This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI AM six forty, the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. And I am taking your calls. The number is one eight hundred five two zero one five three four. That's one eight hundred and five two zero one KFI. A reminder, I'm not a therapist. I'm a wise woman. I'm a psychology professor. I've written three books on relationships and did my dissertation on attachment theory.
I am going, well, Kayles, screening the calls. I am going to go to social media where we have you know, it's very delicate conversations. Oh right, right right, Tony wanted me so. Remember earlier in the show, we were talking about the comments the Tyler Perry made about that the internet's all a flutter about black women should accept men even if they make
less money, as long as they give them love in other ways. And Kayla very clearly said that she thought that a wealthy man had no right telling a woman what she should need or what she should accept. So one of our listeners called back in a talk back, and let's listen to that. Hey, doctor Winnie's Arnold again. You guys probably won't play this, but I want to say I think Kavis overreacting. It's not about settling, It's
about finding somebody that cares about you, that you care about. Monetary responsibilities shouldn't really matter. If you can take care of them, she can take care of them, as long as they're taken care of. But two people finding each other it should be a beautiful thing. Okay, Arnold, I understand your point. However, it is not my job or your job to ever tell a black woman what she needs, what she should do, or that she's overreacting. I wouldn't do that. We'll just leave it at that
hero who. Okay, well, let that would fly? All right? Let me go to social media. The number is one eight hundred and five two zero one five three four. Dear doctor, Wendy, help, I'm currently five months pregnant. I do not like messages that start out that way. Help. I'm currently five months pregnant. My partner has not been present going to doctor's appointments, and I even had to go to the ear once. This is my second pregnancy and I've been having some things come up.
I've voiced to him many times that he needs to be there with me. His work schedule is crazy, and his work is aware that I'm pregnant. Not to mention, he has several hours of what's pto, pto? Okay, pay time off? Okay, thank you. I don't expect every single time, but for example, when I have to go to the ear, he's never there and he's always working. I'm in Oh, I'm in the ar now crying by myself, awaiting test results, and he's barely checking in
on me. I feel so alone. I've told him how alone and terrified I've felt. Am I wrong for having these expectations? Now we have a new thing less sentence I just got to say because it adds the plot thickens. The last sentence is with my first pregnancy that son's father was not there either, So it's also triggering feelings of abandonment. Oh where do I go here? First of all, if you're alone in an er, I want
you to know there are angels around you and caring people. I train a lot of people in my psychology students who go into the healthcare industry, and there are lots of people who are there for you. But I'm seeing a pattern here that you're choosing partners who aren't giving you care, especially at your greatest moment of need, physical vulnerability, when you're at an emergency ward.
And so this is you know, like if you went to see a therapist, I'll bet you the therapist might say something like, well, this might be confirming some unconscious feelings you have that you're not worthy enough of care and love. But I'm going to tell you you are worthy of care and love. And if this guy's not even caring for you when you're pregnant, how is it going to help out with the kids. I am just so worried
for you. My best advice is to get more social support. Lean on your friends, family, sisters, mothers, grandmothers, everybody you need to get social support. Don't count on him because he's not going to change, and you're gonna sit there pining away and being sad. You're gonna have to get different social support because you've got a hard road ahead of you. All Right, we have a caller, who do we got, Kayla? We have Josie. Hi, Josie, it's doctor Wendy. Hi. What's your
question? Love? I I feel like I'm in a pattern I was married for twenty five years to a man that every time he wouldn't get his way, he would ignore me. He would ignore me for days or weeks, and days or weeks he would give you the silent treatment, and you hung in there for twenty five years. Our last year of marriage, I think he didn't talk to me for a whole year, and we were practically living in the same house, like if we were roommates. Anyways, moving forward,
I've been single five years. Two men I've dated. I would call them, they wouldn't answer, text them, they wouldn't text me back, and I would still hang in there. And I was like, wait a minute, why am I doing that to myself? I feel like I'm in a pattern. This is a big breakthrough for you. This is a big breakthrough you realize it's you and your choices. I mean, they're allowed to be however they want, but you're choosing people with poor conflict skills. And
I highly suggest you get a therapist to help you change. But a therapist would probably say, you know, what does this remind you of in your early childhood? Who taught you that it was okay to give me the silent Yeah, my parents ignored each other. Oh, and this is what you learn right, And yeah, this is what you learned is okay, And sometimes you get out of that. Trying something different, even if it's supposed to be pleasurable, can be terrifying. Right. Have you ever heard me,
Josie tell the story of the hole in the road. That's my favorite example of personal growth. And I'll tell you what stage you're at. Stage one is you're walking down the street, you don't see a hole in the road, and you fall in. That's your twenty five year marriage, right and with a silent treatment all the time. Then you're walking down the street. This time you see the hole and you recognize it and you still fall
in. That's you right now. The third stage is you're walking down the street, you see that hole, and this time you go, no way, I'm not going out with that guy. You very carefully walk around that hole. But the fourth stage is you take a different street. And so it's about this awareness that you're growing, Josie. You're starting to see it's a pattern. You're starting to see that you know it's not your fault, but that there are things you're doing that are attracting you to these people.
So here's my best advices is just girlfriend to girlfriend advice the next time anybody you date gives you poor conflict resolution skills, namely the silent treatment. Block them, change the number to move on, defriend, unfollow, just disapper, just disap here forever. Don't be in love with hope that they'll change. Don't say, well I called you, Why didn't you call me? Nope, nope, nope, nope. There don't get a chance to ever ever ever call you or talk to you again. All righty h Josie,
thank you so much for calling. Should I go back to social media? Tony? You said something? Was it time? I got Tony in my ear? Because I just go on and on and on and he has to tell me because we have to go to break sometimes. You know, I will have more when we come back. If you would like to call in, the number is one eight hundred five to zero one KFI. That's one eight hundred and five to zero one five, three four. You're listening to
the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show and kf I am six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KF. I am six forty. You have doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show and I am taking your calls. The number is one eight hundred five two zero one KFI. Okay, producer Kayla, who do we got? We have Gina with the question. Gina, Hi, Gina, it's doctor Wendy. Hi, doctor Wendy. How are you
good? What's your question? Love? I just wanted to know if you feel like you have a divine partner in someone but they don't see it that way, how do you kind of get over this, this feeling of not being with that person. Well, my therapist used to say to me that I should use the feelings. The feelings are messengers. It's really not about this person. This person is a convenient object for you to project some of your feelings of loss onto. And when you work with a licensed clinical therapist,
they will help you get to the root of it. And that's how change happens, when your brain learns that it's not about seeking out unavailable partners. I want to tell you you use that word a divine partner. It sounds a lot like a soulmate to me, and these things don't exist. When you become whole, when you have enough self esteem, when you have healthy relationship skills, there will be a lot of soulmates around all of a
sudden, a lot of divine partners around. What this person is is an object for your longing, an object for what psychologists might call an anxious attachment style. And I really encourage you to get a partner in this, which would be a good therapist who can help you get to the bottom of those feelings, because otherwise you're going to keep finding partners like this that will bring
up those same feelings until they're attended to. We spend our adult romantic lives going back to the scene of the crime, going back to visit our childhood injustices. But now they tend to be good looking people, driving nice cars, with good jobs. But that doesn't mean that they don't evoke in us early childhood feelings. Gina. I hope that explains a bit, And thank you for calling. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, Producer Kayla. Who we got next? We have Terry with a question. Terry, Hi,
Terry, it's doctor Wendy. Oh hello, Hi, what's your question? I want to know what kind of what would I look for a woman who is a better class person? Does that doesn't mean educated because that means nothing to me, but can carry on a conversation. You know, if I mention mentioned Byron Peacher Shelley, they won't you left clueless. We'll have some idea what I'm talking about. I saw you once, you're the thank you for right age, and I'm taking I found you attractive. I know he
may not be around forever though. That's called trying to hang out and be a backup mat. When we were talking about backupmates last week, So is your question, Terry, you want to know where you can meet women? Well, yeah, if I remember the Los Angeles Country Club, I'd probably go there every night to make contact. But I'm not and I don't think I could join there. I don't have enough. Well yeah, so a lot of those private social clubs exist partly because they do give a supply of
mates when people divorce. There they are socially organized around couplehood, so they don't let people be single for long because they don't want them mate poaching. So they're very quickly to fix other people up and get them kind of in the system. If you will, but let me tell you times have changed, Terry, and it's all about the apps. The apps are for people of all ages. Now, the fastest growing group of people on dating apps tend to be people over the age of sixty. And don't be shy.
Everybody's on there. I will tell you this. Don't lie about your age. There's research out of the Kinsey Institute that shows that when people lie at the very beginning about something, whether it's the height, the weight, the age, and all the things they do, then it's really hard to build trust because them potential dates don't trust anything if it starts out with a lie. So just be honest and be out there and be chatty, and you will meet women. Trust me, they're out there, Terry, thanks so
much for calling. Okay, let us go to social media. I've got more questions pouring in. Dear doctor, Wendy, I hooked up on the first date. It was never the tension, but it happened. How do you handle it when he doesn't answer your texts and calls? Driving myself crazy? Right now? This sounds a lot like Gina, are you in love with longing? Or it's a theme tonight, isn't it? I will say this after this segment, I have a very special guest coming up, one
of the authors of the book The Rules. They have a new book out, those two women who wrote that famous book The Rules, about how to behave early on in a relationship. And I will tell you this. Hooking up on a first date doesn't help. And I know you said it wasn't
the intention, and it just happened. Nothing just happens. What happened is you either drank too much alcohol or you were overwhelmed with neurohormones of attraction and lust and you went for it not thinking about You can't use short term strategies to play a long term game. So how do you take care of your feelings right now? You surround yourself with people who love you just for you, your friends, your family. You remind yourself that you are lovable.
This was a big learning lesson and time to move on, all right, Producer, Kayla, who do we have on the phone. We have mister Smith with mister Smith. I'm mister Smith. It's doctor Wendy. Yes, fam, thank you. I was just saying it. I've been married for twenty eight years after a passionate evening with my loved one my wife. I was telling her how great she was and how I really appreciate the gifts she gave me, and she all of a sudden said, my boyfriend of years
ago. I didn't think so. And I was trying to figure well, what did she just say? What like, her boyfriend didn't agree that you had she'd given you nice gifts, that she was a good gift. Oh, that she was a good gift. So this was a boyfriend before you were married. Yes, and she's remembering it from thirty years ago. Yes. Wow, So what is that? What is that saying about us? Well, basically, so I want to be clear. So you told her you are such a gift to me, and she said, well, my
boyfriend before you didn't think that, did I understand that correctly? That was her name, right, But that was her saying I don't believe you because I don't love myself. I'm reminded every day of people who rejected me. It translated, it just means you can love me all you want, but I don't love myself enough to be able to accept that love. Now that doesn't mean your relationship is in the tubes or anything, but that's the basic translation. You know, you hear from time to time when people say,
unless you love yourself, you really can't love anybody else. And some people will argue with that because I don't think they understand what it means. But if you don't like yourself, if you don't have enough self esteem to handle the bumps and the shame and the embarrassment that happens in a very intimate relationship, then it will be very hard to believe that someone loves you back, very difficult to believe that. And here, for twenty eight years she may
have harbored these feelings. I think it would be a great opportunity, mister Smith, to open up the conversation about why does this still stay with you? Why do you have a hard time believing it about me? What's going on with you? Because it's about her, it's not about you. But you can always grow and learn more things about each other. All right, Heading off to social media one more time. Dear doctor Wendy, what do you think of a man who just met started saying, depending on your behavior?
I asked, what do you mean? He says, well, if things go well, depending on your behavior. I thought this was disrespectful. The fact was this was our first encounter. Is this behavior okay? No, this behavior's absolutely not okay. If somebody says to you from the very beginning, I'm testing you and until you behave the way I want you to behave, don't think you've got me. Don't think you can trust me. I mean, this is a very mistrustful person. This is a person who's
trying to shape your behavior, who's trying to control you. And by the way, what is this, you know, mystery behavior that he wants you to do. Is he giving you a whole list of you're supposed to be his robot girlfriend? Dump him, block him, get rid of him. Definitely. Okay. One more quick question before we go to break high, Doctor Wendy, dating today is so hard. When the bill comes, do you reach for it? Do you just wait for him? Do you offer
to split it? Listen, you are going to hear in my next segment from the author of the rules, and I will tell you that she will say, don't reach for your wallet. A man must think he's getting the prize. And if a woman gives in and pays early on, it doesn't matter if you make four times as much he does. It's a dance that's going on in the early stages of courtship, and you have to keep your pretty little manicure off your wallet. You'll have to sit there and put your
lip gloss on and let him get that check. Don't touch it? Are you kidding? If you touch it, you've just said to him. Please like me, please, please? Is I don't really value myself very much? Please like me. I'll even contribute to half the checks. Please like me. A woman who knows her worth sits back and says, that was a delicious meal. Thank you. That's all you need to say. All right, all right, when we come back, I have the author of
the rules. You are listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on kaf I Am six forty. We're live every on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from kf I am sixty. I told you I had a special guest coming on the show, and I am thrilled to be able to introduce you to Sherry Schneider. Now you're saying, now, who is Sherry Schneider? I know I know that name. How do I know
that name? Do you know? How you know that name her. With her partner Ellen Fine, wrote probably one of the most famous books in the dating space in the nineties called The Rules, Remember the Rules? Welcome Sherry, how are you God? Thanks Flendy, I'm so happy to have you
on the show. Finally, because that book was my bible. In the mid nineties, I was a young news anchor in Los Angeles and dating so many commitment phobic guys, and your book inspired me so much that a few years later I wrote a book called The Boyfriend Test, How do we evaluate his potential before you lose your heart? And it was very specific, like here's what should happen on the first date, or here's what should happen by thirty days, and here's the ninety day probation period. It was very very
specific. But you inspired me because let's talk about what The Rules really was? And is it is a book about boundaries, isn't it? Definitely? Back in the nineties, before we wrote the book, we noticed that girls were just doing whatever they felt like. And that's, you know, great for feminism. You know, getting the job and the career and the condo and whatever else you want. You could chase stuff, but if you were
dating, it didn't work with dating to be aggressive and so available. So we noticed that women were getting hurt or dumped or not married because they were either making the first move or suggesting things we're moving in, or sleeping with the guy too soon, or traveling to him. And we said, no, it just does not work in dating because biologically men and women are different. Men love to pursue, and they get bored when a girl pursues.
Themmers to the apple, right, But everybody wants everybody wants a mate that they can value, that they have to work for a little bit, right, And so many women don't understand that they're the prize sperm chases egg, not the reverse at the basic biological level. So tell me some of the highlights from the Rules. At the time in the nineties when feminism was really exploding, you guys, you know, got a lot of criticism because some people said, well, wait a sect, didn't we evolve past this.
Let's go over some of the basic rules from the book. The Rules, Well, the first one is to not make the first move, so don't call, and today it's don't text, don't frond him on Facebook, don't message him first on any dating app, because that's the biggest mistake you can make, because you'll start a relationship that wasn't meant to be, because you may not be his looker's type, and you'll be chasing him, will be
suggest seeing things throughout the relationship, and you won't feel secure or desired, and it will just be a disaster exactly. Don't make that first move no matter what. Although one of the things I said in my book is you shouldn't reach out to a guy, but it's okay to issue the invitation to him. And that's that subtle art of female flirting, the hair flip, the look at him and then glance away, just to let him know that there's an invitation waiting if he wants to make the first move. But you
don't do it right, right, okay. And what's another rule. We don't pay. We don't travel to the guy. Like you're on the West coast, there might be interesting restaurants near him. Women think, oh, I'll go to his eric because I'm going to get interesting rest We're not interested interest in west shots. We're interested in courtship. So they traveled to you,
even if you live like in a boring town. I I love this It's amazing what women will do. They'll meet guys on a dating app because they think love is about luck instead of strategy, and they will jump on planes and trains and automobiles thinking that the shiny penny lives in another zip code, so they will head up there, and it is just the wrong thing to do. Again, you're making it so easy for him that he's going to lose interest. So I love that rule. We don't pay, we
don't travel to you. And and of course you don't have to say it like that. You don't have to say it firmly, right. You can be sweet and say, oh no, why don't you come visit me, you know, and just leave it okay? Those those are good ones. And what's the third rule? We don't initiate exclusivity talk. A lot of women, you know, especially after they sleep with the guy, will say, now that we've buck together, what are we They will, you know,
talk about the status of the relationship that posted on Facebook. We don't do any of that. They have to suggest exclusivity. They have to say stop dating. I'm going to stop dating other people. I want you to stop. Because if it's not his idea, it's not going to walk. So here's something that we might differ a little bit in our idea on that.
I do think that this is how women get into a lot of situation ships where they're seeing a guy regularly, they're sleeping with him regularly, and he's seeing other people and he doesn't need to have exclusivity because you haven't asked for it. I actually suggest to women that you ask for exclusivity before you even have sex. And what I mean by this is you don't have sex
too early. And I know you agree with me on that you build trust first, and when it comes around you say something like listen, you know, for health reasons, we don't have to post on Facebook who we are. We don't have to tell our friends or family. But if you're having sex with me, I'd like to know I'm the only person you're having sex with while we're getting to know each other. And that has worked for many
women to lay it out because this situation. I mean, what do you say to a woman who's stuck in a situation ship if you're not sure that he wants to be exclusive and don't sleep with him. We're saying that it has to be his idea because what men are doing is sleeping with you and then saying yeah, yeah, we're exclusive. That they don't really mean it, right, You can't coerce the man into being exclusive. They should bring it up. If he doesn't bring it up within a couple of months,
then that he doesn't feel that way. We're just move on. And that's another really important piece. There are so many women that will hang on to a piece of a guy because they're so afraid of abandonment or that he'll leave them if they exert a boundary or what have you. But you talk about clearly letting him go. They're more fish in the sea right right, And we have barometers. I mean, if he's skipping weeks, then he's seeing someone else. If he's asking you to split the check, he doesn't really
like you. It's not about the money. He just doesn't think of you in that romantic way. If he skips your birthday, Balshein's Day, holidays, he's gone into you. So there are checklists and signs way before right, you see, before you know, you realize that it's not appens with him. Rather than trying to to be observed and on dates, instead of telling people, instead of telling a man I like to be courted, or I want you to do this, or I want you to open the door.
We don't tell men what to do. We just observe their behavior and then we can make a decisions. We watch them and make the decision. And the hardest part for women is making that decision because they think, well, I just need to be cuter or hotter, and then he'll change or then he'll see that I'm the nice, fun girl. That's no problem. No, this never works. He has to think you're the hottest thing in the world and he has to pursue you because you can't change him, and
you have to be willing to walk away. That is the most important thing. When we come back, one of the authors of The Rules, Sherry Schneider, is going to talk to us about a new book just out this week, The Rules Handbooks. Stay with us, Sherry. You're listening to doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from my guest is author Sherry Schneider, the famous
co author of the book The Rules. She has built an empire out of teaching young women how to negotiate commitment and how to deal in the world of love, including coaching workshops, that help people establish their own self esteem, have boundaries, and understand their own life philosophies. And now this week she is giving us the Rules Handbook. Sherry Schneider, take it away. What's
the Rules Handbook? Well, many of the women that are dating outs were like babies when the first book came out when seven years ago, so they don't even know that you're not supposed to reach out to a guy first, or pay or travel or go on vacation with him for a week, you know, other than your honeymoon. They don't even know. So this is like mind boggling new information for them. And then for other women who do know the rules, they forgot it, they skipped you know, they did
it for a while and then they stop. They need a refresher. But it's also to address some of the issues like people say, oh, is in this games? You know, I'm not busy and I'm turning him down for tonight. For the reason you're turning him down for tonight even though you have nothing else going on, is because if he asks you last minute and you say yes, you're setting a precedent for last minute dates and for him not to value you what a man values you, they ask you out in
advance. I mean it sounds in playing. It sounds old fashioned to say you gotta play hard to get, but you do. You do because men want what they can have or what they think is, you know, unavailable. You know, they want the popular girl. They want the girl who isn't just sitting around waiting for them and available in a moment's notice. What's going on today is crazy. Guys are like texting girls at ten pm what's up? Can I come over? Or can you come over? And they
go. They just feel like it's an offer and they're going to take it. So there's low self esteem, there's lack of boundaries, a lack of confidence. And we have horses and we do consultations with women to help them figure out where they're going wrong or how did you meet? Did you speak to him first? A lot of women have vagueness around dating. You know, they'll count calories, they'll count their steps, but they have no idea who spoke to you first? How long the calls are. The calls should
be ten minutes. Calls are just to get a date. They're not so like stay on the phone for seven hours. Oh yes, I've known people that have done that. They meet on an app and they have a three hour phone call. I'm like, what are you doing night where they sleep with the phone. They go to sleep separately on the phone together and wake up on the phone. It's yeah, insanity. So the Rules Handbook address
is this whole issue. This is not a game. This is self preservation and it's life and death because you know, your love life is the most important thing in your life, you know, other than work and family and friends you want you know, well, we work. We work so we can get a mate, so we can improve our status and have more money so we could get a higher status mate. Work is just an ancillary thing to human mating strategy to create families. If we are put on this planet
to reproduce, and our job is to find the most fittest mate. And when I say fittest, not necessarily just physically fit, but economically fit, intellectually fit, so that we can produce healthy families. And what's happened is since the onset of the birth control pill, women have and own their own orgasm. They have their sexual freedom, but they forget that biology hasn't changed.
They have a fertility window that men just don't have And you tell women about this in the rules handbook, don't you Yes, but you have no time to waste. So if you're a relationship for a year and he's not talking about the future marriage ring, then you have to say, after nine months or so, I've enjoyed these nine months, but I was a woman where this is going. And if he says he doesn't know, that means no. Right. What women do is they stay with a guy who doesn't
know for five years. If you guys know right away, they know in the first day, the first week, they know you're either their look, they're type, they're you know, they like your personality, or they don't you know. If the guy doesn't know after nine months, you just say nice, you know, nice knowing you, I'm going to move on and if you know, and if you want to propose, just call me when you're ready to propose. But I'm not going to date you while you're figuring
out. That's such good advice. It is about being your higher self. Your higher self is not desperate, it's not clingy, is not taking crumbs. You know. Your lower self just wants, you know, what's good for now. So they're talking long term, you know, happiness. I had a TikTok video that I made that went viral where I basically said, guys, put your comments below if you agree with this. On every first date, what's going on in the mind of the man is am I meeting
my wife tonight? Or am I going to get to have sex? And that's how they think. And the man are were like, I like six hundred thousand men going yep, pretty much, that's it. They literally when they go on a first date, they're putting women into one of two categories from the get go. And what do you say, I get this a lot. What do you say to people when they say, well, oh it's different today. Times have changed, right, Well, it's just new
technology. But like you said, biology has not changed many women men with the huns, women like security. You know, men like you know to bungee jump and fast cart women. I don't know any women about wife. I know guys that talking about sports for seven hours. I know women that can talk about a relationship. They can talk about one date for seven hours. So we are different, and we tell women what's changed in social media
so there are more ways to break rules. You can text him, message him, you know, follow him on Instagram, all kinds of you know, oversharing, and we say, don't be an open book, don't reach out first. You know, if you haven't heard from a guy, don't say, you know, how are you? What's going on? I thought we had a connection. Don't prolong the misery. If the guys skipping weeks, don't ask them what's going on, it means no. Right. Not hearing from him means now. I once heard a woman say I have not
heard from him in two weeks. I'm going to call him and break up with him. I'm like, you've already broke You've been broken up with him. It's already broken up with you exactly. You know, I teach, I think you're very brave and wonderful to be telling the truth because I teach developmental psychology, and I have one little section on sex brain differences, literally
the biological differences between males and females. I also want to remind everybody out there with all the gender on a scale and gender diversity, that one percent, that's one out of one hundred people are intersects, and also that gender is a bit of a scale. In other words, not every male is a super masculine alpha male. It's okay to be a feminine man, it's okay to be a masculine woman. However, when it comes to human mating,
there certain kinds of mechanisms that go into play. And Sherry, you ladies of the Rules figured it out a long time ago and let the world know. Where can they get a copy of the Rules Handbook. It's on Amazon today and it also addressed much just dating and marriage, but rules for everyone. So, like you said, you made in a same sex relationship, or you may be hurt by your friend or sister or your book, you're a dull child. You need to pull back in whatever situation you're in.
If you're the most sensitive one, the one that gets more easily hurt, you're the one that needs to do the rules. That's great, a wonderful book about boundaries for everybody. Thank you so much for being with us, Sherry, it's a pleasure to find Take care and you can pick up a copy of the Rules Handbook anywhere. This brings the Doctor Wendy Walls Show to a close. It's always my pleasure to be with you every Sunday night from seven to nine pm. You're welcome to follow me on social media at
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