Blurred Lines • EP203

a good tough watch. What I almost feel like it's a pattern that we get such a great episode and then we go, oh, there it is, and then we lose get it. It's it's like toxic love. I don't know what it is. Maybe that goes too far anyway, about everyone, We're We've just watched season two episodes three, near Wild Heaven, Harry and I feel like we might have been in hell. That's that's actually exactly perfect purgatory. Indeed.

This show first aired October five, two four, and the synopsis is although Nathan and Haley are already married, Tim insists on throwing Nathan a post wedding bachelor party, while Brooke throws Haley a bachelorette. Meanwhile, Lucas tries to decide whether he should visit Dan in the hospital. Okay, but here's what the real episode is about. Just strippers. Like the thing is just a it's a fantasy of what

teenagers are into. Um, I don't know any sixteen year olds ever who had the courage, capability, financial liquidity, or frankly, like even the thought to try to hire a stripper. Strippers were grown up. Well, yeah, that's a like is it a felony to hire one if you're underage, like for them to perform for children? So the answer is because Sofia, this happened to me the day I graduated high school. So my girlfriends at home, we're listening to this is gonna be like, oh no, she's throwing us

under the bus. What happened? We graduated and there was like a pool party the last day of senior year of high school, and so we all went to the community pool. It was sponsored by the school, and one of our classmates, who was like super cool, was eighteen, and she's like, I'm going to get us a hotel room tonight so we can have a slumber party. And we're thinking, like, oh, my god, that's crazy. Like we're

gonna have a hotel room slumber party. That's insane. We get to the hotel and then she springs it on us. She's like and and yes, end, I've also hired a stripper. And I'm like, whoa, I'm Queen Virgin. Man. I'm like, no way, not happening. So this dude shows up dressed as a bad cowboy and there's like everyone there's under eighteen except our friend who hired him. And I'm just like, we look like babies. We look like babies on this show, and we were twenty two back when we were really babies,

were definitely babies. And he proceeds to like put putting on my friend and lick it off. No, it was brought a duffle bag full of like jello putting. You know. It was incredibly inappropriate. And so he like went to every girl and I had seated myself, you know, like in hotel rooms how they have the side table with the lamp. I was like in a back corner with a lamp, and as he started to walk towards me, I was like, nope, done, called the cops. Done done,

And that dude got dressed so fast. Uh yeah, he jokingly was like, you guys are eighteen, right, and everyone just kind of looked around. It's so it wasn't like all fun and games like this episode, Like, no, guys, the reality is that it's like mortifying and can be funny, but only only when the adults in the room are the ones that are embarrassed, because they should be. Um,

you're supposed to card card. It's a really simple process. Yeah, I just it weirds me out the number of times that things were written for us to portray that border into not only things that are just straight up illegal, but like, why did the grown ups we worked for I think it was okay, whether it was Nikki saying

to Jake, has she likes them young? Or these this woman, this adult woman stripper that Tim's brother hired telling Nathan you're young, you're funny like this this guy stripping for all these girls, Like oh man, I just remember how uncomfortable it was, And I'm like, who are these people we worked for who thought this was acceptable? By the way, we know who they were, and I promise you no one wanted to have sex with them when they were teenagers. That's just the well, they used to yell at us

about that. So I remember remember coming up in season three when I went to do that movie on Hiatus and I cut my bangs, and he shall not be named screamed at me. The first thing we were at working was like all the cheerleaders in at school, they all had bangs. None of them ever wanted to me, and I hate women with bangs. And I was like, I think what you're saying to me is so far past the line that, um, I don't know how to

respond to you. Is that the name of this? There's so much uh, yeah, there's If there's ever an episode where people are like, oh, we can see what's going on behind the curtain on One Tree Hill, this is one of those episodes. So let's start what happened at the beginning of this, because okay, the beginning actually opened in the sweetest way on us hanging that beautiful board of polaroids. Those polaroids are so iconic. We were like,

oh man, this is so sweet. We love this. And then poor Brett Clay, well, I mean, what a sweet man, what a sweet actor. This is when they really started to pick on Brett in the writer's room and make him do very inappropriate things. You know. This is when they had characters start calling him dim um and and they they had him quote ordering strippers on the phone as though he were ordering take out right. It was a very racist little ramp. It was very racist and inappropriate.

And I just really feel him. You know, you're a good actor. And he committed because that's his job, and they always lorded his job over him. So he's like, if I don't show up and do this, they just bobwing me back. Yeah. Yeah, And I think that that's such an immense amount of pressure to put on a young person, oh man, But he sells it and he makes Tim a lovable character because he is so messy. Um. They could have they could have given him a layer

of humanity, Poor poor sweet Tim. And you know what else they did in that opening scene that we didn't like. They made fun of Joyce satin bra, which we love so much. Okay, So just so you guys know that was a calculated move because you've seen or you've heard, uh in the episode where Haley and Nathan finally get together, like, joy put a lot of thought into what she was going to wear in that scene. She didn't want it to be like a wonder bral you know, like there's

a lot of thought, and we loved it. You know, we made her look vulnerable and young and you know, kind of bohemian and cool, and so by scripting it in to this episode, that was a way to make fun of her and her choices. But like, no, it's not us, it's the storyline. And so Zophie and I both like cringed when we saw that because we you know, we knew what was going on behind the curtain um and I like that. Bro I stand by it. I stand by it too. And and it was difficult for

all of us. It was difficult for Tim to have to say things he didn't agree with. It was difficult for us as women to go, oh, so you guys and the writers who want to make fun of Joy and you're going to make Hilary and Sophia do it as Brooke and Peyton, and they're like, oh, we need to upgrade you, upgrade you to what like some male stand up pin up fantasy, which is what this entire episode is like, very girl. I just love that we

checked our boot cut jeans one for this. I also love that we huddled in the back of that party bus when the boy stripper came because we were all so genuinely terrified. Can we tell the story? Is it bad? I don't think it is. I don't think a story. Okay, this is one of the iconic stories of our little trio, um and a really like bonding moment for the three of us because we were all equally scandalized. So give it to them, man. Okay. So this gentleman, a real pro,

shows up. You know the gag we play, which I actually really appreciated this, like, you know, Brooke and Peyton have orchestrated this whole thing. We call each other, Yeah, we call each other Cameron and Gwen, and I was like, this is very cute. I like this. And you know, we pretend that the party bus is broken down and get the driver to pretend to yeah, and the driver we were like seller acting sir um. So this mechanic shows up, like we can't call Lucas. So some other

tow truck comes and the mechanic is a stripper. Now we don't know anything, We don't know who he is or what his credentials are. And he's like, oh no, yeah, no, I'm a I'm a real stripper. This is my thing, starts telling us about where he dances, and like I must be like genuinely like like interested, like tell us everything. Yeah, what is that like for you? Yeah? And also like did you play sports in high school? And like who taught you? Like who who got you into the game?

You know. Like he was an interesting dude to talk to and was actually very respectful of us, because I think he could tell that we weren't like I think he's probably used to women aggling him and like wanting to touch him and stuff, and we definitely didn't want to touch him, like we were like we're professional, we're very nervous. What I do remember is that the story

we're about to tell was the turning point. Like he came in all with all his swagger, expecting to be hit on because he's a performer and like you said, he's very used to being ougled and objectified and whatever. And he he did his bit for us, and we were all so taken aback if we didn't respond very quickly and perhaps we're projecting, but very quickly he was like, oh dear, this is not okay. And then he got really chill with us and like just told us his story.

But his his gag was, you know, he had his rip away track pants on, and he came on the party bus after we did the initial scene and he goes, I can't even say I still at first because because we were I don't know how it came up. I vaguely remember a story about like body hair removal or something like this, requirements of butts. He was telling us that all the mail strippers shave their butts, that's what

it is. And we were like, wow, your job is crazy, and he goes, yeah, you know, there's a lot that goes into it, and something about like how you make yourself, I don't know, look valuable. You guys, I'm sweating on the inside of you know, we're both so sweaty. I had a robe on while we were latching the episode and I had to take it off because it's like we're pre menopausal of this. We're like, I'm so anxious,

I'm having a hot flush. Um. So he says, essentially he's giving us the cute lines about how you get ready for being this hot guy, and I'll never forget it. He's got his track pants on and no shirt, and he leans in and he says, and you know, the most valuable part, the most valuable thing I have from my job, I'm a cock hung below the knee with your name on it. And we froze. We just shut down entirely. I still, I've got goosebumps all over my arms.

So because it's mortified, my whole bad. He feels my chest is so tight. I remember, like in my head, I know that we were with our whole crew. You know, there were lots of people around, but when that happened, there was just a group of girls in lingerie tops on a bus with a man who was older than us. And I genuinely I felt threatened. And and I know

that wasn't his intention. And as he says it to us, and we all look around frozen, he's not paying attention because he's rolling up his left pant leg and he and he rolls his pant leg up to his knee and then he puts his heel on like the top. And there is a tattoo, you guys, of a rooster hung by its feet, hanging upside down, and it has a banner across it, like one of those banners people get across hearts that say mom, but in the banner it says the words your name on it. It's below

his knee. Friends, a rooster hung by the feet from the side of this man's kneecap with a banner, so a quote cock with your name on it. And we all were like, we were so relieved. I was so weird because I had no idea what he was doing with his pants when he went to show this to us, and I'm like, this is gonna go so bad, this is gonna go so bad. And you know that the nervous energy of just like, oh oh, this is like a very like it's very much a joke, but that

he has on his body permanently forever. And then when he looked up like huzza, here's my joke. I think he I really believe that he saw the shock on our faces and was like, oh no, man, these girls are babies, and very quickly rolled the leg down and then just started to tell us all the secrets of stripping. And I will say thank you to this actor who he was hooked up on the vibe and immediately changed course and was honestly just so lovely to us and

put in such an awkward position. Exactly, Hey, dude, all the all the directors and all the dps and everyone else will be out like in the road, while you guys are just on the bus and just at Natural, just at Natural. So he's doing what he knows how to do. And we have also been so traumatized that we're just like, I don't know what's happening. This whole episode is about nudity and weirdness, and we'd like the

prude girls. But by the way, like, had that happened today, Like if we were on set today and some like dude rolled in with this story, you and I would be like salty and down with it and just another one captain. You know, It's just I'd be like rolling up again. I want to take a video for my Instagram story on Instagram. That's exactly what would happen. But that has been a story that we've privately enjoyed forever. Listen, can we find him? Do we know what his name is?

I wonder you know what? Like, I bet he's a dad out that's the thing. It's Eric mean, Eric, Eric with ah Eric, Hey, Eric, if you're out there, hit us up on our drama Queens page because you were great man. Yeah, you made you made what was an awkward day at work incredibly memorable. Yeah. Just talk about being a team player. And do you still have that tattoo? Yeah? And like, have you inspired other people in your industry to get that tattoo or was that an industry standard.

It's like, you know when you see people with the Masonic ring and you're like, oh, you're a Freemason. Yeah, you know, Gus, that tattoo kind of code for when you're at the supermarket and you're like, set boss, we'll see you later. Um. I don't know. Is it a tattoo you're only allowed to get when you graduate to a certain level? Like, well, well, did that joke end

up being in Magic Mike. I loved Magic Mike because it minded me of this dude, because you were like learning all the trade secrets and they were kind of demystifying. You know, there's so much talk about females who get into stripping, but not a ton about boys. At that point. Magic Mike was the first time anyone ever, you know, aside from those Chippendale skits on snl um, no one else really talked about it. Um. Yeah, all right, well

that was a weird night. Yeah, us going to the lingerie shop again after hours book Davis had a key to that store at sixteen come what you know who? Bevin. Bevin gave me such deb Scott energy in this episode. It reminded me when Barbara came on during our season one rewatch and was talking about Oh no, I felt great. I wanted to jump in it. I was like, you know, put it on film forever, and and Bevin was so like, this is hilarious and I look awesome, and you're good

for you dude. She inspired me to try to be more comfortable with my body. I I love varying levels of comfort in women, because what I never want to do is like shame women who are like, no, my body's awesome, look at it, or women who are like, don't touch me. You know, there's everyone's got their own comfort level, and it comes to you in different phases of your life. And you and I being cancer babies, you know, like being born so close together and being

like very guarded little princesses. Growing up, we were square as all so real square, and we ended up turning into monsters as we got older. But um, we certainly weren't there Season two definitely not no. And I think that that's also really important. Everyone finds permission to be more and more of themselves, whether that's someone with very strong boundaries, someone who wants to get out there and date and experiment, someone who doesn't like. Whatever you feel

is perfectly valid and great. And I will say one of the things that I appreciate, uh about our lives and their trajectories and you know, the things that have gone well and the mistakes that we've made. For me, what helped was being more of a late bloomer. Yeah, I've always been slower to figure out that stuff. When it's when it's for us, when it's learning, when it's systems, I'm like, oh, I get it. And when it's like how do I exist as a person in the world,

how does this work? I've always been real slow and that's okay. You know. I think the stronger our boundaries are, the easier it is for us to loosen up in other areas. Do you know what I mean? Because when we're your kids, we don't have boundaries, So all of the lucy goosey stuff felt like very scary. And now I'm like don't touch me. You're cann look at it, but you don't. Don't think you're out your your fence posts kids, and then you can feel safe in your

own yard. Well, and to your point, I think the most important thing is to not use whatever your personal feelings of discomfort are on your self discovery journey to judge other people. Some people come into themselves real fast. More power to them. Some people take a while, more power to them. Some people try, get scared, get hurt, or make a mistake and then go back in the other direction. More power to them. Let people figure themselves out and be kind like, none of us know anyone

else's journey in the in the clearest terms. And so I really do think you're right. You hit the nail on the head when you said it's important to represent people at at varying levels. I liked that Bevin and Sarah were so comfortable in their bodies and loved being in lingerie. Oh my god, we celebrated them. And also I liked that that we got to represent girls who felt more like us, who were like I don't I'm not there yet, maybe I'll learn, and and I like that we got to do I like that we got

to run the gamut of that. Let's get there together. But let's do it like like like Grace and Frankie like we should do it in our O. My god, that is us. So if you and I are going to be seventy five years old, just like, who wants some of this? Okay, we've got our hotness queen joining us. Um, this is a special treat for you guys. So if

do you want to bring her in? She is finally here, the icon herself, the woman who stayed on our show when we all felt like she should have been on us, And now we've got betting Prince on the podcast today. Everyone heyd. We were just giving the fans your intro and I was like, I thought you were going to pop in, and I was like, the woman who stayed on our show when we all thought she should have been on SNL, she's here, Bevin Prince. And then we were like, oh no, so that's what we said about

you high Well, that's the nicest thing ever. I'm so happy to see your faces. This is miss you guys so much. Tell me everyone't aged Bevin. This is some balloonek ton of boat talks and no filler. Okay, is that it? Yeah, that's the key. It's not farm life. And just like Kevin, duction on you at all times, because that's what I was trying and whatever. Both of

you looked twelve. I watched the episode last night, which and all honest to you guys, that was the first time in like twenty years I've watched a full episode and that was a doozy. That was a doozy. I was traumatized nothing we're talking about. I was blown away. I was like, what kind of what kind of dirty? We didn't we were saying? We were like had last week was such a lovely episode. It was the Nathan

and Haley wedding reception at Trick. Before it was Trick, we were like, got our show is so sweet and wonderful. Look at all these emotional conversations, and then we have full blown, like emotional whiplash this week. We're like, oh, okay, uh, maybe we should just move on from this. Well, so, Bevin, you had already been living in Wilmington's and you were kind of our tour guide to the area. You were our introduction to like a lot of members of our community.

You were like, I know it barred to go to you know, like you were a ringleader, and so can you tell us a little bit just like backstory wise, because the trajectory of like you being a cheerleader on the show to now having to strip on the show and run underwear. I need to know how your parents they handled that. It was your backstory. So we understand where we are in the sea where I came from, and um the prayers my mother has been saying for the past twenty years for my soul. Uh so. Yeah.

I grew up in North Carolina and Carry, which is two hours west of Wilmington's and my first year of college I went to NC State. But then you n c W opened the film program and in my mind, I was like, I want to be an actor. Did I know what that meant? No? Did I do any acting? No? Bring you things? You get to wear pretty dresses and someone does your hair and makeup. I want to do that. So I transferred to u n c W my sophomore year because it was the only program in the southeast,

the only fund program in the southeast. Yeah. So um. I transferred to unt W and then was in turning to the casting office and the guy sitting next to me was like, um, he was putting together a folder of all the cheerleaders and he was like, Bevin, you were a dancer, you were a cheerleader. Do you have any interest in being a cheerleader on the show. And I was like, I've never been on set before. That would be cool. Maybe this is month. Um. So I

was like, of course. And so then I started doing that. We were making seventy five dollars a day, shut up for you know, sixteen eighteen hour days. It was like, yeah, it's like being in Dallas Cowboys cheerleader exactly, exactly exactly. So um, and I was still in college. I was like trying to finish my degree at the same time, which was kind of a was really calm plicated for me. Um. Yeah.

And then you know, I think because we were displaced from Hollywood, I got to know you guys so well, and you know, so if especially you were such a champion for me along the way with everybody, and you know, and then they started to like, let me do things.

We're just gonna name your character. Well you know what I remember, which was so funny because you know, all those all those early years when we were all together, like especially you and me and Daniella, like our our little group that we started to get so tight inside of meant that so often when we needed something, yeah, it would be like, well, why don't we have Bevan

say this? Like we Danielle should yell this, Like come on, it can't just be me, Hillary and Joy who are like the ones talking while everyone else is like smiling, and this is ridiculous. And and because no one knew how long the show was going to be on, where things were going to go. I think for the you know, the script supervisor and the A d s in their head, they were like, okay, great, so they just called you all by your names. And then one day someone said

Bevin in an episode. And then I remember like four episodes later, everyone went, USh, we've actually named you your name. Sorry it was Hillary. And it was when we did um a fashion show. I don't know why we were doing it. I guess we were doing another like lingerie fashion show. Basically story, wasn't it always right? Because that's what teenagers do? Yeah, Like the teenagers now all were like big hoodie sweatshirts and like the Billie Eilish big yes,

God bless that child. God bless her. I love it. Um. Yeah, so it was Hillary, and so they were just like, I guess we gotta keep it. Didn't up your life, Bevan to like be on the street and have people be like Bevin and have them paying Now after you know, several generations have been exposed to this and you know, incredible show. People stop me and They're like, did you change your name to Stop And I'm like, no, yess I'm I'm I'm fully formed human here. No, I did

not my name be a c W character's name. No, but that's a good story, Like that's credit murder. The whole cast, like Dad would be some serious single white females. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, you know, it was such a weird time though, like for those of you guys at home who don't know, I mean, it's ancient, ancient history. But at the time Brett who plays Tim was dating Sarah Edwards or where's

the red Lingerie in this show? And so it really did feel like we were all just like a pack of kids Roman Wilmington's together, like doing Halloween and going to Pravda and playing pool and like, yeahth terrible things. Well, Bevin, we told the story last week about how you know when people go like what was it like? And um, and also why did your show seem so messy? We

were like y'all missed it. It was just us in a town full of college kids who were younger than us and then retired dads and granddad's playing golf like we were all we had. So we actually lived a high school teen drama like he really didn't in real life. And oh man, it was hilarious and the show I want to watch, honestly, same. I think about it all the time, you guys. I had written a treatment in like our trailer, because Sophia and I shared a trailer.

I remember writing a treatment while we were on the screen gems lot because you know, we were surrounded by a huge chain link fence and there's like barbed wire atop the fence, and I remember fans lining up outside of the fence to like try and get autographs or take pictures, you know, back when we use disposable cameras

instead of iPhones. And I remember it was before The Walking Dead ever aired, and I remember thinking, this is the best zombie movie ever, where like the whole world is infected except for this cast and crew of a teen trauma and they've got it's like we've got the catering department. We've got like all these different people who were skilled at things, who've got grips, electrics, you know, like build stuff, people who know how to arrive. But

like who dies first? Like who dies in this situation first? It's definitely met even a question. I think I think the Bevin of the group is the one that makes it to the end. It's just like, handle this. I'm just really smart, right, Yeah, the last two left standing or Bevin and Skills, that would be my dream starting a new world. Well, and that was such a maze. I feel like turning point, at least in the way that I remember it. It's a bit of a blur because we did it for so long, But you know,

Skills and Bevins start dating. And I really feel like you were so cemented into the show in that storyline. For you and Antone, what do you remember about that, like when they brought that to you, when they told you you were gonna truly become, you know, a part of the cast. What what was that experience when did you go for being a cast? Remember that was awesome. That was a good day. No, in all honesty, Like

I remember it so clearly. I remember when they came to me and they told me that Bevin and Skills were going to have this romance. It was it's it's like, it's really hard to process because it kind of feels like winning the lottery, especially looking back at it, and you know, seeing how many incredible actors they're are out in the world that don't even get the opportunity to walk into the room to audition for You're really that you take what can be kind of clunky on a

page and you make it fad. Yeah, well that's very kind, thank you. I mean, I I really do think I have a lot of skills, but I really don't think I know, Ben we Gotta. I'm like, I'm going to jump on that moment for a second, because look, you're right, there's so many people out there in the world who want to do this, but there were also so many people on our set who wanted to do it. There's a reason we went to bat for you and said,

give this girl lines like absolutely own hilarious. You know, we were like, that's the comedy gold, go go in that direction, and that was here. When I look back at it, there, I really, I really can find a lot of things that I'm incredibly proud of, right, I think one of the things that I'm super proud of is my ability to show up and show up really hard. Like if somebody asked me to shake my pom pom, I'm not going to shake it lightly. Like I took

that a day job very seriously. Like when I was told to cross the stage to the stage room, I crossed the room. Like maybe there's a scene in the last episode at Nathan and Haley's wedding reception where you're just dancing in the background and I could not see anything else going on because I was like, that looks so fun. We just kept saying over and over again, this looks like the best party ever because you're there, not even like the central character in the scene talking,

You're there making it look like the best ever. And that's so much harder. That's like such a harder job. I don't I don't know. It was pretty painful to watch this episode and have all like the shots of me not saying anything but being behind you guys, just like nahing and being like like pointing and nodding and reacting non like, oh god, I love it. I loved it. Guys were adorable. Well what did your parents like when they had you in underwear? Like? Right up? You know?

And honesty, my parents are not modest at all, like the really like it's not worse than a swimsuit, you know, and good people, so they don't they don't even think about it. They've never even talked about it, and you don't. Honestly, I feel like my mom might be proud of it. Okay, good girl, Well that's what we're saying. We're like, you know what would record that for all posterity? Yeah, heart media at all. But y'all can I get those boobs back? Please? Girl?

I was talking about Joy's boobs the whole time we watched the episode, because I was like, you know, they've got this stripper coming over, but meanwhile, Hayley's like banging in this episode, and yeah, who needs a stripper? It is funny to look back. We've we've been laughing so much. Bevan on the show being like, oh man, we were all so self conscious and uncomfortable and like, look at us, can I have that back? Oh my god? The skin was like no idea. We had no idea, but you know,

I guess that's what they say. I was about to say the most cliche thing. I'm just gonna say it, like that's probably why they say youth is wasted on the young. And I'm like, I'm just gonna go walk into traffic like I got who have I turned into? I am? I am my grandfather? Oh my god, it's where we are now. You're gonna throw it out lightly as your own. So you you worked on One Tree Hill and then you worked on like a bunch of

other stuff too. You were doing a movie, not great stuff, but you worked um, and then you moved here to New York, right, yeah, Well then after yeah, I moved first day to grad school in Savannah, Georgia. It's scad. How in the world did you finish college and grad school? Because Sophie and I dropped down we were like these guys.

So I was kind of like a you know, I wasn't getting as much work as I wanted, and I was thinking that I was going to go into the production side of things with my undergraduate degree, and I was like, maybe I would like the possibility of teaching one day, like I've always been interested in teaching and some capacity. So I was like, if I get my masters, I can teach anywhere. So I went got my masters, and I graduated Excelsis laureate, which is valedictorian of all. Yeah.

It's like my proud moment Bevin is the one that survives the zombie apocalypse. Yeah. So I did that in Savannah, Georgia, which was amazing. It was such an interesting experience to being twenty nine going back to school with twenty year olds who are like, you've already done it, what are you doing here? And I was like, I don't have a tool kit. I don't have at of tools to self validate, and this business is tearing me apart. It's like I didn't know how to validate my own work.

Like if if I had gone in and auditioned and like I could be like, okay, I did this, this is and this it's not about me, it's you know, they can decide if I'm right for it or not.

Move on, great job. I would think I would take it so personally, and you guys know, I was, you know, wildly insecure, young kid who just was finding her footing in l A and so it was the best decision for me to kind of pull myself away, and it was really just a shotgun course and like therapy and discovering who I am and humbleness and um, just a really really informative time for me. So I'm so proud of you. That's amazing. I think about that a lot,

you know, Hillary, you said it. We didn't get to finish school. You know, I I missed my senior year in college because I booked the show. I remember thinking, well, maybe I can do both for five minutes and then realizing, like, oh no, I work eighteen hours to day, I can't also go to class, and I don't know. I think about that still. I think about how I would love to go back and finish I would just I would love it. Maybe that's the next show we do, Sophia,

where we go back to college together. Okay, I mean, that's the kind of reality show I want to see. That's the only version of a reality show I would want to watch. Getting smarter personal growth. That feels great. I love that you did that. You feel like a liaison for us within the Wilmington community because you were actually in school and doing what we would be doing in a normal environment, and so you I was drawn to you because I wanted to be normalized in that way.

I wanted what you had. And so then like you know, you would talk about campus and like you know, cheering at school and stuff like that, and I was so it was like a moth to a flame and like tell me everything, like what's it like? But then I also remember some like very restipal cheerleading practices we all had where we were all working like eighteen hours a day.

You were trying to do school and also film with us for eighteen hours a day, and they're like, cool, you guys have a two hour dance rehearsal tonight and all of us just being like monsters. There was like who's that female choreographer they brought in that just car handle us? What was her name? I don't remember either. I can't remember her all googly eyed, like who are

these little feral animals to teach them a dance? I think I strategically just put myself behind you always because I was like, Bevan's going to know the moves to get it quick, because I was like I have to write a paper. You. We always just tried to be close to you because I was like, if I can just if we're in a line, but I can be two steps behind her to the right, I can just see her enough out of my periphery, but I'm gonna

copy whatever she's doing. That's so interesting because me, like, as far as acting and the world of l A and all that, I felt that exact same sort of thing with you guys, Like I would just kind of stand a little bit behind you and watch you navigate all this, Like I had the biggest shotgun class in film and television acting by just working with you guys. You guys hold my hand through everything. I was like, what is a mark? I knew what to do? This

director's being mean to me? What was that one director that made me cry? Remember that that oh god so mean? Nobody likes her and she made one scene it was? Was it the mom from Growing Pains? No, she made me cry, you do I will find her now. I know what you're thinking of, and I think I've like rage blocked her out of my brain. Was it when we did the date night when I like went off

with mouth? It was the girl party? We had the boy draft, Boy draft, That's what it was, because there was a scene by the water film that I thought was supposed to be comedy, and she wanted it to be really actually sexy, and like, there's nothing funnier than me trying to be sexy. I don't know. We saw some sexy moves in this episode. I agree to crawl into a hole. When I saw that, I was like, turn it off my husband, and he was like, that's really uncomfortable. Has he never seen it? No? He like

he's British, Like I mean he did. His friends did, like, um watch it growing up, but he didn't, and so he gets very uncomfortable seeing people we know on television, like he he doesn't like that Jeffreys the show. Grant hasn't either. I can't believe you're marrying Grant. You guys, do you know that Tyler has merged because of Megan Tyler.

Hilton has these hats that he makes for friends that say I've never seen one Tree Hill, And when I was catching up with them, Tyler found out Grant I never seen it and was like, oh my god, and a box of these hats showed up at our house. Oh my god, I have to go in for Jeff All of our husband's got to wear these hats. Yeah, it's probably why we feel safe because we're like, oh, you don't know, fantastic, don't care. It's amazing though, Like, you know, I have this studio here now and I'm

just go but tell us how you got there. You and you're good at everything you do. And that's I think why we were also drawn to you, because you're just like, Okay, I'm gonna act now and then I'm gonna, you know, go back to college and be the best, and then I'm going to go to New York. Yeah, you literally rise to the top always. Here's the thing. Beyonce did not wake up like that. That's like my motto, Like she did not wake up like that. Girl started in her basement and she fell on her face over

and over and over again. She tried some bad moves and you know, like worked. Yes, I still love the rhine Stones. I gotta be honest, but okay, I'm mad at that. You know, I love you know, I love a sparkly anything. I'm just like, Okay, I finished grad school and I was like, maybe I'll try um the East Coast because I you know, I wanted to be

closer to my family. And that sort of thing. So I'm like, I'm gonna spend one year there because all my best girlfriends at this time we're in l A. So I was like, I'll spend one year in New York and then I'll probably go back to l A. But I'm just gonna see and um, I was working for this producer and I got really close on this, like guests are role on showtime, and I just had to like sneak out of work and I'd tell him I was going to doctor's appointments and I was like,

what am I doing. I just like, I need to quit this job if I'm really going to give acting a go. So I couldn't. And I never waited tables. And I walked into a bar down the street from where I lived on a hundred and seventh Street in New York. And I walked in. I was like, hey, guys, and they were like, oh my god, you're that girl from One Tree Hill. And I was like I am and they were like, we waited tables and I was like no, and they're like, but you're that girl from

One Tree Hill. Sure you can work here. Honestly, I love that. So I started waiting tables there, and then I moved over to a VC Coastino, which I saw soap at one it's so interesting. But people would come in and they'd be like, you were on a TV show. Why are you waiting tables? I was like, Uh, money doesn't last forever. Guys and I went to grad school and they weren't paying us really when we were kids. And yeah, there's a misnomer that everybody who ever gets

a job in this industry is rich. And it's like five people get rich and nobody else does. So that's what it is and moving on. So it was and it was also cool because it gave me a lot of pride that I was willing to do whatever it took, you know what I mean. I'm like, I'm thirty, I'm waiting tables in New York City, and I'm not above anything that's grad school in and of itself, waiting tables

in New York exactly exactly. So, and then my husband walked in and I met him, and I was like, I damn it, I was going to move back to l A And now I'm going to stay in New York. Yeah, and so um, we fell in love, We got engaged very quickly within like three months. I didn't getting married for two years. And then, um, I was feeling really stuck in the city and feeling really claustrophobic. And I know when I feel that way that I have to

try something new. It doesn't matter how small it is, Like it can literally be like you know, reading a new book, it can be anything. So um, there was a sole cycle underneath me. And so the last time I had been to a cycling classes with you in l A, Oh my god, that's summer that we were like, we're gonna become gym people. And I think I went

like four times. We definitely did you committed and you were like running all the time, and I was like, I don't run unless I'm being chased, but you look amazing, like maybe I should try that, and I just I don't have it. You're naturally fit. No, but you're a sweet, sweet baby angel. I forgot about that. Bevin. Oh my god, I wrote that day. I was like, no, but I remember that class being miserable. It was so hard. I was like, I never ever, why would anyone go inside

and ride a bike that doesn't go anywhere? That's I've ever heard so stupid, but it was right underneath where I was staying. So I was like, fine, I'm gonna go, and I went in and I just fell head over heels in love. I felt a sense of freedom I hadn't felt since I was a little kid, like inhibition. Right, the lights were down, nobody was watching me. I was kind of dancing like a teenager again. I wasn't worried

about anybody watching me. And I think for so many years I had gotten so deeply concerned with outside validation and what it looks like, what I look like from the outsid it in, and so finding that sense of freedom again was amazing, and I was like, I want to do that. So I reached out to them and I auditioned. Yea, you have auditions and they were like you really like you, You're funny or we like you, but um, you have no idea how to ride the bike. And I was like, give me a chance, I will

learn how to ride the bike. So they put me through this shotgun program and then I started teaching, and seven years later I was training other instructors, a master instructor, and it was that was my class in finding my authentic voice, finding it and using it. And as much as that, like, I love acting. I loved acting with you guys. It was the most fun ever. I would do it again in a second. I don't love the business. I don't love auditioning. I'm not one of those people

that loves it and so many people do. And I love teaching. You're a natural teacher, Like it's it's an easy thing for you because you make whatever you're doing fun. You can see it in the show, you can see it in your real life. You're like, Okay, we're going to clean the kitchen. Let's make it fawn, you know. And and that's such a valuable person to have in our lives, is the person that cultivates fun. And it's always been you, Batman. Yeah, I want that on my tombstone,

to cultivate fun. I don't want to see if anyone could make a tombstone, it's you. He'll I wouldn't put that past to you, even on the slaver second, like We'll come to the farm and you'll be like, guys, look what's in the workshop, Mary Christmas slabs of marble.

I um, I love that be then I think there's something so profound in a willingness to explore and try new things, and especially when when you talk about validation outside validation, when the whole world has told you you've made it, when everyone is saying you should be so happy and you're looking around going but I'm not. Like I remember the first time I heard that Maggie Rogers song Are You Happy Now? And I just started sobbing, and I was like, whoa, something is happening to me?

And look at that. Okay, you know it's there. It's really interesting because people, when they think you've succeeded, don't want you to change. And how dare you try to succeed at something else? Who deserves multiple avenues of success? And when you have this sort of emotional metal, the wherewithal to say, I'm going to lean into whatever makes me feel good, smart, wherever I feel like I'm expanding, you give other people in the room permission to do

that as well. And I think that it's just it's been so fun, you know, through the ebbs and flows of all of our lives together, when when we're in contact a lot and where we're just like cheerleading each other from across the country, no matter whether it's closer far. It's it's such a special thing that that this little group of us gets to be each other's witnesses out in the world. Yeah, I feel really grateful for that.

You so grateful. Well, we've also like rejected rejected the early Kids success in a way that I think only really the group of us kind of understands. You know. It's like, why aren't you guys you know, pleased with this or you should be grateful, And we're all like, uh uh, you know what we're gonna do, like to any other things. So that's it. There's like a chip on all our shoulders that maybe doesn't make sense to

everybody else. But then when we all like collectively get together like the Golden Girls and we're like, I'm talking about that, Well, maybe after seeing this episode, the chip on our shoulder will make sense to our faces. There is Do you remember the guy with the rooster tattoo and his like of course i'd double rings. Yes, I

forgot about the nipple rings. I was reminded yesterday I saw we told we opened this episode telling the story of when he rolled his pant leg up and we were all terrified and he realized it and was like, oh, I have to change my tactic. This isn't working, This isn't this isn't like my normal jobs. And so bevin, we have been bragging about you, but like you're in the middle of work right now, like you made time for us today. Tell us what's going on right now.

So I literally finished class at nine o'clock, got in the car, ran home. That's why I have a beanie on you can are perfect pretty. I didn't mind up in the car and tell everybody who's listening about your company. Let's let's continue to brag on the things that you're doing. We like bragging about you. We're having so much on you, guys. So I at the beginning of COVID first of all, so it's like it was so your great UM experience. For me, it was an incredible, amazing experience. We kind

of reached the end of our relationship UM. The company got really big. I wasn't feeling like there was moch room for the kind of growth and expansion and and intimacy I really wanted to have in my work. So my husband and I look at each other, COVID's happening. We're in our set square foot apartment, in New York City and he's on calls all day long, and all I hear is his dumb voice. As luck as I love his. Before, I was like, I'm gonna murder him.

I'm gonna literally murder him. Won't stop saying ibadah. He will not say. It's like it's like a it means the bottom line of your like financial statement. It's like earning before interest blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Money. Yeah, yeah, you know. Um, when trapped in a room with Ebada, it becomes nails on the chalkboard as the point. I mean, even with that gorgeous little accent. I was like, I can't handle it. So we we were like how long is this gonna last?

What do we do? My parents were like, rent a car and get down here, come back to Welmington's, get some air. Well. It was so new and fresh and so scary. At the time. I was like, I can't be responsible for getting everybody in North Carolina sick. I was like, what if we have it? You know, we didn't really know what it meant to have COVID, and so we finally kind of looked at each other and we were like, let's go for like four weeks. We'll

get there. We'll quarantine for two we'll make sandwiches, we won't get out of the car except to use the bathroom if we have to. And like, you know, so we packed up the car and we came down and my parents friends were really kind to let us rent their place because they weren't traveling in my parents little like a least cut. I love that, love that place. So I we stayed there literally looking into Brant, my

ex boyfriend's. Um. We got into his kitchen, him and beyond kitchen, you're like in the small town, but this this is the kind of mess we were referring to earlier. Again, just a little bubble of people there. It is there, It is so um. We got there. We quarantined for two weeks, like we did not see anybody. My parents dropped off groceries, the whole thing, and then we were working from here. We were just enjoying our time working

for here. We were able to go out on the water and being fresh air and go for bike rides and runs and you know, not be terrified and in a city and we kind of look I remember as there was a moment that COVID was getting we thought it was getting better and it was going away, and I panicked. I was like, I don't want to I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back. That sounds miserable, that sonds terrible. I don't want to

do it. I don't want to do it. And I looked at Will and I was like, I don't I don't know what to do. And he was like, why don't we just move here? Oh, it's such a magical place. It's magical, right because you know, from somebody from London at least New York is like an easy, an easy way to be an easy, you know, place to get here. So, um, we went back and we packed up our bags and we said we kind of told everybody we were during it temporarily, and we kind of told ourselves emotionally we

were doing it temporarily, so we didn't share it. And then we found a place and we bought a home, and UM, I quit my job and I got a little business loan and bought twenty five bikes that I could put outside, um so at six ft apart, so that it was COVID safe and we could I could bring a little sense of community and joy during a time when there was just absolutely none. It was the

perfect time for you to launch that business. When we talk about you being not only a teacher, but the bringer of on I was like, of course she named it recess. It's the best part of the day at school. That's part of the day. You're perfect. I love this much. Guys, anybody who is in Wilmington's if you haven't been, what are you doing? And to our fans who still make you know the pilgrimage, to all the O t H sites, go take a class. Can fans come and take your

classless party showing up? They have been showing up and it's amazing. That's so cool. I would be frustrated if people came and like didn't, like, you know, really contribute to the community, because it's not about me so much as it is like our our experience together. And they come in and they show up so hard and give it all they have, and it's like it's the best way. So I've never done a cycling class because I'm a

very awkward woman. Um I remember Danielle listen, Danielle came to see me at the farm and I was like, you've had three kids, why do your thighs look like that? That's insane. And She's like, Bevan got me doing pikey things. You know. So I feel like the next time we come to town for a convention, other than we have to do another painting class, like, we'll just come to a recess class. That would be so much fun. Yeah,

so that's what we're gonna do. Um, but will you also come back on the show when the Beven skills Romance? I would love nothing more. Yes, Bevn, I miss you. Miss I'm in the city right now. I'm like looking out the window and I'm just like, I know, I do miss it. I do miss it. You know. We'll goes back every couple of weeks, and um, I'll probably start traveling a little bit more, you know, when things kind of settle down. Girl, next time you're up here and let me know con com it's a four it's

like a fifty minute flight from Toronto. Guys, I'm coming. Let's get hey, let's get into some trouble. Yeah you're in Toronto stuff. Yeah, wait, let's get into some trouble. Let's get into some trouble, ladies. Hold on, I just that I just saw spikes of our twenty four year old selves shoot through our eyeballs, and I'm into it. Every time Daniel and I get together, it's like we're literally twenty again and it's a disaster. I like that. That's my favorite. We love you so much, you guys,

Thank you so much. I'm so proud of you. Guys. I didn't even I feel like talking. That's all we want to do, though, But I want to talk. Okay, we talked about ourselves all the time. Don't worry so happy. I'm so happy for yourself. I haven't had a chance to tell you. I'm so over the moon ecstatic for you. And Grant like I can't you even handle it? It's so fun. Please tell him, I said, Hi, I will. I love you guys. We love you so much. Have

a great rest of the day at recess. All right, go kick some mass I can't wait to ever like not feel winded when I walk up the stairs. Maybe Bevan can teach me. I don't do I don't do anything exercise e like ever. But if someone was going to get me to it's hurt because she would think it not miserable. I think what it is is I had a boyfriend when I was a teenager. Give me a like a Christmas gift, like a membership to Lucille Roberts, which is a ladies only gym here in New York City.

I don't think he exists anymore. Hey, you the a tent if you've got in shape, and I have just revolted against it ever since. Um, but a Bevan situation would be fun. And that's a difference. It's like, in this episode, the whole stripping thing is to talk about so gross. We use the word slutty multiple times in like five minutes, and if you look at it from a female perspective, we can look at it and be like, oh, there are parts of this that are fun when it's

not gazed through the lens of like dudeness. We got just a hint of that with the instructor, Sylvia. Jeff Freeze was the instructor of the Ladies Poll Dancing class. And I know so many women, especially women who have been through trauma, who have gotten back into relationship with their bodies by being in groups of women and taking classes like that. They have literally like gotten physically back

into their own beings. And I would love to see more of our ability to move, whether it's through dance or spin or whatever. I would love to see that be culturally presented to us as strengthening and empowering and like goddess rather than like you look hot when you do this, ladies. But I don't like that. This is a goddess body. This is a goddess body, Damnita. Maybe that's what we call this episode. Yeah, God, we're just gonna take it back. Okay. So should we answer fan questions? Yeah,

we have some good ones. Um, this is actually lovely. Tobra asks if you could go back and tell your twenty two year old self one thing about how to deal with what life throws at you, what would it be? Two? Hold on, I'm trying to like differentiate from they're all messy. We were twenty two and this year season two we were twenty two. Okay, So um, I would tell twenty two year old me, don't let them bleach your hair. Okay,

So listen. The bleaching of the hair was at a very fancy salon, and our hair dressers had to fix it. They like totally burned all my hair off at this very fancy salon here in the city. Um And and what is giving me private relief because this episode the season is so painful to watch aesthetically. Is that sweet Billie Eilish, who I just think the world of, is also dealing with the blonde burn mullet. It's the burn mullet. I feel like Miley's gone through a burn mullet phase.

Everybody who bleaches their hair out seems to Yeah, burn mullet is just a rite of passage. Okay, my daughter, My daughter literally just brought brought me this business card. I gave Jeff these business cards to hand out at our wedding because he's uncomfortable in crowds. They say, talking Hillary, I have those just brought me. He's like, Mom, enough, what advice do you give year old you? Oh? Man? Um, I I would tell two year old me to trust

my gut. I didn't have experience with people who lied, like in my young adulthood, and so when something would go wrong in that early phase of you know, being on our own for the first time, I really believed what people would say. I'd bring up a feeling or uh, something I heard or something that made me uncomfortable, and I would just take whatever the excuse was. And now I understand that for some of us you can trust what comes out of our mouths, and for some people

you can't. And when I think about how uh that affected you know, my my young adulthood and my innocence at the time, and all of us really, you know, even our friendships. When are when the forty and fifty year old people we worked for, we're pitting us against each other because they didn't want us to ask for

a decent salary. We didn't know that. We just thought that when our bosses said you said something about me, or I said something about you, or Joy said something about one of us, like, we didn't know that that wasn't through. And if I could go back and do anything, I would say, push into the questions you have about what you're being told, because you're right, you're just very used to believing the people who you think are the

adults in the room. Yeah, And I would encourage young women to do that, to to always pull things apart and make sure they know what's really going on. Well, because now that we're the adults, we know that adults are full of ship at the time, we were mystified. We were like, what's happening? You guys have it figured out?

And I think it's part of the reason that we as adults and women and advocates try to be so honest with people and even doing this show and talking about what it was, you know, the joy and the not so joyful parts of it. We want to do that so that we can give other people the roadmap and like, maybe they don't have to get stuck in as many ditches as we did. Will be the triple A of female and book. The ladies got us anytime,

We've got another question from Malfi. Did any of you have any rituals or things you did to prepare for your day of acting? I mean I brought that little red coffee maker into the hair and makeup trailer and that was kind of all I cared about. It's still the case, yeah, I mean, look at this jar of coffee, jar of coffee. A jar of coffee. Uh. Same. Honestly, when when you're working hours like that and you barely get to sleep, because what people don't think about is

you work all these hours. You know, we were on set sixteen to eighteen hours a day. Then when you go home, you have to learn the ten pages of dialogue for tomorrow, so you do a lot of homework when you get home. So I just remember feeling like every extra second of sleep I could get, I would literally lay my clothes out on my bed next to me so I could have the alarm go off. I'd on into the bathroom, shower and brush my teeth in the shower, run back into my room, put my clothes on,

and run out the door. I wish I was the sort of person who was like, oh, my call times four thirty in the morning, Well, I'll get a bit three thirty and have a tea ceremony and meditate. I would love to be that person. I'm not. I'm sloppier. Guys are waking up five minutes before my phone blowing up because Sanderson's outside, like where are you? What are you doing? Get out here? That's it. That's it, man, Let's spin that wheel, bab let's do it? Are most

talking too much? I hope that are most likely to today? Is just so clearly, George, let's most likely to embarrass themselves on national TV. How do we get this van of white I don't know I love this guy's Normally our wheel spins and then we just get the words. Now the words have come up on a on a Wheel of Fortune tile with Van of White presenting them, and I love this. She's like the most famous famous

resident of Myrtle Beach. She's fabulous. Anytime I know anything about Myrtle Beach, it's the Van of White is from there, and she's their princess. I love her. Wheel of Fortune was the show I watched every single night with my parents. Love. Oh yeah, would you go on Wheel of Fortune and embarrass yourself? Probably? But I think the person, especially after this episode, and it wouldn't be his choice, it would be written for him. But the person who would embarrass

themselves on national television would be Tim. He's such a sweet, pure baby. Honestly, the way Brett played him, he just committed so hard. Yes, I agree, character is Tim? Which real life member of our family is going to embarrass themselves on TV? I mean, I don't know if we should answer that. Let's not and say we did. We're gonna leave it. Hey, why are you guys right in and tell us who maybe already has embarrassed themselves on TV? We don't know, we're not watching. Yeah, it probably is me.

I don't know. Having done live television for so many years in MTV, there was some real clunky days. Dude, I disagreed it. You're so good at it. Your ability to ask questions and move through stuff, it's like it's so natural to you. I would trust you to be

the spokesperson on live TV for all of us. Myself, certainly, my most embarrassing moment on TV was when they brought me in to interview Angelina's your League, because earlier that day she had walked off of an interview because they asked her about bisexuality, and so they were like, well, we'll just have Hillary asked because she's genuinely like curious about it, and hopefully she won't walk off because it's a girl asking the question, like a young girl who

actually cares, and so on live TV, I'm asking her this question, and I just I've being like pumps, like absolutely mortified, because she was so striking and so cool. She did not walk off that interview. God, alright, folks, that's the show. That's the show. Everyone. Oh, next week we will be back with season two, episode four. You can't always get what you want. I wonder what it's about. I don't remember. Hopefully we stay dressed. That would be phenomenal,

wouldn't it though. Um? All right, you guys, this has been a fun one. I love you so much. We missed Joy very very much. She'll be back next week. Joy. We hope you're having an amazing time at work this week. We love you, and we love you all. We'll see you soon. Bully dressed. Everyone, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at I heart radio dot com.

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