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Oh hello, everybody, Another Week, Episode three. I have no recollection of that episode, so watching it it's really fun and like kind of voyeuristic because watching the whole Nathan Haley thing on fold was like brand new for me. Yeah, that was exciting. It was fun to see it from from this perspective rather than from just being And I had sense memory. I didn't have a lot of it the last two episodes, but this one I had a lot of sense memory of being there. I remembered being
sitting at that table. I remember the whole cracker Jack scene. Um, and I forgot that it was in this episode. I thought that happened later. I thought she was like, I agreed to tutor you, and then like later he did that. Um, So that was kind of cool. That's fun. To see. Did you have any idea in the moment that that little bench was going to become like a cultural icon in downtown Wilmington's for a million years? Did I think that? I think how many people have proposed at that bench.
The photos we see of like engagements and and you know, people there with their babies and it's so cool and their baby's named Haley and like to see it. It's just this beautiful two shot. The DP got it just right. And whatever time of day you guys did it, you know, it was like magic hour, the reflection of sunset in the water, or I guess it would have been sunrise because it was supposed to be seven am. It's just so pretty iconic. It was so beautiful, the way the
water was glowing and everything. And then the fact that Nathan looks at her and says that line, don't say I never gave you anything. I mean, that is the line that fans quote to me. You know, you were saying your art matters. Is the one that you get all the time, Hillary, That's the one that I got all the time. Don't say I never gave you anything. It just, um, it meant so much two people, and I also clocked, which I didn't. I don't know that
I clocked it when we were filming. But Hayley is still wearing the bracelet at the end of the night, like she didn't take it off. Why did you dig it off? Shiver a little bit because it made me wonder like, had Haley ever had like a like a little boyfriend in middle school? Like, had Haley ever had that like deep flirtation before? Was this like the first boy that was? I don't know. Did you guys have
a conversation about that? We didn't, but I yeah, I do remember thinking that and feeling like this is the first. That's why she's getting drawn in even though she's trying to be a good friend and you know, just do the right thing and help someone who's in need. Um, yeah, I mean the captain of the basketball team captain? Is that? Is that the word lead? So handsome? I still don't know basketball terms. They touched down, touched down that funny. I think you hit it. That's that's it, speaking of
things that were incredibly authentic. Um. What I like about our show is that there's nothing like cool. Hazing takes place in someone's mom's minivan and they just throw him in a puddle. But that's it's the worst. It's the worst that they do. We got you get and dirty. What they soaked his closed with water and his locker was it water? Was it pete? Do we know? Know? That would have been worse because I'll tell you what.
I had bullies in sixth grade and they put dogs in my locker, and it's like that was horrendous, And I'm your sixth grade bullies were harder than teenage. I mean I was in Jersey, so maybe part of yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, that's pretty funny. That's all they did was push him in a bottle. You look so cute with your little barretts in this episode. Yeah, was that your idea to do pigtails? I have no idea. I don't remember that at all. I feel it it
probably was. And bosses were always like, just wear your hair down. Oh yeah, It's like, no, I wanted to look really sweet and innocent. She did. It worked. I mean, even just that last shot of Haley and Lucas on the bench, and I saw what a baby face I was, and just the innocence and sort of what I caught a moment of the appeal that everybody loved about Nathan
and Haley. That it was so young. We were so young and link so many big things, and there was such a like a purity to it, the way that you held Haley's experience and held that choice and for this noble idea of saving your friend sort of you know, took on something that you were afraid of. It was
just so fun to watch. Who was fun. Well, let's talk about the acting range though, Joy, because my favorite thing on the internet is that montage that one of your fans cut together of all your kissing scenes from when you were on a soap opera. It was like it was like the sexiest ever. Um. It was so passionate and intense, and you did it as like a teenager and that was all pre One Tree Hill. So then to see you flip that switch and just be the most pure little angel on the plane, I was like,
this girl knows when she's doad. Oh, it's so fun. It's so much fun with Haley, like with a cool, cool character. By the way, talk about having fun. Brooke was like a ball in this episode. My face is still red. You guys like, look at me and look at you. I'm very red. Oh my god. It was such a weird, like when you had that moment at the dock and you were like, oh, this scene. I popped up out of Lucia's back seat and I went, oh god, this scene. Oh no, I couldn't even look
at it. And I remember, Oh, and Hillary, you called me out. You were like, you went from all girls school to this. I was like, I can't talk about it, Like I I remember being in there and like understanding. They were like, you know, you're doing this thing, and and you've really got to try to seduce him. And they just kept telling me to be sexier. They were
like everything you say, you know, an invitation. And I look back and I'm like, oh god, a bunch of creepy old dudes wrote this and then like told me what their fantasy was. I don't know about that. Could you sex this up? Could you just really with every word you say, hugg that you'd like to have intercourse with this person. So waiting in the back seat is one Like, waiting in the back seat is one thing.
But did you girls in high school ever change in the back seat of a car with a boy, like a boy that you liked that was driving or whatever. Really no, I know what you were kissing on TV with all that skill. Yeah. Well I also, I mean again so nerdy. I went to an all girls school, dude, Like I was driving around with girls all the time. Yeah.
I did get though, being a camp counselor very good at doing a full change in my sleeping bag like Abben, because I felt weird about, like, you know, taking my clothes off around kids that weren't mine, even though that's a charge of them, Like change in my sleeping bed and just prob definitely like changed in cars all the time, but like no with a boyever, Yeah, who'd you change
in front of? I don't. I mean I remember a couple of times I was there was like, I mean there was one I remember in particular, um, this boy that I kind of liked, but we don't know we were we just had to go somewhere and I was like, I gotta change. But listen, part of it being a theater kid, I was so comfortable going backstage and you just there's quick changes and you don't think twice about it, and it's not like your body. It's like your body.
You just gotta like change. But did you do dance too. I did, so you there's a body awareness that dancers have that like clunky people like me are always kind of mystified by like wow, they know what their joints are supposed to do. But I remember feeling I also, you know, I was my bibs were developing. It was high school, like I was getting attention from boys. You know, it was like there was all kinds of other things.
Is that when you were doing your hoop earrings and oh yeah that full on like a dark liner with the with the frosty lip and uh the nineties, So hold on Real Life and then TV Life Brooke and Enjoy or Broken Hailey, and then Sophia and joy flip flopped like little Joyce changing with dudes. Sophia is an all girl and now Sophia slutted up on the show. They really they took this episode to paint you too
as polar opposites. They really did. They really did. And I will say the thing that that I loved that we got which thinking about again, who was writing all this stuff for us? It seems even more like a miracle now. But Hill, when we had the scene, you know, in the hallway and like Brooke gets her braw back from Lucas and then you come and you know, chase me out. And I've watched myself like be more myself, Like she was just a kid who was like, no,
he I think he's just nice. And you could see that that was such a change for her and something that made her feel so excited and it that seemed like innocent and youthful to me, and then she switches it right back, like That's the thing I'm remembering now watching is that Brooke Davis, when she would let her real feelings come out, would always cover it with like a it's going to be great when he sleeps with me,
it's gonna try to resist. Brook actually kind of came off to me as a virgin in this in this episode, like she's like she's really trying to make everybody think something that's actually not true for whatever reason's going on
in her personal life. But that's the whole thing is her through this first season, especially, what I had to find for her was that she was actually just a really scared little kid who desperately was seeking validation anywhere that she could get it, and was very willing to play the part of like I have it all together when she didn't feel like that? When when we do merch, Let's make a promise. Okay, I want Joy to make these little bracelets but out of like Rose Courts and
like let's class him up. And then I need a brook Davis Cheetah bra in my life. Why don't have one? I don't know, girl, I want to push the backseat Brooks bras. Yeah, I into it. Guys, email us and tell us what you think. Would you would you buy your back seat Leopard bra and fancy crack or Jack bracelet, very chic charm bracelet? You know what I mean? What's our email address at iHeart Drama Queens at iHeart radio dot com. There it is the other thing that stood
out to me so big from from the backseat. Actually there'd be a silver lining there. But when when I had to lean over and say, how many moments can you point to and say that's when it all changed? Perfect? And I keep asking him if he can feel it, like can you feel it everything changed for you today? And then you keep seeing these moments where it all changes for each of us. Peyton gets her artwork accepted at THUD and then also defends her artistic thesis. Haley.
It turns around and there's Nathan in the tutoring office, and he says, I need you to tutor me. Like we had these moments that we can point to for each of our characters, and Broken says, you don't have to act this way. You know, you're the He's the first guy that's ever said that to you. We all had those little moments, and it was the beginning of seeing brooks um as sort of the voice of wisdom that she eventually became and grew grew more and more into. Oh.
I love that. It was cool, it was really good and and I what I love is the foreshadowing of being in that that waxing parlor, and Brooke makes this whole thing about I want stability and I want a boyfriend, but nothing dramatic like you and Nathan. Like the foreshadowing there is so on point. M hm, that's so true. Also, we probably should talk about the Chad being naked with the basketball's Oh my god, we should talk about that Joy. You're right, okay. So apparently what they did was they
cut a hole in the basketball. Wouldn't it have deflated? Is like paper machee. Um, I don't know they made it was some like big prop thing that they made for him. Where does it? Where does it live now? Where is said prop basketball now? Probably in some creepy storage bin that has like a code on the front of it in a warehouse at Warner Brothers, like somewhere in the valley and big fun episode. Um. And we also are very lucky this episode to have one of
our dear friends joining us. He was here from the side. Um. Yes, And so let's we're going to go to break, but don't go anywhere because we have a total babe waiting for you. Hey, hey, ladies and gentlemen. One of our favorite, favorite, favorite favorite co stars. They're from the very beginning. You may know him as Marvin Mouth McFadden. We know him from the Torkalsens. We know him as Minkus from Boy Meets World. Um, he's been in so many movies at
this point. Um. He does all these David Fincher movies that put him on a level that makes us all jealous. Um, forty seconds whatever whatever he was in Zodiac. Also, you did like October Road with Greenberg. Yeah, we had our Christmas movie and interestingly, enough. Rhoda Griffiths, who my mother was in the episode, was just in this episode was the episode that I wasn't by the way. I was like, I had my notebook out and I was like, oh no, I'm not in this episode. Orous Laden, So good to
see you. It's been the last time before of us were together. I don't even remember. It's insane, but so long was it a convention? Probably maybe, but I feel like Soap and Hill you were there, but I don't know if Joey made it. And like Julia, I think the last time I saw you was when we did like James and Stu Colletti's like, yeah, that's right. Although we did talk recently when you bought girls Scout cookies
for my daughters cookies. We you, Sophia, myself and Brian Greenberg all got very uh giggily at a bar at a hotel in Wilmington the last time we did a convention together. There was gonna be like, guys, we're just gonna meet for like five minutes, and by two o'clock in the morning, we had the bartender ordering us pizza. We're like, we are you in North Carolina right now? Yeah? Yeah, I'm in North Carolina and so weird. Um, I was
actually just in Wilmington's. We went down to write so Beach like two weeks ago, um, just for beach vacation, and it was so trippy to be there. It was coincided with the release of your first episode, so of course I'm like listening in the car as I'm grabbing to Wilmington's and literally was like, you know, seeing all the places and like being a Tower seven and just feeling like really connected to it in a different way. So did you get the job of of Mouth? Like
how did that come together for you? Yeah? You know, this first season was so crazy for me because or in the pilot, UM, I was in school at wake Forest, which is in Winston Salem, North Carolina, for anybody that doesn't know, which is like three and a half hours from Wilmington, where we shot. And you know, I had done those shows as a kid, and I sort of
kept an agent around. But by the time I got to college, I had seen kids like come into Women's World for get a line and get fired, and I was like, oh wow, this is this is like a business. This isn't just you know, fun saying lines or whatever. So I at that point was like, well, maybe I'll go to law school. Like when I was at waiting, that's what I was going to do. Like it's kind of like being an actor, right, you're a lawyer. You get up and you you know, poetic, and so that's
what I was thought I was going to do. And then the audition for Ravens once Hill, you know, got sent to my agent. I knew it was shooting in Wilmington. My agent was like, just go to Wilmington's and audition. All my friends were going on spring break. They were like going to Cancoon getting wasted, and I was like, well, no one in Wellington did auditioned for the show. Another
year from it whatever. Um, and then you know I did it and they brought me back into I guess you like a chemistry read but Colin Ficus, So that was my chemist like testing you know, Jimmy and Mouth together and and the Colin is someone that I knew. We grew up like auditioning in North Carolina together for stuff. So um, yeah, that's how it came about. And I have to give a lot of credit to Wake Forest. They were really cool to let me do the pilot and then to do the first season. You know, I
was recurring, so I not being a regular. I didn't want to. I really wanted to graduate eight because I was. It was my senior year at wake when we were shooting the first season. So I was driving back and forth that first year between wait And and Wilmington's writing papers in the trailer all night at the River Court, driving back to Wake Forest, taking a test on like two hours of sleep, getting back in my car, coming
back to Wilmington. But it was, you know, it was crazy, but it was so worth it because I got to graduate and I got to do this show that I had no idea would take me ten years of my life. Dude, weren't you in like an acapella group to remember in a group? Of course I was. Of course I was an acapella nerd, Hillary, you know I was. I loved it. You'd be like, hey man, the group's performing on Thursday, because check out, Yeah, dude, our group. Our group was
the first co ed acapella group on campus. That was like a big deal that it was men and women, like this is a southern college. Like it was like we were like the risky kids that like I could have girls and guys in the same group, like, what are they risky? Occupec kids? Was your jam? What was like? What was the jam that you guys performed? So we sang sexual Healing and I sang it with a girl, my friend, Susie, and it was, Oh my god, had
you hung out in Wilmington's before? Yeah, you know, growing up? And I grew up in North Carolina. When I wasn't in l A shooting the shows, I always came back to North Carolina because this is where my family and friends were. And so I had done two episodes of Dawson's just as like little throwaway characters and had gotten kind of a peak at that world and a lot of our crew. Um, and I did all those terrible TV movies in the nineties where I was like the
kidnapped and battered, an abused child. Give us some names, give us names any place, but home was the name of one. And I was actually kidnapped, and I didn't want to go home because Alan Dick was my dad and he was abusing. I mean, oh my god, even make this stuff up. But actually that brings up a good point because you having grown up in this business. Um,
I kind of grew up. I started when I was twelve, but I think you were younger when you started right when I was nine when I did the Twitters, So you really grew up in this business. I mean, what was that like from your perspective coming into Wilmington's and seeing a bunch of us who were, like, you know,
some people who were super novice at seventeen eighteen. I had been around a little bit longer, but you know, you you must have known so much more about the business and what the expectations were, and you know kind of watched us stumbling through it. What was that like? No, it was I mean you were so helpful like that. I mean I I just remember coming in and you know, again sort of picking up one what I was just saying, watching kids get fired, Like I came in with this
very it's ingrained in you as a child actor. You're like or back then it was like you hit your mark, you know your lines, you don't ruffle feathers. You know. I just wanted to work and be there, and so I just tried to you know, I was always the first one in the van to go to like, you know, I didn't want to give them any reason because I love doing the show and I loved you guys, and I wanted to you know, the Mouth was just a total literally a sideline character just had, you know, nothing
to do with the start. So I had no idea whether they would keep writing for me or not. In fact, Sophia, I remember one night we were in like I heart New York Pizza after do you remember that place downtown? We'd had some drinks or whatever, and like, I just was convinced that they weren't bringing me back, and I was like, guys, it's been nice knowing you. I really enjoyed getting to meet you. Like I'm not going to see you, and so if you're like, shut up, we're
gonna make them bring you back. And I was like, I have no idea, you know, I just I was like, you are not leaving, not allow it, but no, I mean, it was just coming in. I you know, it was a totally different world than doing something like Going Meets World,
which was the sitcom and was so contained. And I was really inspired by you guys because I watched you, you know, taking on these We were we were still kids, really, I mean, but we were growing up really quickly, quickly and figuring out these roles and figuring out things behind the scenes. And yeah, when I saw you guys stand up for things, I was like, Oh, that's can we even do that? Like that's amazing. These girls don't know
the rules. That's what I'm like. I'm wondering if you just sat back and watched a step in land Mine after land Mine and you're like, we can't do that. I'll never forget a day where I got really frustrated on set and we were all in our castairs and Lee just looked at me. It was it was that scene on the quad, you know which one I'm talking about, And Lee just looked at me. He goes, well, tomorrow is a new day. Like it was like, like I'm an ideold character actor with a crete you know what
I mean. You'll be fine, kid. No. I was so inspired by you guys, and Hillary, you were so sweet to me at the pilot. Um. I remember I came in because Joy and so you guys hadn't gotten there yet. And Hill, I remember you came in and I need you from MTV and I thought you were like, You're gorgeous and smart and just like the epitome of cool. And you know, I was just like number what twelve on the call sheet, like no one had to be nice to me and you and you were like, look,
my brothers don't care about Chad Michael Murray. They care about Minkus like they were. So you made me feel so at ease, and I I always like, yeah, I think I probably made you sign things. I was like, hold on, I'm gonna need you to sign some Stuff's World was like a huge deal when we were growing up. You were on a hit hit show and like us, doing the pilot at Onetrey Hill, no one ever thought that would go, you know, so you were the godfather. You know that it actually done it. How long did
Boy Meets World run? Um? I think they did. I don't know, six or seven seasons. But the thing about that is is I only did the first season and people people don't realize that. I think they really sometimes think I was there first. Yeah. I mean the thing about the character was it was so you know, it was such a fun and memorable character that I think people just and then I came back later and did like an episode where they graduated from high school and
they brought me back. And then when they did their union show, they were cool enough to bring me in and um, so yeah, you know, And honestly, I have to say, I'm really glad actually that it worked out the way it did, because I don't know that I would have gotten the opportunity to do our show, to do One Tree Hill if I'd been on that the whole time, because you know how it is, you get locked into those roles and you guys knew that we'd be out, like you know, and people would scream mankas
from across the bar, and it's like, yeah, if I had been from one season, that's right. So that's what I mean. I almost feel like it was kind of fortuitous that, you know, I wasn't just so locked in, even though I sort of. So. The subtext here is that Lee can take a couple episodes and make an iconic right, why do you seans? David Spin keeps calling you you guys, I need to talk to you more often. Basketball girls, That's right? Were you a basketball fan when
you start? I mean you had a lot of die This was like a like a medical jargon or like a legal jargon, the round that you just had to like, I mean, how is that for you? Yeah? No, I was. I was because I was at wake Forest, which is a big ACC basketball school, So I came in for the audition. I was actually wearing my it was called like the Freaking Deacons because the Demon Deacons were our mascot.
And I was into like the basketball club that like the fans that like and you sweet little bunny, you know, I mean, I loved it. There was no way I was ever going to play basketball, but you know, I loved what, you know, so um, yeah, No, I was a fan and that was you know, nice for me to to sort of channel that and bring that into
those early days when that's really all he was. Um, And it wasn't until you know, like later in the season when the cheerleading and the brooken Mouth wy toy stuff that they really starting to kind of flesh him out. I loved that the most. That's like truly one of my favorite storylines of my whole nine years. But I'm curious about the the jargon in the lingo, like you being part of that whole basketball scene at wake Forest.
Were there um, were there like college basketball reporters that you were listening to prep to like learn the way they talk, and there he goes down like it's such a way that they do that. I probably should have been doing that, but I don't. I mean, I just watched a lot of ESPN in general, so you just yeah. And the thing about Mouth is is he was he didn't have to be professional, Like this was a kid who was just passionate and was sort of you know he was he was, you know, the nerdy kid who
was who was trying to find his voice. So I didn't. I think the great thing was I didn't have to be perfect at it. There was room to kind of be like a novice about it. Um. I think it was just enough that I sort of naturally enjoyed watching the game. But yeah, it was it was a It was a and like sitting on that picnic bench at the river court, I asked, was like after sitting there, all you know would be out there like all night insta bonding. There's no other business I can think of
where it's like this. I mean maybe maybe military, I don't know where. You just get thrown in with people, a bunch of people you don't know, and all of a sudden, Europe all night together. You're spending long hours and like lots of time sitting around, lots of time just quietly available to talk and you know, it's it's
really cool. Did you did you feel because you were there for all those River Court nights and everything that was your gig, So did you feel like you were able to really connect in with the whole group or did you feel like, yeah, so what was your experience like in the first season those I don't know about you guys, but those are always my favorite scenes when they got all of us together and we just got you know, it was three in and we're just you know,
Goofy Moss is singing like the theme song to the Golden Girls, and we're just like like where you know that that was the most fun And I feel like, you know, being and what really struck me because you your podcast has inspired Andrew and I. We've gone back and started watching it now because we're like watching all these other shows in Quarantine and stuff, so you know, we started going back until we watched the pilot this weekend and through up through this episode, and it's just
so crazy to me, like to see, especially in this episode, you see so much of downtown at the River, the river Walk and all of that, and to think that that was the backdrop for our show, but that was the backdrop for our real lives too. So it's like I've seen these the steps that they're sitting on for the burning boat thing, and like, that's the steps that we were, like, you know, kind of buzzed on it too. I am talking about Greenberg playing a guitar exactly. It's
just so surreal. But yeah, those are by far my favorite scenes, you know, m hmm, Lee, were there any like misconceptions about Mouth, anything that you know, people maybe didn't quite understand about him, or anything that you really felt you wanted people to understand about him. I don't know, you know, I mean I think as far as Mouth, um, I think what's interesting about him is you see him as sort of the nice guy, um, and yet he
was written in a different time. And I think this is true about all of our characters, right, I mean, there was things that were written for him that now when I go back and look at it, I'm like, oh, I don't know if he should have walked up to Brooke and just kissed her without asking at the high school, you know what I mean. It's there's just things like that, But you know, at the same time, We're making a TV show and if we all just did the right
thing all the time, it would be boring. So I understood that it was like heightened and um different, But yeah, I mean, I don't know. There were things where he like threw the brick at the windshield of Brooks car and I was like, what where does this come from?
You know what I mean reading the strips and end like here's the job actor and me, I gotta keep this job, so I'm just gonna do whatever, or just like you know, Hillary Hillary, Like in the later season, Matt Mouth is like in a fat suit and I
was like, what is this? Like idea about this? Just like you know, we did our Christmas movie a couple of years ago and we're all standing like a Hampton Inn in Louisiana and Lee would come over at the end of the workday and we just talked about stuff that same we like we've all kind of decompressed together. And Lee's like, oh, yeah, do you remember like when Mouth was in a fat suit? And I'm like, what what are you talking about? I totally missed all of that,
So I don't misconcert these aren't so much misconceptions. It's just I think that he can be viewed through a different lens now. And my hope is that I always no matter what was written, I just I always wanted people to see his his real heart, that he wanted to be a loyal and good friend. Whether he always did the right thing is is definitely up for debate, But I hope that because it was important for me to be on the show. I mean there was there was pushback when they went to make me a regular.
Then work was like, well, it doesn't look like a model, and it's like, come on, guys, like you know how many James and Chad's you need? Like I thought what was cool about our show was that it was it was a little more grounded and it was nice a human face looking back. And so I I've always, of course been protective of him because I spent so long playing him, but you know, I understand that there are
people that that can feel differently about them. So did the writers ever, Like, did you have input with the writers when at some point as you got as you stayed longer and got more comfortable like just being there and being and really became a part of the show. Were there times when the writers would come to you and be like, hey, what do you have any ideas or things like that. No, that did not happen. Um. And again I think it all stems from that just
how I was raised. So like, I'm just gonna see this through. Um. But and I do want to be careful to there. There are writers on the show that I love and then I'm friends with and listen storylines for these all of these characters for nine years. It's no wonder that I ended up in the fatcy. Like, I mean, you know, at some point, what are you going to do for these characters? So I want to be careful and say I loved playing him. He was
a great character. He got to do funny stuff, he got to do drama, so you know, I'm grateful for that. But was special because he was the everyman, you know what I mean, Like Mouth represented every kid in high school that wasn't captain of the basketball team, it wasn't captain of the Chilean squad. Like, He's an important person for our fan base to be able to connect to. However, Mouth pulled chicks, like every chick on the show had a Mouth episode, is what I'm saying, we had our
our go cart rendezvous. What was and what was your romance? Would you guys do? I took Mouth to a strip club right, Limma, we were all dressed up. Oh God, I can't wait to get to that episode and figure out what in God's name we were doing. But I just remember that Lee and I were both so uncomfortable, and you know, this had to be Brooke Davis's idea, of course, and we and I am like, what is happening?
And the writers were like, It's gonna be great. And I was like, um, I feel really uncomfortable, and you, sweet Angel, you were like, I just this feels I don't know, and you just kept putting your hands up because like you don't want the girls to think you're
going to try to touch them. And so the girls that had been hired to like be these I mean they were strippers who were hired to come on the show, drew us little notes and smiley faces and oh yeah, so they were pasties because like they knew we were just yeahs like little spot what that was a stripping thing? This story work around to Joy saying I did that then?
Were someone in the back of a high school boys, Car was a pilot I did later and I had to do my first like sex scene and I had pasties on and I just did in glitter like up here with arrows like you know, someone at my face? Yeah stop. It was another one multiple strip club opportunities on our show where gold I became the stripper later. Yeah yeah. How long did it take before you were comfortable enough to show us your dance moves? Because for anybody that doesn't know, Lee is the best dancer on
the show. So good. Well, I mean that was in my younger age. Now now I have a two year old and I can't even bend over. But you know, well I think you guys, I've heard you talk about this on the yearlier episodes, Like we saw pieces of ourselves start to being worked into the characters. And we would go out, I have some drinks or whatever, and we would do blow off scene. We would go to like Oliver Twists, and it was eighties and night we
would go out and just dancing. We were having fun, right, I mean, but do you remember like downtown Wilmington's and it being a big deal to get into Oliver Twists, Like you don't read the line and Wilmington like you were in Manhattan or something. Guys were on the list. Well, and then we can only go to certain places because James could only get into like certain places. Not that he was doing anything illegal, not at all, not that
he wasn't twenty one yet. But Lee, I will say, like you and I laid the foundation of our friendship on loving hip hop and going dancing. Do you remember, of course I do. He loved we loved the Oh
my God that that is our song. You would be like, you know, we would be like across the like bar or what ever if this song would come along and it was like the Red Sea would part because Lee and I would be screaming, running toward each other like some weird drunken version of like a slow mo love moment in like an eighties movie, and we just hit the middle of the floor and like we'd get the whole bar dancing. And this didn't happen once, it happened
all the home, like all the time. That's how we became friends with Jane Beck because she heard we would like go out dancing, so she started coming with us. And then Jane would do push ups on the edge of the pool tables of it up at Steph's bar, the one upstairs Odessa, Yes, and we were all like, Jane's the coolest person we've ever met. And and for everyone listening at home, Jane beck Is, you know, one of our very best friends from the show, worked in
our wardrobe department for years. Is like a brilliant, badass, creative woman who also is the strongest person I've ever met and can do push ups in a handstand. Yeah. And I have to say to guys who are listening, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to get on the
dance floor. Yeah. I mean this is how I met my wife, Like, yeah, I can always get the ladies with tons of guys standing on the side, and they're not gonna they're not gonna get in here, So go out, do it, have fun and you never know what's going to take you. But yeah, then it first showed up in the script, you know, three episodes later where mouths like spying on cheerleaders and learns that oh god, oh my god, it's so precious. What was your favorite episode? Ly,
Oh my god? Um, I mean I had different ones for different reasons. I mean I think I think three sixteen school shooting is like obviously important for a lot of reasons, not just the obvious ones about the subject matter, but also like the whole you know, we didn't know if the show was going to make it because that's when the networks were combining and we were I think we all felt like sort of spur to try to do something to prove like we're worthy to like continue
on or whatever. So that one special, and then I love I love the honestly, I love the last the very last episode where Mouth gets to give his speech about what you do matters and how you do it matters, and they set up a scholarship fund based on Jimmy and all that. So there's pieces of different ones. But and then all the time we went on trips, you know, it was just so fun. Whenever it was like sleeping fund traveling buddy. Let's just put it that he's also
the guy that you want in your corner. We're going to get into a little segment in one second, but before we do that, I need everyone to know if you're ever at a wedding and you need to sit next to someone that will get you in trouble, it is Leonora's we went to Tyler Hilton's wedding together and they sat us at the actor table at the reception, and an actor who will remain names, who was a
much more fa miss than we are. After we tried to include them in our conversation because right, like, we're all like small town southern kids, like, hey, man, let's be friends. You know that you engage when you meet strangers. Was this person by themselves at the wedding? No, they were with their girlfriend. But Lee and I try to get this person to like engage, and we idea right, and so we're like, hey, what's up? And they just
stood up and walked away, just like left. And so as the night progresses and Lee and I are on the dance floor and drinking drinks and having a great night, the whole rest of the night will have to beat this. Lee would yell out across the wedding, and I was just like, it's such a strong move to know who your circle of friends are and to be like, we're going to roll deep tonight friends and I don't care that it's someone's nuptials, going for it. Oh my god,
that's so phenomenally. Your wedding was the best like I have seen photos from your wedding where I'm just like, who is that person I was dancing with? And then like there's we were all just raging. It was like a sea of bodies. It was like a music festival, but it was also like a very beautiful, gorgeous like North Carolina on the water event, but like, we just can't help ourselves. We turned it into we turned into
a rager. If you're in the same room. The wedding planner was like, do you want a band or a DJ? That's like the big question when you're having wed and I was like, looking around Wilmington, I'm like, I don't know if there's any bands that are gonna be able to pull off yinging twins. They brought in a DJ and we just you know, I loved it when that
song turned Andrea is so sweet, y'all. Andrea's Lee's wife, and our song came on and she just literally did you to me and I was like, thank you, thank you, sister friend. This moment I know Andrea loves me because of that moment. God, and I mean all the years of our friendship obviously, but Leonorris, the moment I realized you really loved me and that we were like really
in it and we'd become best friends. Was when two might have been three years into our friendship, you finally admitted to me that you do not ever allow anyone to eat off your plate ever. I have eaten off of your plate since second night we had dinner together. I just was like, oh, that was delicious. I'm gonna
try that. And Lee, I didn't know it was like, oh my god, and he would eat around the bites I had taken for months but didn't have the heart to like break my little Italian like family style spirit. And eventually he got over it, and would you know, we would just share food. But you told me years later, and I was like, you sweet human, Well, there was something clearly wrong with me. I don't know why. It was just one of those weird things, but like I don't.
I grew up as an only child as as you did so and so I just wasn't used to like that feast or fam and environment of like you know, I just don't touch my things. Guys, God, we do a segment here called Deep Thoughts with the drama Queen's Lee. This is what we're gonna do with all our guests. Um, joy, why don't you hit him with some deep thoughts? All right? So Lee, Um, I would like to hear what your favorite and least favorite storyline with your character was that
you remember. I know we were saying, you know, it's hard to remember all them because it's a lot of episodes and a lot of in and out. So I mean, but whatever comes to mind. Yeah, yeah, there's too many. I mean that I think one of one of my
favorite I can't pin down a favorite. One of my favorites was just the way the whole storyline with Jimmy Edwards played out, with Colin being a friend of mine and him coming back and doing that amazing, powerful performance and I know you'll have him on to talk about that.
So doing that, and then like the follow up episode where like mouth gets um I think, takes Jimmy's your book and like gets it signed by everyone and takes it to Jimmy Edwards mom, who was played by the sweet, amazing actress who's in North Carolina, who's a professor E. N c W who was just like she started crying in the scene and I started crying. I was just like, you know that those are that was a really that
was a favorite. I loved the relationship with Brooke. I loved that it evolved from this him having a crush on everything to just being you know, like like we are like like friends, like good friends, you know, and just um. I always loved those scenes. Um least favorite when I mean the facts, you know, just whatever. I can't wait till we get there. It has so much has been made of this thing, and I can't wrap
my head around it, you know. I think the other one that I that I sometimes crunch about was like mouth in his he like cooked up with his boss at the TV station, and I was just like, oh, that's right. I was challenging that. You know. Again, it's just it's hard. It's hard to come up with stree lines. But you know, for in general, I really I had a lot of fun. So, and what about when you're if you have a friend who's like coming to Wilmington's,
tell us what your number one must do? I mean, especially being a North Carolina boy, Like what what do you tell your friend? Hey, here's what you gotta hit when you're all about food, Um, so don't share your plate, but you have to go to you have to go to Brasserie and you have to get their mac and cheese, which I just did two weeks ago, and Brassy Yes, I love that. We all still go there. That's where I had dinner when I was tart Um. Go there and get them back and cheese. Go to Tower seven
and just everything there. Margarita's I would give for a Tower seven moment right now, I know. And then sadly Deluxe is no longer Deluxe, but the space is still there. It's it's something it's called something else. But is it a similar vibe from Deluxe, Yeah it is. It's still
got like that nice exposed brick bar. I mean, if anybody really is a fan of the show and wants to see where we like lived our lives and aired out some some talks like the bar at at I think it's called pinpoint now, like just sit there and like, well, do you know when we shot the pilot, the Dawson's Creek kids were still wrapping their last season, and like we would just watch them in the window of Dilus, like okay, and the second they've vacated the premises, that's
when we like infiltrated and we're like, well, I guess it's ours. I think about that bar, and I think about that amazing line we all loved from the first episode when Karen says that place knows too much Deluxe Nos Deluxe and Fire Belly Fire Belly. All I'm saying is, didn't they have like super cheap tacos at Firebelly? You get a talk like fifty cents? Yep? Hillary, I think you and I used to go like we would meet
each other on like, yeah, I lived a bottle. They would order that beer Ho Garden for me because that's the beer that I liked. And when I moved, they gave me all the cases that they had in the basement. They were like, no one else drinks. So if you're moving, I'm curious from your perspective, as I mean, you were there with us and in so we have all these
onset memories and we were saying, it's hard. It was hard to separate what the audience was seeing and why the show kind of took on this pop culture zeitgeist like phenomenal, like just went went off and blew up. God, I can't talk um, but you know what I'm saying, So, so like you know, for all of us it was hard to really see why and how that happened and what that was like for the audience because we were they were all wrapped up with the behind the scenes
stuff that we were experiencing. Um. But because you were in and out a little bit more, what can you explain a little bit about why? Like why do you think the show just took off the way that it
did and stuck. Yeah, that's a great question. I think I think particularly being at Wake Forest as a senior in college while we while the first season started airing, Like when the pilot aired, I was at Wake and my friends like through a premier party and the like in the auditorium and the like communications auditory in and like my friend made cookies and you know, we're we were in the sea. It's like watching it. And I
was like telling them all. I was like because EOC had just come out and we were like there was all this fanfare, and I was like, well, it's kind of like the O C but better hopefully, and like it's a little more like North Carolina and you know, I just less sexy, less sexy. Um, And yeah, I think it was an interesting perspective to be able to see like real kids like watching it and reacting to it.
And Yeah, I think it's a it's a lot of what you guys have touched on, I think, Um, I think, just to be perfectly honest, I think you three are a huge reason of why the vulnerability and the things that you guys tapped in into his actresses. Um, it just felt a little more real and grounded I think than some of the other stuff that was out there. Um. And I love that we started with that small town feel and then it wasn't all like you know, kids just rich kids like that. There was that sort of
soul to it. I think that's what drew you know, all of us who had his actors even so, Yeah, and just watching that play out at school and seeing kids reactions, that's a lot of what I saw. But you know, it's it's cool to go back now and watch it and as an adult and see it clicking in different ways and as a dad and kind of just you know, it's totally different. Yeah, now that you're a dad, like Lee, you've done a little bit of everything.
You've done a ton of TV, you've done a ton of movies, like like in this chapter, what would you want to do next me. I want like a cushy Disney Channel job where I just play a mom that comes like wags my finger and then I go home. You know, Like, what's what's your dream gig at this point in your career. I don't know. I mean, I honestly, I feel so lucky, Like I feel really fulfilled in
a lot of ways. I mean, for me, any character that is, like even going off and doing the little role in Zodiac was so fun for me because it wasn't a nice kid. It was this creepy kid who's out with this married woman and like he's wearing three layers of clothes and like something's up with this kid? Like, you know, just playing certain off characters is kind of fun for me because it's just so different than the quintessential nice guy or nerdy character. So anything that offers
depth like that is fun. But you know, I'll still do the nice guy stuff to you. And what's Greyhound about? Tell us about Greg? That's your next prod. So Greyhound was this amazing movie that was supposed to have a great, you know, big release in theaters pre COVID obviously, um and so when Kovid came along and ended up. Apple TV snapped it up and made it available. But yeah, it's Tom Hanks. Um, Tom's just Tom Hanks. Guys leaves off Tom Hanks in the world. He wrote the script
based on a book. UM. And you know, they asked if I wanted to audition for it. It was like Messenger number two, and I was like, I don't care if it's a Messenger forty seven if I get to hang out with Tom Hankster too, mug whatever, you know. So I did and I was so lucky to get
to do it. And I spent two months in Louisiana shooting with him and other guys, and we were on this um you know, they made the fake vow of the ship and we were on a gimbal that was controlled electronically, so they were like shifting us around and
throwing water on us and wind. It was like a master class to just stand five feet from Tom Hanks and watch him day in and day out, and then you know, go up and have my interactions with them, and it was just it was that's one of those jobs where it's like I don't care if this movie ever does anything I care to make from it, Like just to have that experience, Like, you know, I just feel lucky that I got to watch it and see it. But anyway, it's on Apple TV Plus now you can
stream it if you're into World War two movies. It's really amazing to see the navy aspects of all of it. We got to talk to some actual World War Two survivors that were still alive when we were shooting, and that was like for me as I was an English major and history buff and to get to talk to those guys who are on the ships and hear about their experiences was like, I mean, just ever so well, you have to direct. Now you have to direct. You have been doing this for so long and you have
such good instincts, like I just correct us. Yeah, let's just do you know, let's do another Christmas movie or reunion or something. To know, I just want to hang out with you Christmas and Fire Belly. It'll be Taco Christmas and Tower seven. You're in charge, and they'll be an impromptu dance off. Oh I can't wait. I actually wonder because we had so many great artists on the show.
So you know, you you're married, so we can't get someone to come by your wedding but if you were going to pick any of the artists who came and played at Trek to do your next birthday party, is there someone at the time or is it just the Unyang Twins forever? Um? You know, I think, god we had we were so spoiled. I mean with every like Eryl Crowe was on the show, and um, I always
loved the Jimmy World guys. I thought those guys were so nice, and um you know, we went down and like saw them in Myrtle Beach and they nicely invited us backstage. And I just love those guys and I love their music. Um god, the music was so good. I'm like watching as I'm going back and watching it now. I'm like writing down songs and I haven't heell of this because I'm not cool enough anymore to know like
what the good music is. So we need iPods. We're selling Cheetah bras, We're selling joy Crystal bracelets and iPod shuffles preloaded with all the ones. Remember you remember when they gave us those little flip cans that were like the little video Yeah, oh god, what were those things called flips? They were called flips. Yeah, I'm still around guys on those All right, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do an addictscavenger hunt. Okay, I know Paul still
has his somewhere. I'm almost positive we know Antoine has his too. So apparently has Antoine told all of you guys this. He has tons of footage of us, tons and tons and tons, And I'm like, are you going to turn it into a documentary? And He's like, I don't know, sis, maybe and I'm just like, oh god, oh god, maybe maybe we should look at it. We'll have a screening night. I can't even imagine what he has. It's exciting. Um, Lee, will you come back, come back
and just like visit us all the time. I'll come back anytime. You don't even have to record it. I just want to hang out with you, guys. I'm so glad you're doing this. And yeah, Andrew and I are going to be listening and watching along. So yes, I would love to kiss Andrea, kiss the baby. I love you guys, please, I will love you guys by ray thing Bud. I just love him so much, honestly, like Leaves, who you call when you need to bury your body,
is so good and so talented. Honestly, I'm not even joking when when I like, you know, kid, that he creates iconic characters, he does. He really understands the layers.
I mean he built in a lot of layers into mouth that easily could have just been like a one note thing, and he built a lot of layers in And when you watch the way he works, you know he gave the same kind of dedication of character and empathy and intellect on our Funny Little c W show as he does working with David Fincher, working with Tom Hanks. I mean, he shows up and is so just good and creative. I it's funny, you know when he talks about standing with with Tom Hanks and it feeling like
a master class. I remember I have like flashes of days on set where we'd be doing something and I every once in a while I have a thought of, like you get back in the scene, because I'd be watching Lee work and then I'd be like, yep, I gotta be Brooke Davis, now, yep, okay, let me say my line. Like he would distract me with the ingenuity of the choices he would make. He never leaned into the Steve Rkel of it all, Do you know what
I mean? Like he could have easily made Mouth a joke, and instead he made them made him this really like empathetic every man that like everyone could connect to. Everybody wanted Mouth to win, you know, they wanted Mouth to get the girl. Which girl on our show? Did you like him with best? Kelsey? Kelsey was? How old was Kelsey? Because what's your character's name? Yeah, I think she's nineteen or maybe younger young she was like I think she and said she was sixteen. Maybe I think she was
like thirteen fourteen. I think I think she was incredibly young. Maybe I don't know thirteen. Because there was also Erica Right, Erica, Marsha, Batley Bayless, yeah, talking about it, dancer Kathy Matest gosh Ma, and then Lizarna Shelley the cleanteen. Oh yeah, they had their entanglement. I just I have thought him and Gig were so cute together. It was cute. I loved, I loved later when he wound up with Lisa, h they're sweet relationship. Frankly, I'm man. I never kissed him to
come on, damn hello, never got a shot? Um girls, Is it time for most likely to I mean, let's do it. Let who is most likely to join the CIA, and this is characters or actors or both, anything throughout the entire run of the show. Most likely the C I A Berry, serious, Berry, Do you know what joint? You're right? You're right because Barry Corbin, I want to say, is like from New Jersey. He was like a Shakespearean actor, Larry with his Southern accent, and he decided to become
a cowboy as an adult. Hold on a second, look Google Barry Corbin, and he created this whole other persona and it worked, and it tricked out who he is now. No, it says here he was born in Texas, but he told me he lived New Jersey for a long time. Maybe he was in the CIA when he was in Jersey. I'm saying stories. I will say though, after our analysis of Lee Norris's incredible acting skills, I feel like he'd
be great in the CIA. Oh yeah, he could pull it off for sure, as like one of those actors, like you know, they've been doing it since the forties. I guess they would have actors. Betty Gray Bowl was was working for you know, so they fly over and you just go to a restaurant for dinner, but you're actually like passing off a package to somebody in the kitchen. I think we could pull that off. Yeah, because he can.
He can be the life of the party, and he can completely you know, put his three layers on and disappear in the corner and it. Oh, I wish he was still here. We should do this with our guests next time. All right, So which character would join the CIA? We have a couple of teammates, but who is elusive? I mean, Karen disappeared for a very long time and came back with a man that none of us knew, like Andy, and she had a whole other life that
we never got to see. She was definitely in the c I a Michael Truco's character who suddenly appeared at it like nobody need. Yeah, I'm not complaining. Tru was a Cooper. Truca was such a babe. It's such a babe. Um else. Yeah, those feel like real good choices to me. Yeah, Okay, we're good at this game. Alright to play again next week. Thank you guys for joining us. Episode three of One Tree Hill. We're so excited to watch it. Come back next week and watch watch another, watch another and talk
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