Bring on the Tears ᐧ EP515

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Hillary, your hair looks so great today for our listeners. Hillary's got her full curls happening at which I miss seeing, and she's wearing a Whitney Houston T shirt.

Baby, I hit the target hard. This summer target sometimes surprises me. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Like sometimes I'm just walking through thinking I'm gonna get paper towels, and then I see a Whitney Houston shirt and get totally sidetracked.

Guys, we'll get into the episode. But what's with the curly hair right now? Madd in trouble because mine's going gray too, and I feel like it's losing a little bit of it's lester. But your hair always looks so great when it's curly. What are you doing?

It's never been curlier because I'm not like coloring it. I'm not putting chemicals on it, and so it's never been curlier, and I don't do anything to it anymore. I wake up and I put oil in it.

Oil.

Yeah, I put way oil in it, and that's it. And it's just saving me so much time because with two kids in two different schools and like full responsibilities there and then work responsibilities, the amount of time I used to spend blowing it out is just not there right now. We might get there one day, Today's not that day. No, not that day. Also, I feel like, do you feel like post pandemic aesthetics have changed a little bit where all of the really polished stuff is

Yeah, we started zoom meetings and people were still dressing up like they were at work, and then eventually it was just full pajamas work meetings and T shirts.

I kind of love it, though, Listen, let's just get weird. It's the exact opposite of what this episode was because I laughed so hard at this group of women trying to take care of babies and also throw birthday parties in high heels. And dresses, full outfits on no sleep. I am wearing fucking Sketchers right now. I'm wearing mom Sketchers sneakers because that's what you wear when you're parenting. Your brain's out.

I need to pull out my crocs. That's what I was shuffling around in this morning. Yes, oh, birthday parties and heels. Give me a break, those sweet little girls. Okay, what do you think, Sophia? You want to read the intro?

Oh boy, guys, here we are. Season five, episode fifteen, Life is Short. This originally aired April twenty eighth, two thousand and eight. God, the era of the fancy short. I would like I would just like to burn two thousand and eight to the ground.

No one did it better than you. The color of our DVD where you're in the shorts and iconic.

Why why did we decide that was Brooks thing? Anyway? Not the point. The snopsis of the episode is that Lindsay retreat legs. Lindsay returns to tree Hill for Jamie's fifth birthday party, giving Lucas hope for their relationship, I mean, maybe false hope. Who knows Brooke and Peyton prepare for life with a new baby. Meanwhile, Dan tries to work himself back into the lives of his family, ultimately divulging

Yay. I remember directing this one vividly. I you do, don't, Yes, but either there's so many like what do the kids call them? Gifts, memes, whatever they are, there's so many of that montage of us trying to soothe Yes that I remember.

I just didn't realize it was Paul.

What was hilarious is you know, like we did all of our coverage, like doing the things being hilarious and and then it was Angie's coverage and she didn't want to cry, and it became a problem of how are we gonna make this baby cry? And like her mom came in. I remember her mom coming in and being like, cry baby, Like come on, you cry all the time.

Well, I that's what I remember is that she was actually very amused, and we were like, yeah, it's worth like it's actually working. We're making this baby happy. And you and and I were like what do we do? Yeah, and the idea that you were supposed to scare a baby felt horrible.

We didn't want to do that. Did We just.

Like wind up leaving her alone in that crib for a while.

Till she got her I think we might have had to ignore she just got bored. Somebody pay attention to me.

But like making TV so dumb like that, it's like it scripted baby cries, right, and there's no one that thinks through the process of how are you going to make that baby cry?

Yeah, it is like having a dog on set too, with the dog trainers that come and they they're trying to lead the dog around or make it do a trick, and it just will never do it exactly the moment that you needed to. They end up like smearing peanut butter on your ear or something.

No. I loved all the kid energy in this episode.

Yeah, it was fun.

I just wanted to squeeze them. God, they were all so cute. It was Jamie being cute with little Angie.

There was a lot of kid energy, even with million and Mouth and Skills and all the boys.

I love.

This was fun.

Their storyline might have been my favorite thing in the episode.

Yeah, me too.

I loved what was happening in that apartment.

Maybe that's what it was. It was like it was all the home situations were figuring themselves out in this episode, Like your house, Haley, like things are getting back to normal, things seem healthy. Brooke's trying to figure out what her home situation is.

Who can help the two of you in that house with a bit I mean out loud Hillary coming around the corner.

I do I want to sleep?

And your hair and you're just everything about you. It was so great.

You know what I liked is that it felt like a marriage. It felt like Peyton and Brooke were in a marriage and like doing the whole newlywed thing. I'm like, we're gonna figure this out. Yeah, it felt very safe and happy to me.

Yeah, I wrote down that I really liked watching us do a buddy comedy. Like the whole opening sequence. It was long, The two of us before it moved anywhere, and it was so funny to me, and I was like, oh man, this is nice. Look at us. We're not like surviving a stalker or sobbing or hitting each other.

We're just getting punched.

We're a great time. And I like to watch it.

That feels like a movie. I would like to see that. She probably should have been done in the early two thousands, like a female version of is it Look who's talking with the three men and a baby? But it's three but like bachelorettes and just girls that are like in college and VI Beta Kappa or whatever, and they're like, I don't know what to do with this thing.

I didn't realize how scandalous it was to see like a really young chick with a baby, you know what I mean. Like at the time, I didn't think there was anything weird about it, and watching it now in my forties, I'm like, oh my god, who would give a baby to these children?

Ah, Eldred do that they are children.

I loved this though.

Yeah they didn't send any instructions, yeah, like.

Yeah, yeah, they literally handed you a baby in the airport and just walked off. It was just you and this baby.

They were like a look, by the way, not.

Far off right, Like the universal thing that every single friend, no matter at what stage in their life says when they have a baby, is they just let you take it home from the hospital. They just send you home with this baby and nobody checks on you.

And it's like, yeah, it's kind of insane. I told you what the nurse said at the hospital. Did I mention this? After I gave Birthers The first night in the hospital and they bring out they roll out the little plastic bacinet. I swear I've said this before. I'm sorry if I have. They roll the little plastic basinet and they pull it next to your bed and it's your first night and they give you that little it's like a rubber it looks like a rubber ducky with a oh the sneeze the hand of it, yeah, the

Jolie, where did you give birth? Hand over? Oh my god, Oh my god, Joy, that's horrifying.

That's hord.

It was.

I just I just looked over it. I looked at Michael. I was like, he was like, I'll stay awake, I'll do the first shift. Don't worry.

That is not normal.

What can you imagine saying that too? But but it's true so many people, especially when you're just used to having being around babies or I guess if you're handing off babies to people all the time, it's just like there you go. It's no big deal. But Brooke handled it really well. I mean, I loved watching you go through all the rollercoaster of emotions in this episode. But

Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was really super sweet, and there was like, as much as I could tell, this was another strike episode where I was like, oh boy, we could have really done with just like a polish on this script. Like the I thought the device that you brought up Hill, the everyone exploring their home life worked well because we kind of just had to use the locations we knew we'd have and make the best

Yeah.

As much as I had moments where I was like, oh my god, when is this episode going to be over? I also I also really thought it was sweet and fun and I kind of loved it. I loved the way Mouth sort of wrangled the maturity and then Millie was like not so fast.

Yeah, yeah, this won me over this episode when it started I was in the same boat. I was kind of like, yeah, man, I got to watch a five year old's birthday party, Like, why am I watching this on TV?

It's not.

Drama? But it did win me over for sure. And there was so much throwback stuff in this episode. The Facebook status mention, the charts, you know, the Macy's like it was all just so May is still super relevant obviously, but like there's so many other things that just felt like a huge throwback that I kind of started to fall in love with it.

And the story did.

I agree it needed to rewrite like a polish, but the story did progress pretty well. Yeah, and even ending up, you know, reminding us all the things of Dan and ending up with Nathan and Dan having that conversation, and I feel like there was a lot that came out of its good.

You go from peyden Brooks place that's chaos and then to Mouth's place, which is also chaos. But this whole thing about like Millie's underwear, that was.

What I was gonna say, You guys, gross.

Gross, but like very real. I mean it is very teenage boy. Yeah, yeah, very teenage like twenties boys. But gross, have you guys ever lived with a bunch of guys. Yes, yes, I mean Hillary, you did with your brother's obviously.

Well, I mean.

Even when I first moved to New York, I moved into the dorms and I lived with like eight or nine other girls, because the dorms where I went to school were like sweets. So it's three bedrooms, three girls per bedroom, and then you had like the living room and kitchen area. So I went from living with all brothers to like a fleet of women, many of whom I'm still friends with. But it was an environment that

Yeah, after college, my parents were crushed. They were like, when when will you move home for your first summer? And I was like, I'm never moving home again. And I moved into All my best guy friends in college lived in this house together. There were eight of them in a house like right off campus near usc so fun. Two of them were moving home for the summer and so me and one of my girlfriends took their two rooms. So it was two girls and six dudes in a house and we had so much fun. But it is

Yes, I love that you were a camp counselor. Oh yeah, it's my favorite, And I wish I'd had that experience. It's so fun.

We had that big supermoon here and I went with a bunch of friends, Like we went out to the beach to see it. It was like the last one until twenty thirty seven. We were like, we got to do something fun. We showed up to the beach and I just like got all the bags out of the trunk of a sh a word, what are what's in these Mary Poppins bags?

Like why do you have all this?

I was like, guys, being a cam counselor never dies, never. I'm prepped and ready.

That's what it feels like, though you're right, it.

Feels like Millie's the camp counselor.

Yeah.

And I also feel like our culture really kind of romanticizes this kind of roommate situation, Like we grew up with Threes Company, you know, the New Girl was on the air forever, you know, Like there's a lot of TV shows about that odd man out roommate situation that make it seem so fun, like so fun, And I had forgotten that our show was in the mix. I like that we have this little interaction because all of

Ways well underwear a side. I did think that the energy was so so cute. And when Mouth and Millie come back from their grocery trip and they can't believe what the apartment looks like, Lisa Goldstein made me do a full spit take with did you know your couch was brown?

I was so good.

And when he opens the cabinet and everything, including like all the porn starts to fall out. I was like, oh, oh boy, it was really well done.

I wonder if Paul has lived this since he was the one directing it. Paul was like, where do I hide my porn the kitchen cupboards.

He's definitely lived with a lot of guys. I'm sure he's got great stories. Yeah, he was an athlete and the skills piece. I really like to bring in this element of because I kind of have forgotten about that that he was the one that led Jamie go to the bathroom by himself at the And yeah, I had forgotten that that was a thing. So I thought that was really nice.

That worked though, because I think we'd all forgotten, but he didn't. And isn't that real life? You know, like everyone else is kind of like, what are you talking about, Skills, but you can tell it's this thing that has been kind of festering or like troubling him. He had a lot of work to do this episode. I thought he was awesome.

Yeah, it was so much fun to watch Antoine and I loved I loved Skills coming to see Peyton at the office. It's like one of those things where you go, oh yeah, when they just don't know what to do with us and they give two of us a random scene. But it's so fun.

I love those I love that it's so realistic.

This is when they were going to set up Peyton and Skills getting together.

Oh, this was.

Because they're bringing Lindsay back and like toe in that putting that toe in the water, and they had always meant to hook Peyton Skills up. I was told at the time Jump that they were going to put us together because it was gonna piss Lucas off, like what are you doing dating my ex girlfriend? And it was gonna give everyone else be the excuse of, like you've dated everyone's ex girlfriend? What are you talking about? You know, like there was a whole trajectory mapped out, and I'm

Wow, and then when did it switch over to Barbara when she showed up looking hot like a snack guy.

Dude, Yeah, Barbara is so hot and so funny, and why do the writers have her being in a clown? What was that?

This this scene with her, No, that's exactly it's not a scene with her on her knees with the balloon getting blown up in her face. It felt it was such a far cry from the deb that we met in the beginning, and so far even from the deb that was in rehab, Like it just was completely bizarre.

Yeah.

I get that she's playful and you know, being goofy, but I don't, I don't know that was weird.

Well, I made a note of it. I just literally wrote, I hate this so much, but damn, Barbara commits and makes it funny. Like Barbara is so funny. She's capable of doing anything. But this is one of those things where you look back on an era and you know what wasn't being talked about in public discourse yet, and you just go, man, this did not age well. And it's a testament to her as an actor that she

Yeah, and she.

Had to just be charming and funny with her tits out. I was like, I wanted to like crawl in a hole and die and give her a high five for literally being a woman who you cannot phase with anything. She's like, Oh, you think I'm gonna be bothered? Watch how funny I make this? And I was like, hey, think you had to do it? Very impressed that you could.

If it were like a pack of chicks, right like, if I'm with you guys, or I'm with my girlfriends from high school and a clown blows up a flesh colored dick balloon in front of us, we all react for each other, right like we we like, maybe make a pervy joke for each other, right, But the fact that Dev's doing it alone with him for his benefit, I'm like, no, you do it for your girlfriend's benefit, right,

It was such a jarring moment, the scene with the clown, because she did commit so much to it, and because that scene works if it's in the hangover. That scene works in a movie. That is where it's that's what's set up, and that's who the character is. It didn't work as Deb because that's not who she is. But she made it work as just showing off what an amazing actress she is. But it still didn't for me.

Also, guys, I have to do my honorary mention right now, now, right now, it's right now, it's happening. I go fawed and like did a real spit take when when deb says be careful, Buco, he's done time, and Bucko says, haven't we all with the smile.

On his face.

It was so amazing I died.

I was a what show am I watching? But like, yes, I love that this clown was like, I'm gonna go protect this hot grandma. I don't know who this guy is outside also casually mentions he's done time too, and anybody like balloons, let's go back to the kids. That was just the right amount of comedic relief I needed in a Dan Scott moment.

Agreed, was this a precursor?

This is like the jumping the shark precursor to the dog eating the heart?

Yes, because he starts talking about the HCM.

Yeah. I feel like this is them testing the ground, Like, OK, how much girl?

They've been done testing for episodes. Now they're like, can we ride ourselves in? Can we have dev hook up with the clown? Can we have a dog eat a heart? It's all like a slow trickle to crazy town.

Yeah, slow trickle to crazy town. That sounds like a good name for the episode.

If it's not flesh colored dick balloon, oh, lush colored dick balloon is Why didn't they pick like a like a green one or like a purple one even been suggestive?

Because they just.

Needed to make it so clear.

Can you imagine the like mom that was watching that with her thirteen year old daughter, yep, do you know what I mean?

And the same thought, yes, all horrifying. I thought we could trust this show. Go get some popcorn, come back later.

And that, I guess is part of it, right is looking back. This is one of those episodes where the swings feel so big, like the ick of the dick balloon and everybody touching Millice's underwear underwea and then the swing to the sweetness of like the friendships Brook and Peyton together, Haley and Nathan having the mystery Jamie kissing that baby's head, you know, children's birthday party. It's so sweet on the one hand, and then so totally disgusting

I don't know.

I feel like two episodes got written and then they just cuts threw them together scene to scene.

Okay, wait, I do have a question, and Hillary you might know because this was y'all's scene when you and Antoine were together, Yeah, and you were giving the updates and talking about how MIA's number number two on iTunes was? Was Kate on iTunes at this point? Like had she just released an album? Does anybody remember were we trying to drive traffic to her stuff?

Like I think for sure we were always trying to boost her numbers because when we shot the library episode, remember they were using footage from that for her music video. Yeah, yeah, so her music video might have just been released, like she might have just had the song released into the wild, because when we were shooting the library episode, I remember her and our boss and he was like picking out which picture was going to be the album art for her release. And so I feel like there was so

I think that was five o nine and this is five point fifteen.

Yeah, so that time's out. Yeah, you know, if they were doing all that legwork right, then things would have dropped about now and maybe or prepping.

I wonder if they ever thought about just doing using her name. I wonder if it was confusing at all for the audience that she was releasing music on the show as Mia Catalano, but then her own stuff was out as Kate.

Speaking of real names, I loved in the episode when Skills comes to Nathan and Haley and you called him.

I loved that.

Yeah, it just made it so sincere because his character's name is also Antoine. We never use it.

He was, uh, yeah, it was sincere because he was he was being really honest and vulnerable. I guess it just seemed like it would have been strange to be like us Gills nowhere about it. Yeah, that was sweet.

I was.

I was happy to see those scenes come together. And I'm really looking forward to seeing Skills be around with Barbara like this. This is the juicy stuff. I'm super excited to get into. The two of them is so fun.

They I don't feel like, are they foreshadowing it in this episode because it's the other two dudes who see Barbara when they're all like sucking helium out of.

And it's Fergie and Junk being like I do her. I would marry deb you know. Like, I love how age appropriate they are. All the other characters are doing that is just out of the realm of reality. Junk and Fergie, those are our real time dudes.

Yeah, even the way they freeze watching Millie when they when they come around the corner and she's doing pilates and they just do not know what to do with a woman exercising in front of them, like.

And using their TV when they were about to watch their own show.

Yeah, like, and it's not creepy, and it isn't They're not being salacious. They just do not know what to do, and she knows they're uncomfortable and it makes her uncomfortable and everyone just sort of freezes because no one has ever interacted this way before. I loved it. It made me laugh so hard.

Them bumping into shit as they're leaving the room.

Yeah, like, no one.

Told them to do that.

They just did that, like into the bike prack. It was so great.

I love Collins crossover into Outer Banks because I don't care that the characters have different names. In my mind, Junk is the cop on Outer Banks.

Yes, he grew up to be the cop and outer Banks. Every time I see it, I think that too.

Yeah, good for him, man, that's exactly where Junk should be right now, just dealing with some medaling kids.

Well, and it's nice that the boys in their little container, like all those boys get to be silly and young and like we were talking about earlier, finding their way and a little bit broke and figuring out what their life is in this apartment. And two of them get to be ridiculous, and one of them, you know, Mouth, is trying to be less ridiculous for his girlfriend. And then you've got Skills, who's such a good uncle and so playful, but he's also dealing with something a little heavy,

Yeah, well, let's talk about the heavy shit then, because I thought Hailey was so great in this episode, in these scenes with Luke.

Mm hmmm, where okay, I'm going to play Kate you. I'm going to play Kate you. I'm going to tell you what you want to hear. I'm gonna tell you it's fine. That moment we were like stop it, I'm your best friend was fantastic.

I loved that.

Thanks, and I loved that you guys, you made it into something like it could have just been a scene in a corner at a party, but the fact that the two of you and Paul staged it with you helping him get ready and being like, what do you do? Who cares if she likes Blue? Like she doesn't like you, dude, and you're trying to give him these like honest answers and he just won't hear it, and you kind of without shaking him by the shoulders, you shake him by the shoulders and remind him of who you are in

I remember shooting those scenes. I have for some reason, I have a lot of memories of the scenes in Lucas's bedroom in the house. I just felt like Chad and I just got on really well, and so it was easy on set to be able to dive into the Lucas and Haley bff energy. And I had missed it because I spent so much time with James, who

But he.

Knew where everything was in that room and he always knew how to what to go to, what to grab onto, what to pay attention to. And Yeah, it was fun just moving around that space with him, and especially with Paul because he was our family. So it just those scenes always felt like family, but I did like the

Lindsay and I were styled hair and makeup wise so similarly. Yeah, that sometimes I get confused at who I'm looking at, and that's a weird thing to admit. Yeah, We're both wearing like the eyeliner on the lower rim, and our hair is styled very similar and our coloring is very.

Similar, so similar, Yeah.

And we stare at people the same way. We're just always like lurking over when Lindsay walks in, and like her and Lucas are locking eyes and then looking away over the group of children, Like that's a very Peyton Lucas thing to do. And so I'm just confused who I'm looking at. And so if he ends up with Lindsay, like, I'm okay with it. It's hot.

Like I always thought she was styled a little bit more New York business woman I guess at the beginning, but maybe she relaxed a little bit more into but you were also a little more dressed up for your job at the record label, so I guess.

It's really more like the hair and makeup. It's just okay. It's one thing if he like started dating like a zany redhead, you know, like, clearly we're different. But when you've got two chicks that have just a really similar aesthetic and their and they're saying that scene with Peyton and Lindsay where it's like hey, I'm sorry, and it's like no, really, it's not your fault. I could have said yes. That was such a big dick energy move from Realiz is so good.

When she said that to you, I went like, I guess how loud.

I loved it.

She delivered it so well too, because it wasn't she didn't do it like ant whole. She really was like, that's it's all good. I mean it's not, it's not all about you, but it's okay.

I'll still Yeah.

I loved it so subtle. It's so subtle and so sharp. Peyton needed that. It's like, baby, you're not even a factor here, but thank you, Oh thank go on, go back to the party.

I appreciated that Peyton was apologizing and just I don't even know exactly what you were apologizing for.

I thought about that. You know what Peyton did. She put a splinter in something, and you can live with a splinter. Splinter is not going to kill anybody. It's not going to really hurt anyone, but it's irritating. She added an irritant to their relationship that had it not shown up, maybe everything would have been fine. Maybe it wouldn't, you know, but she just she put a splinter in there.

But the truth is Lucas is the one that allowed the splinter to exist there. If he didn't still if he didn't still love Peyton, if he wasn't still thinking of that as a possibility, there's easy ways to just eliminate that from your relationship.

I mean, if he wasn't so invested in something else, like he still has a foot in the relationship with Peyton. Clearly he's got the frickin' ring he proposed to you with in the sock drawer, like dumbard. He only proposed to her because she found it. Like when you think about those things, it gets so uncomfortable, and what I appreciate about it is A. It gives us great drama

Like where is Fanz?

Yeah, like, please let us do some dumb, childish stuff. But I think that's part of what makes it complex. And in a way, I sort of felt like Peyton was apologizing for the fact that her and Lucas still had this stickiness, and Lindsay really owned it and was like, it's fine, it was my choice. And I was like, oh boy, I was not prepared for that. Oh boy, she's so mature.

She's like the most mature out of every single one of all.

All of us. Somebody gave me a baby and she is still more mature by far.

But then Haley gets Peyton to admit. She's like, do you love Lucas or do you just love the idea of him, and Peyton for the first time is like yeah, both, Like I love the idea of what we could have been.

Yeah, you know, those ideas are hard to let go of.

They are.

I just don't know why we're doing all this work to have Peyton detach just for them to end up together. Like this episode felt like a lot of like, well, I love him, I'm stalking them on the internet, but yeah, I'm gonna make some big admissions here.

I just feel like they did that all season, Like I I'm still mad about the fact that you and I had to shoot a scene where I looked at you while you're crying over the love of your life and I go, I'm gonna ask him to be my sperm downer, Like what that was?

The jump the shark line? It really was.

It was for one episode. We never talked about it again.

Here's the fan base is all like, we don't remember that, we don't remember you physically asking him, and so there has been a lot of speculation like are we reading into things? No? Is it possible.

She was just telling him I'm going to adopt a baby and he was saying, are you sure.

No, she says, I want to have a baby with Lucas, and then there's a scene that cuts in in a couple of episodes ago, I say it to Hillary, And then a couple episodes ago there's a scene that cuts into an episode with me and Chad mid conversation and he's like why and I'm like just think about it or whatever I say, like, and then it just went away.

Well, and they're doing so much work right now with Brooke and Lucas playing house in this episode, yeah, which also feels super weird.

They didn't know what they wanted.

They really didn't, because we spend the whole first act of the episode with Peyton and Brooke playing house together and then that's not good enough. Brooke then has to go and get help from Lucas in order to get her work done and like get the baby to sleep and stuff. That felt a little bit weird, but also we're setting up the whole like which girl is Lucas gonna pick? Situation? Maybe it's all just leading up to that.

Was it ever really a question though, if Lucas and Brooke would end up together? I mean, I think maybe in the first couple of seasons when they were dating it was, but now it's back to like friend energy. It just doesn't although I don't know, maybe that's just because in retrospect, I mean, that's the same Dawson and Pacey and Joey thing, where you know, constantly back and forth, what's it going to be?

Well? And in their conversation this episode, she asks him would you do anything different in high school? And he says, I would appreciate things or I would not take things for granted. Yeah, I would appreciate things that I'd taken for granted, meaning like her exactly you. Yeah, what we're alluding to. I don't know. I like them playing house used.

It does have that Felicity Ben and Nole energy or the Pacey Dawson Joey thing, just trying to figure out where do I fit. But Lucas is so it's funny being the age that I am now looking back and thinking what a mess this boy was, that he was so confused about who he was that he was just bouncing around in his emotions between these three girls constantly what do I want? Who do I want to be with? It's so selfish and just childish.

Well, if he's getting to play house with Brooke and he's getting to play professional with Lindsay and like kind of fulfill those needs with those two chicks, I don't necessarily know what he's getting out of, like the Peytent thing. I'm all for it.

A Peytent thing could be just the idea of what what was, what used to be, And do I really want to let go of the possibility of how romantic, especially as a writer, how romantic it is to fall in love with your first love and have go through all this and then come back together and have it work. I think that's a really appealing storyline, personal storyline in the mind of a writer for their own life. So I would think that that's sort of what he's getting out of the Peytent thing.

Sophia, did they make you think that you guys were like back on the path after that whole play in house scene.

No, No, they were always really clear by this point. But I think because there was so much energy around, like you know, you and I and the love triangle was so good for business, and there was so much like remember this was the era of like those message boards. There was so much like team message hearts where I was like, oh, well team Brook and Brook and Peyton are on each other's team, right, the boy has to

With poor Chad?

Like I know, and to your point, joy like sort of there was a lot in this episode that felt like it referenced our early seasons in the dynamic mm hmm, and like I think they really wanted to get back to that, like Willy or Woney with us from season one.

I mean, but for him, was he ever vilified? Like I know, like the Brook fans hated Peyton and the Peyton fans were like, God, damn it, bro get out of the way. Was Lucas ever in trouble with the fan base.

I don't think so. I think they all just loved.

All that, all that brootia. Well here's what I'll say. Chad was always great with kids. Seeing him with the baby in this episode was handsome, like he yeah, I like you know, even when like Peyton and Lucas have their baby together that day, well, you know, when we would shoot stuff with the baby, I was just like, wow, you are good at this. How many younger siblings does he have in real life? He's got He's got a bunch of siblings.

Aren't there four of them?

I don't know what the I know he.

Had like a little sister, so like the little girl thing, he was already good at. And I liked seeing that baby just smile at him. You know, there were girls at home that were like what I wouldn't give to be a baby and she sitting on his lap right now.

I did love that though, seeing Brooke and Lucas just being friendly and helping each other out, and yeah, yeah, it's hard to be young and have a new baby suddenly thrust on you, and then to have a man who's willing to be nurturing and show up and help out it was lovely.

Well, and to have a friend who can be supportive, and I thought it was so sweet, you know, the nerves. I remember that line asking him like does everyone know more about babies than me? Which made me giggle because I was like, you know, I took care of other people's kids to like pay my bills, So I was like, it's funny to have to play a person who doesn't know what to do with the baby.

Yeah, And you know, it was kind of.

Cool that the Lucas character then talks about what it's like to have a little sister born when you're eighteen, you know, Nia and I talk about that a lot. My best friend has younger siblings who were born when she was a teenager, and she's she always jokes like, yeah, well, what it's like to be the first pancake. That's like a little misshapen and a little you know, like your

And I don't know.

I love the dynamic of somebody being like, yeah, I know because I have a sibling, but essentially I'm an uncle. And it was sweet. And in the same way that I liked watching Haley and Lucas, I liked watching Brooke and Lucas. I like seeing these strong friendships in dynamics that, you know, let's be honest. On teen dramas, usually when you got a boy and a girl on screen, it's romance, and it's refreshing to see platonic friendship.

Yes, yeah, he's not playing anything suggestive right like he could have.

He seems like he's really trying to do the right thing, like he's trying to stick the course with Lindsay and really commit to it.

Well, if he's feeling so lonely because he's in that house, like he begged that chick, let's spend the night. Please keep the key, keep the key, he said, this is your home, and she puts it on the dresser. That was that hurt.

It hurt, and the great way that Paul directed the misdirect her walking in with that big overnight bag. I was like, what's happening, what's going on? And she was just coming to get the rest of hers. I was like, oh my god, telling you she could have said yes, and then coming in with that empty bag.

To pack up.

I was like, Lindsey, Yeah, she's really showing everybody who's boxing out.

She's out, and sitting in an empty house after you've been rejected is a terrible feeling, you know. Lucas was like that baby, this baby can stay all week. You'll just I guess what, Brooke, I got a kid grip. You want a key, spare key's right here.

Please, I had it made for you today, did Joe?

I love it? I love it. No, that's a that's a sweet energy. I thought the family stuff was really sweet. I loved seeing Lucas and Nathan talk to each other in this episode at the birthday party and just kind of like confide in one another where it's like I have best friend status and I have husband status. There's just a real camaraderie there that makes the Dan stuff really pop because it's like all of these people love each other and they're setting a boundary with this guy

Yeah sad to see him tell his son I have six months to live and have Nathan leave. And yet what else was he going to do. It's the boy who cried Wolf, like he's just burnt all the bridges.

Nobody believes Dan at this point.

No can I say it? He's never looked better like evil man with his haircut and this tamb like Dan Scott has never looked better. Allow.

It looked like he's got six months alone.

No, No, And I thought there was a there was a moment where I thought deb was going to open that door and be like, Okay, what's up? And she didn't. Good for her, I'm a weaker woman than Deb. But him offering Nathan his childhood sanctuary and Nathan rejecting it is a big metaphorical decision. I liked that he was like, I'm not going to give my son the same childhood that I had. I refuse.

Yeah. Well, And on that sort of theme of nostalgia, Dan giving Jamie Nathan's first jersey. He's really trying to pull Nathan back into these happier times childhood we could go back, and Nathan's just not taking the bait. And it's really it's really nice to watch, you know, he's really standing.

In his.

Fatherhood and his manhood and just saying I'm not going to be like you.

Yeah, I'm not going to let you continue to take advantage of me. I mean it's been just doing it for years and years and years. Yeah, it's to the point on the show now where we've just after watching these episodes so much, I'm like, I don't believe I don't even believe him. How do we even know it's true? Yeah? And even if you can, it's he only feels bad when it affects him, when it's you know, he's just totally incapable of empathy.

The thing that wrapped all of this up really nicely for me, and that I loved watching through the whole end of the episode was actually the conversation that Brooke and Lucas got to have together them being friends. To me, teed up everyone's sort of ending montage because she asks him, you know, is this how you thought our lives would turn out? Do you ever do you ever want to

Everyone is in.

This place that they need to be, that they've worked to get, however hard it's been to get here. And you see all these lovely things happening, people being in these good zones, the three of you as a family, you know, Mauf and Milly and the guys and Lucas and Angie and Brooke and this new friendship, and like it goes through all this stuff, and then Dan talking about hometown glory, gets shut down by the son who

Yeah, me too.

Adele, How did we get that Adele.

Wait?

Was she was she Adele when we got that song? Or was she? Did she have an album? Was this before twenty one came out?

I mean this was right at the beginning.

She was just a baby.

Yeah. I think her album probably came out in two thousand and eight.

It's crazy crazy, It's.

Amazing that we got that.

I know.

I was like that voice.

Wait, I was like, is this happening right now?

This is like when somebody said, you know, oh, we've got this great new artist. We want to put it on Wintrey Hill, we need some placements on TV.

Have you heard of this album called nineteen?

Like?

Excuse you?

Yeah? It did it?

Did?

It came out in two thousand and eight?

Love it?

Oh boy, Lindsay Wolfington.

That's my honorable mention since we're throwing him out here. Yeah, Adele is my honorable mention for sure.

I'm gonna go with Barbara for this one because I just think she she commits like nobody else, just so good.

I'm raising my hand and saying I got to actually do a tie. The Adele sink big and for me, the platonic friendship energy I really enjoyed because you got to do it Joy, and so did I, and.

So did Millie.

Yeah, and Millie did with the boys that's a really good point less one on one but as a group.

And Peyton with skills Yeah, you're right.

God, yep, and Hayley with skills. There was just so much good.

Yeah, I really love it. It just adds a vibe like not everything has to be romance all the time, and I love it.

Yeah, man, I'm into all of that. I mean, look, overall, I liked this episode.

Yep.

I thought I had some dick jokes that I wasn't crazy about. But what doesn't you.

Know, especially in two thousand and eight, Yeah.

Two thousand and eight. We're gonna look at it through that less obsessed.

All right, we have a listener question.

Yeah, what is it?

From Melissa? Him? Melissa? Why do they have Jamie's birthday in the middle of basketball season, but Haley went into labor on graduation day?

Someone's been paid attention?

Yeah that is we could have used you in the writer's room, Melissa.

Yeah, where were you in two thousand and eight? Melissa? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

Nope, yeah, no's we cannot answer your question with anything reasonable. No, good excuses writers strike. Yeah, I guess you.

Know what they do for my daughter's kindergarten. She's five, Jamie's five. Is that all the summer birthdays celebrate half birthdays because no one's around in the summer for parties. That's literally the only thing I can think of to tell you, Melissa, is that it's his half birthday. It's not his real birthday. That's all I got.

It's his un birthday.

Very unhappy birthday to you.

I like you, sho we spend a wheel.

I want to.

The lord.

Who's most likely to go viral on TikTok? All right, I've got an answer because we don't see her, and I think it's a missed opportunity. I think Lucas's little sister, Lily, being like a remote kid is all about like TikTok life, Yes, especially because she's like in her early twenties now. Yeah, she's doing all those little silly dances where she's like tapping her hips and clapping her hands.

And especially being a kid to your point who grew up. When you said remote, it made me think about like her life traveling with these fancy parents, Like you know, she's probably like a modern era, like bind Or Win meets Emily in Paris. Yeah, she has an interesting life for people to follow on the internet. Yeah, and you know she's Karen's kids, so she's probably a really nice person.

Yeah. Remember Karen would always say like dorky mom shit like I can only imagine Karen's TikTok assessment. Oh my god, like I'll do a dance with you? Oh sure, laying it on real thick who does TikTok in real life? Because I don't have TikTok, so I don't know who of our friends is on there.

I mean Barbara, Barbara's daughters. Oh yeah, I don't know who else.

I mean Grace who played Baby Jenny made me do a TikTok video with her when we were at one of the conventions. It was like her and a bunch of the other young actresses for like, let's do a TikTok dance, and I was the old person being like, I'll stand in the back, I'll clap are you all right? Well, if you guys are making TikTok videos about drama queens, make sure you tag us because I don't know how to do it. So I'm glad you are well.

Come back next week, everybody. Next episode's gonna be Season five, episode sixteen. Crime won't help you now. Oh, I can't wait to see what happens.

Then that makes me nervous. Sometimes the titles, I go, oh boy, what are we in for? Yeah, we'll find out next week.

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