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Understanding Economic Stimulus

Nov 13, 202421 minSeason 15Ep. 345
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China is taking action to boost its slowing economy with different types of economic support. By lowering interest rates, making it easier to borrow money, and helping local governments buy unsold real estate, China hopes to increase growth. 

Skip Montreux and Dez Morgan talk about how the Chinese government is using economic stimulus to improve its economy. The People’s Bank of China (PBOC) recently took steps to encourage more borrowing and spending, including lowering interest rates and loosening rules for bank lending. Another important step allows local governments to sell bonds to help fund the purchase of unsold real estate, which indirectly supports property developers.

Their conversation is a great learning resource if you want to build your English listening comprehension skills and expand your business vocabulary. Key points of their discussion include:

  1. Governments can boost economic growth by cutting taxes, spending on public projects, and lowering interest rates.
  2. In the 1930s, the U.S. government’s New Deal used public spending to help lift the country out of the Great Depression.
  3. China’s central bank recently lowered interest rates and made it easier for banks to lend money, hoping to encourage more property purchases and investments.
  4. Local governments in China are now able to sell bonds to buy unsold real estate from developers, with possible support from the central bank.


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Announcer

From Tokyo, Japan and Changsha, China – this is Down to Business English. With your hosts Skip Montreux and Dez Morgan.

Skip

Hello Dez. Good to be back with you. How are things going?

Dez

Things are going pretty well, Skip. I’m just back from a quick holiday in Vietnam.

Skip

Oh, you took a holiday. I wasn’t aware of that.

Dez

Well, I did. As Changsha is in southern China, Vietnam is just a very short three hour flight away.

Skip

You went to Vietnam. Very nice.

Dez

You know, if I’d had more time I could have gone by train, which would have been interesting, but I didn’t really have the time.

Skip

Hmm. How long were you gone for?

Dez

I was away just for a week. And I went to Ho Chi Minh, er, a small town called Hoi An and then up to the northern capital, Hanoi.

Skip

So, does this mean you are going to be giving us a report on Vietnam and its economy today?

Dez

As a matter of fact, that was what I was planning on doing but I’m going to do that later now, not today.

Skip

No? So what are you going to be reporting on?

Dez

Well, there’s been a lot going on in China in my absence, and it would be remiss of me not to cover that first here on D2B.

Skip

Well, with a country as big as China there is always a lot going on.

Dez

Ha, very true.

Skip

So, which news headline out of China are we focusing on today?

Dez

Economic stimulus in China is the order of the day, or maybe I should say order of the month.

Skip

Economic stimulus. You often hear on the news that governments are intervening in markets to stimulate economic growth, but a lot of people don’t really know what that actually means, or how it works.

Dez

Then my report today might be of interest to them. First I am going to cover economic stimulus in general and then focus on how the Chinese government is promoting growth and intervening in markets today.

Skip

Sounds great.

Dez

So let’s do it, let's get D2B … Down to Business with Understanding Economic Stimulus. What is it? How does it work? And how is it being applied in China today?

Skip

So Dez, let’s start off with the first of those three questions. What is economic stimulus?

Dez

Simply put, economic stimulus is when a government spends money in some way, or takes some type of financial measure that encourages economic growth.

Skip

And what do you mean by some type of financial measure? Isn’t that just a fancy way of saying ‘spend money’?

Dez

Not necessarily. Instead of spending money, or even worse borrowing money, to pump into the economy, a government could instead cut taxes. Let’s say a government cuts personal or business taxes, what do you think would happen next?

Skip

Mmm. The government would have less revenue, obviously.

Dez

Yes, but don’t look at it from the government’s point of view. Look at it from the taxpayer’s perspective.

Skip

Okay. Well, fom the taxpayer’s angle, people and businesses would have more money in their pockets to spend.

Dez

Which would stimulate the economy — and that’s the idea.

Skip

Okay, got it. Reducing taxes is one type of economic stimulus.

Dez

Similarly a government could start spending on infrastructure projects. This type of public spending provides employment, which in turn puts money into people’s pockets, and again promotes economic activity.

Skip

Isn’t that what President Franklin Roosevelt did in the 1930s in the US to combat the Great Depression?

Dez

Well spotted, Skip. As part of his New Deal as it was called, Roosevelt poured $6 billion into the PWA, or Public Works Administration between 1933 and 1939. With that money they built dams, roads, hospitals, and schools. It was risky but it worked and the US was able to climb out of the depression.

Skip

And that was $6 billion in the 1930s, how much is that today?

Dez

Around $113 billion, if we took an average inflation rate of 3.8%.

Skip

Really? Is that all it took to get out of the Great Depression?! $113 billion? It doesn’t seem like that much compared to the figures you hear governments shelling out these days on programs.

Dez

Well keep in mind though Skip, that $6 billion was just for the PWA. There was more to the New Deal than just that. The entire bill amounted to around $42 billion, which is equivalent to just over $790 billion today.

Skip

Okay, well that makes more sense.

Dez

So those are two examples of fiscal stimulus — tax cuts and public spending. But neither of those is a quick fix. They both take time to filter through to the economy and translate into measurable growth.

Skip

So what can a government do if it wants faster results?

Dez

Ah. Now we enter the world of monetary stimulus. The most common way for a central bank to instigate monetary stimulus is to lower interest rates.

Skip

And why is that a faster way to stimulate the economy?

Dez

The less it costs to borrow money the more likely people are to buy new homes, a new car, or any other big ticket item.

Skip

Which promotes almost instant economic growth.

Dez

Exactly. And yet another action governments or central banks often take is to ease lending requirements on major banks.

Skip

And how is that accomplished?

Dez

Well, governments regulate how much capital a bank is required to hold against how much they are allowed to lend to customers. They simply lower the requirement, and banks are free to lend out more money.

Skip

It sounds so simple.

Dez

It is very simple but it’s also very risky as banks now have less assets to fall back on if they need them.

Skip

So, is this what is happening in China? Has the government lowered interest rates and eased lending requirements?

Dez

It sure has. On September 24th The People’s Bank of China, or PBOC, lowered both short term interest rates as well as the rates on existing mortgages. Interestingly though, the one year loan prime rate remains unchanged at 3.35%.

Skip

With major economies around the world cutting their prime interest rates that is a little surprising.

Dez

It could well be that the Chinese central bank is holding that in reserve if it’s needed at a later date.

Skip

And what about lending requirements? Did they make it easier for banks to lend money?

Dez

Those were eased as well. Banks are now allowed to hold less liquid assets compared to the amount they’re allowed to lend. And the minimum down payment requirements on property purchases were also lowered.

Skip

All in an attempt to get people to take out loans and buy property — stimulating the economy.

Dez

Precisely.

Skip

As these new regulations have only been in place for just over a month, it’s probably too early to say if they have been successful or not.

Dez

It is a bit early, that's true. But, another related policy shift from the People’s Bank of China, or PBOC, is it’s now allowing local governments to issue special bonds to finance the purchase of vacant land and unsold inventory from property developers.

Skip

Do local governments actually want to buy property and unsold apartments from developers?

Dez

Ah, well that is as yet unclear. Although I strongly suspect that they will be encouraged from the powers above to do so.

Skip

The powers above?

Dez

The Chinese government.

Skip

Ah, I see. And who would likely be buying these bonds issued by the local governments?

Dez

Nobody knows for sure but my guess would be that the PBOC will buy them either directly or indirectly. Which means this is really just a form of indirect quantitative easing — through the backdoor.

Skip

Quantitative easing? Like when a government or central bank purchases financial assets to increase liquidity in the economy.

Dez

That’s right. More liquidity is just a fancy way to say more money is available for spending. If banks or other institutions have too much money tied up in non-performing assets, there isn’t enough money, or enough liquidity, to keep the economy moving.

Skip

So when you say all of this is just quantitative easing through the backdoor, what you are saying is the PBOC is buying bonds issued by local governments to buy up excess real estate, which is an indirect way of buying the property itself.

Dez

That’s exactly it. And the stock market has so far reacted favorably to all of these measures with the biggest rally in Chinese stocks in the last two years. Some beaten down real estate stocks rallied 7% in a single day.

Skip

So this is all good, right?

Dez

Ah, so far yes. In addition to their focus on real estate stocks the PBOC has also been encouraging state run funds to purchase technology stocks like Alibaba and Baidu.

Skip

More indirect quantitative easing?

Dez

Uh, no. This is more direct because in this case as state run funds are spending state money to intervene in the stock market.

Skip

Mm. Okay, got it. The bottom line though is that tech stocks have also been rallying.

Dez

Oh, that they have, which has led some investors to take a hard look at Chinese technology stocks as their valuations are relatively lower than their US counterparts. However, and this is a big however, the rally so far has been stimulus driven.

Skip

So you are saying the danger is when the government stimulus stops stocks will stop rising.

Dez

That is indeed the worry with any market move that has been driven by outside forces.

Skip

The question is whether stocks can continue to rise without government support.

Dez

That is the question and that is way beyond my pay grade to answer.

Skip

Okay well, with that question left unanswered, I think it is time for us to get D2V … Down to Vocabulary. I will start D2V today with the adjective remiss. When someone is remiss of something, they are not giving enough care or attention to it.

Dez

We need to point out that ‘remiss’ does not come before a noun the same way adjectives usually do.

Skip

No, it doesn’t. Remiss is used in a few different grammar patterns. For example, “He was remiss in his duties”. Or “I would be remiss missing the deadline”.

Dez

Often it’s used in a conditional structure with ‘It would be ...’ to politely introduce something that should not be forgotten.

Skip

And that is how it was used in today’s report. In the introduction, when I asked Dez if he would be reporting on Vietnam as he had just returned from a holiday there, he answered that he wouldn’t. Instead he would be reporting on a topic out of China, because it would be remiss of him to ignore the business news currently unfolding in that country.

Dez

In other words, as I live in China and I’m responsible for covering Chinese business news for D2B, I would not be giving enough care or attention to my responsibility if I didn’t report on a Chinese market intervention because it’s a pretty big story here.

Skip

Especially since the topic relates to the Evergrande real estate crisis that you reported on in D2B 288.

Dez

Yes, it certainly would have been remiss of me not to keep our listeners updated on that story.

Skip

Can you give us another example using ‘remiss’?

Dez

Sure. It would be remiss of a financial advisor to not tell their client that they personally own any of the investments they’re recommending.

Skip

Yes, it sure would be careless of them not to mention that they could personally benefit from their client’s investment. It is a conflict of interest.

Dez

It’s either a conflict of interest or is downright criminal.

Skip

Okay. What is our next word?

Dez

Moving on, our next word is the verb instigate. The basic meaning of instigate is to cause something to happen or to begin.

Skip

‘Instigate’ often implies that the action is deliberate or well thought out and that it starts a chain of events that lead to a desired or wanted result.

Dez

In today’s story, I reported that lowering interest rates is the most common way to instigate monetary stimulus.

Skip

Dez was telling us that lowering interest rates starts a chain of events that leads to a more active, healthier economy.

Dez

Can you give us another example using instigate, Skip

Skip

Mm. My favorite convenience store here in Japan is 7-11.

Dez

I love Japanese convenience stores. My go to convenience store when I lived in Japan was Family Mart. But hey, 7-11 is pretty good too.

Skip

Well, a big business news story happening at the moment is a French Canadian rival, Alimentation Couche Tard or just ACT, has instigated a hostile takeover of Seven & i, the parent company of 7-11 Japan.

Dez

Is that right? Will it go through?

Skip

It is hard to tell. ACT’s first proposal was rejected, but they are now in the process of trying again.

Dez

It will sure be interesting to see where that story ends up. Next up we have the term big ticket item or big ticket purchase. Big ticket items are major purchases, such as a house or a car.

Skip

A purchase that requires a significant financial commitment like a car loan or home mortgage.

Dez

In the story, again talking about the impact of lowering interest rates, I said that, “The less it costs to borrow money the more likely it is for people to buy new homes, a new car, or any other big ticket item.”

Skip

In terms of retail purchases, big ticket items are major appliances or electronic items. Like a fancy refrigerator or a wide screen TV. Dez, have you bought any big ticket items recently?

Dez

I can’t say that I have to be honest. Mm, you?

Skip

Mm. I’m afraid not. Neither of us are doing our part to help with economic growth.

Dez

Nope, I guess not. Although I do need to buy a new laptop soon as my current one is getting pretty old.

Skip

A new laptop? That’ll be fun. Our final item for D2V today is the idiom beyond my pay grade. This idiom is used to show that the person is not senior enough to give an answer or to make a decision.

Dez

In my report, I said that answering the question of whether the stock market rally will continue was above my pay grade. I was indicating that I don’t have the experience or expertise to give a proper opinion.

Skip

Can you give us a practical example in a business setting?

Dez

Sure. Let’s say that you notice that too many employees in your department have all requested leave in a particular week.

Skip

Everyone wants to take the same days off. Not good for the company.

Dez

It isn’t. So, you point this out to a colleague and ask them how they think it should be handled. They might tell you to ask HR because a decision like that was above their pay grade, indicating that someone more senior would have to make that decision.

Skip

Great example!

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Dez

And that is our report on Understanding Economic Stimulus. We hope everyone found it informative.

Skip

I certainly learned a few things. It’s not an easy topic, but you explained everything in a very clear way that I could understand, Dez.

Dez

Well, I would be remiss if I didn’t.

Skip

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Dez

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Skip

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Dez

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Skip

Thanks for listening everyone. See you next time.

Dez

Bye bye.

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