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three four. Okay. You know I weighed in on Jada and Will's marriage, and you know it's absolutely okay for me that people have different kinds of marriages. The lying part really bothers me. So I wanted to bring in somebody who maybe even more open minded than I am, and is very supportive of this couple and many couples who live different kinds of arrangements. Doctor Tammy Nelson is a psychotherapist and author of The New Monogamy. It's a great book.
You should get it. Hi, Doctor Tammy, how are you, hi, Doctor Wennie, how are you so glad to be here? All right, I'm sure you've been interviewed all over today for Jada and Wills to weigh in on their marriage. But what reason would a couple have to do this, to separate for this long and not tell anybody. Well, I mean, just like any other couple would treat their living what I call living
a part together relationship private. It's interesting because they're celebrities, so there's a difference between privacy and secrecy, and we think that because they're in the public eye, we should know everything about their about their relationship like so for us, it feels like they kept a secret from us, like we're in a relationship with them. That's how I feel. That's how I feel. Jada, my best friend has kept a secret from me, right she was cheating
on you? Yes, okay, so you've put it into so we shouldn't ever put pressure on celebrities to make every aspect of their life public. That's the first thing I do want to say. But why do you think they as a private couple show? I mean, do you think they had an inner circle of friends who knew who are also sworn to secrecy? Like were they living so separately? How does his work? I mean somebody had to know that. You know, their kids certainly knew, and that is a
concern, you know. I mean, all families have secrets, and I wonder what the pressure was for them to keep the secret. But maybe they were doing it. Maybe you know, maybe Will and Jada, we're doing it to protect their kids. And I think as parents we have to look at what, you know, what links were going to go to to protect our family. You know, what Jada's saying is that she didn't ever want to get divorced because for her, it didn't serve her as a parent.
And I think we have to look at that. There's a variety of ways to have monogamy, monogamy just being being married to one person. So they had this open agreement, whether they call it an open marriage or not, they had an agreement that they were going to stay married legally and have a non traditional family relationship. Well, the thing that I find fascinating is they
went to such great a lengths to pretend that they were together. For instance, on her Red table talks, when she you know, decided to admit that she had an entanglement with a young was he a repper? August? Thank you? And then there was this whole you know, come to Jesus moment where the two of them bonded over this pain that their relationship has had and et cetera. And they acted like they were fully married and this was an affair on her side, only when now we know that they weren't even
living together. So they they did the whole show as an act. What do you think of that, Well, I think it's it's a little disturbing for the people who are in open relationships, who for them, they were kind of like the poster the poster people for open relationships, kind of starying. You know, look, this can work, and this can work in public in public relationships. So if you want to have an open relationship and talk about it in a really loving and caring way, this is the way
to do it. And now to say, well, we weren't really in an open relationship, we kind of our kind of weren't like, I think it's a little confusing. And I think that just goes to show that we as humans want to pigeonhole people's relationships. We want to give them a name. And I can tell you right now that monogamy is not binary. It's not like you have a traditional marriage or you have a wide open, consensual, non monogamous marriage. There are so many shades of gray between which I
think there one of them. I think they fall on that continualm You have even said on this show before that you think an affair is a messenger. It's telling you something either about your own need or a need of the relationship, and we should pay attention to what that message is more than just moralize on the right or the wrong. I did I paraphrase pras you correctly. Yeah. I think affairs can be you know, wake up or break up
moments. I think they can also be away. Instead of feeling like, you know, we're actually looking for someone, I think we're looking to be
someone else. So they may not be looking for someone new necessarily, but if you're looking to be someone new, it's really important to figure out who am I trying to be with these other people or this other person, and can I integrate that part of myself either into my marriage or into who I'm trying to be in the public eye or even with myself, Because it's really the compartmental is a and the splitting off of disintegrating that creates such a feeling
of not living in integrity, which is what I think they're challenged over right now. But I think I think that they were as confused as we are in many ways. She says that she just wasn't She told Hoe to copy on the Today Show, Jada that excuse me, she just wasn't ready to
go public. What could have taken her so long? Seven years? Well, it's interesting that it's seven years, right, I Mean, we joke around about the seven year itch, But people really do go through phases of their life, like we go through our own developmental phases, and relationships go through developmental phases. So maybe you know, the kids are at a certain age now, you know, each of them have grown to a certain age.
Maybe they've got more independent projects going on, and they're you know, maybe one of them has another relationship, you know, in their back pocket that they're ready to mouth. I have no idea. Who knows, Oh that could be it. Maybe one of them is ready to go public with their relationship. And also, she does have a book coming out this week that she's promoting and we are talking about her. So it's so smart for promotion, it's pretty smart. What about the fact that they supposedly do not
have a prenap. Do you think that kept them undivorced? Well, I mean we're hearing about things like Jonas and Sophie and people who like announce their divorce and then take it back and sort of say, well, maybe we shouldn't get divorced, And I think that says something about how we handle, you know, endings in our society today. We're really good at the beginnings, but we kind of fuck at the endings. You know, it's very
very complicated, very complex, very painful. Although we used to laugh at Gwyneth Paltrow's conscious uncoupling, and now it seems to make so much sense. Oh, I think we have to use intentional divorce and do it with integne. So if you're gonna end your relationship, to do it with respect, you know, thank the person, Thanks for everything we've been through, Thanks for all we've learned from each other. I really appreciate it, and I
wish you, you know, the best in your world. It's time and you know, what people do, This is my opinion I see it all too often, is they don't know how to separate with respect. They don't know how to separate with gratitude. So the only way that they feel they're
allowed to separate is through anger and contempt. And I watch people fighting years after their marriage ended and still angry about the end and unable to integrate the good that happened, because nobody stays in a relationship for years and years and years if it's all bad every day, Right, there's always some good. But do you think, doctor Tammy, that it helps people to separate when
they can focus on the anger. Well, I think you know, we have this morality about marriage that staying together is good and breaking up is bad. So regardless of whether you're angry or you separate in a loving way, I think we still have this very black and white binary way of looking at marriage. And anybody who does it in a way that's a little bit more gentle or slow, or loving or caring should be should be awarded a prize
because it's not easy in our culture. So if Data and Will are doing it in a transitional way that works for them, who are we to judge? Who are we to judge? Especially if she sells a book that will help support her after they divorce. Look, monogamy is not easy. Marriage is not easy for anybody, so you know, listen to throw stones in the glass marriage House. Exactly, we all live in the glass marriage House. Doctor Tammy Neilson, thank you so much for being with us. If
you'd like to get her book, it is called The New Monogamy. Always a pleasure to talk with you when we come back. I am taken your calls. The numbers one eight hundred five two zero one KFI. That's one eight hundred five two zero one five three four. If you have a relationship question, let me weigh in. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty. We live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand KFI AM six forty. You have
doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the Doctor Wendy Walls Show. I'd like to welcome my Instagram audience. If you'd like to come in the studio with me and see what's going on here, You're welcome to log onto Instagram go to my account, Doctor Wendy Walsh. Okay, I'm about to take your calls. Before I do, I want to remind everybody I'm not a therapist. I'm a psychology professor. However, I've written three books on relationships.
I wrote my dissertation on attachment theory. I am the recipient of eighteen years of good therapy, so I've got lots of personal advice for you. Think of me as an old auntie who would love to weigh in on your relationships. Okay, Producer, Kayla, who do we have on the phone? We have Maguel with the Will Smith question? Okay, Hi, Miguel, you got a question about the Will Smith Jada Pa, Doctor, how are you? I'm good? Which question? I have an interesting scenario.
I wanted to get your take. Do you think it's possible that Will Smith saw Chris Rock as a mate coacher and had an overreaction in front of America that this is a man who's the mate poaching our union, and maybe he reacted because of that. So I don't know the history between Chris Rock and Jada, but I know that she said at the time, this is old stuff, Will, So I don't know. I think your question is a good one. Could he have perceived him as a mate poacher so he had
to show off his stuff? An evolutionary psychologist might think that I think a therapist might more say, you know, he will who He talks about it openly in his book, witnessed his mother being abused and he felt incapacitated, unable to protect her. So I would think that this is is trauma that is being triggered again in his adult life, and I think it's more related to that than his concern that Chris was a mate poacher. But excellent question,
Thanks Miguel. Okay, Producer, Kayla. Who do we have next? We have Mark with a question? Mark. Hi, Mark, It's doctor Wendy. Hey, Wendy, I need some advice on my relationship with my wife. I'm happy to get advised myself in the doghouse this weekend. Uh oh, you put yourself in the doghouse, would you do? Mark? Okay, Well, it stems from I'm a nighttime truck driver, so
I'm gone all night and I sleep all day. And so my wife, who's involved in our church, keeps getting more and more involved in different activities and programs, and I think called peel the onion, where it's like a therapy for people get rid of their past regressions. Anyway, so she's more and more involved and she's more and more gone from the house. Mm hmm.
You're sleeping anyway during the day, yes, okay, but it happened into nighttime activities with the with the girls, and it's it's almost every day of the week type thing. And and you know, I'm feeling like I'm not getting enough lifetime fair and I'm feeling left out and I'm feeling jealous of her. Oh did you express it like that? Yeah? Well, so Friday we had a big blowout about it, and I mean, she knows
how I feel about it. And I told her it's it's becoming more and more and I'm seeing less and less of you, and I feel it's hurting our relationship. Yeah, that's fair to say. And what was her response, animosity? Okay, So Friday, I go to pick up a prescription and on the way out, the pharmacist compliments the shirt that I have on. Okay, and so my wife is a stay at home wife, she doesn't have to work, and so I told her, yeah, the guy
just complimented my shirt. And I said, I'm thinking about buying another one, and these are one hundred dollars shirts. And she said, well, you've been spending a lot of money on yourself lately, and I and I snapped back by saying, yeah, well I work. I think I deserve it, and that started a whole thing to words gave me. She gave me the cold shoulder, and she says, you know, hours later, or maybe over the weekend, she said, what you said hurt me so
bad. You made me feel like I'm worthless by saying that what I said. Okay, so do you guys have children? Mark, I need to interrupt because we're on radio and we don't have time. Okay, so let me say this. Basically, I'm going to translate what your argument was. You are feeling abandoned by her because you're working all the time, and then you want to see her, and she's getting more and more involved in another
social life for social support almost every night of the week. So you guys have an argument where you're saying, I don't feel you love me enough. I don't feel you want to spend time with me, and then you do a tit for tat and do the same thing back. When she says you know you're spending a lot of money on yourself, you say, well, Lisa, I work, So you implied you're not valuable. Right, So you've each implied that each other are not valuable, and the way you get
back to love is in a moment of repair. You do that translation, you say, I was trying to tell you that I feel not valuable to you, and then I accidentally told you that you didn't seem valuable to me. But we both need each other. You need to you know, whatever the work you do in the house, I appreciate and then talk about it, But you guys have to get together in a place of repair and love.
Instead of accusing you do this, you do that. You do that, stay on yourself and also ask how words, how can we solve this? What can the remedy be? Instead of like you need to not go out so much, or you need to do that, forget all that, just talk about I feel this and how can we solve this? And if you guys can't come up with ideas and solutions together, then I highly recommend you go see a marriage and family therapist, that you find the time to
make your relationship a priority because right now you're both drifting apart. She's drifting apart with getting other social support. You're drifting apart because you're working. I understand the night shift is really rough on relationships. You're working all night and sleeping all day. You guys have to find some common ground to get back into love. Thank you so much for calling, Mark, and I'm so sorry you're going through this. Okay, if you'd like to call in the
numbers one eight hundred five two zero one five three four. If you're watching on Instagram and you can't hear the caller, you can download the iHeartRadio app and you can hear both sides of the conversation, although I do try to repeat the question. Okay, so I have a question that just came in on Instagram. Here we go, Dear doctor Wendy, any tips for moving on after a four year relationship. To make a long story short, I'm
a bisexual woman who is involved with a married straight woman. I met her at work, fell in love unexpectedly on a drunken night. I want to pause right there. Anybody who falls in love unexpectedly is not aware of their needs, is not aware of who they want to be in relationships. And you need to go to therapy so that you're not sort of blind, like some kind of emotional hijacking. Happens to you. Then she said, I never thought i'd be in between anyone's marriage. But it's complicated. At first,
I had no idea she was married. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you're tached, you're into it. But she made the first move and things progress from there. She almost separated from her husband, but decided to stay for the kids and financial reasons. And I'm left with a broken heart. He has no clue about me. She never told him. My advice to you is heal and move on. You learn something really valuable
here. You've learned that when you get involved with somebody who has a primary partner, there's a very good chance that it's not going to turn into a full time relationship. It is hard to get over. Spend some time grieving, go to therapy, find out why you were blindsided for love by love and not aware of your needs. It is very important. I'm so sorry going through this. I know it's painful, but you learned something really important, didn't you. All right, if you'd like to call in, the
number is one eight hundred five two zero one five three four. That's one eight hundred five to zero one KFI. You are listening to the doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand KFI AM six forty. You have doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the Doctor Wendy Walls Show. I am taking your calls weighing in on your relationship life for my drive
by makeshift Relationship Advice. Okay, producer Kayla. Who do we have on the phone. We have Veronica. Hi, Veronica, It's doctor Wendy. Hi, Doctor Wendy. What's your question? Love? And I'm listening to you for a long time. Oh, thank you? What's your what's your question? I have a girlfriend who who are? Our relationship has pretty much come to an absolute stop and it's been I've given her some time, you know, to what it is that she had a problem with, you know,
to get over. Because she's a Taurus. My son's a Tarus. I know how bullheaded they can get in there thinking. So I was giving you a room. I've attempted, you know, numerous times to contact her a text, you know, and I know she's reading them, but I have she's not responding, and I just don't really quite know what to do. Is going on six months now. It hurts so haright with her, Veronica, let me tell you it has happened to me. It's happened to
me right now with one of my friends who I care about deeply. I'm still not sure why she's mad. And I will tell you this, even though it is very, very painful to us, the one, excuse me, the one who's being ghosted or ostracized or given the silent treatment too. Even though it's painful to us, they are not deliberately trying to hurt us. What they are doing is trying to cope with their own feelings because they were ever given language for words or language for feelings. They were never giving
words for feelings. So the only thing they know is to distract themselves and move along because they can't. Now. I have to tell you I have a friend who did this to me many many, many years ago. It lasted for many months as well. We both had children at the same elementary school. And one day, months into it, after I texted and called and said, you know what's up and why are you mad at me?
Whatever? And no response, no response, no response. I see her walking across the schoolyard and she and I literally have to pass each other. We're both going different directions, we have to walk past each other. There's no one else around. You can't not acknowledge somebody. And I said good morning, and she started crying. She threw herself into my arms. She
said, my best friend just died, her best friend from childhood. And because she was in a vulnerable mond moment and full of sympathy, she was able to open up and connect. Now it's ten years later, we're fine, we've been fine. And I said, what happened back then? Why'd you ghost me out? What's the deal? What does it feel like for you? Help me understand? And she said, there are no words.
It's like I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say, so I just do nothing because it's like when I try to think of what to do, there's just a blank space in my head. So as much as we who have been shut out, imagine that they're sitting at home going, hey, I am not going to answer that text, but that hurts her, they're not. They see it, get slightly ruffled and distract themselves with something else they can't even bring themselves to focus on this because they
were not taught as children how to voice their feelings and they can't. So it's important, Veronica, that you still love yourself and I know you miss her. You're going to have to replace her. There's nothing you can do at this point except to move on and know that you are lovable and you are deserving a friendship. Thank you so much for calling with that question, Veronica. It's something that happens to so many people, and I'm glad you shared it. All Right, we have a little more time. I want
to go to social media. Here's some relationship questions that are pressing and people ask a lot. How about this one, Dear doctor Wendy, how fast is too fast when starting to date someone, as in the time spent together, affection, intimacy, et cetera. This is a question asked by people who probably had a you know, dysfunctional model for love, and so they're always like, is this normal? They're asking themselves, is this too fast? Is this too slow? Should I be having sex? Now? Should
I be? Because they don't really know what feels right to them, So I think it's important that you get in touch with yourself and your body to see about that pace. I'll tell you what's not normal. What's not normal is too much too soon. If you meet somebody on an app and you're suddenly texting every date, no, no, no, no, that's way too fast. Intimacy, you know, it slowly opens up and you must
meet in the real world. To develop real intimacy. You must be able to, at the very beginning say things like, you know, I'd like to share that with you, but I don't think we're there yet. I don't think I'm ready to share that with you. That's called being intimate, but having boundaries and then slowly opening up affection. It should take time. Somebody shouldn't be, you know, manhandling you on a first date shouldn't happen.
It should be And I'm watching what they're exhibiting on the Golden Bachelor and I'm gonna throw up, because no, you should have a couple of dates before you hold hands. And the good guys nowadays ask, they say, hey, can I hold your hand? And you move slowly towards it. The research is clear. The longer you wait to develop the physical relationship not
I mean full on sex, I mean affection. Hold hand holding, hugging, kissing on the cheek, whatever, that can happen fairly soon, but moving towards a deep sexual relationship should happen after you've developed the most important thing you're going to need in your relationship. Trust. If you don't fully trust somebody, you should not be having sex with them. If you can't talk to them about sex or your reservations, or you're wanting to slow things down,
then you shouldn't be having sex with them. And I think all relationships have a time at the beginning. I call it the time of unknowing or nobody you know, both sides don't know, like do they like me? Do they like me? And that's sort of an exciting time because you've got some nervous chemicals along with your attraction action chemicals, the neurochemistry, right, So just stay strong, slow things down. There's all the time in the
world to develop a relationship. And I know you're saying some of you out there, but they'll leave. They'll leave if I ask them to wait too long. And then you should do the touchdown cheer because they're not your person. If they don't understand you and empathize with what you're going through. They're not your person. And that's the other great thing that everyone needs to learn in human mating. When to let go, know when to hold them and when to fold them. Right, Okay, do I have time for one
more rowell? Or we know no at the end? Okay, So slow it down, everybody. I preach slow love, all right? When we come back, Oh right, on that same subject, how to find love without having to hook up? Want me come back. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand kf I Am six forty. You have Doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the home
stretch of the Doctor Wendy wallsh Show. It's a question that comes up all the time, especially right now. So I just want to explain why the problem exists. We have an oversupply of successful women when we have too many successful women. Women, of course, have the economics to be able to enjoy sex for sex's sake. They can enjoy their bodies. They've got the birth control pill. They can hook up and have fun and it's great why
not, Well, because here's what happens to men. When women put as I like to say, sex out into the economy in high supply, men get lazy. They don't have to try. I mean, one of the reasons historically that men have worked hard to raise money is to impress a woman so that they could pay for nice dates, impress her with a fancy car. But now he can sit swiping through those dating apps and just see who
wants to hook up tonight. And yet women are pressed during their reproductive years to find a mate if they'd like to have a mate who would also contribute more than genes, to find a mate who would like to stay around. And so women and men, I will say, aren't happy, many of them with the hook up culture, but they don't know any other way,
because it's become normalized. There are many young people who meet by text, meet and have sex before developing a relationship, and then one of them goes to each other and that's that, and it happens every day in this city. A new study published in the Review of General Psychology found that hookups have become the standard part of the contemporary dating scene, and they blame dating apps the Researchers say dating apps offer convenience and access to a vast pool oftent partners,
and they also have an emphasis on quick and superficial connections. So therefore quantity seems to become the goal over quality. I was looking at one of the questions that someone DMed me earlier, and I didn't get a chance to get to it. But it was like, how come I text these guys on dating apps and they don't seem to want to get together in the real world. Are they just collecting women? Yeah, that's what they're doing, they literally. So let me explain how men and women use dating apps very
differently men are When women get on a dating app. First of all, they look at a man's profile, They analyze every photograph, They read what he writes, They read into what he writes. They imagine what that is a metaphor for, or they imagine what he really means. Then they scrutinize those photos. They try to decide whether that lamp behind him is from Restoration Hardware or Ikea. They try to decide if the hat is hiding a bald head or not. They try to decide, you know, who took that
picture? Does he have no friends because he's alone in his bathroom with the toilet in the background. Oh no, guys don't, okay. And so women scrutinize and they're very selective with who they match with, and they get very excited because when they finally find one that they match with and they really like him, almost always it's a match. All of a sudden, the app goes it's a match. The stars and stripes happen. I don't know,
fireworks go off on those apps. But you know how men use those apps, Ladies, They swipe on every single woman, They match with every woman, and they just see who likes them. So don't get overly excited because they're message box fills up with twenty women really quick, and when they're bored, they go through and shoot a few messages, and a few of them. They wait till Friday night when it's late, and then they say,
who wants to listen? A young woman I know had never spoken to a man ever in her life and on a DM, no, hello, no, please to meet you. Hey, I've been following you, you're pretty whatever. Nothing. The DM just said tonight or tomorrow night. That's all it said. The audacity isn't that crazy tonight or tomorrow night? What did that person say? Bad? She said for what? And he said ice cream, which I think could have been a metaphor. I don't ice
cream. I don't know. She ghosted him after that. Good. Yeah, no social skills. He was an athlete, just saying they're not known for their eloquence when it comes to words. Okay, So let me tell you how you can find love without being pressured to put out so quickly. Because women ask me all the time, but the guys say, if we don't have sex first, then don't be with him. And if you say
no to enough of them, I always want to remind you. Even in a so I talk about an oversupply of successful women in the mating marketplace. So even if there's a bumper crop of tomatoes one season and the price of tomatoes drops to one cent ahead, I promise you there is still a market for an organic, heirloom artisan tomato that is two dollars ahead. So which tomato are you? If you value yourself and just wait and are known by saying no, no, no, no no, then eventually somebody is going
to say WHOA This person likes themselves this person. I'm ready to wait for this person. This is amazing. So let's talk about how you can find love without having a hook up. First of all, replace the dating app if you have to use technology, Join common interest online communities instead. We talked about this at the beginning of my show. Whether they're on Patreon, meet up wherever it may be. Join online communities where you can keep your
cameras on and just meet friends. Also work your real world social contacts and attend real world social events. Don't be shy. Say yes to everything, business, networking things, anything you get invited, people's birthday parties, or you barely know. Just get out there. Get out there all right now. When you do meet somebody, do not be shy. Be very honest about your long term goals. There is nothing shameful about wanting a committed relationship
and wanting a family, So you should not have to hide that. And how do you do it? You engage in meaningful conversations. Don't lead with sexual attraction. So I had the funniest conversation with a girlfriend of mine this week. She has a great boyfriend now, but she goes So here's the thing I really love to to really love to dress slutty, she said. I love to dress slutty, she goes, but I never do it in the first three dates. I always dress super conservative until he earns it,
and then I show up at all my sexy attire. So think about that. She knows how she's marketing yourself. You can market yourself for short term relationship, or you can market yourself for a long term relationship. Two different sets of attire, two different levels of conversation. You can lead it also, dare I say it, don't hook up, Just don't do it. Take your time. I know. Hookup culture glorifies the idea of sexual freedom,
encourages you. They call it feminist. Even no immediate gratification is not more important than building a deep emotional connection. And if someone's pressuring you to have sex or get rid of them, just leave. We're done. That's how you find love. When I met my sweet Julio, it was late least six weeks before we you know, had the fun and merrily still around still around three and a half years later. Okay, before we go,
I just want to say something about Susanne Summers. My heart goes out to Alan Hamill tonight they were the longest, most loving, most committed couple I've ever met in my life. We had conversations a few years ago. They were approaching their fiftieth wedding anniversary at that point, and I asked them could I write a book with them co author about their love story? And Alan Hamill called me. He was so nice. He spent so much time on
the phone talking about my proposal. Said, you know, basically, we work with so many doctors with all the stuff we got going, we already have deals, but you know, thank you for sending it. They were just so sweet in public. They loved to make jokes about their life together, pretending or maybe not that it was hot right till the end in a public group. He actually went to my same university, and you know she
met him. She was a nineteen year old assistant, right, And his joke is, what was the pickup line that won over the most beautiful woman in the world. Well, it was easy way back then. It was just dull. Can you get me a coffee? But he also said the night he thought up the thigh Master, he was in bed and he said, and so I didn't want to forget it, So I rolled off of Suzanne and wrote it down. They were adorable. They were a lovely people.
Alan, My heart goes out to you with the passing of Suzanne Summers announced today. Such a gem, such a very bright woman who knew how to play ditsie. But she was super bright, super smart. And I think I'm gonna go out and dig out my thigh master in honor of her. You know, they came out with a vibrating one at the end. How fun is that? Thanks for watching it or watching listening to the Dr Wendywall Show. I'm here every Sunday from seven to nine pm. You can
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