S1 Episode 4: All in the Family

We're eight elite college football players take us on their own personal journeys as they enter the NFL. In the week leading up to the draft. They'll mike themselves up, Mike Check, Mike Check, my chick without producers, directors, or cameras, offering an honest, authentic look at who these athletes are beneath the pads and when it takes to go of a childhood dream to hearing their name called on draft day? Is this whole like draft thing been kind of feeling

unreal because of Corona? You know? I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone is thinking the same thing. In this episode, we have one last athlete to introduce, La Visca Chinault, a special player officially deemed a wide receiver, but in actuality a positionless offensive weapon who destroys opposing defenses all over the field. He's a prospect on the edge of incredible opportunity after facing some of the most daunting challenges

of anyone in this draft class. Will also check in on cornerback is saying Bassie a man driven toward greatness by his family despite lacking the typical size and strength needed at his position. Now navigating the nerves that come with this life changing moment four days until the draft. Honestly, my everybody that are around me, like my family and you know, my friends, at times, I feel like they're

more nervous than me. And we'll hear from the predator Chase Young Pama go like a problemise to myself, you wanna be the best, you gotta be the best. A defensive juggernaut expected to be selected in the top three and maybe even first overall. So let's get to it. Mike Chick, Mike Chick, Mike Chick, do you want to go ahead and guide them through that? Yeah? I don't. I don't see the microphone. Do you mind talking your necklaces quick? Yeah? Hold on, wait on, that sound. What's

this over here? Why I hear all these? Uh? This is Levisca Chennault, a wide receiver known for his massive size and explosiveness and equally for his swagger. Pull it up and through your shirt. Um yeah, you gotta make sure that the hair doesn't doesn't interfere with that. The dreads. It's like hair with the purpose, like what people do with tattoos. The power of the dreads. I kind of like watching it blowing the way and when he runs in the end zone where we go, they say, oh,

let's dude, the two is played this number two. I think there is making magic. That's how people everybody noticed me. Honestly, I'm leaviscadalt jr ak to Lave. I'm twenty one years old. Like Levisca said, he's known for his dreads. There are a lot more than just a showcase for his personality. To fully understand the hair, you have to first understand the man. Like Chase Young, Jeff Okuda, and McKay Beckton.

He's entering the draft after playing just three years of college ball, and like those other three, he's being talked about as a first round draft pick. This whole like draft thing been kind of feeling unreal because of Corona, you know, I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone is thinking the same thing. I can't wait through Corona to get over with. So I can, you know, experience that. You know that that celebrity life. The NFL is full of a builliant personalities, players that light up the field and

any room they're in. That's Leaviska a Ka to Live, one of the most electrifying players in this year's draft. Now only a few days away from the draft, visca to Live, his mother and six siblings and their families are all preparing for the life changing moment when his name is called. They've rented a house a few hours away from their home in North Dallas just for the occasion. So I just got to my retreat house that I'm going. Mom, NFL drafting app um right now, kind of stuck in

the front. We need to hurry up and get in so we can start setting everything up. And my mom's kind of, you know, looks frustrating. A what happened? What happened? We got a pe? But what hap? Oh do we have the quick what's the code? The code? Yeah, we don't have a code. That's the whole point. Why mommy do you somebody found called his l so she ca give us cold and going right. They're locked out of the rental house without a code to open the door,

hopefully not a metaphor for Leavisca undrafted. So why didn't been doing this the whole time? We've been trying to get in but it's not working. You even been doing this? This tight knit family has been waiting for Leavisca's big day for a long long time, enduring much to see him meet his dreams. Now the mood is reflective, recording themselves on where the family has been and hopefully where they're headed to. Introduced yourself, y'all want to induce I'll

do it right now. Everybody had an own back. No, no, oh, yeah, this is different. It's not like a game like this. Is this that sorr He was on the quickly intro and I'm gonna sit down. All right, here we go. How you guys doing? True? Hi? Tearing the cold sister Calvin big Broa existed Carlo's brother law. Allright, know who I am? Who ship Cody? Because it twins sister number one six little bro Now I'm h m Hi, I'm annie with mom. Stop stop stop? What are yea? Y'a?

Just saying our names? What are you like? What like? Who are you to me? Like you're under saying oh, tray, okay? What this is? That the boat? It's just the talk show. The primary job of wide receiver is to find or create an opening in the chaos on the field. They have to get free to catch a pass behind the linebackers, in front of the safeties, away from the corners, and all within seconds as defenders fly around them in every direction. Hey,

I am the director, Thank you very much. At times, it feels like Levisk is playing this rule everywhere, not just down the field. So with this, what are you doing right now to stay in shape? Why would you ask me that question? So do you see yourself? What your first place? I want to go to? How to stay another country? After hold this corona? I'd tell you right now I would definitely want to go to do back. I want to go. Really, I'm trying to travel the world,

so I'm gonna go everywhere. I don't go to eat, I'm going everywhere. First much, I'm going I want to go everywhere. Actually want to go over story of course you want to go see the pyramids, egg landing, you see, you know what you want to go see. I know, I really know what they were really doing in the pyramid. We're gonna puck that. Okay, I want to go to where um we are at the bottom up to Welcome

to a Chanot barbershop session. All right, So the first topic talk who we can talk about quarter team and with life being like everybody stuck on house arrest is what I really call it. But let's go and I feel like we're able to kind of look at like different way, like morning, like, okay, this is what we need to start doing because it's Corona stuff have picked us with are now in the five tops, so something like what can we do to keep moving you know

through this candemn keep likings. I'm gonna say it's kind of sucking. I mean, you love being around your family. You get this time that's the positive family. But like I want to go to the gym, I want to go to the bar. I want to go to grow more though, But I so we got the time y'all get more time to talk and had that fun into the time for us to go back out this try to academic is when you look at it like to slow down in like plight, running so much working, doing this,

doing that. He take it to you, Chris can think about all the things that she wasn't doing that you actually wanted to because you're stuck in happy jot. How do you do to be get ready to go to the NFL? But now you gotta be stuck in the house. You're not in Vegas. Like imagine if you was in Vegas right now, you're not to and you and Davis right, I just play. I think it's pretty lame to be honest, Um, it could have been a lot more fun. But at this moment, just you know, ready to get the football.

In a draft that many analysts are calling the year of the wide receiver, Leaviska is being built as one of the top five prospects at this position. After scoring a touchdown the first time he touched the football at the University of Colorado, he never looked back. Touchdown, touchdown. Colorado. Six ft one two d and twenty seven pounds and incredibly fast, Colorado used him to attack defenses from all angles. He has a threat to score from anywhere on the

field at any time. Shoot touchdown. I played receiver and I played every position. Can I say that because this I was a Swiss Army knife, a Swiss Army knife the time had been at Colorado. Really, my coach just took advantage of, you know, my skills and you know just the ability I had. He saw something amy that I really didn't see me, but he brought it out.

So I'm glad he did that. During his three seasons in the Pacific twelve Conference, Leavisca caught one passes for almost two thousand yards and ten touchdowns, and he ran forty two times, scoring another seven touchdowns on the ground. His stellar college career and highly anticipated draft spot means the NFL wants cameras capturing the moment when his name is called. Hello. That's the justin I'm finding, Jessica. I'm with the the NFL going to kind of be your

guys with real thoughts. We're just gonna walk through a couple of tests. Walter and I went through kind of the overall um dropt Day guide yesterday, but didn't get a chance to test your camera feed. So if you don't mine for me, UM going over to that always on camera, the one on the tripod with the microphone, um, and if you could open up dat up and go to see Larry's out and oh you go ahead hit

it over. In today's COVID nineteen environment, prospects have to not only be one of the best football players in the world, they also have to be their own production crews. Looking um, if you guys don't wind out, heaving over to the other Candra the camera which is the one with the ring lights and turning turning that light on and the kind of gating that stuff up. It's already

voted up just looking over there. We're going to do the cauch with ESPN to make sure that they can out they dial with that feed when you get collected,

I'm would a call Walter. I'm just kind of stay on the line with them until the announcement is made by the commissioner on the broadcast and kind of give you a couple of seconds, you know, take that in, you know, calibrate that moment with your drop cap on UM, and then we'll ve you from kind of wherever you're studying with your your family us we're seeing in the camera and at that point that always on camera and saying won't be staking that face. So if you're you're

kind of in the shot, it shouldn't matter. What good question for you? So the like sorry, right now he has the hats? Oh, I guess we're trying in the actual shot, like the hats that have been sent out the Gatorade sponsor, the bows headphones, because any of that needs to be seeing while he's on the couch in the in front of the always own camera. Um no, don't see if if she wants to great, Um, what

our kind of recommendation in terms of the hats are. Um, it would be great if you if he has like a table or a counter or something that you can lay them out on. So when he does selecting those team he's going to do, you can easily glob correct draft cat missioner and now told me that right to be way out of the play, all right, thank you. The biggest lingering questions for these teams on the hats

have to do with Lavisca's durability. Despite leading the country in receptions per game his sophomore year, he hasn't been able to stay healthy, battling injuries and missing games throughout his college career. This year because of another injury, this one to a core muscle. He also wasn't able to train for the NFL Combine. Whenever another setback like these injuries occurs, Laviska always has one constant to turn to.

My mom is my biggest fan, because you know, she she has seen me like go through my heart times. She didn't see me struggles. She didn't see me not be the best you know, now cope being in a draft. Now, she's seen that that bounty road, that you know, that

trash road. So that's the only way you can be the biggest My biggest fan is if you've seen those things and you didn't see me get better and you didn't see me grow back before his improvement in Colorado, Lebisca grew up playing football in De Soto, a small suburb of Dallas. I was born in urban raised in the DeSoto area. I'm proud of just who I was put around and just the people where I came up with, and especially just like my school, like DeSoto High School.

Like I'm really proud of the sports from DeSoto and just how much like we was really putting in work like a college and you know, we all worked hard and it was just you know, good coaches, good program. Lebisca started to Soto High School, which boasts seven athletes entering the NFL Draft, an incredible occurrence for one high school, even one that claims multiple former NFL players as alumni, including Super Bowl m v P Von Miller. Clearly, football is a way of life in Texas. Its role and

importance in the culture is well documented. The sport played an equally significant part in Levisca's upbringing. His father, Leviska Sr. Took the sport and his team, the Dallas Cowboys, very seriously. He was a big Dolphins fan, but like just in general though, he's a just love NFL. And since I

was young, Um, all he priest was being tough. Like I used to go out and play football with people that's twenty years older than me in the back of our house and it was just a big football yards, like it's like five fields, but we all go there and play all the time with basketball, and like it didn't matter, Like whatever he was going was compete and regardless how small and how young I was, always was

remain too. And that's what I did. So he would be very proud of me because I remain took um so I know he would love love his moment right here. On July seventeen, two thousand nine, the Channots were returning home from a party at her friends. Ten year old Visca sat in the front seat. His father was driving and felt too tired to continue, so he pulled over to the side of the road to switch places with

his wife Annie. It happened so quick, it's some day to kind of it's just edging in your mind forever. There was such a traumatic thing for us. I know, we all put again and we was hugging, holding each other. As Levisca Sr. Walked around the car, he slipped and was hit by another vehicle, then another, dying at the sea. He was thirty nine, leaving behind his wife and six kids.

I will tell you, like when it first happened, Like when I first got back home, I went straight to like the bed just like fell on it, and just like it just felt like, you know, just like the bed just kept father. I mean, it's just I felt like I was like in a black hole and like just that point on, like I feel nothing, and like that's just the feeling. The feelings are like I don't I don't have them really, um, so, I don't know,

it's just crazy and like I'm working on that. I was definitely working on him because I don't like, you know, that's that's that's a whole. Another conversation after the funeral, Leavisca found the way he wanted to honor his father, his own unique manner of coping, perhaps also a way to express such a painful memory. He was gonna do dreas from now on and then did not have dress. But we come from about biblical days where we grew up in the South, and he was like, your hair

is your strength. Like Samson in the Bible, Lavisca grew out his hair, and, true to the story, as his lucks grew, he also grew bigger and stronger, finding strength in this dedication to his father. His coach at Colorado, Darrin Shiverini, represent family for Bisca. They're connected with his father. I don't see him cutting his hair anytime soon. I think it gives him strength, and I think it gives him encouragement. And just remember, the longer to get, the

stronger he gets. How about that, I'm definitely making them proud. Uh, Like he didn't really get this. He didn't get to see me play football. But like before I got to the age of me starting to play football, all he preached was be to be, to be, to be to So I know for a fact, like he would be proud that, Like, you know, I remained tough regardless of what I've been through my whole life, regardless of what

I've been through my whole career. I see you, you know, regardless of what what I went through after see you, like, regardless regardless of where I went um you know, in the rounds, I'm still gonna remain tough, you know. And that's that's the guard. It's impossible to understand the impact of such a tragic loss at such a young age. Jeff Okuda eighteen, Bryce Hall at ten, and Laviska at ten. People don't, like you really understand like who I am are,

like why I act the way I act. But it's just like my mind set, my mind set is only positive. I see like through the bad things. It's it's crazy, So my mind set is only like to see the better and things like quittin should never be an option at all. Most analysts expect Lavisca to be chosen in the first round He's a versatile, unconventional offensive weapon, the type of player who will thrive in the right situation

or potentially struggle and the wrong one. The hope on draft day is that he finds the right team to help unlock even more of his potential. Somewhere he can continue to thrive in all the chaos checking back in with another prospect, not only four days away from the draft. I'm warning right now, all right, syd listening to me, Oh, you were liking this? Why I'm telling you? He has to dropping every day. That's quarterback, is saying Bassie at

his mom ubo, He's recorded thing recording. I saw it they setting up here from today's till they dropped day. He has to drop every activity he does, to drop everything. I'll listen to the kitchen with my mom, my brother, and my uncle who's living with us, and they just found out how blue wearing them mic. That's funny. I'll wait till my dad on the cusp of what could be the most important day in his sayings professional life, he and his mom and the rest of the family

find themselves in a unique moment. They may not ever have another time like this, Frank, because Frank sent me a message today too. When you remember his name, I was just too happy. If this was a normal year, the recent wake Forest grad would be training in Miami with other potential draft picks, getting his body ready for the mandatory rookie minicamp players participate in a few weeks after the draft. Look at this. At somebody somewhere from

the news sent me today where we're here? Instead, he studies film. Who is that? That's you know you put ball? Look that's coored the testile. That's the pinout ball? Were I think? Yeah, eleven years old? Yeah? What when you're saying his mom, look back at that eleven year old boy playing football. It's impossible not to reminisce about that son of immigrants who could only dream of playing a professional sport, let alone something as foreign as American football.

We grew up in Africa to only enjoy and appreciate the spots of soccer as far as this as a san and football. To be honest to you, I'm not sure where he got the skill from, but I don't think it's anything hereditary. I'll be honest about that. You know, in Africa, all we no it's soccer when I was a young guy used to run. My mom was an athlete. Other than that, it's just his earlier exposure to the community and the friends. He had, great coaches who used to come here and pick him up. We were just

trying to adjust to a new environment. You know how it is if you don't keep a child busy, you know, saying shares the note that came with the old game tape, he said, congrats young man. The first day I saw you on a football field as a six year old, I realized he had the potential of being special. Northeast Packers where it all started. Part of you. They sent

me that. That's what I was trying to I was trying to find it earlier today and Dave plotted the guy that did the interview with me two days ago. He was the w RBL. So yeah, he said he was going to the vault of like my name, like apparently have a vault of all this stuff and my name came from and that video came up from years ago. How Jesus are anyone that was my mama? What are you gonna do with it? You're gonna I'm gonna save it? Are you gonna Can you put it on there. What

you call it? Yeah, I bet you could. Lee. You have that tons of them. With the draft in clear sight, excitement goes hand in hand with expectations for the bassis four days until the draft. Honestly, my everybody's around me, like my family and you know, my friends. At times, I feel like they're more nervous than me. I'm kind of a guy that has to be the cool head, even though it's whatever my day. I kind of have to try and keep myself down and keep myself focused

and just be confident in whatever. Everything I've done with it in my career, the pre draft process, everything I've done. So you know, I'll just be patiently waiting for my name to get Carton. I know it'll happen. I'm confident will happen, and when it does, you know I'll be extremely excited. So Hello was good? And how one yo? Joe? On the line are sayings agents Damarus Bilbo and Kelton Printshaw with Clutch Sports Group. Hello, yeah, I got yeah,

it was good. It was good chilling. Hey, we wanted to run you through this right quick, holon one second pull up a microputer. Damarius Bilbo was Gatorade player of the Year in high school and played college ball at Georgia Tech. He was picked up by the Arizona Cardinals after going undrafted in two thousand five. He knows a little something about the cost of high expectations. A lot of these young men their families, they look forward to

draft night. I mean, I had players in the past we've watched literally winning Google old drafts to kind of uh, you know, draw up their emotions and it's gonna be under control, is gonna be under control, And it's never under control. So Damarius wants to provide some real time intel to help manage the heightened anxiety of his clients. All right, so we want to just run through what they expect this weekend. Um, obviously this is gonna be

emotional weekend. But we always tell our guys if you're not emotional, if you don't have a kip on your shoulder leaving this process, then you know we we've questioned if you want to go to the next level. We like to give examples of guys that you know are now you know, pro bowlers and you know possibly future Hall of famers. You know, guys like Jarvis Landry out tomorrow, who were drafting in the second third round, seeing a lot of guys get paid before them, but you know

they're the last man standing. So you know, as we look at your situation, look at the cornerback class of this draft. Draft. Um, we actually have a board for multiple teams, but I like specific teams because of how they draft. What we like to do is just kind of run through some numbers, and we like to take three to four past drafts because you can find trends and and things like that to see how the draft

kind of flows. You see some draft where there's a lot of corners selected early and then it's kind of slows down in the mid rounds and it picks up at the hand. With this being a receiver heavy draft. As an adept that offensive line, you'll see a lot of those positions go early. Again, the better thing for you is to see more corners get off the board

early in the first two rounds. So what we're gonna do, We're gonna give you like an overview of the last three drafts and what those numbers look like and give you a total number of how those corners have been drafted. Remember that the two thousand twenty draft is the year of the wide receiver, filled with outstanding pass catchers expected to be taken early and often players like Levisca Chennault.

So NFL teams will need someone to cover those guys talented fast cornerbacks to slow down all the new offensive firepower. The more that go early, the more that gets drafted. Overall, Behau, cornerback is a position that you need that you have multiple You have those stub packages, you have you know, guys finding guys, some special teams or whatever. Thirty two corners were drafted last year, eight of them in the first two rounds. So saying must be wondering, is this

year going to play out the same way? Does that improve his chances of being picked higher? Do all the wide receivers likely to be selected, I mean more cornerbacks will also need to be drafted with you on this one particular board. Like I said, some boards you hire some more, you might be lower. But this is the team that I trust in terms of you know, how they draft and the accuracy in which they put into

their their prospects. You know. So what we'll do this weekend being killed both will track the whole draft, will give you an update Obviously you've watched the draft long enough to know that sometimes you'll see a guy that you've never heard of, Like, wait, where the hell he come from? You know what I'm saying. So, but we we like to keep it in terms of our boards. What we trusted in turn about is thing what we heard in terms of our information, the realistic situation according

to the agent's intel. You know, on one and you know you have the Jeff o'coon and the Bryce Hall who are six ft plus corners, and then you have the saying you know, skill set is the same. He's just as good as those guys, but he's a little smaller. You know, he got a Senior Bowl invite, had a hell of a career wake for us, got a Senior

Bowl invite, gotta combined invite and perform very well. But again he has uh uphill battle because he's a smaller guy in a league that's playing a lot of bigger corners. My hoop on draft day is that my name gets called, uh flat out. It doesn't matter when or where. Just for my name to get called, I'm gonna be grateful and be ready to work. Other than that, I get to see all my friends who are also in this

process as well see their names potentially get called. So you know, I would love to see that happen for them and support them and doing that. But other than that, for my name to get called, that's my biggest concern and for my family to see that happened for me, and you know, know that all the support they put into me and I was worth it that feeling for them as well, whatever happens in four days. Demerius has faith in his class. He's saying, is more of he

He comes off like a doctor. You know, when you walk into you walked in that room and you're getting your results, You're like, okay, is his good news are bad news? He has the same temperament throughout the day. You don't know when he's higher, he's low. You don't know if he's excited or he's disappointed. You just don't know with him. But he has that composure and that posture that you know is somebody who's going to be very successful. Whenever he chooses to do, We'll be right back.

There's a saying at home waiting for draft day with his family, nervous about his prospects, and then there's Chase young, the potential number one pick. Chase doesn't waste time or energy worrying about draft day. He's focused on the future much much further out. I'm thinking getting the gym my house and I want I want my backyard to be turf. I want to have everything in my career, like everything

I need. Like yeah, like I don't have a gym, and then whatever room that may have been or that bathroom for the ice ice little tank, you know what, I'm a little metal joints, Loman, I'm looking joints, the one man ice tank. Yeah, I'm gonna geting one of them. And then it's this sauna. But it's like you're sit in a chair, are you getting as like a little bubble kind of and put that duds on in there and the ice tank and then had a gym. Yeah. Focus,

then yeah, we think about getting an apartment of song. Uh, I mean if so, yeah, I mean you feel me, I'm gonna get Uh it's gonna be at least a three bad one. So if all fails, you see me, you already know if I'm gonna go make a promise to myself. You wanna be the best. You gotta be the best. To be the best. That means pushing himself on the field and off he mhm h yeah, but what does that really mean? The best? Yeah, lockout, lockout? That my fuck ship. The best weightlifter in the gym,

or the best player on his defense. Let's compare. That's things compres compare. That's I mean, if you want to go down in the numbers, that's all you doing that. That's the only thing that matters. That's all the weight you're using. Chris, I know, I was just That's why I was asked maybe the best player on the field every Sunday, Little Julius Prepper highlight before the word out two who two mm hm hm m hm three. I

got stronger. I got stronger, right, dud fill it? Or is the best and even higher ceiling for Chase, the best defensive player in the league. Or I was watching Julius Feathers like, don't really do a lot of weights. Yeah, but you see the veil. He was slimmer to me, his own shorter the mine him you saying, Hi, he got a different build though. It's like he got his his torso is longer, his legs shorter leg nick, but

more athletic. As if the pressure of being a top pick weren't enough, Chase has begun comparing himself to Julius Peppers, the two thousand and two defensive rookie of the Year, the nine time pro bowler with one hundred fifty nine and a half career sacks, the guy who made the NFL All Decade Team for both of the last two decades. I think Jerry is a great fifth fan, saying length you know, hype wives, same kind of body frame out

of high school. In the college Buckeye associate head coach Larry Johnson is happy to further the comparison between Chase and the six ft seven, three hundred pound former Carolina Panther, Chicago Bear, and Green Bay Packer. I think Jews kind of head of the past rins game when he went into pros, and that's where Chases. They both looked similar on movement skills, can both dropping a coverage, very athletic, very physical players, saying length you know, hype wives, same

kind of body frame, Julie's purpose outsiding player. In college football, Peppers won most of the same awards Chase one, and if you line up their stats from college, the Julius Peppers and Chase you On comparisons begin to get creepy. Both played in exactly thirty or four games over three years in college. Both had exactly thirty and a half sacks during those games, but Peppers had more interceptions and Chase had more forced fumbles. I think it's a good,

good assessment he really is. I mean, care is about being great and that, and that's what he really wants and he talks about all the time. He beca I want to be the best. I want to be best. I'm humble, but I want to be the best. So you gottamire it out about it. Chase wants to be the best, the best in the league, the best at his position. I say, all them dudes, that uh opening When I was smaller and there I wanna at the season,

I was like two fifty two. I think the game and I'm like James got bigger ship out of know wheen fuck you've been don He wants to be the best pass rusher to ever play the game. Coming up on the next episode of Drafted. I mean, we didn't have a lot of money, so I was always one evated to get to the NFL. So I can kind

of make it easier on her financially. Cornerback Jeffakuda. The biggest thing was just like facing it, Like I'm not looking for someone to like football to take away, take it away, but like just kind of facing the new reality. Offensive lineman Tremaine Ancram, who run five of this eight r kill It's massive and let's killed us last time, just kill us in cornerback Bryce Hall, and I was questioning, like, is this really something I want to do for the

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