. So for everyone who's listening to podcast, here we go, Hey, boyfriend, exclamation mark. It's Hillary and Joy and Sophia. Exclamation mark. We're literally talking about you right now on the podcast. So I hope your ears are burning. Period. You're the effing coolest um, because that's how I text you too. I have to talk everything out. My kids hate it there.

They literally like, okay, mom, period, okay, exclamation message set. I love a voice to text. That's great in me too. You know what I did last night, speaking of alternate universe, I went on a house date with my husband. We put the children to sleep, and then he lit a fire in our bedroom and we watched a movie. And you know what movie they watched. So cold, you better believe it. And so listen. Joy is so hot in this movie. She's so hot in this movie, and she's

like this edgy documentary filmmaker. And I woke up this morning and I was like, I need to get my act together. Um, first of all, you're fantastic in the movie and the movie is super, super spooky. And Jeff was like, we have to go to that hotel because you got to go to this hotel. Guys, I'm telling you it's amazing. It's really cool hotel. But I'm copying you today because I have been wearing brown eyeliner for years,

but you were very black eyeliner in this movie. And I don't know if you can tell, but oh, you look so sexy. But I was like, I'm gonna do what Joy is doing, so to bring this full surfle It reminds me of us getting ready in the morning on the show and feeling a little bit like, oh, what's she doing? What's she doing? I woke up this morning and was like, I want to look like my friend Joy. And so called The River one of the top streaming horror films on what the Amazon, Amazon, It's everywhere.

I don't know it's crazy. It's all the same doing really well. It's crazy. It wasting. Don't drink the water. Um. Yeah, you know, I'm so grateful that now we're at a phase in our lives where it's fun to look at each other and be like, oh, I'm inspired, I want to do that. Like it's inspiration feels fun, where it's just doesn't have to be competitive at all. It's just like out of sheer love and excitement and sharing creativity. It's like sharing Pinterest boards. Yeah, we're a black eyeliner

like I'm God. Peyton Sawyer two thousand four loved some black eyeliners, So I'm back on it. You brought me back. I need to break You know. You know who wears black eyeliner and pulls it off great, and she's been wearing it for years and sometimes it's actually the only makeup she wears is black eyeliner. Mikaela McManus. Yes, yes, yes, the Tier line. It's so good. Listen you guys. My husband had to go to the city, and so being able to work from home means that she's in my lap.

It also means that we get to drink Joy's cocktails and it means that we only have to wear like shirts and pajama pants. Um, so it's the best gig. Ever, how do we do a TV show like this? Like? How do we move? Yeah? Fine, done, there's my dream job? Is a sitcom? Right now? That schedule is like to die for? What do you show up on Monday morning for three hours and then Tuesday for four? Maybe? Okay? So this episode was alternate reality? Could we do One

Tree Hill as a sitcom? Honestly? I would? If we could do that life, I would do it Like that would be amazing. My gosh. They just were just like knocking at each other's doors. It works with everybody just showing up in Peyton's bedroom all the time with nobody ever knocking. How do we do a remix of One Tree Hill and threes company and we're the company? Oh yes,

hello your apartment, but the apartment everyone lived in. It's like you and then Brook moves in and then at some point like the rest of us are always there, We're always there. The apartment is the sitcom. Did you guys see the Facts of Life that they did with Jennifer Aniston? And I did not? How was it was cute? It was super cute. It was funny, too funny to see all that. I mean, I don't I don't know if it would still work today, but it was fun to see. But I don't know. Can you imagine One

Tree Hill is a sitcom? Yes? I can imagine us doing a sitcom, so like, I'm here for it. Yeah. Do you know what though, somebody, guys, we have a listener question this week, and if Katie, the listener who submitted it, is cool with it, I want to take it and slightly flip it to this combo is Katie asked. She said, I don't want to be is iconic still is? But if you had to choose a different theme song

for the show, what would it be? So I want to know to piggyback Katie's question, what would the theme song of Wondering sitcom being? Is it a Dolly Parton song? It feels like it should be. I mean, so George is going through a huge Dolly Parton phase right, and I played her the nine to five and in the world. I love the video and it struck so many chords, just like women working in a men's world. Love that movie, babe the best? Can we do that movie? Oh, okan, god,

how do we do a nine to five remake? Oh, it's a musical now too, and we all, let's just the musical version of just five. That's it. But like that's a movie. Wait, so is that is that our? Is that our new one? It's because you know we once, we jumped five years ahead. We're grown ups, you know. And so I think we're making up Bruce Springsteen songs right now because there is something about sort of the everyman and working man that you know, Bruce always resonates with.

And I think also you're from New Jersey, Joy, whatever, whatever the Bruce Springsteen song is you land on, then you have to cover it ob my hometown. I guess that probably makes the most sense. Yes, yes, yes, I like that Born to Run also super legendary. Weren't to Run? That feels very patent all right, that's always leaves It also always reminds me of us. Maybe we were both to pick I mean, I said a Dolly Parton song, honestly, any of them? Yeah? So yeah, nine to five I'm down.

We could do a little remake to make it like our show. It doesn't matter to me. I just want it now. Katie also said, what's the funniest? Oh no, my Len, I'm sorry, my Len said this, what's the funniest moment you had while filming the show? Oh my gosh, god, there were literally the funniest. Um, what's a funny thing? The funniest? There is no funniest when you did something for ten years, that's true. I mean, could you even answer the question what's the funniest thing that happened in

all of your high school? Like? I don't know. Yes, no, I can't answer that question. Okay, go answer it. Freshman year, I get my mother to take me to avacar Be because all of the rich bitches at school were Abercrombie and I'm trying desperately to fit in because if you don't fit in, then you're the butt of the joke. So we go and we get this like super cute baby size skirt and I am pumped to wear this

baby size skirt. It's a belt with a button, and I wear it, and I I have lunched the same time as the whole football team, like they must have had some class and I had class. And we're all in the same lunch block and we're coming from downstairs from upstairs and I had just gotten brand new sandals that were so cute but very slippery, and I fall down the entire flight of stairs in this teeny teeny tiny baby skirt in front of the entire football team,

and it becomes my legacy. Um, and so I started I started dressing like a man like pretty pretty soon after that. Like that's when I was like, I'm gonna wear some big slacks, just some big big slacks, my good yeah, just to be like spread eagle. Falling down a set of stairs. It was like, no one's ever seen my panties before. Oh my god. And now it's like the entire senior class. I'm so mortified for you. What are you thinking about it? Because the sense memory,

like I know what that skirt felt like. I know the sandals felt like, my face is so hot. Those Abercrombie skirts were so short. There is so short, so stressful. This is why I'm androgynus Now nothing to see here, folks, Sorry, right along, right along? Um, But on the show, I mean, who knows, who knows? I don't know. I can't really remember. I mean, God, I wish I could had great stories and great I just don't have As I've mentioned before, I don't have a great memory with a lot of

things like that. I don't know. There was an actor that Sophie and I worked with one season who really sold himself. This is like a day player, Sophia, and this dude was really aggressive with the two of us. And he has since gone on to be on other TV shows And he always lists like a character name, but none of his characters actually have names, Like he

makes these up to put on the internet. And I see him from time to time in a TV show, just like staring from the background and I'm like, I know that fucker, and he's so uncomfortable because he told us he was a model and all sorts of stuff, and I just remember you and I bean like, how do we get out of this? How do we get away from this person? Those are wed I'm texting Paul right now to see if he has a good funny memory, because he's so good at like he's a great storytelling.

He remembers everything. I mean, you know what's funny. I can't necessarily remember what they were caused by, but I just remember the days where we would be like laughing till we were in tears. But it was like, it's only because it was like morning and you couldn't remember. Yeah, like you would just lose your mind after being at work for so long. That happened at your wedding. That

was Brooke and Julian's wedding, And I do remember. I don't know who I was sitting with, but there was also some peach moonshine getting passed around, and guys, I still have one jar in my freezer. I've been saving it. What Oh he sent me home with a lot of moonshine and I'm down to one last little baby Mason jar and I'm like, if anybody drinks this, I will murder. The better share that with us. We need to have some come over over cocktail with that. Oh gosh, yes, um, yeah,

that's all I remember. There was those big scenes where we're just so tired, and so it had been such a long day and we were you know, underfed or overfed or whatever, and just you know, everybody was starting to slip clear alcohol into their water bottles and we were all just having long days. And I do remember that at Brooke and Julian's wedding, we were all just I mean, Greg Prange was directing that episode, I'm pretty sure, and he was so irritated with us. Come on, we

everybody wants to get out of here. We're like, there's also nothing worse than getting the church giggles in an actual church, because the echo makes it so much worse. Oh, it's awful. You can't look at anybody and you just start bursting into fits of laughter. Lisa Goldstein and I used to get the church gettles sud so bad. My god, she's a fun person to giggle with. Should we spin a wheel? Yeah, let's spin a wheel most likely to

win the lottery and lose the ticket? Me. God, no, guys, I can't even get in line at like six Flags or Disneyland or wherever. I will get in the line with my ticket, and by the time I reached the front, I have no idea where the ticket is counter. You're just like, I don't, I don't know what number I am I being. Probably you need one of those little clear pouches that hangs out a lanyard around your neck that you can just put all your stuff in. I

do I need a tourist lanyard? No? No, no, no, I mean, look, who's scattered I mean, it's not a scatter brain thing so much as it is h I'm busy, What do you want from me? Better things? To focus on this tiny piece of paper unless the tiny piece of papers were the hundred million dollars, and then it's extremely unfortunate. I mean, a character on the show is for sure Keith, like Keith loses the lot of sweet man. You're right, Okay, it's Joy and it's Keith. Yeah, yeah,

what a winning comment. We finally fit together, all right. I can't wait for the next episode. By season two twenty one, what would see by? Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you next time. We are all about that high school drama. Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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